[12:25] <syamajala> yeah
[12:25] <grazie> want do you see?
[12:26] <syamajala> it mounted the cd in the finder
[12:26] <syamajala> and shows all the dirs
[12:26] <grazie> what machine?
[12:26] <syamajala> like etc, install, casper, dists
[12:26] <syamajala> the system i'm trying to install on is a powerbook g4
[12:26] <syamajala> 1.3ghz
[12:26] <syamajala> the system i burned the cd on is a g5
[12:28] <grazie> all I can suggest is burning the image slowly on the g4 if possible. mac laptop cd/dvd roms can be awkward
[12:30] <grazie> syamajala: can you boot the cd on the g5?
[12:30] <syamajala> i didn't try
[12:30] <grazie> worth a go
[12:30] <Jester45> yep only takes a few seconds
[12:31] <syamajala> brb
[12:32] <syamajala> i just noticed this
[12:32] <syamajala> disk utility said it couldn't verify the cd
[12:32] <syamajala> i thought it was done because it ejected the disk
[12:32] <grazie> you need a good burn
[12:33] <syamajala> i'll try reburning it at a slower speed
[12:33] <syamajala> because i did that one at 24x
[12:33] <Jester45> try 4 or less
[12:33] <grazie> i still mine at x4 or less too
[12:33] <grazie> *stll do
[12:34] <syamajala> i got a lot of other stuff this time too
[12:34] <syamajala> vfs errors
[12:34] <syamajala> squashfs errors
[12:35] <syamajala> hmm
[12:35] <grazie> syamajala: it's a bad burn - throw it away
[12:35] <syamajala> the slowest disk utility does is 8x
[12:35] <syamajala> it only gives 2 options
[12:35] <grazie> on the g4?
[12:35] <syamajala> o
[12:36] <syamajala> i'll burn it on there then...
[12:39] <vrkhans> hi
[12:40] <vrkhans> I am trying to install xubuntu but after i hit install on the screen , it try to load and after a while i got this msg on the screen  i-e "signal out of range"  can any one help me what to do.
[12:41] <Dimensions> Hiya i am installing xubuntu on my sda1 flash drive ... its asking where i should be installing grub i have tried this before on sda1 sda hd0 sdb but none worked and installing grub crashes .... what should i do ???
[12:42] <grazie> vrkhans: what machine?
[12:43] <vrkhans> i have a Hp pentium III
[12:44] <vrkhans> the version i am using is the 6.10
[12:44] <Jester45> http://www.getright.com/seedtorrent.html <---- that could be very usefull
[12:44] <vrkhans> of xvuntu
[12:44] <grazie> vrkhans: using alternate or desktop cd?
[12:44] <vrkhans> desktop cd
[12:44] <vrkhans> what is alternate
[12:45] <grazie> vrkhans: alternate is design for low spec machines. How much you got?
[12:45] <grazie> Jester45: ?
[12:46] <grazie> vrkhans: how much ram sorry :) ?
[12:46] <vrkhans> i got around 259mb and 20 gb for linux
[12:46] <beltz> I am currently logged in on Ubuntu. I would normally want to format this drive and install Xubuntu on it instead. Is there a way to do this easier, with no drawbacks (like just removing gnome and adding xfce) or will there be an actual difference from a clean installation if I do that?
[12:48] <vrkhans> 256mb
[12:48] <vrkhans> and i have 20$ ;-)
[12:49] <beltz> What's the easiest to move to Xubuntu and get rid of Ubuntu? I'm logged in as Ubuntu right now...
[12:49] <grazie> vrkhans: have you selected disk check from the menu after booting? Not enough dosh I'm afraid...
[12:50] <grazie> beltz: you can install xubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <Dimensions> sorry got dced ... has any one answered to my question yet ?
[12:50] <beltz> How, and is it different from formatting my drive and installing from scratch?
[12:50] <beltz> sorry im a newbie
[12:50] <vrkhans> but i have mandrake on my system
[12:51] <vrkhans> and its running fine
[12:51] <vrkhans> so what is the problem with xbuntu
[12:51] <Dimensions> vrkhans: are u khan ?
[12:51] <grazie> beltz: but it's not the same as a fresh install of xubuntu..you are just adding the xubuntu packages
[12:51] <vrkhans> ya
[12:51] <Dimensions> umm
[12:51] <Dimensions> da kam zay ?
[12:51] <maxamillion> beltz: use synaptic to install it ... just search for "xubuntu-desktop" it is what's called a meta package that will install everything you need and won't erase any data you have now .... after you install it you can select "xfce" as your session from the login screen
[12:51] <vrkhans> not the pure one :-)
[12:52] <Dimensions> lol okie dokie ..
[12:52] <vrkhans> and you
[12:52] <grazie> vrkhans: just check the disk you burnt is ok
[12:52] <Dimensions> yeah but not at home country ...
[12:52] <beltz> maxamillion, thanks, and will my computer run as fast as if I didnt install ubuntu first
[12:52] <beltz> ?
[12:52] <vrkhans> i think it is ok because i got the same problem with kubuntu
[12:52] <beltz> (thanks to grazie as well)
[12:53] <vrkhans> when i try to instal that
[12:53] <vrkhans> dimensions mean either
[12:54] <maxamillion> beltz: no ... it would actually be faster if you install xubuntu fresh and erase everything because of certain libraries and such that are loaded default with standard ubuntu
[12:54] <beltz> Okay. I didnt install much yet so I dont mind formatting, so I think I'll do that now.
[12:55] <Jester45> beltz: you could write down what you did install
[12:55] <Jester45> so you get reinstall it faster
[12:56] <beltz> Thanks, I think I only installed Xchat though hehe... I only need a browser, mail client and irc :)
[12:57] <maxamillion> beltz: Xubuntu can do that with speed and style :)
[12:57] <Jester45> yep
[12:58] <oslo> where could i find the Xubuntu usplsash with Xubuntu write in silver ???
[12:58] <oslo> *usplash
[12:58] <beltz> alright, im off to battle, cya on xubuntu soon
[12:58] <maxamillion> oslo: not sure if one has been made
[12:59] <oslo> maxamillion> yes it was
[12:59] <oslo> i seen iy few month
[12:59] <oslo> *it
[01:00] <Dimensions> has any one tried installing xubuntu on usb flash drive ?
[01:00] <maxamillion> oslo: oh, awesome ... well then i wouldn't be the one to tell you where to find it
[01:00] <maxamillion> Dimensions: yeah, i forget who ... someone came in here recently saying they had done it on a 1gb flash drive
[01:01] <Dimensions> im having hard luck installing on 2GB usb drive ...
[01:04] <Beltz> Sorry again guys - I'm on Xubuntu LiveCD but I thought I had downloaded 6.10, and yet it says 6.06. Is it possible that the livecd is 6.06 but that once installed it will be 6.06? How can I verify?
[01:05] <Dimensions> 6.10 is Edgy
[01:05] <Beltz> Ya, it's still a stable version though, right?
[01:05] <maxamillion> Beltz: when you say "it says 6.06" do you mean the documentation that pops up in firefox?
[01:05] <Dimensions> yeah it is ...
[01:06] <Beltz> maxamillion:  yes
[01:06] <Beltz> So perhaps it is 6.10? How can I double-check?
[01:06] <maxamillion> Beltz: yeah, that was just because during the 6.10 development cycle we didn't have enough man power to update the documentation for 6.10 (a problem that has been fixed and won't be an issue in the upcoming release)
[01:06] <Jester45> 6.10 and 6.06 are both stable, 6.10 is newer but 6.06 is LongTermSupport
[01:07] <maxamillion> Beltz: open a terminal and type "uname -r" ... if it says 2.6.17-(something) you have edgy
[01:07] <Beltz> Is longtermsupport something absolutely necessary? I thought #xubuntu was my support team :)
[01:07] <maxamillion> Beltz: long time support is more for people using xubuntu in a business environment, i run xubuntu at home and at work and its edgy all the way
[01:07] <Jester45> maxamillion: what about searching for 6.06 on all docs and if one appers change it to 6.10
[01:07] <Beltz> Looks like I am ready to go: 2.6.17-10-generic
[01:08] <maxamillion> Jester45: because there were changes in 6.10 so some of the docs wouldn't be relevant
[01:08] <Beltz> Okay, it's for home so I'm gonna install edgy now, thanks a lot guys
[01:08] <maxamillion> Beltz: anytime :)
[01:08] <Beltz> Oh ya - do you know if Xubuntu easily supports japanese language (for webpages and input only, not menus)
[01:09] <maxamillion> Beltz: yes
[01:09] <maxamillion> Beltz: i think its all built in to be honest
[01:09] <Jester45> Beltz: edgy's (6.10) support time is 6 months (i think) and drapper's (6.06) is 6 years... most people in here will still help you with edgy after time is up
[01:10] <Beltz> haha, I just noticed the LiveCD itself supported japanese on websites, so I shouldn't have even asked
[01:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: dapper is 3 years desktop, 5 years server
[01:10] <Jester45> maxamillion: i would of helped but... i wouldnt know if its relevent
[01:10] <Jester45> maxamillion: aaa close
[01:11] <maxamillion> :P
[01:14] <Beltz> What is the default root password, before my main user account modifies it?
[01:15] <maxamillion> Beltz: there isn't one
[01:16] <maxamillion> Beltz: the main user is the admin and thus the "sudo user" and can do "sudo su" to become root, but there is no root password unless you explicitely enable the root account
[01:16] <Jester45> well played
[01:16] <Beltz> sudo = do an action as another user?
[01:17] <Jester45> super user do
[01:17] <Beltz> If I want to install something requiring root access, like drivers - I have to enable the root account and then use it?
[01:17] <Jester45> no
[01:17] <Jester45> you do
[01:17] <Jester45> sudo commandhere
[01:17] <maxamillion> !sudo
[01:17] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:17] <maxamillion> :)
[01:17] <Beltz> Ahh
[01:17] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[01:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:17] <maxamillion> good bot
[01:18] <Beltz> !botsnack
[01:18] <Jester45> makes a temporary like root user
[01:18] <Beltz> It doens't look hungry...
[01:18] <maxamillion> :(
[01:19] <Beltz> When you "sudo command", it does an action as superuser. Is it a good idea then to put a password on the root account so that it will prompt for a password when you try to "sudo something"?
[01:20] <Beltz> !sudo
[01:20] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:20] <Beltz> It just doesn't want a snack right now I think.
[01:20] <Jester45> no it should ask you for the password anyways
[01:20] <Beltz> Should I use ext3 or is there anything cooler and better on gparted
[01:21] <Beltz> I want to impress my friends
[01:21] <maxamillion> Beltz: something like "sudo aptitude install vim" will ask for your password because you are the administrator account and then it will perform the action with super user privilages
[01:21] <Jester45> fat16 :)
[01:21] <maxamillion> Beltz: i like ext3 ... it has been good to me
[01:21] <h_yama> hi all!sorry for the faq, but what should i modify in order to run the desktop at 1600x1200?
[01:21] <maxamillion> h_yama: /etc/X11/xorg.conf <--that's the file
[01:21] <maxamillion> !xorg
[01:21] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:21] <maxamillion> h_yama: that link ^^^
[01:22] <h_yama> ohoki tried it but i think it didnt work,1600x1200 doesnt even show up on the list of availabledefs....
[01:22] <maxamillion> h_yama: but this is xubuntu so you won't have gedit if the link asks you to use it ...
[01:22] <h_yama> thank you
[01:22] <maxamillion> h_yama: no problem
[01:22] <Jester45> Beltz: i would use ext3 i copy a dvd iso (about 4GB) in under a minute
[01:22] <Jester45> Beltz:try that with windows
[01:22] <h_yama> :) i apt-getted gedit immediately.. thanksagain
[01:23] <syamajala> it works now
[01:23] <syamajala> but looks ugly
[01:23] <Jester45> syamajala: whATS UGLy
[01:23] <syamajala> actually its not that ugly its just my eyes
[01:24] <Beltz> In "Mount Points" in the installation process, can I change the names to something less cryptic to me than "/media/hd1" for my other drivers? Or do they need those default names
[01:25] <maxamillion> h_yama: well ... you could have just used mousepad in place of gedit (they are both just text editors) but gedit will work :)
[01:25] <maxamillion> Beltz: not sure, i always leave them alone
[01:25] <Jester45> Beltz: i would just leave them you will learn that the hdb1 is very usefull
[01:25] <Beltz> ok
[01:26] <Beltz> oh no its formatting, better leave this chat now. Thanks again guys, bye
[01:26] <syamajala> i'm at the partitioning part
[01:26] <syamajala> but it doesn't see my osx partitions
[01:27] <maxamillion> syamajala: really?
[01:27] <maxamillion> syamajala: that's strange...
[01:27] <maxamillion> syamajala: i might recommend partitioning with OS X's disk utility first just to be sage
[01:28] <maxamillion> safe*
[01:28] <syamajala> right now i have 2 partitions
[01:28] <h_yama> :) thanks for the help,reboot to see if it works
[01:28] <syamajala> 1 for osx and 1 for osx
[01:29] <syamajala> i wanna use the second one
[01:31] <maxamillion> syamajala: hmmm.... i would honestly use the OS X disk utility and delete the second one and leave it as unpartitioned space and i think the xubuntu installer will just install it to the free space on the hard drive
[01:33] <grazie> syamajala: you just need to set mounts
[01:33] <grazie> maxamillion: can do that what os x disk tool :( Wipe only!
[01:33] <grazie> *can't
[01:34] <maxamillion> grazie: wow ... that's horribly stupid of Apple
[01:34] <maxamillion> well ... not stupid, just annoying
[01:34] <grazie> ah but there's very expensive extra tools you can buy!
[01:34] <maxamillion> lol
[01:36] <grazie> maxamillion: i think even hardened os x fans use linux live disks quite frequently now
[01:37] <Jester45> they are very nice
[01:37] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, i do too
[01:37] <grazie> don't we all?
[01:37] <Jester45> i would say ubuntu has the best becuase of ShipIt
[01:38] <Prisoner_> good evening all
[01:38] <Jester45> if you have only one computer and its crashed a little free mailed live cd can fix it all
[01:38] <Jester45> hello
[01:38] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: hi
[01:39] <Prisoner_> Got Xubuntu 6.10 installed on my main PC now
[01:39] <Jester45> thats good
[01:40] <Prisoner_> it amazed me it only took around 45 minutes or so to install
[01:41] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: you on older hardware? ... my home machine can do it in about 10-15 minutes and my work machine in 5-10 minutes
[01:41] <Prisoner_> it's a 1.583ghz AMD Semprron with 512MB RAM
[01:41] <Prisoner_> I was setting up a dual boot
[01:41] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: ahhh, ok ... fair enough
[01:42] <Prisoner_> It may have been around 30 minutes or so
[01:42] <Jester45> got you beat on ram by far
[01:42] <Prisoner_> now I need to put some apps on it, like a good media player, a good CD/DVD writing program
[01:42] <Jester45> growisofs :0
[01:42] <Prisoner_> already downloaded OpenOFfice
[01:43] <Jester45> and mplayer
[01:43] <Rob-West> how much space does Xubuntu need
[01:43] <Jester45> 2gb or a little less
[01:43] <maxamillion> Rob-West: full install with extra space for things, i say 5gb to be safe
[01:43] <Rob-West> will it work on a 1 gig pendrive
[01:44] <maxamillion> Rob-West: i have heard of it working, yes
[01:44] <Prisoner_> someone earlier recommended vlc to me
[01:44] <maxamillion> Rob-West: but i wouldn't be able to tell you how ... i think you would have to use the alternate image and so some trickery
[01:44] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: very good application
[01:44] <Prisoner_> on another PC, I experimented with K3B running under Xubuntu
[01:44] <Jester45> Rob-West: i would say you would have to slim it down a lot
[01:44] <Prisoner_> vlx looks  like it can play anything
[01:45] <Prisoner_> I tried to play a DVD using gxine and it locked up
[01:45] <Jester45> Prisoner_: mplayer plays more
[01:45] <Prisoner_> I'm also wondering if I need to do anything with my nVidia video card
[01:45] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone here used dsl
[01:45] <maxamillion> Prisoner_: yeah ... gxine is good, but it needs alot of extras installed to get its full potential, vlc just works
[01:45] <Jester45>   bigfuzzyjesus i have
[01:45] <maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: yeah ... since it was at version 0.1.3
[01:45] <Prisoner_> I'll try VLC first, then perhaps Mplayer
[01:45] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: i used it a few days ago
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, so you use it daily
[01:46] <Jester45> Prisoner_: dont get put away by the mplayer gui i prefer the cli all you have to do is mplayer filehere
[01:47] <maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: no, just on occasion ... i used to burn it to business card cds so i could carry it in my pocket, but now i just use it on a usb pen drive
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, how often do you use it
[01:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, yeah
[01:48] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: ummm.. once a week
[01:49] <beltz> This is ridiculous. One of my main reasons for never trying Linux before was that I thought the installation would be complicated. Windows XP takes me 45+ minutes to install. Xubuntu took me 10 (just enough time to water my plants haha)
[01:49] <beltz> !nvidia
[01:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:49] <Prisoner_> what do you recommend for CD/DVD burning software?  I have some MPEG 4 PAL videos I want to burn to DVD
[01:49] <Jester45> thats what many people think
[01:49] <Prisoner_> I ran the Xubuntu update feature and it had alot of updates to download
[01:50] <Jester45> Prisoner_: yep thats a good think
[01:50] <maxamillion> beltz: :)
[01:50] <maxamillion> beltz: linux used to be a much larger ordeal than it is today
[01:50] <beltz> Do you actually recommend staying with default xubuntu display drivers, rather than using the NVidia ones? Besides the fact that they aren't open source, any reason not to use them (are the default ones good?)
[01:50] <Prisoner_> I have the same question as I'm running a Geforce 5500
[01:50] <Jester45> Prisoner_:  http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/2058219
[01:51] <maxamillion> beltz: i use the nvidia-glx drivers .... i prefer them, i don't care that they aren't open source ... they make things run more smoothly
[01:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> Prisoner_, i use the same card, i like having it with the drivers, i dont konw why but i do
[01:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, same here
[01:51] <Prisoner_> thanks for the link
[01:51] <Jester45> you can us them but they are slow it takes more cpu to play games and movies than with the binary drivers
[01:52] <Jester45> Prisoner_: i got a script that will convert files for you
[01:52] <grazie> open source graphic card drivers just don't support 3d...yet!
[01:53] <Prisoner_> I'm using the drivers that come with Xubuntu.  Haven't decided if I'm going to change them yet
[01:53] <Jester45> Prisoner_: http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/MencoderDVDmaker.sh
[01:54] <Jester45> it isnt completely done yet
[01:54] <maxamillion> beltz: you used the bot!!!! :) .... ::high five::
[01:54] <Jester45> it doesnt author the dvd but its allmost done
[01:54] <beltz> !beltzsnack
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beltzsnack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:55] <Jester45> !botsnake | maxamillion
[01:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnake - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:55] <Jester45> a darn
[01:55] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[01:55] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:55] <maxamillion> *
[01:55] <maxamillion> :)
[01:55] <Jester45> !botsnack | maxamillion
[01:55] <ubotu> maxamillion: please see above
[01:55] <maxamillion> lol
[01:56] <Jester45> owned
[01:56] <syamajala> ok
[01:56] <syamajala> had to eat dinner
[01:56] <maxamillion> annnnnnnddddd..... i'm off work, ttyl
[01:57] <beltz> How do I automatically launch uh... "linux update" hehe
[01:57] <beltz> When I installed Ubuntu it ran automatically, but it hasn't ran yet on Xubuntu. I take it I have to click something...
[01:58] <syamajala> grazie: i'm a little confused about what i need to do
[01:58] <Jester45> hey cellofellow !!!!!!
[01:58] <Jester45> guess what
[01:58] <cellofellow> hey there.
[01:58] <cellofellow> what?
[01:59] <Jester45> i figured out how to make the little icon work on firefox
[01:59] <Jester45> the icon next to the url
[01:59] <cellofellow> favicon.
[01:59] <cellofellow> cool
[01:59] <cellofellow> Guess what
[01:59] <Jester45> what
[01:59] <cellofellow> E16 does NOT make a good replacement for XFWM4.
[02:00] <Jester45> lol
[02:00] <Jester45> i could of told you that
[02:00] <syamajala> cellofellow: metacity is ok though
[02:00] <syamajala> the themes look better
[02:00] <cellofellow> I had to try. XFCE with E16. I thought it would work great. E16 on its own is well sort of lame.
[02:00] <syamajala> i tried kdesktop once
[02:01] <grazie> syamajala: in terminal do the following...you need to replace by dummy value in the with real ones
[02:01] <Jester45> this is an example <link rel="shortcut icon" href="linkto/your/icon/here/please.png" TYPE="image/png">
[02:01] <Prisoner_> trying to play a DVD in VLC
[02:01] <Jester45> you put that under the <title>
[02:01] <cellofellow> Jester45: yeah, cool huh.
[02:01] <grazie> syamajala: mkdir /media/osx
[02:02] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: works great here. VLC is my prefered DVD player.
[02:02] <Prisoner_> not getting anywhere
[02:02] <grazie> syamajala: sudo mount /dev/hda? /mnt/osx
[02:03] <Jester45> i like mplayer
[02:03] <grazie> syamajala: if you want to mount os x drive(s) on every boot you need to edit /etc/fstab
[02:03] <posingaspopular> Prisoner_: whats the issue?
[02:04] <grazie> syamajala: there's lots of examples in the ubuntu ppc forum
[02:04] <Prisoner_> don't know
[02:04] <Prisoner_> I put the disk in either drive and it mounts and shows up on the desktop
[02:04] <cellofellow> Jester45: mplayer doesn't do menus. :(
[02:04] <grazie> Prisoner_: have you install libdvdcss yet?
[02:04] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: don't mount
[02:05] <Prisoner_> I unmounted it
[02:05] <Jester45> cellofellow: thats what y ou think
[02:05] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: open VLC, and File > Open DIsc
[02:06] <cellofellow> Jester45: what's it take to get mplayer to play menus?
[02:06] <beltz> I'm in thunar and I want to see my other harddrivers and partitions... but they don't show up. Help1
[02:07] <cellofellow> add them to /etc/fstab
[02:07] <beltz> Oh nevermind
[02:07] <beltz> its in Filesystem/media or something
[02:07] <syamajala> grazie: but gparted still shows 1 big empty partition in the installer
[02:08] <syamajala> my osx partition is /dev/hda3
[02:08] <grazie> syamajala: you're on the live cd?
[02:08] <syamajala> yeah
[02:08] <Prisoner_> still nothing
[02:08] <grazie> Prisoner_: have you installed libdvdcss yet?
[02:08] <Prisoner_> I don't think so
[02:09] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: I think you need libdvdread and libdvdcss. Get libdvdcss form Seveas or Medibuntu
[02:09] <cellofellow> one sec...
[02:09] <grazie> Prisoner_: can't play dvds without it!
[02:09] <Prisoner_> thanks
[02:09] <cellofellow> CAN play unnencrypted dvds without libdvdcss, but can't play any without libdvdread
[02:10] <Prisoner_> have libdvdread
[02:10] <grazie> syamajala: sorry
[02:10] <syamajala> cfdisk also says my partition table is empty
[02:10] <cellofellow> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com
[02:11] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: ^^^ for libdvdcss and w32codecs. Skype and Google Earth too.
[02:12] <Prisoner_> dependency hell, something I'm going to hate about Linux
[02:12] <cellofellow> syamajala: something went wrong and you should just format I think.
[02:12] <grazie> syamajala: I don't understand. Can you boot your installed xubuntu?
[02:12] <cellofellow> Prisoner_: naaaah. It's proprietary codecs and DRM hell.
[02:12] <syamajala> grazie: i haven't installed it yet
[02:12] <syamajala> i booted the fresh cd
[02:12] <syamajala> and i'm trying to install it
[02:13] <grazie> syamajala: sorry I though you had completed the install
[02:13] <syamajala> i'm at the partitioning part and it says /dev/hda is empty
[02:13] <posingaspopular> codec is a fun word
[02:13] <grazie> syamajala: just select use largest free space then from the menu
[02:13] <posingaspopular> i used it in a poem and all the creative writing students jumped down my throath because they didnt know what it meant. a bit offtopic sorry
[02:13] <cellofellow> codec == enCOde DEcode. It's a spec, a file format for A/V stuff.
[02:18] <grazie> syamajala: also don't use cfdisk on a Mac disk...use mac-fdisk
[02:18] <cellofellow> that's prolly where the problems started.
[02:18] <grazie> syamajala: or fdisk ^^
[02:19] <syamajala> ah ok
[02:20] <beltz> Is there an open source driver I can find that will let me take advantage of a 5 button mouse? Right now my 2 side buttons don't seem to be doing anything.
[02:21] <beltz> And  I didn't find anything under Settings/Mouse
[02:23] <grazie> beltz: look at >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Activate_side-mouse-buttons_in_FireFox
[02:23] <grazie> beltz: works for all browsers
[02:23] <beltz> thanks
[02:26] <Prisoner_> got it play, but all I get is gibberish, hmmm
[02:26] <beltz> I typed gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.con and it says "sudo: gedit: command not found".
[02:26] <beltz> I know this is all really newbiish, but as soon as I get my absolute necessities running I'll start learning a bit more on my own :P
[02:27] <grazie> beltz: replace gedit with mousepad
[02:28] <Prisoner_> might be a video driver thing
[02:28] <grazie> Prisoner_: using vlc?
[02:28] <Prisoner_> yep
[02:28] <grazie> Prisoner_: you should be fine!
[02:29] <Prisoner_> I didn't mount the volume
[02:29] <grazie> no don't
[02:29] <grazie> Prisoner_: tried another dvd?
[02:30] <Prisoner_> don't have one handy
[02:30] <Prisoner_> but I know this DVD is good
[02:31] <grazie> Prisoner_: mplayer can cope with more, but I've never had a problem with vlc
[02:33] <syamajala> ok i'm back
[02:33] <syamajala> i keep being interrupted
[02:34] <grazie> don't we all!
[02:34] <syamajala> ok
[02:35] <syamajala> i deleted my osx partition with mac-fdisk
[02:36] <beltz> What's the difference between restarting the computer, or doing control-alt-backspace?
[02:36] <cheaters1ealm> is there a clipboard history in xubuntu?
[02:37] <Jester45> beltz: control alt backspace only restarts the xserver
[02:37] <Jester45> beltz: a complete restart would be everything like the kernal and other core system things
[02:38] <beltz> !xserver
[02:38] <grazie> syamajala: why did you delete os x? (could have use gparted too)
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <Jester45> !xorg
[02:38] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:38] <beltz> Ah! The bot doesn't know what Xserver is either. So I don't have to feel too stupid :P
[02:38] <syamajala> grazie: gparted kept saying that my whole disk was free
[02:39] <beltz> or is xorg and xserver the same?
[02:39] <grazie> beltz: linux users don't like restarting....windows users have no choice!
[02:39] <grazie> syamajala: odd?
[02:39] <Jester45> beltz: its just a diffrent way to call it the "xserver" is your window system aka xorg aka X
[02:40] <syamajala> yeah so i'm just gonna make them myself and see if the installer will work
[02:40] <Jester45> the same
[02:40] <beltz> And do I need to close my apps like this chat before restarting xserver?
[02:40] <Jester45> beltz: X xserver xorg are all the same
[02:40] <Jester45> no
[02:40] <grazie> syamajala: why did you delete os x?
[02:40] <Jester45> you can just restart
[02:40] <syamajala> i have 2 osx partitions
[02:40] <grazie> ok
[02:40] <syamajala> 1 is 5gb and 1 is 55
[02:40] <syamajala> so i got rid of the 5
[02:41] <grazie> syamajala: can you still boot os x?
[02:42] <syamajala> uh i didn't try yet
[02:42] <grazie> I'm concerned you may have deleted your partition table partition
[02:43] <Jester45> syamajala: would you know if the 5gb was the first partiti?
[02:43] <syamajala> yeah
[02:43] <syamajala> it wasn't
[02:43] <syamajala> it was hda6
[02:44] <Jester45> good
[02:45] <Jester45> i all ways wondered why xubuntu trys to use hda5 as default swap
[02:45] <grazie> syamajala: in a terminal do 'sudo mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda' and pastebin the output
[02:45] <grazie> !pastebin | syamajala
[02:45] <ubotu> syamajala: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:46] <mic50k> hi all
[02:47] <Jester45> hi
[02:48] <syamajala> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6799/
[02:48] <mic50k> i have an issue with network, when i boot lsmod shows tulip ok, but i have to deactivate and then activate eth0 for it to work??
[02:49] <grazie> syamajala: that's fine!
[02:50] <Jester45> anyone here use azureus? how much cache do you have for it
[02:50] <grazie> Jester45: I thought you used delude?
[02:51] <grazie> *deluge
[02:51] <Jester45> nope
[02:51] <Jester45> never tried it
[02:51] <grazie> needs work...but it'll be good
[02:52] <Jester45> i want a utorrent port
[02:52] <Jester45> if i get a job soon i will try to pay the dev to port it
[02:52] <mic50k> dmesg says:  eth0: Autonegotiation failed, using 10baseT, link beat status 10c
[02:52] <grazie> Jester45: I've used it with wine...v.good
[02:53] <Jester45> nothing like the real thing
[02:53] <grazie> true
[02:53] <Jester45> i think all apps in wine are ugly
[02:53] <Jester45> unless they are games
[02:53] <grazie> does the job sometimes
[03:01] <syamajala> ok
[03:01] <syamajala> i made all the partitions i need
[03:01] <syamajala> 800k bootstrap
[03:01] <syamajala> 800mb swap
[03:01] <syamajala> and 4.3gb /
[03:02] <Jester45> how much ram do you have
[03:02] <syamajala> 764mb
[03:02] <Jester45> ok
[03:03] <Jester45> i would have trouble with that much ram/swap but it depends on what you do
[03:03] <syamajala> normally i never even touch the swap
[03:03] <syamajala> but i just make one for suspend2
[03:04] <Jester45> im a bit diffrent
[03:04] <Jester45> i have 2gb ram
[03:04] <Jester45> and im using 1940mb os it and 283 swap
[03:04] <Jester45> of*
[03:04] <syamajala> heh
[03:05] <syamajala> gparted still says its all empty
[03:06] <syamajala> i formatted my / and did mkswap
[03:06] <Jester45> i got a panel plugin that tells me
[03:06] <beltz> How can I add an application in the "Applications" menu to the launcher (where the default firefox icon is)?
[03:06] <Jester45> i need a ew w ram sticks
[03:06] <beltz> I tried the "add new item" option but it seems to require that I find the right file to launch, and I have no idea where they are located.
[03:07] <Jester45> beltz: im not sure what you mean, do you want a new item on the applications menu?
[03:07] <syamajala> is there a way to do the install from the command line
[03:07] <Jester45> or a new icon next to firefox
[03:08] <syamajala> if you just give it a root partition to work with
[03:08] <Jester45> syamajala: install? the complete install of xubuntu or do you mean a install of a program
[03:08] <syamajala> complete
[03:09] <beltz> Jester45: : i want to add a new icon next to Firefox
[03:09] <syamajala> the gui thing isn't working...
[03:09] <Jester45> syamajala: are you on the live cd or alternative install
[03:09] <syamajala> live cd
[03:09] <Jester45> beltz: ok what are you tring to start
[03:10] <Jester45> syamajala: why isnt it working
[03:10] <syamajala> gparted doesn't see any of my partitions
[03:10] <Jester45> aa talking to 2 people is hard :)
[03:10] <syamajala> it says the whole disk is empty still
[03:10] <Jester45> what type are they, are they mounted
[03:10] <beltz> jester: I want to add Terminal, Thunderbird and GAIM
[03:10] <syamajala> my / is xfs
[03:10] <syamajala> thats all there is
[03:10] <syamajala> its not mounted
[03:11] <Jester45> try mounting it
[03:11] <Jester45> i dont know if you have to do that
[03:12] <grazie> syamajala: you may still have the partition map partition, but it may have been corrupted
[03:12] <beltz> I also wanna add Thunar
[03:12] <Jester45> o yea you deleted stuffs
[03:12] <Jester45> beltz ok hold on one second
[03:13] <Jester45> beltz: i know how to do it but i dont have time rihgt now
[03:13] <syamajala> i can try booting osx
[03:13] <beltz> Okay<
[03:13] <grazie> syamajala: hang on...thinking....but mac-fdisk wouldn't have worked
[03:14] <Jester45> beltz: ok right click panel then add new item
[03:14] <Jester45> find laucher
[03:14] <grazie> syamajala: what did you mean ...'the gui thing isn't working'
[03:14] <syamajala> well its gparted
[03:15] <Jester45> make it and open the perties
[03:15] <syamajala> when i get to the partitioning part of the installation
[03:15] <beltz> ok
[03:15] <syamajala> gparted just says my whole disk is unallocated
[03:15] <beltz> i guess its the command I have no idea where to find.
[03:15] <Jester45> beltz: for Terminal type
[03:15] <grazie> syamajala: I thought you'd finished?
[03:15] <syamajala> nope...
[03:15] <grazie> O.o
[03:15] <syamajala> thats were i've been stuck
[03:16] <syamajala> at the partitioning
[03:16] <syamajala> where*
[03:16] <BFTD> hey all
[03:16] <BFTD> if anyone needs help
[03:16] <Jester45> beltz: Name: Terminal Description: what you want Command Terminal
[03:16] <BFTD> just message me
[03:16] <Jester45> hey BFTD its active in here tonight
[03:16] <BFTD> I should be on for a few hours
[03:16] <grazie> syamajala: have you got important stuff on the os x partition?
[03:17] <syamajala> wow
[03:17] <Jester45> beltz: or an icon you can click on the drop down menu thing and chose the terminal one
[03:17] <syamajala> i could of just did edit manually
[03:17] <syamajala> and clicked next
[03:17] <syamajala> because at the set mount point screen it sees the stuff i made
[03:17] <Jester45> for an icon*
[03:17] <grazie> syamajala: have you got important stuff on the os x partition?
[03:17] <syamajala> not really
[03:17] <syamajala> i just don't wanna reinstall os x
[03:17] <syamajala> but i think it should work now
[03:18] <beltz> Thanks a lot it works
[03:18] <Jester45> beltz: its the same thing for them all
[03:18] <beltz> Is there a default place where I can find the files that launch an application? Like thunderbird?
[03:18] <grazie> syamajala: you've most likely damaged the partition map somehow
[03:18] <beltz> I typed "Thunderbird" in the command but it didn't work...
[03:18] <Jester45> yes
[03:19] <grazie> syamajala: : if you have nothing will boot
[03:19] <Jester45> beltz: its in /usr/share/applications
[03:19] <Jester45> beltz: most are in there i will look for the binaries
[03:20] <beltz> okay
[03:20] <grazie> syamajala: you may be able to recover the data using the live cd, but with a damage partition map..... :(
[03:20] <Jester45> i think they are in /usr/bin
[03:20] <syamajala> mac-fdisk still works
[03:20] <beltz> I found thunderbird in usr/share/applications so I think I can figure this one now
[03:20] <beltz> Thanks a lot for your help Jester45
[03:20] <syamajala> and it shows all my partitions
[03:21] <grazie> syamajala: yes that I don't understand !
[03:21] <Jester45> beltz: yes /use/bin has them
[03:21] <syamajala> and the set mount point screen also does
[03:21] <Jester45> usr/bin *
[03:21] <beltz> okay
[03:21] <syamajala> its just gparted that is messed up
[03:21] <syamajala> because if i select manually edit partition table in the installer
[03:21] <grazie> syamajala: unless the partition map is cached in ram...?
[03:22] <syamajala> and click next after that without doing anything
[03:22] <syamajala> it works
[03:22] <syamajala> i don't think its in ram
[03:22] <syamajala> because i rebooted a bunch of times already
[03:22] <grazie> syamajala: I don't but....
[03:22] <syamajala> just to see if rebooting would fix gparted
[03:22] <grazie> syamajala: oh
[03:22] <Jester45> yea that seems to empty my ram also
[03:23] <grazie> syamajala: see if you can boot os x
[03:23] <syamajala> actually even if i do use entire disk
[03:23] <syamajala> o no
[03:23] <syamajala> nvm
[03:24] <grazie> yes
[03:24] <syamajala> i don't want use entire disk ;-p
[03:24] <grazie> syamajala: you need to see what state the machine is now in....no point in progressing
[03:25] <syamajala> lets see if osx boots
[03:25] <Jester45> beltz: anything else?
[03:25] <syamajala> boots fine
[03:25] <grazie> good news
[03:26] <syamajala> i think gparted doesn't like os x or something
[03:27] <grazie> syamajala: why did you stop the installation?
[03:29] <beltz> Umm... well the last thing I need today is to install Java sdk/jre + netbeans :P But I haven't even looked at how yet
[03:29] <grazie> syamajala: fdisk & cfdisk are not designed to work with Mac disks.
[03:29] <beltz> So maybe I should give it a try first before bothering you guys hehe
[03:29] <grazie> syamajala: I thought gparted could handle both dos and mac disks, but I'm certain as I don't use it
[03:29] <grazie> *I'm not
[03:30] <syamajala> i used mac-fdisk and made the partitions and went to the select mount point screen
[03:30] <syamajala> but it says it can't see my apple bootstrap partition
[03:30] <syamajala> i think i need to format it
[03:31] <syamajala> because it looks like it expects it to be hfsplus
[03:31] <grazie> syamajala: did you create a bootstrap partition?
[03:31] <syamajala> yep
[03:31] <syamajala> i didn't format it though
[03:31] <cheaters1ealm> what's the easiest to use virtualization enviornment (vmware, xen, etc) for running vista?
[03:32] <Jester45> try /bin/xvidtune its fun
[03:32] <Jester45> qemu
[03:32] <syamajala> will xen run vista?
[03:32] <cheaters1ealm> I have no idea what will run vista
[03:33] <grazie> syamajala: I'd suggest removing the partitions you created for xubuntu and leaving as free space and let the install create them
[03:33] <syamajala> grazie: i tried that
[03:33] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: use qemu
[03:33] <syamajala> it wanted to use my whole disk
[03:34] <cheaters1ealm> unless I use qemu cvs, it might not work
[03:34] <Jester45> why not
[03:34] <beltz> I'm downloading the Java JRE and I'm wondering: They offer to download either a self-extracting file, or a self-extracting RPM file. What's RPM?
[03:34] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/viewtopic.php?t=1982
[03:35] <Jester45> qemu acts as a machine shouldnt matters the os
[03:36] <grazie> syamajala: you should get 3 options..1. whole disk 2, largest free space 3. manual
[03:36] <syamajala> i only get 2 each time i tried the installer
[03:36] <syamajala> and i tried it at different times
[03:37] <syamajala> after i deleted my osx partition
[03:37] <syamajala> i tried it and only got use whole disk and manual
[03:37] <syamajala> and then after i made new ones but didn't format them i got the samething
[03:37] <Prisoner_> hi again
[03:38] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: yeah, qemu won't run vista...
[03:38] <Prisoner_> I'm planning to avoid Vista
[03:38] <Jester45> o well
[03:39] <cheaters1ealm> I got it for free through my school
[03:40] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: its not aNY GOod i had it on my laptop
[03:40] <cheaters1ealm> that's why I'm using virtualization
[03:40] <cheaters1ealm> :)
[03:40] <cheaters1ealm> I might virtualize XP too
[03:40] <Jester45> its not any good
[03:41] <beltz> Okay I'm lost again.
[03:41] <beltz> I downloaded Java JRE for linux, it has RPM in the file name, and the extension is bin. I also downloaded a bin file of the JDK with Netbeans. How do I install them? I also verified in Synaptic first and there was no java 6 listed...
[03:41] <DoctorDoog> is there a minimal install CD specifically for xubuntu?
[03:42] <syamajala> i can't format the bootstrap partition
[03:42] <cheaters1ealm> I could have sworn I installed java jdk through apt somehow
[03:42] <Jester45> nope
[03:42] <syamajala> it says it needs to be hfsplus
[03:42] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: you might have to install somthing for firefox
[03:43] <beltz> apt == synaptic?
[03:43] <DoctorDoog> I guess there's not?
[03:43] <cheaters1ealm> oh
[03:43] <cheaters1ealm> I installed 'sun-java5-jre' for the runtime stuff, but I might not get java in firefox
[03:43] <Jester45> beltz: apt is cli and synaptic is gui, also apt is the base for synaptic
[03:44] <beltz> Okay
[03:44] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: i will look for you on what i have
[03:44] <DoctorDoog> looks like my answer is no
[03:44] <cheaters1ealm> additionally, 'sun-java5-bin' got installed
[03:44] <cheaters1ealm> I have universe and multiverse in my sources, that might be how I got it
[03:44] <Jester45> beltz: apt is must simpler, apt-get install packagename and apt-cache search terms
[03:45] <grazie> DoctorDoog: no. but I suppose you could debian
[03:45] <DoctorDoog> by minimal CD, I mean where you boot the installer and rather than having any of the base packages it downloads them off of a mirror
[03:45] <beltz> I did find Java 5 in synaptic though... But JRE 6 and JDK6 are available on the sun site, but not on synaptic it seems.
[03:45] <Jester45> DoctorDoog: you can use debian's minimal install then change /etc/apot/sources.list and put the ubuntu server there
[03:46] <cheaters1ealm> did java6 get released?
[03:46] <Jester45> then apt-get reload and apt-get upgrade
[03:46] <DoctorDoog> I got one for ubuntu, but nobody in #ubuntu even believes it exists :P
[03:46] <cheaters1ealm> it *just* got realsed if it did
[03:46] <Jester45> its mostlikly not in thje repos yet
[03:46] <beltz> Yes java6 has been out for at least a month
[03:46] <cheaters1ealm> really?
[03:46] <cheaters1ealm> hrm
[03:47] <Jester45> DoctorDoog: if you got one its not officail
[03:49] <beltz> apt-get reload gave me: "E: Invalid operation reload"
[03:49] <beltz> I reloaded with Synaptic and it's not there still... Is there a way to just install a bin file otherwise
[03:49] <cheaters1ealm> apt-get update  (not reload) will download the new repo information
[03:50] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: all i have installed with "java" is java-common dun-java5-bin and un-java5-jre
[03:50] <cheaters1ealm> beltz: if the .bin extracts an RPM, no
[03:50] <beltz> I can download one without RPM
[03:50] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: I needed the sun packages, I guess
[03:50] <cheaters1ealm> beltz: get that one then
[03:51] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: the sun-java6 's are in repos i didnt know
[03:51] <cheaters1ealm> I have java5
[03:52] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: im going to try java6 i will tell you if it breaks ff or azureus
[03:52] <beltz> I have the non-RPM one now... jre-6-linux-i586.bin
[03:52] <cheaters1ealm> I only use ff
[03:52] <cheaters1ealm> beltz: maybe Jester45 will be able to let you know how to install it through apt, which is the preferred way
[03:53] <beltz> that would be really kind, if Jester45 has the time
[03:54] <syamajala> i was able to format my bootstrap partition
[03:55] <syamajala> with hformat
[03:55] <syamajala> but the installer still says there is no bootstrap partition
[03:59] <syamajala> grazie: if i start fresh do you think it would work?
[03:59] <syamajala> like i mean reinstall os x
[03:59] <Jester45> syamajala: it should work if you wipoe the whole drive
[03:59] <syamajala> i don't get why gparted isn't working
[03:59] <syamajala> i have everything there
[04:00] <syamajala> i formatted my bootstrap partition with hfs
[04:00] <syamajala> but it still says that i don't have on
[04:00] <syamajala> one
[04:01] <Jester45> if the partition table is bad then gparted doesnt know hwo ot read it
[04:01] <beltz> Jester45: I have downloaded the non-RPM java JRE6 now...
[04:01] <syamajala> but osx still boots fine
[04:01] <syamajala> and i can mount all the partitions i made from the live cd
[04:01] <syamajala> the gui installer can't see any of them though
[04:02] <Jester45> beltz: java6 is in the repos
[04:02] <syamajala> is there anyway i can install from the command line?
[04:02] <Jester45> beltz: you just type apt-get install sun-javaj6-jre
[04:02] <Jester45> o
[04:03] <Jester45> syamajala: idk about that
[04:03] <Jester45> java6*
[04:03] <Jester45> aa man
[04:03] <Jester45> i didnt know he was here
[04:05] <beltz> hehe do I need to add su or something before it?
[04:05] <beltz> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[04:05] <beltz> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:05] <Jester45> beltz: yea add sudo
[04:05] <beltz> ah, i forgot the do part
[04:06] <syamajala> it actually looks like there is something wrong with gparted
[04:06] <syamajala> i tried running gparted from the command line
[04:07] <syamajala> and i got error: the partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition.
[04:07] <syamajala> searching google i found this
[04:07] <syamajala> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/fedora-ppc/2005-August/000612.html
[04:08] <syamajala> that would probably explain why gparted thinks the whole disk is empty
[04:08] <Jester45> beltz: java6 works fine from the repos with firefox you can go to http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[04:09] <beltz> Im sorry but it still doesn't work. I also tried from the desktop folder, and also changing the file name to the one I downloaded... E: Couldn't find package sun-javaj6-jre
[04:09] <Jester45> o
[04:09] <Jester45> typo its sun-java6-jre
[04:09] <Jester45> sorry
[04:09] <beltz> I tried that too :P
[04:09] <Jester45> do you have the extra repos installed?
[04:10] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: you can add extra repos in synaptic
[04:10] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: i know i have them im asking beltz
[04:10] <beltz> Do you mean the Third Party thing in synaptic?
[04:10] <beltz> If so, no.
[04:11] <Jester45> he is trying to install java6 but apt cant find package
[04:11] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: right, but if you didn't know that, I thought you might want to know before telling them to edit /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[04:11] <beltz> I did check the option "software restricted by copyright (multiverse)"
[04:11] <Jester45> beltz: open synaptic and enable the universe and multiverse
[04:11] <Jester45> then reload
[04:11] <Jester45> then close
[04:12] <Jester45> then run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" without quotes
[04:13] <avatar_> is it possible to install *buntu on a disk allready running XP by resizing the NTFS-partition?
[04:14] <beltz> All options are selected (universe and multiverse included), I reloaded and downloaded updates or whatever, I closed synaptic - it doesn't work yet :(
[04:14] <Jester45> avatar_: yes its possible but you might messup your ntfs partition
[04:14] <kalikiana> avatar_, of course, as long as you make a backup just in case :)
[04:14] <Jester45> beltz: are you on drapper or edgy
[04:14] <avatar_> great :)
[04:15] <avatar_> jester45, thnx
[04:15] <avatar_> kalikiana, thnx
[04:15] <kalikiana> :)
[04:15] <syamajala> so
[04:15] <Jester45> :)
[04:15] <syamajala> i guess i'll try a fresh install of osx tomorrow
[04:15] <kalikiana> Jester45, that was kind of a teamwork :P
[04:15] <syamajala> if that does nothing then it is probably gparted that is causing the problem
[04:16] <syamajala> and i will give up.
[04:16] <Jester45> kalikiana: yep good job team
[04:16] <beltz> Some websites are saying that to install Java, I should install Automatix and use that to install it...
[04:16] <beltz> Jester45:  I am on edgy
[04:16] <beltz> or 6.10
[04:17] <syamajala> i can also look at fedora
[04:17] <Jester45> kalikiana: maybe we could teamup for beltz he said he has all 4 repos installed and he updated the cache but apt still cant find the package sun-java6-jre
[04:17] <syamajala> anyway i'm going to bed now
[04:18] <syamajala> thanks
[04:18] <Jester45> syamajala: no just stay here
[04:18] <syamajala> haha
[04:18] <Jester45> syamajala: thats what i do
[04:18] <beltz> Jester: Maybe we could do this with VNC? But then again, that would require me figuring out how to install VNC haha
[04:19] <Jester45> 24/7 tech support all by my self
[04:19] <cheaters1ealm> it would be easier to use ssh, but giving someone else access to your computer is a Bad Thing
[04:19] <kalikiana> beltz, Jester45: I have everything but restricted repo, java6 is showing up. hm...
[04:19] <Jester45> beltz: yes we could do that
[04:19] <cheaters1ealm> ssh is easy to set up :)
[04:19] <Jester45> kalikiana: backports maybe?
[04:19] <Jester45> beltz: try enabling the backports
[04:20] <beltz> backwhat
[04:20] <cheaters1ealm> beltz: it's a repository
[04:20] <Jester45> its a repo do the same as the universe and multiverse
[04:20] <beltz> Backported updates?
[04:21] <Jester45> beltz: yes
[04:21] <beltz> Yay, java6 shows up.
[04:21] <beltz> I guess that was it.
[04:21] <Jester45> hello kalikiana_ :) welcome to #xubuntu
[04:21] <Jester45> i own
[04:21] <kalikiana_> Jester45, I have multiverse, main and universe but no backports. I'm on Edgy like him/her.
[04:21] <kalikiana_> *g
[04:22] <kalikiana_> Oh, so it's there now?
[04:22] <beltz> Is there a disadvantage from using apt instead of synaptic? Will I be able to uninstall stuff from synaptic, even if installed from the other?
[04:22] <kalikiana_> !welcome | Jester45
[04:22] <ubotu> Jester45: Hello and welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions or help others. If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic and for developer discussion, see #xubuntu-devel :)
[04:22] <Jester45> kalikiana its not he/she its a it
[04:22] <beltz> Jester45++
[04:22] <beltz> (guess that doesnt work here)
[04:22] <beltz> Jester45: I was gonna make that joke too :(
[04:22] <Jester45> i got beltz kodos
[04:23] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: good work, and thanks for the heads up on java6
[04:23] <beltz> Thank you so much everyone
[04:23] <Jester45> i think of any person on a irc linux tech support as a guy
[04:23] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: you really do cheat you way out of "fun"
[04:23] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: you're probably right 99%
[04:24] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: right now vista is installing in vmware
[04:24] <cheaters1ealm> actually installed
[04:24] <Jester45> and many that say they are girls just want to be special and get suppport faster
[04:24] <Jester45> chim telling you its not good
[04:24] <Jester45> xp was better
[04:25] <cheaters1ealm> there's a reason I'm not trying to install vista on a regular partition
[04:25] <cheaters1ealm> the fact of the matter is, if vista runs in a vm, and it does vs.net 2k5, and syncs with my phone.. I'll probably keep it
[04:25] <Jester45> i wish the xubuntu live cd could run in ram like DSL
[04:26] <cheaters1ealm> Jester45: just get a computer with more ram :)
[04:26] <cheaters1ealm> I had a computer with like 4gb of ram or something crazy
[04:26] <cheaters1ealm> it ran knoppix so fast
[04:26] <Jester45> cheaters1ealm: i go 2gb
[04:26] <cheaters1ealm> hrm, I dunno then
[04:26] <Jester45> the live cd just dosent support it
[04:27] <cheaters1ealm> it had 4 cpus, maybe that was why
[04:27] <Jester45> i smell bs
[04:27] <cheaters1ealm> 4x550mhz processor, 2 or 4 gb ram, a cdrom drive, dual power supplies
[04:27] <cheaters1ealm> it was a 4U rackmount compaq server
[04:28] <cheaters1ealm> I'm pretty sure the laptop-sized cdrom drive wasn't that fast
[04:28] <Jester45> thats not much cpu
[04:28] <cheaters1ealm> combined it is
[04:28] <Jester45> 2.1ghz?
[04:28] <cheaters1ealm> 2.2, but yeah
[04:28] <Jester45> or
[04:28] <cheaters1ealm> and it was knoppmyth, not vista
[04:28] <Jester45> 2.2
[04:28] <Jester45> not that much
[04:29] <Jester45> intel core duo is better
[04:29] <cheaters1ealm> whatever the case may be, it ran knoppix very quickly
[04:29] <Jester45> or even a single althlon
[04:29] <Jester45> knoppix is little becuase it has to run on cd
[04:29] <cheaters1ealm> this was like 2 years ago I had this
[04:30] <cheaters1ealm> vista booting is very disk/cpu intensive... it's making my music skip
[04:30] <Jester45> well then its nice but still... a file server has 64gb ram now
[04:30] <cheaters1ealm> my fileserver only has 1gb :(
[04:30] <Jester45> make your music less nice
[04:31] <cheaters1ealm> that reminds me, I should have it cache more disk in memory
[04:32] <Jester45> lol
[04:32] <Jester45> whats vmware default to ? 128?
[04:32] <Jester45> qemu defaults to 128
[04:32] <cheaters1ealm> it's got the sata raid and the gigabit ethernet all on the same pci bus
[04:32] <cheaters1ealm> vmware is using 512mb ram
[04:32] <cheaters1ealm> depends on the system I think
[04:33] <Jester45> i do say java6 is nice
[04:33] <cheaters1ealm> yeah?
[04:33] <Jester45> making azureus run faster
[04:33] <cheaters1ealm> I hate java threads from java5
[04:33] <cheaters1ealm> getting stuff to work in swing was a pain
[04:33] <Jester45> and zap my internet speed
[04:34] <Jester45> the only thing i use java for is torrents and vnc
[04:34] <cheaters1ealm> "Please wait while windows checks your computer's peformance"
[04:34] <Jester45> lol
[04:35] <Jester45> gonna have fun time with thatg
[04:35] <kalikiana_> so now you get your 4d-superpower-rating, right? *har
[04:35] <Jester45> emulated vista
[04:35] <cheaters1ealm> it's running in a vmware, competing with folding at home, and I'm using the computer it's being hosted on while it checks the performance
[04:35] <Jester45> what version did you get
[04:35] <cheaters1ealm> business
[04:35] <Jester45> i got the premium
[04:36] <cheaters1ealm> if I need dx10 and gaming, I'll get vista
[04:36] <Jester45> i dont like it
[04:36] <cheaters1ealm> until I buy a dx10 card, I'm not going to buy vista
[04:36] <Jester45> i installed xp and gemtoo
[04:36] <Jester45> gentoo
[04:36] <cheaters1ealm> I like the look of vista
[04:36] <cheaters1ealm> not that I've gotten to the desktop yet
[04:37] <Jester45> lol
[04:38] <Jester45> hehe
[04:38] <cheaters1ealm> hrm, I'm at the desktop
[04:38] <cheaters1ealm> it's still pegging the disk though
[04:38] <cheaters1ealm> I'll just let that run :)
[04:39] <Jester45> well im gonna go also
[04:39] <cheaters1ealm> ta ta
[04:40] <Jester45> check on bqackups and dishes
[04:46] <vrkhans> problem
[04:46] <beltz> How do I change the owner to root.root for a file? Right now it says Beltz(beltz) in the properties menu.
[04:46] <vrkhans> I tried to install the xubuntu
[04:47] <vrkhans> but fail got this error msg on my screen signal out of range
[04:55] <Jester45> beltz: type gksu thunar
[04:56] <Jester45> ok?
[04:56] <Jester45> gksu is like sudo but for a gui
[04:57] <Jester45> you can use sudo for gui apps but its not that greaT
[04:57] <Jester45> sometimes it messes up gksu is better
[04:58] <beltz> okay
[04:58] <beltz> I found a way to do it with chown though
[04:58] <beltz> But that sounds useful too
[04:58] <beltz> for the future
[04:59] <Jester45> well...
[04:59] <Jester45> its faster
[04:59] <Jester45> ok im gonna explain a few things
[04:59] <beltz> ok
[04:59] <Jester45> with windows a gui app has its own commands and things for the most part
[05:00] <Jester45> but in linux you have cli and gui apps
[05:00] <Jester45> many gui just combine cli apps or make it easier to use like auto config and other things
[05:00] <Jester45> so say for thunar
[05:00] <Jester45> when you go into a new folder
[05:01] <Jester45> it uses the "ls" command
[05:01] <beltz> ya
[05:01] <Jester45> when removing a file "rm" and foler "rm -rf"
[05:01] <Jester45> and changing owner... chown
[05:02] <Jester45> so for many things gui apps are just "front-ends" meaning they only tell other things what to do
[05:02] <beltz> ya
[05:02] <Jester45> acid rip for an example is a front end to mencoder
[05:03] <Jester45> mencoder has a few 1000 options
[05:03] <Jester45> the acid rip front end is for ripping dvds
[05:03] <beltz> So when you type that command before a GUI app, the gui app knows that it should apply that command to the ones it uses (in some cases I assume)?
[05:03] <Jester45> so it makes its much easier
[05:03] <Jester45> no the gksu is like sudo
[05:04] <Jester45> makes the app  have root user privileges
[05:05] <Jester45> you can use sudo
[05:05] <Jester45> it will work for allmost everything but a fewthings might not work
[05:06] <Jester45> when i first started with linux i used sudo becuase it was easier to remeber
[05:07] <j1mc> PuMpErNiCkLe, you here?
[05:07] <beltz> how long did it take you to find Linux more useful/powerful than windows when you started? I like some of what I see so far, but of course for now it's a bigger hassle than windows since im new
[05:07] <Jester45> hello j1mc i mised you
[05:07] <Jester45> and no he seems to be away
[05:07] <j1mc> Hi Jester45
[05:08] <j1mc> i am trying to set up some testing for xubuntu, and wanted to talk over some wiki stuff before i put it up.
[05:08] <Jester45> beltz: a month i would say i just depends on what your wanting i cant leave windows behind becuase i play 40ish hours of games a week
[05:08] <j1mc> are you on the xubuntu-dev mailing list?
[05:09] <j1mc> or, is anyone here on the xubuntu-dev mailing list?
[05:09] <Jester45> i was...
[05:09] <Jester45> to many emails
[05:10] <j1mc> yeah.  :(
[05:10] <j1mc> would you mind taking a look at this, and letting me know what you think?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-February/003153.html
[05:10] <Jester45> j1mc: why would you ask?
[05:10] <j1mc> . . . if you have a moment . . .
[05:10] <Jester45> ok
[05:10] <Jester45> sure
[05:10] <Jester45> o and
[05:10] <Jester45> j1mc: java6 is out
[05:10] <j1mc> i sent that email to the list today, and no one has responded yet.
[05:10] <Jester45> oo
[05:10] <Jester45> and cellofellow is back
[05:11] <j1mc> i saw the discussion about java earlier, but wasn't part of it.
[05:11] <Jester45> hehe
[05:11] <j1mc> is it big news or something?
[05:11] <Jester45> lucky u didnt join
[05:11] <Jester45> i think its much faster than 5
[05:11] <Jester45> at lease azureus wize
[05:11] <cellofellow> Java6 is cool. A little faster than Java5. I had to manually fix a symlink though to get the Firefox plugin working.
[05:12] <cellofellow> OOo is much faster too.
[05:12] <j1mc> cool.  that's good then.  most java apps seem kinda slow to me.
[05:12] <j1mc> cool, cellofellow
[05:12] <Jester45> if they ever get java to run as fast as c then that would be great
[05:13] <cellofellow> I just got this new wireless USB mouse. It works great but moves a little fast. How do I adjust this?
[05:14] <Jester45> settings -> user interface
[05:14] <Jester45> i think
[05:14] <cellofellow> k
[05:15] <Jester45> j1mc: seems good
[05:15] <cellofellow> not there
[05:15] <j1mc> thanks, Jester45.  i think i'll just attempt to put the pages up, and refine them later as necessary.
[05:15] <beltz> maybe under settings->mouse settings
[05:16] <j1mc> right now, some info is better than none.
[05:16] <cellofellow> duh
[05:16] <Jester45> beltz: oo mr smarty pants now
[05:16] <Jester45> i was just guessing
[05:17] <Jester45> beltz: what would you like out of linux i might beable to help
[05:17] <beltz> hey i was just trying to help
[05:17] <beltz> umm
[05:18] <beltz> I'm really just experimenting. I can't think of anything in particular that I am looking for...
[05:18] <Jester45> i busy with getting xgl/beryl to work on xubuntu
[05:18] <beltz> But I can't think of anything special I would need from windows rather than linux either.
[05:19] <Jester45> no more reboots all the time? no virus ? everything is free
[05:20] <beltz> Well, I got around the "everything is free" part in windows :P
[05:20] <beltz> And I'd be satisfied alone for the fact that when I ask linux to reboot remotely, it actually reboots rather than stalling at the "shutting down screen"
[05:21] <beltz> One thing I may hope to get from linux, but I dont know if its possible, is to restrict the memory or resources an application takes.
[05:21] <Jester45> yea  i think you can
[05:21] <beltz> Because I transfer a lot of stuff on Emule (peer to peer program) and it seems it caches whatever I'm transfering in memory. After a few gigs of download/upload, windows XP gets  so slow, its unbearable.
[05:22] <beltz> Maybe Amule on Linux fixes that by default but otherwise I'll need to figure how to make it happen myself
[05:22] <Jester45> i know you can make the program "nice"
[05:22] <beltz> and btw thanks for all your help so far and for offering even more once again :)
[05:22] <cellofellow> that just makes it less priority on the CPU, and usually does little.
[05:22] <Jester45> making the program nice is like on windows the priority
[05:23] <cellofellow> use htop, it makes it easy to nice programs.
[05:23] <Jester45> cellofellow: i said that b4 he said anything about memory
[05:24] <cellofellow> ok
[05:24] <Jester45> and if you are useing 100% you can nice mean programs and the one you need gets more
[05:24] <cellofellow> yeah, like I usually nice trackerd
[05:24] <Jester45> i just let it run
[05:24] <beltz> can nice help with memory somehow?
[05:24] <beltz> or just cpu
[05:24] <Jester45> it will finish soon
[05:24] <beltz> cpu isn't a problem as long as im not downloading 500 files at once
[05:24] <cellofellow> you may be able to get a process to use swap instead of ram.
[05:25] <cellofellow> dunno though
[05:25] <Jester45> i read somthing about htat
[05:25] <Jester45> force some things to use swap
[05:25] <beltz> ill see if amule makes this hassle necessary first though
[05:25] <Jester45> but that would make it run slower
[05:26] <cellofellow> I need Azureas for sun. Installing "azureus" installs the gcj version. Sun so much faster.
[05:26] <beltz> Oh, one thing I definitely wanna get out of linux is the ability to put keyboard shortcuts on absolutely everything I use. I hate using the mouse, its too slow
[05:26] <cellofellow> 101% doable.
[05:26] <Jester45> cellofellow: dont install the repo's azureus
[05:27] <cellofellow> is there a 3rd-party deb package?
[05:27] <Jester45> get the one for source forge its way newer
[05:27] <cellofellow> well, it just insists on GCJ, which sucks.
[05:27] <Jester45> try debian? the source forge one is nice
[05:27] <cellofellow> k
[05:28] <Jester45> force remove it and install sun
[05:28] <cellofellow> there isn't a sun version.
[05:28] <Jester45> ?
[05:29] <beltz> Do I really need to install everything from apt or synaptic? I downloaded netbeans and it has instructions for running it's own installer on Linux.
[05:29] <cellofellow> I have sun-java6, and haven't uninstalled gcj but there is azureus which depends on azureas-gcj
[05:29] <cellofellow> beltz: it's much better to use apt.
[05:31] <cellofellow> if they didn't offer a .deb package, then just deal with it. The files often get put in odd places.
[05:31] <Jester45> beltz: there are many diffrent versions of linux and they are all diffrent the place xubuntu puts a file is diffrent from redhat or fendora...so they work but its not as intergrated
[05:31] <beltz> http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/55/install.html#archives
[05:31] <Jester45> well played cellofellow
[05:31] <beltz> Is it by downloading one of those installer-less archives that I can install using apt?
[05:32] <Jester45> cellofellow: this is what i did... dl az from sourceforge and unpack in / then opened it
[05:32] <Jester45> it even guessed to place the configs in ./.azurues
[05:32] <cellofellow> no makefile? I was hopping for being able to checkinstall
[05:33] <beltz> There is no .deb package that I can see, but they do offer bin, bz2, tgz and zip "archive distributions". Is this what I should be looking for to use with apt?
[05:35] <cellofellow> the bin is a windows-style self extracting archive. Get the bz2 one, smaller, but you still control the installation unlike the bin file.
[05:36] <Jester45> beltz: i know how to limit memory useage i dont know if this is the ebst way but
[05:37] <beltz> cool
[05:37] <Jester45> make a user for the program then login as user and run ulimit -m sizeinKB then start amulke
[05:37] <Jester45> or somthing of the like
[05:38] <beltz> So you mean, while logged as the proper user for the program?
[05:39] <Jester45> well
[05:39] <Jester45> ulimit i think can only limit the user's memory useage
[05:39] <Jester45> not the process
[05:39] <beltz> oh
[05:40] <Jester45> i will keep looking
[05:40] <beltz> ok
[05:40] <beltz> I downloaded netbeans-5_5.tar.bz2
[05:41] <beltz> i take it there is a unique and beautiful way of installing that one as well :P
[05:41] <Jester45> un tar it and look if it has a file named CONFIGURE
[05:44] <beltz> It has a few sub folders named config, but no configure file I found yet
[05:44] <kalikiana_> Jeser45: 'configure' is always small case ;)
[05:44] <kalikiana_> beltz, look for an 'src'
[05:45] <kalikiana_> s/Jeser45/Jester45
[05:45] <kalikiana_> beltz, if there is neither, is there a 'Makefile'?
[05:46] <beltz> No.. there is uh.. build info
[05:47] <beltz> oh wait, this page http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/55/install.html#archives - just says to launch the netbeans file...
[05:47] <kalikiana_> ok, so try that
[05:47] <beltz> its a shell script
[05:47] <kalikiana_> sounds fine indeed.
[05:49] <beltz> whoa, no installation needed or what? It just launched the program. Its a java program, so I guess that's why
[05:49] <Jester45> no its just pre compied
[05:50] <beltz> so what's an appropriate folder to shove that netbeans folder in?  usr/bin?
[05:50] <Jester45> but as said before its in an odd place i my self like to store things llike that far away from my home and desktop
[05:50] <beltz> ya i want it out of there
[05:50] <kalikiana_> beltz, better use /usr/local/bin for non-repo files
[05:50] <Jester45> and put a launcher on the panel for it
[05:50] <beltz> okay
[05:51] <kalikiana_> that way you know that everything in there may have e.g. no uninstall function ;)
[05:51] <Jester45> beltz: wanted to know how to retrict a processes memory usage would you happen to know kalikiana_
[05:52] <kalikiana_> i no only that you can 'nice' a process, although restricted memory should be possible
[05:52] <kalikiana_> s/no/know ;)
[05:53] <Jester45> thats what i said
[05:53] <Jester45> ulimit can restrict a user anbd its processes
[05:54] <beltz> usr/local/bin seems to be root. So I load thunar with gksu thunar and then copy it there?
[05:54] <kalikiana_> yeah, there is also a config file to limit a user's resources, but no per-app setting afaik
[05:54] <beltz> It wouldn't let me copy n paste it there.
[05:54] <Jester45> yes
[05:54] <Jester45> see thats why a root thunar is cool
[05:54] <kalikiana_> beltz, or use 'sudo cp ...' ;)
[05:54] <Jester45> jsut dont go moving thinkgs that apt put there unless you know what your doing
[05:55] <kalikiana_> Jester45, don't dare you find any root thingy *cool* *grrrrr
[05:58] <beltz> wow it works
[05:58] <kalikiana_> :)
[05:58] <beltz> How come I can open it from a shortcut while logged in as a normal user, despite it being in a root permission folder?
[05:59] <Jester45> beltz: you probly have read only
[05:59] <beltz> will that be a problem when using it, if I save files to other folders?
[05:59] <Jester45> there are 3 levels nothing read only read and write
[06:00] <Jester45> chown that one folder
[06:00] <beltz> chown beltz:beltz?
[06:00] <Jester45> no /usr/bin/ but the netbeans one
[06:00] <beltz> ok
[06:00] <Jester45> not*
[06:00] <Jester45> i gtg
[06:00] <Jester45> be back tomarro
[06:01] <beltz> ok cya and thanks again
[06:01] <kalikiana_> beltz, almost every regular installed application is contained in a folder owned by root, and pretty much the big part of your whole linux; if it were different you wouldn't need to be root at any time ;)
[06:01] <kalikiana_> beltz, by the way it's bad habit to make a folder in /usr writable for users
[06:02] <beltz> But its ok to make this netbeans folder in usr/bin/local writable?
[06:03] <kalikiana_> beltz, If there is no other solution do it in this case. normally program shall write to your home folder.
[06:03] <cellofellow> you meen /usr/local/bin?
[06:03] <beltz> ya my bad
[06:05] <cellofellow> well, ok. I think some distros actually use /usr/bin/local though.
[06:05] <kalikiana_> and hi, by the way ^(.-.)^
[06:06] <kalikiana_> wow, I feel so upside down *g
[06:07] <beltz> oh that was a bat
[06:09] <beltz> Is it the same thing to install an application with Add/Remove or Synaptic?
[06:10] <kalikiana_> beltz, synaptic normally installs to /usr instead of /usr/local   ~('-')~
[06:13] <beltz> Do you use wine?
[06:14] <kalikiana_> seldom, but yes. it's one game and intenret explorer for testing.
[06:14] <kalikiana_> s/intenret/internet
[06:14] <beltz> It's basically the only thing left that I need, for some "learn japanese" apps that aren't available outside of windows
[06:14] <kalikiana_> There are several apps for learning Japanese on linux.
[06:15] <kalikiana_> Although I liked neither those for win nor for linux, but that's my opinion. :)
[06:15] <beltz> It's to use Rosetta Stone, which people say sucks, but I think its good to learn to read faster.
[06:16] <beltz> Is Wine something that will slow down my computer constantly, or will it run only when I load windows files?
[06:16] <kalikiana_> If you want to learn reading, why not fetch an easy book or something?
[06:16] <cellofellow> just windows stuff
[06:17] <beltz> I don't know enough vocab, i'm just starting. But rosetta stone is helpful for reading simple sentences as you learn new words, in kana writing
[06:19] <kalikiana_> beltz, I have Japanese primary school books, lots of food from Asian stores and I get also vocabulary from Anime. :)
[06:19] <beltz> Also, I use it because I have it anyway.. and I think programs are more "usable" than books most of the time. Easier to look up stuff when you are stuck
[06:19] <beltz> Primary school books are something I wanted to eventually get, rather than those "for americans" ones...
[06:19] <beltz> I was just about to order a few "learn japanese" books (for english speakers) in fact
[06:19] <kalikiana_> Haha, I have original Japanese Hiragana books.
[06:20] <beltz> How helpful do you find them compared to books meant to teach japanese to english people?
[06:21] <kalikiana_> For example there is a rabbit and besides it there is written (usagi) and on that page are only things with an (u). That is only the beginning but it's fun. :)
[06:22] <kalikiana_> Apart from that I have an online grammar guide for English learners.
[06:23] <kalikiana_> And recently I discovered a funny tv show (for dl) which is for English learners as well.
[06:23] <beltz> i hope its not that show where 20 girls are dancing and saying words in a really really creepy way :(
[06:23] <kalikiana_> I saw that once in Youtube *g
[06:23] <beltz> oh wait, that one was to teach english to japanese people i think
[06:23] <beltz> it was scary uh
[06:24] <beltz> can you write some kanji, i wanna see if my default xubuntu install supports reading it in gaim :)
[06:24] <kalikiana_> beltz, look here for a *real* tv show http://www.animeupload.com/learn/
[06:25] <kalikiana_> 
[06:25] <beltz> good
[06:25] <kalikiana_> I like Bentos. :) ^^
[06:26] <beltz> watashi ha o.... gasuki?
[06:26] <kalikiana_> Don't expect any more complicated sentences from me, though ;)
[06:26] <beltz> Dont expect me to read anything more than that :P (and without the kanji)
[06:26] <kalikiana_> Watashi wa(ha) o bentou ga suki.
[06:26] <beltz> yay
[06:26] <kalikiana_> The particle HA is a spoken WA in that specific case.
[06:27] <beltz> I'm boycotting romanji :P
[06:27] <beltz> ill spell it the way its spelt in japanese!
[06:27] <kalikiana_> I don't like romaji either :P
[06:28] <kalikiana_> My girlfriend doesn't understand why..
[06:28] <beltz> Is she japanese?
[06:29] <beltz> or learning like you?
[06:30] <kalikiana_> We'Re both learning :)
[07:29] <cryosphere> I was here a few days trying to solve a bizzare problem; my laptop will recognize my USB devices and connects to the internet 10% of the boots, its totally random
[07:30] <cryosphere> I diffed  the syslog for a successfull boot seq and failure, if you want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/365779
[07:31] <cryosphere>  I was here a few days trying to solve a bizzare problem; my laptop will recognize my USB devices and connects to the internet 10% of the boots, its totally random
[07:31] <cryosphere>  I diffed  the syslog for a successfull boot seq and failure, if you want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/365779
[07:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Any chance you could pastebin them separately?  It's easier to read than a diff.
[07:49] <cryosphere> Yes, but
[07:49] <cryosphere> HAHA, if I don't diff them the files are HUGE
[07:49] <cryosphere> i mean I assume that you would only want to see the diff
[07:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> From the diff, it looks like it's an IRQ problem.  I just have a harder time readeing diffs than the original logs.
[07:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s/readeing/reading/
[07:51] <cryosphere> the "<" is the good one
[07:51] <cryosphere> thanks for trying
[08:00] <cryosphere> shit I have to go
[08:02] <cryosphere> I'm also getting an "unrecognized memory module  . . may affect stability , press esc to continue" msg before I even get to grub
[08:02] <cryosphere> does that mean I need some new ram or are there other kinds of memory that could get damaged?
[10:04] <kalikiana> What happens exactly when gksudo locks the screen and asks for a password? Does this prevent background programs from logging window messages?
[10:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It ensures that nothing steals focus.
[02:03] <y0hm> In what config file would xfce4 store it's "autostarted applications" ?
[02:05] <syamajala> y0hm: if i remember correctly it used to be somewhere in ~/Desktop
[02:06] <syamajala> but it might of changed with 4.4
[02:06] <y0hm> syamajala : I found it : /.config/autostart/
[02:07] <syamajala> ok
[02:08] <syamajala> grazie: hello
[02:08] <syamajala> grazie: i got the alternative install cd and managed to get a base system installed
[02:09] <syamajala> i tricked it
[02:10] <grazie> syamajala: hi...good news
[02:10] <grazie> syamajala: still concerned about your partition map though
[02:10] <syamajala> i just mounted /dev/hda6 at /target and it installed
[02:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:37] <syamajala> ok
[02:37] <syamajala> i'm done
[02:37] <syamajala> installed yaboot manually
[02:38] <syamajala> lets see if osx still boots
[02:40] <syamajala> osx didn't boot
[02:40] <syamajala> but xubuntu looks like it works
[02:42] <syamajala> i probably need to change my yaboot settings a little
[02:44] <syamajala> i have a drum lesson now
[02:44] <syamajala> so i'll be back later
[03:19] <slow-motion> bye
[04:39] <fuel> hi. i recently installed xubuntu-desktop on my system (kubuntu) and its not loading...
[04:40] <fuel> even the run box does not appear.......
[04:43] <fuel> guys help ????
[06:32] <BFTD> hey Maximilian1st
[06:33] <Maximilian1st> I'm afraid you confuse me with another person, but... Hey hi :-)
[06:33] <BFTD> oh
[06:33] <BFTD> yeah I think I am
[06:52] <bulletxt> i'm no sure to update xfce to 4.4, is it stable?
[06:52] <bulletxt> *not
[06:52] <bulletxt> i'm on edgy
[06:55] <bulletxt> yes?no?hello?!
[07:54] <ser2> how can i update gxine to latest version?
[07:56] <grazie> ser2: what package manager tool do you usually use?
[07:57] <ser2> from terminal
[07:58] <ser2> but i dont understand somtehing
[07:58] <ser2> it's seems that i cannot update it with aptitude install gxine
[07:59] <grazie> ser2: aptitude update gxine
[07:59] <ser2> :))
[08:00] <ser2> i have try this allready
[08:00] <grazie> ser2: but you must update the repos first
[08:00] <ser2> the update don't need any arguments..
[08:01] <ser2> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[08:01] <ser2> http://ru.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse Sources
[08:01] <grazie> ser2: then there is no update in the repos
[08:02] <ser2> grazie do you know what is wrong with this repo
[08:03] <ser2> when update repos the source ...edgy/multiverse Sources return this erorr..
[08:04] <grazie> ser2: I don't use multiverse...what error?
[08:04] <ser2> ok then
[08:05] <ser2> grazie
[08:06] <ser2> on your system the grazie: ser2: aptitude update gxine works?
[08:06] <ser2> aptitude update gxine
[08:08] <grazie> ser2: not on xubuntu right now..and I usually use apt-get or synaptic..sorry
[08:10] <grazie> ser2: sorry I meant  'aptitude upgrade gxine'
[08:14] <ser2> how can i remove gxine without affecting xfce-desktop
[08:14] <ser2> becouse there is any dependence...
[08:14] <ser2> -)
[08:14] <grazie> ser2: what dependencies?
[08:15] <ser2> xubuntu-desktop
[08:15] <grazie> ser2: that's ok
[08:16] <grazie> ser2: thought you wanted to upgrade gxine :)
[08:30] <hyper_ch> grazie: there?
[08:35] <grazie> hyper_ch: hi
[08:36] <hyper_ch> got a shell open?
[08:36] <grazie> hyper_ch:  got to go out for an hour...not on xubuntu right now...bbl
[08:37] <hyper_ch> well, once you are, enter:   pstree -p
[08:37] <hyper_ch> you'll see the processes listed in a tree structure :)
[08:37] <hyper_ch> looks really nice
[09:17] <grazie> hyper_ch: nice tool :)
[09:46] <syamajala> so i finally got xubuntu to install
[09:46] <syamajala> and os x works too now
[09:46] <syamajala> i put the wrong partition in yaboot for osx
[09:46] <syamajala> but they are both working together now
[09:46] <syamajala> and i didn't have to reinstall os x either
[09:52] <grazie> syamajala: if you can't run gparted on that disk I still think you may have partition map problems...
[09:52] <syamajala> grazie: actually there is something wrong with gparted/parted
[09:53] <syamajala> because i ran parted
[09:53] <syamajala> and i got error: the partition's data region doesn't occupy the entire partition
[09:54] <syamajala> i found that its a known problem with parted and osx
[09:55] <syamajala> so are there packages for xfce 4.4.0
[09:58] <grazie> syamajala: xfce 4.4 is in feisty
[10:23] <curl1> can you change the font size in the panels?
[10:33] <curl1> The size of the Xfce panels can be adjusted but not the font size? Surely there must be a way...
[10:42] <baz_1> when install for first time xubuntu,has a default value the password of root?
[10:45] <grazie> baz_1: root password is not set
[10:46] <baz_1> tnk,for set?
[10:46] <posingaspopular> sudo passwd
[10:46] <posingaspopular> i think
[10:47] <baz_1> when i lunch.it require password
[10:54] <posingaspopular> huh? didn't you set a master password on install?
[11:00] <grazie> baz_1: enter your user password
[11:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> sudo uses your user's password.  There is no root account or password by default.
[11:02] <baz_1> tnk all
[11:03] <rmd_> anyone know why /ignore isn't working in epic4 installed under xubuntu?
[11:37] <vrkhans> hi i am trying to install the xubuntu but the problem it doesnt show me the partitions, just one big chunk of 178gb hard drive space
[11:37] <vrkhans> i have also windows on it
[11:37] <vrkhans> and total 4 partitions
[11:37] <vrkhans> but it doesnt show any other partions
[11:38] <vrkhans> does there any why i can install a dual boot system
[11:38] <vrkhans> without disturbing other partions
[11:39] <vrkhans> i have a 200gb hdd hda1 20gb hda2 20 gb hda3 80gb and hda4 80gb
[11:40] <vrkhans> in mandrake partion software it shows all of them
[11:40] <vrkhans> but in xbuntu it doesnt show other partions
[11:40] <vrkhans> help me
[11:40] <syamajala>  finally upgraded to feisty
[11:41] <vrkhans> i wnat to install linux to hda2
[11:41] <syamajala> almost took 2 hours
[11:41] <vrkhans> but I dont know i can do that
[11:41] <syamajala> vrkhans: i had the same problem with the installer
[11:42] <vrkhans> what you did
[11:42] <syamajala> i used the alternate installer
[11:42] <vrkhans> mandrake installer is good, it show all the correct partions
[11:42] <syamajala> and mounted my partitions manually
[11:43] <vrkhans> i dont know i can do that
[11:43] <syamajala> yeah its a bit complicated
[11:43] <vrkhans> I never mounted any part
[11:43] <vrkhans> thats wiered
[11:44] <vrkhans> so what i should do
[11:44] <syamajala> idk
[11:45] <vrkhans> :-)
[11:45] <vrkhans> thats an easy ans
[11:45] <vrkhans> that measn i do know
[11:45] <vrkhans> :-)
[11:46] <syamajala> there is probably a better solution than the one i have
[11:46] <vrkhans> what solution you have
[11:46] <syamajala> using the alternative install cd
[11:46] <vrkhans> mount ing
[11:46] <syamajala> and mounting your partitions manually
[11:46] <vrkhans> ok
[11:47] <vrkhans> what is suntext you use
[11:47] <syamajala> what?
[11:47] <vrkhans> i mean
[11:47] <vrkhans> what is the spelling
[11:48] <vrkhans> sentext
[11:48] <syamajala> syntax?
[11:49] <vrkhans> ya
[11:49] <vrkhans> :-)
[11:49] <vrkhans> i forget the spelling
[11:49] <vrkhans> syntax
[11:49] <vrkhans> mount ....
[11:49] <syamajala> mkdir /target
[11:49] <syamajala> mount /dev/partition /target
[11:49] <vrkhans> mkdir
[11:50] <vrkhans> if i have four partition
[11:50] <vrkhans> then i have to make four dir
[11:50] <syamajala> depends
[11:50] <vrkhans> mean
[11:50] <syamajala> what are your other partitions for?
[11:51] <vrkhans> i have an huge hdd
[11:51] <vrkhans> 200gb
[11:51] <vrkhans> 20gb for windows
[11:51] <vrkhans> 20gb for linux
[11:51] <vrkhans> 80gb for storage
[11:51] <vrkhans> 80gb for another storage
[11:52] <vrkhans> so these are my four partions
[11:53] <vrkhans> all are crrently in fat32 format
[11:53] <magic_ninja> whats up
[11:53] <vrkhans> notting up all down
[11:53] <magic_ninja> what are you partitioning for vrkhans
[11:53] <vrkhans> ;-)
[11:53] <vrkhans> xbuntu
[11:53] <magic_ninja> you want to keep your windows install correct?
[11:54] <vrkhans> ya
[11:54] <vrkhans> yup!
[11:54] <vrkhans> problem
[11:54] <magic_ninja> are you on windows or ubuntu atm
[11:54] <vrkhans> windows
[11:54] <magic_ninja> ok
[11:55] <vrkhans> currently wishing to install ubuntu
[11:55] <magic_ninja> you said you have 4 partitions, you have C: for windows, what are they other 3
[11:55] <vrkhans> i made the second 20gb partion to install linux
[11:55] <vrkhans> and 80 and 80gb for storage
[11:55] <magic_ninja> if you are switching to linux, remember irc and google solves most questions, backup your data and use gnome at first, i don't care what these guys say, gnome is best for switching currently
[11:56] <magic_ninja> whats the first 80 gb for
[11:56] <vrkhans> i have used linux in past
[11:56] <vrkhans> i like the xubuntu
[11:56] <magic_ninja> ok
[11:56] <vrkhans> because of the light weight
[11:56] <magic_ninja> good deal
[11:56] <magic_ninja> i use linux for my base OS though
[11:57] <vrkhans> but the problem is not what to use is how to install xubuntu
[11:57] <magic_ninja> i'm working you through that
[11:57] <magic_ninja> now, do you use a partition manage from windows
[11:57] <vrkhans> actually
[11:58] <vrkhans> westren digital , install that
[11:58] <magic_ninja> the installer will start a partition manager or wipe the entire drive, custom disk partitioning is what you want
[11:58] <magic_ninja> cool
[11:58] <magic_ninja> so you need ot make a swap partition
[11:58] <vrkhans> i know but it doesnt show all the other partion what i have
[11:58] <magic_ninja> resize one of the 80 gigs, the one thats AFTER the linux part (i reccomend ext3) and create a swap partition
[11:59] <magic_ninja> right, you have to do that through linux
[11:59] <vrkhans> dear i tried it but it just show me one bg chunk of 178 gb partions
[11:59] <vrkhans> no other partions
[11:59] <magic_ninja> when you put the live cd in resize one of the 80 gig partitions, the one directly after your 20 gig partition and make a swap partition twice the size of your ram
[11:59] <vrkhans> i dont know why
[11:59] <magic_ninja> not good
[12:00] <vrkhans> yup
[12:00] <vrkhans> that is the problem
[12:00] <vrkhans> i dont want to lose my other partions
[12:00] <vrkhans> or want to change
[12:00] <vrkhans> i just want to use the current partion
[12:01] <magic_ninja> then take 500 megs out of the 20 gb and make a swap through whatever partiton manage you use
[12:01] <magic_ninja> the linux installer should see your drive partitoned, if it can't then i'm not good enough to help you
[12:01] <vrkhans> dear it is not showing me that 20gb
[12:01] <vrkhans> partions
[12:01] <magic_ninja> the western digital one
[12:01] <magic_ninja> or the linux one
[12:01] <vrkhans> linux
[12:02] <vrkhans> when i am in windows i can see all my partions
[12:02] <magic_ninja> or the linux one
[12:02] <vrkhans> but when i try to install linux
[12:02] <magic_ninja> is there a good command-line mp3 player that suppoorts lage m3u files and random
[12:02] <vrkhans> it just show me one 178gb partions
[12:02] <magic_ninja> the problem is that your in the wrong part of the interface
[12:03] <magic_ninja> you have to load that drive into the partiton manager
[12:03] <syamajala> anyone use bcm43xx?
[12:03] <magic_ninja> make sure your 20 gb is ext3 or reiser (i reccomend ext3)
[12:17] <syamajala> oh
[12:17] <syamajala> no wireless for me...