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| darkmatter | boom boom :D | 12:18 |
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| darkmatter | troy_s, ping | 12:18 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, pushing some revisions to bzr... should be done soon | 12:29 |
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| darkmatter | ok.. its pushed | 12:32 |
| darkmatter | afternoon coz_ -imoto xD | 12:34 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, evening guy | 12:35 |
| darkmatter | coz_ I know you hate the slab and all... but have you seen the current cairo lovin' WIP version2? | 12:35 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, no I haven't however there was another verison of slab i saw that was outstanding I forget the name of it | 12:36 |
| coz_ | but suse slab sucks | 12:36 |
| coz_ | link | 12:36 |
| darkmatter | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397838022&size=o | 12:37 |
| coz_ | nope don't like that one either | 12:37 |
| darkmatter | gnome-main-menu version 2... but for the life of me cant figure out the changes in the theme format | 12:38 |
| darkmatter | coz_ if you mean the USP I'll kill ya'... that bloody thing is bloated and an affront to usability -_- | 12:39 |
| andreasn | does it work well with the buttons? I found myself adding a link to the home folder in the previous one | 12:39 |
| andreasn | on the panel | 12:39 |
| darkmatter | andreasn, yup.. works nice... | 12:39 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, slab is for children to learn linux as far as i am concerned.. it has no real place on an adult system | 12:39 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: On glory? | 12:40 |
| darkmatter | you can show all your gtkbookmarks too | 12:40 |
| andreasn | darkmatter: cool. I tried slab in order to test some 32x32 icons and got stuck | 12:40 |
| darkmatter | I just disabled it in gconf cause it makes the menu fscking huge | 12:40 |
| darkmatter | andreasn, but its not a clean hack (yet).. I had to manually install some of the files due to the svn branch being incomplete... but I'm working on a proper build | 12:41 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, yup | 12:41 |
| darkmatter | coz_... its not an ideal solution in terms of efficency.. but its cleaner navigation than *shudder* menus ;) | 12:42 |
| darkmatter | I loath and despise menus | 12:43 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Have you seen raster's video in e? | 12:43 |
| troy_s | its bloody amazing and answers a lot of questions regarding xcomposite etc. | 12:43 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, which vid?? he has several | 12:43 |
| troy_s | He is a bloody bright guy. | 12:43 |
| darkmatter | yup | 12:43 |
| troy_s | The one from the linux presentation recently. | 12:43 |
| darkmatter | ahhh yup | 12:43 |
| troy_s | It's too bad many of the e zealots are pimply little pricks who need to have their asses kicked. | 12:44 |
| andreasn | I'm curios about Gimmie, that seems to be a interesting approach | 12:44 |
| coz_ | andreasn, tried gimme on beryl didn't work for me | 12:44 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395190585&size=o <-- current svn greatness | 12:44 |
| troy_s | wtf is that?!? | 12:45 |
| troy_s | e? | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | andreasn, gimmie is cool.. but the applet version has some serious focus bugs | 12:45 |
| troy_s | geezus. | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, yup | 12:45 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Is that your desky? | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | ANIMATED ICONS! | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | yup | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | thats mye install | 12:45 |
| darkmatter | cvs rocks | 12:45 |
| troy_s | Yeah we shoudl bloody collaborate on an e design pattern | 12:45 |
| troy_s | we could probably really clobber a home run | 12:46 |
| troy_s | it has ++everything++ that i have griped about missing from gnome etc | 12:46 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, whats really amazing is how fast it is even with all the bling | 12:46 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: You running edgy, and if so, what is the best way to compile from CVS? the last time i tried it, it was a nightmare. | 12:46 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Yeah, that video has the reasoning in it... | 12:46 |
| troy_s | less overheads to calls to xcomposite | 12:46 |
| darkmatter | troy_s... scriptie | 12:47 |
| darkmatter | I'll grab a linky | 12:47 |
| troy_s | easy e? | 12:47 |
| darkmatter | easy_e17.sh | 12:47 |
| troy_s | I just finished the bloody strokework for u2... i could use some compiling time | 12:47 |
| troy_s | wallpaper is a drag. | 12:47 |
| troy_s | i need to throw myself into a kwwii coma next to fuddle with grads and such. i don't know if i have it in me. | 12:48 |
| darkmatter | http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/ | 12:48 |
| darkmatter | err | 12:48 |
| darkmatter | http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh | 12:48 |
| darkmatter | brb | 12:48 |
| coz_ | e17? | 12:49 |
| troy_s | thanks darkmatter | 12:49 |
| troy_s | coz_ enlightenment | 12:49 |
| coz_ | yuk tried that on sabayon did n't like that either who is designing this stuff? :) | 12:49 |
| troy_s | watch the video if you want to see its ability. | 12:49 |
| coz_ | troy_s, no never id dlike it | 12:49 |
| troy_s | erm... it is the most versatile, lean, etc window manager available | 12:50 |
| troy_s | you need to apply your artist cap and see past the defaults | 12:50 |
| coz_ | well maybe so | 12:50 |
| troy_s | it is a helluva designer dream | 12:50 |
| coz_ | but it looks terrible | 12:50 |
| coz_ | i know you can change it but | 12:50 |
| troy_s | so does ubuntu... that doesn't stop you. | 12:50 |
| troy_s | lol | 12:50 |
| coz_ | I love ubuntu | 12:50 |
| coz_ | :) | 12:50 |
| troy_s | ubuntu's look? | 12:51 |
| troy_s | are you bonkers? | 12:51 |
| coz_ | troy_s, well I like the look of gnome yes it is simple doesn't get in the way and it is logical | 12:51 |
| troy_s | yes... try white e17 | 12:51 |
| coz_ | no | 12:51 |
| coz_ | no way :) | 12:51 |
| troy_s | (although it is a bit white sterile... very minimalist) | 12:51 |
| troy_s | No clunky 2 pixel bevels etc. | 12:52 |
| troy_s | it is a very very very well designed window manager. | 12:52 |
| troy_s | Although again, the defaults leave a little to be desired. | 12:52 |
| coz_ | troy_s well maybe so I know darkmatter likes it as well, but i thought fluxbox was nicer | 12:53 |
| coz_ | more simple | 12:53 |
| coz_ | if that is the correct name of it "_ | 12:53 |
| troy_s | Not a chance | 12:53 |
| darkmatter | coz_... flux box isnt a shell/DE though.... window managers dont count :P | 12:53 |
| troy_s | fluxbox isn't even close to the simplicity of e | 12:54 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, ok | 12:54 |
| troy_s | watch that video to see the memory differences too. | 12:54 |
| coz_ | still I like gnome with beryl that is all I need to get work done | 12:54 |
| troy_s | It really is the future... | 12:54 |
| troy_s | beryl is a clunky nightmare hack. | 12:54 |
| darkmatter | coz_ e may be the god of bling... but it has incredibly clean code | 12:54 |
| troy_s | sorry to sound rude, but it is true | 12:54 |
| coz_ | troy_s, dude no way it works really well | 12:54 |
| troy_s | e does it _properly_ | 12:54 |
| darkmatter | flux is fugly for something so simple | 12:54 |
| darkmatter | as in the code is fugly | 12:55 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, well my experience with all of them was on sabayon which gives you the opportunity to use any one fo them I liked fluxbox the best | 12:55 |
| coz_ | but Ill tell you waht i will go back into ababyon andtry it for more than 5 minutes :) | 12:56 |
| coz_ | if i change my mind i will tell you ") | 12:56 |
| darkmatter | coz_... look at the code for beryl.... its really dirty duct tape workarounds that dont fix problems... they just hide them... kinda like ms does in windows | 12:56 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, yeah I know I have read that but beryl is nice none theless | 12:56 |
| darkmatter | they plaster a bunch of fugly patches in multiple layers and call it a fork... rofl | 12:57 |
| troy_s | Yep. | 12:57 |
| coz_ | compiz is to slow in new things | 12:57 |
| troy_s | It really is a kludge because the lower level architecture hasn't been thought through like Raster has. | 12:57 |
| troy_s | Check out the demo with six videos playing at differing levels of translucency to see how elegant his work is. | 12:57 |
| coz_ | well quinn lives just 20 minutes from me so I have to support beryl :) | 12:57 |
| darkmatter | bah... silliness | 12:58 |
| darkmatter | :P | 12:58 |
| troy_s | Quinn should rethink his approach. | 12:58 |
| coz_ | i do have to say that they contacted me to redo the beryl icons at the last minute, got 90 % of them done and then they didn't use them | 12:58 |
| darkmatter | if quinn livd 20 minutes from me I'd head on over and bitch slap him for beryl -_- | 12:58 |
| troy_s | It really is riding a wave that will drive things into the ditch. | 12:58 |
| troy_s | lol | 12:58 |
| troy_s | lol | 12:58 |
| troy_s | We need to seriously consider the long term effects of relying on 3rd party closed drivers | 12:59 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, well guy come on... I have used both beryl and compiz, and you were the one who convinced me to switch to beryl | 12:59 |
| troy_s | it is an ethical, semantic, and logical nightmare. | 12:59 |
| coz_ | troy_s, I prefer closed drivers myself | 12:59 |
| coz_ | as wellas closed apps | 01:00 |
| troy_s | eek | 01:00 |
| darkmatter | compiz is slow atm and not the best because the low level stuff is still being worked on... but its being done in a proper manner.. lots of design.. not freaky version bumps from patching | 01:00 |
| coz_ | i want quality from payed programmers | 01:00 |
| troy_s | coz_ that is an arcane and obsolete manner of thinking. | 01:00 |
| coz_ | troy_s, perhaps but realisitc | 01:00 |
| troy_s | Not even close. | 01:00 |
| troy_s | Many free software developers get paid. | 01:01 |
| troy_s | Many pieces of free software code are infinitely better in architectural design than any closed source equivalent. | 01:01 |
| coz_ | troy_s, the day an open source app matches photoshop i will agree with you | 01:01 |
| troy_s | Photoshop is a completely limited application. | 01:01 |
| darkmatter | coz_, nope... I do like proprietary good to an extent... but really... if you want closed do it the novell way | 01:01 |
| troy_s | With a very small target base. | 01:01 |
| troy_s | In the end, output is output. Use what you wish. | 01:01 |
| darkmatter | initial dev in a closed enviroment so random patches dont frak things up | 01:02 |
| darkmatter | then one the project is mature enough | 01:02 |
| darkmatter | dump the sources to svn | 01:02 |
| coz_ | troy_s, well yes but it offers many options that cannot be found in other apps especially open source | 01:02 |
| troy_s | Photoshop has really stunk for a number of years... apparently you misremember the entire era when _all_ of their plugins failed to work in the 8bit per channel to 16 bit per channel migration. | 01:02 |
| troy_s | etc. | 01:02 |
| coz_ | I am in a bad mood also so I may just play devil's advocate here ") | 01:02 |
| troy_s | coz_ and you need to look at imagemagick | 01:02 |
| troy_s | or graphicsmagick | 01:02 |
| coz_ | troy_s, yeah I know but I like gui | 01:02 |
| troy_s | as the algs in those two apps simply kill photos to piss. | 01:03 |
| troy_s | try side by each blurs etc. | 01:03 |
| troy_s | you will see what i mean. | 01:03 |
| darkmatter | coz_, you waant scary.. look at the "sources" fo emerald | 01:03 |
| darkmatter | _ONE_ file | 01:03 |
| darkmatter | o_O | 01:03 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, that one I can really believe emerald is really slow | 01:03 |
| coz_ | querky | 01:03 |
| troy_s | they are all moot considering they _rely_ on closed drivers, and that defeats the purpose. | 01:03 |
| coz_ | troy_s, you mean like nvidia or something? | 01:04 |
| darkmatter | coz_, quinn has no respect for any kind of code standards.. and he's a stubborn lesbian to boot | 01:04 |
| troy_s | espeically when raster has explained the rather logical and well thought out approach. | 01:04 |
| troy_s | lol | 01:04 |
| troy_s | darkmatter you are making me laugh out loud. | 01:04 |
| troy_s | coz_: yes... nvidia is a blight on free software | 01:04 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, lol | 01:04 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, well I am just angry they made me redo the beryl icons and then not use them | 01:04 |
| troy_s | as is ati (hopefully amd will rectify that) | 01:04 |
| coz_ | ati will never catch up | 01:05 |
| troy_s | coz_ you are kidding right? | 01:05 |
| coz_ | troy_s, well i hope not I love nividia | 01:05 |
| troy_s | lol | 01:05 |
| coz_ | ") | 01:05 |
| troy_s | your allies are questionable. | 01:05 |
| darkmatter | plus... emerald themes should be handleed like metacity or xfwm4... an emerald folder in the theme dir | 01:06 |
| troy_s | Rather like getting in bed with the devil... but to each their own. | 01:06 |
| coz_ | troy_s, lol | 01:06 |
| coz_ | i am not a foss guy | 01:06 |
| coz_ | by any standard | 01:06 |
| troy_s | If you care about those artsy notions of free and democratic societies, you are obliged to be. | 01:06 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, thats where I've met coz_!!!! he's the toon saddam insane from southpark! | 01:06 |
| troy_s | Read some of Stallman's work and get back to me. | 01:06 |
| troy_s | Lol. | 01:07 |
| troy_s | LOL | 01:07 |
| darkmatter | bad coz_!!! you made the devil cry! | 01:07 |
| coz_ | if someone said gimp is free so which do you want photoshop or gimp ... i would go out and by photoshop | 01:07 |
| troy_s | Gimp is archaic | 01:07 |
| troy_s | has nothing to do with FOSS | 01:07 |
| troy_s | or the principles | 01:07 |
| coz_ | understatement | 01:07 |
| troy_s | For most users however, gimp would probably suffice | 01:07 |
| coz_ | my favorite applicatin is corel painter | 01:07 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, gimp would be great... if they'd actually implement a new ui and a new backend ;) | 01:07 |
| troy_s | (considering they are shelling out 200 for a crimped version of photoshop elements) | 01:08 |
| coz_ | I had contact with the origianl develpers great guys | 01:08 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: I think it simply requires inkscape to supercede it | 01:08 |
| coz_ | was going to buy some of their code until they sold it to corel | 01:08 |
| troy_s | with some node based editing. | 01:08 |
| troy_s | actually, inkscape with a tablet and using the calligraphy tool renders some bloody incredible illustration work. | 01:08 |
| darkmatter | coz_, I wanna work for apple!!!! | 01:08 |
| darkmatter | >_> | 01:08 |
| troy_s | it is fast as hell too. | 01:08 |
| coz_ | darkmatter, traitor | 01:08 |
| troy_s | bah | 01:09 |
| andreasn | darkmatter: there is this interface professional dude that is working on gimp now though, and um, there is GEGL | 01:09 |
| troy_s | too bad steve jobs didn't die when he had his chance | 01:09 |
| troy_s | he is worse than gates ever was -- and drove his company into the paltry 4% from 97% market share. | 01:09 |
| darkmatter | NeXT FTW! | 01:09 |
| coz_ | at least troy_s and I agree about apple | 01:09 |
| troy_s | steve jobs is the snake oil salesman thief of the modern era. | 01:09 |
| coz_ | AMEN | 01:10 |
| troy_s | andreasn: cegl is amazing stuff | 01:10 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, true... but hes damn good at it! | 01:10 |
| darkmatter | :D | 01:10 |
| troy_s | if only it would mature to a point of getting attention. | 01:10 |
| coz_ | so is bill gates for all that | 01:10 |
| troy_s | not even close to steve jobs | 01:10 |
| troy_s | and no, he isn't good at it | 01:10 |
| troy_s | he drove his company into the ground | 01:10 |
| coz_ | well couldn't think of anyother comparison really | 01:10 |
| troy_s | he is a clever charlatan | 01:10 |
| troy_s | got fired from his own company | 01:10 |
| darkmatter | the best kind! | 01:10 |
| darkmatter | lol | 01:10 |
| troy_s | and returns as the salvation somehow... go figure. | 01:11 |
| troy_s | worse yet, he is probably the greatest peddler of drm/crm/nightmare out there. (although he is backpeddling on that too now... lol) | 01:11 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, be would have been the new apple if it wasnt fer the snooty "offer me more money!" attitude during negotiations | 01:11 |
| troy_s | look at what he did to xerox in the early years... he is nothing more than a low level thief. | 01:11 |
| darkmatter | thats the only reason apple approached jobs | 01:12 |
| troy_s | yeah be turned 400 million into 11 million. | 01:12 |
| troy_s | amazing eh? | 01:12 |
| troy_s | be was offered 400 million iirc from apple for their code base, and then sold to palm for 11. | 01:12 |
| troy_s | lol | 01:12 |
| troy_s | on a side note dark | 01:12 |
| troy_s | what is your experience with the underlying architecture for themeing in e? | 01:13 |
| troy_s | and does entrance work now? | 01:13 |
| troy_s | the deb file i installed had a borked entranced | 01:13 |
| darkmatter | heh... at least os x is better than vista... but the whole "buy our hardware which is freakishly overpriced... cause even if you own osx... installing it on non apple hardware is theft!!!!!" | 01:13 |
| darkmatter | is eww | 01:14 |
| troy_s | all of apple is eww to anyone with half a grey cell. | 01:15 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Does exhibit get compiled with easy e? | 01:15 |
| troy_s | or do i need to pass that as a param? | 01:15 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, yup | 01:16 |
| darkmatter | its in the list | 01:16 |
| darkmatter | so is entropy and extract and ephoto and emphasis | 01:17 |
| darkmatter | though the new ephoto and emphasis arent really functional atm | 01:17 |
| troy_s | unfamiliar with emphasis | 01:17 |
| darkmatter | its a rb like client for mpd | 01:18 |
| troy_s | did you see his 'rage' demo? | 01:18 |
| troy_s | and where the hell can you get rage? | 01:18 |
| darkmatter | nope | 01:18 |
| troy_s | that was pretty slick. | 01:18 |
| troy_s | raster's media center hack | 01:18 |
| darkmatter | ohh... that thing | 01:18 |
| darkmatter | yup | 01:18 |
| darkmatter | didnt know the name | 01:18 |
| darkmatter | it looks awesome | 01:19 |
| troy_s | feck it bogged out | 01:19 |
| troy_s | evas chunked out | 01:19 |
| troy_s | configure.in:88: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PATH_GENERIC | 01:20 |
| troy_s | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. | 01:20 |
| troy_s | See the Autoconf documentation. | 01:20 |
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| darkmatter | :O | 01:20 |
| coz_ | cute | 01:20 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: when did you compile last? | 01:21 |
| coz_ | ") | 01:21 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, three days ago | 01:21 |
| troy_s | grr feck | 01:21 |
| darkmatter | Now Playing: Sucker Train Blues by Velvet Revolver from Contraband (0:12/4:27) | 01:22 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Does easy take care of all the depends? | 01:22 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, no... you need to install them | 01:22 |
| darkmatter | one sec | 01:22 |
| troy_s | dammit | 01:23 |
| troy_s | that is probably it then... hopefully it is a retro m4 | 01:23 |
| troy_s | that i need to bump up | 01:23 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=533202&postcount=1 | 01:25 |
| troy_s | danke | 01:25 |
| darkmatter | np | 01:25 |
| coz_ | damn i actually looked at that link | 01:32 |
| troy_s | edge is compiling now. | 01:33 |
| coz_ | have to take a break after bein gin #beryl be back | 01:34 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397661996&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o | 01:34 |
| darkmatter | thats what Glory looks like atm | 01:35 |
| troy_s | your e is more ballsy. | 01:35 |
| troy_s | what do you use as a replacement for the tray notifies in e dark? | 01:35 |
| darkmatter | troy, I just use ibox... it animates notifications for minimized apps | 01:36 |
| darkmatter | I dont do the tray | 01:37 |
| darkmatter | :P | 01:37 |
| troy_s | it does animate eh? | 01:37 |
| troy_s | that's all that i was concerned with | 01:37 |
| darkmatter | yup... and how depends on the theme used | 01:38 |
| darkmatter | like.... winter does a popup iirc | 01:38 |
| troy_s | really? | 01:38 |
| troy_s | that is darkness that one you are running isn't it? | 01:38 |
| darkmatter | detour floats text overlay on the icon | 01:38 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, yup | 01:38 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: Do you know if you can turn an icon view on in evm or increase the sizes? | 01:41 |
| troy_s | i imagine you can, but i don't quite see where. | 01:41 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, not sure | 01:41 |
| darkmatter | I havent really dug through the guts yet | 01:42 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, http://njpatel.blogspot.com/index.html | 01:54 |
| darkmatter | chech the tracker post | 01:54 |
| darkmatter | *check | 01:54 |
| troy_s | tracker post? | 02:01 |
| troy_s | tst? | 02:01 |
| troy_s | darkmatter: ? | 02:01 |
| darkmatter | yup | 02:01 |
| darkmatter | the tst one | 02:01 |
| darkmatter | lookin slick it is | 02:01 |
| darkmatter | anyway... bbl | 02:02 |
| darkmatter | the missus wants at the puter | 02:02 |
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| lapo | hi there | 12:41 |
| mvgh | hi, lapo | 12:41 |
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| yharrow | hey | 12:47 |
| yharrow | how do I join ubuntu-artwork? | 12:47 |
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| yharrow | dave84, :) there is a typo in your interfaces file | 01:02 |
| yharrow | do sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces | 01:03 |
| yharrow | change the last line to #wireless-keys: | 01:04 |
| yharrow | instead of wireless-key s | 01:04 |
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| yharrow | hey | 01:42 |
| yharrow | anyone here? | 01:42 |
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| klepas | yharrow: moin | 01:56 |
| darkmatter | mornin all | 01:56 |
| klepas | moinmoin darkmatter | 01:57 |
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| yharrow | hey kepas | 02:55 |
| yharrow | you still there? | 02:55 |
| yharrow | klepas* | 02:56 |
| === kwwii pushed a gdm and session splash for the next herd (deadline today), check it out if you're interested | ||
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| yharrow | anybody here? | 03:13 |
| andreasn | yharrow: hi | 03:15 |
| yharrow | hey andreas | 03:15 |
| yharrow | andreas do you know how I can join the artwork team? | 03:15 |
| andreasn | yes, subscribe to the ubuntu-art mailing list | 03:16 |
| andreasn | there is also some ubuntu-art team in launchpad | 03:16 |
| andreasn | meaning you will get notified when there is artwork bugs opened and stuff | 03:17 |
| yharrow | all I need to do is subscribe? | 03:17 |
| andreasn | I think so anyway | 03:17 |
| yharrow | andreas, are you ont the art team? | 03:18 |
| andreasn | well, I'm subscribed to the list, on that launchpad-thingy and one of the authors of tangerine-icon-theme | 03:18 |
| andreasn | even though I focus most of my efforts on gnome upstream | 03:18 |
| yharrow | niiice.. | 03:19 |
| yharrow | so how do I get onto thye launchpad team? | 03:20 |
| yharrow | or rather how do i get on the artwork team in launchpad | 03:20 |
| andreasn | hm, it was like a million years since I got into that | 03:20 |
| andreasn | I'll look it up | 03:20 |
| yharrow | thanks man | 03:20 |
| andreasn | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art | 03:24 |
| andreasn | just add yourself, no approval needed | 03:24 |
| yharrow | oh ok will do | 03:24 |
| yharrow | thanks a ton man | 03:24 |
| andreasn | no problem | 03:24 |
| andreasn | hope you can contribute something cool | 03:25 |
| yharrow | btw have you noticed that in certain places the icons are totally conflicting with the human theme? | 03:25 |
| yharrow | like the translate icon in most apps | 03:25 |
| yharrow | and get help | 03:25 |
| yharrow | at least in gaim and some others | 03:26 |
| andreasn | hm, wonder why those even have icons | 03:26 |
| yharrow | well, from my design perspective almost everything should have an icon | 03:27 |
| yharrow | but rather have no icon then a horrible one | 03:27 |
| yharrow | :) | 03:28 |
| yharrow | so yeah | 03:28 |
| yharrow | btw why shouldnt they have icons? | 03:28 |
| yharrow | I would like to understand | 03:28 |
| andreasn | well, there is the osx approach that labels should be good and no icons in menus, the windows way that if there is a toolbar icon you should have a corresponding one in the menus | 03:28 |
| andreasn | and there is the gnome way that says that icons are pretty pictures | 03:29 |
| yharrow | do you mean that you feel some of the gnome icons are random? | 03:30 |
| yharrow | and there just for the sake of being there | 03:30 |
| yharrow | ? | 03:30 |
| andreasn | some are totally random and clutters the interface | 03:31 |
| yharrow | ok, Im beginning to understand what you mean. Can you give me an example? | 03:31 |
| andreasn | did you ever see garretts industrial theme for firefox, where everything in the menus had a icon? | 03:32 |
| yharrow | no I have not. is it default in gnome? | 03:32 |
| yharrow | :) would probably be something to see the way your describing it | 03:33 |
| andreasn | no, it's not, I think it shipped with NLD9 or something | 03:33 |
| andreasn | http://www.tigert.com/archives/2005/09/15/ive-created-a-monster/ | 03:33 |
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| yharrow | can you give me an example of an icon in ubuntu that is not coordinated and simply clutters | 03:33 |
| yharrow | am reading web page | 03:34 |
| andreasn | the most recent inkscape builds are a quite horrible example of too many icons in the menus | 03:35 |
| yharrow | need pasword to access garrets theme | 03:36 |
| yharrow | hmm | 03:36 |
| andreasn | even though some of the more visually oriented stuff use pictograms that actually help, like the stuff in Path | 03:36 |
| yharrow | gonna open inkscape | 03:36 |
| andreasn | anyway, I better get back to work | 03:36 |
| yharrow | ok | 03:36 |
| yharrow | thanks for pointing that stuff out though | 03:37 |
| yharrow | I think I agree with some of what your saying | 03:37 |
| yharrow | Ill ttyl | 03:37 |
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| nysosym | hi there :) | 11:50 |
| h4writer | kwwii, I see you're in charge for artwork in feisty. Can you look to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2196113. I think it will be a good improvement. | 11:51 |
| kwwii | h4writer: first off, I am making the artwork for feisty, not in charge of it :p | 12:04 |
| h4writer | :p ok, I guess you understood me;-) | 12:05 |
| kwwii | boah, and second, I am not a registered member of the forum yet | 12:05 |
| h4writer | ok, I will put it on imageshack | 12:05 |
| h4writer | (no member of forum?!) | 12:06 |
| h4writer | http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yelper9.png | 12:06 |
| troy_s | forums aren't popular | 12:06 |
| troy_s | and rather useless as 'yet another bloody thing to keep track of' for the busy folks. | 12:06 |
| kwwii | h4writer: registered now | 12:07 |
| h4writer | (y) | 12:07 |
| kwwii | so, I think that they do not stand out enough with that light of grey | 12:07 |
| h4writer | and with a hover on (like in gnome-control-center)? | 12:08 |
| troy_s | might help to have a current to compare against h4writer | 12:08 |
| troy_s | as in show the 'current' look versus your mock. | 12:08 |
| troy_s | so that it is easier to say positive direction or negative... | 12:08 |
| h4writer | (just click on that ? on your taskbar in ubuntu:p) | 12:09 |
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