[12:18] <darkmatter> boom boom :D
[12:18] <darkmatter> troy_s, ping
[12:29] <darkmatter> troy_s, pushing some revisions to bzr... should be done soon
[12:32] <darkmatter> ok.. its pushed
[12:34] <darkmatter> afternoon coz_ -imoto xD
[12:35] <coz_> darkmatter, evening guy
[12:35] <darkmatter> coz_ I know you hate the slab and all... but have you seen the current cairo lovin' WIP version2?
[12:36] <coz_> darkmatter,  no I haven't however there was another verison of slab i saw that was outstanding I forget the name of it
[12:36] <coz_> but suse slab sucks
[12:36] <coz_> link
[12:37] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397838022&size=o
[12:37] <coz_> nope don't like that one either
[12:38] <darkmatter> gnome-main-menu version 2... but for the life of me cant figure out the changes in the theme format
[12:39] <darkmatter> coz_ if you mean the USP I'll kill ya'... that bloody thing is bloated and an affront to usability -_-
[12:39] <andreasn> does it work well with the buttons? I found myself adding a link to the home folder in the previous one
[12:39] <andreasn> on the panel
[12:39] <darkmatter> andreasn, yup.. works nice...
[12:39] <coz_> darkmatter, slab is for children to learn linux as far as i am concerned.. it has no real place on an adult system
[12:40] <troy_s> darkmatter: On glory?
[12:40] <darkmatter> you can show all your gtkbookmarks too
[12:40] <andreasn> darkmatter: cool. I tried slab in order to test some 32x32 icons and got stuck
[12:40] <darkmatter> I just disabled it in gconf cause it makes the menu fscking huge
[12:41] <darkmatter> andreasn, but its not a clean hack (yet).. I had to manually install some of the files due to the svn branch being incomplete... but I'm working on a proper build
[12:41] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[12:42] <darkmatter> coz_... its not an ideal solution in terms of efficency.. but its cleaner navigation than *shudder* menus ;)
[12:43] <darkmatter> I loath and despise menus
[12:43] <troy_s> darkmatter: Have you seen raster's video in e?
[12:43] <troy_s> its bloody amazing and answers a lot of questions regarding xcomposite etc.
[12:43] <darkmatter> troy_s, which vid?? he has several
[12:43] <troy_s> He is a bloody bright guy.
[12:43] <darkmatter> yup
[12:43] <troy_s> The one from the linux presentation recently.
[12:43] <darkmatter> ahhh yup
[12:44] <troy_s> It's too bad many of the e zealots are pimply little pricks who need to have their asses kicked.
[12:44] <andreasn> I'm curios about Gimmie, that seems to be a interesting approach
[12:44] <coz_> andreasn, tried gimme on beryl didn't work for me
[12:44] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=395190585&size=o <-- current svn greatness
[12:45] <troy_s> wtf is that?!?
[12:45] <troy_s> e?
[12:45] <darkmatter> andreasn, gimmie is cool.. but the applet version has some serious focus bugs
[12:45] <troy_s> geezus.
[12:45] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[12:45] <troy_s> darkmatter: Is that your desky?
[12:45] <darkmatter> ANIMATED ICONS!
[12:45] <darkmatter> yup
[12:45] <darkmatter> thats mye install
[12:45] <darkmatter> cvs rocks
[12:45] <troy_s> Yeah we shoudl bloody collaborate on an e design pattern
[12:46] <troy_s> we could probably really clobber a home run
[12:46] <troy_s> it has ++everything++ that i have griped about missing from gnome etc
[12:46] <darkmatter> troy_s, whats really amazing is how fast it is even with all the bling
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: You running edgy, and if so, what is the best way to compile from CVS?  the last time i tried it, it was a nightmare.
[12:46] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yeah, that video has the reasoning in it...
[12:46] <troy_s> less overheads to calls to xcomposite
[12:47] <darkmatter> troy_s... scriptie
[12:47] <darkmatter> I'll grab a linky
[12:47] <troy_s> easy e?
[12:47] <darkmatter> easy_e17.sh
[12:47] <troy_s> I just finished the bloody strokework for u2... i could use some compiling time
[12:47] <troy_s> wallpaper is a drag.
[12:48] <troy_s> i need to throw myself into a kwwii coma next to fuddle with grads and such.  i don't know if i have it in me.
[12:48] <darkmatter> http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/
[12:48] <darkmatter> err
[12:48] <darkmatter> http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/easy_e17/easy_e17.sh
[12:48] <darkmatter> brb
[12:49] <coz_> e17?
[12:49] <troy_s> thanks darkmatter
[12:49] <troy_s> coz_ enlightenment
[12:49] <coz_> yuk tried that on sabayon did n't like that either who is designing this stuff? :)
[12:49] <troy_s> watch the video if you want to see its ability.
[12:49] <coz_> troy_s, no never id dlike it
[12:50] <troy_s> erm... it is the most versatile, lean, etc window manager available
[12:50] <troy_s> you need to apply your artist cap and see past the defaults
[12:50] <coz_> well maybe so
[12:50] <troy_s> it is a helluva designer dream
[12:50] <coz_> but it looks terrible
[12:50] <coz_> i know you can change it but
[12:50] <troy_s> so does ubuntu... that doesn't stop you.
[12:50] <troy_s> lol
[12:50] <coz_> I love ubuntu
[12:50] <coz_> :)
[12:51] <troy_s> ubuntu's look?
[12:51] <troy_s> are you bonkers?
[12:51] <coz_> troy_s, well I like the look of gnome yes it is simple doesn't get in the way and it is logical
[12:51] <troy_s> yes... try white e17
[12:51] <coz_> no
[12:51] <coz_> no way :)
[12:51] <troy_s> (although it is a bit white sterile... very minimalist)
[12:52] <troy_s> No clunky 2 pixel bevels etc.
[12:52] <troy_s> it is a very very very well designed window manager.
[12:52] <troy_s> Although again, the defaults leave a little to be desired.
[12:53] <coz_>  troy_s well maybe so I know darkmatter likes it as well, but i thought fluxbox was nicer
[12:53] <coz_> more simple
[12:53] <coz_> if that is the correct name of it "_
[12:53] <troy_s> Not a chance
[12:53] <darkmatter> coz_... flux box isnt a shell/DE though.... window managers dont count :P
[12:54] <troy_s> fluxbox isn't even close to the simplicity of e
[12:54] <coz_> darkmatter, ok
[12:54] <troy_s> watch that video to see the memory differences too.
[12:54] <coz_> still I like gnome with beryl that is all I need to get work done
[12:54] <troy_s> It really is the future...
[12:54] <troy_s> beryl is a clunky nightmare hack.
[12:54] <darkmatter> coz_ e may be the god of bling... but it has incredibly clean code
[12:54] <troy_s> sorry to sound rude, but it is true
[12:54] <coz_> troy_s, dude no way it works really well
[12:54] <troy_s> e does it _properly_
[12:54] <darkmatter> flux is fugly for something so simple
[12:55] <darkmatter> as in the code is fugly
[12:55] <coz_> darkmatter, well my experience with all of them was on sabayon which gives you the opportunity to use any one fo them I liked fluxbox the best
[12:56] <coz_> but Ill tell you waht i will go back into ababyon andtry it for more than 5 minutes :)
[12:56] <coz_> if i change my mind i will tell you ")
[12:56] <darkmatter> coz_... look at the code for beryl.... its really dirty duct tape workarounds that dont fix problems... they just hide them... kinda like ms does in windows
[12:56] <coz_> darkmatter, yeah I know I have read that but beryl  is nice none theless
[12:57] <darkmatter> they plaster a bunch of fugly patches in multiple layers and call it a fork... rofl
[12:57] <troy_s> Yep.
[12:57] <coz_> compiz is to slow in new things
[12:57] <troy_s> It really is a kludge because the lower level architecture hasn't been thought through like Raster has.
[12:57] <troy_s> Check out the demo with six videos playing at differing levels of translucency to see how elegant his work is.
[12:57] <coz_> well quinn lives just 20 minutes from me so I have to support beryl :)
[12:58] <darkmatter> bah... silliness
[12:58] <darkmatter> :P
[12:58] <troy_s> Quinn should rethink his approach.
[12:58] <coz_> i do have to say that they contacted me to redo the beryl icons at the last minute, got 90 % of them done and then they didn't use them
[12:58] <darkmatter> if quinn livd 20 minutes from me I'd head on over and bitch slap him for beryl -_-
[12:58] <troy_s> It really is riding a wave that will drive things into the ditch.
[12:58] <troy_s> lol
[12:58] <troy_s> lol
[12:59] <troy_s> We need to seriously consider the long term effects of relying on 3rd party closed drivers
[12:59] <coz_> darkmatter, well guy come on... I have used both beryl and compiz, and you were the one who convinced me to switch to beryl
[12:59] <troy_s> it is an ethical, semantic, and logical nightmare.
[12:59] <coz_> troy_s, I prefer closed drivers myself
[01:00] <coz_> as wellas closed apps
[01:00] <troy_s> eek
[01:00] <darkmatter> compiz is slow atm and not the best because the low level stuff is still being worked on... but its being done in a proper manner.. lots of design.. not freaky version bumps from patching
[01:00] <coz_> i want quality from payed programmers
[01:00] <troy_s> coz_  that is an arcane and obsolete manner of thinking.
[01:00] <coz_> troy_s, perhaps but realisitc
[01:00] <troy_s> Not even close.
[01:01] <troy_s> Many free software developers get paid.
[01:01] <troy_s> Many pieces of free software code are infinitely better in architectural design than any closed source equivalent.
[01:01] <coz_> troy_s, the day an open source app matches photoshop i will agree with you
[01:01] <troy_s> Photoshop is a completely limited application.
[01:01] <darkmatter> coz_, nope... I do like proprietary good to an extent... but really... if you want closed do it the novell way
[01:01] <troy_s> With a very small target base.
[01:01] <troy_s> In the end, output is output.  Use what you wish.
[01:02] <darkmatter> initial dev in a closed enviroment so random patches dont frak things up
[01:02] <darkmatter> then one the project is mature  enough
[01:02] <darkmatter> dump the sources to svn
[01:02] <coz_> troy_s, well yes but it offers many options that cannot be found in other apps especially open source
[01:02] <troy_s> Photoshop has really stunk for a number of years... apparently you misremember the entire era when _all_ of their plugins failed to work in the 8bit per channel to 16 bit per channel migration.
[01:02] <troy_s> etc.
[01:02] <coz_> I am in a bad mood also so I may just play devil's advocate here ")
[01:02] <troy_s> coz_  and you need to look at imagemagick
[01:02] <troy_s> or graphicsmagick
[01:02] <coz_> troy_s, yeah I know but I like gui
[01:03] <troy_s> as the algs in those two apps simply kill photos to piss.
[01:03] <troy_s> try side by each blurs etc.
[01:03] <troy_s> you will see what i mean.
[01:03] <darkmatter> coz_, you waant scary.. look at the "sources" fo emerald
[01:03] <darkmatter> _ONE_ file
[01:03] <darkmatter> o_O
[01:03] <coz_> darkmatter, that one I can really believe emerald is really slow
[01:03] <coz_> querky
[01:03] <troy_s> they are all moot considering they _rely_ on closed drivers, and that defeats the purpose.
[01:04] <coz_> troy_s, you mean like nvidia or something?
[01:04] <darkmatter> coz_, quinn has no respect for any kind of code standards.. and he's a stubborn lesbian to boot
[01:04] <troy_s> espeically when raster has explained the rather logical and well thought out approach.
[01:04] <troy_s> lol
[01:04] <troy_s> darkmatter you are making me laugh out loud.
[01:04] <troy_s> coz_: yes... nvidia is a blight on free software
[01:04] <darkmatter> troy_s, lol
[01:04] <coz_> darkmatter, well I am just angry they made me redo the beryl icons and then not use them
[01:04] <troy_s> as is ati (hopefully amd will rectify that)
[01:05] <coz_> ati will never catch up
[01:05] <troy_s> coz_ you are kidding right?
[01:05] <coz_> troy_s, well i hope not I love nividia
[01:05] <troy_s> lol
[01:05] <coz_> ")
[01:05] <troy_s> your allies are questionable.
[01:06] <darkmatter> plus... emerald themes should be handleed like metacity or xfwm4... an emerald folder in the theme dir
[01:06] <troy_s> Rather like getting in bed with the devil... but to each their own.
[01:06] <coz_> troy_s, lol
[01:06] <coz_> i am not a foss guy
[01:06] <coz_> by any standard
[01:06] <troy_s> If you care about those artsy notions of free and democratic societies, you are obliged to be.
[01:06] <darkmatter> troy_s, thats where I've met coz_!!!! he's the toon saddam insane from southpark!
[01:06] <troy_s> Read some of Stallman's work and get back to me.
[01:07] <troy_s> Lol.
[01:07] <troy_s> LOL
[01:07] <darkmatter> bad coz_!!! you made the devil cry!
[01:07] <coz_> if someone said gimp is free so which do you want photoshop or gimp ... i would go out and by photoshop
[01:07] <troy_s> Gimp is archaic
[01:07] <troy_s> has nothing to do with FOSS
[01:07] <troy_s> or the principles
[01:07] <coz_> understatement
[01:07] <troy_s> For most users however, gimp would probably suffice
[01:07] <coz_> my favorite applicatin is corel painter
[01:07] <darkmatter> troy_s, gimp would be great... if they'd actually implement a new ui and a new backend ;)
[01:08] <troy_s> (considering they are shelling out 200 for a crimped version of photoshop elements)
[01:08] <coz_> I had contact with the origianl develpers great guys
[01:08] <troy_s> darkmatter: I think it simply requires inkscape to supercede it
[01:08] <coz_>  was going to buy some of their code until they sold it to corel
[01:08] <troy_s> with some node based editing.
[01:08] <troy_s> actually, inkscape with a tablet and using the calligraphy tool renders some bloody incredible illustration work.
[01:08] <darkmatter> coz_, I wanna work for apple!!!!
[01:08] <darkmatter> >_>
[01:08] <troy_s> it is fast as hell too.
[01:08] <coz_> darkmatter, traitor
[01:09] <troy_s> bah
[01:09] <andreasn> darkmatter: there is this interface professional dude that is working on gimp now though, and um, there is GEGL
[01:09] <troy_s> too bad steve jobs didn't die when he had his chance
[01:09] <troy_s> he is worse than gates ever was -- and drove his company into the paltry 4% from 97% market share.
[01:09] <darkmatter> NeXT FTW!
[01:09] <coz_> at least troy_s and I agree about apple
[01:09] <troy_s> steve jobs is the snake oil salesman thief of the modern era.
[01:10] <coz_> AMEN
[01:10] <troy_s> andreasn: cegl is amazing stuff
[01:10] <darkmatter> troy_s, true... but hes damn good at it!
[01:10] <darkmatter> :D
[01:10] <troy_s> if only it would mature to a point of getting attention.
[01:10] <coz_> so is bill gates for all that
[01:10] <troy_s> not even close to steve jobs
[01:10] <troy_s> and no, he isn't good at it
[01:10] <troy_s> he drove his company into the ground
[01:10] <coz_> well couldn't think of anyother comparison really
[01:10] <troy_s> he is a clever charlatan
[01:10] <troy_s> got fired from his own company
[01:10] <darkmatter> the best kind!
[01:10] <darkmatter> lol
[01:11] <troy_s> and returns as the salvation somehow... go figure.
[01:11] <troy_s> worse yet, he is probably the greatest peddler of drm/crm/nightmare out there.  (although he is backpeddling on that too now... lol)
[01:11] <darkmatter> troy_s, be would have been the new apple if it wasnt fer the snooty "offer me more money!" attitude during negotiations
[01:11] <troy_s> look at what he did to xerox in the early years... he is nothing more than a low level thief.
[01:12] <darkmatter> thats the only reason apple approached jobs
[01:12] <troy_s> yeah be turned 400 million into 11 million.
[01:12] <troy_s> amazing eh?
[01:12] <troy_s> be was offered 400 million iirc from apple for their code base, and then sold to palm for 11.
[01:12] <troy_s> lol
[01:12] <troy_s> on a side note dark
[01:13] <troy_s> what is your experience with the underlying architecture for themeing in e?
[01:13] <troy_s> and does entrance work now?
[01:13] <troy_s> the deb file i installed had a borked entranced
[01:13] <darkmatter> heh... at least os x is better than vista... but the whole "buy our hardware which is freakishly overpriced... cause even if you own osx... installing it on non apple hardware is theft!!!!!"
[01:14] <darkmatter> is eww
[01:15] <troy_s> all of apple is eww to anyone with half a grey cell.
[01:15] <troy_s> darkmatter: Does exhibit get compiled with easy e?
[01:15] <troy_s> or do i need to pass that as a param?
[01:16] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[01:16] <darkmatter> its in the list
[01:17] <darkmatter> so is entropy and extract and ephoto and emphasis
[01:17] <darkmatter> though the new ephoto and emphasis arent really functional atm
[01:17] <troy_s> unfamiliar with emphasis
[01:18] <darkmatter> its a rb like client for mpd
[01:18] <troy_s> did you see his 'rage' demo?
[01:18] <troy_s> and where the hell can you get rage?
[01:18] <darkmatter> nope
[01:18] <troy_s> that was pretty slick.
[01:18] <troy_s> raster's media center hack
[01:18] <darkmatter> ohh... that thing
[01:18] <darkmatter> yup
[01:18] <darkmatter> didnt know the name
[01:19] <darkmatter> it looks awesome
[01:19] <troy_s> feck it bogged out
[01:19] <troy_s> evas chunked out
[01:20] <troy_s> configure.in:88: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PATH_GENERIC
[01:20] <troy_s>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
[01:20] <troy_s>       See the Autoconf documentation.
[01:20] <darkmatter> :O
[01:20] <coz_> cute
[01:21] <troy_s> darkmatter: when did you compile last?
[01:21] <coz_> ")
[01:21] <darkmatter> troy_s, three days ago
[01:21] <troy_s> grr feck
[01:22] <darkmatter> Now Playing: Sucker Train Blues by Velvet Revolver from Contraband (0:12/4:27)
[01:22] <troy_s> darkmatter: Does easy take care of all the depends?
[01:22] <darkmatter> troy_s, no... you need to install them
[01:22] <darkmatter> one sec
[01:23] <troy_s> dammit
[01:23] <troy_s> that is probably it then... hopefully it is a retro m4
[01:23] <troy_s> that i need to bump up
[01:25] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=533202&postcount=1
[01:25] <troy_s> danke
[01:25] <darkmatter> np
[01:32] <coz_> damn i actually looked at that link
[01:33] <troy_s> edge is compiling now.
[01:34] <coz_> have to take a break after bein gin #beryl be back
[01:34] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397661996&context=set-72157594488098254&size=o
[01:35] <darkmatter> thats what Glory looks like atm
[01:35] <troy_s> your e is more ballsy.
[01:35] <troy_s> what do you use as a replacement for the tray notifies in e dark?
[01:36] <darkmatter> troy, I just use ibox... it animates notifications for minimized apps
[01:37] <darkmatter> I dont do the tray
[01:37] <darkmatter> :P
[01:37] <troy_s> it does animate eh?
[01:37] <troy_s> that's all that i was concerned with
[01:38] <darkmatter> yup... and how depends on the theme used
[01:38] <darkmatter> like.... winter does a popup iirc
[01:38] <troy_s> really?
[01:38] <troy_s> that is darkness that one you are running isn't it?
[01:38] <darkmatter> detour floats text overlay on the icon
[01:38] <darkmatter> troy_s, yup
[01:41] <troy_s> darkmatter: Do you know if you can turn an icon view on in evm or increase the sizes?
[01:41] <troy_s> i imagine you can, but i don't quite see where.
[01:41] <darkmatter> troy_s, not sure
[01:42] <darkmatter> I havent really dug through the guts yet
[01:54] <darkmatter> troy_s, http://njpatel.blogspot.com/index.html
[01:54] <darkmatter> chech the tracker post
[01:54] <darkmatter> *check
[02:01] <troy_s> tracker post?
[02:01] <troy_s> tst?
[02:01] <troy_s> darkmatter: ?
[02:01] <darkmatter> yup
[02:01] <darkmatter> the tst one
[02:01] <darkmatter> lookin slick it is
[02:02] <darkmatter> anyway... bbl
[02:02] <darkmatter> the missus wants at the puter
[12:41] <lapo> hi there
[12:41] <mvgh> hi, lapo
[12:47] <yharrow> hey
[12:47] <yharrow> how do I join ubuntu-artwork?
[01:02] <yharrow> dave84, :) there is a typo in your interfaces file
[01:03] <yharrow> do sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[01:04] <yharrow> change the last line to #wireless-keys:
[01:04] <yharrow> instead of wireless-key s
[01:42] <yharrow> hey
[01:42] <yharrow> anyone here?
[01:56] <klepas> yharrow: moin
[01:56] <darkmatter> mornin all
[01:57] <klepas> moinmoin darkmatter
[02:55] <yharrow> hey kepas
[02:55] <yharrow> you still there?
[02:56] <yharrow> klepas*
[03:13] <yharrow> anybody here?
[03:15] <andreasn> yharrow: hi
[03:15] <yharrow> hey andreas
[03:15] <yharrow> andreas do you know how I can join the artwork team?
[03:16] <andreasn> yes, subscribe to the ubuntu-art mailing list
[03:16] <andreasn> there is also some ubuntu-art team in launchpad
[03:17] <andreasn> meaning you will get notified when there is artwork bugs opened and stuff
[03:17] <yharrow> all I need to do is subscribe?
[03:17] <andreasn> I think so anyway
[03:18] <yharrow> andreas, are you ont the art team?
[03:18] <andreasn> well, I'm subscribed to the list, on that launchpad-thingy and one of the authors of tangerine-icon-theme
[03:18] <andreasn> even though I focus most of my efforts on gnome upstream
[03:19] <yharrow> niiice..
[03:20] <yharrow> so how do I get onto thye launchpad team?
[03:20] <yharrow> or rather how do i get on the artwork team in launchpad
[03:20] <andreasn> hm, it was like a million years since I got into that
[03:20] <andreasn> I'll look it up
[03:20] <yharrow> thanks man
[03:24] <andreasn> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art
[03:24] <andreasn> just add yourself, no approval needed
[03:24] <yharrow> oh ok will do
[03:24] <yharrow> thanks a ton man
[03:24] <andreasn> no problem
[03:25] <andreasn> hope you can contribute something cool
[03:25] <yharrow> btw have you noticed that in certain places the icons are totally conflicting with the human theme?
[03:25] <yharrow> like the translate icon in most apps
[03:25] <yharrow> and get help
[03:26] <yharrow> at least in gaim and some others
[03:26] <andreasn> hm, wonder why those even have icons
[03:27] <yharrow> well, from my design perspective almost everything should have an icon
[03:27] <yharrow> but rather have no icon then a horrible one
[03:28] <yharrow> :)
[03:28] <yharrow> so yeah
[03:28] <yharrow> btw why shouldnt they have icons?
[03:28] <yharrow> I would like to understand
[03:28] <andreasn> well, there is the osx approach that labels should be good and no icons in menus, the windows way that if there is a toolbar icon you should have a corresponding one in the menus
[03:29] <andreasn> and there is the gnome way that says that icons are pretty pictures
[03:30] <yharrow> do you mean that you feel some of the gnome icons are random?
[03:30] <yharrow> and there just for the sake of being there
[03:30] <yharrow> ?
[03:31] <andreasn> some are totally random and clutters the interface
[03:31] <yharrow> ok, Im beginning to understand what you mean. Can you give me an example?
[03:32] <andreasn> did you ever see garretts industrial theme for firefox, where everything in the menus had a icon?
[03:32] <yharrow> no I have not. is it default in gnome?
[03:33] <yharrow> :) would probably be something to see the way your describing it
[03:33] <andreasn> no, it's not, I think it shipped with NLD9 or something
[03:33] <andreasn> http://www.tigert.com/archives/2005/09/15/ive-created-a-monster/
[03:33] <yharrow> can you give me an example of  an icon in ubuntu that is not coordinated and simply clutters
[03:34] <yharrow> am reading web page
[03:35] <andreasn> the most recent inkscape builds are a quite horrible example of too many icons in the menus
[03:36] <yharrow> need pasword to access garrets theme
[03:36] <yharrow> hmm
[03:36] <andreasn> even though some of the more visually oriented stuff use pictograms that actually help, like the stuff in Path
[03:36] <yharrow> gonna open inkscape
[03:36] <andreasn> anyway, I better get back to work
[03:36] <yharrow> ok
[03:37] <yharrow> thanks for pointing that stuff out though
[03:37] <yharrow> I think I agree with some of what your saying
[03:37] <yharrow> Ill ttyl
[11:50] <nysosym> hi there :)
[11:51] <h4writer> kwwii, I see you're in charge for artwork in feisty. Can you look to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2196113. I think it will be a good improvement.
[12:04] <kwwii> h4writer: first off, I am making the artwork for feisty, not in charge of it :p
[12:05] <h4writer> :p ok, I guess you understood me;-)
[12:05] <kwwii> boah, and second, I am not a registered member of the forum yet
[12:05] <h4writer> ok, I will put it on imageshack
[12:06] <h4writer> (no member of forum?!)
[12:06] <h4writer> http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yelper9.png
[12:06] <troy_s> forums aren't popular
[12:06] <troy_s> and rather useless as 'yet another bloody thing to keep track of' for the busy folks.
[12:07] <kwwii> h4writer: registered now
[12:07] <h4writer> (y)
[12:07] <kwwii> so, I think that they do not stand out enough with that light of grey
[12:08] <h4writer> and with a hover on (like in gnome-control-center)?
[12:08] <troy_s> might help to have a current to compare against h4writer
[12:08] <troy_s> as in show the 'current' look versus your mock.
[12:08] <troy_s> so that it is easier to say positive direction or negative...
[12:09] <h4writer> (just click on that ? on your taskbar in ubuntu:p)