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| Zerlinna | hi Hobbsee ;) | 12:35 |
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| Hobbsee | hey Zerlinna :D | 12:35 |
| Zerlinna | ;-) | 12:35 |
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| jjesse | hmm i'm trying to test the upgrade manager and thought i followed the instructions correctly on the wiki page | 01:46 |
| jjesse | anyone been able to use it? | 01:48 |
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| Venona | I am not sure if this is a feisty problem or kubuntu. But today i did a dist-upgrade and now after logging out I cant get the login box ... All i see is a "black and white snowy" screen. I tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver and I still get the same outcome. I dont have Beryl installed. I have a radeon card. | 01:53 |
| Venona | I tried both ati and vesa drivers and both same outcome | 01:56 |
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| manchicken | I still don't understand why this stupid thing is segfaulting. | 04:03 |
| manchicken | It works in some places, but not others. | 04:03 |
| manchicken | Alot more feisty updates. | 04:04 |
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| manchicken | Interesting, it doesn't seem like the power manager is able to detect my processor CPU.... | 04:20 |
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| jdong | manchicken: is it detecting your non-processor CPUs though? ;-) | 04:29 |
| manchicken | Argh. | 04:30 |
| manchicken | If I could type that'd rock. | 04:30 |
| manchicken | My CPU speed. | 04:30 |
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| manchicken | brb | 04:35 |
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| yuriy | adept just crashed | 04:39 |
| jdong | yuriy: yay, so you get to test apport | 04:41 |
| manchicken | Crashed how? | 04:41 |
| Jucato | thought apport was only for non KDE apps? | 04:42 |
| === Jucato is still confused about that | ||
| yuriy | i tried to install java and the debconf thing popped up | 04:42 |
| yuriy | but there was no accept button | 04:42 |
| yuriy | i clicked next and it assumed i declined | 04:42 |
| Jucato | whoa? | 04:42 |
| jdong | Jucato: heh well does adept register as a kde app or just plain qt? | 04:42 |
| yuriy | i clicked next again, and it told me some packages couldn't be installed | 04:42 |
| yuriy | i clicked ok and it crashed | 04:42 |
| yuriy | and the lock is still there ugh | 04:43 |
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| Jucato | jdong: oh I thought it was a KDE app... :) | 04:43 |
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| yuriy | (now the support question) | 04:43 |
| yuriy | how do i get the lock back? | 04:43 |
| Jucato | !adeptfix | yuriy | 04:43 |
| ubotu | yuriy: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a | 04:43 |
| Jucato | omg! I never thought I'd do that in here.... | 04:43 |
| manchicken | Interesting. | 04:44 |
| yuriy | oooh there's a checkbox | 04:46 |
| yuriy | "if you don't pay any attention to the license you won't figure out how to accept it muahahaha" | 04:47 |
| manchicken | Is there something wrong with 32bit compat stuff for amd64? | 04:49 |
| manchicken | My 32-bit firefox install is unable to connect to anything. | 04:49 |
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| manchicken | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava | 05:07 |
| manchicken | That fixes that issue. | 05:07 |
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| yuriy | where did the storage devices kcm go? | 06:02 |
| yuriy | *storage media | 06:03 |
| yuriy | nvm found it | 06:04 |
| yuriy | kind of confusing having it under notifications, though i see the logic | 06:04 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:05 |
| === Jucato finds the System Settings groupings more logical... but less easy to find if you've been used to kcontrol... | ||
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| Jucato | Hobbsee!!!! | 06:17 |
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| yuriy | Jucato: i find it harder to find things if you already know what you're looking for, but that's what the search for and that's how i found it | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato!!! | 06:22 |
| Jucato | that's the problem.. people actually ignore that search feature... which really amazes me :) | 06:22 |
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| yuriy | yeah i never used it before heh | 06:27 |
| yuriy | hiya Hobbsee! | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | hey yuriy :) | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | nice bug work, btw... | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: you're adding to my inbox :P | 06:28 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: thanks. glad to overflow some mail folders | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 06:29 |
| === Hobbsee wonders how much tonio_ or Riddell know about kdesu | ||
| === Jucato wonders what about kdesu... | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: bug 50971 | 06:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50971 in kdebase "kdesu will not start apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971 | 06:34 |
| Jucato | ouch... | 06:35 |
| Hobbsee | rather | 06:37 |
| Jucato | ok this is getting a bit... not amusing... :( | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | but previously we didnt know why it had failed - just that it randomly would | 06:37 |
| yuriy | why do i not see that one | 06:37 |
| Jucato | are we dropping support for GIF in Krita? | 06:37 |
| yuriy | on confirmed | 06:37 |
| yuriy | if i misread that maybe i should stop for the night heh | 06:37 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: dunno. i'd poke Riddell or tonio_ at that one though, see if they can squash it | 06:37 |
| yuriy | *oh | 06:37 |
| yuriy | (not on) | 06:37 |
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| yuriy | heh a workaround posted on a bug just solved a problem for me | 06:42 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: hrm? the sudo -K? | 06:42 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: no, bug 57666 | 06:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57666 | 06:43 |
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| Hobbsee | yuriy: ahh, yes | 06:45 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: currently searching for dupes. of course i never bothered to do anything about the issue myself, but it's an annoying one | 06:45 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 06:45 |
| yuriy | hmm looks like that's the only report. i find that strange because i ran into that on every machine i've tried to install a printer on | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | might be under ubuntu or something. maybe kdelibs. *shrug* | 06:46 |
| === Hobbsee isnt sure what the solution is, either. | ||
| yuriy | as always i'm tempted to up the importance just because i have the problem :o | 06:47 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:48 |
| yuriy | not that i've done that.. | 06:48 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what this metabar thing is | ||
| yuriy | Hobbsee: in konqueror side bar, the thing with the M and gear | 06:49 |
| yuriy | it gives you information about selected files and actions for some filetypes | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | could you possibly attach a screenshot to the bug? | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | seems it's not the thing that happens when you hit f9 | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | ooh, i see | 06:50 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: it's in that sidebar for f9 | 06:50 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 06:50 |
| yuriy | just noticed, it's not capitalized. that looks ugly | 06:50 |
| Hobbsee | so it is. | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | well, i'ts enabled by default in feisty | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: better to file that one upstream, but i'm almost certian it wont be fixed | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | (because upstream's focus is on kde 4) | 06:54 |
| Jucato | Metabar | 06:54 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: which bug? | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: the metabar one | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | bug 47406 | 06:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 47406 in kdebase "Metabar issues (dapper)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47406 | 06:54 |
| yuriy | k, cuz there were 2 | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 06:55 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt remember the other one | ||
| yuriy | Hobbsee: bug 80880 | 06:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80880 in kdebase "metabar broken in konqueror, 3.5.6" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80880 | 06:56 |
| === Jucato tries to read up... | ||
| === Hobbsee waits for the beta to connect | ||
| yuriy | ironic how bug work is all non-OSS software: launchpad+opera | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:59 |
| Jucato | yuriy: can't reproduce that last metabar bug | 06:59 |
| === Hobbsee likes the new beta | ||
| === Hobbsee cant, either | ||
| Jucato | what beta? | 07:00 |
| yuriy | hmm bug 58639, 54052: kdm should either depend on k-d-s or not refer to the kubuntu theme by default | 07:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639 | 07:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 54052 in kdebase "Kdm configuration shouldn't point to kubuntu theme by default on minimal installations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54052 | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: launchpad one | 07:00 |
| Jucato | oh | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | unfortunately, it seems slower | 07:01 |
| yuriy | can it get any slower? | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: the other is a dupe of 58639 | 07:02 |
| Jucato | soon it will be as slow as kde bugzilla :) | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | ugh | 07:02 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: basically i was thinking they suggest 2 different solutions, so keep open whichever one would actually get implemented | 07:04 |
| yuriy | Jucato: there was a post on kdeplanet that said something about upgrading the kde bugzilla software recently. hopefully it'll be a noticeable change | 07:05 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: dunno on that one. | 07:05 |
| Jucato | yuriy: maybe it would be best if kdm didn't depend on k-d-s and didn't refer to the kubuntu theme. then k-d-s could probably just set the proper kdm config when/if it's installed? | 07:05 |
| yuriy | though they already had a fundraiser to get new servers for bugzilla, so i think it's as fast as it's gonna get | 07:05 |
| === Hobbsee wonders abut setting a recommends on k-d-s | ||
| Jucato | yuriy: a dev told me that b.k.o is actually running on the newer hardware they just bought (through donations) | 07:06 |
| yuriy | I agree with Jucato and 54052 | 07:06 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt like that second bug | ||
| Jucato | yuriy: yeah. "kubuntu-specific kdm artwork packages." would be k-d-s right? | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | mainly due to the "shows some errors".... | 07:06 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 07:06 |
| yuriy | well yeah, but i mean as far as the solution goes | 07:06 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you don't like the solution, or you don't like what the bug does? | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | i dont like the way the guy's reported the bug :P | 07:07 |
| Jucato | ah ehehe | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | but yeah, it's probably a sane solution | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | dunno. would have to ask Riddell on it | 07:07 |
| Jucato | I experienced this first hand a lot of times. but I didn't report it as a bug... | 07:07 |
| Jucato | (shame on me) | 07:07 |
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| yuriy | shoulda searched earlier: bug 41720 | 07:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720 | 07:09 |
| Jucato | I'd go for not depending on k-d-s | 07:10 |
| yuriy | maybe it was fixed in dapper but brought back in edgy? | 07:10 |
| yuriy | Jucato: the solution in dapper was to make it unthemed by default, i guess that was changed in edgy | 07:10 |
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| Hobbsee | fdoving: ping? | 07:11 |
| Jucato | probably a regression | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | dunno why i'ts marked as fix released, it's been rejected according to comments | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | hence the fdoving ping | 07:11 |
| DaSkreech | Is the kicker being redone for 7.04? | 07:12 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: what do you mean? | 07:12 |
| === Hobbsee would dupe the others of that, seeing as that has Riddell's response on it | ||
| === Jucato weeps for bug 71711 | ||
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: with the clock, and new stuff on it? | 07:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71711 | 07:12 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: ah the new kicker arrangement? yeah I think so | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | Si | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | I'm Looking at the Chap jjesse is working on. Seems to be describing the old kicker if I recall the changes being made | 07:14 |
| Jucato | hm... | 07:14 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: ping | 07:14 |
| Jucato | would this be another one of those new features/changes unknown to the doc team? | 07:14 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: better point jjesse to the herd 4 kubuntu page | 07:14 |
| === Hobbsee confirms | ||
| Hobbsee | Jucato: possibly. most are discussed in here first, or are in changelogs | 07:15 |
| DaSkreech | It was on the new herd page | 07:15 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yeah, in this case it's on the herd 4 page already | 07:15 |
| Jucato | I just hope we don't see something like the hidden-root argument w/ the doc team again | 07:15 |
| === DaSkreech has been too lazy to get the new herd CD and it seems that my current feisty box is being a child | ||
| Jucato | s/doc team/doc person/ | 07:16 |
| crimsun | anyone having access to an amd64 machine willing to test the fix for bug 19482? | 07:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 19482 in speex "speexenc segfaults on amd64" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19482 | 07:17 |
| crimsun | I'm happy to walk anyone through the verification process | 07:17 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: i was commenting on the bugs and didn't read your comment. i duped them to 58639 and posted the solution and link 59 41720 | 07:17 |
| yuriy | s/59/to | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | bug 58639 | 07:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639 | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 07:18 |
| === Hobbsee shrugs | ||
| Hobbsee | i'ts not a big problem | 07:18 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: feisty has KOffice 1.6.2 now too right? | 07:20 |
| Jucato | hm... who's the maintainer for the mountconfig part of kde-guidance | 07:21 |
| Hobbsee | masarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison koffice | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | koffice | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | koffice | 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | koffice | 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | koffice | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources | 07:22 |
| Hobbsee | so, yes. | 07:22 |
| Jucato | ah kool... | 07:22 |
| Jucato | actually, unkool since no GIF yet :) | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | Whats pretty in 1.6.2? | 07:23 |
| Jucato | http://www.koffice.org/announcements/announce-1.6.2.php | 07:23 |
| lotusleaf | speaking of which, I wanted to update the kubuntu wiki as I have in the past but I can't login to my wiki account due to a booboo on my part, anyone here know a wiki admin? | 07:25 |
| DaSkreech | Is 7.04 shipping with OO.obase? | 07:26 |
| Jucato | Kexi | 07:26 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: http://jucato.org/stuff/freenode_plasma.log | 07:27 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: didn't have time to edit... so everything's there... including join/parts if there are any :) | 07:27 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: woot :) | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: thanks! | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | lotusleaf: try #launchpad i guess | 07:28 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: thx i tried the other day and waited about 6 - 8 hrs but no reply :) I'll try again thx | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | lotusleaf: did you try on a weekend? | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I know it's shipping with Kexi. It's not shipping with Base? | 07:28 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: yup :) | 07:28 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: afaik, no more OO.o Base | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | As i had understood OO.o it was one huge core with each of the "apps" being views of the main core | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | Just wondered if it was actaully possible to remove an application from the suite | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | though I guess removing all the icons would effectively do the same | 07:29 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: not sure really. don't have feisty atm... but if they said "replace", I think they meant "take out the other one" | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I figured. I just would have wanted to talk to the person who did that. AFAMUG that's a difficult task | 07:30 |
| Jucato | hm... afamug.... | 07:31 |
| Jucato | new acronym :) | 07:31 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: ok I'm asking in there again ;) | 07:31 |
| Hobbsee | lotusleaf: that's why. most people dont work on weekends. | 07:31 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: ah, ok. :) | 07:31 |
| lotusleaf | Hobbsee: thx again ;) | 07:31 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: maybe you can ask again when the people concerned are actually awake :) | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I will I just wanted to know As Far As My Understanding Goes ;-) | 07:33 |
| === Jucato sort of understood what afamug meant :) | ||
| yuriy | this plasma log thing is hard to read... | 07:34 |
| === yuriy has no clue what afamug meant | ||
| === Hobbsee has saved it, but hasnt read it yet | ||
| DaSkreech | It's writen in Plasma what do you expect? | 07:34 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: As Far As My Understanding Goes ;-) | 07:34 |
| DaSkreech | Though it is the most common substance in the universe... | 07:34 |
| Jucato | no it's not, afaik | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right | 07:35 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: are there any other bugs with solutions listed? | 07:35 |
| Jucato | I mean, it's not the most commun substance in the universe. fart is :) | 07:35 |
| === Jucato runs and hide | ||
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Only during election season | 07:35 |
| === Jucato apologizes for the format of his plasma log. didn't have time to edit as he didn't have plans of putting it online until Hobbsee looked for a log | ||
| lotusleaf | is kubuntu.org down? | 07:37 |
| DaSkreech | By simply right-clicking on the desktop and selecting Configure Desktop a great deal of changes can be made. KDesktop, as the application is called, is divided into five different sections: background, behavior, multiple desktops, screen saver, and display. | 07:37 |
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| DaSkreech | I have issues with this statement. Just checking if anyone else concurs | 07:37 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: where's that? | 07:37 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: you mean in general? | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Page 260 | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/55299 should be automatically fixed with the fade | 07:38 |
| lotusleaf | nevermind it finally loads | 07:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 55299 in kdebase "kdesu doesnt grab keyboard (unlike gksu)" [Undecided,Needs info] | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: for kdebase. | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | but yeah | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | someone needs to make a patch for it | 07:38 |
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| Hobbsee | or is it more complicated? hrm. | 07:38 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: there were a couple with solutions, i'll find them | 07:39 |
| xerroz | Is there anyway i can have install a fake distrobution ontop of my existing ubuntu? | 07:39 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: ah I don't have that... | 07:39 |
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| DaSkreech | Jucato: It isn't true for you either is it? | 07:39 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: bug 46682 has a patch | 07:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 46682 in kdebase "ksplash hangs on initializing system services sometimes if "Start with an empty session" is enabled" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46682 | 07:40 |
| Jucato | "KDesktop, as the application is called, is divided into five different sections: " <--- this is the vague one | 07:40 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Well. according to the instructions given.. it isn't | 07:41 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: can you email me the bug numbers / URL's to me? i'm heading out RSN | 07:41 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: alright. i was going to email something like that to the ml eventually | 07:42 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: technically, it's not KDesktop being separated into 5 sections. but the configuration dialog box | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: that works too :) | 07:42 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: But it's not separated into 5 sections | 07:42 |
| DaSkreech | That's my point | 07:42 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: well, not since Edgy at least | 07:43 |
| Jucato | it's only 4 now | 07:43 |
| DaSkreech | Ok I'll ask for that to be updated | 07:43 |
| DaSkreech | I'll inform about vague wordiness as well | 07:43 |
| Jucato | Display can now only be set through System Settings (or KControl). not sure if it's a KDE 3.5.x thing or Edgy only | 07:43 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: fwiw, the dialog box says "Configure - KDesktop" | 07:44 |
| lotusleaf | I wish kcontrol would've been left in the kmenu | 07:44 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:44 |
| DaSkreech | It isn't? | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | how come Katapult picks it up? | 07:45 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: your setup maybe | 07:45 |
| DaSkreech | Not that I remember what the K-menu is | 07:45 |
| === DaSkreech hugs his katapult | ||
| DaSkreech | Jucato: it works on yours as well don't lie about it :-P | 07:46 |
| Jucato | it doesn't because I didn't add kcontrol to my kmenu :) | 07:46 |
| Jucato | but I did add it in Kommando :P | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, pong | 07:46 |
| DaSkreech | I barely know what kcontrol is :-P | 07:47 |
| lotusleaf | DaSkreech: had it been left in the kmenu... </rant> | 07:48 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: are you busy now, need sponsor upload :) | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | lotusleaf: System Settings is a more friendly way of doing things | 07:48 |
| Jucato | all hail! imbrandon'shere!! :) | 07:49 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: more friendly probably... but needs work, imho... | 07:49 |
| lotusleaf | praise be the imbrandon | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, sure, send me a message with the dsc/diff | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | heya guys | 07:49 |
| Jucato | imbrandon: we (or I) missed you :D | 07:49 |
| Jucato | and Sho's also missing you (or your nightly builds lol!) | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | i'm always arround, just dont speak as much ;) | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | Jucato, yea i know i have to fix those | 07:50 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: yup | 07:50 |
| DaSkreech | But making it the only obvious choice forces us to work on it :) | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon :P | 07:50 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | Oh I forgot to say good night | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | Good night all :) | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | except for you who are wearing sunglasses | 07:51 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: just need sync skim from sid :) | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | sunglasses? | 07:53 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, ahh ok | 07:53 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: meaning "not night time" :) | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 07:54 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: skim in ubuntu is not lintian clean now :) | 07:54 |
| === Hobbsee has a pic published where's she's in sunglasses, see | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: oh *that* pic? | 07:54 |
| Jucato | :D | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 07:54 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/skim/skim_1.4.5-1.dsc | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | gotcha | 07:54 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: raphink was the one near you in that pic right? | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: er......no | 07:55 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Why would i say good night to everyone but you? | 07:55 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: You have a pointy stick! | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | that was seele, and el | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: dunno | 07:55 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ah so not that other one | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | where was this? | 07:55 |
| DaSkreech | Are you two talking on code? | 07:56 |
| DaSkreech | in code rather? | 07:56 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: the one I "accidentally" saw from your site? same place where you have a pic w/ elkbuntu | 07:56 |
| Jucato | so you have a new one eh? :D | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh that one... | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | raphink wasnt in that one | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | or any of those | 07:57 |
| === Hobbsee ahsnt met raphink | ||
| Jucato | ah ok | 07:57 |
| DaSkreech | Woah | 08:01 |
| DaSkreech | Pillow is calling | 08:01 |
| DaSkreech | .o0(Scrawny Pencil Neck) | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | hrm? | 08:03 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: you're googling me? | 08:03 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah You come back as Did you mean Hobbes? :) | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | pescado, the bastard... | 08:04 |
| DaSkreech | for a second I was like yeah I do mean Hobbes. Great lil tiger | 08:04 |
| crimsun | impressive. "Results 1 - 2 of 2 for sarah kubuntu longpointystick. (0.19 seconds)" | 08:04 |
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| DaSkreech | Apparently there is a guy named jjesse ina band called La'gay | 08:06 |
| DaSkreech | That sounds like Maroon 5 :) | 08:06 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: heh. kubuntu and long pointy stick come up with some nice stuff, too | 08:07 |
| DaSkreech | Doom4 :) | 08:08 |
| DaSkreech | Mark shuttleworth for his performance in Million Dollar baby: The Ubuntu story | 08:09 |
| DaSkreech | alright 25 edits in 10 pages is enough for the night | 08:10 |
| DaSkreech | I'll finish tomorrow | 08:10 |
| === DaSkreech laughs at the picture. Perfectionist: Sarah Hobbs | ||
| Hobbsee | which picture? | 08:14 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.beautifulstuff.org/images/perfectionist.jpg | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | that's not me | 08:16 |
| === Hobbsee is no artist | ||
| === DaSkreech looks at the pointy stick | ||
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| yuriy | Hobbsee: did your patch in bug 56206 ever get committed? | 08:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56206 in kdebase "kpersonalizer (the first time wizard) starts every time I start KDE" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56206 | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | dunno | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: it's fixed. | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: i think they patched it another way though | 08:18 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: Tonio_'s solution solves a default install, but according to bug 60311 kpersonalizer still needs fixing for if you actually go out and install it | 08:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 60311 in kdebase "Kpersonalizer start every boot AND after resolution issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60311 | 08:18 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.solomonprojects.com/artistpage/hobbs/img/periodic.jpg | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | a) it's not installed by default, b) i cant reproduce that - that's the way i tested | 08:19 |
| === Hobbsee --> really out, or late for dinner | ||
| yuriy | night Hobbsee | 08:20 |
| Jucato | I thought that was fixed.... | 08:20 |
| === DaSkreech is watching Baby Love Child by Pizzicato 5 (eponymous) [Kaffeine] | ||
| yuriy | trying to test now | 08:20 |
| fdoving | Hobbsee: ack? | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | fdoving: see backscroll | 08:22 |
| === Hobbsee --> really out | ||
| === Hobbsee --> LATE FOR DINNER! ARGH! | ||
| Hobbsee | sounds like yummy dinner, too :) | 08:22 |
| fdoving | ok. | 08:22 |
| fdoving | see /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postinst | 08:22 |
| fdoving | it modifies kdmrc | 08:22 |
| Jucato | wonder who'll she'll it | 08:22 |
| Jucato | er s/who/what/ | 08:22 |
| fdoving | same goes for /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postrm | 08:23 |
| fdoving | so if this problem is back, i don't understand anything. | 08:23 |
| === fdoving checks kdebase packaging. | ||
| Jucato | this is about kdm? | 08:24 |
| fdoving | yes. | 08:24 |
| fdoving | kdm and default theme. | 08:24 |
| Jucato | maybe in kdm package then? | 08:25 |
| fdoving | yes. that's what i suspect. | 08:26 |
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| Jucato | fdoving: kdmrc in the kdm package | 08:26 |
| fdoving | yep. | 08:27 |
| Jucato | UseTheme=true | 08:27 |
| Jucato | Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu | 08:27 |
| fdoving | tada! | 08:27 |
| fdoving | that's the error. | 08:27 |
| fdoving | that should be changed to something else. | 08:27 |
| Jucato | UseTheme should be false, afaik | 08:27 |
| fdoving | circles or whatever it's called. | 08:27 |
| fdoving | doesn't matter really. | 08:27 |
| Jucato | or we're going to use a theme by default? | 08:27 |
| fdoving | why not? | 08:28 |
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| Jucato | no reason :) | 08:28 |
| fdoving | circles is the default theme. | 08:28 |
| DaSkreech | Good night all | 08:28 |
| fdoving | nite DaSkreech. | 08:28 |
| Jucato | yeah. unless you mean vanilla KDE, which doesn't use a theme at all | 08:29 |
| fdoving | i mean, cicles comes with kdm. | 08:29 |
| Jucato | oh yeah | 08:29 |
| fdoving | that used to be the default in ubuntu, back when i closed bug 41720 | 08:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720 | 08:30 |
| Jucato | ah | 08:30 |
| fdoving | no, it wasn't. | 08:31 |
| Jucato | but then you'd also have to patch k-d-s to override the kdmrc settings if it's installed | 08:31 |
| fdoving | that's already done. | 08:31 |
| fdoving | in the postinst and postrm scripts. | 08:31 |
| Jucato | ah | 08:31 |
| Jucato | ok :) | 08:31 |
| fdoving | it's been patched .. so it's a easy fix. | 08:32 |
| fdoving | Riddell: on your next kdebase upload, please remove kubuntu_05_kdm_theme_config.diff it does no good. those things should be done in k-d-s, else kdm needs a depend on k-d-s (which i hope we don't want). | 08:34 |
| fdoving | Riddell: ref. bug 58639 and 41720 | 08:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639 | 08:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720 | 08:34 |
| yuriy | lol i should get confused about what to do with bugs more often. it gets stuff done | 08:36 |
| Jucato | fdoving: ah I see the post* files :) | 08:36 |
| fdoving | good :) | 08:38 |
| fdoving | I have to go visit a customer. bye. | 08:39 |
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| Jucato | Riddell: ping? Krita from KOffice 1.6.2 still has no GIF support? | 12:09 |
| Riddell | people still use GIFs? | 12:11 |
| Jucato | maybe... :) | 12:11 |
| Riddell | Jucato: you have new powers | 12:13 |
| Jucato | Riddell: heh thanks :) | 12:13 |
| Jucato | um.. what does Access 20 bring? | 12:13 |
| Riddell | Jucato: you can kickban people (like ali should he start swearing randomly again) | 12:14 |
| Jucato | ah ok. but I'm already an op... just forgot my previous access level | 12:15 |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 12:15 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: I added Jucato some time ago ;-) | 12:21 |
| apokryphos | you can kickban with level 10 too :P. New with 20 is just use of CLEAR | 12:21 |
| apokryphos | well, and AUTOKICK, but we never use that | 12:21 |
| Jucato | ah ok :) | 12:21 |
| Riddell | oh, so you did | 12:22 |
| === Jucato didn't know if Riddell knew... sorry bout that... | ||
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| Riddell | nothing to be sorry about | 01:10 |
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| Lure | Tonio_, Riddell: can I list you as sponsors for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment | 01:21 |
| Riddell | Lure: certainly | 01:23 |
| Riddell | that process sounds a bit beurocratic but | 01:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yep you can | 01:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you have a look at klavier ? | 01:25 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: just doing so | 01:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: perfect | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: wil probably need a few patches to fix a few UI issues, I'll do it once approved | 01:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will fix install-mp3 today | 01:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, I know, but I am sure they can be fast too ;-) | 01:26 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks a lot for fontconfig fix!!! | 01:27 |
| === Lure can again show his great looking fonts to Windows users ;-) | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433 | 01:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we need to get it uploaded today, universe feature freeze | 01:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oups, looks like I did crappy work that time ;) wanted to do to quick lol, sorry | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning why "build-dep on automake1.7 and not 1.9", build with automake1.9 simply fails, since upstream uses a very old version of admin/ | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll fix all the other points.... sory for those issues | 01:31 |
| Riddell | ok, silly upstream | 01:31 |
| === Tonio_ is ashame of that crappy packaging.... ;) | ||
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| Riddell | grr, klavier is another systray app without any reason | 01:35 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: can makes sense as people needing this might want to restore it very often | 01:36 |
| Riddell | humph | 01:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a few UI issues as it uses the system fonts settings, they probably should be patched for smaller ones | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | I'll do that after it reaches universe | 01:37 |
| Riddell | yes, some of the keys don't fit in the default size | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | E: klavier source: outdated-autotools-helper-file admin/config.guess 2002-10-21 | 01:37 |
| Tonio_ | let's ignore this I guess :) | 01:37 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I tried t to upgrade admin/ and use automake1.9, but build fails due to missing gmo files etc.... | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | that can be patched also, but I think automake1.7 is simply easier waiting for upstream to fix this | 01:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: fine with me | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | I'll ping him | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: reuploaded, with fixes against the small issues... | 01:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the stupid things is to use text... keys should use svg images to fit with the window screen correctly in fact... | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | window size sorry | 01:41 |
| Riddell | fonts are more scalable than svg | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are they ? how ? | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: by changing the fonts size depending the window size ? | 01:42 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:43 |
| Riddell | and fonts have hinting | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433 | 01:43 |
| Riddell | the stupid thing it not to scale the font :) | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum true indeed..... but that requires code patching ;) | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can that be easilly patch according to you ? | 01:43 |
| Riddell | no, it's an upstream issue | 01:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I'll contact upstream today for all the little problems | 01:44 |
| Tonio_ | I think he is french, I might be able to do a nice email :) | 01:45 |
| Riddell | approved! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4441 | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm pinging on revu | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | -motu | 01:45 |
| === Tonio_ just woke up.... | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: aren't you motu ? | 01:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: not yet | 01:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_, seaLne: what is the status of k3b 1.0 for feisty? | 01:51 |
| Riddell | 1.0 hasn't been released | 01:53 |
| Riddell | he's waiting on artwork | 01:53 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I know, but do we have have rc6 .deb packages - there was some problem with rc5 afair | 02:00 |
| Riddell | seaLne might indeed | 02:01 |
| nixternal | moins | 02:11 |
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| Mez | hmm - i cant seem to change my keyboard layout anymore in feisty | 02:25 |
| Riddell | interesting http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=53555 | 02:26 |
| Riddell | Mez: with the kcontrol module? | 02:26 |
| Mez | riddell ... yes | 02:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, much simplier than soundkonverter | 02:27 |
| Riddell | ,zorks for ,e ,ew, | 02:28 |
| Riddell | works for me mez | 02:28 |
| Mez | Riddell, doesnt show anything in there for me | 02:30 |
| Mez | Riddell, kcmshell: ERROR: Cannot find rules file in /usr/share/X11/ | 02:35 |
| Jucato | Riddell: is there anyway to sort of add GIF support to Krita besides recompiling? | 02:38 |
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| Jucato | some magical package that will magically add it :) | 02:39 |
| Riddell | Jucato: oh, it needs to be compiled with graphicsmagick | 02:41 |
| Riddell | only I can't get graphicsmagick in main which imagemagick is in main | 02:42 |
| Jucato | aah so that's why we can't have GIF support? | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we replace imagemagic in main in favor of graphicsmagic ? | 02:43 |
| Jucato | I can totally understand that (and was probably the reason I was looking for) | 02:43 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: there's loads of stuff that build-deps on it | 02:43 |
| Riddell | it may well be do-able but not for feisty | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course, ut that can be fixed... just need to s/imagemagic/graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat no ? | 02:44 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: some things build-dep on the library and those aren't 100% compatible | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | hum okay ;) | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | I just hope apps using imagemagick will switch to graphicsmagick in the future | 02:48 |
| Jucato | ah so we can't have both imagemagick and graphicsmagick in main? | 02:50 |
| Riddell | no, it's duplicated code | 02:50 |
| Jucato | ah I see | 02:51 |
| Jucato | makes sense really :) | 02:51 |
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| nixternal | what application controls sleep/hibernation? | 03:28 |
| Riddell | nixternal: HAL, ksmserver, guidance-power-manager, linux | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | gnome-power-manager and some of the acpi-support stuff? | 03:29 |
| nixternal | heh | 03:29 |
| nixternal | when I put my lappy in sleep, I can wake it up, but the keyboard doesn't work | 03:29 |
| Lathiat | oh thats different | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | thats likely a driver/kernel thing | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | mjg59 mayu have some pointers | 03:30 |
| Zerlinna | ping Riddell | 03:34 |
| Riddell | hi Zerlinna | 03:34 |
| Zerlinna | hi :-) | 03:35 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: we're just filling out the registration for LinuxTag Berlin | 03:35 |
| Riddell | excellent | 03:35 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: we need to know how many kubuntu devs there are worldwide, in Europe, in Germany, and how many of them are paid by Canonical | 03:35 |
| Zerlinna | yes, Czessi is registering it :-) | 03:36 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: btw we're on kubuntu-de.org finally :-D | 03:36 |
| Zerlinna | do you have any numbers? (for "how many devs..") | 03:37 |
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| Riddell | Zerlinna: why do they need to know? | 03:39 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: there's 1 paid by canonical and 31 members in https://beta.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members | 03:39 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: I don't know why but they want to know it (it's a question in the registering form) | 03:40 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: what about kwwii? | 03:40 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: oh, good point, 1.5 paid then | 03:41 |
| Zerlinna | lol | 03:41 |
| GNUro | 'lo! | 03:45 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:01 |
| nixternal | boo | 04:02 |
| nixternal | man, Feisty + my laptop keyboard == buggy as all hell | 04:02 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:03 |
| nixternal | I just lost an entire blog post due to a buggy keyboard | 04:03 |
| bddebian | nixternal: I hope it doesn't have a broadcom wireless ;-) | 04:03 |
| nixternal | yup, but I am using NdisWrapper | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Gah, I refuse to use ndiswrapper :-( | 04:03 |
| nixternal | well I have no other choice really | 04:03 |
| bddebian | Well I had it working with fwcutter, etc up until my last dist-upgrade so I may have no choice either :-( | 04:04 |
| nixternal | heh, fwcutter doesn't work with my card apparently | 04:04 |
| nixternal | unstable according to their website | 04:04 |
| bddebian | Such a freakin' PITA | 04:05 |
| nixternal | so very true | 04:05 |
| nixternal | ahh well, I will mess with it later. It is time for school | 04:05 |
| nixternal | see ya'll later | 04:05 |
| bddebian | Later nixternal | 04:14 |
| fdoving | bddebian: the bcm43xx issue will be fixed in feisty. they accidentally included a non-maintained branch of the experimental dscape driver instead of the stable softmac driver. | 04:18 |
| mhb | good afternoon | 04:19 |
| bddebian | fdoving: This is on feisty :_) | 04:20 |
| bddebian | Heya mhb | 04:20 |
| fdoving | bddebian: that comment is on feisty too. | 04:20 |
| fdoving | the -8 kernel broke bcm43xx. | 04:20 |
| bddebian | Aye | 04:20 |
| fdoving | hi mhb. | 04:20 |
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| Riddell | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main KDE 4 testers needed | 04:27 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Can KDE4 be done in parallel with KDE3? | 04:29 |
| Riddell | manchicken: yes | 04:30 |
| manchicken | Could you put that in the /topic? I'll set it up tonight and play with it. | 04:30 |
| manchicken | I've been wanting to do some KDE4 play for quite some time now. | 04:30 |
| Riddell | manchicken: do you have edgy? | 04:31 |
| === Jucato always dreads announcements like these... | ||
| manchicken | Not for long. | 04:31 |
| manchicken | Oh, wait. | 04:31 |
| manchicken | Yes. | 04:31 |
| manchicken | My wife's machine is on edgy. | 04:31 |
| Riddell | groovy | 04:31 |
| manchicken | (a.k.a. my database server/file server ^_^) | 04:32 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | test the upgrader https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main" | ||
| manchicken | Is this available for feisty, too? | 04:32 |
| Riddell | not currently | 04:32 |
| manchicken | Darn. | 04:32 |
| manchicken | I hope they get that suspend/resume issue fixed in Feisty. | 04:32 |
| manchicken | I do believe I'm too stupid to fix that one. | 04:33 |
| manchicken | I need the smart people to fix it. | 04:33 |
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| DaSkreech | hunger: Congrats | 04:45 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: huch? | 04:46 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: How did I earn that? | 04:46 |
| DaSkreech | 0.3.0 | 04:46 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Oh, thanks! | 04:46 |
| Riddell | of what? | 04:47 |
| hunger | Riddell: Decibel. | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | progress == cookie rewards :) | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Two questions | 04:47 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Shoot. | 04:47 |
| DaSkreech | First is Decibel going to be working with nepomuk? | 04:48 |
| === hunger is tired already and wonders whether he will survive FOSDEM this weekend. | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: klavier uploaded | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | now in NEW | 04:49 |
| Riddell | formidable | 04:50 |
| DaSkreech | take hits of Oxygen and decalre the week after to be Don't call me for any reason" week | 04:50 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: one sec... phone. | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: now I'll try to get it fixed of those little UI defaults, but first I'm fixing the install-mp3 script | 04:51 |
| _Sime_ | hunger: What is your real name? | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about oxygen, wasn't there a plan that we could ship feisty with it ? I don't remember what was discussed in mountain view | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Alright | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | hi _Sime_ | 04:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: nope | 04:52 |
| _Sime_ | hi | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | _Sime_: I thought that was his real name | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay my souvenirs were bad then :) | 04:53 |
| _Sime_ | I'm asking about his real name so that don't be accident say something stupid to him at FOSDEM if I meet him. 8-) | 04:54 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Sorry. | 04:56 |
| hunger | _Sime_: Tobias Hunger. | 04:56 |
| DaSkreech | Hunger Ftw!! | 04:56 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I am not planing on integrating the decibel framework into nepomuk. | 04:56 |
| === DaSkreech is Ghandian today | ||
| hunger | DaSkreech: I see no need to do so. | 04:57 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: I didn't think you would. But it collects incidental stats | 04:57 |
| DaSkreech | I was thinking would either decibel pass info or could it get info on your contacts? | 04:57 |
| DaSkreech | avg chat times, expected online status time etc ? | 04:57 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I would encourage somebody to write a component that integrates the data into nepomuk. | 04:58 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: ok :) if you could bandy that around at teh hackfest :) | 04:58 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: 2 have you heard of Khalki? | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just read the mail on kubuntu-devel and the patches for kdebase, I'll fix it | 04:58 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: The data is available on the decibel interfaces... or at least obtainable:-) | 04:58 |
| === hunger googles. | ||
| hunger | DaSkreech: Nope, I am not. | 04:59 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: What is it? Do you have an URL? | 04:59 |
| _Sime_ | hunger: ok. Come along and say hello to the KDE dev room. | 04:59 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which? | 05:00 |
| hunger | _Sime_: ? | 05:00 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: What does Ftw!! stand for? | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: title is : bugs with solutions posted | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: interesting things in it | 05:00 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: sweet I'll poke nepomuk guys to see if someone is interested | 05:00 |
| === hunger is a confused IRC newbie. | ||
| DaSkreech | hunger: for the win :) | 05:00 |
| manchicken | I'm so proud of my wife. She's learned how to spoof a user-agent to fake out ridiculously restrictive browser sniffers! | 05:01 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: I'm proud of her as well | 05:01 |
| _Sime_ | hunger: KDE dev rom at fosdem, I mean. | 05:01 |
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| DaSkreech | I have no idea what you are talking about | 05:01 |
| manchicken | It's a tough thing to learn how to do if you don't understand what's going on. | 05:01 |
| hunger | _Sime_: Oh, of course I will:-) | 05:01 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: uno moment let me get a link | 05:01 |
| manchicken | You know how in konq you can change the user agent via the tools menu? | 05:02 |
| Riddell | hunger, _Sime_: where are you staying at fosdem? | 05:02 |
| hunger | Riddell: At a friends house. | 05:02 |
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| _Sime_ | Riddell: Jaques (sp?) Brel. | 05:02 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: http://frinring.wordpress.com/2007/02/17/khalkhification-of-kaddressbook/ | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/58639 | 05:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] | 05:03 |
| hunger | Riddell: FOSDEM is a great opportunity to stay in contact with friends in belgium:-) | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't know what to do with this.... | 05:03 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Isen't that the stuff done by Friedrich Kossebau? | 05:03 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: are you thinking of popping over for the weekend?? | 05:03 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: That's what the blog says | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't see any proper solution... | 05:04 |
| Riddell | _Sime_: it's tempting, if I can stay on someone's floor | 05:04 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: He wants to be at the hackfest:-) | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | except making kdm package depends on kds.... | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | but that looks like dangerous for those who don't want kds installed :) | 05:04 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I spend lots of time with him on akademy... I didn't know that he finally found a name for his code:-) | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same problem mentionned here : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/72320 | 05:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72320 in kdebase "/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu does not exist after installing kdm (dup-of: 58639)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] | 05:05 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: I saw but I didn't understand why what he is doing is different from decibel? | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we install the kdm wallpaper within kdm package then ? | 05:06 |
| Riddell | isn't it done by a postinst script? | 05:06 |
| _Sime_ | Riddell: we can sneak you into the Brel, if needed. But you will need something to sleep on. | 05:07 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: fdoving said that it was fixed in Dapper (kdmrc in kdm package not pointing to Kubuntu KDM theme) | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nope, the file is installed with kds, so that people that just install kdm get errors | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: dapper didn't use any default wallpaper for kdm | 05:08 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: its' not just the wallpaper, it's the whole theme | 05:08 |
| Jucato | anyway, that was according to fdoving | 05:08 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Decibel is about establishing a connection to a known person. Khalkhi is about finding that somebody. At least that is what I understood about it. | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yes but just the wallpaper causes the issue to what I can see | 05:08 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Ah so decibel doesn't do presence ? | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | the problem with kdm is that it doesn't read kds settings.... | 05:09 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: It reports presence to something like khalkhi. | 05:09 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: kdmrc in the kdm package by default points to the location of the Kubuntu KDM theme. but that's only installed with kds. | 05:09 |
| Jucato | so if kds isn't installed, you get those erros | 05:10 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Ok then I really don't understand khalki :) | 05:10 |
| Jucato | errors | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yes, this is just what I said :) | 05:10 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: My current plan is to use akonadi as a storage for contacts and to store presence info (when available) there. | 05:10 |
| Jucato | ok.. I think that just means I need to sleep lol | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: 2 solutions : test if kdm reads kds settings, and then change kds with kdmrc file (but I doubt that'll work) | 05:11 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Khalkhi (or whatever) can than look that info up there. | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: second way : install the theme with kdm and not kds | 05:11 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: fdoving was suggesting that kdmrc could just use the circles theme by default. | 05:11 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: the postinst in kds modifies kdmrc to point to the kubuntu theme | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: so let's remove kwwii's work on that ? | 05:11 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: impossible, touching a /etc file via a postinst is a policy violation :) | 05:12 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: well then the kds in edgy violates it :) | 05:12 |
| DaSkreech | !seen Jjesse | 05:12 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jjesse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 05:12 |
| === Jucato just checked earlier... | ||
| Tonio_ | Jucato: what ? edgy kds doesn't touch kdmrc.... | 05:12 |
| === DaSkreech goes to look up akonadi | ||
| === Jucato checks again | ||
| hunger | DaSkreech: Khalkhi is about doing interesting stuff with contact data... Decibel is about realtime communication. I think the projects are rather different. | 05:13 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I just hope Friedrich agrees;-) | 05:13 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: again I really don't understand khalki and now that I understand that.... | 05:13 |
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| DaSkreech | Well if he's working with you and he's in KDE ... | 05:14 |
| DaSkreech | Where we really really like reusing libraries and duplicating apps not the other way around | 05:14 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7046/ | 05:14 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I did not have much contact with him since akademy... but he got some really cool ideas and I hope he will make it to our hackathon. | 05:14 |
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| DaSkreech | hunger: me too shoot him an e-mail | 05:15 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: that's from kubuntu-default-settings_6.10-61_all.deb | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: okay you're right :) | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, but that's ugly :) | 05:15 |
| Jucato | hehe | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I'll try to find a proper way to do it | 05:15 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: kool! :) | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: said I'll "try", not that I will :) | 05:16 |
| Jucato | lol | 05:16 |
| seele | kwwii: ping | 05:16 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I invited him in personal email already. He is not sure yet whether he will have the time to attend. | 05:16 |
| kwwii | seele: in a meeting at the moment, be around in half an hour or so? | 05:16 |
| seele | kwwii: ok, i was just wondering if david vignoni is on RIC | 05:17 |
| seele | *IRC | 05:17 |
| kwwii | seele: the best place to talk to us is #oxygen | 05:18 |
| kwwii | if he is not there now he will be later perhaps :-) | 05:18 |
| DaSkreech | hunger: Well I'll keep up to date on his stuff. You keep on plastering up that pillar of KDE :) | 05:18 |
| === hunger winces. | ||
| DaSkreech | heehee :) | 05:19 |
| hunger | pillar of kde is so pretentious! | 05:19 |
| DaSkreech | They really need to stop doing that | 05:19 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: Well, they are a PR team! They can not really call it "stubbled together code of KDE4" I guess;-) | 05:19 |
| sebas | DaSkreech: You're welcome to join the kde-promo team and change the world today! | 05:20 |
| sebas | :-) | 05:20 |
| DaSkreech | sebas: Do I get an office? :) | 05:21 |
| sebas | No, isn't eternal fame enough? | 05:21 |
| hunger | Ah, the PR mastermind is online:-) | 05:22 |
| sebas | Actually, the pillars thing works extremely well | 05:22 |
| DaSkreech | sebas: Good Few people change the world from an office :) | 05:22 |
| sebas | We get the world press writing about boring system internals this way | 05:22 |
| sebas | You get KOffice then. | 05:23 |
| hunger | sebas: Yes, the reaction was really surprisingly positive. Not only on Decibel but also on the KDE PR team. | 05:23 |
| sebas | Yup | 05:23 |
| sebas | But they're not supposed to say "I love the PR team" but "I want KDE 4" | 05:24 |
| DaSkreech | sebas: ay! Though it doen't have track changes so I can't see what I'm doing to the world :-( | 05:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Jucato: the kds postinst script is still there.... I wonder why we keep patching kdm then..... doesn't make sense | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that a problem for you to change kdmrc file with kds ? sounds like a policy violation, but I don't see a better way to do it.... | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then we should remove the kdmrc patch in kdebase... | 05:47 |
| Riddell | yes, do remove it | 05:47 |
| Riddell | but check the postinst really works as well | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it does | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I need to extend it to also change the wallpaper in /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: better than patching the sources :) | 05:56 |
| Riddell | guess so | 05:57 |
| Riddell | neither is ideal | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes but we don't have any other way to define the kdm wallpaper I'm affraid.... | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'd like to be able to use kds datas for this... | 05:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, the correct way is to fix kdm to read /etc/kderc and use /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings as every other kde app does | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course but that doesn't look like an easy job ;) | 05:59 |
| Riddell | no | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also your goal was to make kdm kds independant..... | 06:05 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | forget this, that dopes imply depends on it... | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | s/dopes/doesn't | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'm building kdebase, then fix kds and upload both once I'm sure everything is okay | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: install-mp3 will be fixed toonight too | 06:07 |
| allee | Tonio_: Can't we divert to change background image? | 06:10 |
| === DaSkreech updates to the new adept :-) | ||
| === DaSkreech hugs changelog | ||
| Tonio_ | allee: bope... | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | nope... | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | I really have problems with my left hand today... | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | s/left/right | 06:14 |
| === allee has always problems with both hands | ||
| Tonio_ | my brain too :'( | 06:14 |
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| allee | hi toma | 06:14 |
| toma | hi allee. all | 06:15 |
| DaSkreech | Do we have a seenbot? | 06:17 |
| toma | allee: are you in belgium this weekend? | 06:18 |
| toma | or anyone else? | 06:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I might be | 06:19 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: no | 06:19 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 06:19 |
| Riddell | toma: ^^ | 06:19 |
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| toma | Riddell: ah, oki, we might meet then ;-) | 06:19 |
| Riddell | toma: where are you staying? | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how ? making usage of alternatives for the kdm theme/wallpaper ? | 06:20 |
| toma | Riddell: if I will go, I will drive there on sunday morning | 06:20 |
| toma | +to (or something) | 06:21 |
| Tonio_ | allee: was that your idea ? | 06:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ignore me, was talking to Tonio_ | 06:21 |
| Riddell | doh | 06:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ignore me, was talking to toma | 06:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe :) | 06:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but how about that ? changing kdmrc to use alternatives, and use a postinst in kdm + kds to define the value ? | 06:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kds install after kdm so the default one on kubuntu would be the kds one I guess | 06:23 |
| Riddell | not sure if you can use alternatives on conffiles | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | I guess so, but I need to investigate | 06:23 |
| Riddell | I'm pretty sure that's why I didn't do it that way | 06:23 |
| === DaSkreech notes that /msg seenserv seen <nick> works for future | ||
| allee | no, conffiles are holy | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum looks like you're right | 06:24 |
| DaSkreech | allee: stop poking holes in the conffiles!! | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: they are just for bin files and env options.... | 06:24 |
| allee | DaSkreech: My plan is to leave them vergin ;) | 06:24 |
| allee | Tonio_: I meant in confile we point to a file that delivered by e.g. kdm. When the other pkgs with the prefered bg is installed divert the default image away | 06:25 |
| allee | Tonio_: users can always change the resource file. So alternatives is a bit overkill | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes I see your idea.... | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | kds could mv the default background to background.bak and link to the new one.... that makes sense, and is way better than touching the rc file :) | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fancy doing like this ? | 06:27 |
| Riddell | I'm not sure that is better | 06:28 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: that'll let files installed on --purge kdm.... that's the problem | 06:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: afaiu this is handled by dpkg. When dpkg-divert is used. slocate should have an example how to do it in postinst prerm | 06:31 |
| allee | as it divert /usr/bin/localte away | 06:31 |
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| DaSkreech | manchicken: ping | 06:37 |
| manchicken | pong | 06:37 |
| === manchicken hugs the OSD. | ||
| DaSkreech | :-) | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | can You validate this statement in Feisty? | 06:38 |
| DaSkreech | Adept is composed of four parts: the installer (Add/Remove Programs), the main program (Adept), adept update-notifier, and adept-updater. | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: interesting, I'll look at that ! | 06:38 |
| fdoving | .. so what makes ksoftirqd/0 use ~90% cpu.. anyone seen that before? | 06:39 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: that's right | 06:40 |
| DaSkreech | DaSkreech: Ok :-) | 06:40 |
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| DaSkreech | Wait | 06:44 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: ok | 06:44 |
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| nixternal | anyone in #kde-devel? do you see me in the channel at all? | 06:47 |
| fdoving | nixternal: can't see you there. | 06:48 |
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| nixternal | hrmm | 06:48 |
| fdoving | problems? | 06:49 |
| nixternal | for some reason my irssi connects are joining correctly | 06:49 |
| === fdoving thinks freenode have a desynecd server somewhere. | ||
| nixternal | you think? | 06:49 |
| nixternal | I have tried a reconnect | 06:49 |
| fdoving | yes. Ridd.ll had problems with this too. | 06:49 |
| Riddell | no I didn't | 06:50 |
| fdoving | in #kubuntu ? | 06:50 |
| nixternal | lol | 06:50 |
| fdoving | you did. | 06:50 |
| Riddell | that was quite different | 06:50 |
| nixternal | fdoving: i have the window for #kde-devel but it doesn't show anything else | 06:50 |
| fdoving | the cause is the same. | 06:50 |
| Riddell | fdoving: why do you think that? | 06:50 |
| fdoving | the servers doesn't agree on the state of channels. | 06:51 |
| fdoving | some servers think you are opped, some servers don't agree on that. | 06:51 |
| Riddell | hmm | 06:51 |
| fdoving | some servers think nixternal is in #kde-devel other doesn't agree. | 06:51 |
| nixternal | fdoving: you are the winner :) | 06:51 |
| fdoving | that's a desync. | 06:51 |
| fdoving | the trick is to locate the desynced server(s) and reconnect it to the network.. iirc. | 06:52 |
| nixternal | it is a desync issue per freenode staffers | 06:52 |
| fdoving | yes. | 06:52 |
| fdoving | i need to reboot, ksoftirqd eats my cpu power. | 06:53 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Is the new Ubuntu Book shipping with the 7.04 DVD? | 06:54 |
| Riddell | I've no idea | 06:54 |
| DaSkreech | Blast | 06:54 |
| DaSkreech | sebas: Any clue? | 06:55 |
| Riddell | I doubt he has any idea either | 06:55 |
| Riddell | try nixternal | 06:55 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: can't tell you | 06:55 |
| nixternal | haha | 06:55 |
| nixternal | I have heard it is shipping with the DVD, but it will be 7.04 nonetheless | 06:55 |
| DaSkreech | :-p I'm editing the Kubuntu chapter i just want to know which way I lean | 06:55 |
| nixternal | wth, you too? | 06:55 |
| DaSkreech | too? | 06:55 |
| nixternal | so it is Jonathan, you and me? | 06:55 |
| DaSkreech | Yup :) | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | Cool send me your changes | 06:56 |
| nixternal | which section are you working on? | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | are you using OO.o? | 06:56 |
| nixternal | I finished up the wirelss | 06:56 |
| nixternal | KWord | 06:56 |
| nixternal | err, ya OO.o | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | I'm not writing it. I'm editing it | 06:56 |
| nixternal | good man, it needs some work | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse is obviously busy | 06:56 |
| DaSkreech | He's introduced new errors since the last book | 06:56 |
| nixternal | well there will be a new wireless section helping with native wifi support, broadcom support and ndiswrapper with a howto on broadcom and ndiswrapper | 06:57 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: When you are done with the wireless send it to me | 06:57 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: when I get home I can do that | 06:57 |
| DaSkreech | colness | 06:57 |
| nixternal | they won't let me use port 25 here at the school :) | 06:57 |
| DaSkreech | Bah that c throws me off | 06:57 |
| DaSkreech | Koolness | 06:57 |
| nixternal | heh | 06:57 |
| nixternal | I told Jonathan that we need to write a Kubuntu book | 06:58 |
| nixternal | there is way to much stuf for one chapter | 06:58 |
| DaSkreech | I know. but I'd have to get the new book and see if it makes sense to strip out the Ubuntu specific stuff apart from the history and canonical things | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | I don't doubt it but it's to convince people it's worth the pain and confusion of two books | 06:59 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Is there any stats of Kubuntu Popularity in comparison to Ubuntu? | 07:00 |
| nixternal | well, all we need to put on the cover is "Kubuntu is better so buy this book instead" | 07:00 |
| DaSkreech | Other than IRC attendance :) | 07:00 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: stat wise I think we are about 1/3 what Ubuntu is in downloads, but I am not 100% positive on that | 07:00 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: someone still needs to print it. and the overall teams needs to segue the three sets of info together | 07:00 |
| nixternal | true | 07:01 |
| Riddell | nixternal is about right | 07:01 |
| Riddell | you may be able to get something out of http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ | 07:01 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: just checking isn't the submission deadline for the chap tomorrow? | 07:04 |
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| nixternal | I am not 100% positive | 07:09 |
| nixternal | the book freeze though is the same as the string freeze according to Jonathan | 07:09 |
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| DaSkreech | !feisty | 07:23 |
| ubotu | The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 | 07:23 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: can I be clear on how the universe and multiverse on bydefault works? | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | is it that they are enabled on need? Or are they on from the start? | 07:27 |
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| Riddell | DaSkreech: enabled at the start | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | ok so the book needs to be updated then :) | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: What package does that? | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | Apt? | 07:32 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: it's done by the installer | 07:33 |
| DaSkreech | Blast. so someone dist-upgrading wouldn't get those changes | 07:34 |
| nixternal | DaSkreech: yes, I had to update the "adding applications" for the documentation, it was easy, I removed the Universe and Multiverse stuff from the old, and just left a note that all of the repos are enabled by default | 07:34 |
| DaSkreech | What am I talking about if I dist-upgraded and it changed my sources.list I'd pee on teh grave of the ubuntu servers | 07:34 |
| nixternal | bbiab, professor is bugging me :) | 07:34 |
| nixternal | haha | 07:34 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: did yuo mention the differences between tehm all? | 07:35 |
| DaSkreech | them | 07:35 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: no change for dist-upgraders | 07:36 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Yeah I realized that's one of those DUh! monents | 07:36 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: but we have software-preferences now in adept so its easier to enable | 07:37 |
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| DaSkreech | Ooooer | 07:37 |
| === DaSkreech looooves teh fade on hover on teh buttons | ||
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| DaSkreech | Riddell: Where are software-preferences? Or shoudl I bug manchicken? | 07:38 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: it's run from adept | 07:38 |
| Riddell | if you have it installed | 07:38 |
| Riddell | see Herd4 page | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | the | 07:38 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee :) | 07:38 |
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| DaSkreech | /me prods manchicken with a BBQ fork | 07:47 |
| Riddell | what for? | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: How do I get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=adept-software-properties.png ? | 07:48 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: I can't find it | 07:48 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: you install latest adept and software-properties-kde and choose Adept->Manage Repositories from the menu | 07:49 |
| DaSkreech | also somethings in the book border very strongly on Libel changelogs | 07:49 |
| DaSkreech | Ah Software-properties-kde | 07:49 |
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| lucascle | Hi! | 07:49 |
| lucascle | Yesterday, I was told to "convert" gdebi to kde. | 07:50 |
| lucascle | But I wonder, what's the difference between gdebi and dpkg -i ? | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: FWIW it doesn't work for me | 07:51 |
| DaSkreech | I just dist-upgraded though so.. Guess I should get the herd4 installer | 07:52 |
| DaSkreech | Another large change in repository management is the ability to add third party repositories if so chosen. | 07:52 |
| DaSkreech | >_< | 07:53 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Think it's worth pointing out the dangers of third party repos to Joe Public? | 07:55 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: sure | 07:59 |
| Riddell | lucascle: gdebi is a GUI | 07:59 |
| Riddell | lucascle: it also does checks to see if it can resolve dependencies | 07:59 |
| lucascle | In the sources? | 08:00 |
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| Riddell | lucascle: yes | 08:00 |
| lucascle | Riddell: Is it woth converting, or should I programm a new app? | 08:01 |
| Riddell | lucascle: it's certainly worth porting | 08:02 |
| Riddell | making a new frontend will be much more reliable than starting a new app | 08:02 |
| lucascle | But would be much easier. | 08:04 |
| lucascle | Riddell: But would be much easier. | 08:04 |
| Riddell | no it wouldn't | 08:04 |
| lucascle | I just do not understand the special aspect of gdebi. It just runns dpkg -i and apt-get install for each dependency, doesn't it? | 08:05 |
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| fdoving | you no longer have to make a repo of your local .deb files to have depends resolved by apt :) | 08:09 |
| fdoving | that's the idea. | 08:09 |
| fdoving | it will of course just make problems when users try to install debian slink .debs from the web, but that's the users problem. | 08:10 |
| lucascle | yes, but that's just what I said: The program checks the dependencies and runs apt for every one. | 08:11 |
| fdoving | much like /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends :) | 08:13 |
| Tonio_ | lucascle: the idea to install the deps would be to eventually use adept_batch | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | and satisfy-depends to read them :) | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | pbuilder-satisfydepends sorry | 08:22 |
| Riddell | lucascle: no, it uses the python-apt library | 08:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no it wouldn't | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay sorry :) | 08:22 |
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| fdoving | pbuilder-statisfydepends picks up the builddepends, and it's dead slow. it just does something similar. | 08:25 |
| fdoving | doing whatever gdebi does in a kde-way is probably the best solution. | 08:25 |
| Tonio_ | fdoving: yeah, sorry for my stupid comment :) | 08:26 |
| fdoving | :) | 08:30 |
| lucascle | ok, another question: how do I tell kdevelop to run properly? ;) | 08:39 |
| lucascle | what packages do I have to install? | 08:39 |
| Tonio_ | hum kdebase fails since latest libxrandr update.... | 08:42 |
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| Tonio_ | checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... no | 09:01 |
| Tonio_ | I'm wondering what causes this.... | 09:01 |
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| Dink|W | Has anyone had issues with the recent dist-upgrades with remote desktop ?? | 09:11 |
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| Tonio_ | mbiebl: ping ? | 09:22 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: ping | 09:22 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: Sorry, did you want something? | 09:29 |
| manchicken | I remember you pinged me a while back but I never saw your question. | 09:29 |
| manchicken | It's been a crazy day. | 09:29 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: two seconds | 09:30 |
| DaSkreech | One was how do I get the software properties | 09:30 |
| DaSkreech | Another was the statement "Another large change in repository management is the ability to add third party repositories if so chosen." I'm not sure if that can go as stated | 09:31 |
| manchicken | That's all a Qt port of the python stuff from software-properties that the gnome folks use. I believe JR did that. | 09:32 |
| manchicken | I think you just try to edit your sources, but I'm not sure. | 09:32 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand what is going wrong with libxrandr.... | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: any moment to help me on that point ? | 09:34 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: I think I got most of the answers already but thanks :) | 09:35 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: What you need a hand with now? | 09:36 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: That's okay. Thanks for letting me at least pretend to be useful ^_^ | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: kdebase ftbfs since krandrtray isn't built | 09:36 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: Plus I got to use this BBQ fork :) | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: the issue is that configure doesn't see Xrandr.h | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | from the log : checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... no | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | the file is there and I noticed an update for libxrandr 2 days ago.... | 09:37 |
| manchicken | Weird. | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: I don't understand what can cause that issue... | 09:37 |
| manchicken | It's not pointing the headers at something funky, and it doesn't have any weird cdbs whatever setup does it? | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: no.... look at that : | 09:39 |
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| Tonio_ | checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... yes | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: looks like checking in the right place.... | 09:39 |
| manchicken | Ooh. | 09:39 |
| manchicken | Does the file really exist, and is it readable? | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 09:40 |
| manchicken | Very strange. | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4606 2007-02-16 13:09 randr.h | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | in /usr/include/X11/extensions | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | weird isn't it ? | 09:40 |
| manchicken | And it's not looking for Xrandr.h to be somewhere explicitly pathed? | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | nope | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | I checked the configure file, let me show you... | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | for ac_header in X11/extensions/Xrandr.h | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | do | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | as_ac_Header=`echo "ac_cv_header_$ac_header" | $as_tr_sh` | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for $ac_header" >&5 | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | echo $ECHO_N "checking for $ac_header... $ECHO_C" >&6; } | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | if { as_var=$as_ac_Header; eval "test \"\${$as_var+set}\" = set"; }; then | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6 | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | else | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: looks like checking in the standard "include" folder, nothing specific | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | standard test like for any other header, but failing.... | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: I tried to regenerate configure with autotools, no change, fails too.... | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | except corrupted Xrandr.h I don't see what can cause this | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: ping ? | 09:44 |
| manchicken | Weird. | 09:44 |
| manchicken | I'm stumped. | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: yes I'm lost on that point.... | 09:45 |
| manchicken | That's why bash needs a debugger. | 09:45 |
| manchicken | Get on that will you? :P | 09:45 |
| manchicken | heh | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | hehe :) | 09:45 |
| manchicken | This move has me stressed all to hell man. | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:299: error: expected ',' or '...' before 'delete' | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | hum interesting | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | I think I have the fix :) | 09:50 |
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| manchicken | Groovy. | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | nope doesn't work..... damn what is this............. | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:299: error: expected ',' or '...' before 'delete' | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | do you see somethings wrong there . | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 09:57 |
| manchicken | I don't have that header. | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | I don't | 09:57 |
| manchicken | What package is it in? | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: sudo apt-get install libxrandr-dev | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see what is the error.... | 09:57 |
| manchicken | Gimme one second... | 09:58 |
| manchicken | Arg, it wants to install more than just that. | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | looks like configure considers 'delete' as a command, not a variable.... | 09:58 |
| manchicken | It's going moderately quick though. | 09:58 |
| manchicken | What line? | 09:59 |
| === DaSkreech thinks of somethign else to ask the Manly man of chicken | ||
| manchicken | The one it installed on my machine doesn't have 299 lines. | 09:59 |
| === manchicken is manlier than you might believe. | ||
| Tonio_ | manchicken: use kate :) | 10:00 |
| manchicken | Who uses kate? | 10:01 |
| manchicken | It still doesn't have a line 299. | 10:01 |
| manchicken | Xrandr.h only has 152 lines. | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: I do when vim for some stupid reasons doesn't have the good lines number lol | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: did you dist-upgrade ? | 10:01 |
| === manchicken uses GNU Emacs... which is perfect in every way. | ||
| manchicken | Ah, you've got the feisty version. | 10:02 |
| manchicken | This machine I'm on is edgy. | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: yes | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | ah...... | 10:02 |
| manchicken | Wanna pastie the copy you've got? | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: sure, gimme a second | 10:03 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 10:03 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks for this: Kubuntu WinFOSS was reduced from 69 to 47 MB by removing Kexi, KDE-PIM and speedcrunch; Ubuntu stays roughly the same size at 45 MB | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/65 | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hey :) | 10:03 |
| Lure | Tonio_: bug is that "delete" is reserved word in C++ (and not in C) | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | hum........... weird | 10:05 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just change delete to anything | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yeah but that might impact something else no ? | 10:06 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: no, it is just header file: .h can have different names (or even w/o names) arguments | 10:06 |
| Lure | than .c | 10:06 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: wb | 10:06 |
| Lure | Tonio_: right fix is to ping upstream to rename it properly to allow include in c++ code | 10:07 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: That's a reserved word in C++. | 10:07 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Try changing the name in that prototype. | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | okay, I'll ping upstream | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: just tested, it works | 10:07 |
| manchicken | Lots of bad variable names there. | 10:07 |
| manchicken | "mode" "data" | 10:08 |
| manchicken | "data" is a bad variable name. | 10:08 |
| nixternal | yo yo, got all my windows showing again: | 10:08 |
| manchicken | w00t | 10:08 |
| manchicken | size... another bad one. | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: How do you configure the Adept_updater ? | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Sweet | 10:09 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: You mean build? | 10:09 |
| manchicken | DaSkreech: make -f admin/Makefile.common && configure --enable-adept | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: No configure | 10:09 |
| manchicken | And if you want to add debug then --enable-debug=full | 10:09 |
| manchicken | The make -f admin/Makefile.common is necessary. | 10:09 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: Adept can also be easily customized as to when Adept Updater checks for updates, which type of updates to check for, and how to handle new updates. | 10:10 |
| manchicken | I don't know how to do that then :P | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | ./src/XrrProperty.c: Bool delete, Bool pending, Atom req_type, | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | ./include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: Bool delete, Bool pending | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | Is it in the new fandalged software properties? | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | should I patch both .h and .c files ? | 10:10 |
| DaSkreech | that I can't get to work :-( | 10:11 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Yeah, that'll break anything in g++ | 10:11 |
| manchicken | The C files shouldn't require patching. | 10:11 |
| manchicken | They'll be accessed through linking afterwards. | 10:11 |
| manchicken | And I don't believe the compiler matches against variable names in prototype matching, just data type. | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: yeah but to make it clean, it's better to keep the same variable names in both c and h files right ? | 10:11 |
| manchicken | Sure. | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's patch and upload then ping upstream and debian for fix | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | thanks for your help | 10:12 |
| manchicken | Especially since that's a bad variable name to begin with... even if it isn't a reserved word. | 10:12 |
| DaSkreech | who did the Software properties on Adept? | 10:12 |
| manchicken | JR | 10:12 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: Seen it? | 10:12 |
| manchicken | Not yet. | 10:12 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 10:13 |
| manchicken | Been too busy trying to get fscking changelog functionality to stop segv-ing | 10:13 |
| manchicken | I may be pinging others to help me with this one though. | 10:15 |
| manchicken | I think I'm too close to the code to see the problem. | 10:15 |
| manchicken | It's Thursday, right? | 10:15 |
| fdoving | yes. | 10:16 |
| Dink|W | In case anyone has problems with x11vnc . You have to add -noxdamage to the x11vnc startup line. I am assuming this is due to the 7.2 upgrades | 10:20 |
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| Tonio_ | wb Riddell | 10:31 |
| sebas | Tonio_: pong | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hi ;) too late, I had the response with manchicken :) | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: it was about the issue with libxrandr | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | I've just sent an email upstream and to debian maintainer with the fix | 10:32 |
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| fdoving | so,are there kickoff packages around? | 10:41 |
| === apokryphos wishes kickoff as default in feisty, but unlikely I guess :( | ||
| fdoving | are there any packages around? | 10:45 |
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| fdoving | my god, that is a huge checkout. | 10:52 |
| fdoving | i thought kickoff was a small little thing. | 10:52 |
| fdoving | it's like a separate kdebase branch. | 10:52 |
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| Tonio_ | manchicken: bad news, it looks like there is lots of things to patch... randrproto.h has the same issue | 10:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: :-( | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: how about this ? | 10:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Bool /* delete */, | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: will that have the same issue ? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | in Xlib.h | 11:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: that is ok for .h | 11:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: only type is needed in .h | 11:00 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: you mean ? | 11:00 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: delete is name, so it is fine to comment it out as you suggested | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | so I simple can s/delete/ /* delete */ then ? | 11:01 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, however you should do it selectively only on .h files your are sure that do not have delete use elsewhere | 11:02 |
| === Lure cannot think about the case, but just to be on the safe side | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: so you wouldn't patch the .c file in my case ? | 11:03 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you should not tuch .c at all | 11:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it will not compile anymore then ;-) | 11:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: commenting out .h is good enough hack for now, upstream should fix it properly | 11:04 |
| manchicken | Tonio_: Well, get on it :P | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure, manchicken: okay I'll worarround that way, send email upstream, and ping debian maintainer for the patch | 11:08 |
| manchicken | Why not just awk/sed it? | 11:09 |
| manchicken | Or perl 1-liner ^_^ | 11:09 |
| manchicken | Especially if they're all the datatype that's an easy token to search/replace for. | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: that needs a patch for the packaging :) | 11:10 |
| Lure | manchicken: right, you can patch files before packaging | 11:10 |
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| fdoving | nite. | 11:21 |
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| DaSkreech | jjesse: Ah the man I was waiting for :) | 11:23 |
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| jjesse | oh boy :) | 11:23 |
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| ryanakca | lol | 11:24 |
| jjesse | whats up DaSkreech | 11:25 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: The deadline for this is tomorrow? | 11:25 |
| DaSkreech | this == chap 7 | 11:25 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: i have to get it ot the publisher by monday, which is why i wnat it back as soon as possible | 11:25 |
| DaSkreech | ok great. Have you worked on it since then? | 11:26 |
| jjesse | some why you have lots of comments? | 11:26 |
| DaSkreech | I see you have sections with notes "i need to write this" type thing | 11:26 |
| DaSkreech | and Yeah a decent set of coments | 11:26 |
| jjesse | good | 11:27 |
| jjesse | yes i know i have some sections w/ write this and add more | 11:27 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal has some things that he said he rewrote that I want to drop in | 11:27 |
| DaSkreech | He's goign to mail them to me later | 11:27 |
| jjesse | ok | 11:27 |
| DaSkreech | You do have a few factual errors. I marked them in Purple | 11:27 |
| jjesse | thanks | 11:28 |
| DaSkreech | Sure ;) | 11:28 |
| DaSkreech | Second thing are tehre kubuntu recipes? | 11:28 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: i don't think so | 11:29 |
| DaSkreech | I have a recipe ( i must have missed the call for them) but it's much more KDeish | 11:29 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: but i wouldn't mind adding them :) :) | 11:29 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 11:29 |
| jjesse | under tips and tricks | 11:29 |
| Lure | Tonio_: maybe you should mention header problem in bug 84731 | 11:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 84731 in xorg "Syncing and merging X.org 7.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84731 | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: will do | 11:31 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: isn't that where recipes go? | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I need to ping Keith Packard for this problem, but this guy has just about 50 different emails :) | 11:31 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just use the one prom announce http://lwn.net/Articles/222696/ | 11:32 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: So send it along with the changes? | 11:33 |
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| danimo | moin! | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: would you mind writing this ? I'mm affraid not to be precise about the technical point reguarding to coding in c++ | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 11:36 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I can do that... | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/66 | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: this is the email I wrote, I hope that describes the problem correctly | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | is that okay for you ? | 11:37 |
| danimo | heya | 11:38 |
| danimo | does anyone have expirience with avahi? | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | hi danimo :) | 11:38 |
| danimo | hi Tonio_, Lure | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: not myself | 11:38 |
| Lure | Tonio_: slight correction http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/67 | 11:39 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you can send it now ;-) | 11:39 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Also how are you going to merge the differences between my file and yours? | 11:39 |
| DaSkreech | Manually? | 11:39 |
| Lure | danimo: me neither (would like to hear from somebody though) | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | danimo: i do but i need to run out | 11:40 |
| Lathiat | danimo: i'll be back in an hour | 11:40 |
| DaSkreech | jjesse: Cause I'm keeping a track of the number of khanges I've made so you can quantify it | 11:40 |
| danimo | Lathiat: ok | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: can you look at randrproto.h ? I guess same problem there.... | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | I'd just like a developper confirmation :) | 11:45 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Great, I love it when problems have already been solved :-) | 11:45 |
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| Tonio_ | sebas: hehe :) | 11:45 |
| sebas | (re: randr) | 11:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: same thing | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: well the problem is that lots of files seem to be impacted.... | 11:46 |
| sebas | Is it known that I've not had a single krandrtray binary that didn't crash since Breezy-ish? | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay I'm patching and emailing for this too... :'( | 11:46 |
| sebas | (Now we're talking randr anyway) | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: I tested it, no issue for me | 11:46 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it is variable name in struct in this case, but here you cannot comment it out! :-( | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: resolution change causes a crash ? | 11:46 |
| Lure | Tonio_: here you need to rename it both in .h and .c to make it work... | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: argh....... | 11:47 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: yeah send it w/ changes | 11:47 |
| jjesse | sorry in-laws showed up so i'm afk a lot :( | 11:47 |
| sebas | Tonio_: often, just clicking it makes it crash | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I must ay I don't really understand the difference, but I'll do | 11:47 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it may work just patching .h before packaging for -dev package, but it is not nice | 11:47 |
| sebas | Usually, it doesn't like nvidia's twinview, it seems to work a bit better on my (single screen) notebook. | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what is the difference with previous case ? | 11:48 |
| sebas | I'm runnig Feisty now on the dualhead box | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: ah oki :) | 11:48 |
| sebas | (I love the panel app button animation, btw) | 11:48 |
| Lure | Tonio_: variable in struct has to have the name, while function arguments just need the type (name is optional, but often used) | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay and what if no .c file ? :) | 11:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: therefore commenting out name in struct will cause compile error | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: apt-get source x11proto-randr | 11:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: if you change only name in .h, then compiling .c with that .h will complain about wrong variable delete | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | there is no other "delete" occurance in the code | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: means that every application uses this .h file will need patching ? | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | nightmare ! | 11:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ok, then .c does not reference that variable and we shoudl be ok to rename it to "doDelete" or something | 11:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: every app using that .h and that variable | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well not if apps are using this right ? | 11:51 |
| Lure | exactly | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: sounds too dangerous.... I've just emailed upstream about that file too, and that's probably better to wait an upstream fix | 11:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yep, you should probably also notify ubuntu-devel... (as X 7.2 is pushed in) | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: in another way I have no doubt that issue will be soon very well known, has it potentially has udge impact.... | 11:55 |
| Lure | Tonio_true | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | no need to ping the earth, the fix is maybe already written :) | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | I've just workarround to compile kdebase, email debian and upstream | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Keith Packard also maintains x11proto-randr, so he'll fix everywhere I guess | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: already fixed ;) | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/lib/libXrandr.git;a=commit;h=c279b64ccca18b14974e413b0b1d55ac81abceda | 11:59 |
| Lure | Tonio_: great | 12:00 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey there | 12:01 |
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