[12:35] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee  ;)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hey Zerlinna :D
[12:35] <Zerlinna> ;-)
[01:46] <jjesse> hmm i'm trying to test the upgrade manager and thought i followed the instructions correctly on the wiki page
[01:48] <jjesse> anyone been able to use it?
[01:53] <Venona>  I am not sure if this is a feisty problem or kubuntu. But today i did a dist-upgrade and now after logging out I cant get the login box ... All i see is a "black and white snowy" screen. I tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver and I still get the same outcome. I dont have Beryl installed. I have a radeon card.
[01:56] <Venona> I tried both ati and vesa drivers and both same outcome
[04:03] <manchicken> I still don't understand why this stupid thing is segfaulting.
[04:03] <manchicken> It works in some places, but not others.
[04:04] <manchicken> Alot more feisty updates.
[04:20] <manchicken> Interesting, it doesn't seem like the power manager is able to detect my processor CPU....
[04:29] <jdong> manchicken: is it detecting your non-processor CPUs though? ;-)
[04:30] <manchicken> Argh.
[04:30] <manchicken> If I could type that'd rock.
[04:30] <manchicken> My CPU speed.
[04:35] <manchicken> brb
[04:39] <yuriy> adept just crashed
[04:41] <jdong> yuriy: yay, so you get to test apport
[04:41] <manchicken> Crashed how?
[04:42] <Jucato> thought apport was only for non KDE apps?
[04:42] <yuriy> i tried to install java and the debconf thing popped up
[04:42] <yuriy> but there was no accept button
[04:42] <yuriy> i clicked next and it assumed i declined
[04:42] <Jucato> whoa?
[04:42] <jdong> Jucato: heh well does adept register as a kde app or just plain qt?
[04:42] <yuriy> i clicked next again, and it told me some packages couldn't be installed
[04:42] <yuriy> i clicked ok and it crashed
[04:43] <yuriy> and the lock is still there ugh
[04:43] <Jucato> jdong: oh I thought it was a KDE app... :)
[04:43] <yuriy> (now the support question)
[04:43] <yuriy> how do i get the lock back?
[04:43] <Jucato> !adeptfix | yuriy
[04:43] <ubotu> yuriy: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:43] <Jucato> omg! I never thought I'd do that in here....
[04:44] <manchicken> Interesting.
[04:46] <yuriy> oooh there's a checkbox
[04:47] <yuriy> "if you don't pay any attention to the license you won't figure out how to accept it muahahaha"
[04:49] <manchicken> Is there something wrong with 32bit compat stuff for amd64?
[04:49] <manchicken> My 32-bit firefox install is unable to connect to anything.
[05:07] <manchicken> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:07] <manchicken> That fixes that issue.
[06:02] <yuriy> where did the storage devices kcm go?
[06:03] <yuriy> *storage media
[06:04] <yuriy> nvm found it
[06:04] <yuriy> kind of confusing having it under notifications, though i see the logic
[06:05] <Jucato> :)
[06:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!
[06:21] <yuriy> Jucato: i find it harder to find things if you already know what you're looking for, but that's what the search for and that's how i found it
[06:22] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!!!
[06:22] <Jucato> that's the problem.. people actually ignore that search feature... which really amazes me :)
[06:27] <yuriy> yeah i never used it before heh
[06:27] <yuriy> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy :)
[06:28] <Hobbsee> nice bug work, btw...
[06:28] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you're adding to my inbox :P
[06:29] <yuriy> Hobbsee: thanks. glad to overflow some mail folders
[06:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: bug 50971
[06:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50971 in kdebase "kdesu will not start apps" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971
[06:35] <Jucato> ouch...
[06:37] <Hobbsee> rather
[06:37] <Jucato> ok this is getting a bit... not amusing... :(
[06:37] <Hobbsee> but previously we didnt know why it had failed - just that it randomly would
[06:37] <yuriy> why do i not see that one
[06:37] <Jucato> are we dropping support for GIF in Krita?
[06:37] <yuriy> on confirmed
[06:37] <yuriy> if i misread that maybe i should stop for the night heh
[06:37] <Hobbsee> yuriy: dunno.  i'd poke Riddell or tonio_ at that one though, see if they can squash it
[06:37] <yuriy> *oh
[06:37] <yuriy> (not on)
[06:42] <yuriy> heh a workaround posted on a bug just solved a problem for me
[06:42] <Hobbsee> yuriy: hrm?  the sudo -K?
[06:43] <yuriy> Hobbsee: no, bug 57666
[06:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57666
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yuriy: ahh, yes
[06:45] <yuriy> Hobbsee: currently searching for dupes. of course i never bothered to do anything about the issue myself, but it's an annoying one
[06:45] <Hobbsee> indeed
[06:46] <yuriy> hmm looks like that's the only report. i find that strange because i ran into that on every machine i've tried to install a printer on
[06:46] <Hobbsee> might be under ubuntu or something.  maybe kdelibs.  *shrug*
[06:47] <yuriy> as always i'm tempted to up the importance just because i have the problem :o
[06:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:48] <yuriy> not that i've done that..
[06:49] <yuriy> Hobbsee: in konqueror side bar, the thing with the M and gear
[06:49] <yuriy> it gives you information about selected files and actions for some filetypes
[06:49] <Hobbsee> could you possibly attach a screenshot to the bug?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> seems it's not the thing that happens when you hit f9
[06:50] <Hobbsee> ooh, i see
[06:50] <yuriy> Hobbsee: it's in that sidebar for f9
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:50] <yuriy> just noticed, it's not capitalized. that looks ugly
[06:51] <Hobbsee> so it is.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts enabled by default in feisty
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yuriy: better to file that one upstream, but i'm almost certian it wont be fixed
[06:54] <Hobbsee> (because upstream's focus is on kde 4)
[06:54] <Jucato> Metabar
[06:54] <yuriy> Hobbsee: which bug?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> yuriy: the metabar one
[06:54] <Hobbsee> bug 47406
[06:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47406 in kdebase "Metabar issues (dapper)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47406
[06:55] <yuriy> k, cuz there were 2
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:56] <yuriy> Hobbsee: bug 80880
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80880 in kdebase "metabar broken in konqueror, 3.5.6" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80880
[06:58] <yuriy> ironic how bug work is all non-OSS software: launchpad+opera
[06:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:59] <Jucato> yuriy: can't reproduce that last metabar bug
[07:00] <Jucato> what beta?
[07:00] <yuriy> hmm bug 58639, 54052: kdm should either depend on k-d-s or not refer to the kubuntu theme by default
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639
[07:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54052 in kdebase "Kdm configuration shouldn't point to kubuntu theme by default on minimal installations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54052
[07:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: launchpad one
[07:00] <Jucato> oh
[07:01] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, it seems slower
[07:02] <yuriy> can it get any slower?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> yuriy: the other is a dupe of 58639
[07:02] <Jucato> soon it will be as slow as kde bugzilla :)
[07:02] <Hobbsee> ugh
[07:04] <yuriy> Hobbsee: basically i was thinking they suggest 2 different solutions, so keep open whichever one would actually get implemented
[07:05] <yuriy> Jucato: there was a post on kdeplanet that said something about upgrading the kde bugzilla software recently. hopefully it'll be a noticeable change
[07:05] <Hobbsee> yuriy: dunno on that one.
[07:05] <Jucato> yuriy: maybe it would be best if kdm didn't depend on k-d-s and didn't refer to the kubuntu theme. then k-d-s could probably just set the proper kdm config when/if it's installed?
[07:05] <yuriy> though they already had a fundraiser to get new servers for bugzilla, so i think it's as fast as it's gonna get
[07:06] <Jucato> yuriy: a dev told me that b.k.o is actually running on the newer hardware they just bought (through donations)
[07:06] <yuriy> I agree with Jucato and 54052
[07:06] <Jucato> yuriy: yeah. "kubuntu-specific kdm artwork packages." would be k-d-s right?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> mainly due to the "shows some errors"....
[07:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:06] <yuriy> well yeah, but i mean as far as the solution goes
[07:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you don't like the solution, or you don't like what the bug does?
[07:07] <Hobbsee> i dont like the way the guy's reported the bug :P
[07:07] <Jucato> ah ehehe
[07:07] <Hobbsee> but yeah, it's probably a sane solution
[07:07] <Hobbsee> dunno.  would have to ask Riddell on it
[07:07] <Jucato> I experienced this first hand a lot of times. but I didn't report it as a bug...
[07:07] <Jucato> (shame on me)
[07:09] <yuriy> shoulda searched earlier: bug 41720
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720
[07:10] <Jucato> I'd go for not depending on k-d-s
[07:10] <yuriy> maybe it was fixed in dapper but brought back in edgy?
[07:10] <yuriy> Jucato: the solution in dapper was to make it unthemed by default, i guess that was changed in edgy
[07:11] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ping?
[07:11] <Jucato> probably a regression
[07:11] <Hobbsee> dunno why i'ts marked as fix released, it's been rejected according to comments
[07:11] <Hobbsee> hence the fdoving ping
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Is the kicker being redone for 7.04?
[07:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: with the clock, and new stuff on it?
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71711
[07:13] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ah the new kicker arrangement? yeah I think so
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Si
[07:14] <DaSkreech> I'm Looking at the Chap jjesse is working on. Seems to be describing the old kicker if I recall the changes being made
[07:14] <Jucato> hm...
[07:14] <freeflying> imbrandon: ping
[07:14] <Jucato> would this be another one of those new features/changes unknown to the doc team?
[07:14] <Jucato> DaSkreech: better point jjesse to the herd 4 kubuntu page
[07:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: possibly.  most are discussed in here first, or are in changelogs
[07:15] <DaSkreech> It was on the new herd page
[07:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yeah, in this case it's on the herd 4 page already
[07:15] <Jucato> I just hope we don't see something like the hidden-root argument w/ the doc team again
[07:16] <Jucato> s/doc team/doc person/
[07:17] <crimsun> anyone having access to an amd64 machine willing to test the fix for bug 19482?
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19482 in speex "speexenc segfaults on amd64" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19482
[07:17] <crimsun> I'm happy to walk anyone through the verification process
[07:17] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i was commenting on the bugs and didn't read your comment. i duped them to 58639 and posted the solution and link 59 41720
[07:17] <yuriy> s/59/to
[07:18] <Hobbsee> bug 58639
[07:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639
[07:18] <Hobbsee> cool
[07:18] <Hobbsee> i'ts not a big problem
[07:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: feisty has KOffice 1.6.2 now too right?
[07:21] <Jucato> hm... who's the maintainer for the mountconfig part of kde-guidance
[07:22] <Hobbsee> masarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison koffice
[07:22] <Hobbsee>    koffice | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[07:22] <Hobbsee>    koffice | 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Packages
[07:22] <Hobbsee>    koffice | 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu3 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/main Sources
[07:22] <Hobbsee>    koffice | 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[07:22] <Hobbsee> so, yes.
[07:22] <Jucato> ah kool...
[07:22] <Jucato> actually, unkool since no GIF yet :)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Whats pretty in 1.6.2?
[07:23] <Jucato> http://www.koffice.org/announcements/announce-1.6.2.php
[07:25] <lotusleaf> speaking of which, I wanted to update the kubuntu wiki as I have in the past but I can't login to my wiki account due to a booboo on my part, anyone here know a wiki admin?
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Is 7.04 shipping with OO.obase?
[07:26] <Jucato> Kexi
[07:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://jucato.org/stuff/freenode_plasma.log
[07:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: didn't have time to edit... so everything's there... including join/parts if there are any :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: woot :)
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: thanks!
[07:28] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: try #launchpad i guess
[07:28] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: thx i tried the other day and waited about 6 - 8 hrs but no reply :) I'll try again thx
[07:28] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: did you try on a weekend?
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I know it's shipping with Kexi. It's not shipping with Base?
[07:28] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: yup :)
[07:29] <Jucato> DaSkreech: afaik, no more OO.o Base
[07:29] <DaSkreech> As i had understood OO.o it was one huge core with each of the "apps" being views of the main core
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Just wondered if it was actaully possible to remove an application from the suite
[07:29] <DaSkreech> though I guess removing all the icons would effectively do the same
[07:30] <Jucato> DaSkreech: not sure really. don't have feisty atm... but if they said "replace", I think they meant "take out the other one"
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah I figured. I just would have wanted to talk to the person who did that. AFAMUG that's a difficult task
[07:31] <Jucato> hm... afamug....
[07:31] <Jucato> new acronym :)
[07:31] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: ok I'm asking in there again ;)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> lotusleaf: that's why.  most people dont work on weekends.
[07:31] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: ah, ok. :)
[07:31] <lotusleaf> Hobbsee: thx again ;)
[07:31] <Jucato> DaSkreech: maybe you can ask again when the people concerned are actually awake :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I will I just wanted to know As Far As My Understanding Goes ;-)
[07:34] <yuriy> this plasma log thing is hard to read...
[07:34] <DaSkreech> It's writen in Plasma what do you expect?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> yuriy: As Far As My Understanding Goes ;-)
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Though it is the most common substance in the universe...
[07:35] <Jucato> no it's not, afaik
[07:35] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[07:35] <Hobbsee> yuriy: are there any other bugs with solutions listed?
[07:35] <Jucato> I mean, it's not the most commun substance in the universe. fart is :)
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Only during election season
[07:37] <lotusleaf> is kubuntu.org down?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> By simply right-clicking on the desktop and selecting Configure Desktop a great deal of changes can be made.  KDesktop, as the application is called, is divided into five different sections: background, behavior, multiple desktops, screen saver, and display.
[07:37] <DaSkreech> I have issues with this statement. Just checking if anyone else concurs
[07:37] <Jucato> DaSkreech: where's that?
[07:38] <yuriy> Hobbsee: you mean in general?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Page 260
[07:38] <Hobbsee> yuriy: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/55299 should be automatically fixed with the fade
[07:38] <lotusleaf> nevermind it finally loads
[07:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55299 in kdebase "kdesu doesnt grab keyboard (unlike gksu)" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[07:38] <Hobbsee> yuriy: for kdebase.
[07:38] <Hobbsee> but yeah
[07:38] <Hobbsee> someone needs to make a patch for it
[07:38] <Hobbsee> or is it more complicated?  hrm.
[07:39] <yuriy> Hobbsee: there were a couple with solutions, i'll find them
[07:39] <xerroz> Is there anyway i can have install a fake distrobution ontop of my existing ubuntu?
[07:39] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ah I don't have that...
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It isn't true for you either is it?
[07:40] <yuriy> Hobbsee: bug 46682 has a patch
[07:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46682 in kdebase "ksplash hangs on initializing system services sometimes if "Start with an empty session" is enabled" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46682
[07:40] <Jucato> "KDesktop, as the application is called, is divided into five different sections: " <--- this is the vague one
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Well. according to the instructions given.. it isn't
[07:41] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you email me the bug numbers / URL's to me?  i'm heading out RSN
[07:42] <yuriy> Hobbsee: alright. i was going to email something like that to the ml eventually
[07:42] <Jucato> DaSkreech: technically, it's not KDesktop being separated into 5 sections. but the configuration dialog box
[07:42] <Hobbsee> yuriy: that works too :)
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: But it's not separated into 5 sections
[07:42] <DaSkreech> That's my point
[07:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: well, not since Edgy at least
[07:43] <Jucato> it's only 4 now
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Ok I'll ask for that to be updated
[07:43] <DaSkreech> I'll inform about vague wordiness as well
[07:43] <Jucato> Display can now only be set through System Settings (or KControl). not sure if it's a KDE 3.5.x thing or Edgy only
[07:44] <Jucato> DaSkreech: fwiw, the dialog box says "Configure - KDesktop"
[07:44] <lotusleaf> I wish kcontrol would've been left in the kmenu
[07:44] <Jucato> :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> It isn't?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> how come Katapult picks it up?
[07:45] <Jucato> DaSkreech: your setup maybe
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Not that I remember what the K-menu is
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Jucato: it works on yours as well don't lie about it :-P
[07:46] <Jucato> it doesn't because I didn't add kcontrol to my kmenu :)
[07:46] <Jucato> but I did add it in Kommando :P
[07:46] <imbrandon> freeflying, pong
[07:47] <DaSkreech> I barely know what kcontrol is :-P
[07:48] <lotusleaf> DaSkreech: had it been left in the kmenu... </rant>
[07:48] <freeflying> imbrandon: are you busy now, need sponsor upload :)
[07:48] <DaSkreech> lotusleaf: System Settings is a more friendly way of doing things
[07:49] <Jucato> all hail! imbrandon'shere!! :)
[07:49] <Jucato> DaSkreech: more friendly probably... but needs work, imho...
[07:49] <lotusleaf> praise be the imbrandon
[07:49] <imbrandon> freeflying, sure, send me a message with the dsc/diff
[07:49] <imbrandon> heya guys
[07:49] <Jucato> imbrandon: we (or I) missed you :D
[07:49] <Jucato> and Sho's also missing you (or your nightly builds lol!)
[07:49] <imbrandon> i'm always arround, just dont speak as much ;)
[07:50] <imbrandon> Jucato, yea i know i have to fix those
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: yup
[07:50] <DaSkreech> But making it the only obvious choice forces us to work on it :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :P
[07:51] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Oh I forgot to say good night
[07:51] <DaSkreech>  Good night all :)
[07:51] <DaSkreech> except for you who are wearing sunglasses
[07:52] <freeflying> imbrandon: just need sync skim from sid :)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> sunglasses?
[07:53] <imbrandon> freeflying, ahh ok
[07:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: meaning "not night time" :)
[07:54] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:54] <freeflying> imbrandon: skim in ubuntu is not lintian clean now :)
[07:54] <Jucato> Hobbsee: oh *that* pic?
[07:54] <Jucato> :D
[07:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:54] <freeflying> imbrandon: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/skim/skim_1.4.5-1.dsc
[07:54] <imbrandon> gotcha
[07:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: raphink was the one near you in that pic right?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: er......no
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Why would i say good night to everyone but you?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: You have a pointy stick!
[07:55] <Hobbsee> that was seele, and el
[07:55] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: dunno
[07:55] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah so not that other one
[07:55] <Hobbsee> where was this?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Are you two talking on code?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> in code rather?
[07:56] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the one I "accidentally" saw from your site? same place where you have a pic w/ elkbuntu
[07:56] <Jucato> so you have a new one eh? :D
[07:57] <Hobbsee> oh that one...
[07:57] <Hobbsee> raphink wasnt in that one
[07:57] <Hobbsee> or any of those
[07:57] <Jucato> ah ok
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Woah
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Pillow is calling
[08:03] <DaSkreech> .o0(Scrawny Pencil Neck)
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hrm?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: you're googling me?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Yeah You come back as Did you mean Hobbes? :)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> pescado, the bastard...
[08:04] <DaSkreech> for a second I was like yeah I do mean Hobbes. Great lil tiger
[08:04] <crimsun> impressive. "Results 1 - 2 of 2 for sarah kubuntu longpointystick. (0.19 seconds)"
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Apparently there is a guy named jjesse ina band called La'gay
[08:06] <DaSkreech> That sounds like Maroon 5 :)
[08:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh.  kubuntu and long pointy stick come up with some nice stuff, too
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Doom4 :)
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Mark shuttleworth for his performance in Million Dollar baby: The Ubuntu story
[08:10] <DaSkreech> alright 25 edits in 10 pages is enough for the night
[08:10] <DaSkreech>  I'll finish tomorrow
[08:14] <Hobbsee> which picture?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> http://www.beautifulstuff.org/images/perfectionist.jpg
[08:15] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:16] <Hobbsee> that's not me
[08:17] <yuriy> Hobbsee: did your patch in bug 56206 ever get committed?
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56206 in kdebase "kpersonalizer (the first time wizard) starts every time I start KDE" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56206
[08:18] <Hobbsee> dunno
[08:18] <Hobbsee> yuriy: it's fixed.
[08:18] <Hobbsee> yuriy: i think they patched it another way though
[08:18] <yuriy> Hobbsee: Tonio_'s solution solves a default install, but according to bug 60311 kpersonalizer still needs fixing for if you actually go out and install it
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60311 in kdebase "Kpersonalizer start every boot AND after resolution issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60311
[08:19] <DaSkreech> http://www.solomonprojects.com/artistpage/hobbs/img/periodic.jpg
[08:19] <Hobbsee> a) it's not installed by default, b) i cant reproduce that - that's the way i tested
[08:20] <yuriy> night Hobbsee
[08:20] <Jucato> I thought that was fixed....
[08:20] <yuriy> trying to test now
[08:21] <fdoving> Hobbsee: ack?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> fdoving: see backscroll
[08:22] <Hobbsee> sounds like yummy dinner, too :)
[08:22] <fdoving> ok.
[08:22] <fdoving> see /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postinst
[08:22] <fdoving> it modifies kdmrc
[08:22] <Jucato> wonder who'll she'll it
[08:22] <Jucato> er s/who/what/
[08:23] <fdoving> same goes for /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postrm
[08:23] <fdoving> so if this problem is back, i don't understand anything.
[08:24] <Jucato> this is about kdm?
[08:24] <fdoving> yes.
[08:24] <fdoving> kdm and default theme.
[08:25] <Jucato> maybe in kdm package then?
[08:26] <fdoving> yes. that's what i suspect.
[08:26] <Jucato> fdoving: kdmrc in the kdm package
[08:27] <fdoving> yep.
[08:27] <Jucato> UseTheme=true
[08:27] <Jucato> Theme=/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[08:27] <fdoving> tada!
[08:27] <fdoving> that's the error.
[08:27] <fdoving> that should be changed to something else.
[08:27] <Jucato> UseTheme should be false, afaik
[08:27] <fdoving> circles or whatever it's called.
[08:27] <fdoving> doesn't matter really.
[08:27] <Jucato> or we're going to use a theme by default?
[08:28] <fdoving> why not?
[08:28] <Jucato> no reason :)
[08:28] <fdoving> circles is the default theme.
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Good night all
[08:28] <fdoving> nite DaSkreech.
[08:29] <Jucato> yeah. unless you mean vanilla KDE, which doesn't use a theme at all
[08:29] <fdoving> i mean, cicles comes with kdm.
[08:29] <Jucato> oh yeah
[08:30] <fdoving> that used to be the default in ubuntu, back when i closed bug 41720
[08:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720
[08:30] <Jucato> ah
[08:31] <fdoving> no, it wasn't.
[08:31] <Jucato> but then you'd also have to patch k-d-s to override the kdmrc settings if it's installed
[08:31] <fdoving> that's already done.
[08:31] <fdoving> in the postinst and postrm scripts.
[08:31] <Jucato> ah
[08:31] <Jucato> ok :)
[08:32] <fdoving> it's been patched .. so it's a easy fix.
[08:34] <fdoving> Riddell: on your next kdebase upload, please remove kubuntu_05_kdm_theme_config.diff it does no good. those things should be done in k-d-s, else kdm needs a depend on k-d-s (which i hope we don't want).
[08:34] <fdoving> Riddell: ref. bug 58639 and 41720
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720
[08:36] <yuriy> lol i should get confused about what to do with bugs more often. it gets stuff done
[08:36] <Jucato> fdoving: ah I see the post* files :)
[08:38] <fdoving> good :)
[08:39] <fdoving> I have to go visit a customer. bye.
[12:09] <Jucato> Riddell: ping? Krita from KOffice 1.6.2 still has no GIF support?
[12:11] <Riddell> people still use GIFs?
[12:11] <Jucato> maybe... :)
[12:13] <Riddell> Jucato: you have new powers
[12:13] <Jucato> Riddell: heh thanks :)
[12:13] <Jucato> um.. what does Access 20 bring?
[12:14] <Riddell> Jucato: you can kickban people (like ali should he start swearing randomly again)
[12:15] <Jucato> ah ok. but I'm already an op... just forgot my previous access level
[12:15] <Jucato> thanks :)
[12:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: I added Jucato some time ago ;-)
[12:21] <apokryphos> you can kickban with level 10 too :P. New with 20 is just use of CLEAR
[12:21] <apokryphos> well, and AUTOKICK, but we never use that
[12:21] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[12:22] <Riddell> oh, so you did
[01:10] <Riddell> nothing to be sorry about
[01:21] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: can I list you as sponsors for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[01:23] <Riddell> Lure: certainly
[01:23] <Riddell> that process sounds a bit beurocratic but
[01:24] <Tonio_> Lure: yep you can
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you have a look at klavier ?
[01:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: just doing so
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: perfect
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: wil probably need a few patches to fix a few UI issues, I'll do it once approved
[01:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will fix install-mp3 today
[01:26] <Lure> Riddell: yep, I know, but I am sure they can be fast too ;-)
[01:27] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks a lot for fontconfig fix!!!
[01:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433
[01:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: we need to get it uploaded today, universe feature freeze
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: oups, looks like I did crappy work that time ;) wanted to do to quick lol, sorry
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning why "build-dep on automake1.7 and not 1.9", build with automake1.9 simply fails, since upstream uses a very old version of admin/
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix all the other points.... sory for those issues
[01:31] <Riddell> ok, silly upstream
[01:35] <Riddell> grr, klavier is another systray app without any reason
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: can makes sense as people needing this might want to restore it very often
[01:36] <Riddell> humph
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: a few UI issues as it uses the system fonts settings, they probably should be patched for smaller ones
[01:37] <Tonio_> I'll do that after it reaches universe
[01:37] <Riddell> yes, some of the keys don't fit in the default size
[01:37] <Tonio_> E: klavier source: outdated-autotools-helper-file admin/config.guess 2002-10-21
[01:37] <Tonio_> let's ignore this I guess :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tried t to upgrade admin/ and use automake1.9, but build fails due to missing gmo files etc....
[01:39] <Tonio_> that can be patched also, but I think automake1.7 is simply easier waiting for upstream to fix this
[01:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: fine with me
[01:39] <Tonio_> I'll ping him
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: reuploaded, with fixes against the small issues...
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: the stupid things is to use text... keys should use svg images to fit with the window screen correctly in fact...
[01:41] <Tonio_> window size sorry
[01:41] <Riddell> fonts are more scalable than svg
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: are they ? how ?
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: by changing the fonts size depending the window size ?
[01:43] <Riddell> yes
[01:43] <Riddell> and fonts have hinting
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4433
[01:43] <Riddell> the stupid thing it not to scale the font :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum true indeed..... but that requires code patching ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: can that be easilly patch according to you ?
[01:44] <Riddell> no, it's an upstream issue
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll contact upstream today for all the little problems
[01:45] <Tonio_> I think he is french, I might be able to do a nice email :)
[01:45] <Riddell> approved! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4441
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pinging on revu
[01:45] <Tonio_> -motu
[01:49] <Tonio_> Lure: aren't you motu ?
[01:50] <Lure> Tonio_: not yet
[01:51] <Lure> Tonio_, seaLne: what is the status of k3b 1.0 for feisty?
[01:53] <Riddell> 1.0 hasn't been released
[01:53] <Riddell> he's waiting on artwork
[02:00] <Lure> Riddell: I know, but do we have have rc6 .deb packages - there was some problem with rc5 afair
[02:01] <Riddell> seaLne might indeed
[02:11] <nixternal> moins
[02:25] <Mez> hmm - i cant seem to change my keyboard layout anymore in feisty
[02:26] <Riddell> interesting http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=53555
[02:26] <Riddell> Mez: with the kcontrol module?
[02:26] <Mez> riddell ... yes
[02:27] <Lure> Riddell: yep, much simplier than soundkonverter
[02:28] <Riddell> ,zorks for ,e ,ew,
[02:28] <Riddell> works for me mez
[02:30] <Mez> Riddell, doesnt show anything in there for me
[02:35] <Mez> Riddell,  kcmshell: ERROR: Cannot find rules file in /usr/share/X11/
[02:38] <Jucato> Riddell: is there anyway to sort of add GIF support to Krita besides recompiling?
[02:39] <Jucato> some magical package that will magically add it :)
[02:41] <Riddell> Jucato: oh, it needs to be compiled with graphicsmagick
[02:42] <Riddell> only I can't get graphicsmagick in main which imagemagick is in main
[02:42] <Jucato> aah so that's why we can't have GIF support?
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we replace imagemagic in main in favor of graphicsmagic ?
[02:43] <Jucato> I can totally understand that (and was probably the reason I was looking for)
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's loads of stuff that build-deps on it
[02:43] <Riddell> it may well be do-able but not for feisty
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course, ut that can be fixed... just need to s/imagemagic/graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat no ?
[02:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: some things build-dep on the library and those aren't 100% compatible
[02:45] <Tonio_> hum okay ;)
[02:48] <Tonio_> I just hope apps using imagemagick will switch to graphicsmagick in the future
[02:50] <Jucato> ah so we can't have both imagemagick and graphicsmagick in main?
[02:50] <Riddell> no, it's duplicated code
[02:51] <Jucato> ah I see
[02:51] <Jucato> makes sense really :)
[03:28] <nixternal> what application controls sleep/hibernation?
[03:28] <Riddell> nixternal: HAL, ksmserver, guidance-power-manager, linux
[03:29] <Lathiat> gnome-power-manager and some of the acpi-support stuff?
[03:29] <nixternal> heh
[03:29] <nixternal> when I put my lappy in sleep, I can wake it up, but the keyboard doesn't work
[03:30] <Lathiat> oh thats different
[03:30] <Lathiat> thats likely a driver/kernel thing
[03:30] <Lathiat> mjg59 mayu have some pointers
[03:34] <Zerlinna> ping Riddell
[03:34] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna
[03:35] <Zerlinna> hi :-)
[03:35] <Zerlinna> Riddell: we're just filling out the registration for LinuxTag Berlin
[03:35] <Riddell> excellent
[03:35] <Zerlinna> Riddell: we need to know how many kubuntu devs there are worldwide, in Europe, in Germany, and how many of them are paid by Canonical
[03:36] <Zerlinna> yes, Czessi is registering it :-)
[03:36] <Zerlinna> Riddell: btw we're on kubuntu-de.org finally :-D
[03:37] <Zerlinna> do you have any numbers? (for "how many devs..")
[03:39] <Riddell> Zerlinna: why do they need to know?
[03:39] <Riddell> Zerlinna: there's 1 paid by canonical and 31 members in https://beta.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[03:40] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I don't know why but they want to know it (it's a question in the registering form)
[03:40] <Zerlinna> Riddell: what about kwwii?
[03:41] <Riddell> Zerlinna: oh, good point, 1.5 paid then
[03:41] <Zerlinna> lol
[03:45] <GNUro> 'lo!
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <nixternal> boo
[04:02] <nixternal> man, Feisty + my laptop keyboard == buggy as all hell
[04:03] <bddebian> heh
[04:03] <nixternal> I just lost an entire blog post due to a buggy keyboard
[04:03] <bddebian> nixternal: I hope it doesn't have a broadcom wireless ;-)
[04:03] <nixternal> yup, but I am using NdisWrapper
[04:03] <bddebian> Gah, I refuse to use ndiswrapper :-(
[04:03] <nixternal> well I have no other choice really
[04:04] <bddebian> Well I had it working with fwcutter, etc up until my last dist-upgrade so I may have no choice either :-(
[04:04] <nixternal> heh, fwcutter doesn't work with my card apparently
[04:04] <nixternal> unstable according to their website
[04:05] <bddebian> Such a freakin' PITA
[04:05] <nixternal> so very true
[04:05] <nixternal> ahh well, I will mess with it later. It is time for school
[04:05] <nixternal> see ya'll later
[04:14] <bddebian> Later nixternal
[04:18] <fdoving> bddebian: the bcm43xx issue will be fixed in feisty. they accidentally included a non-maintained branch of the experimental dscape driver instead of the stable softmac driver.
[04:19] <mhb> good afternoon
[04:20] <bddebian> fdoving: This is on feisty :_)
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya mhb
[04:20] <fdoving> bddebian: that comment is on feisty too.
[04:20] <fdoving> the -8 kernel broke bcm43xx.
[04:20] <bddebian> Aye
[04:20] <fdoving> hi mhb.
[04:27] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main   KDE 4 testers needed
[04:29] <manchicken> Riddell: Can KDE4 be done in parallel with KDE3?
[04:30] <Riddell> manchicken: yes
[04:30] <manchicken> Could you put that in the /topic?  I'll set it up tonight and play with it.
[04:30] <manchicken> I've been wanting to do some KDE4 play for quite some time now.
[04:31] <Riddell> manchicken: do you have edgy?
[04:31] <manchicken> Not for long.
[04:31] <manchicken> Oh, wait.
[04:31] <manchicken> Yes.
[04:31] <manchicken> My wife's machine is on edgy.
[04:31] <Riddell> groovy
[04:32] <manchicken> (a.k.a. my database server/file server ^_^)
[04:32] <manchicken> Is this available for feisty, too?
[04:32] <Riddell> not currently
[04:32] <manchicken> Darn.
[04:32] <manchicken> I hope they get that suspend/resume issue fixed in Feisty.
[04:33] <manchicken> I do believe I'm too stupid to fix that one.
[04:33] <manchicken> I need the smart people to fix it.
[04:45] <DaSkreech> hunger: Congrats
[04:46] <hunger> DaSkreech: huch?
[04:46] <hunger> DaSkreech: How did I earn that?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> 0.3.0
[04:46] <hunger> DaSkreech: Oh, thanks!
[04:47] <Riddell> of what?
[04:47] <hunger> Riddell: Decibel.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> progress == cookie rewards :)
[04:47] <DaSkreech> hunger: Two questions
[04:47] <hunger> DaSkreech: Shoot.
[04:48] <DaSkreech> First is Decibel going to be working with nepomuk?
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: klavier uploaded
[04:49] <Tonio_> now in NEW
[04:50] <Riddell> formidable
[04:50] <DaSkreech> take hits of Oxygen and decalre the week after to be Don't call me for any reason" week
[04:51] <hunger> DaSkreech: one sec... phone.
[04:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: now I'll try to get it fixed of those little UI defaults, but first I'm fixing the install-mp3 script
[04:51] <_Sime_> hunger: What is your real name?
[04:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about oxygen, wasn't there a plan that we could ship feisty with it ? I don't remember what was discussed in mountain view
[04:52] <DaSkreech> hunger: Alright
[04:52] <Tonio_> hi _Sime_
[04:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope
[04:52] <_Sime_> hi
[04:52] <DaSkreech> _Sime_: I thought that was his real name
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay my souvenirs were bad then :)
[04:54] <_Sime_> I'm asking about his real name so that don't be accident say something stupid to him at FOSDEM if I meet him. 8-)
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: Sorry.
[04:56] <hunger> _Sime_: Tobias Hunger.
[04:56] <DaSkreech>  Hunger Ftw!!
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: I am not planing on integrating the decibel framework into nepomuk.
[04:57] <hunger> DaSkreech: I see no need to do so.
[04:57] <DaSkreech> hunger: I didn't think you would. But it collects incidental stats
[04:57] <DaSkreech> I was thinking would either decibel pass info or could it get info on your contacts?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> avg chat times, expected online status time etc ?
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: I would encourage somebody to write a component that integrates the data into nepomuk.
[04:58] <DaSkreech> hunger: ok :) if you could bandy that around at teh hackfest :)
[04:58] <DaSkreech> hunger: 2 have  you heard of Khalki?
[04:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just read the mail on kubuntu-devel and the patches for kdebase, I'll fix it
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: The data is available on the decibel interfaces... or at least obtainable:-)
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: Nope, I am not.
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: What is it? Do you have an URL?
[04:59] <_Sime_> hunger: ok. Come along and say hello to the KDE dev room.
[05:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: which?
[05:00] <hunger> _Sime_: ?
[05:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: What does Ftw!! stand for?
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: title is : bugs with solutions posted
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting things in it
[05:00] <DaSkreech> hunger: sweet I'll poke nepomuk guys to see if someone is interested
[05:00] <DaSkreech> hunger: for the win :)
[05:01] <manchicken> I'm so proud of my wife.  She's learned how to spoof a user-agent to fake out ridiculously restrictive browser sniffers!
[05:01] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I'm proud of her as well
[05:01] <_Sime_> hunger: KDE dev rom at fosdem, I mean.
[05:01] <DaSkreech>  I have no idea what you are talking about
[05:01] <manchicken> It's a tough thing to learn how to do if you don't understand what's going on.
[05:01] <hunger> _Sime_: Oh, of course I will:-)
[05:01] <DaSkreech> hunger: uno moment let me get a link
[05:02] <manchicken> You know how in konq you can change the user agent via the tools menu?
[05:02] <Riddell> hunger, _Sime_: where are you staying at fosdem?
[05:02] <hunger> Riddell: At a friends house.
[05:02] <_Sime_> Riddell: Jaques (sp?) Brel.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> hunger: http://frinring.wordpress.com/2007/02/17/khalkhification-of-kaddressbook/
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/58639
[05:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:03] <hunger> Riddell: FOSDEM is a great opportunity to stay in contact with friends in belgium:-)
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know what to do with this....
[05:03] <hunger> DaSkreech: Isen't that the stuff done by Friedrich Kossebau?
[05:03] <_Sime_> Riddell: are you thinking of popping over for the weekend??
[05:04] <DaSkreech> hunger: That's what the blog says
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see any proper solution...
[05:04] <Riddell> _Sime_: it's tempting, if I can stay on someone's floor
[05:04] <hunger> DaSkreech: He wants to be at the hackfest:-)
[05:04] <Tonio_> except making kdm package depends on kds....
[05:04] <Tonio_> but that looks like dangerous for those who don't want kds installed :)
[05:05] <hunger> DaSkreech: I spend lots of time with him on akademy... I didn't know that he finally found a name for his code:-)
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: same problem mentionned here : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/72320
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72320 in kdebase "/usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu does not exist after installing kdm (dup-of: 58639)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[05:06] <DaSkreech> hunger: I saw but I didn't understand why what he is doing is different from decibel?
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we install the kdm wallpaper within kdm package then ?
[05:06] <Riddell> isn't it done by a postinst script?
[05:07] <_Sime_> Riddell: we can sneak you into the Brel, if needed. But you will need something to sleep on.
[05:07] <Jucato> Tonio_: fdoving said that it was fixed in Dapper (kdmrc in kdm package not pointing to Kubuntu KDM theme)
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, the file is installed with kds, so that people that just install kdm get errors
[05:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: dapper didn't use any default wallpaper for kdm
[05:08] <Jucato> Tonio_: its' not just the wallpaper, it's the whole theme
[05:08] <Jucato> anyway, that was according to fdoving
[05:08] <hunger> DaSkreech: Decibel is about establishing a connection to a known person. Khalkhi is about finding that somebody. At least that is what I understood about it.
[05:08] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes but just the wallpaper causes the issue to what I can see
[05:09] <DaSkreech> hunger: Ah so decibel doesn't do presence ?
[05:09] <Tonio_> the problem with kdm is that it doesn't read kds settings....
[05:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: It reports presence to something like khalkhi.
[05:09] <Jucato> Tonio_: kdmrc in the kdm package by default points to the location of the Kubuntu KDM theme. but that's only installed with kds.
[05:10] <Jucato> so if kds isn't installed, you get those erros
[05:10] <DaSkreech> hunger: Ok then I really don't understand khalki :)
[05:10] <Jucato> errors
[05:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: yes, this is just what I said :)
[05:10] <hunger> DaSkreech: My current plan is to use akonadi as a storage for contacts and to store presence info (when available) there.
[05:10] <Jucato> ok.. I think that just means I need to sleep lol
[05:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: 2 solutions : test if kdm reads kds settings, and then change kds with kdmrc file (but I doubt that'll work)
[05:11] <hunger> DaSkreech: Khalkhi (or whatever) can than look that info up there.
[05:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: second way : install the theme with kdm and not kds
[05:11] <Jucato> Tonio_: fdoving was suggesting that kdmrc could just use the circles theme by default.
[05:11] <Jucato> Tonio_: the postinst in kds modifies kdmrc to point to the kubuntu theme
[05:11] <Tonio_> Jucato: so let's remove kwwii's work on that  ?
[05:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: impossible, touching a /etc file via a postinst is a policy violation :)
[05:12] <Jucato> Tonio_: well then the kds in edgy violates it :)
[05:12] <DaSkreech> !seen Jjesse
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen jjesse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:12] <Tonio_> Jucato: what ? edgy kds doesn't touch kdmrc....
[05:13] <hunger> DaSkreech: Khalkhi is about doing interesting stuff with contact data... Decibel is about realtime communication. I think the projects are rather different.
[05:13] <hunger> DaSkreech: I just hope Friedrich agrees;-)
[05:13] <DaSkreech> hunger: again I really don't understand khalki and now that I understand that....
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Well if he's working with you and he's in KDE ...
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Where we really really like reusing libraries and duplicating apps not the other way around
[05:14] <Jucato> Tonio_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7046/
[05:14] <hunger> DaSkreech: I did not have much contact with him since akademy... but he got some really cool ideas and I hope he will make it to our hackathon.
[05:15] <DaSkreech> hunger: me too shoot him an e-mail
[05:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: that's from kubuntu-default-settings_6.10-61_all.deb
[05:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay you're right :)
[05:15] <Tonio_> hehe, but that's ugly :)
[05:15] <Jucato> hehe
[05:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'll try to find a proper way to do it
[05:15] <Jucato> Tonio_: kool! :)
[05:16] <Tonio_> Jucato: said I'll "try", not that I will :)
[05:16] <Jucato> lol
[05:16] <seele> kwwii: ping
[05:16] <hunger> DaSkreech: I invited him in personal email already. He is not sure yet whether he will have the time to attend.
[05:16] <kwwii> seele: in a meeting at the moment, be around in half an hour or so?
[05:17] <seele> kwwii: ok, i was just wondering if david vignoni is on RIC
[05:17] <seele> *IRC
[05:18] <kwwii> seele: the best place to talk to us is #oxygen
[05:18] <kwwii> if he is not there now he will be later perhaps :-)
[05:18] <DaSkreech> hunger: Well I'll keep up to date on his stuff. You keep on plastering up that pillar of KDE :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> heehee :)
[05:19] <hunger> pillar of kde is so pretentious!
[05:19] <DaSkreech> They really need to stop doing that
[05:19] <hunger> DaSkreech: Well, they are a PR team! They can not really call it "stubbled together code of KDE4" I guess;-)
[05:20] <sebas> DaSkreech: You're welcome to join the kde-promo team and change the world today!
[05:20] <sebas> :-)
[05:21] <DaSkreech> sebas: Do I get an office? :)
[05:21] <sebas> No, isn't eternal fame enough?
[05:22] <hunger> Ah, the PR mastermind is online:-)
[05:22] <sebas> Actually, the pillars thing works extremely well
[05:22] <DaSkreech> sebas: Good Few people change the world from an office :)
[05:22] <sebas> We get the world press writing about boring system internals this way
[05:23] <sebas> You get KOffice then.
[05:23] <hunger> sebas: Yes, the reaction was really surprisingly positive. Not only on Decibel but also on the KDE PR team.
[05:23] <sebas> Yup
[05:24] <sebas> But they're not supposed to say "I love the PR team" but "I want KDE 4"
[05:25] <DaSkreech> sebas: ay! Though it doen't have track changes so I can't see what I'm doing to the world :-(
[05:46] <Tonio_> Jucato: the kds postinst script is still there.... I wonder why we keep patching kdm then..... doesn't make sense
[05:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that a problem for you to change kdmrc file with kds ? sounds like a policy violation, but I don't see a better way to do it....
[05:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: then we should remove the kdmrc patch in kdebase...
[05:47] <Riddell> yes, do remove it
[05:48] <Riddell> but check the postinst really works as well
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: it does
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I need to extend it to also change the wallpaper in /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: better than patching the sources :)
[05:57] <Riddell> guess so
[05:57] <Riddell> neither is ideal
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but we don't have any other way to define the kdm wallpaper I'm affraid....
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to be able to use kds datas for this...
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, the correct way is to fix kdm to read /etc/kderc and use /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings as every other kde app does
[05:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course but that doesn't look like an easy job ;)
[05:59] <Riddell> no
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: also your goal was to make kdm kds independant.....
[06:06] <Riddell> yes
[06:06] <Tonio_> forget this, that dopes imply depends on it...
[06:06] <Tonio_> s/dopes/doesn't
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm building kdebase, then fix kds and upload both once I'm sure everything is okay
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: install-mp3 will be fixed toonight too
[06:10] <allee> Tonio_:  Can't we divert to change  background image?
[06:13] <Tonio_> allee: bope...
[06:13] <Tonio_> nope...
[06:13] <Tonio_> I really have problems with my left hand today...
[06:14] <Tonio_> s/left/right
[06:14] <Tonio_> my brain too :'(
[06:14] <allee> hi toma
[06:15] <toma> hi allee. all
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Do we have a seenbot?
[06:18] <toma> allee: are you in belgium this weekend?
[06:18] <toma> or anyone else?
[06:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: I might be
[06:19] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no
[06:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:19] <Riddell> toma: ^^
[06:19] <toma> Riddell: ah, oki, we might meet then ;-)
[06:20] <Riddell> toma: where are you staying?
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: how ? making usage of alternatives for the kdm theme/wallpaper ?
[06:20] <toma> Riddell: if I will go, I will drive there on sunday morning
[06:21] <toma> +to (or something)
[06:21] <Tonio_> allee: was that your idea ?
[06:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: ignore me, was talking to Tonio_
[06:21] <Riddell> doh
[06:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: ignore me, was talking to toma
[06:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: but how about that ? changing kdmrc to use alternatives, and use a postinst in kdm + kds to define the value ?
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: kds install after kdm so the default one on kubuntu would be the kds one I guess
[06:23] <Riddell> not sure if you can use alternatives on conffiles
[06:23] <Tonio_> I guess so, but I need to investigate
[06:23] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure that's why I didn't do it that way
[06:24] <allee> no, conffiles are holy
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum looks like you're right
[06:24] <DaSkreech> allee: stop poking holes in the conffiles!!
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: they are just for bin files and env options....
[06:24] <allee> DaSkreech: My plan is to leave them vergin ;)
[06:25] <allee> Tonio_: I meant in confile we point to a file that delivered by e.g. kdm.  When the other pkgs with the prefered bg is installed divert the default image away
[06:26] <allee> Tonio_: users can always change the resource file.  So alternatives is a bit overkill
[06:26] <Tonio_> allee: yes I see your idea....
[06:27] <Tonio_> kds could mv the default background to background.bak and link to the new one.... that makes sense, and is way better than touching the rc file :)
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy doing like this ?
[06:28] <Riddell> I'm not sure that is better
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: that'll let files installed on --purge kdm.... that's the problem
[06:31] <allee> Tonio_:  afaiu this is handled by dpkg.   When dpkg-divert is used.   slocate should have an example how to do it in postinst prerm
[06:31] <allee> as it divert /usr/bin/localte away
[06:37] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ping
[06:37] <manchicken> pong
[06:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:38] <DaSkreech> can You validate this statement in Feisty?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Adept is composed of four parts: the installer (Add/Remove Programs), the main program (Adept), adept update-notifier, and adept-updater.
[06:38] <Tonio_> allee: interesting, I'll look at that !
[06:39] <fdoving> .. so what makes ksoftirqd/0 use ~90% cpu.. anyone seen that before?
[06:40] <Riddell> DaSkreech: that's right
[06:40] <DaSkreech> DaSkreech: Ok :-)
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Wait
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ok
[06:47] <nixternal> anyone in #kde-devel? do you see me in the channel at all?
[06:48] <fdoving> nixternal: can't see you there.
[06:48] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:49] <fdoving> problems?
[06:49] <nixternal> for some reason my irssi connects are joining correctly
[06:49] <nixternal> you think?
[06:49] <nixternal> I have tried a reconnect
[06:49] <fdoving> yes. Ridd.ll had problems with this too.
[06:50] <Riddell> no I didn't
[06:50] <fdoving> in #kubuntu ?
[06:50] <nixternal> lol
[06:50] <fdoving> you did.
[06:50] <Riddell> that was quite different
[06:50] <nixternal> fdoving: i have the window for #kde-devel but it doesn't show anything else
[06:50] <fdoving> the cause is the same.
[06:50] <Riddell> fdoving: why do you think that?
[06:51] <fdoving> the servers doesn't agree on the state of channels.
[06:51] <fdoving> some servers think you are opped, some servers don't agree on that.
[06:51] <Riddell> hmm
[06:51] <fdoving> some servers think nixternal is in #kde-devel other doesn't agree.
[06:51] <nixternal> fdoving: you are the winner :)
[06:51] <fdoving> that's a desync.
[06:52] <fdoving> the trick is to locate the desynced server(s) and reconnect it to the network.. iirc.
[06:52] <nixternal> it is a desync issue per freenode staffers
[06:52] <fdoving> yes.
[06:53] <fdoving> i need to reboot, ksoftirqd eats my cpu power.
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is the new Ubuntu Book shipping with the 7.04 DVD?
[06:54] <Riddell> I've no idea
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Blast
[06:55] <DaSkreech> sebas: Any clue?
[06:55] <Riddell> I doubt he has any idea either
[06:55] <Riddell> try nixternal
[06:55] <nixternal> DaSkreech: can't tell you
[06:55] <nixternal> haha
[06:55] <nixternal> I have heard it is shipping with the DVD, but it will be 7.04 nonetheless
[06:55] <DaSkreech> :-p I'm editing the Kubuntu chapter i just want to know which way I lean
[06:55] <nixternal> wth, you too?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> too?
[06:55] <nixternal> so it is Jonathan, you and me?
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Yup :)
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Cool send me your changes
[06:56] <nixternal> which section are you working on?
[06:56] <DaSkreech>  are you using OO.o?
[06:56] <nixternal> I finished up the wirelss
[06:56] <nixternal> KWord
[06:56] <nixternal> err, ya OO.o
[06:56] <DaSkreech> I'm not writing it. I'm editing it
[06:56] <nixternal> good man, it needs some work
[06:56] <DaSkreech> jjesse is obviously busy
[06:56] <DaSkreech>  He's introduced new errors since the last book
[06:57] <nixternal> well there will be a new wireless section helping with native wifi support, broadcom support and ndiswrapper with a howto on broadcom and ndiswrapper
[06:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: When you are done with the wireless send it to me
[06:57] <nixternal> DaSkreech: when I get home I can do that
[06:57] <DaSkreech> colness
[06:57] <nixternal> they won't let me use port 25 here at the school :)
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Bah that c throws me off
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Koolness
[06:57] <nixternal> heh
[06:58] <nixternal> I told Jonathan that we need to write a Kubuntu book
[06:58] <nixternal> there is way to much stuf for one chapter
[06:59] <DaSkreech> I know. but I'd have to get the new book and see if it makes sense to strip out the Ubuntu specific stuff apart from the history and canonical things
[06:59] <DaSkreech> I don't doubt it but it's to convince people it's worth the pain and confusion of two books
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there any stats of Kubuntu Popularity in comparison to Ubuntu?
[07:00] <nixternal> well, all we need to put on the cover is "Kubuntu is better so buy this book instead"
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Other than IRC attendance :)
[07:00] <nixternal> DaSkreech: stat wise I think we are about 1/3 what Ubuntu is in downloads, but I am not 100% positive on that
[07:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: someone still needs to print it. and the overall teams needs to segue the three sets of info together
[07:01] <nixternal> true
[07:01] <Riddell> nixternal is about right
[07:01] <Riddell> you may be able to get something out of http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[07:04] <DaSkreech> nixternal: just checking isn't the submission deadline for the chap tomorrow?
[07:09] <nixternal> I am not 100% positive
[07:09] <nixternal> the book freeze though is the same as the string freeze according to Jonathan
[07:23] <DaSkreech> !feisty
[07:23] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Riddell: can I be clear on how the universe and multiverse on bydefault works?
[07:27] <DaSkreech>  is it that they are enabled on need? Or are they on from the start?
[07:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: enabled at the start
[07:31] <DaSkreech> ok so the book needs to be updated then :)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Riddell: What package does that?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Apt?
[07:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's done by the installer
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Blast. so someone dist-upgrading wouldn't get those changes
[07:34] <nixternal> DaSkreech: yes, I had to update the "adding applications" for the documentation, it was easy, I removed the Universe and Multiverse stuff from the old, and just left a note that all of the repos are enabled by default
[07:34] <DaSkreech>  What am I talking about if I dist-upgraded and it changed my sources.list I'd pee on teh grave of the ubuntu servers
[07:34] <nixternal> bbiab, professor is bugging me :)
[07:34] <nixternal> haha
[07:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: did yuo mention the differences between tehm all?
[07:35] <DaSkreech> them
[07:36] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no change for dist-upgraders
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Yeah I realized that's one of those DUh! monents
[07:37] <Riddell> DaSkreech: but we have software-preferences now in adept so its easier to enable
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Ooooer
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Where are software-preferences? Or shoudl I bug manchicken?
[07:38] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's run from adept
[07:38] <Riddell> if you have it installed
[07:38] <Riddell> see Herd4 page
[07:38] <DaSkreech> the
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Heehee :)
[07:47] <DaSkreech>  /me prods manchicken with a BBQ fork
[07:48] <Riddell> what for?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> manchicken: How do I get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd4/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=adept-software-properties.png ?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I can't find it
[07:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you install latest adept and software-properties-kde and choose Adept->Manage Repositories from the menu
[07:49] <DaSkreech> also somethings in the book border very strongly on Libel changelogs
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Ah Software-properties-kde
[07:49] <lucascle> Hi!
[07:50] <lucascle> Yesterday, I was told to "convert" gdebi to kde.
[07:51] <lucascle> But I wonder, what's the difference between gdebi and dpkg -i ?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Riddell: FWIW it doesn't work for me
[07:52] <DaSkreech> I just dist-upgraded though so.. Guess I should get the herd4 installer
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Another large change in repository management is the ability to add third party repositories if so chosen.
[07:53] <DaSkreech> >_<
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Think it's worth pointing out the dangers of third party repos to Joe Public?
[07:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: sure
[07:59] <Riddell> lucascle: gdebi is a GUI
[07:59] <Riddell> lucascle: it also does checks to see if it can resolve dependencies
[08:00] <lucascle> In the sources?
[08:00] <Riddell> lucascle: yes
[08:01] <lucascle> Riddell: Is it woth converting, or should I programm a new app?
[08:02] <Riddell> lucascle: it's certainly worth porting
[08:02] <Riddell> making a new frontend will be much more reliable than starting a new app
[08:04] <lucascle> But would be much easier.
[08:04] <lucascle> Riddell: But would be much easier.
[08:04] <Riddell> no it wouldn't
[08:05] <lucascle> I just do not understand the special aspect of gdebi. It just runns dpkg -i and apt-get install for each dependency, doesn't it?
[08:09] <fdoving> you no longer have to make a repo of your local .deb files to have depends resolved by apt :)
[08:09] <fdoving> that's the idea.
[08:10] <fdoving> it will of course just make problems when users try to install debian slink .debs from the web, but that's the users problem.
[08:11] <lucascle> yes, but that's just what I said: The program checks the dependencies and runs apt for every one.
[08:13] <fdoving> much like /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends :)
[08:21] <Tonio_> lucascle: the idea to install the deps would be to eventually use adept_batch
[08:22] <Tonio_> and satisfy-depends to read them :)
[08:22] <Tonio_> pbuilder-satisfydepends sorry
[08:22] <Riddell> lucascle: no, it uses the python-apt library
[08:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: no it wouldn't
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay sorry :)
[08:25] <fdoving> pbuilder-statisfydepends picks up the builddepends, and it's dead slow. it just does something similar.
[08:25] <fdoving> doing whatever gdebi does in a kde-way is probably the best solution.
[08:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: yeah, sorry for my stupid comment :)
[08:30] <fdoving> :)
[08:39] <lucascle> ok, another question: how do I tell kdevelop to run properly? ;)
[08:39] <lucascle> what packages do I have to install?
[08:42] <Tonio_> hum kdebase fails since latest libxrandr update....
[09:01] <Tonio_> checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... no
[09:01] <Tonio_> I'm wondering what causes this....
[09:11] <Dink|W> Has anyone had issues with the recent dist-upgrades with remote desktop ??
[09:22] <Tonio_> mbiebl: ping ?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[09:29] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Sorry, did you want something?
[09:29] <manchicken> I remember you pinged me a while back but I never saw your question.
[09:29] <manchicken> It's been a crazy day.
[09:30] <DaSkreech> manchicken: two seconds
[09:30] <DaSkreech> One was how do I get the software properties
[09:31] <DaSkreech> Another was the statement "Another large change in repository management is the ability to add third party repositories if so chosen." I'm not sure if that can go as stated
[09:32] <manchicken> That's all a Qt port of the python stuff from software-properties that the gnome folks use.  I believe JR did that.
[09:32] <manchicken> I think you just try to edit your sources, but I'm not sure.
[09:33] <Tonio_> I don't understand what is going wrong with libxrandr....
[09:34] <Tonio_> manchicken: any moment to help me on that point ?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I think I got most of the answers already but thanks :)
[09:36] <manchicken> Tonio_: What you need a hand with now?
[09:36] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That's okay.  Thanks for letting me at least pretend to be useful ^_^
[09:36] <Tonio_> manchicken: kdebase ftbfs since krandrtray isn't built
[09:37] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Plus I got to use this BBQ fork :)
[09:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: the issue is that configure doesn't see Xrandr.h
[09:37] <Tonio_> from the log : checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... no
[09:37] <Tonio_> the file is there and I noticed an update for libxrandr 2 days ago....
[09:37] <manchicken> Weird.
[09:37] <Tonio_> manchicken: I don't understand what can cause that issue...
[09:38] <manchicken> It's not pointing the headers at something funky, and it doesn't have any weird cdbs whatever setup does it?
[09:39] <Tonio_> manchicken: no.... look at that :
[09:39] <Tonio_> checking for X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h... yes
[09:39] <Tonio_> manchicken: looks like checking in the right place....
[09:39] <manchicken> Ooh.
[09:39] <manchicken> Does the file really exist, and is it readable?
[09:40] <Tonio_> yes
[09:40] <manchicken> Very strange.
[09:40] <Tonio_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  4606 2007-02-16 13:09 randr.h
[09:40] <Tonio_> in /usr/include/X11/extensions
[09:40] <Tonio_> weird isn't it ?
[09:41] <manchicken> And it's not looking for Xrandr.h to be somewhere explicitly pathed?
[09:41] <Tonio_> nope
[09:41] <Tonio_> I checked the configure file, let me show you...
[09:42] <Tonio_> for ac_header in X11/extensions/Xrandr.h
[09:42] <Tonio_> do
[09:43] <Tonio_> as_ac_Header=`echo "ac_cv_header_$ac_header" | $as_tr_sh`
[09:43] <Tonio_> { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: checking for $ac_header" >&5
[09:43] <Tonio_> echo $ECHO_N "checking for $ac_header... $ECHO_C" >&6; }
[09:43] <Tonio_> if { as_var=$as_ac_Header; eval "test \"\${$as_var+set}\" = set"; }; then
[09:43] <Tonio_>   echo $ECHO_N "(cached) $ECHO_C" >&6
[09:43] <Tonio_> else
[09:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: looks like checking in the standard "include" folder, nothing specific
[09:43] <Tonio_> standard test like for any other header, but failing....
[09:43] <Tonio_> manchicken: I tried to regenerate configure with autotools, no change, fails too....
[09:43] <Tonio_> except corrupted Xrandr.h I don't see what can cause this
[09:44] <Tonio_> sebas: ping ?
[09:44] <manchicken> Weird.
[09:44] <manchicken> I'm stumped.
[09:45] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes I'm lost on that point....
[09:45] <manchicken> That's why bash needs a debugger.
[09:45] <manchicken> Get on that will you? :P
[09:45] <manchicken> heh
[09:45] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[09:45] <manchicken> This move has me stressed all to hell man.
[09:48] <Tonio_> manchicken: /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:299: error: expected ',' or '...' before 'delete'
[09:48] <Tonio_> hum interesting
[09:50] <Tonio_> I think I have the fix :)
[09:53] <manchicken> Groovy.
[09:56] <Tonio_> nope doesn't work..... damn what is this.............
[09:57] <Tonio_> manchicken: /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:299: error: expected ',' or '...' before 'delete'
[09:57] <Tonio_> do you see somethings wrong there .
[09:57] <Tonio_> ?
[09:57] <manchicken> I don't have that header.
[09:57] <Tonio_> I don't
[09:57] <manchicken> What package is it in?
[09:57] <Tonio_> manchicken: sudo apt-get install libxrandr-dev
[09:57] <Tonio_> I don't see what is the error....
[09:58] <manchicken> Gimme one second...
[09:58] <manchicken> Arg, it wants to install more than just that.
[09:58] <Tonio_> looks like configure considers 'delete' as a command, not a variable....
[09:58] <manchicken> It's going moderately quick though.
[09:59] <manchicken> What line?
[09:59] <manchicken> The one it installed on my machine doesn't have 299 lines.
[10:00] <Tonio_> manchicken: use kate :)
[10:01] <manchicken> Who uses kate?
[10:01] <manchicken> It still doesn't have a line 299.
[10:01] <manchicken> Xrandr.h only has 152 lines.
[10:01] <Tonio_> manchicken: I do when vim for some stupid reasons doesn't have the good lines number lol
[10:01] <Tonio_> manchicken: did you dist-upgrade ?
[10:02] <manchicken> Ah, you've got the feisty version.
[10:02] <manchicken> This machine I'm on is edgy.
[10:02] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes
[10:02] <Tonio_> ah......
[10:02] <manchicken> Wanna pastie the copy you've got?
[10:03] <Tonio_> manchicken: sure, gimme a second
[10:03] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:03] <Lure> Riddell: thanks for this: Kubuntu WinFOSS was reduced from 69 to 47 MB by removing Kexi, KDE-PIM and speedcrunch; Ubuntu stays roughly the same size at 45 MB
[10:03] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/65
[10:03] <Tonio_> Lure: hey :)
[10:05] <Lure> Tonio_: bug is that "delete" is reserved word in C++ (and not in C)
[10:05] <Tonio_> hum........... weird
[10:05] <Lure> Tonio_: just change delete to anything
[10:06] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah but that might impact something else no ?
[10:06] <Lure> Tonio_: no, it is just header file: .h can have different names (or even w/o names) arguments
[10:06] <Lure> than .c
[10:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: wb
[10:07] <Lure> Tonio_: right fix is to ping upstream to rename it properly to allow include in c++ code
[10:07] <manchicken> Tonio_: That's a reserved word in C++.
[10:07] <manchicken> Tonio_: Try changing the name in that prototype.
[10:07] <Tonio_> okay, I'll ping upstream
[10:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: just tested, it works
[10:07] <manchicken> Lots of bad variable names there.
[10:08] <manchicken> "mode" "data"
[10:08] <manchicken> "data" is a bad variable name.
[10:08] <nixternal> yo yo, got all my windows showing again:
[10:08] <manchicken> w00t
[10:09] <manchicken> size... another bad one.
[10:09] <DaSkreech> manchicken: How do you configure the Adept_updater ?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Sweet
[10:09] <manchicken> DaSkreech: You mean build?
[10:09] <manchicken> DaSkreech: make -f admin/Makefile.common && configure --enable-adept
[10:09] <DaSkreech> manchicken: No configure
[10:09] <manchicken> And if you want to add debug then --enable-debug=full
[10:09] <manchicken> The make -f admin/Makefile.common is necessary.
[10:10] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Adept can also be easily customized as to when Adept Updater checks for updates, which type of updates to check for, and how to handle new updates.
[10:10] <manchicken> I don't know how to do that then :P
[10:10] <Tonio_> ./src/XrrProperty.c:                  Bool delete, Bool pending, Atom req_type,
[10:10] <Tonio_> ./include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:                    Bool delete, Bool pending
[10:10] <DaSkreech> Is it in the new fandalged software properties?
[10:10] <Tonio_> should I patch both .h and .c files ?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> that I can't get to work :-(
[10:11] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah, that'll break anything in g++
[10:11] <manchicken> The C files shouldn't require patching.
[10:11] <manchicken> They'll be accessed through linking afterwards.
[10:11] <manchicken> And I don't believe the compiler matches against variable names in prototype matching, just data type.
[10:11] <Tonio_> manchicken: yeah but to make it clean, it's better to keep the same variable names in both c and h files right ?
[10:12] <manchicken> Sure.
[10:12] <Tonio_> okay let's patch and upload then ping upstream and debian for fix
[10:12] <Tonio_> thanks for your help
[10:12] <manchicken> Especially since that's a bad variable name to begin with... even if it isn't a reserved word.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> who did the Software properties on Adept?
[10:12] <manchicken> JR
[10:12] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Seen it?
[10:12] <manchicken> Not yet.
[10:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:13] <manchicken> Been too busy trying to get fscking changelog functionality to stop segv-ing
[10:15] <manchicken> I may be pinging others to help me with this one though.
[10:15] <manchicken> I think I'm too close to the code to see the problem.
[10:15] <manchicken> It's Thursday, right?
[10:16] <fdoving> yes.
[10:20] <Dink|W> In case anyone has problems with x11vnc . You have to add -noxdamage to the x11vnc startup line. I am assuming this is due to the 7.2 upgrades
[10:31] <Tonio_> wb Riddell
[10:31] <sebas> Tonio_: pong
[10:32] <Tonio_> sebas: hi ;) too late, I had the response with manchicken :)
[10:32] <Tonio_> sebas: it was about the issue with libxrandr
[10:32] <Tonio_> I've just sent an email upstream and to debian maintainer with the fix
[10:41] <fdoving> so,are there kickoff packages around?
[10:45] <fdoving> are there any packages around?
[10:52] <fdoving> my god, that is a huge checkout.
[10:52] <fdoving> i thought kickoff was a small little thing.
[10:52] <fdoving> it's like a separate kdebase branch.
[10:58] <Tonio_> manchicken: bad news, it looks like there is lots of things to patch... randrproto.h has the same issue
[10:59] <Lure> Tonio_: :-(
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: how about this ?
[10:59] <Tonio_>     Bool                /* delete */,
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: will that have the same issue ?
[11:00] <Tonio_> in Xlib.h
[11:00] <Lure> Tonio_: that is ok for .h
[11:00] <Lure> Tonio_: only type is needed in .h
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: you mean ?
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: delete is name, so it is fine to comment it out as you suggested
[11:01] <Tonio_> so I simple can s/delete/ /* delete */ then ?
[11:02] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, however you should do it selectively only on .h files your are sure that do not have delete use elsewhere
[11:03] <Tonio_> Lure: so you wouldn't patch the .c file in my case ?
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: you should not tuch .c at all
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: it will not compile anymore then ;-)
[11:04] <Lure> Tonio_: commenting out .h is good enough hack for now, upstream should fix it properly
[11:06] <manchicken> Tonio_: Well, get on it :P
[11:08] <Tonio_> Lure, manchicken: okay I'll worarround that way, send email upstream, and ping debian maintainer for the patch
[11:09] <manchicken> Why not just awk/sed it?
[11:09] <manchicken> Or perl 1-liner ^_^
[11:10] <manchicken> Especially if they're all the datatype that's an easy token to search/replace for.
[11:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: that needs a patch for the packaging :)
[11:10] <Lure> manchicken: right, you can patch files before packaging
[11:21] <fdoving> nite.
[11:23] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Ah the man I was waiting for :)
[11:23] <jjesse> oh boy :)
[11:24] <ryanakca> lol
[11:25] <jjesse> whats up DaSkreech
[11:25] <DaSkreech> jjesse: The deadline for this is tomorrow?
[11:25] <DaSkreech> this == chap 7
[11:25] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i have to get it ot the publisher by monday, which is why i wnat it back as soon as possible
[11:26] <DaSkreech> ok great. Have you worked on it since then?
[11:26] <jjesse> some why you have lots of comments?
[11:26] <DaSkreech> I see you have sections with notes "i need to write this" type thing
[11:26] <DaSkreech> and Yeah a decent set of coments
[11:27] <jjesse> good
[11:27] <jjesse> yes i know i have some sections w/ write this and add more
[11:27] <DaSkreech> nixternal has some things that he said he rewrote that  I want to drop in
[11:27] <DaSkreech>  He's goign to mail them to me later
[11:27] <jjesse> ok
[11:27] <DaSkreech> You do have a few factual errors. I marked them in Purple
[11:28] <jjesse> thanks
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Sure ;)
[11:28] <DaSkreech> Second thing are tehre kubuntu recipes?
[11:29] <jjesse> DaSkreech: i don't think so
[11:29] <DaSkreech>  I have a recipe ( i must have missed the call for them) but it's much more KDeish
[11:29] <jjesse> DaSkreech: but i wouldn't mind adding them :) :)
[11:29] <DaSkreech> Ok
[11:29] <jjesse> under tips and tricks
[11:30] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe you should mention header problem in bug  84731
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84731 in xorg "Syncing and merging X.org 7.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84731
[11:31] <Tonio_> Lure: will do
[11:31] <DaSkreech> jjesse: isn't that where recipes go?
[11:31] <Tonio_> Lure: I need to ping Keith Packard for this problem, but this guy has just about 50 different emails :)
[11:32] <Lure> Tonio_: just use the one prom announce http://lwn.net/Articles/222696/
[11:33] <DaSkreech> jjesse: So send it along with the changes?
[11:34] <danimo> moin!
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: would you mind writing this ? I'mm affraid not to be precise about the technical point reguarding to coding in c++
[11:36] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:36] <Lure> Tonio_: I can do that...
[11:36] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/66
[11:37] <Tonio_> Lure: this is the email I wrote, I hope that describes the problem correctly
[11:37] <Tonio_> is that okay for you ?
[11:38] <danimo> heya
[11:38] <danimo> does anyone have expirience with avahi?
[11:38] <Tonio_> hi danimo :)
[11:38] <danimo> hi Tonio_, Lure
[11:38] <Tonio_> danimo: not myself
[11:39] <Lure> Tonio_: slight correction http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/67
[11:39] <Lure> Tonio_: you can send it now ;-)
[11:39] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Also how are you going to merge the differences between my file and yours?
[11:39] <DaSkreech>  Manually?
[11:39] <Lure> danimo: me neither (would like to hear from somebody though)
[11:40] <Lathiat> danimo: i do but i need to run out
[11:40] <Lathiat> danimo: i'll be back in an hour
[11:40] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Cause I'm keeping a track of the number of khanges I've made so you can quantify it
[11:40] <danimo> Lathiat: ok
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: can you look at randrproto.h ? I guess same problem there....
[11:45] <Tonio_> I'd just like a developper confirmation :)
[11:45] <sebas> Tonio_: Great, I love it when problems have already been solved :-)
[11:45] <Tonio_> sebas: hehe :)
[11:45] <sebas> (re: randr)
[11:46] <Lure> Tonio_: same thing
[11:46] <Tonio_> sebas: well the problem is that lots of files seem to be impacted....
[11:46] <sebas> Is it known that I've not had a single krandrtray binary that didn't crash since Breezy-ish?
[11:46] <Tonio_> Lure: okay I'm patching and emailing for this too... :'(
[11:46] <sebas> (Now we're talking randr anyway)
[11:46] <Tonio_> sebas: I tested it, no issue for me
[11:46] <Lure> Tonio_: it is variable name in struct in this case, but here you cannot comment it out! :-(
[11:46] <Tonio_> sebas: resolution change causes a crash ?
[11:47] <Lure> Tonio_: here you need to rename it both in .h and .c to make it work...
[11:47] <Tonio_> Lure: argh.......
[11:47] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yeah send it w/ changes
[11:47] <jjesse> sorry in-laws showed up so i'm afk a lot :(
[11:47] <sebas> Tonio_: often, just clicking it makes it crash
[11:47] <Tonio_> Lure: I must ay I don't really understand the difference, but I'll do
[11:47] <Lure> Tonio_: it may work just patching .h before packaging for  -dev package, but it is not nice
[11:48] <sebas> Usually, it doesn't like nvidia's twinview, it seems to work a bit better on my (single screen) notebook.
[11:48] <Tonio_> Lure: what is the difference with previous case ?
[11:48] <sebas> I'm runnig Feisty now on the dualhead box
[11:48] <Tonio_> sebas: ah oki :)
[11:48] <sebas> (I love the panel app button animation, btw)
[11:48] <Lure> Tonio_: variable in struct has to have the name, while function arguments just need the type (name is optional, but often used)
[11:49] <Tonio_> Lure: okay and what if no .c file ? :)
[11:49] <Lure> Tonio_: therefore commenting out name in struct will cause compile error
[11:49] <Tonio_> Lure: apt-get source x11proto-randr
[11:50] <Lure> Tonio_: if you change only name in .h, then compiling .c with that .h will complain about wrong variable delete
[11:50] <Tonio_> there is no other "delete" occurance in the code
[11:50] <Tonio_> Lure: means that every application uses this .h file will need patching ?
[11:50] <Tonio_> nightmare !
[11:50] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, then .c does not reference that variable and we shoudl be ok to rename it to "doDelete" or something
[11:51] <Lure> Tonio_: every app using that .h and that variable
[11:51] <Tonio_> Lure: well not if apps are using this right ?
[11:51] <Lure> exactly
[11:51] <Tonio_> Lure: sounds too dangerous.... I've just emailed upstream about that file too, and that's probably better to wait an upstream fix
[11:52] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, you should probably also notify ubuntu-devel... (as X 7.2 is pushed in)
[11:52] <Tonio_> yep
[11:55] <Tonio_> Lure: in another way I have no doubt that issue will be soon very well known, has it potentially has udge impact....
[11:55] <Lure> Tonio_true
[11:55] <Tonio_> no need to ping the earth, the fix is maybe already written :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> I've just workarround to compile kdebase, email debian and upstream
[11:56] <Tonio_> Keith Packard also maintains x11proto-randr, so he'll fix everywhere I guess
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: already fixed ;)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/lib/libXrandr.git;a=commit;h=c279b64ccca18b14974e413b0b1d55ac81abceda
[12:00] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[12:01] <_StefanS_> hey there