[01:11] <poolie> SteveA: hi, are you still awake?
[01:13] <SteveA> poolie: no, I'm totally asleep
[01:13] <poolie> ding ding
[01:13] <SteveA> darn, rumbled
[05:01] <thumper> stub: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileuaB63s.html can we speed this query up at all?  ddaa had it timed at 95 odd seconds
[05:04] <stub> thumper: I'm looking at a way of removing the bloat from that table at the moment
[05:05] <stub> (bah - isn't going to work)
[05:10] <stub> thumper: You sure you want COUNT(Branch.id) and not COUNT(DISTINCT Branch.id) ?
[05:10] <thumper> stub: why would it not be distinct?
[05:10] <stub> Because you didn't tell it to be distinct?
[05:10] <thumper> stub: it will be distinct as the product to branch gives one per branch, and the branch to revision gives one per branch
[05:11] <stub> So it should always be 1?
[05:12] <thumper> stub, no
[05:12] <thumper> stub: but many of them are
[05:12] <stub> At the moment, what you are asking for is identical to COUNT(*) or COUNT(Revision.id)
[05:13] <thumper> stub: yeah, does it matter?
[05:13] <thumper> count(*) would do
[05:14] <stub> count(*) actually is faster, and raises fewer dba eyebrows in case that isn't what you really meant :)
[05:15] <thumper> so, with count(*) is it much faster?
[05:15] <stub> Takes 46ms on staging's db, so it is slow on production due to database bloat
[05:15] <thumper> ah
[05:15] <stub> (11 seconds)
[05:15] <thumper> gee
[05:16] <thumper> stub: do we know what is causing the bloat?
[05:16] <stub> I will be able to vacuum that table at the same time rosetta schema updates are being done
[05:16] <thumper> and why the auto-vacuum isn't?
[05:16] <stub> thumper: Yes, and a work around in place until we can fix the bug in launchpad leaving transactions open
[05:16] <stub> So we shouldn't see more bloat
[05:17] <thumper> stub: ok, good
[05:17] <stub> Oops.... gotta go. Back in 2 hours.
[05:18] <ajmitch> hello thumper 
[05:21] <thumper> ajmitch: hello
[05:23] <thumper> ajmitch: still in the office?
[05:23] <ajmitch> yep
[05:23] <ajmitch> leaving in a few minutes, I think
[05:23] <vil> hi, I have a question about bzr in LP.
[05:23] <thumper> vil: shoot
[05:24] <vil> I am registering a new product and would like to add cvs repo for it.
[05:24] <vil> however, it consists of several cvs modules
[05:24] <vil> how can i do that?
[05:24] <vil> LP seems to take just a single module
[05:25] <vil> https://launchpad.net/epic/trunk/+source
[05:25] <thumper> vil: ddaa would be the person to answer that question most intelligbly
[05:25] <thumper> yes you are right though, it will only import one module
[05:25] <thumper> I think with the current system what you'd do is register a project
[05:25] <thumper> and have one product per module
[05:26] <thumper> we are looking at refactoring the branch import stuff, 
[05:26] <thumper> but it won't be anytime in the next month or so
[05:27] <thumper> now ddaa is on Paris time (UTC+1), so he won't be around for several hours
[05:27] <vil> thumper, can i put a "me too" to some wishlist?
[05:28] <thumper> vil: not really as we don't have a voting system to prioritise us :)
[05:28] <thumper> but I'll note it
[05:28] <vil> thumper, thx
[05:29] <vil> thumper, anyway, i was wondering, what can LP give me, when it has registered a cvs or svn repo :)
[05:30] <vil> can it be useful for new package versions so that you don't need to download new upstream yourself?
[05:43] <thumper> vil: real soon now
[05:43] <thumper> vil: there is also going to be email notifications for new revisions
[05:44] <thumper> vil: have you considered a move to bzr?
[05:44] <vil> thumper, yes, actually i am very interrested in maintaining packages under bzr
[05:45] <vil> email notifications look promising
[05:45] <thumper> vil: bzr is cool
[05:46] <thumper> vil: branches registered in launchpad can be linked to bugs they are fixing, or specs they are implementing
[05:46] <thumper> vil: there are also many cool things coming to do with working with branches
[05:49] <vil> thumper, looking forward to it. i am still learning to use it, it is a bit different than svn
[07:30] <lotusleaf> hi, I made a mistake and chose to delete my wiki account (I still have launchpad active account) because I didn't think I would be using it in the future and now I can't login when I want to, it says bad password
[07:30] <lotusleaf> I can't mail myself the info because it's the launchpad info and it says im logged into launchpad so.. ;)
[07:30] <lotusleaf> help, please? thanks for reading
[07:31] <lotusleaf> I *could* mail myself the info but that would do no good as it would still say bad password :P
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44205 in launchpad-bazaar "supermirror branch puller logging" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44205
[09:03] <carlos> morning!
[09:04] <lotusleaf> hi
[09:19] <mdke> lotusleaf: ah, bad idea. you'll need one of elmo, Ng, Znarl or Spads to help you with that, wait and see if they are around
[09:23] <Spads> lotusleaf: what is your wiki username?
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86966 in launchpad ""OpenPGP keys" link in LaunchPad account not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86966
[09:29] <sabdfl> morning morning lunchpadders
[09:33] <lotusleaf> Spads: thanks, my wiki username is the same as here, lotusleaf :)
[09:35] <lotusleaf> mdke: thanks :)
[09:35] <mdke> np
[09:35] <mdke> morning sabdfl 
[09:35] <lotusleaf> mdke: I appreciate yours and Spads help :)
[09:36] <mdke> :)
[09:36] <mdke> we should probably remove the option of disabling your own account from the wiki if we have the opportunity
[09:37] <lotusleaf> mdke: that would be a wonderful thing so others don't encounter this same issue :)
[09:39] <Spads> lotusleaf: try now
[09:39] <lotusleaf> Spads: thanks, one sec :)
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #86959 in launchpad-bazaar "Long commit messages look bad on branch detail page" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86959
[09:41] <lotusleaf> Spads: it works! \o/ problem solved! Thank you so much Spads & mdke for your kind time & attention ;)
[09:41] <Spads> no problem
[11:04] <Rohinton> so does launchpad sit on top of zope3?
[11:09] <LarstiQ> Rohinton: nafaik, it uses parts of zope3
[11:10] <LarstiQ> lifeless: shouldn't the wiki page of ~vcs-imports be changed?
[11:11] <lifeless> LarstiQ: possibly :/
[11:34] <Rohinton> so how far has the open sourcing of launchpad come?
[11:36] <Rohinton> It's really a nice tool and I would like to use it at work... :)
[11:38] <LarstiQ> Rohinton: fsvo, you _can_ use it at work
[11:39] <Rohinton> Hmmm, I mean set it up in-house....
[11:40] <LarstiQ> Rohinton: for that it's probably best to contact Canonical directly.
[12:11] <cprov> good morning !
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87012 in soyuz "Opening a new distrorelease before releasing the previous one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87012
[01:00] <stub> Meeting time
[01:00] <stub> Who is here?
[01:00] <cprov> me
[01:00] <flacoste> me
[01:00] <salgado> me
[01:00] <static> me
[01:00] <bac> me
[01:00] <mpt> me
[01:01] <jamesh> me
[01:01] <stub> carlos: ping
[01:01] <carlos> me
[01:01] <stub> ddaa: ping
[01:01] <ddaa> me
[01:02] <stub> jml: ping
[01:02] <stub> (Is jml at these meetings, or proxied?)
[01:02] <spiv> me
[01:02] <ddaa> stub: at his option
[01:02] <ddaa> but did not get his meeting bits for this week
[01:02] <stub> mrevell: ping
[01:03] <stub> salgado: ping
[01:03] <jamesh> ddaa: did you get thumper's?
[01:03] <salgado> stub, <salgado> me
[01:03] <jamesh> (he CC'd me)
[01:03] <ddaa> jamesh: no
[01:03] <BjornT> me
[01:04] <stub> barry sent apologies
[01:04] <jamesh> ddaa: the message has a subject of "Launchpad meeting envoy"
[01:04] <jamesh> ddaa: I can paste his lines if you want
[01:04] <stub> == Agenda ==   * Roll call  * Agenda  * Next meeting  * Activity reports  * Actions from last meeting  * Oops report (Matsubara)  * Bug report (mpt)  * Bug tags  * Production and staging (Stuart)  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports  * Sysadmin requests ----  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)  * Don't use rsync (SteveA)  * (other items) ----  * Three sentences
[01:04] <stub> yay gaim
[01:04] <stub> Next meeting, same time, same channel?
[01:04] <ddaa> stub: actually yay firefox
[01:05] <stub> Objections? People who can't make it?
[01:05] <ddaa> jamesh: found tim's msg, in my junk box...
[01:05] <stub> So same time next week
[01:06] <stub> Activity reports. Who is good, who ain't up to date?
[01:06] <stub> I'm up to date
[01:06] <bac> good
[01:06] <jamesh> I'm not (but at a sprint)
[01:06] <ddaa> same for jono's email
[01:06] <static> up to date
[01:06] <mpt> not up to date
[01:06] <BjornT> up to date
[01:06] <salgado> up to date
[01:06] <carlos> up to date
[01:06] <flacoste> up to date
[01:06] <spiv> up to date
[01:06] <cprov> I'm not (on sprint)
[01:06] <stub> SteveA still seems to be head slacker, although I think his would just read 'interviews, phone'
[01:06] <ddaa> update
[01:07] <ddaa> up to date
[01:07] <stub> danilos is on leave I take it
[01:07] <jamesh> ddaa: I'll let you paste their 3 sentances then
[01:07] <jamesh> stub: he is.
[01:07] <stub> Thanks to people who are back on track.
[01:08] <stub> Activity reports may seem annoying, but they do help others and even yourself when you try and work out what you have been doing the last week
[01:08] <ddaa> thumper: up to date
[01:08] <carlos> stub: yeah, danilo is on leave
[01:08] <ddaa> jml: unspecified
[01:08] <stub> No actions from last week. Yay.
[01:09] <flacoste> stub: i'm handling the OOPS report as matsubara is on leave
[01:09] <stub> So next is the OOPS report. Anyone doing that since matsubara isn't here?
[01:09] <flacoste> so this week top OOPS was bug #86171 Exception in Librarian caused outage (Confirmed, Critical, spiv) (~30 OOPSes)
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Bug 86171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/86171 is private
[01:10] <flacoste> spiv: what's the status on this?
[01:10] <stub> That is currently worked around (I hope)
[01:10] <spiv> stub put a workaround in place.
[01:10] <stub> Waiting for a real cherry pickable fix at some point
[01:10] <spiv> There's a patch in the comments of that bug that I think fixes the most serious problem, but that needs testing.
[01:10] <flacoste> ok, the workaround seems to work since I've not seen the oops anymore
[01:11] <flacoste> after that we have bug #82938 The ~vcs-imports/+registeredbranches page exceeded its hardlimit and is now broken.(in progress, High, thumper) (~15 OOPSes)
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82938 in launchpad-bazaar "The ~vcs-imports/+registeredbranches page exceeded its hardlimit and is now broken." [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82938 - Assigned to Tim Penhey (thumper)
[01:11] <stub> Work around is simply to not update the last access time of served files, which is more informative than useful to the system.
[01:11] <flacoste> ddaa: can you comment on thumper behalf?
[01:12] <ddaa> those pages are now batched on beta
[01:12] <ddaa> so that should fix the problem, I think
[01:12] <jamesh> (once beta rolls out)
[01:12] <flacoste> ok, then this bug should be updated to fix commited then
[01:12] <stub> Do we want to back port, or disable that page via apache or similar?
[01:13] <ddaa> stub: if you call that critical, there's no reason not to backport
[01:13] <flacoste> the current priority is Hight though
[01:13] <stub> I'm asking if it is critical really. I don't know how useful the page is to our users.
[01:13] <flacoste> it OOPS about 5 times a day and from search bots really
[01:14] <ddaa> it's not useful to users
[01:14] <spiv> I've used it once or twice.
[01:14] <flacoste> so i don't think it's worth the sweath, main effect is disable finding branches via Google
[01:14] <stub> Ok. So I vote for leaving it until the beta rollout.
[01:14] <ddaa> agreed
[01:14] <spiv> It's a quick way to see if there's an import for a certain product.
[01:14] <flacoste> next in line bug #86352 SchoolTool imported bugs have invalid subscribers (Undecided, Confirmed, unassigned) (~7 OOPses)
[01:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86352 in malone "SchoolTool imported bugs have invalid subscribers" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86352
[01:14] <ddaa> flacoste: the branches are still crawlable through other paths
[01:14] <spiv> Without necessarily knowing the exact name it's registered as.
[01:14] <stub> And available on beta for those who care
[01:15] <flacoste> main effect of this OOPS is that it affects SchoolTool and Zope3 bugs
[01:15] <flacoste> which are two projects migrating to Launchpad
[01:15] <stub> Is that jamesh? 
[01:15] <flacoste> so we should be nice to them I think
[01:15] <carlos> stub: yes
[01:15] <ddaa> spiv: that should be superceded by https://code.beta.launchpad.net/+code/+products-with-code when this page becomes more useful
[01:15] <flacoste> there is a discussion going between jamesh and BjornT as to what is the proper fix
[01:16] <jamesh> I'll post to the mailing list about this problem.  The solution is either to change how the bug importer works and make some changes to the schooltool import, or to change the malone code that collects subscribers
[01:16] <stub> So the crux is we have inactive users as assignees to bugs?
[01:16] <flacoste> jamesh: can we come out with a quick data fix? 
[01:17] <flacoste> stub: and subscribers
[01:17] <flacoste> (as reporter, actually)
[01:17] <ddaa> flacoste: stub: duh, ignore me, it's NOT batched yet
[01:17] <stub> I can do a bulk reassignment, unsubscribe if we want.
[01:17] <jamesh> flacoste: the few OOPS reports I saw came from an extra account for Tom Hoffman
[01:17] <ddaa> but will be, soon :)
[01:17] <jamesh> flacoste: we could probably do an admin merge of that account to paper over some of the problems
[01:17] <flacoste> jamesh: indeed
[01:18] <flacoste> who has admin merge privilege to fix this?
[01:18] <stub> Me, SteveA, kiko, lifeless, elmo, mdz...
[01:18] <BjornT> can we get a list of all invalid subscribers, assignees and reporters?
[01:18] <stub> I can get you that report
[01:19] <flacoste> MEETING ACTION: stub to get list of invalid subscribers, assignee and reports
[01:19] <flacoste> MEETING ACTION: stub to merge tom hoffman extra account
[01:19] <stub> np
[01:19] <stub> I need the details if someone has already done the research
[01:20] <flacoste> stub: i'll provide you them
[01:20] <jamesh> We need to make a decision about this before doing the z3-dev import
[01:20] <stub> (Our userbase is sizeable enough to worry about different people with similar or identical names)
[01:20] <flacoste> MEETING ACTION: jamesh and BjornT to agree on a proper fix to this problem
[01:20] <flacoste> stub: I know the duplicate account, i just don't have it on hand
[01:20] <flacoste> so kiko being on vacation, I won't mention bug #30602, our top timeout.
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[01:21] <flacoste> other interesting timeout is bug #86361 Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout (Undecided, Confirmed, unassigned) (~40 timeouts last week, ~500 soft timeouts)
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86361
[01:22] <flacoste> stub, BjornT this one seems related to the time it takes for each count(*) done on each words from the query
[01:23] <flacoste> are we missing an index or something?
[01:23] <stub> count is evil, but I'll have a look
[01:23] <flacoste> MEETING ACTION: stub to analyse the guided file bug query slowness
[01:23] <BjornT> there seems to be quite a lot of different queries taking a long time.
[01:24] <flacoste> stub: you'll find example OOPSes referenced in the bug reports
[01:24] <flacoste> bug report
[01:24] <flacoste> if nobody else has any comments on the OOPS, i'm done
[01:24] <stub> yup.
[01:25] <stub> Bug report from mpt next
[01:25] <mpt> There are 2111 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes, of which 13 are marked as Critical. The oldest six are:
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko, who's not here
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, carlos
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #78907 (distrorelease.txt test has a time bomb), Critical, Confirmed, carlos
[01:25] <mpt> carlos, any progress on either of these this week?
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78907 in rosetta "distrorelease.txt test has a time bomb" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78907 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #48813 (Efficiently mirroring sftp hosted branches with minimal latency), Critical, Fix Committed, jml
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #49989 (branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches), Critical, Fix Committed, jml
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48813 in launchpad-bazaar "Efficiently mirroring sftp hosted branches with minimal latency" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48813 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)
[01:25] <mpt>  jml, were you unable to get a cherrypick?
[01:25] <flacoste> mpt: i think Bug #78907 is actually fix commited
[01:25] <carlos> mpt: 78907 is fixed, I forgot to update its status
[01:26] <ddaa> I got it cherrypicked yesterday
[01:26] <ddaa> after much, much wrestling
[01:26] <mpt> ok, carlos, ddaa, please update the respective statuses accordingly
[01:26] <carlos> mpt: 46982 is still blocked, but I agreed with kiko in a plan to unblock it (didn't have time to do it while working on Feisty opening for translations and new DB schema deployment)
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #78033 (Oops pages in 1.0 design are completely unformatted), Critical, In Progress, mpt
[01:26] <mpt>  I'm pretty sure I've fixed this, but I need an oopsing URL to test it with. :-) I'll sort this out after the meeting.
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78033 in launchpad "Oops pages in 1.0 design are completely unformatted" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78033 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[01:27] <mpt> ok, thanks carlos
[01:27] <mpt> That's all stub, and just in time, as my laptop battery is going to die in a few seconds
[01:30] <stub> Done with bugs?
[01:30] <stub> Oops... sorry. Scroll was stuck.
[01:31] <stub> Bug tags?
[01:31] <stub> I think we are fine on that front, so production status with me
[01:31] <stub> dge was commandeered this evening so we can test how things look after Rosetta data migration and table refactoring. I don't think anyone will care at the moment.
[01:31] <stub> staging is currently unavailable, as it was disabled due to running the wrong code branch. I'm waiting on the admins to reenable it.
[01:31] <stub> beta seems happy. Code updates should be happening every three hours.
[01:31] <stub> The 'redirect members in the beta team to beta' code is live on the production boxes.
[01:31] <stub> Had some fun with regressions with some production cherry picks, but I believe ddaa has it under control now.
[01:31] <stub> Some queries on the branch table or related to the branch table have been getting major slowdowns as the table is majorly bloated. I have worked around the cause, so it shouldn't get any worse, but the existing bloat will remain until rosetta table refactoring is done, as I can do the branch table packing at the same time.
[01:31] <stub> (that first line should read 'edge')
[01:32] <stub> Patch for rosetta table refactoring is being tested, and will be rolled out asap. Perhaps Monday after PyCon.
[01:32] <carlos> That will include Feisty translations opening
[01:32] <ddaa> yeah, it looks like the supermirror regressions are now fixed, I'll submit various cherrypick requests in the near future for things that are already in production
[01:32] <stub> It has been a busy week, so I've probably forgotten plenty of things.
[01:33] <stub> ddaa: Ta. If I do any other updates before then, I'll leave the authserver and supermirror untouched.
[01:34] <ddaa> yeah, but it's starting to get complicated, the sftp server and the supermirror cronscript now have each a diverged production branch...
[01:34] <stub> ok. Feel free to keep notes on the LaunchpadProductionStatus wiki page.
[01:35] <ddaa> Good idea.
[01:35] <stub> Launchpad 1.0 status reports.
[01:35] <BjornT> Malone 1.0:
[01:35] <BjornT> malone-essential-docs: No progress since last week. bjornt still to send an e-mail to matthew r describing what information the different sections should contain in more detail.
[01:36] <mpt> UI 1.0: Slow progress while the application front pages get redesigned.
[01:36] <stub> That all this week?
[01:36] <flacoste> AnswerTracker 1.0: missing renaming of some documentation, URLs and database tables.
[01:37] <carlos> Rosetta 1.0: No changes this week (Brazil sprint + deployment of DB schema changes and Feisty opening)
[01:37] <ddaa> Bazaar 1.0: missing a documentation page for "import your project", and a link for "register your branch"
[01:37] <cprov> = Soyuz 1.0 =
[01:37] <cprov> * PPA sprint: code review, concept proof & dogfood migration
[01:37] <cprov> * NascentUpload: nascentupload-cataclysm WIP
[01:38] <stub> * Escalation of creation of testbot for developers (bac) 
[01:38] <ddaa> testbot?
[01:39] <stub> I think lifeless took offense to one of my emails :)
[01:39] <bac> stub: Continuation of the email discussion I started yesterday.
[01:39] <stub> Worth taking meeting time for it?
[01:39] <jamesh> ddaa: like PQM but doesn't commit after the tests pass :)
[01:39] <bac> I have no dapper machine, tests don't run cleanly on edgy, so it would be nice to have a server that could run the tests on my branch, other than PQM
[01:39] <bac> stub: dunno
[01:40] <ddaa> jamesh: yay! but I had a "discussion" with sabdfl recently when he said that was a Bad Idea...
[01:40] <ddaa> and I said he was wrong...
[01:40] <stub> I think that is best to go via email. I think SteveA or kiko would need to escalate that.
[01:40] <stub> * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[01:40] <flacoste> bac: how come the test suite doesn't work on Edgy?
[01:40] <bac> stub: ok.  i thought it was worth bringing up but not if this is the wrong venue.
[01:41] <mrevell> stub: Apologies, I'll have to send the user affecting issue to the list
[01:41] <stub>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[01:41] <mrevell> stub: As posted to the mailing list. If anyone has any comments, please let me know.
[01:41] <stub> bac: No worries. I just don't think the required people are here and we are running short of time.
[01:41] <stub>  * Don't use rsync (SteveA)
[01:41] <stub> I think that is the same as last week at the moment.
[01:42] <stub> So three sentences
[01:42] <stub> DONE: Production and DBA stuff
[01:42] <stub> TODO: OpenId, roll out rosetta updates
[01:42] <stub> BLOCKED: No
[01:42] <mrevell> DONE: Spoke at Skycon Ireland, Pycon materials, documentation, dealing with LP users, buzz report.
[01:42] <mrevell> TODO: More docs, marketing materials list, general presentations on LP and Bzr, list pain points that LP and Bzr address.
[01:42] <mrevell> BLOCKED: None.
[01:42] <bac> DONE: mrevell/jono calls about UbuntuLive, submitting TOS bug for review, spec/code reading
[01:42] <bac> TODO: bugwatcher research, read more specs, understand test infrastructure, go to PG8.2
[01:42] <bac> BLOCKED: Bug 84921 in PendingReview
[01:42] <Ubugtu> Bug 84921 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/84921 is private
[01:42] <salgado> DONE: Some new TALES formatters, other small fixes and three days of holidays.
[01:42] <salgado> TODO: Land the new formatters together with the image widget for the gotchis which also stores the heading icon, email catch up, code review and other random bits
[01:42] <salgado> BLOCKED: No
[01:42] <BjornT> DONE: code reviews. fixed 1.0 ui bugs.
[01:42] <BjornT> TODO: code reviews. fix more 1.0 ui bugs.
[01:42] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[01:42] <static> DONE: holiday, pycon preparations, recruiting
[01:42] <static> TODO: PyCon, tell people about Launchpad and Bazaar, recruiting
[01:42] <static> Blocked: no
[01:42] <flacoste> DONE: reviews, bug fixes, fix search on 1.0 Answers front page, rename code, oops gardening
[01:42] <flacoste> TODO: Rename support tracker URLs, bug fixes, reviews, SupportFAQSpec
[01:42] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[01:42] <cprov> flacoste: one issue is related to the dapper apt-ftparchive version, I remember of others.
[01:42] <cprov> DONE: soyuz bug fixing, nascentupload-cataclysm & PPA sprint
[01:42] <cprov> TODO: PPA sprint, distro-team task prioritization, remove warty/hoary archive
[01:42] <cprov> BLOCKED: no
[01:42] <carlos> DONE: Rosetta sprint, RosettaDBSchema deployment testing, Feisty translations opening
[01:42] <spiv> DONE: bzr smart server, reviews, help with supermirrorsftp and librarian production issues.
[01:42] <spiv> TODO: bzr smart server, reviews
[01:42] <spiv> BLOCKED: no
[01:42] <mpt> DONE: application front page twiddling
[01:42] <mpt> TODO: lots more twiddling, maybe get some 1.0-scheduled work done
[01:42] <mpt> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <carlos> TODO: RosettaDBSchema deployment, Feisty opening for translations, Firefox support
[01:43] <carlos> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <jamesh> DONE: sprint (rosetta perf, soyuz code reviews)
[01:43] <jamesh> TODO: sprint, go back to Australia, code reviews, storm integration
[01:43] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <ddaa> DONE: supermirror latency
[01:43] <ddaa> TODO: supermirror latency
[01:43] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
 DONE: Upgraded to Feisty & resolved issues. Read specs, db stuff. Started thinking and working on AutomaticBugBranchLinks. Some work on complete-branch-revision. Some UI fixes in pipeline.
 TODO: Do simplest possible first step for AutomaticBugBranchLinks.
 BLOCKED: None.
 DONE: helped with complete branch revisions, batching of normal branch pages  (including +registeredbranches which is oopsing for vcs-imports), landed products with code (which also needs more work / different approach).
 TODO: respond to review for email notification, private branches, more tests for batched pages, work on dbschema refactoring
 BLOCKED: no
[01:44] <stub> Any reviewer want to push bac's branch to the top of the queue as it is a blocker?
[01:45] <bac> stub: It is a legal wording change, so I think SteveA needs a go at it.
[01:45] <flacoste> bac: how is that blocking you?
[01:45] <static> bac: I can try to sit down with Steve at PyCon and look at the wording together
[01:45] <bac> flacoste: i think i may have mischaracterized it.
[01:46] <flacoste> bac: it's all-right, i also something put stalled review in my BLOCKED sentence to get some traction around it ;-)
[01:46] <stub> I think of blocked as being you might miss some deadline unless someone else gets a move on.
[01:46] <bac> stub: will remember for future.
[01:46] <stub> I think that is MEETING OVER anyway
[01:47] <flacoste> at least, you have something to do that you can't do unless this is unblocked
[01:47] <flacoste> thanks stub!
[01:47] <stub> yer
[01:47] <mrevell> Apologies for missing the beginning everyone. I was in a RL meeting.
[01:47] <carlos> ok
[01:47] <carlos> thanks guys
[01:48] <ddaa> stub: bac: in my understanding BLOCKED is just for anything that's preventing you from making progress on one of your pipelines...
[02:47] <bac> stub: are the PG8.2 packages you mentioned available yet?  
[02:51] <BugMaN> hi! i'm trying launchpad beta, in particular bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ but the form to make a product search don't seem to work, when i click to "search bug reports" the system return to the malone homepage
[03:02] <BjornT> hi BugMaN. that's a known problem (bug 84800), and it should be fixed within day or two.
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84800 in malone "no way to jump to a bug from frontpage of beta UI" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84800 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[03:07] <BugMaN> BjornT: ok thanks :)
[03:08] <BjornT> np :)
[03:09] <geser> is the soyuz product the right place to file bugs for problems with the buildds?
[03:14] <salgado> geser, yep, it is
[04:03] <newz2000> how do I set someone up so that they can triage bugs?
[04:03] <newz2000> (on ubuntu-website product)
[04:05] <ddaa> newz2000: I though anybody was allowed to fool around with bugs
[04:06] <newz2000> I don't know... Chris Kenyon just said to set him and CJA up so that they could do it. I've never had to do that before.
[04:06] <newz2000> Maybe that's why
[04:06] <ddaa> I would like to know what is it they cannot do...
[04:07] <jamesh> fiddling with importance is restricted
[04:07] <jamesh> that and milestone
[04:07] <newz2000> oh, that's what he wants to do
[04:07] <newz2000> prioritize
[04:07] <ddaa> jamesh: it's restricted to who?
[04:09] <jamesh> ddaa: looks like they must be the product bug contact or have edit permissions on the product
[04:10] <newz2000> So the bug contact is a team, if they become members of the team it'll be ok?
[04:10] <jamesh> yeah
[04:10] <jamesh> maybe the driver comes into it somewhere too
[04:10] <jamesh> not sure
[04:13] <ddaa> I think driver only has to do with specs...
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87058 in malone "Instruction  'Yes, define new tag' is misleading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87058
[04:47] <cprov-lunch> /nick cprov
[04:48] <cprov> I'm glad I didn't typed my pass public again ...
[04:49] <carlos> cprov: ;-)
[05:17] <newz2000> salgado: what time has the mirror prober been finishing its work lately?
[05:20] <salgado> newz2000, usually before 1000 UTC, but I think I didn't get today's notification, so it may not have finished yet
[05:21] <newz2000> salgado: do we run that more frequently than daily closer to release? I know we did for Edgy, but don't know if that was becaues of our mirror problems, or if that was standard operating procedure
[05:22] <salgado> newz2000, that was the first time we did it, but I think it can be considered standard procedure
[05:22] <newz2000> ok. thanks
[05:23] <salgado> do we have dates for the beta already?
[05:29] <medders> does anyone know how id remove a branch from launchpad?
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87076 in malone "Merging two Persons may cause the resulting Person to be subscribed twice to bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87076
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87077 in soyuz "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077
[06:03] <ddaa> medders: I do
[06:03] <ddaa> medders: you don't
[06:04] <ddaa> but depending on why you want to remove it, there are ways to make you happy
[06:04] <ddaa> medders: why do you want to remove a branch?
[06:04] <medders> ddaa: it's not really being used
[06:05] <ddaa> medders: then why not set the branch status "Abandoned"?
[06:05] <ddaa> it will not appear in branch listings by default
[06:05] <medders> ddaa: would that remove it from a specification too?
[06:05] <ddaa> hu
[06:06] <ddaa> I do not think so, but it's a different problem...
[06:06] <ddaa> medders: you should be able to remove a branch-spec link...
[06:06] <ddaa> medders: if you cannot, it's a bug
[06:06] <medders> ddaa: excellent, cheers, I'll do that now :)
[06:13] <jamesh> medders: there is a delete button on the branch-spec link page
[06:14] <medders> jamesh: I've just found that one but unfortunatly it isn't working, I get a 'Page Not Found' error. I'm using the beta so it might just be a bug with that.
[06:15] <jamesh> that's weird
[06:15] <jamesh> what URL are you getting the "page not found" error on?
[06:15] <medders> yeah, I'm filing a bug about that now
[06:15] <medders> jamesh: https://code.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/enhanced-preferred-apps/+branch/matt-medland/+junk/enhanced-default-apps/+status
[06:18] <jamesh> medders: the link has been deleted.  it should have redirected you to the specification when you clicked the Delete button
[06:19] <medders> jamesh: ot sent me straight to the error page
[06:19] <medders> jamesh: do you want the OOPS code?
[06:20] <jamesh> okay
[06:20] <medders> jamesh: OOPS-418BC429
[06:22] <jamesh> medders: okay.  That's just a 404 error.  Did you see the status form before hand?
[06:23] <jamesh> (a form that lets you edit the spec-branch link summary or delete the spec-branch link)
[06:23] <medders> jamesh: I did, but now that I can't (presumably because the link has been deleted)
[06:24] <jamesh> medders: okay.  Did you get redirected to the spec page after deleting the link?
[06:24] <medders> jamesh: nope :(
[06:24] <jamesh> weird
[06:25] <medders> yeah, it might of been a one off. Should I leave the bug report for now?
[06:25] <jamesh> file the bug
[06:26] <jamesh> if we can't reproduce it it might get closed
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87094 in launchpad "links in help panel text are hard to use" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87094
[06:26] <jamesh> but it doesn't hurt much
[06:27] <medders> jamesh: will do :)
[06:28] <medders> jamesh: who did the design work for the beta? I think it's really good. :)
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87098 in soyuz "Merging people fails when they have PPA with the same name" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87098
[06:32] <jamesh> medders: we contracted a design company, but sabdfl and mpt have had a fair bit of input too
[06:34] <medders> jamesh: I thought it looked fairly professional, i think it's good that they're slapping the gloss on. It probably makes it more appealing for businesses to use it.
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87100 in launchpad "Page Not Found Error when deleting a code link from a spec" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87100
[07:05] <arnason> When will Launchpad be synched. with the source of Ubuntu? I would like to see me translations in context...
[07:13] <sabdfl> ddaa: abandoned branches should not show on specs or branches, good catch - please file a bug!
[07:13] <sabdfl> medders: ^
[07:14] <ddaa> sabdfl: ITYM "should not show on specs or bugs"
[07:14] <sabdfl> ddaa: driver *should* have to do with both specs and bugs, determining if they will be addressed in a particular release
[07:15] <ddaa> I am bit of two minds about it... but I'll file the bug.
[07:16] <ddaa> https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bugs
[07:17] <ddaa> sabdfl: ^ do not you think that the "critical" bug icon is hard to tell apart from the "high" bug icon?
[07:17] <ddaa> sabdfl: maybe adding some glow to critical bugs would help... "it's so red hot important it's glowing"...
[07:26] <sabdfl> jamesh, BjornT, stub: malone should learn to deal with inactive users who are subscribers to bugs.
[07:27] <sabdfl>  - we have a "subscribe someone" feature, which should allow you to subscribe someone who is not active, AND should let you create a profile for an unknown user and mail them in the process.... they will be inactive till they respond
[07:27] <sabdfl>  - people will want to be able to "become inactive", and if they are subscribers to bugs we don't want malone to OOPS
[07:27] <ddaa> sabdfl: https://beta.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/87121
[07:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87121 in launchpad-bazaar "Abandoned branches should now appear on specs and bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[07:28] <ddaa> duh, typo
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87118 in launchpad ""critical" bug icon looks too much like "high" in beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87118
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87121 in launchpad-bazaar "Abandoned branches should NOT appear on specs and bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87121
[07:38] <medders> sabdfl: cheers :)
[07:48] <sabdfl> ddaa: yes, sorry, abandoned branches should not show on specs or bugs
[07:49] <sabdfl> ddaa: i'm not convinced of the merits of the red-scale on the bug images yet, at all
[07:49] <sabdfl> i think the test of the importance should get colorised, but that's different
[07:49] <sabdfl> what do you think about coloured bug pictures?
[07:49] <ddaa> I found it convenient
[07:49] <ddaa> the bug icons draw the eye, that's the first thing one sees
[07:50] <sabdfl> should it be?
[07:50] <ddaa> well, I guess you could remove them entirely
[07:50] <ddaa> and maybe put the importance column first
[07:50] <ddaa> the brain is good at reading words too
[07:57] <sabdfl> that's what i've done with specs, works well there
[07:57] <sabdfl> the coloured images may be useful in places like the "latest bugs" portlets
[07:57] <sabdfl> we'll see
[07:58] <ddaa> generally as badges...
[07:59] <ddaa> if we want to go down that road
[07:59] <ddaa> a coloured bug is compact way to convey that a branch/spec is associated to an important bug
[07:59] <sabdfl> right, though i don't want multiple badges on an item
[08:00] <sabdfl> i.e. the multiple-branch-badges-on-one-bug idea is bong
[08:00] <sabdfl> same with multiple bugs on one branch
[08:00] <ddaa> not my idea :)
[08:00] <ddaa> I guess in the case of bug, the badge should be in the colour of the highest importance bug
[08:03] <sabdfl> that would make sense, yes
[08:15] <swarog> hello
[08:16] <swarog> importing gpg key fails even so key is present at keyserver.ubuntu.com
[08:17] <swarog> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xDEBEB396DFF6F9FC
[08:21] <sabdfl> interesting
[08:21] <sabdfl> swarog: you need to speak with cprov
[08:21] <jamesh> LP is using a different internal keyserver now
[08:21] <jamesh> so there could be a propagation delay
[08:22] <swarog> sabdfl: about what?
[08:22] <cprov> swarog: I will check for you, one sec.
[08:22] <swarog> cprov: thanks
[08:24] <cprov> swarog: you have priv msg, your key seems to be damaged
[08:30] <cprov> swarog: your key was created in the future :)
[08:32] <cprov> swarog: as you said, it will get valid in 20 minutes or so (doesn't matter how weird it seems to be).
[08:34] <swarog> :) 
[08:34] <swarog> i guess so
[08:57] <cprov> swarog: your key is working now.
[08:57] <LaserJock> hmm, where did kiko and mrevell go?
[08:58] <LaserJock> they must be hiding from me :-)
[09:18] <atoponce> question: i ordered my business cards, and realize that i have a bad email (@ubuntu.com) address, which is my fault
[09:18] <atoponce> so, if i change my launchpad account to match the email, then i should be good
[09:19] <atoponce> i've tried managing the address, but it's not sending the confirmation to mp preferred email
[09:19] <atoponce> any ideas?
[09:20] <atoponce> it *was* aaron.toponce, now it's atoponce
[09:20] <mdke> what do you mean by "managing the address"?
[09:20] <atoponce> setting the email addresses for the account
[09:21] <mdke> is it currently the way you want it?
[09:21] <mdke> atoponce@ubuntu.com?
[09:21] <atoponce> yes
[09:22] <mdke> ok. you should wait a couple of days to see if it updates automatically, then seek admin help if it doesn't
[09:22] <atoponce> ok. will do. thx
[09:23] <thumper> morning all
[09:29] <swarog> cprov: it works, thanks
[09:30] <cprov> swarog: you're welcome, but I did nothing, thank the machine clock ;)
[09:32] <jamesh> or curse your local machine's clock :)
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87176 in soyuz "Broken implementation of  IDistroReleaseSourcePackageRelease" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87176
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87187 in malone "7.04 Feisty Herd4: Does not eject the Live CD when restarting the machine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87187
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87193 in malone "Add view where bugs (and specs?) for a product are grouped by person" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87193
[11:27] <sabdfl> SteveA: ping