graziewant do you see?12:25
syamajalait mounted the cd in the finder12:26
syamajalaand shows all the dirs12:26
graziewhat machine?12:26
syamajalalike etc, install, casper, dists12:26
syamajalathe system i'm trying to install on is a powerbook g412:26
syamajalathe system i burned the cd on is a g512:26
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grazieall I can suggest is burning the image slowly on the g4 if possible. mac laptop cd/dvd roms can be awkward12:28
graziesyamajala: can you boot the cd on the g5?12:30
syamajalai didn't try12:30
grazieworth a go12:30
Jester45yep only takes a few seconds12:30
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syamajalai just noticed this12:32
syamajaladisk utility said it couldn't verify the cd12:32
syamajalai thought it was done because it ejected the disk12:32
grazieyou need a good burn12:32
syamajalai'll try reburning it at a slower speed12:33
syamajalabecause i did that one at 24x12:33
Jester45try 4 or less12:33
graziei still mine at x4 or less too12:33
grazie*stll do12:33
syamajalai got a lot of other stuff this time too12:34
syamajalavfs errors12:34
syamajalasquashfs errors12:34
graziesyamajala: it's a bad burn - throw it away12:35
syamajalathe slowest disk utility does is 8x12:35
syamajalait only gives 2 options12:35
grazieon the g4?12:35
syamajalai'll burn it on there then...12:36
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vrkhansI am trying to install xubuntu but after i hit install on the screen , it try to load and after a while i got this msg on the screen  i-e "signal out of range"  can any one help me what to do.12:40
DimensionsHiya i am installing xubuntu on my sda1 flash drive ... its asking where i should be installing grub i have tried this before on sda1 sda hd0 sdb but none worked and installing grub crashes .... what should i do ???12:41
grazievrkhans: what machine?12:42
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vrkhansi have a Hp pentium III12:43
vrkhansthe version i am using is the 6.1012:44
Jester45http://www.getright.com/seedtorrent.html <---- that could be very usefull12:44
vrkhansof xvuntu12:44
grazievrkhans: using alternate or desktop cd?12:44
vrkhansdesktop cd12:44
vrkhanswhat is alternate12:44
grazievrkhans: alternate is design for low spec machines. How much you got?12:45
grazieJester45: ?12:45
grazievrkhans: how much ram sorry :) ?12:46
vrkhansi got around 259mb and 20 gb for linux12:46
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beltzI am currently logged in on Ubuntu. I would normally want to format this drive and install Xubuntu on it instead. Is there a way to do this easier, with no drawbacks (like just removing gnome and adding xfce) or will there be an actual difference from a clean installation if I do that?12:46
vrkhansand i have 20$ ;-)12:48
beltzWhat's the easiest to move to Xubuntu and get rid of Ubuntu? I'm logged in as Ubuntu right now...12:49
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grazievrkhans: have you selected disk check from the menu after booting? Not enough dosh I'm afraid...12:49
graziebeltz: you can install xubuntu-desktop12:50
Dimensionssorry got dced ... has any one answered to my question yet ?12:50
beltzHow, and is it different from formatting my drive and installing from scratch?12:50
beltzsorry im a newbie12:50
vrkhansbut i have mandrake on my system12:50
vrkhansand its running fine12:51
vrkhansso what is the problem with xbuntu12:51
Dimensionsvrkhans: are u khan ?12:51
graziebeltz: but it's not the same as a fresh install of xubuntu..you are just adding the xubuntu packages12:51
Dimensionsda kam zay ?12:51
maxamillionbeltz: use synaptic to install it ... just search for "xubuntu-desktop" it is what's called a meta package that will install everything you need and won't erase any data you have now .... after you install it you can select "xfce" as your session from the login screen12:51
vrkhansnot the pure one :-)12:51
Dimensionslol okie dokie ..12:52
vrkhansand you12:52
grazievrkhans: just check the disk you burnt is ok12:52
Dimensionsyeah but not at home country ...12:52
beltzmaxamillion, thanks, and will my computer run as fast as if I didnt install ubuntu first12:52
vrkhansi think it is ok because i got the same problem with kubuntu12:52
beltz(thanks to grazie as well)12:52
vrkhanswhen i try to instal that12:53
vrkhansdimensions mean either12:53
maxamillionbeltz: no ... it would actually be faster if you install xubuntu fresh and erase everything because of certain libraries and such that are loaded default with standard ubuntu12:54
beltzOkay. I didnt install much yet so I dont mind formatting, so I think I'll do that now.12:54
Jester45beltz: you could write down what you did install12:55
Jester45so you get reinstall it faster12:55
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beltzThanks, I think I only installed Xchat though hehe... I only need a browser, mail client and irc :)12:56
maxamillionbeltz: Xubuntu can do that with speed and style :)12:57
oslowhere could i find the Xubuntu usplsash with Xubuntu write in silver ???12:58
beltzalright, im off to battle, cya on xubuntu soon12:58
maxamillionoslo: not sure if one has been made12:58
oslomaxamillion> yes it was12:59
osloi seen iy few month12:59
Dimensionshas any one tried installing xubuntu on usb flash drive ?01:00
maxamillionoslo: oh, awesome ... well then i wouldn't be the one to tell you where to find it01:00
maxamillionDimensions: yeah, i forget who ... someone came in here recently saying they had done it on a 1gb flash drive01:00
Dimensionsim having hard luck installing on 2GB usb drive ...01:01
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BeltzSorry again guys - I'm on Xubuntu LiveCD but I thought I had downloaded 6.10, and yet it says 6.06. Is it possible that the livecd is 6.06 but that once installed it will be 6.06? How can I verify?01:04
Dimensions6.10 is Edgy01:05
BeltzYa, it's still a stable version though, right?01:05
maxamillionBeltz: when you say "it says 6.06" do you mean the documentation that pops up in firefox?01:05
Dimensionsyeah it is ...01:05
Beltzmaxamillion:  yes01:06
BeltzSo perhaps it is 6.10? How can I double-check?01:06
maxamillionBeltz: yeah, that was just because during the 6.10 development cycle we didn't have enough man power to update the documentation for 6.10 (a problem that has been fixed and won't be an issue in the upcoming release)01:06
Jester456.10 and 6.06 are both stable, 6.10 is newer but 6.06 is LongTermSupport01:06
maxamillionBeltz: open a terminal and type "uname -r" ... if it says 2.6.17-(something) you have edgy01:07
BeltzIs longtermsupport something absolutely necessary? I thought #xubuntu was my support team :)01:07
maxamillionBeltz: long time support is more for people using xubuntu in a business environment, i run xubuntu at home and at work and its edgy all the way01:07
Jester45maxamillion: what about searching for 6.06 on all docs and if one appers change it to 6.1001:07
BeltzLooks like I am ready to go: 2.6.17-10-generic01:07
maxamillionJester45: because there were changes in 6.10 so some of the docs wouldn't be relevant01:08
BeltzOkay, it's for home so I'm gonna install edgy now, thanks a lot guys01:08
maxamillionBeltz: anytime :)01:08
BeltzOh ya - do you know if Xubuntu easily supports japanese language (for webpages and input only, not menus)01:08
maxamillionBeltz: yes01:09
maxamillionBeltz: i think its all built in to be honest01:09
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Jester45Beltz: edgy's (6.10) support time is 6 months (i think) and drapper's (6.06) is 6 years... most people in here will still help you with edgy after time is up01:09
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Beltzhaha, I just noticed the LiveCD itself supported japanese on websites, so I shouldn't have even asked01:10
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maxamillionJester45: dapper is 3 years desktop, 5 years server01:10
Jester45maxamillion: i would of helped but... i wouldnt know if its relevent01:10
Jester45maxamillion: aaa close01:10
BeltzWhat is the default root password, before my main user account modifies it?01:14
maxamillionBeltz: there isn't one01:15
maxamillionBeltz: the main user is the admin and thus the "sudo user" and can do "sudo su" to become root, but there is no root password unless you explicitely enable the root account01:16
Jester45well played01:16
Beltzsudo = do an action as another user?01:16
Jester45super user do01:17
BeltzIf I want to install something requiring root access, like drivers - I have to enable the root account and then use it?01:17
Jester45you do01:17
Jester45sudo commandhere01:17
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.01:17
maxamilliongood bot01:17
Jester45makes a temporary like root user01:18
BeltzIt doens't look hungry...01:18
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BeltzWhen you "sudo command", it does an action as superuser. Is it a good idea then to put a password on the root account so that it will prompt for a password when you try to "sudo something"?01:19
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.01:20
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BeltzIt just doesn't want a snack right now I think.01:20
Jester45no it should ask you for the password anyways01:20
BeltzShould I use ext3 or is there anything cooler and better on gparted01:20
BeltzI want to impress my friends01:21
maxamillionBeltz: something like "sudo aptitude install vim" will ask for your password because you are the administrator account and then it will perform the action with super user privilages01:21
Jester45fat16 :)01:21
maxamillionBeltz: i like ext3 ... it has been good to me01:21
h_yamahi all!sorry for the faq, but what should i modify in order to run the desktop at 1600x1200?01:21
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maxamillionh_yama: /etc/X11/xorg.conf <--that's the file01:21
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:21
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maxamillionh_yama: that link ^^^01:21
h_yamaohoki tried it but i think it didnt work,1600x1200 doesnt even show up on the list of availabledefs....01:22
maxamillionh_yama: but this is xubuntu so you won't have gedit if the link asks you to use it ...01:22
h_yamathank you01:22
maxamillionh_yama: no problem01:22
Jester45Beltz: i would use ext3 i copy a dvd iso (about 4GB) in under a minute01:22
Jester45Beltz:try that with windows01:22
h_yama:) i apt-getted gedit immediately.. thanksagain01:22
syamajalait works now01:23
syamajalabut looks ugly01:23
Jester45syamajala: whATS UGLy01:23
syamajalaactually its not that ugly its just my eyes01:23
BeltzIn "Mount Points" in the installation process, can I change the names to something less cryptic to me than "/media/hd1" for my other drivers? Or do they need those default names01:24
maxamillionh_yama: well ... you could have just used mousepad in place of gedit (they are both just text editors) but gedit will work :)01:25
maxamillionBeltz: not sure, i always leave them alone01:25
Jester45Beltz: i would just leave them you will learn that the hdb1 is very usefull01:25
Beltzoh no its formatting, better leave this chat now. Thanks again guys, bye01:26
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syamajalai'm at the partitioning part01:26
syamajalabut it doesn't see my osx partitions01:26
maxamillionsyamajala: really?01:27
maxamillionsyamajala: that's strange...01:27
maxamillionsyamajala: i might recommend partitioning with OS X's disk utility first just to be sage01:27
syamajalaright now i have 2 partitions01:28
h_yama:) thanks for the help,reboot to see if it works01:28
syamajala1 for osx and 1 for osx01:28
syamajalai wanna use the second one01:29
maxamillionsyamajala: hmmm.... i would honestly use the OS X disk utility and delete the second one and leave it as unpartitioned space and i think the xubuntu installer will just install it to the free space on the hard drive01:31
graziesyamajala: you just need to set mounts01:33
graziemaxamillion: can do that what os x disk tool :( Wipe only!01:33
maxamilliongrazie: wow ... that's horribly stupid of Apple01:34
maxamillionwell ... not stupid, just annoying01:34
grazieah but there's very expensive extra tools you can buy!01:34
graziemaxamillion: i think even hardened os x fans use linux live disks quite frequently now01:36
Jester45they are very nice01:37
maxamilliongrazie: yeah, i do too01:37
graziedon't we all?01:37
Jester45i would say ubuntu has the best becuase of ShipIt01:37
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Prisoner_good evening all01:38
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Jester45if you have only one computer and its crashed a little free mailed live cd can fix it all01:38
maxamillionPrisoner_: hi01:38
Prisoner_Got Xubuntu 6.10 installed on my main PC now01:39
Jester45thats good01:39
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Prisoner_it amazed me it only took around 45 minutes or so to install01:40
maxamillionPrisoner_: you on older hardware? ... my home machine can do it in about 10-15 minutes and my work machine in 5-10 minutes01:41
Prisoner_it's a 1.583ghz AMD Semprron with 512MB RAM01:41
Prisoner_I was setting up a dual boot01:41
maxamillionPrisoner_: ahhh, ok ... fair enough01:41
Prisoner_It may have been around 30 minutes or so01:42
Jester45got you beat on ram by far01:42
Prisoner_now I need to put some apps on it, like a good media player, a good CD/DVD writing program01:42
Jester45growisofs :001:42
Prisoner_already downloaded OpenOFfice01:42
Jester45and mplayer01:43
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Rob-Westhow much space does Xubuntu need01:43
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Jester452gb or a little less01:43
maxamillionRob-West: full install with extra space for things, i say 5gb to be safe01:43
Rob-Westwill it work on a 1 gig pendrive01:43
maxamillionRob-West: i have heard of it working, yes01:44
Prisoner_someone earlier recommended vlc to me01:44
maxamillionRob-West: but i wouldn't be able to tell you how ... i think you would have to use the alternate image and so some trickery01:44
maxamillionPrisoner_: very good application01:44
Prisoner_on another PC, I experimented with K3B running under Xubuntu01:44
Jester45Rob-West: i would say you would have to slim it down a lot01:44
Prisoner_vlx looks  like it can play anything01:44
Prisoner_I tried to play a DVD using gxine and it locked up01:45
Jester45Prisoner_: mplayer plays more01:45
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Prisoner_I'm also wondering if I need to do anything with my nVidia video card01:45
bigfuzzyjesusanyone here used dsl01:45
maxamillionPrisoner_: yeah ... gxine is good, but it needs alot of extras installed to get its full potential, vlc just works01:45
Jester45  bigfuzzyjesus i have01:45
maxamillionbigfuzzyjesus: yeah ... since it was at version 0.1.301:45
Prisoner_I'll try VLC first, then perhaps Mplayer01:45
Jester45bigfuzzyjesus: i used it a few days ago01:45
bigfuzzyjesusmaxamillion, so you use it daily01:46
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Jester45Prisoner_: dont get put away by the mplayer gui i prefer the cli all you have to do is mplayer filehere01:46
maxamillionbigfuzzyjesus: no, just on occasion ... i used to burn it to business card cds so i could carry it in my pocket, but now i just use it on a usb pen drive01:47
bigfuzzyjesusJester45, how often do you use it01:47
bigfuzzyjesusmaxamillion, yeah01:48
Jester45bigfuzzyjesus: ummm.. once a week01:48
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beltzThis is ridiculous. One of my main reasons for never trying Linux before was that I thought the installation would be complicated. Windows XP takes me 45+ minutes to install. Xubuntu took me 10 (just enough time to water my plants haha)01:49
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto01:49
Prisoner_what do you recommend for CD/DVD burning software?  I have some MPEG 4 PAL videos I want to burn to DVD01:49
Jester45thats what many people think01:49
Prisoner_I ran the Xubuntu update feature and it had alot of updates to download01:49
Jester45Prisoner_: yep thats a good think01:50
maxamillionbeltz: :)01:50
maxamillionbeltz: linux used to be a much larger ordeal than it is today01:50
beltzDo you actually recommend staying with default xubuntu display drivers, rather than using the NVidia ones? Besides the fact that they aren't open source, any reason not to use them (are the default ones good?)01:50
Prisoner_I have the same question as I'm running a Geforce 550001:50
Jester45Prisoner_:  http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/205821901:50
maxamillionbeltz: i use the nvidia-glx drivers .... i prefer them, i don't care that they aren't open source ... they make things run more smoothly01:51
bigfuzzyjesusPrisoner_, i use the same card, i like having it with the drivers, i dont konw why but i do01:51
bigfuzzyjesusmaxamillion, same here01:51
Prisoner_thanks for the link01:51
Jester45you can us them but they are slow it takes more cpu to play games and movies than with the binary drivers01:51
Jester45Prisoner_: i got a script that will convert files for you01:52
grazieopen source graphic card drivers just don't support 3d...yet!01:52
Prisoner_I'm using the drivers that come with Xubuntu.  Haven't decided if I'm going to change them yet01:53
Jester45Prisoner_: http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/MencoderDVDmaker.sh01:53
Jester45it isnt completely done yet01:54
maxamillionbeltz: you used the bot!!!! :) .... ::high five::01:54
Jester45it doesnt author the dvd but its allmost done01:54
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about beltzsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:54
Jester45!botsnake | maxamillion01:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about botsnake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:55
Jester45a darn01:55
Jester45!botsnack | maxamillion01:55
ubotumaxamillion: please see above01:55
syamajalahad to eat dinner01:56
maxamillionannnnnnnddddd..... i'm off work, ttyl01:56
beltzHow do I automatically launch uh... "linux update" hehe01:57
beltzWhen I installed Ubuntu it ran automatically, but it hasn't ran yet on Xubuntu. I take it I have to click something...01:57
syamajalagrazie: i'm a little confused about what i need to do01:58
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Jester45hey cellofellow !!!!!!01:58
Jester45guess what01:58
cellofellowhey there.01:58
Jester45i figured out how to make the little icon work on firefox01:59
Jester45the icon next to the url01:59
cellofellowGuess what01:59
cellofellowE16 does NOT make a good replacement for XFWM4.01:59
Jester45i could of told you that02:00
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syamajalacellofellow: metacity is ok though02:00
syamajalathe themes look better02:00
cellofellowI had to try. XFCE with E16. I thought it would work great. E16 on its own is well sort of lame.02:00
syamajalai tried kdesktop once02:00
graziesyamajala: in terminal do the following...you need to replace by dummy value in the with real ones02:01
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Jester45this is an example <link rel="shortcut icon" href="linkto/your/icon/here/please.png" TYPE="image/png">02:01
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Prisoner_trying to play a DVD in VLC02:01
Jester45you put that under the <title>02:01
cellofellowJester45: yeah, cool huh.02:01
graziesyamajala: mkdir /media/osx02:01
cellofellowPrisoner_: works great here. VLC is my prefered DVD player.02:02
Prisoner_not getting anywhere02:02
graziesyamajala: sudo mount /dev/hda? /mnt/osx02:02
Jester45i like mplayer02:03
graziesyamajala: if you want to mount os x drive(s) on every boot you need to edit /etc/fstab02:03
posingaspopularPrisoner_: whats the issue?02:03
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graziesyamajala: there's lots of examples in the ubuntu ppc forum02:04
Prisoner_don't know02:04
Prisoner_I put the disk in either drive and it mounts and shows up on the desktop02:04
cellofellowJester45: mplayer doesn't do menus. :(02:04
graziePrisoner_: have you install libdvdcss yet?02:04
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cellofellowPrisoner_: don't mount02:04
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Prisoner_I unmounted it02:05
Jester45cellofellow: thats what y ou think02:05
cellofellowPrisoner_: open VLC, and File > Open DIsc02:05
cellofellowJester45: what's it take to get mplayer to play menus?02:06
beltzI'm in thunar and I want to see my other harddrivers and partitions... but they don't show up. Help102:06
cellofellowadd them to /etc/fstab02:07
beltzOh nevermind02:07
beltzits in Filesystem/media or something02:07
syamajalagrazie: but gparted still shows 1 big empty partition in the installer02:07
syamajalamy osx partition is /dev/hda302:08
graziesyamajala: you're on the live cd?02:08
Prisoner_still nothing02:08
graziePrisoner_: have you installed libdvdcss yet?02:08
Prisoner_I don't think so02:08
cellofellowPrisoner_: I think you need libdvdread and libdvdcss. Get libdvdcss form Seveas or Medibuntu02:09
cellofellowone sec...02:09
graziePrisoner_: can't play dvds without it!02:09
cellofellowCAN play unnencrypted dvds without libdvdcss, but can't play any without libdvdread02:09
Prisoner_have libdvdread02:10
graziesyamajala: sorry02:10
syamajalacfdisk also says my partition table is empty02:10
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cellofellowPrisoner_: ^^^ for libdvdcss and w32codecs. Skype and Google Earth too.02:11
Prisoner_dependency hell, something I'm going to hate about Linux02:12
cellofellowsyamajala: something went wrong and you should just format I think.02:12
graziesyamajala: I don't understand. Can you boot your installed xubuntu?02:12
cellofellowPrisoner_: naaaah. It's proprietary codecs and DRM hell.02:12
syamajalagrazie: i haven't installed it yet02:12
syamajalai booted the fresh cd02:12
syamajalaand i'm trying to install it02:12
graziesyamajala: sorry I though you had completed the install02:13
syamajalai'm at the partitioning part and it says /dev/hda is empty02:13
posingaspopularcodec is a fun word02:13
graziesyamajala: just select use largest free space then from the menu02:13
posingaspopulari used it in a poem and all the creative writing students jumped down my throath because they didnt know what it meant. a bit offtopic sorry02:13
cellofellowcodec == enCOde DEcode. It's a spec, a file format for A/V stuff.02:13
graziesyamajala: also don't use cfdisk on a Mac disk...use mac-fdisk02:18
cellofellowthat's prolly where the problems started.02:18
graziesyamajala: or fdisk ^^02:18
syamajalaah ok02:19
beltzIs there an open source driver I can find that will let me take advantage of a 5 button mouse? Right now my 2 side buttons don't seem to be doing anything.02:20
beltzAnd  I didn't find anything under Settings/Mouse02:21
graziebeltz: look at >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Activate_side-mouse-buttons_in_FireFox02:23
graziebeltz: works for all browsers02:23
Prisoner_got it play, but all I get is gibberish, hmmm02:26
beltzI typed gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.con and it says "sudo: gedit: command not found".02:26
beltzI know this is all really newbiish, but as soon as I get my absolute necessities running I'll start learning a bit more on my own :P02:26
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graziebeltz: replace gedit with mousepad02:27
Prisoner_might be a video driver thing02:28
graziePrisoner_: using vlc?02:28
graziePrisoner_: you should be fine!02:28
Prisoner_I didn't mount the volume02:29
grazieno don't02:29
graziePrisoner_: tried another dvd?02:29
Prisoner_don't have one handy02:30
Prisoner_but I know this DVD is good02:30
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graziePrisoner_: mplayer can cope with more, but I've never had a problem with vlc02:31
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syamajalaok i'm back02:33
syamajalai keep being interrupted02:33
graziedon't we all!02:34
syamajalai deleted my osx partition with mac-fdisk02:35
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beltzWhat's the difference between restarting the computer, or doing control-alt-backspace?02:36
cheaters1ealmis there a clipboard history in xubuntu?02:36
Jester45beltz: control alt backspace only restarts the xserver02:37
Jester45beltz: a complete restart would be everything like the kernal and other core system things02:37
graziesyamajala: why did you delete os x? (could have use gparted too)02:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:38
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto02:38
beltzAh! The bot doesn't know what Xserver is either. So I don't have to feel too stupid :P02:38
syamajalagrazie: gparted kept saying that my whole disk was free02:38
beltzor is xorg and xserver the same?02:39
graziebeltz: linux users don't like restarting....windows users have no choice!02:39
graziesyamajala: odd?02:39
Jester45beltz: its just a diffrent way to call it the "xserver" is your window system aka xorg aka X02:39
syamajalayeah so i'm just gonna make them myself and see if the installer will work02:40
Jester45the same02:40
beltzAnd do I need to close my apps like this chat before restarting xserver?02:40
Jester45beltz: X xserver xorg are all the same02:40
graziesyamajala: why did you delete os x?02:40
Jester45you can just restart02:40
syamajalai have 2 osx partitions02:40
syamajala1 is 5gb and 1 is 5502:40
syamajalaso i got rid of the 502:40
graziesyamajala: can you still boot os x?02:41
syamajalauh i didn't try yet02:42
grazieI'm concerned you may have deleted your partition table partition02:42
Jester45syamajala: would you know if the 5gb was the first partiti?02:43
syamajalait wasn't02:43
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syamajalait was hda602:43
Jester45i all ways wondered why xubuntu trys to use hda5 as default swap02:45
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graziesyamajala: in a terminal do 'sudo mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda' and pastebin the output02:45
grazie!pastebin | syamajala02:45
ubotusyamajala: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)02:45
mic50khi all02:46
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mic50ki have an issue with network, when i boot lsmod shows tulip ok, but i have to deactivate and then activate eth0 for it to work??02:48
graziesyamajala: that's fine!02:49
Jester45anyone here use azureus? how much cache do you have for it02:50
grazieJester45: I thought you used delude?02:50
Jester45never tried it02:51
grazieneeds work...but it'll be good02:51
Jester45i want a utorrent port02:52
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Jester45if i get a job soon i will try to pay the dev to port it02:52
mic50kdmesg says:  eth0: Autonegotiation failed, using 10baseT, link beat status 10c02:52
grazieJester45: I've used it with wine...v.good02:52
Jester45nothing like the real thing02:53
Jester45i think all apps in wine are ugly02:53
Jester45unless they are games02:53
graziedoes the job sometimes02:53
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syamajalai made all the partitions i need03:01
syamajala800k bootstrap03:01
syamajala800mb swap03:01
syamajalaand 4.3gb /03:01
Jester45how much ram do you have03:02
Jester45i would have trouble with that much ram/swap but it depends on what you do03:03
syamajalanormally i never even touch the swap03:03
syamajalabut i just make one for suspend203:03
Jester45im a bit diffrent03:04
Jester45i have 2gb ram03:04
Jester45and im using 1940mb os it and 283 swap03:04
syamajalagparted still says its all empty03:05
syamajalai formatted my / and did mkswap03:06
Jester45i got a panel plugin that tells me03:06
beltzHow can I add an application in the "Applications" menu to the launcher (where the default firefox icon is)?03:06
Jester45i need a ew w ram sticks03:06
beltzI tried the "add new item" option but it seems to require that I find the right file to launch, and I have no idea where they are located.03:06
Jester45beltz: im not sure what you mean, do you want a new item on the applications menu?03:07
syamajalais there a way to do the install from the command line03:07
Jester45or a new icon next to firefox03:07
syamajalaif you just give it a root partition to work with03:08
Jester45syamajala: install? the complete install of xubuntu or do you mean a install of a program03:08
beltzJester45: : i want to add a new icon next to Firefox03:09
syamajalathe gui thing isn't working...03:09
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Jester45syamajala: are you on the live cd or alternative install03:09
syamajalalive cd03:09
Jester45beltz: ok what are you tring to start03:09
Jester45syamajala: why isnt it working03:10
syamajalagparted doesn't see any of my partitions03:10
Jester45aa talking to 2 people is hard :)03:10
syamajalait says the whole disk is empty still03:10
Jester45what type are they, are they mounted03:10
beltzjester: I want to add Terminal, Thunderbird and GAIM03:10
syamajalamy / is xfs03:10
syamajalathats all there is03:10
syamajalaits not mounted03:10
Jester45try mounting it03:11
Jester45i dont know if you have to do that03:11
graziesyamajala: you may still have the partition map partition, but it may have been corrupted03:12
beltzI also wanna add Thunar03:12
Jester45o yea you deleted stuffs03:12
Jester45beltz ok hold on one second03:12
Jester45beltz: i know how to do it but i dont have time rihgt now03:13
syamajalai can try booting osx03:13
graziesyamajala: hang on...thinking....but mac-fdisk wouldn't have worked03:13
Jester45beltz: ok right click panel then add new item03:14
Jester45find laucher03:14
graziesyamajala: what did you mean ...'the gui thing isn't working'03:14
syamajalawell its gparted03:14
Jester45make it and open the perties03:15
syamajalawhen i get to the partitioning part of the installation03:15
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syamajalagparted just says my whole disk is unallocated03:15
beltzi guess its the command I have no idea where to find.03:15
Jester45beltz: for Terminal type03:15
graziesyamajala: I thought you'd finished?03:15
syamajalathats were i've been stuck03:15
syamajalaat the partitioning03:16
BFTDhey all03:16
BFTDif anyone needs help03:16
Jester45beltz: Name: Terminal Description: what you want Command Terminal03:16
BFTDjust message me03:16
Jester45hey BFTD its active in here tonight03:16
BFTDI should be on for a few hours03:16
graziesyamajala: have you got important stuff on the os x partition?03:16
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Jester45beltz: or an icon you can click on the drop down menu thing and chose the terminal one03:17
syamajalai could of just did edit manually03:17
syamajalaand clicked next03:17
syamajalabecause at the set mount point screen it sees the stuff i made03:17
Jester45for an icon*03:17
graziesyamajala: have you got important stuff on the os x partition?03:17
syamajalanot really03:17
syamajalai just don't wanna reinstall os x03:17
syamajalabut i think it should work now03:17
beltzThanks a lot it works03:18
Jester45beltz: its the same thing for them all03:18
beltzIs there a default place where I can find the files that launch an application? Like thunderbird?03:18
graziesyamajala: you've most likely damaged the partition map somehow03:18
beltzI typed "Thunderbird" in the command but it didn't work...03:18
graziesyamajala: : if you have nothing will boot03:19
Jester45beltz: its in /usr/share/applications03:19
Jester45beltz: most are in there i will look for the binaries03:19
graziesyamajala: you may be able to recover the data using the live cd, but with a damage partition map..... :(03:20
Jester45i think they are in /usr/bin03:20
syamajalamac-fdisk still works03:20
beltzI found thunderbird in usr/share/applications so I think I can figure this one now03:20
beltzThanks a lot for your help Jester4503:20
syamajalaand it shows all my partitions03:20
graziesyamajala: yes that I don't understand !03:21
Jester45beltz: yes /use/bin has them03:21
syamajalaand the set mount point screen also does03:21
Jester45usr/bin *03:21
syamajalaits just gparted that is messed up03:21
syamajalabecause if i select manually edit partition table in the installer03:21
graziesyamajala: unless the partition map is cached in ram...?03:21
syamajalaand click next after that without doing anything03:22
syamajalait works03:22
syamajalai don't think its in ram03:22
syamajalabecause i rebooted a bunch of times already03:22
graziesyamajala: I don't but....03:22
syamajalajust to see if rebooting would fix gparted03:22
graziesyamajala: oh03:22
Jester45yea that seems to empty my ram also03:22
graziesyamajala: see if you can boot os x03:23
syamajalaactually even if i do use entire disk03:23
syamajalao no03:23
syamajalai don't want use entire disk ;-p03:24
graziesyamajala: you need to see what state the machine is now in....no point in progressing03:24
syamajalalets see if osx boots03:25
Jester45beltz: anything else?03:25
syamajalaboots fine03:25
graziegood news03:25
syamajalai think gparted doesn't like os x or something03:26
graziesyamajala: why did you stop the installation?03:27
beltzUmm... well the last thing I need today is to install Java sdk/jre + netbeans :P But I haven't even looked at how yet03:29
graziesyamajala: fdisk & cfdisk are not designed to work with Mac disks.03:29
beltzSo maybe I should give it a try first before bothering you guys hehe03:29
graziesyamajala: I thought gparted could handle both dos and mac disks, but I'm certain as I don't use it03:29
grazie*I'm not03:29
syamajalai used mac-fdisk and made the partitions and went to the select mount point screen03:30
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syamajalabut it says it can't see my apple bootstrap partition03:30
syamajalai think i need to format it03:30
syamajalabecause it looks like it expects it to be hfsplus03:31
graziesyamajala: did you create a bootstrap partition?03:31
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syamajalai didn't format it though03:31
cheaters1ealmwhat's the easiest to use virtualization enviornment (vmware, xen, etc) for running vista?03:31
Jester45try /bin/xvidtune its fun03:32
syamajalawill xen run vista?03:32
cheaters1ealmI have no idea what will run vista03:32
graziesyamajala: I'd suggest removing the partitions you created for xubuntu and leaving as free space and let the install create them03:33
syamajalagrazie: i tried that03:33
Jester45cheaters1ealm: use qemu03:33
syamajalait wanted to use my whole disk03:33
cheaters1ealmunless I use qemu cvs, it might not work03:34
Jester45why not03:34
beltzI'm downloading the Java JRE and I'm wondering: They offer to download either a self-extracting file, or a self-extracting RPM file. What's RPM?03:34
cheaters1ealmJester45: http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/viewtopic.php?t=198203:34
Jester45qemu acts as a machine shouldnt matters the os03:35
graziesyamajala: you should get 3 options..1. whole disk 2, largest free space 3. manual03:36
syamajalai only get 2 each time i tried the installer03:36
syamajalaand i tried it at different times03:36
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syamajalaafter i deleted my osx partition03:37
syamajalai tried it and only got use whole disk and manual03:37
syamajalaand then after i made new ones but didn't format them i got the samething03:37
Prisoner_hi again03:37
cheaters1ealmJester45: yeah, qemu won't run vista...03:38
Prisoner_I'm planning to avoid Vista03:38
Jester45o well03:38
cheaters1ealmI got it for free through my school03:39
Jester45cheaters1ealm: its not aNY GOod i had it on my laptop03:40
cheaters1ealmthat's why I'm using virtualization03:40
cheaters1ealmI might virtualize XP too03:40
Jester45its not any good03:40
beltzOkay I'm lost again.03:41
beltzI downloaded Java JRE for linux, it has RPM in the file name, and the extension is bin. I also downloaded a bin file of the JDK with Netbeans. How do I install them? I also verified in Synaptic first and there was no java 6 listed...03:41
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DoctorDoogis there a minimal install CD specifically for xubuntu?03:41
syamajalai can't format the bootstrap partition03:42
cheaters1ealmI could have sworn I installed java jdk through apt somehow03:42
syamajalait says it needs to be hfsplus03:42
Jester45cheaters1ealm: you might have to install somthing for firefox03:42
beltzapt == synaptic?03:43
DoctorDoogI guess there's not?03:43
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cheaters1ealmI installed 'sun-java5-jre' for the runtime stuff, but I might not get java in firefox03:43
Jester45beltz: apt is cli and synaptic is gui, also apt is the base for synaptic03:43
Jester45cheaters1ealm: i will look for you on what i have03:44
DoctorDooglooks like my answer is no03:44
cheaters1ealmadditionally, 'sun-java5-bin' got installed03:44
cheaters1ealmI have universe and multiverse in my sources, that might be how I got it03:44
Jester45beltz: apt is must simpler, apt-get install packagename and apt-cache search terms03:44
grazieDoctorDoog: no. but I suppose you could debian03:45
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DoctorDoogby minimal CD, I mean where you boot the installer and rather than having any of the base packages it downloads them off of a mirror03:45
beltzI did find Java 5 in synaptic though... But JRE 6 and JDK6 are available on the sun site, but not on synaptic it seems.03:45
Jester45DoctorDoog: you can use debian's minimal install then change /etc/apot/sources.list and put the ubuntu server there03:45
cheaters1ealmdid java6 get released?03:46
Jester45then apt-get reload and apt-get upgrade03:46
DoctorDoogI got one for ubuntu, but nobody in #ubuntu even believes it exists :P03:46
cheaters1ealmit *just* got realsed if it did03:46
Jester45its mostlikly not in thje repos yet03:46
beltzYes java6 has been out for at least a month03:46
Jester45DoctorDoog: if you got one its not officail03:47
beltzapt-get reload gave me: "E: Invalid operation reload"03:49
beltzI reloaded with Synaptic and it's not there still... Is there a way to just install a bin file otherwise03:49
cheaters1ealmapt-get update  (not reload) will download the new repo information03:49
Jester45cheaters1ealm: all i have installed with "java" is java-common dun-java5-bin and un-java5-jre03:50
cheaters1ealmbeltz: if the .bin extracts an RPM, no03:50
beltzI can download one without RPM03:50
cheaters1ealmJester45: I needed the sun packages, I guess03:50
cheaters1ealmbeltz: get that one then03:50
Jester45cheaters1ealm: the sun-java6 's are in repos i didnt know03:51
cheaters1ealmI have java503:51
Jester45cheaters1ealm: im going to try java6 i will tell you if it breaks ff or azureus03:52
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beltzI have the non-RPM one now... jre-6-linux-i586.bin03:52
cheaters1ealmI only use ff03:52
cheaters1ealmbeltz: maybe Jester45 will be able to let you know how to install it through apt, which is the preferred way03:52
beltzthat would be really kind, if Jester45 has the time03:53
syamajalai was able to format my bootstrap partition03:54
syamajalawith hformat03:55
syamajalabut the installer still says there is no bootstrap partition03:55
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syamajalagrazie: if i start fresh do you think it would work?03:59
syamajalalike i mean reinstall os x03:59
Jester45syamajala: it should work if you wipoe the whole drive03:59
syamajalai don't get why gparted isn't working03:59
syamajalai have everything there03:59
syamajalai formatted my bootstrap partition with hfs04:00
syamajalabut it still says that i don't have on04:00
Jester45if the partition table is bad then gparted doesnt know hwo ot read it04:01
beltzJester45: I have downloaded the non-RPM java JRE6 now...04:01
syamajalabut osx still boots fine04:01
syamajalaand i can mount all the partitions i made from the live cd04:01
syamajalathe gui installer can't see any of them though04:01
Jester45beltz: java6 is in the repos04:02
syamajalais there anyway i can install from the command line?04:02
Jester45beltz: you just type apt-get install sun-javaj6-jre04:02
Jester45syamajala: idk about that04:03
Jester45aa man04:03
Jester45i didnt know he was here04:03
beltzhehe do I need to add su or something before it?04:05
beltzE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)04:05
beltzE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?04:05
Jester45beltz: yea add sudo04:05
beltzah, i forgot the do part04:05
syamajalait actually looks like there is something wrong with gparted04:06
syamajalai tried running gparted from the command line04:06
syamajalaand i got error: the partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition.04:07
syamajalasearching google i found this04:07
syamajalathat would probably explain why gparted thinks the whole disk is empty04:08
Jester45beltz: java6 works fine from the repos with firefox you can go to http://www.javatester.org/version.html04:08
beltzIm sorry but it still doesn't work. I also tried from the desktop folder, and also changing the file name to the one I downloaded... E: Couldn't find package sun-javaj6-jre04:09
Jester45typo its sun-java6-jre04:09
beltzI tried that too :P04:09
Jester45do you have the extra repos installed?04:09
cheaters1ealmJester45: you can add extra repos in synaptic04:10
Jester45cheaters1ealm: i know i have them im asking beltz04:10
beltzDo you mean the Third Party thing in synaptic?04:10
beltzIf so, no.04:10
Jester45he is trying to install java6 but apt cant find package04:11
cheaters1ealmJester45: right, but if you didn't know that, I thought you might want to know before telling them to edit /etc/apt/sources.list :)04:11
beltzI did check the option "software restricted by copyright (multiverse)"04:11
Jester45beltz: open synaptic and enable the universe and multiverse04:11
Jester45then reload04:11
Jester45then close04:11
Jester45then run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" without quotes04:12
avatar_is it possible to install *buntu on a disk allready running XP by resizing the NTFS-partition?04:13
beltzAll options are selected (universe and multiverse included), I reloaded and downloaded updates or whatever, I closed synaptic - it doesn't work yet :(04:14
Jester45avatar_: yes its possible but you might messup your ntfs partition04:14
kalikianaavatar_, of course, as long as you make a backup just in case :)04:14
Jester45beltz: are you on drapper or edgy04:14
avatar_great :)04:14
avatar_jester45, thnx04:15
avatar_kalikiana, thnx04:15
syamajalai guess i'll try a fresh install of osx tomorrow04:15
kalikianaJester45, that was kind of a teamwork :P04:15
syamajalaif that does nothing then it is probably gparted that is causing the problem04:15
syamajalaand i will give up.04:16
Jester45kalikiana: yep good job team04:16
beltzSome websites are saying that to install Java, I should install Automatix and use that to install it...04:16
beltzJester45:  I am on edgy04:16
beltzor 6.1004:16
syamajalai can also look at fedora04:17
Jester45kalikiana: maybe we could teamup for beltz he said he has all 4 repos installed and he updated the cache but apt still cant find the package sun-java6-jre04:17
syamajalaanyway i'm going to bed now04:17
Jester45syamajala: no just stay here04:18
Jester45syamajala: thats what i do04:18
beltzJester: Maybe we could do this with VNC? But then again, that would require me figuring out how to install VNC haha04:18
Jester4524/7 tech support all by my self04:19
cheaters1ealmit would be easier to use ssh, but giving someone else access to your computer is a Bad Thing04:19
kalikianabeltz, Jester45: I have everything but restricted repo, java6 is showing up. hm...04:19
Jester45beltz: yes we could do that04:19
cheaters1ealmssh is easy to set up :)04:19
Jester45kalikiana: backports maybe?04:19
Jester45beltz: try enabling the backports04:19
cheaters1ealmbeltz: it's a repository04:20
Jester45its a repo do the same as the universe and multiverse04:20
beltzBackported updates?04:20
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Jester45beltz: yes04:21
beltzYay, java6 shows up.04:21
beltzI guess that was it.04:21
Jester45hello kalikiana_ :) welcome to #xubuntu04:21
Jester45i own04:21
kalikiana_Jester45, I have multiverse, main and universe but no backports. I'm on Edgy like him/her.04:21
kalikiana_Oh, so it's there now?04:22
beltzIs there a disadvantage from using apt instead of synaptic? Will I be able to uninstall stuff from synaptic, even if installed from the other?04:22
kalikiana_!welcome | Jester4504:22
ubotuJester45: Hello and welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions or help others. If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic and for developer discussion, see #xubuntu-devel :)04:22
Jester45kalikiana its not he/she its a it04:22
beltz(guess that doesnt work here)04:22
beltzJester45: I was gonna make that joke too :(04:22
Jester45i got beltz kodos04:22
cheaters1ealmJester45: good work, and thanks for the heads up on java604:23
beltzThank you so much everyone04:23
Jester45i think of any person on a irc linux tech support as a guy04:23
Jester45cheaters1ealm: you really do cheat you way out of "fun"04:23
cheaters1ealmJester45: you're probably right 99%04:23
cheaters1ealmJester45: right now vista is installing in vmware04:24
cheaters1ealmactually installed04:24
Jester45and many that say they are girls just want to be special and get suppport faster04:24
Jester45chim telling you its not good04:24
Jester45xp was better04:24
cheaters1ealmthere's a reason I'm not trying to install vista on a regular partition04:25
cheaters1ealmthe fact of the matter is, if vista runs in a vm, and it does vs.net 2k5, and syncs with my phone.. I'll probably keep it04:25
Jester45i wish the xubuntu live cd could run in ram like DSL04:25
cheaters1ealmJester45: just get a computer with more ram :)04:26
cheaters1ealmI had a computer with like 4gb of ram or something crazy04:26
cheaters1ealmit ran knoppix so fast04:26
Jester45cheaters1ealm: i go 2gb04:26
cheaters1ealmhrm, I dunno then04:26
Jester45the live cd just dosent support it04:26
cheaters1ealmit had 4 cpus, maybe that was why04:27
Jester45i smell bs04:27
cheaters1ealm4x550mhz processor, 2 or 4 gb ram, a cdrom drive, dual power supplies04:27
cheaters1ealmit was a 4U rackmount compaq server04:27
cheaters1ealmI'm pretty sure the laptop-sized cdrom drive wasn't that fast04:28
Jester45thats not much cpu04:28
cheaters1ealmcombined it is04:28
cheaters1ealm2.2, but yeah04:28
cheaters1ealmand it was knoppmyth, not vista04:28
Jester45not that much04:28
Jester45intel core duo is better04:29
cheaters1ealmwhatever the case may be, it ran knoppix very quickly04:29
Jester45or even a single althlon04:29
Jester45knoppix is little becuase it has to run on cd04:29
cheaters1ealmthis was like 2 years ago I had this04:29
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cheaters1ealmvista booting is very disk/cpu intensive... it's making my music skip04:30
Jester45well then its nice but still... a file server has 64gb ram now04:30
cheaters1ealmmy fileserver only has 1gb :(04:30
Jester45make your music less nice04:30
cheaters1ealmthat reminds me, I should have it cache more disk in memory04:31
Jester45whats vmware default to ? 128?04:32
Jester45qemu defaults to 12804:32
cheaters1ealmit's got the sata raid and the gigabit ethernet all on the same pci bus04:32
cheaters1ealmvmware is using 512mb ram04:32
cheaters1ealmdepends on the system I think04:32
Jester45i do say java6 is nice04:33
Jester45making azureus run faster04:33
cheaters1ealmI hate java threads from java504:33
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cheaters1ealmgetting stuff to work in swing was a pain04:33
Jester45and zap my internet speed04:33
Jester45the only thing i use java for is torrents and vnc04:34
cheaters1ealm"Please wait while windows checks your computer's peformance"04:34
Jester45gonna have fun time with thatg04:35
kalikiana_so now you get your 4d-superpower-rating, right? *har04:35
Jester45emulated vista04:35
cheaters1ealmit's running in a vmware, competing with folding at home, and I'm using the computer it's being hosted on while it checks the performance04:35
Jester45what version did you get04:35
Jester45i got the premium04:35
cheaters1ealmif I need dx10 and gaming, I'll get vista04:36
Jester45i dont like it04:36
cheaters1ealmuntil I buy a dx10 card, I'm not going to buy vista04:36
Jester45i installed xp and gemtoo04:36
cheaters1ealmI like the look of vista04:36
cheaters1ealmnot that I've gotten to the desktop yet04:36
cheaters1ealmhrm, I'm at the desktop04:38
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cheaters1ealmit's still pegging the disk though04:38
cheaters1ealmI'll just let that run :)04:38
Jester45well im gonna go also04:39
cheaters1ealmta ta04:39
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Jester45check on bqackups and dishes04:40
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beltzHow do I change the owner to root.root for a file? Right now it says Beltz(beltz) in the properties menu.04:46
vrkhansI tried to install the xubuntu04:46
vrkhansbut fail got this error msg on my screen signal out of range04:47
Jester45beltz: type gksu thunar04:55
Jester45gksu is like sudo but for a gui04:56
Jester45you can use sudo for gui apps but its not that greaT04:57
Jester45sometimes it messes up gksu is better04:57
beltzI found a way to do it with chown though04:58
beltzBut that sounds useful too04:58
beltzfor the future04:58
Jester45its faster04:59
Jester45ok im gonna explain a few things04:59
Jester45with windows a gui app has its own commands and things for the most part04:59
Jester45but in linux you have cli and gui apps05:00
Jester45many gui just combine cli apps or make it easier to use like auto config and other things05:00
Jester45so say for thunar05:00
Jester45when you go into a new folder05:00
Jester45it uses the "ls" command05:01
Jester45when removing a file "rm" and foler "rm -rf"05:01
Jester45and changing owner... chown05:01
Jester45so for many things gui apps are just "front-ends" meaning they only tell other things what to do05:02
Jester45acid rip for an example is a front end to mencoder05:02
Jester45mencoder has a few 1000 options05:03
Jester45the acid rip front end is for ripping dvds05:03
beltzSo when you type that command before a GUI app, the gui app knows that it should apply that command to the ones it uses (in some cases I assume)?05:03
Jester45so it makes its much easier05:03
Jester45no the gksu is like sudo05:03
Jester45makes the app  have root user privileges05:04
Jester45you can use sudo05:05
Jester45it will work for allmost everything but a fewthings might not work05:05
Jester45when i first started with linux i used sudo becuase it was easier to remeber05:06
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j1mcPuMpErNiCkLe, you here?05:07
beltzhow long did it take you to find Linux more useful/powerful than windows when you started? I like some of what I see so far, but of course for now it's a bigger hassle than windows since im new05:07
Jester45hello j1mc i mised you05:07
Jester45and no he seems to be away05:07
j1mcHi Jester4505:07
j1mci am trying to set up some testing for xubuntu, and wanted to talk over some wiki stuff before i put it up.05:08
Jester45beltz: a month i would say i just depends on what your wanting i cant leave windows behind becuase i play 40ish hours of games a week05:08
j1mcare you on the xubuntu-dev mailing list?05:08
j1mcor, is anyone here on the xubuntu-dev mailing list?05:09
Jester45i was...05:09
Jester45to many emails05:09
j1mcyeah.  :(05:10
j1mcwould you mind taking a look at this, and letting me know what you think?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-February/003153.html05:10
Jester45j1mc: why would you ask?05:10
j1mc. . . if you have a moment . . .05:10
Jester45o and05:10
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Jester45j1mc: java6 is out05:10
j1mci sent that email to the list today, and no one has responded yet.05:10
Jester45and cellofellow is back05:10
j1mci saw the discussion about java earlier, but wasn't part of it.05:11
j1mcis it big news or something?05:11
Jester45lucky u didnt join05:11
Jester45i think its much faster than 505:11
Jester45at lease azureus wize05:11
cellofellowJava6 is cool. A little faster than Java5. I had to manually fix a symlink though to get the Firefox plugin working.05:11
cellofellowOOo is much faster too.05:12
j1mccool.  that's good then.  most java apps seem kinda slow to me.05:12
j1mccool, cellofellow05:12
Jester45if they ever get java to run as fast as c then that would be great05:12
cellofellowI just got this new wireless USB mouse. It works great but moves a little fast. How do I adjust this?05:13
Jester45settings -> user interface05:14
Jester45i think05:14
Jester45j1mc: seems good05:15
cellofellownot there05:15
j1mcthanks, Jester45.  i think i'll just attempt to put the pages up, and refine them later as necessary.05:15
beltzmaybe under settings->mouse settings05:15
j1mcright now, some info is better than none.05:16
Jester45beltz: oo mr smarty pants now05:16
Jester45i was just guessing05:16
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Jester45beltz: what would you like out of linux i might beable to help05:17
beltzhey i was just trying to help05:17
beltzI'm really just experimenting. I can't think of anything in particular that I am looking for...05:18
Jester45i busy with getting xgl/beryl to work on xubuntu05:18
beltzBut I can't think of anything special I would need from windows rather than linux either.05:18
Jester45no more reboots all the time? no virus ? everything is free05:19
beltzWell, I got around the "everything is free" part in windows :P05:20
beltzAnd I'd be satisfied alone for the fact that when I ask linux to reboot remotely, it actually reboots rather than stalling at the "shutting down screen"05:20
beltzOne thing I may hope to get from linux, but I dont know if its possible, is to restrict the memory or resources an application takes.05:21
Jester45yea  i think you can05:21
beltzBecause I transfer a lot of stuff on Emule (peer to peer program) and it seems it caches whatever I'm transfering in memory. After a few gigs of download/upload, windows XP gets  so slow, its unbearable.05:21
beltzMaybe Amule on Linux fixes that by default but otherwise I'll need to figure how to make it happen myself05:22
Jester45i know you can make the program "nice"05:22
beltzand btw thanks for all your help so far and for offering even more once again :)05:22
cellofellowthat just makes it less priority on the CPU, and usually does little.05:22
Jester45making the program nice is like on windows the priority05:22
cellofellowuse htop, it makes it easy to nice programs.05:23
Jester45cellofellow: i said that b4 he said anything about memory05:23
Jester45and if you are useing 100% you can nice mean programs and the one you need gets more05:24
cellofellowyeah, like I usually nice trackerd05:24
Jester45i just let it run05:24
beltzcan nice help with memory somehow?05:24
beltzor just cpu05:24
Jester45it will finish soon05:24
beltzcpu isn't a problem as long as im not downloading 500 files at once05:24
cellofellowyou may be able to get a process to use swap instead of ram.05:24
cellofellowdunno though05:25
Jester45i read somthing about htat05:25
Jester45force some things to use swap05:25
beltzill see if amule makes this hassle necessary first though05:25
Jester45but that would make it run slower05:25
cellofellowI need Azureas for sun. Installing "azureus" installs the gcj version. Sun so much faster.05:26
beltzOh, one thing I definitely wanna get out of linux is the ability to put keyboard shortcuts on absolutely everything I use. I hate using the mouse, its too slow05:26
cellofellow101% doable.05:26
Jester45cellofellow: dont install the repo's azureus05:26
cellofellowis there a 3rd-party deb package?05:27
Jester45get the one for source forge its way newer05:27
cellofellowwell, it just insists on GCJ, which sucks.05:27
Jester45try debian? the source forge one is nice05:27
Jester45force remove it and install sun05:28
cellofellowthere isn't a sun version.05:28
beltzDo I really need to install everything from apt or synaptic? I downloaded netbeans and it has instructions for running it's own installer on Linux.05:29
cellofellowI have sun-java6, and haven't uninstalled gcj but there is azureus which depends on azureas-gcj05:29
cellofellowbeltz: it's much better to use apt.05:29
cellofellowif they didn't offer a .deb package, then just deal with it. The files often get put in odd places.05:31
Jester45beltz: there are many diffrent versions of linux and they are all diffrent the place xubuntu puts a file is diffrent from redhat or fendora...so they work but its not as intergrated05:31
Jester45well played cellofellow05:31
beltzIs it by downloading one of those installer-less archives that I can install using apt?05:31
Jester45cellofellow: this is what i did... dl az from sourceforge and unpack in / then opened it05:32
Jester45it even guessed to place the configs in ./.azurues05:32
cellofellowno makefile? I was hopping for being able to checkinstall05:32
beltzThere is no .deb package that I can see, but they do offer bin, bz2, tgz and zip "archive distributions". Is this what I should be looking for to use with apt?05:33
cellofellowthe bin is a windows-style self extracting archive. Get the bz2 one, smaller, but you still control the installation unlike the bin file.05:35
Jester45beltz: i know how to limit memory useage i dont know if this is the ebst way but05:36
Jester45make a user for the program then login as user and run ulimit -m sizeinKB then start amulke05:37
Jester45or somthing of the like05:37
beltzSo you mean, while logged as the proper user for the program?05:38
Jester45ulimit i think can only limit the user's memory useage05:39
Jester45not the process05:39
Jester45i will keep looking05:40
beltzI downloaded netbeans-5_5.tar.bz205:40
beltzi take it there is a unique and beautiful way of installing that one as well :P05:41
Jester45un tar it and look if it has a file named CONFIGURE05:41
beltzIt has a few sub folders named config, but no configure file I found yet05:44
kalikiana_Jeser45: 'configure' is always small case ;)05:44
kalikiana_beltz, look for an 'src'05:44
kalikiana_beltz, if there is neither, is there a 'Makefile'?05:45
beltzNo.. there is uh.. build info05:46
beltzoh wait, this page http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/55/install.html#archives - just says to launch the netbeans file...05:47
kalikiana_ok, so try that05:47
beltzits a shell script05:47
kalikiana_sounds fine indeed.05:47
beltzwhoa, no installation needed or what? It just launched the program. Its a java program, so I guess that's why05:49
Jester45no its just pre compied05:49
beltzso what's an appropriate folder to shove that netbeans folder in?  usr/bin?05:50
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Jester45but as said before its in an odd place i my self like to store things llike that far away from my home and desktop05:50
beltzya i want it out of there05:50
kalikiana_beltz, better use /usr/local/bin for non-repo files05:50
Jester45and put a launcher on the panel for it05:50
kalikiana_that way you know that everything in there may have e.g. no uninstall function ;)05:51
Jester45beltz: wanted to know how to retrict a processes memory usage would you happen to know kalikiana_05:51
kalikiana_i no only that you can 'nice' a process, although restricted memory should be possible05:52
kalikiana_s/no/know ;)05:52
Jester45thats what i said05:53
Jester45ulimit can restrict a user anbd its processes05:53
beltzusr/local/bin seems to be root. So I load thunar with gksu thunar and then copy it there?05:54
kalikiana_yeah, there is also a config file to limit a user's resources, but no per-app setting afaik05:54
beltzIt wouldn't let me copy n paste it there.05:54
Jester45see thats why a root thunar is cool05:54
kalikiana_beltz, or use 'sudo cp ...' ;)05:54
Jester45jsut dont go moving thinkgs that apt put there unless you know what your doing05:54
kalikiana_Jester45, don't dare you find any root thingy *cool* *grrrrr05:55
beltzwow it works05:58
beltzHow come I can open it from a shortcut while logged in as a normal user, despite it being in a root permission folder?05:58
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Jester45beltz: you probly have read only05:59
beltzwill that be a problem when using it, if I save files to other folders?05:59
Jester45there are 3 levels nothing read only read and write05:59
Jester45chown that one folder06:00
beltzchown beltz:beltz?06:00
Jester45no /usr/bin/ but the netbeans one06:00
Jester45i gtg06:00
Jester45be back tomarro06:00
beltzok cya and thanks again06:01
kalikiana_beltz, almost every regular installed application is contained in a folder owned by root, and pretty much the big part of your whole linux; if it were different you wouldn't need to be root at any time ;)06:01
kalikiana_beltz, by the way it's bad habit to make a folder in /usr writable for users06:01
beltzBut its ok to make this netbeans folder in usr/bin/local writable?06:02
kalikiana_beltz, If there is no other solution do it in this case. normally program shall write to your home folder.06:03
cellofellowyou meen /usr/local/bin?06:03
beltzya my bad06:03
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cellofellowwell, ok. I think some distros actually use /usr/bin/local though.06:05
kalikiana_and hi, by the way ^(.-.)^06:05
kalikiana_wow, I feel so upside down *g06:06
beltzoh that was a bat06:07
beltzIs it the same thing to install an application with Add/Remove or Synaptic?06:09
kalikiana_beltz, synaptic normally installs to /usr instead of /usr/local   ~('-')~06:10
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beltzDo you use wine?06:13
kalikiana_seldom, but yes. it's one game and intenret explorer for testing.06:14
beltzIt's basically the only thing left that I need, for some "learn japanese" apps that aren't available outside of windows06:14
kalikiana_There are several apps for learning Japanese on linux.06:14
kalikiana_Although I liked neither those for win nor for linux, but that's my opinion. :)06:15
beltzIt's to use Rosetta Stone, which people say sucks, but I think its good to learn to read faster.06:15
beltzIs Wine something that will slow down my computer constantly, or will it run only when I load windows files?06:16
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kalikiana_If you want to learn reading, why not fetch an easy book or something?06:16
cellofellowjust windows stuff06:16
beltzI don't know enough vocab, i'm just starting. But rosetta stone is helpful for reading simple sentences as you learn new words, in kana writing06:17
kalikiana_beltz, I have Japanese primary school books, lots of food from Asian stores and I get also vocabulary from Anime. :)06:19
beltzAlso, I use it because I have it anyway.. and I think programs are more "usable" than books most of the time. Easier to look up stuff when you are stuck06:19
beltzPrimary school books are something I wanted to eventually get, rather than those "for americans" ones...06:19
beltzI was just about to order a few "learn japanese" books (for english speakers) in fact06:19
kalikiana_Haha, I have original Japanese Hiragana books.06:19
beltzHow helpful do you find them compared to books meant to teach japanese to english people?06:20
kalikiana_For example there is a rabbit and besides it there is written (usagi) and on that page are only things with an (u). That is only the beginning but it's fun. :)06:21
kalikiana_Apart from that I have an online grammar guide for English learners.06:22
kalikiana_And recently I discovered a funny tv show (for dl) which is for English learners as well.06:23
beltzi hope its not that show where 20 girls are dancing and saying words in a really really creepy way :(06:23
kalikiana_I saw that once in Youtube *g06:23
beltzoh wait, that one was to teach english to japanese people i think06:23
beltzit was scary uh06:23
beltzcan you write some kanji, i wanna see if my default xubuntu install supports reading it in gaim :)06:24
kalikiana_beltz, look here for a *real* tv show http://www.animeupload.com/learn/06:24
kalikiana_I like Bentos. :) ^^06:25
beltzwatashi ha o.... gasuki?06:26
kalikiana_Don't expect any more complicated sentences from me, though ;)06:26
beltzDont expect me to read anything more than that :P (and without the kanji)06:26
kalikiana_Watashi wa(ha) o bentou ga suki.06:26
kalikiana_The particle HA is a spoken WA in that specific case.06:26
beltzI'm boycotting romanji :P06:27
beltzill spell it the way its spelt in japanese!06:27
kalikiana_I don't like romaji either :P06:27
kalikiana_My girlfriend doesn't understand why..06:28
beltzIs she japanese?06:28
beltzor learning like you?06:29
kalikiana_We'Re both learning :)06:30
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cryosphereI was here a few days trying to solve a bizzare problem; my laptop will recognize my USB devices and connects to the internet 10% of the boots, its totally random07:29
cryosphereI diffed  the syslog for a successfull boot seq and failure, if you want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/36577907:30
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cryosphere I was here a few days trying to solve a bizzare problem; my laptop will recognize my USB devices and connects to the internet 10% of the boots, its totally random07:31
cryosphere I diffed  the syslog for a successfull boot seq and failure, if you want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/36577907:31
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PuMpErNiCkLeAny chance you could pastebin them separately?  It's easier to read than a diff.07:45
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cryosphereYes, but07:49
cryosphereHAHA, if I don't diff them the files are HUGE07:49
cryospherei mean I assume that you would only want to see the diff07:49
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PuMpErNiCkLeFrom the diff, it looks like it's an IRQ problem.  I just have a harder time readeing diffs than the original logs.07:50
cryospherethe "<" is the good one07:51
cryospherethanks for trying07:51
cryosphereshit I have to go08:00
cryosphereI'm also getting an "unrecognized memory module  . . may affect stability , press esc to continue" msg before I even get to grub08:02
cryospheredoes that mean I need some new ram or are there other kinds of memory that could get damaged?08:02
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kalikianaWhat happens exactly when gksudo locks the screen and asks for a password? Does this prevent background programs from logging window messages?10:04
PuMpErNiCkLeIt ensures that nothing steals focus.10:09
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y0hmIn what config file would xfce4 store it's "autostarted applications" ?02:03
syamajalay0hm: if i remember correctly it used to be somewhere in ~/Desktop02:05
syamajalabut it might of changed with 4.402:06
y0hmsyamajala : I found it : /.config/autostart/02:06
syamajalagrazie: hello02:08
syamajalagrazie: i got the alternative install cd and managed to get a base system installed02:08
syamajalai tricked it02:09
graziesyamajala: hi...good news02:10
graziesyamajala: still concerned about your partition map though02:10
syamajalai just mounted /dev/hda6 at /target and it installed02:10
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syamajalai'm done02:37
syamajalainstalled yaboot manually02:37
syamajalalets see if osx still boots02:38
syamajalaosx didn't boot02:40
syamajalabut xubuntu looks like it works02:40
syamajalai probably need to change my yaboot settings a little02:42
syamajalai have a drum lesson now02:44
syamajalaso i'll be back later02:44
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fuelhi. i recently installed xubuntu-desktop on my system (kubuntu) and its not loading...04:39
fueleven the run box does not appear.......04:40
fuelguys help ????04:43
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BFTDhey Maximilian1st06:32
Maximilian1stI'm afraid you confuse me with another person, but... Hey hi :-)06:33
BFTDyeah I think I am06:33
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bulletxti'm no sure to update xfce to 4.4, is it stable?06:52
bulletxti'm on edgy06:52
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ser2how can i update gxine to latest version?07:54
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grazieser2: what package manager tool do you usually use?07:56
ser2from terminal07:57
ser2but i dont understand somtehing07:58
ser2it's seems that i cannot update it with aptitude install gxine07:58
grazieser2: aptitude update gxine07:59
ser2i have try this allready08:00
grazieser2: but you must update the repos first08:00
ser2the update don't need any arguments..08:00
ser2gzip: stdin: not in gzip format08:01
ser2http://ru.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Sources08:01
grazieser2: then there is no update in the repos08:01
ser2grazie do you know what is wrong with this repo08:02
ser2when update repos the source ...edgy/multiverse Sources return this erorr..08:03
grazieser2: I don't use multiverse...what error?08:04
ser2ok then08:04
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ser2on your system the grazie: ser2: aptitude update gxine works?08:06
ser2aptitude update gxine08:06
grazieser2: not on xubuntu right now..and I usually use apt-get or synaptic..sorry08:08
grazieser2: sorry I meant  'aptitude upgrade gxine'08:10
ser2how can i remove gxine without affecting xfce-desktop08:14
ser2becouse there is any dependence...08:14
grazieser2: what dependencies?08:14
grazieser2: that's ok08:15
grazieser2: thought you wanted to upgrade gxine :)08:16
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hyper_chgrazie: there?08:30
graziehyper_ch: hi08:35
hyper_chgot a shell open?08:36
graziehyper_ch:  got to go out for an hour...not on xubuntu right now...bbl08:36
hyper_chwell, once you are, enter:   pstree -p08:37
hyper_chyou'll see the processes listed in a tree structure :)08:37
hyper_chlooks really nice08:37
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graziehyper_ch: nice tool :)09:17
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syamajalaso i finally got xubuntu to install09:46
syamajalaand os x works too now09:46
syamajalai put the wrong partition in yaboot for osx09:46
syamajalabut they are both working together now09:46
syamajalaand i didn't have to reinstall os x either09:46
graziesyamajala: if you can't run gparted on that disk I still think you may have partition map problems...09:52
syamajalagrazie: actually there is something wrong with gparted/parted09:52
syamajalabecause i ran parted09:53
syamajalaand i got error: the partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition09:53
syamajalai found that its a known problem with parted and osx09:54
syamajalaso are there packages for xfce 4.4.009:55
graziesyamajala: xfce 4.4 is in feisty09:58
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curl1can you change the font size in the panels?10:23
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curl1The size of the Xfce panels can be adjusted but not the font size? Surely there must be a way...10:33
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baz_1when install for first time xubuntu,has a default value the password of root?10:42
graziebaz_1: root password is not set10:45
baz_1tnk,for set?10:46
posingaspopularsudo passwd10:46
posingaspopulari think10:46
baz_1when i lunch.it require password10:47
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posingaspopularhuh? didn't you set a master password on install?10:54
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graziebaz_1: enter your user password11:00
PuMpErNiCkLesudo uses your user's password.  There is no root account or password by default.11:00
baz_1tnk all11:02
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rmd_anyone know why /ignore isn't working in epic4 installed under xubuntu?11:03
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vrkhanshi i am trying to install the xubuntu but the problem it doesnt show me the partitions, just one big chunk of 178gb hard drive space11:37
vrkhansi have also windows on it11:37
vrkhansand total 4 partitions11:37
vrkhansbut it doesnt show any other partions11:37
vrkhansdoes there any why i can install a dual boot system11:38
vrkhanswithout disturbing other partions11:38
vrkhansi have a 200gb hdd hda1 20gb hda2 20 gb hda3 80gb and hda4 80gb11:39
vrkhansin mandrake partion software it shows all of them11:40
vrkhansbut in xbuntu it doesnt show other partions11:40
vrkhanshelp me11:40
syamajala finally upgraded to feisty11:40
vrkhansi wnat to install linux to hda211:41
syamajalaalmost took 2 hours11:41
vrkhansbut I dont know i can do that11:41
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syamajalavrkhans: i had the same problem with the installer11:41
vrkhanswhat you did11:42
syamajalai used the alternate installer11:42
vrkhansmandrake installer is good, it show all the correct partions11:42
syamajalaand mounted my partitions manually11:42
vrkhansi dont know i can do that11:43
syamajalayeah its a bit complicated11:43
vrkhansI never mounted any part11:43
vrkhansthats wiered11:43
vrkhansso what i should do11:44
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vrkhansthats an easy ans11:45
vrkhansthat measn i do know11:45
syamajalathere is probably a better solution than the one i have11:46
vrkhanswhat solution you have11:46
syamajalausing the alternative install cd11:46
vrkhansmount ing11:46
syamajalaand mounting your partitions manually11:46
vrkhanswhat is suntext you use11:47
vrkhansi mean11:47
vrkhanswhat is the spelling11:47
vrkhansi forget the spelling11:49
vrkhansmount ....11:49
syamajalamkdir /target11:49
syamajalamount /dev/partition /target11:49
vrkhansif i have four partition11:50
vrkhansthen i have to make four dir11:50
syamajalawhat are your other partitions for?11:50
vrkhansi have an huge hdd11:51
vrkhans20gb for windows11:51
vrkhans20gb for linux11:51
vrkhans80gb for storage11:51
vrkhans80gb for another storage11:51
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vrkhansso these are my four partions11:52
vrkhansall are crrently in fat32 format11:53
magic_ninjawhats up11:53
vrkhansnotting up all down11:53
magic_ninjawhat are you partitioning for vrkhans11:53
magic_ninjayou want to keep your windows install correct?11:53
magic_ninjaare you on windows or ubuntu atm11:54
vrkhanscurrently wishing to install ubuntu11:55
magic_ninjayou said you have 4 partitions, you have C: for windows, what are they other 311:55
vrkhansi made the second 20gb partion to install linux11:55
vrkhansand 80 and 80gb for storage11:55
magic_ninjaif you are switching to linux, remember irc and google solves most questions, backup your data and use gnome at first, i don't care what these guys say, gnome is best for switching currently11:55
magic_ninjawhats the first 80 gb for11:56
vrkhansi have used linux in past11:56
vrkhansi like the xubuntu11:56
vrkhansbecause of the light weight11:56
magic_ninjagood deal11:56
magic_ninjai use linux for my base OS though11:56
vrkhansbut the problem is not what to use is how to install xubuntu11:57
magic_ninjai'm working you through that11:57
magic_ninjanow, do you use a partition manage from windows11:57
vrkhanswestren digital , install that11:58
magic_ninjathe installer will start a partition manager or wipe the entire drive, custom disk partitioning is what you want11:58
magic_ninjaso you need ot make a swap partition11:58
vrkhansi know but it doesnt show all the other partion what i have11:58
magic_ninjaresize one of the 80 gigs, the one thats AFTER the linux part (i reccomend ext3) and create a swap partition11:58
magic_ninjaright, you have to do that through linux11:59
vrkhansdear i tried it but it just show me one bg chunk of 178 gb partions11:59
vrkhansno other partions11:59
magic_ninjawhen you put the live cd in resize one of the 80 gig partitions, the one directly after your 20 gig partition and make a swap partition twice the size of your ram11:59
vrkhansi dont know why11:59
magic_ninjanot good11:59
vrkhansthat is the problem12:00
vrkhansi dont want to lose my other partions12:00
vrkhansor want to change12:00
vrkhansi just want to use the current partion12:00
magic_ninjathen take 500 megs out of the 20 gb and make a swap through whatever partiton manage you use12:01
magic_ninjathe linux installer should see your drive partitoned, if it can't then i'm not good enough to help you12:01
vrkhansdear it is not showing me that 20gb12:01
magic_ninjathe western digital one12:01
magic_ninjaor the linux one12:01
vrkhanswhen i am in windows i can see all my partions12:02
magic_ninjaor the linux one12:02
vrkhansbut when i try to install linux12:02
magic_ninjais there a good command-line mp3 player that suppoorts lage m3u files and random12:02
vrkhansit just show me one 178gb partions12:02
magic_ninjathe problem is that your in the wrong part of the interface12:02
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magic_ninjayou have to load that drive into the partiton manager12:03
syamajalaanyone use bcm43xx?12:03
magic_ninjamake sure your 20 gb is ext3 or reiser (i reccomend ext3)12:03
syamajalano wireless for me...12:17

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