[12:19] <a5benwillis> well
[12:19] <a5benwillis> I had to eat :-)
[12:20] <a5benwillis> I think I spoke to him earlier?
[12:20] <a5benwillis> cliebow_:  I'm trying to find out now if ssh is even my real problem.
[12:21] <cliebow_> ask Gadi..nicely on #ltsp
[04:17] <Meshezabeel> I think I found a bug in edubuntu, can someone confirm this for me?
[04:20] <Meshezabeel> if I run xmodmap it shows Alt_L twice, can someone else run this and see if it happens for them too?
[07:19] <cbx33> ping burgundavia
[07:19] <Burgundavia> cbx33: pong
[07:19] <edubuntugirl> Burgundavia: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'I will be home from work early tomorrow which will give me time to finish up those changes on the chapter.  I did try to email you, but pocketpc died.' 3 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes and 57 seconds ago (on Mon Feb 19 01:58:03 2007)
[07:20] <Burgundavia> cbx33: given I am currently relaxing with A, I didn't have time to look at your chapter
[07:20] <cbx33> haha
[07:20] <cbx33> ok
[07:20] <cbx33> was laughing at edubuntugirl
[07:21] <cbx33> will you have time before debra wants it?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[07:21] <Burgundavia> she is looking for all my reviews by the end of the weekend
[07:21] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:22] <Burgundavia> do you have another revisionto devlive to me?
[07:22] <cbx33> no
[07:22] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:22] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:22] <cbx33> you have latest, was gonna work on any changes today after i got it back from u
[07:22] <Burgundavia> have you played with ltsp fat clients?
[07:22] <cbx33> no
[07:23] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:25] <cbx33> deb wants it on friday.....from me at least, i'm just trying to see when i can fit in changes.  I only really have tonight left.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:25] <cbx33> so.....
[07:25] <Burgundavia> can you ping her and ask her?
[07:26] <cbx33> ask her what?
[07:27] <Burgundavia> when it has to be delivered by
[07:27] <cbx33> she sent me a mail today asking for everything on friday as hand off day
[07:29] <Burgundavia> from you to the reviews or from me to her?
[07:29] <cbx33> from me to her
[07:30] <cbx33> presumably after it has been reviewed by you
[07:30] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:30] <cbx33> she is looking at it with another reviewer at the weekend
[07:31] <cbx33> and i'll then have till tues for any further changes
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:34] <cbx33> so how do you want to work it....btw you know i sent you  2 mails,.......use the latest one
[07:34] <Burgundavia> ok
[07:34] <Burgundavia> I will start reviewing tomorrow night
[07:35] <cbx33> right....
[07:35] <cbx33> will you be making changes?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> likely
[07:36] <Burgundavia> I am minorly opinionated and likely to find something I need to change :)
[07:36] <cbx33> i'll have to pass them on straight to deb, as i doubt i'll get much time to fuklly look at them
[07:36] <cbx33> heh.....you,.....never
[07:36] <cbx33> :p
[07:38] <cbx33> so, a quiet evening for me then.
[07:39] <cbx33> ;)
[07:40] <cbx33> i only have 2 images left to do too :)
[07:41] <cbx33> do you wanna send it to deb then?
[07:42] <LaserJock> ih cbx33
[07:43] <cbx33> hey laserjock
[07:43] <cbx33> howz u?
[07:44] <LaserJock> doing good
[07:44] <cbx33> excellent
[07:44] <LaserJock> I just created a server guide and packaging guide .deb
[07:44] <cbx33> nice
[07:46] <cbx33> right i'm off to start my day...
[07:47] <cbx33> can you me know on that last one burgundavia?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cbx33: which one?
[07:47] <cbx33> do you wanna send to deb
[07:48] <cbx33> for the friday deadline
[07:48] <cbx33> and send me a copy too
[07:48] <Burgundavia> I will chat with her tomorrow about my deadlines
[07:48] <cbx33> ok
[07:49] <cbx33> i will send her my copy and say it's with you
[07:50] <cbx33> so i can actually give her something
[07:51] <cbx33> bye all
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: private msg?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cbx33: I just emailed her
[11:48] <cbx33> hey ogra how was the trip?
[11:49] <cbx33> ogra: have done some changes to tcm....there was a problem with Xsession.d and the scp-client script, resulting in the fact that I couldn't blank/unblank screens
[11:49] <cbx33> because scp couldn't contact the gnome-screensaver session
[11:49] <cbx33> there was a bug about it on LP
[11:49] <cbx33> or something very similar
[11:49] <cbx33> after talking to the #gnome guys I have a fix
[11:49] <cbx33> but you may not like it
[11:50] <cbx33> check it out, it's in the bzr repo
[11:50] <cbx33> i have also fixed up vnc
[11:50] <cbx33> and it looks a lot prittier now
[11:58] <cbx33> anyone know what device dm-1 is ?
[11:59] <cbx33> I'm running a dapper livecd on a machine and getting I/O errors on dm-1
[12:20] <cafuego_> cbx33: device mapper 1 - on-chip software raid
[12:21] <cafuego_> Mind you, just ignore if you're running off CD
[12:22] <cbx33> yeh
[12:22] <cbx33> it was dying for a while
[12:44] <ogra> cbx33, i saw the bug, i will check it if i have the time ... (next week) i suspect the scp client isnt started with the users rights
[12:55] <cbx33> ogra: oh ok....i have a workaround in the bzr branch that works
[12:56] <cbx33> but I'm guessing you won't like it :p
[12:56] <ogra> what did you do ?
[12:57] <cbx33> well...
[12:57] <cbx33> i was advised a solution to it was this
[12:57] <cbx33> move the scp script to place 74
[12:57] <cbx33> just before dbus is run
[12:57] <cbx33> and get it to modufy $STARTUP so that it calls a new script
[12:57] <cbx33> this new script calls scp-client
[12:58] <cbx33> and then runs what would havebeen run at $STARTUP
[12:59] <cbx33> twas a way of doing it only adding new files :p
[01:01] <ogra> thats indeed very very ugly
[01:01] <cbx33> i know
[01:01] <cbx33> but it least it confirmed wha tthe problem was
[01:02] <cbx33> remember I'm still learning :p
[01:04] <cbx33> what do people here use to write man pages easily?
[01:05] <cbx33> ack gotta go
[01:05] <cbx33> catch y'all later
[01:05] <cbx33> catch y'all later
[01:06] <jsgotangco> sure
[01:06] <jsgotangco> sure
[01:06] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:06] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, you're repetitive
[01:28] <ogra> jsgotangco, you're repetitive
[01:42] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:42] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:42] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:47] <highvoltage> when the aliens abducted me, the did nothing to me. to me. to me. to me.
[01:54] <jsgotangco> i for one, welcome our new ESR overlord
[01:56] <bimberi> SABDFL in waiting? ;)
[01:58] <jsgotangco> hardly
[01:58] <jsgotangco> it would be a fun if he starts making a scene though
[03:13] <wwwriter2> Goog time
[03:14] <wwwriter2> May be who use Edubuntu in the University?
[03:20] <a5benwillis> no university but a k12
[03:22] <wwwriter2> thanks
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:08] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[04:13] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:13] <juliux> hi sbalneav
[04:14] <sbalneav> Hello
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya cbx33, sbalneav
[04:15] <juliux> sbalneav, btw ltsp is running on sparc;)
[04:16] <sbalneav> You're using a sparc box as a host?
[04:36] <ogra> sbalneav, he cheated :)
[04:37] <sbalneav> :)
[05:08] <cbx33> hehe
[05:08] <cbx33> how was the trip ogra?
[05:08] <ogra> ok ...
[05:08] <ogra> (i had better ones than travelling 12h for 1200km though)
[05:09] <cbx33> yeh i'll bet
[05:10] <ogra> they are just discussing tools to detect "copy/paste from internet cheating"
[05:11] <mpytasz> Maybe just cutting let's say 10 sets of 10 phrases from the document ang googling for them would be enough, if we get a number of hits, some bayesian probability could be calculated
[05:11] <ogra> right
[05:12] <ogra> but it gets very fuzzy with rephrased stuff
[05:13] <mpytasz> Remind me later, in September I was here (near Ancona) on bayesian related conference, I should have some materials about it
[05:14] <ogra> cool
[05:14] <mpytasz> there were guys from www.bayesian.org
[05:23] <cbx33> hmmm
[05:26] <cbx33> bye mr ogra
[05:26] <cbx33> oh ogra
[05:26] <cbx33> you still there?
[05:57] <Laser_away> argg
[05:57] <Laser_away> he left
[06:00] <cbx33> i thoguht mdz was on holiday
[07:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: do you know where ogra went?
[07:34] <cbx33> no
[07:34] <cbx33> I don;t
[07:34] <cbx33> Burgwork, do you want a meeting tomorrow morning?
[07:43] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[07:49] <cliebow_> Italy
[07:50] <cliebow_> in italy  ... EU edulinux conference
[07:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: pong :-)
[08:23] <pscheie> Is there any way to tell which repo an installed package came from?
[08:24] <LaserJock> pscheie: I believe so
[08:25] <LaserJock> pscheie: do you mean like Main Universe, etc.
[08:25] <LaserJock> pscheie: or like 3rd party repo stuff
[08:28] <pscheie> I noticed that Kgeography is missing from my edgy install
[08:28] <pscheie> it' supposed to be a part of kde edu
[08:28] <pscheie> but I just installed it by hand
[08:28] <pscheie> can't rememeber if I used apt-get or the GUI
[08:29] <pscheie> now I'm trying to build a customized edubuntu livecd
[08:30] <pscheie> I've got the file system from the cd copied to disk, and I've chrooted to that directory
[08:30] <pscheie> but when I do 'apt-get install kgeography', it says no such package found
[08:30] <pscheie> but I know it's available somewhere because I just installed it a few days ago
[08:31] <pscheie> so I'm curious as to which repo it was in
[08:31] <cliebow_> must be part of kde-edu?
[08:31] <pscheie> right, but kde-edu is already installed, right?
[08:31] <LaserJock> it is a part of kde-edu
[08:31] <cliebow_> err.sorry..i just stomped in
[08:31] <LaserJock> but it's in the Universe repo
[08:31] <LaserJock> pscheie: I ran apt-cache madison kgeography
[08:32] <lns> Hey - just a note, not really edubuntu/ltsp specific, but I just found this out. You guys probably already know - a " .hidden " file in any directory containing a list of files/subdirs will hide them from nautilus. Good for hiding /bin, /etc, and others from the root dir. w00t!
[08:32] <LaserJock> and I get this for fiesty:
[08:32] <LaserJock> kgeography | 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 | http://photon feisty/universe Packages kdeedu | 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 | http://photon feisty/main Sources
[08:32] <cliebow_> lns:Cool
[08:33] <LaserJock> lns: yes, that is an interesting trick. Hard to do by default though as people get mad ;-)
[08:33] <LaserJock> Kubuntu tried it once, I believe
[08:33] <lns> LaserJock, totally. Not something to do by default
[08:33] <lns> but good for taking some things out for students to work easier
[08:34] <LaserJock> yes
[08:34] <lns> unfortunately it doesn't hide them from things like open/save dialogues
[08:34] <lns> :(
[08:34] <cliebow_> lns..theres a lot of tweaks too to eliminate navigating up thru your homedir to /
[08:34] <LaserJock> really?
[08:34] <lns> cliebow_, can you elaborate? this is really useful info for me right now
[08:34] <cliebow_> let me pull the file
[08:35] <lns> =)
[08:35] <LaserJock> I wonder if any of these tricks are documented in the handbook or on the website
[08:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: pingy pingy
[08:35] <lns> LaserJock, i couldn't find this anywhere except for ubuntuforums and some other misc. postings on random sites - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76521
[08:36] <lns> that kind of customization stuff is gold
[08:37] <cliebow_> nautilus-desktop-icon-view-ui,xml..i commnet ourcmd name="New Terminal"
[08:37] <cliebow_> _label="Open Terminal"
[08:38] <cliebow_> _tip="Open a new Gnome terminal
[08:38] <cliebow_> nautilus-spatial-window-ui.xml
[08:38] <cliebow_> comment out _label="Open Parent"
[08:38] <cliebow_> _tip "Open the Parent Folder"
[08:39] <cliebow_> #accel="*Alt*Up"
[08:40] <cliebow_> lns: i use icewm with nautilus on top...in redhat..far quicker than gnome or kde
[08:41] <cliebow_> and just dont offer a terminal to anyone but admins
[08:57] <lns_afk> cliebow_, i've yet to use icewm to a far extent... I tried it about a month ago and wasn't very pleased with the bugs
[08:58] <lns_afk> just little stuff that crashed, like parts of the config window..maybe it was specific to me but i dunno
[08:59] <cliebow_> not sure..ive been using it in production four years now
[09:07] <pscheie> LaserJock: Universe was commented out in sources.list
[09:08] <pscheie> so I uncommented it, ran 'apt-get update', and then tried 'apt-get install kgeography' again
[09:08] <pscheie> but it still says 'Couldn't find package kgeography
[09:08] <pscheie> '
[09:15] <LaserJock> pscheie: hmm
[09:16] <LaserJock> it *should* work
[09:39] <pscheie> LaserJock: well, that gives me hope anyway. ;-)
[09:45] <ajmitch> morning
[09:45] <cbx33> mornin ajmitch
[09:50] <lns> cliebow_, oops! Sorry, I was referring to xfce not icewm
[09:54] <cliebow_> lns:booking it..gotta check on my mom..
[09:54] <cliebow_> bbl from home
[09:58] <SnrWhippy> sweeet
[09:59] <SnrWhippy> anybody using edubuntu here?
[10:00] <SnrWhippy> trying to avoid using windows at all see if its possible
[10:00] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm presently sitting at an OS X machine, ssh'd into a  couple of Ubuntu boxes
[10:01] <cbx33> but i have an edubuntu vm on standby
[10:01] <cbx33> for development
[10:01] <SnrWhippy> yeah its been pretty good so far
[10:02] <SnrWhippy> had a bit of a fiddle getting wireless to use WPA-PSK with tkip
[10:02] <SnrWhippy> didnt just work thats for sure
[10:02] <SnrWhippy> excellent yeah it would be interesting if any schools use it already anywhere
[10:02] <lns> SnrWhippy, tons!!
[10:03] <SnrWhippy> where you from lns
[10:03] <lns> Northern California
[10:03] <LaserJock> lns: where?
[10:04] <lns> LaserJock, isn't there a webpage that shows all (recorded) installations around the world somewhere?
[10:04] <SnrWhippy> yeah most of the schools over here in the uk are victims of microsoft
[10:04] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps
[10:04] <LaserJock> lns: I live in Reno, NV
[10:04] <SnrWhippy> hey that sounds good
[10:04] <lns> SnrWhippy, most people everywhere are victims of M$...but that is changing, for sure
[10:04] <lns> LaserJock, hey throw a quarter in a slot for me will ya? ;)
[10:05] <SnrWhippy> i'm lost on the country specific gag there
[10:05] <lns> SnrWhippy, Reno = big gambling city
[10:06] <SnrWhippy> lots of money there then
[10:07] <lns> Here's a page that shows installs... I highly doubt this is anywhere near realistic in terms of number of installs, just people who care to say they installed it
[10:07] <lns> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallations
[10:07] <lns> I haven't even put mine in there yet
[10:08] <SnrWhippy> yeah would be good if it did it by default
[10:08] <SnrWhippy> tell you what the best tool is ever is that vmware converter prog
[10:08] <SnrWhippy> anyone used it
[10:09] <lns> vmware converter?
[10:09] <SnrWhippy> yeah its amazing i've been waiting for it for ages physical to virtual
[10:09] <cbx33> eh?
[10:09] <cbx33> converter?
[10:10] <lns> SnrWhippy, do you just mean vmware?
[10:10] <lns> virtualization environment?
[10:12] <SnrWhippy> i was at work and for a laugh stole my workmates system from under his nose
[10:12] <SnrWhippy> ported into a virtual machine
[10:12] <SnrWhippy> going to try it on our servers
[10:12] <SnrWhippy> i think i just love free stuff
[10:13] <lns> SnrWhippy, I'm about to embark on virtualizing Windows Server 2k3 in vmware on top of our ubuntu LTSP server
[10:14] <lns> what would be slick, is that the server has 2 NICs and I'd want to utilize the second one for the VM
[10:15] <SnrWhippy> i better go need some milk from the shops at its nearly 10pm over here.
[10:15] <SnrWhippy> byeee thanks for link lns i've bookmarked it
[10:17] <cbx33> SnrWhippy, keen to learn how you did that
[10:18] <cbx33> would be useful
[10:19] <SnrWhippy> yeah get it downloaded
[10:19] <SnrWhippy> its amazing
[10:19] <SnrWhippy> it can take a running remote physical machine and turn it into a virtual image *.vmdk and *.vmx ready for running with vmware workstation or player
[10:19] <SnrWhippy> while someone is using it
[10:19] <cbx33> what's it called
[10:19] <cbx33> does it need installing on their machine?
[10:20] <lns> SnrWhippy, no prob!
[10:20] <cbx33> i could use that at work
[10:20] <cbx33> need to do somthing like that
[10:21] <cbx33> SnrWhippy, proejct name would be great
[10:21] <lns> wow, that sounds pretty damn cool!
[10:22] <SnrWhippy> yeah vmware converter
[10:22] <SnrWhippy> its only recent they released the converter for free
[10:22] <SnrWhippy> anyway milk
[10:22] <SnrWhippy> byeee
[10:31] <lns> I love vmware! =)
[10:31] <lns> bye SnrWhippy!
[10:31] <lns> thx for the info
[10:32] <SnrWhippy> im back and i have milk! sounds good lns let me know how it goes
[10:32] <SnrWhippy> yeah i dont see why that would be a prob
[10:33] <lns> np SnrWhippy
[10:36] <SnrWhippy> hey i like this ntfs-3g thing too
[10:36] <SnrWhippy> for mounting ntfs partitions in ubuntu
[10:36] <SnrWhippy> useful
[10:37] <SnrWhippy> what do people use for video on ubuntu is it vlc or does anything top vlc?
[10:37] <Spec> vlc :)
[10:37] <lns> I really like xine
[10:37] <lns> totem works well too, kinda bulky thou
[10:37] <cbx33> vlc is nice
[10:37] <cbx33> mplayer too
[10:37] <cbx33> SnrWhippy, surely that volume copying takes foreve?
[10:38] <cbx33> on the converter?
[10:38] <SnrWhippy> for the converter its actually not that bad
[10:38] <cbx33> and you must have to have the same storage on the VMWare server
[10:38] <cbx33> than you do in the machine you are colning
[10:38] <SnrWhippy> yeah but only of used space
[10:38] <cbx33> reallY?
[10:39] <cbx33> does it dynamically grow the hdd then?
[10:39] <cbx33> that's freakin awesome
[10:39] <SnrWhippy> yep
[10:39] <cbx33> sooo
[10:39] <SnrWhippy> vmware is always awesome
[10:40] <SnrWhippy> whats this project name thing you want?
[10:40] <SnrWhippy> strange i got loads of messages at once
[10:41] <SnrWhippy> wish i could type faster might have to keep going on Ktouch
[10:41] <cbx33> when it says the converter server intalls the agent on the client machine
[10:42] <cbx33> what kind of authentication does it need to do that?
[10:42] <cbx33> MS login credentials?
[10:42] <cbx33> dose it handle network drives ok too?
[10:44] <SnrWhippy> lns you mentioned totem works well it didnt seem to have any codecs am i missing something off does it need something back end?
[10:44] <lns> SnrWhippy, you need to install whatever video codecs your video requires
[10:45] <lns> depending on what kind of vid it is, you might have to go 'illegal' and download some windows codecs
[10:45] <lns> try googling for /usr/lib/win32
[10:45] <lns> something about that rings a bell
[10:47] <SnrWhippy> i think i am killing my connection with some transfers in the background
[10:48] <mathesis> hi
[10:48] <lns> what's up mathesis
[10:49] <mathesis> lns, do you speak spanish?
[10:49] <SnrWhippy> yep
[10:49] <SnrWhippy> it removes it afterwards
[10:49] <SnrWhippy> i used ms domain admin creds
[10:50] <mathesis> i have run edubuntu server and 5 thin clients
[10:51] <a5benwillis> Hi guys
[10:51] <mathesis> i wan add other pc on the network
[10:51] <a5benwillis> Does anyone know of a god how to for using gdm instead od ldm with edubuntu??????????
[10:51] <a5benwillis> cbx33: Hi
[10:51] <cbx33> hey a5benwillis
[10:51] <mathesis> how can acces internet  for new computer into of the network ltsp
[10:52] <SnrWhippy> how do you mean?
[10:52] <SnrWhippy> i tell you what i shouldnt have installed this ubuntu ive been on the computer so much today i feel like my eyes are going to bleed
[10:52] <SnrWhippy> the wpa problem wasa bit of a pain
[10:54] <a5benwillis> i'll keep googling
[10:55] <lns> mathesis, sorry no :(
[10:58] <SnrWhippy> more like tell me what video codecs i dont require
[10:58] <SnrWhippy> lol
[10:58] <SnrWhippy> thats why i like vlc
[10:58] <SnrWhippy> i'm going to bed i'm wrecked!
[11:00] <SnrWhippy> non free codecs bain of my life
[11:03] <SnrWhippy> cheers lns i'll have a look
[11:14] <lns> hahah
[11:14] <lns> After linux is the dominant OS, we'll work on the video people ;)
[11:41] <cbx33> ping Burgwork I'm off to bed now
[11:41] <cbx33> will be up early tomrorow for a chat if you're around
[11:46] <opapo> does edubuntu have pessulus in its repository?
[11:46] <LaserJock> yes
[11:47] <opapo> thank you
[11:47] <LaserJock> edubuntu has the same repositories as ubuntu
[11:47] <opapo> Is pessulus easy to use?
[11:48] <opapo> Thank you for your help
[11:49] <LaserJock> opapo: I haven't tried pessulus in particular
[11:49] <LaserJock> opapo: I think it should be pretty easy
[11:49] <LaserJock> I've worked with pessulus's big brother sabayon
[11:52] <opapo> is sabayon easy?
[11:52] <LaserJock> I thought it was
[11:52] <LaserJock> sabayon does a lot more
[11:52] <LaserJock> it's more than just locking down gnome preferences
[11:53] <LaserJock> so it sort of depends on how much "locking down" you want to do
[11:54] <sonyvaio> hola
[11:55] <sonyvaio> me pregunto si me pueden echar una manito
[12:02] <opapo> LaserJock: I want students to use Firefox and OpenOffice and that's it
[12:03] <lns> LaserJock, how stable is Sabayon?
[12:03] <lns> could you see using it in a 100+ node environment?
[12:03] <LaserJock> depends on how you define stable I guess
[12:03] <lns> =p
[12:04] <LaserJock> I know people who've deployed it at a uni with 500+ machines
[12:04] <LaserJock> opapo: hmm, and you *just* want to change the menus?
[12:05] <lns> LaserJock, nice. Have you heard about any bugs/things to look out for/things it doesn't cover?
[12:05] <opapo> LaserJock: They can have icons on the desktop that they click on and everything else can be locked down so they can't do any thing else
[12:05] <opapo> that's what I want to happen
[12:06] <LaserJock> well, I'm sure there are bugs (there always are)
[12:06] <LaserJock> and the development has basically stopped
[12:06] <LaserJock> but I think it does a fair amount
[12:06] <opapo> scary
[12:06] <lns> hmm...so maybe better using gconf-editor then
[12:06] <cliebow> opapo: using icewm you can give buttons for only oo and ff
[12:06] <LaserJock> lns: well, sabayon is a profile editor
[12:06] <lns> orphaned OSS projects make baby Jesus cry :(
[12:07] <cliebow> add a locked down nautilus on top if you want deskto p icons
[12:07] <LaserJock> lns: it's not quite so much orphaned, just Red Hat was paying for the development and they moved their people to a different project
[12:08] <opapo> LaserJock: is pessulus kept up-to-date?
[12:08] <LaserJock> yes
[12:08] <LaserJock> opapo: I'd try pessulus first
[12:08] <LaserJock> see if it'll do what you want
[12:08] <opapo> thanks
[12:08] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure if it will or not
[12:08] <LaserJock> if it doesn't I'd try sabayon
[12:08] <LaserJock> they are pretty easy to try out
[12:09] <LaserJock> so it wouldn't be much of an investment to just try them and see
[12:09] <LaserJock> but pessulus is actively developed and light
[12:09] <LaserJock> so it'd be the first choice I think
[12:09] <opapo> I like that it is actively developed
[12:10] <LaserJock> well, sabayon is getting a new developer
[12:10] <LaserJock> it's not like it's really old and rotten
[12:11] <LaserJock> but it isn't really active
[12:11] <opapo> I like active projects