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| shawarma | seb128__: There. Both reuploaded. | 12:18 |
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| shawarma | seb128: Both reuploaded. | 12:22 |
| seb128 | ok, will have a look to them | 12:23 |
| shawarma | seb128: Cool. Sorry for all the fuss. I never imagined the copyright issues with these packages would be so complex. | 12:24 |
| seb128 | np | 12:24 |
| shawarma | seb128: I'm off for tonight. Should there be any other issues, just /msg me or mail me at sh@linux2go.dk ok? Thank you very much for your help. | 12:26 |
| seb128 | k, will do that or ping you tomorrow, np, thank you for the work on those packages | 12:27 |
| shawarma | np | 12:27 |
| shawarma | G'night. | 12:27 |
| seb128 | 'night | 12:28 |
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| BenC | anyone know a decent flow chart program? | 12:33 |
| kylem | visio | 12:33 |
| kylem | :P | 12:33 |
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| sistpoty | BenC: /me likes dia pretty much, but I don't know if you'd call that decent ;) | 12:34 |
| BenC | kivio...sounds nearly the same and starts with a 'K', it must be good | 12:34 |
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| lifeless | err | 02:15 |
| lifeless | why does ubuntu-standard depend on *dselect* ? wtf? | 02:15 |
| jdong | why don't you.... de-select it! \end{terriblepun} | 02:16 |
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| tsmithe | @lart jdong | 02:16 |
| tsmithe | that was horrible! | 02:16 |
| elmo | anyone got up-to-date feisty? | 02:17 |
| jdong | elmo: sup? | 02:17 |
| elmo | jdong: can you see if xmodmap works for you? | 02:18 |
| elmo | xmodmap -e "keycode 11 = 2 quotedbl" | 02:18 |
| elmo | e.g. ^-- try that | 02:18 |
| elmo | and see if shift-2 produces '"' afterwards. assuming you're on a US keymap | 02:18 |
| jdong | " | 02:18 |
| jdong | yeah | 02:18 |
| jdong | works fine here... | 02:18 |
| elmo | jdong: when did you last update? | 02:18 |
| jdong | 5 minutes ago | 02:18 |
| elmo | hmm, meh | 02:19 |
| jdong | remember I was whining to you about the archive? :D | 02:19 |
| elmo | I have no idea why this is broken for me, but it's broken, even with a completely new user | 02:19 |
| jdong | feisty X since two days ago has been acting up for me somewhat though | 02:20 |
| jdong | like terminal scroll is absurdly slow | 02:20 |
| jdong | and even locks up X sometimes | 02:20 |
| jdong | beryl broke too but that's old news ;-) | 02:20 |
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| z_malloc | hello | 04:13 |
| z_malloc | any ubuntu developers know why this bug would take so long to resolve, and be priority : low urgency ?? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/66702 | 04:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66702 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "GCC emits 3DNow!-specific instruction for __builtin_prefetch" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 04:14 |
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| z_malloc | 4 months to resolve a bug rendering mysql inoperable in the 64bit server version seems insane to me | 04:15 |
| z_malloc | im concerned about using ubuntu long term in a production environment if a bug like this takes 4 months to correct, and the guy who fixes it doesn't even have an EMT64 machine. | 04:16 |
| pochu | z_malloc: I'm not an ubuntu developer, but I'm looking at that bug report, and it's marked as fixed, so what's the problem? | 04:18 |
| HrdwrBoB | anyone using production ubuntu and not using LTS on servers is insane | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | from what i can see , that bug was filed in the edgy development phase | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | and fixed in the edgy development phase | 04:19 |
| HrdwrBoB | and anyone not using at the very least, stable, should be committed | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | if your running the unstable version in your production environments, you'll have plenty of other issues to worry about ;) | 04:19 |
| z_malloc | the problem is I'm trying to understand why it took 4 months to fix, and is marked low urgency. the installer says "install LAMP server". seems like having apache, mysql and php working would be pretty important. | 04:19 |
| pochu | z_malloc: it isn't marked as low urgency | 04:20 |
| z_malloc | the bug was submitted in october 06, and the fix was submitted a few days ago. | 04:20 |
| pochu | z_malloc: it is undecided | 04:20 |
| z_malloc | mysql-dfsg-5.0 details Current version: 5.0.24a-9ubuntu1 | 04:21 |
| z_malloc | Upload date: 2007-02-16 | 04:21 |
| z_malloc | Urgency: Low Urgency | 04:21 |
| Lathiat | oh i see i misread, my appologies | 04:21 |
| Lathiat | z_malloc: thats the source, not the bug | 04:21 |
| z_malloc | ahh i see | 04:21 |
| z_malloc | that makes more sense :) | 04:21 |
| pochu | z_malloc: 13 Dec 06 14:44 Matthias Klose gcc-4.1: status Confirmed Fix Released | 04:21 |
| z_malloc | hmmm. i installed after that date, and updated since. | 04:22 |
| pochu | z_malloc: it was fixed in gcc in december. however, it was noticed also in mysql, so it was fixed later ;) | 04:22 |
| z_malloc | i don't understand. mysql won't start. | 04:23 |
| pochu | 15 Feb 07 19:08 <---- Date when it was reported on mysql-dfsg-5.0 | 04:23 |
| pochu | z_malloc: ^^ | 04:23 |
| pochu | z_malloc: so 6 days to be fixed :) | 04:23 |
| z_malloc | i guess thats what i mean | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | pochu: that bug was opened 18/10/06 | 04:24 |
| pochu | Lathiat: for gcc yes | 04:24 |
| pochu | Lathiat: but not for mysql | 04:24 |
| pochu | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/66702/+activity | 04:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66702 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "GCC emits 3DNow!-specific instruction for __builtin_prefetch" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 04:24 |
| pochu | look there | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | thats what im looking at | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | Bug Details: | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | Reported on: | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | 2006-10-18 17:04:14 WST | 04:24 |
| pochu | Lathiat: but that's the gcc bug | 04:25 |
| Lathiat | the bug was originally filed against mysql | 04:25 |
| Lathiat | and then mvoed to gcc as it was actually a gcc bug | 04:25 |
| Lathiat | z_malloc: certainly if you have a critical production environment, perhaps you should look at purchasing support from canonical | 04:25 |
| pochu | Lathiat: you are right, sorry | 04:25 |
| pochu | hehe | 04:25 |
| z_malloc | whether it took 2 months to fix, or 4 .. either way.. isn't it important enough? | 04:26 |
| z_malloc | aren't tons of people using 64bit server | 04:26 |
| z_malloc | and more importantly.. didn't anyway try Mysql?? i mean, its pushed as a LAMP server right from the start of the install | 04:27 |
| z_malloc | i'm just trying to understand the scenerio, thats all. | 04:28 |
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| z_malloc | i am hopeful that i am missing something | 04:28 |
| pochu | z_malloc: the really stable system is the LTS (dapper) | 04:28 |
| pochu | maybe that's what you are missing (maybe not) | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Yes, there are thousands of packages and not enough developers | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | z_malloc: The current Ubuntu "focus" is on the desktop environment | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | z_malloc: while the server efforts are not without aid, it is not the focus of the dev teams at this time | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: yet there are still server editions, with mysql prominently available | 04:30 |
| z_malloc | yes, but its the server version, and .. maybe i'm wrong.. but it just seems like mysql is like one of the top 2 applications in that distribution. way to important to have simply not working for months. | 04:30 |
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| z_malloc | that was my other question. did this bug only afflict some amd64 installs? or all | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | only em64t | 04:31 |
| HrdwrBoB | yeah | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | all the 64-bit amd chips support the instruction used | 04:31 |
| HrdwrBoB | it's an amd specific extension | 04:31 |
| z_malloc | which is what? all intel based chips | 04:31 |
| HrdwrBoB | basically yes | 04:32 |
| HrdwrBoB | but only if you run 64bit | 04:32 |
| Lathiat | "all intel based 64bits, running the 64bit distribution" | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | which is hardly uncommon for a server | 04:32 |
| z_malloc | ajmitch : my thoughts as well | 04:32 |
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| z_malloc | basically, two chips. amd/intel, and with dell only providing intel.. i just don't understand | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | however I'll most likely run dapper or etch | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | 'edgy' has its name for a reason | 04:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | I agree it should be fixed | 04:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | but I also think that anyone running a server not running dapper needs their head read | 04:33 |
| pochu | anyway it's already fixed :) | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | z_malloc: have you confirmed that it is fixed & replied on the bug report? | 04:34 |
| z_malloc | i am glad its fixed, and i don't want to come off as a jerk. im just fearful about this being a sign for things to come. ala debian package maint. which has gotten really bad. | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | pochu: in -proposed, iirc | 04:34 |
| pochu | ajmitch: oh, right :) | 04:34 |
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| z_malloc | ajmitch : no i havent. i forced the previous version from dapper, which was suggested in the ubuntu forums. not an ideal solution, but the only one i could find short of compiling. | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | ok, testing of the version in edgy-proposed would be appreciated if you have the time | 04:35 |
| z_malloc | sadly, im barely capable of installing packages. my linux skills are weak at best. | 04:36 |
| z_malloc | well..thats a bit overstated. but needless to say, i'm probably not well suited. | 04:38 |
| pochu | z_malloc: then, please comment the bug report confirming that it's fixed, in order to get it to the -updates repo | 04:38 |
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| z_malloc | others have commented that it is working now. i guess i just wanted to find out what was up with the thinking and importance of the bug. | 04:43 |
| z_malloc | sounds like, the answer is "not enough maintainers"? | 04:44 |
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| z_malloc | ty and gn | 04:55 |
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| xerroz | is there some way i can install ubuntu on top of an already existing ubuntu? (looking to setup a system to debug) | 07:40 |
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| Hobbsee | xerroz: #ubuntu for support | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | please see the /topic | 07:42 |
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| xerroz | Hobbsee: wouldn't this question be more specific to the development of Ubuntu.. | 08:00 |
| Burgundavia | xerroz: not really | 08:02 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 09:13 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | pitti: do new binaries as a result of a split of a source package end up in the NEW queue? | 09:18 |
| pitti | LaserJock: yes, they do | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | do they need a MIR? | 09:18 |
| pitti | LaserJock: no, just a standard review | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | k | 09:19 |
| pitti | LaserJock: is tomorrow ok, or shall I do it right now? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | pitti: it's not uploaded yet | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I gotta ask dholbach about that ;-) | 09:19 |
| mdke | do they need a feature freeze exception? | 09:20 |
| pitti | LaserJock: ah, that makes it hard to review :) | 09:20 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: about what? | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I committed some changes the doc repo that splits up the ubuntu-docs package | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | we needed to split the server guide and packaging guide as standalone .debs | 09:21 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: yeah, that's fine with me | 09:21 |
| dholbach | dunno, what you need to know from me? | 09:21 |
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| LaserJock | I just wanted you to check over my changes (not so familiar with CDBS) | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | when you get a chance | 09:22 |
| dholbach | ok - can you send me a mail with that? | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ok | 09:23 |
| dholbach | gracias | 09:23 |
| === Treenaks slaps fglrx in the face... for some reason it keeps eating 100% CPU when scrolling gnome-terminals | ||
| Treenaks | (yes, really..) | 09:24 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: that also happens with the nv driver | 09:32 |
| pitti | Treenaks: for a week or so, terminals became unbearably sluggish with nv | 09:33 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I guess something in the backend has changed (such as using another graphics backend for text rendering) | 09:33 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I have the same problem with Xv windows, they generate slowness as well | 09:35 |
| Treenaks | pitti: opengl does not | 09:36 |
| pitti | right | 09:36 |
| pitti | Treenaks: I guess the nvidia driver is just fast enough to paper over the new slowness | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | maybe.. | 09:38 |
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| Treenaks | could it be Composite? I disabled that.. | 09:38 |
| Treenaks | (but also, gnome-terminal has changed its rendering a few weeks back, to fix an overlapping-characters bug) | 09:38 |
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| dholbach | pitti, Mithrandir: can you please reject the last new-stuff-manager upload from source NEW? I'll upload a new version right now... upstream/the maintainer decided to change a few things | 09:47 |
| pitti | dholbach: doing | 09:47 |
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| pitti | dholbach: new-stuff-manager? I'd be inclined to reject it because of that silly name already | 09:47 |
| dholbach | gracias | 09:48 |
| Treenaks | new-stuff-manager... is that the new name for bling-manager/desktop-effects? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | pitti: I'd suggest you let the maintainer know :) | 09:48 |
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| pitti | dholbach: who is it? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | XSBC-Maintainer: Sebastian Plsterl <marduk@k-d-w.org> | 09:49 |
| pitti | I'm serious, I regard this as totally impolite namespace clutter and sloppiness | 09:49 |
| Kagou | hi | 09:49 |
| pitti | hi Kagou | 09:49 |
| pitti | dholbach: ok, I let him know | 09:49 |
| dholbach | ok, thanks again | 09:49 |
| pitti | [done] | 09:51 |
| dholbach | mdke, Laser_away: the changed docs packaging is in the usual place? | 09:52 |
| === dholbach hugs pitti | ||
| === pitti hugs dholback | ||
| dholbach | *snigger* | 09:52 |
| dholbach | pitti is witty ... even early in the moning :) | 09:53 |
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| Treenaks | we call him 'witty pitti' | 09:53 |
| Treenaks | ("petit pitti"?) | 09:53 |
| mdke | dholbach: yes in trunk | 09:54 |
| dholbach | seems everybody gets an appropriate title these days :-) | 09:54 |
| pitti | :-P | 09:54 |
| dholbach | mdke: we should get rid of "/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/" in feisty+1 somehow | 09:57 |
| dholbach | (in ubuntu-docs) | 09:57 |
| mdke | yeah, the firefox homepage issue is so annoying | 09:57 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:57 |
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| dholbach | mdke: looks good to me - shall I upload it? | 10:12 |
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| seb128 | moning | 10:16 |
| seb128 | morning | 10:16 |
| dholbach | heya seb128! | 10:19 |
| seb128 | hey dholbach | 10:20 |
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| ajmitch | hi jono | 10:25 |
| jono | hey ajmitch | 10:26 |
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| dholbach | hey thekorn | 10:26 |
| dholbach | hey jono | 10:26 |
| jono | hi dholbach | 10:26 |
| thekorn | hey dholbach | 10:26 |
| Treenaks | pitti: it's a time thing | 10:28 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I just rebooted, and now everything is fast | 10:28 |
| carlos | pitti: I think your latest ifupdown update broke my network support in Feisty | 10:28 |
| Treenaks | pitti: but I know that if I keep running, it will happen again | 10:28 |
| pitti | Treenaks: hm, not for me | 10:34 |
| pitti | carlos: uh, how so? I just added a new network method... any details? | 10:35 |
| carlos | I just downgraded the package to check whether that's the cause | 10:35 |
| carlos | pitti: I'm using static ip address in that server | 10:35 |
| pitti | carlos: so do I for my secondary eth | 10:36 |
| carlos | and lo device is not up and eth1 is up but without ip address | 10:36 |
| carlos | doing it by hand works | 10:36 |
| pitti | by hand -> ifup -a? | 10:36 |
| carlos | ifup eth1 and ifup lo | 10:36 |
| carlos | hmm | 10:36 |
| carlos | but seems like that package is not the problem | 10:36 |
| carlos | with previous version I'm without network too | 10:37 |
| pitti | carlos: does /etc/init.d/networking stop/start works? | 10:37 |
| carlos | pitti: with that, I get a working eth1 card with the fixed ip address | 10:38 |
| carlos | but lo interface does not appear with ifconfig | 10:38 |
| carlos | pitti: it appears with loopback stop / start | 10:39 |
| pitti | carlos: can you put your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere? | 10:40 |
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| pitti | carlos: ah, indeed, /e/i/networking doesn't touch lo | 10:40 |
| carlos | is there any public paste bin service you use? | 10:40 |
| carlos | I only know about the internal one that we use for launchpad development | 10:40 |
| pitti | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ works fine | 10:41 |
| carlos | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7010/ | 10:41 |
| pitti | carlos: I'm just asking because network-admin had a bug until recently that screwed up the file | 10:41 |
| carlos | I don't see anything wrong there, but maybe I'm missing something | 10:42 |
| pitti | no, looks fine | 10:42 |
| pitti | carlos: and they reproducably do not come up at boot? | 10:42 |
| carlos | yeah, every boot has this same problem | 10:42 |
| pitti | carlos: ok, a second please | 10:43 |
| carlos | the only change I have done, that I'm not sure whether would be causing this is that I moved /var to a new partition | 10:43 |
| pitti | carlos: ah, that indeed sounds likely | 10:44 |
| carlos | but it has been at least a week since I restarted the computer so I cannot be sure whether it's a software problem or a migration problem | 10:44 |
| carlos | pitti: it's not the first time I do that | 10:44 |
| carlos | and I use rsync -avzH to preserve everything | 10:44 |
| carlos | but this time is the first time it would cause problems | 10:44 |
| pitti | carlos: you could try adding 'set -x; exec 2>/tmp/network.log' to /etc/init.d/networking | 10:44 |
| carlos | ok | 10:45 |
| pitti | carlos: /var is likely not mounted at the time when loopback is executed? | 10:45 |
| carlos | hmmm | 10:45 |
| carlos | maybe | 10:45 |
| carlos | good point | 10:45 |
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| carlos | so the problem would be just that the partition is not ready... | 10:45 |
| pitti | S08loopback vs. S35mountall | 10:45 |
| carlos | pitti: how does it work for new servers that you install with var in its own partition? | 10:46 |
| pitti | hm, I don't know | 10:46 |
| pitti | carlos: e. g. /var/run/network/ifstate looks kind of important | 10:47 |
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| carlos | pitti: ok, thanks for the clue, I will try to figure whats going wrong... | 10:55 |
| carlos | well, how to fix it as I know what's going wrong now :-P | 10:55 |
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| mjg59 | Mithrandir: I hear esr will be one soon | 11:23 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: are you going to send out a mail about universe ff or should I? | 11:24 |
| dholbach | am I the victim now? ;-) | 11:24 |
| Treenaks | *blame-shift* | 11:24 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: if you have a boilerplate freeze announce mail in front of you, you could do it -- if not, I can do it too --- in fact you just reminded me to announce the MOTU council meeting tomorrow :) | 11:26 |
| Mithrandir | Treenaks: you! Want to package the new blender upstream version? | 11:27 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: I think lfittl is working on that. | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | ok. | 11:28 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: I can mail him if you like | 11:28 |
| dholbach | at least he told me last week in vienna | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | lfittl@u.c? | 11:28 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: yes | 11:29 |
| Mithrandir | I'll mail him | 11:29 |
| dholbach | cool | 11:29 |
| carlos | pitti: It's fixed now. Ubuntu handles quite well that use case (having /var in its own partition), but you still need to have /var/run and /var/lock created in rootfs to get all magic working | 11:31 |
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| cjwatson | carlos: yeah, the installer takes care of that, but obviously if you move it yourself then you have to do it | 11:34 |
| carlos | right | 11:34 |
| carlos | it took me a while to figure it | 11:34 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: I'm looking to network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-vpnc from NEW, I did look at them yesterday and there was some debian/copyright small problems that should be fixed now | 11:41 |
| giskard | someone did a release of vpn plugins? | 11:42 |
| seb128 | the packages are from svn code apparently | 11:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: yeah, it was just the full text of the licences missing from the tarballs. | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: I didn't notice that | 11:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: if it's been fixed, then it's good. :-) | 11:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: there is the GPL to COPYING and the LGPL to subdir/COPYING | 11:44 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: then it's good | 11:45 |
| Lathiat | what package woudl i file incorrect driver detection on? | 11:46 |
| Lathiat | (Xorg driver, nvidia card detected as vesa not nv) | 11:46 |
| Mithrandir | discover-data | 11:47 |
| Treenaks | pitti: the terminal-slow-bug has to do with scrollback + lots of windows.. if I turn my scrollback back to 500 lines, it's fast(er) again | 11:51 |
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| shawarma | seb128: Rock'n'roll! :-) Thanks! | 11:52 |
| seb128 | shawarma: np ;) | 11:52 |
| pitti | Treenaks: hm, (1) but scrolling forward is slow, too and (2) I didn't change this setting, and it happens to many people | 11:53 |
| Lathiat | Mithrandir: hrm thanks | 11:53 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I changed it from 5000 to 500 | 11:53 |
| shawarma | seb128: Is it common for packages to that many different copyrights? | 11:54 |
| pitti | Treenaks: 500 is my default, too | 11:54 |
| Treenaks | pitti: how many terminals (they're all one process..) | 11:54 |
| seb128 | shawarma: not sure on how common but that's not the only one for sure ;) | 11:54 |
| Treenaks | pitti: I have 6 atm | 11:54 |
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| pitti | Treenaks: 5 | 11:54 |
| shawarma | seb128: Ok. | 11:54 |
| doko | pitti: is it reasonable to extract the first parameter of the python command line and figure out a package for that for an apport report? | 11:55 |
| pitti | doko: that sounds similar to what mono does | 11:56 |
| pitti | doko: and in fact I thought that apport should already do this; it doesn't? | 11:56 |
| doko | pitti: when did you introduce this? look at the duplicates in the listen package | 11:56 |
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| pitti | doko: ages ago, but of course there might be corner cases | 11:57 |
| dholbach_ | kwwii: good looking - uploaded | 11:57 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: I've accepted the newest upload of network-manager-vpnc, there is still 2 old versions in the NEW queue, should I just q reject them? | 11:57 |
| kwwii | dholbach_: great, thanks! | 11:58 |
| pitti | doko: ah, bug 86744? | 11:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86744 in listen "[apport] python2.5 crashed with SIGSEGV while running Listen 0.5-0ubuntu2" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86744 | 11:58 |
| Lathiat | and what package handles the logout screen? (the livecd when you hit restart just logs out and goes back to the gdm login screen) | 12:00 |
| pitti | doko: ah, it's because it calls python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | is that a gnome-session or gdm thing? | 12:00 |
| pitti | doko: apport currently only looks at the second argument, not the third | 12:00 |
| doko | pitti: hmm, ok, discard the options =) | 12:00 |
| pitti | doko: sounds reasonable; can you please file a bug? | 12:01 |
| pitti | doko: actually, don't bother | 12:03 |
| Chipzz | pitti: please take a look at bug 66908, should be an easy fix | 12:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66908 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "nvidia-glx-config does not work any more" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66908 | 12:03 |
| pitti | doko: I just added this case to the test suite, so it fails now | 12:03 |
| tepsipakki | does anyone know why we put wacom-devices in every xorg.conf? | 12:03 |
| pitti | doko: this is enough for a reminder | 12:03 |
| Chipzz | it's a regression from from something you fixed earlier ;) | 12:03 |
| Adri2000 | seb128: packages in NEW that are rejected now (ie. after the universe FF), will it be possible to reupload them? | 12:04 |
| Chipzz | tepsipakki: more importantly, does anyone know why we put *3* wacom devices in xorg.conf? :) | 12:04 |
| pitti | Chipzz: urgh, ok | 12:04 |
| tepsipakki | Chipzz: right | 12:04 |
| pitti | Chipzz: erm, -17? edgy? | 12:04 |
| pitti | Chipzz: how come that I broke that? | 12:04 |
| Chipzz | pitti: edgy-security | 12:04 |
| doko | pitti: bug 87005 | 12:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87005 in apport "discard options when looking for the first paramter" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87005 | 12:04 |
| Chipzz | -17.7 iirc | 12:04 |
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| seb128 | Adri2000: it's always possible to upload, dunno if they will be accepted, ask Mithrandir | 12:05 |
| Adri2000 | Mithrandir: packages in NEW that are rejected now (ie. after the universe FF), will it be possible to reupload them (and get them accepted)? | 12:05 |
| Chipzz | pitti: probably something that only got commited on one branch or something? | 12:05 |
| pitti | Chipzz: I didn't commit it to a VCS, just uploaded it normally | 12:06 |
| pitti | Chipzz: thanks for the pointer | 12:06 |
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| Chipzz | pitti: btw, I'm not saying you broke it, may be something someone else inadvertently broke ;) | 12:07 |
| pitti | Chipzz: right | 12:08 |
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| iwj | Does apt modify /var/lib/dpkg/available ? | 12:15 |
| cjwatson | no | 12:16 |
| cjwatson | the only way to get that updated if you're using apt (to my knowledge) is 'dselect update' | 12:16 |
| iwj | I thought so. Someone has a weird corruption in it which looks like a localised corruption. | 12:17 |
| iwj | Err, localised memory corruption in dpkg or dselect, I mean. | 12:17 |
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| tepsipakki | which one is ok: 1) change everyones font-paths in xorg.conf to /usr/share/fonts/X11 or 2) add /usr/share/fonts/X11/* | 12:20 |
| dholbach | somebody please moderated my post to ubuntu-devel-announce | 12:20 |
| Chipzz | seb128: is it normal for changes in /etc/mailcap not to show up immediately in <some file> -> properties -> Open With ? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: yep, GNOME doesn't use /etc/mailcap | 12:26 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: definitively symlinking | 12:26 |
| seb128 | it's used the freedesktop database | 12:26 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: sed'ing xorg.conf in some postinst just cries for trouble | 12:26 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: shipping a symlink and making sure that new installs use the new paths are the right solution IMHO | 12:27 |
| Chipzz | seb128: I'm not sure but I think it does; I installed acroread recently (clean edgy install), and acroread doesn't install a desktop file. Acroread didn't appear in that list until a reboot though... | 12:27 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: ok :) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: if it's listed then it does install a .desktop | 12:27 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: but I guess it's ok that new confs have new paths | 12:28 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: yes, of course | 12:28 |
| cjwatson | dholbach: done | 12:29 |
| dholbach | cjwatson: thanks | 12:29 |
| Chipzz | seb128: hrrrm you're right actually, it does install a .desktop file. makes me wonder why I had to log out for it to show up though, it should show up immediately | 12:29 |
| seb128 | Chipzz: you have to refresh the view of the folder | 12:30 |
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| seb128 | Riddell: koffice-i18n-fa_1.6.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb koffice-i18n-ga_1.6.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb koffice-i18n-km_1.6.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb NEW binaries are empty, is that normal? | 12:34 |
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| Riddell | seb128: yes, they're just translations so they all get sucked out into rosetta | 12:45 |
| seb128 | Riddell: ok, thank you, and binaries are for universe then, right? | 12:46 |
| Riddell | seb128: no, main | 12:47 |
| seb128 | hum | 12:47 |
| Riddell | seb128: actually | 12:47 |
| seb128 | why are all the other packages to universe then? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | others are in universe | 12:47 |
| Riddell | seb128: yeah, universe it is | 12:47 |
| seb128 | ok, I'll accept them to universe | 12:47 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:47 |
| seb128 | accepted | 12:47 |
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| seb128 | np | 12:47 |
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| hunger | Is it known that gnome-applets-data conflicts over some filenames with wesnoth-data? | 01:10 |
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| hunger | In fact gnome-applets-data conflicts with lots of packages over stuff in /usr/share/locale/*. | 01:13 |
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| pitti | doko: I'll do Till's cups upload and check it into the svn | 01:20 |
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| doko | pitti: thanks | 01:21 |
| seb128 | hunger: locale? like translations? | 01:23 |
| hunger | seb128: It conflicts over /usr/share/locale/sl with wesnoth-data and lots of other dirs with other packages. | 01:24 |
| Chipzz | mvo_: ping? | 01:24 |
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| seb128 | hunger: that's a directory, there is no conflict over directory | 01:26 |
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| hunger | seb128: wesnoth-ei, iso-codes, coreutils, a2ps, console-common, gphoto2, apt, wesnoth-*, digikamimageplugins, kdiff3 trow, | 01:27 |
| seb128 | hunger: packages can installed files to the same directory | 01:27 |
| seb128 | there is no file conflict there | 01:27 |
| hunger | seb128: I get this message: " trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/sl', which is also in package wesnoth-httt" | 01:27 |
| seb128 | hunger: something is screwed to your bug then | 01:27 |
| seb128 | hunger: /usr/share/locale/sl should be a directory | 01:28 |
| hunger | seb128: It is. | 01:28 |
| seb128 | what package do you try to install? | 01:28 |
| hunger | seb128: I did dpkg -i --force-overwrite /v/c/a/a/gnome-applets-data[tab] . | 01:29 |
| hunger | seb128: aptitude only reported the first such attempt to overwrite the directory. The rest only showed up with force-override. | 01:30 |
| seb128 | force-override is usually not a good idea | 01:30 |
| hunger | seb128: I know... but it is only locales which I will never use, so I dared do it here. | 01:30 |
| seb128 | that's not locales | 01:31 |
| seb128 | that's a directory | 01:31 |
| seb128 | that error is really weird | 01:32 |
| hunger | seb128: Yeap, but I hope it holds locales;-) | 01:32 |
| seb128 | maybe some package try shipping a /usr/share/locale/sl file | 01:32 |
| seb128 | well, you should not have a conflict over a directory | 01:32 |
| seb128 | packages are allowed to use the same directory | 01:33 |
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| seb128 | that error doesn't make much sense, it's really weird | 01:33 |
| hunger | seb128: dpkg -S /usr/share/locale/sl lists only this: gnome-applets-data: /usr/share/locale/sl | 01:33 |
| seb128 | $ dpkg -S /usr/share/locale/sl | 01:34 |
| seb128 | libwnck-common, devhelp-common, libgnomeprintui2.2-common, tracker, bug-buddy, gnome-session, libgnomeprint2.2-data, libgnomescan-common, gnome-applets-data, libgnomeui-common, iso-codes, vino, gnome-desktop-data, gnome-panel-data, libgnomevfs2-common, nautilus-data, totem-gstreamer, gedit-plugins, libgtksourceview-common, epiphany-browser, gaim-data, fast-user-switch-applet, alacarte, libgnome2-common, libpq4, coreutils, evolution-data-server | 01:34 |
| seb128 | -common, gconf-editor, capplets-data, libglib2.0-data, apt, gnome-media-common, amule-common, gnome-nettool: /usr/share/locale/sl | 01:34 |
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| hunger | seb128: I did a force-overwrite. | 01:34 |
| seb128 | hunger: you said that already, we loop | 01:34 |
| hunger | seb128: So I am not surprised that nothing else is there anymore. | 01:34 |
| seb128 | what is the question exactly? ;) | 01:34 |
| seb128 | that's not a gnome-applets bug for sure | 01:34 |
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| seb128 | something is screwed on your box | 01:34 |
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| _ion | hunger: For each package that was listed as conflicting (and why not also gnome-applets-data as well), try dpkg-deb --contents /path/to/its/deb | grep /usr/share/locale/sl | 01:38 |
| _ion | hunger: Does any of the lines have '-' instead of 'd' as the first char? | 01:38 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, biff | 01:38 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: new cups? thanks for preparing it, will handle it today | 01:38 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: a big sorry for forgetting to revert that recommends patch | 01:39 |
| hunger | seb128: Seems you are right. I just reinstalled kdiff3 and that went well (it conflited over /u/s/l/ta before). | 01:39 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have done the important point of undoing Mike's change of filtering the " (recommneded)" out. | 01:39 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have also packaged a new foomatic-filters, see the other e-mail. It fixes the ugly bug 85569 which requires users to do a hard reset in certain cases. | 01:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 85569 in foomatic-filters "foomatic-rip using 100% CPU" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85569 | 01:40 |
| pitti | great! | 01:41 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, can you approve UVF ER, where you are in the archive team now? | 01:41 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: no, that's the release manager's job (Tollef) | 01:42 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: archive team just means doing the grunt work, it doesn't have any decision power | 01:42 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, is it enough to send the mail which I have sent to you to Tollef, or is a special proceeding required now for the UVF ER? | 01:43 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: sending to Tollef is enough | 01:44 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: this looks perfectly reasonable, so I don't expect any problems | 01:45 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: we were to poke at moving powerpc out of cdimage | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: do you have a few minutes so that we can get this one before the meeting? | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | s/one/done/ | 01:47 |
| tkamppeter | Mithrandir, biff | 01:48 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, have sent it now. | 01:48 |
| pitti | Riddell: could you please take a quick look at bug 86879 on i386? it's a gdb crash triggered by a kdeinit crash, and I wondered whether just attaching gdb to the running kdeinit and reading symbols already triggers the crash again | 01:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86879 in gdb "[apport] gdb crashed with SIGSEGV in symbol_demangled_name()" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86879 | 01:49 |
| StevenK | Neat, the debugger SEGVs. | 01:50 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: sure, now's a good time. | 01:52 |
| Riddell | pitti: attaching to my kdeinit doesn't cause any problems | 01:52 |
| pitti | Riddell: alright, thank you | 01:53 |
| pitti | Riddell: bt works, too? | 01:53 |
| Riddell | pitti: yes | 01:54 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: got a cdimage checkout handy? | 01:54 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: we're not just going to do it on lithium? | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: unfortunately it's kind of awkward since there's that private deployment branch | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: we should make the relevant changes to the public branch first, IMO ... | 01:55 |
| Riddell | although it does freeze starting anything new in KDE :) | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | but sure, see the checkout on lithium | 01:55 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: so, there are the following things to change: etc/config (default architecture selection; should be changed only for feisty and onwards); etc/anonftpsync* (mirroring, to move powerpc to cdimage/ftp-ports); bin/find-mirror (to take powerpc packages from the ports mirror); and bin/cron.* as appropriate | 01:57 |
| Riddell | mvo, glatzor: have you looked at having software-properties let people set the apt proxy? | 01:57 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: in bin/find-mirror, it needs to be changed only for feisty and onwards | 01:58 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: (I'm making the changes already, FWIW, just talking you through them - is that ok? I still need to set things up so that you can push to all the branches in question) | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: yes, that's fine. | 01:59 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I generally prefer to write things like "only for feisty and onwards" as "case $DIST in warty|hoary|breezy|dapper|edgy) ... ;; *) ... ;; esac" | 01:59 |
| Mithrandir | yup, that's fine. | 02:00 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: just to ensure that we can still build older dists if we have to | 02:00 |
| cjwatson | not that I imagine we'll care about warty again | 02:00 |
| cjwatson | but it's a useful historical record if nothing else | 02:00 |
| cjwatson | should probably be in a configuration file, but there | 02:00 |
| Mithrandir | it's hard to express trees in a single shellscript config file. | 02:01 |
| glatzor | Riddell: mvo: synaptic already does this. but the proxy configuration is currently quite a mess. you can set the proxy per user in the GNOME prefs, in synapitc, environment variable ... | 02:01 |
| Riddell | glatzor: so synaptic will use the proxy set in gnome? | 02:02 |
| Riddell | how does it tell apt to do that? | 02:02 |
| cjwatson | hmm, build-image-set anonftpsync config selection will be fiddly | 02:02 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I'm basically grepping for other architecture names here, chiefly i386 and ia64 as good examples | 02:03 |
| glatzor | Riddell: mvo: yes. sudo preservers the HTTP environment variable of the user | 02:03 |
| glatzor | Riddell: but mvo can tell you more about this. issue. I am out running. see you | 02:04 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: initial commit pushed to public branch (http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/); have a look? | 02:05 |
| pitti | mvo: I just pushed some update-notifier changes FYI | 02:05 |
| hunger | seb128: Looks like something was hosed on my system. I reinstalled everything that conflicted with gnome-applet-data and everything installed just fine. | 02:06 |
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| mvo | pitti: thanks, looking | 02:06 |
| hunger | seb128: Sorry for the fuss. | 02:06 |
| seb128 | np | 02:06 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: oh, hmm. It's not been moved on ports.ubuntu.com yet has it? | 02:06 |
| pitti | mvo: no, just to remind you to bzr pull before committing | 02:06 |
| mvo | Riddell: it will use (via gksu) the gnome proxy configuration | 02:07 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: so that commit is wrong | 02:07 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: in the private branch, only the buildlive script needs to be changed; I assume you don't want to trigger powerpc from here on in? | 02:07 |
| mvo | pitti: icon+grammer? | 02:07 |
| pitti | mvo: right | 02:08 |
| cjwatson | though maybe the ports_daily-live build should | 02:08 |
| Riddell | mvo: so gnome exports an environment variable and that gets picked up by apt? | 02:08 |
| mvo | Riddell: yes (gksu) | 02:08 |
| Riddell | mvo: which variable? what does gksu have to do with it? | 02:08 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: nope, it hasn't. That's non-trivial with LP, AIUI. Or it might just require the rsync comconfig to be changed. | 02:08 |
| cjwatson | it's not LP, it's the rsync configuration, and it's hard because rsync can't be release-specific | 02:09 |
| Mithrandir | ah, point. | 02:09 |
| cjwatson | it needs to become debmirror or similar, which is harder on resources | 02:09 |
| mvo | Riddell: http_proxy | 02:09 |
| cjwatson | plus the installer would need to be told | 02:09 |
| Mithrandir | it'd just need to be debmirror on the first level? | 02:09 |
| cjwatson | true | 02:10 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I'm wondering if we should make buildlive trigger all ports arches; I took it out because ia64 was too slow, iirc. | 02:10 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: what I'm doing now is adding separate buildlive invocations in the ports lines in crontab | 02:12 |
| cjwatson | with ARCHES='ia64 powerpc' | 02:12 |
| cjwatson | elmo: btw, I don't know if you have any plans regarding moving powerpc to ports somehow, but I just thought I'd make sure that you know it needs to happen far enough before a release that the installer can be updated | 02:14 |
| elmo | cjwatson: meh | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: makes sense. | 02:15 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I think that's all safely done and deployed on lithium now, if you want to check that | 02:15 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: looks sane to me. | 02:18 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: your activity report says you're blocked on archive.u.c not being reachable from machines in the DC; have you tried 'export http_proxy=http://squid.internal:3128/'? | 02:25 |
| pitti | cjwatson: no, I didn't try; it wasn't necessary so far | 02:25 |
| cjwatson | but you're blocked on it? | 02:25 |
| pitti | more or less, yes | 02:25 |
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| pitti | doesn't seem to help either | 02:26 |
| cjwatson | not sure how it can be not necessary *and* a blocker :-) | 02:26 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I RTed it yesterday | 02:26 |
| cjwatson | ok | 02:26 |
| pitti | cjwatson: oh | 02:26 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: necessary> playing env tricks with the proxy, not network access | 02:26 |
| pitti | cjwatson: well, it's not a hard block, I could write some python-apt script to emulate apt-get source and use security.u.c | 02:27 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: nice, the http_proxy trick works | 02:28 |
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks | 02:28 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: btw, if you are at hacking cd-image anyway, could you please do a grep -r for 'user.d'? Does it contain any commands to clean /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d for the live system? (I mailed Adam, but no reply yet) | 02:38 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: that's not cdimage, that's livecd.sh. | 02:39 |
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| pitti | ah, I see | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not sure where that's stored atm. | 02:39 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ok, nevermind; thanks | 02:40 |
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| ubuntu_ | Hello, I have a problem regarding the console fonts. I would like this problem to be fixed in the next Ubuntu release. Is this the right place? | 02:40 |
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| Mithrandir | ubuntu_: no, use the bug tracker for reporting bugs. | 02:40 |
| ubuntu_ | Mithrandir: I have reported the problem as a bug but I wanted to see whether I can get someone to help get it fixed. | 02:41 |
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| ubuntu_ | Anyone? | 02:45 |
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| cjwatson | ubuntu_: what's the bug number? | 02:46 |
| cjwatson | pitti: yes, it does 'rm -f ${ROOT}var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/*' | 02:46 |
| ubuntu_ | The bug number is 87031. Thank you for your attention. | 02:46 |
| pitti | cjwatson: uh, can we stop that and instead fix the packages that leave unwanted notifications on virgin installs? | 02:47 |
| cjwatson | I'm not promising to fix it, as this isn't a bug escalation channel; I'm just curious | 02:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: now that's an appropriate thing to mail Adam about ... :) | 02:47 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: It's nevertheless better than not getting any help at all. | 02:47 |
| pitti | cjwatson: alright, thanks for looking; at least I can stop breaking my head about that postinst :) | 02:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: pkgsel marks any pending notifications as seen rather than removing them | 02:47 |
| cjwatson | pitti: (pkgsel/debian/postinst) | 02:47 |
| cjwatson | unfortunately I didn't note why I did that - it was a change in breezy | 02:48 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu_: running edgy or feisty? | 02:49 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: running edgy eft (6.10 | 02:49 |
| ubuntu_ | ) | 02:49 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu_: ok, that's fixed in feisty by doing it in the initramfs before usplash starts | 02:49 |
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| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: Thank you very much. Are you really really sure that it is fixed for good? | 02:50 |
| cjwatson | pretty certain, yes - I made the change in question | 02:50 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: Thanks again. I am looking forward to the release of 7.04. | 02:51 |
| cjwatson | testing is of course welcome, but it works for me whereas previously it didn't :-) | 02:51 |
| ogra | cjwatson, btw, poke, poke .... any news on cipher=none ? | 02:51 |
| cjwatson | ogra: no, sorry | 02:51 |
| pitti | hi ogra | 02:51 |
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| cjwatson | ubuntu_: we were a bit over-optimistic in edgy about what the kernel would let us do while usplash (or even X) was running | 02:52 |
| ogra | cjwatson, is there a chance we will see it in feisty ? it's one of the blocking factors for ltsp upstream to drop support for the old release | 02:52 |
| cjwatson | the new approach is much simpler and much more liable to work | 02:52 |
| ogra | hey pitti | 02:52 |
| cjwatson | ogra: urgh, I really can't promise itt | 02:52 |
| cjwatson | it | 02:52 |
| ogra | ok | 02:52 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: I guess I should download and check whether it works or not before 7.04 gets released. | 02:53 |
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| ogra | hey mpytasz | 02:55 |
| ogra | :) | 02:56 |
| mpytasz | ping mjg59 | 02:56 |
| mjg59 | Hi | 02:57 |
| mpytasz | Hi, I was adviced to contact You, I have problems with wacom on Siemens tables (Lifebook T series) | 02:57 |
| ogra | mjg59, i pointed mpytasz to you, he as one of these nifty touchscreen lappies ... | 02:57 |
| mjg59 | Install wacom-tools | 02:58 |
| mjg59 | Reboot | 02:58 |
| mjg59 | File bug if it doesn't work | 02:58 |
| mpytasz | ok, wait, it's not that simple :) | 02:58 |
| ogra | heh | 02:58 |
| ogra | mjg59, he's running gentoo, and ubuntu apparently doesnt boot on the builtin SATA CDrom ... :) | 02:58 |
| mpytasz | I am not using ubuntu, I'm using gentoo, I have everything I shouyld need (linuxwacom) and xorg configured properly, (ogra verified it) | 02:59 |
| ogra | mpytasz, so grab the souce of wacom-tools :) | 02:59 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, I don't support gentoo | 02:59 |
| mjg59 | I have no idea what's in their kernel | 02:59 |
| mpytasz | I tried wacdump and I get it working there however I am gettin bit errors | 02:59 |
| ogra | mjg59, well, you just pointed in the right direction ... | 02:59 |
| mpytasz | ok, thanks anyway, I'll go to gentoo irc, however I already tried it there | 03:00 |
| ogra | mpytasz, just check the wacom-tools source and make sure the set of modules we use in ubuntu is matching your gentoo kernel and it should work ... | 03:00 |
| mpytasz | ok, thanks | 03:01 |
| ogra | and next time we meet we'll get your damned CDrom running so you dont have excuses to not run ubuntu ... | 03:01 |
| ogra | :) | 03:02 |
| mpytasz | ogra, ok, Iif I won't make gentoo work with it 'll remind you ;) | 03:03 |
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| pitti | kwwii: uh, wobbly splash-down :) | 03:32 |
| kwwii | pitti: hehe...is that good or bad? | 03:34 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 03:34 |
| pitti | kwwii: looks pretty cool | 03:34 |
| kwwii | good to hear :-) | 03:34 |
| kwwii | the logo on gdm and the splash will still change though :-) | 03:34 |
| kwwii | but we are getting closer and closer | 03:35 |
| h4writer | kwwii, do you have a screeny of it? | 03:36 |
| kwwii | h4writer: the splash is the only thing I do not know how to make a screen off ;-( | 03:37 |
| h4writer | (vmware:p), but is it already in the repos (than I can down it) | 03:38 |
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| kwwii | for some reason ubuntu won't install on my x60s...after it boots it no longer finds the cdrom in the docking station | 03:38 |
| kwwii | in vmware, that is | 03:39 |
| kwwii | so I gave up pretty quick :-) | 03:39 |
| tepsipakki | kwwii: what a coincidence, I just installed X60s with feisty | 03:39 |
| tepsipakki | but not using vmware | 03:39 |
| tepsipakki | and after undocking the cdrom is lost | 03:40 |
| kwwii | good thing I didn't try that then :p | 03:41 |
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| oxygen | hi | 03:48 |
| oxygen | i cant join #ubuntu | 03:49 |
| elkbuntu | oxygen, please see #ubuntu-ops | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:01 |
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| tepsipakki | to finish the xorg-7.2 merge there are xorg-server and xorg left to do.. | 04:30 |
| tepsipakki | and they need reviewing | 04:30 |
| seb128 | people who want to help to review them are welcome ;) | 04:31 |
| tepsipakki | you can find the current versions here, along with debdiff's against the latest version in Debian: http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/xorg72/new | 04:31 |
| tepsipakki | hopefully the changelogs are verbose enough :) | 04:32 |
| tepsipakki | you can give comments either here, or on #ubuntu-x | 04:32 |
| tepsipakki | I'm off now for a couple of hours, but will read the backlog later | 04:33 |
| bddebian | Are we actually going to bring them into Feisty? | 04:34 |
| tepsipakki | most of it is already in | 04:36 |
| tepsipakki | -> | 04:36 |
| seb128 | bddebian: why doing the work if that's not the use it? ;) | 04:37 |
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| bddebian | I ask myself that often for Universe? ;-P | 04:37 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: Are you there? | 04:40 |
| pitti | BenC: uh, I just discovered and filed bug 87065; I already went crazy searching the bug in apport... | 04:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87065 in linux-source-2.6.20 "does not set CORE_REAL_RLIM correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87065 | 04:45 |
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| FlyOnTheWall | crimsun, you about? | 04:46 |
| BenC | pitti: ok | 04:48 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu_: yes | 04:50 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, the foomatic-filters package is accepted by Tollef, so foomatic-filters and cupsys can get uploaded now (tried to tell it earlier but my internet connection failed that time) | 04:54 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: yup, saw it | 04:54 |
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| crimsun | FlyOnTheWall: I'm in lecture for ~8 additional hours. | 04:55 |
| FlyOnTheWall | ok | 04:55 |
| FlyOnTheWall | I'll return later on then, perhaps | 04:56 |
| FlyOnTheWall | enjoy your lectures | 04:56 |
| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: I have just installed Feisty Herd 4 and can confirm that the same problem exists... :( | 04:57 |
| cjwatson | ubuntu_: bah. could you reopen that bug and attach /etc/default/console-setup and your initrd (either /initrd.img or /boot/initrd.img should be a symlink pointing to it), please? | 04:58 |
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| ubuntu_ | cjwatson: Okay, I will do that as soon as I go home. | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | thanks - it's probably an entirely *different* bug now, of course | 05:04 |
| givre | cjwatson: while in the same context, could you also look at bug 86606 thanks | 05:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86606 in usplash "[feisty] Screen corruption when usplash is enable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86606 | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | givre: totally different context, and I'm in a meeting right now | 05:07 |
| cjwatson | givre: I see the same thing, but I don't even know where to start with debugging it | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | hmm, interesting that adding setupcon fixes it - that's just plain weird | 05:08 |
| cjwatson | ok, I'll have a look based on that later | 05:09 |
| givre | cjwatson: thanks :) | 05:09 |
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| heno | Riddell: updated kubuntu winfoss: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/feisty/kubuntu/current/ | 05:36 |
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| bluefoxicy | wow | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | I filed a duplicate bug o.o | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | the automatic bug search showed me like 10 bugs in the package, but none of them were what my bug was; once I filed it, it showed me a list of open bugs on the package, and the only other open one was the one I filed @_@ | 05:46 |
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| Mithrandir | mdz: so, I'm thinking ubuntu-release as a contact point; anybody can subscribe, some bits which are important to the release are mailed there automatically, but it's not for general discussion. | 05:59 |
| heno | Mithrandir: what kind of things will be posted, announcements of rebuilds? | 06:00 |
| heno | or more about status of targeted bugs? | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | heno: no, it's not an announce list. List of targetted bugs, for instance, yes. | 06:01 |
| heno | ok | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | probably the daily mail from Colin about CD image problems. | 06:01 |
| heno | Is there a canonical place for finding out that Beta images are ready and testable? | 06:02 |
| heno | other than IRC? | 06:02 |
| heno | does it go to devel-announce? | 06:02 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I think that once it's open for subscription, it's hard to prevent it becoming a discusison list | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | lp/ubuntu-iso-tests ? | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: nah, that's just moderating everybody except some people on a whitelist. | 06:03 |
| mdz | heno: it ought to go to -devel-announce | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: do you really think so? There will likely be at least one rebuild a day of most of the variants.. | 06:03 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: reply-to is probably as effective and lower overhead | 06:03 |
| heno | Mithrandir: but who wants to check that unless they are subscribed to a test | 06:04 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I think perhaps we need a review of all the types of communication we do and where they go | 06:04 |
| mdz | to me, -devel-announce is sort of "development-related announcements, often interesting even to non-developers" | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: quite possibly; that'd be nice to do with a big, clean wall and some crayons or pens. | 06:04 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: or a wiki :-) | 06:04 |
| heno | I still think a testing-announce list would cover the middle ground here | 06:04 |
| heno | so that d-a can stay really low traffic | 06:05 |
| heno | but people can get enough pings about test status | 06:05 |
| Mithrandir | now, if LP grew RSS feeds for bug lists, it'd be trivial to get those notifications out, and people could get them on IRC, by email or whatever. | 06:05 |
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| seb128 | asac: for bug #86265, you used the "Target To Release" option? I usually use the milestone rather for bugs that need to be fixed for feisty | 06:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86265 in firefox "[apport] firefox crash [@totemScriptablePlugin::~totemScriptablePlugin] " [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265 | 06:31 |
| seb128 | what other people are doing? | 06:32 |
| seb128 | having both that "Target To Release" and milestone is confusing | 06:32 |
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| asac | seb128: ok ... sorry for confusion | 06:36 |
| seb128 | no need to be sorry, I'm not sure to be right | 06:36 |
| seb128 | I used it as a pretext to ask on the chan ;) | 06:36 |
| seb128 | and to point that you can use the milestone | 06:36 |
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| asac | one more reason for a quick fix :) ... this will then disappear from your rader -> no more confusion :) | 06:37 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: got a bug about the new gdm stuff - just pushed a fix | 06:38 |
| dholbach | kwwii: gracias - will upload it later on | 06:38 |
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| mdz | asac,seb128: yes, it's confusing, and we need to use the tools consistently. the trouble is they've been changing... | 06:55 |
| seb128 | mdz: is milestone the right one to use? | 06:55 |
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| pitti | I think milestone is right for development release and 'target to release' for stables | 06:56 |
| mdz | seb128: I don't think it ever makes sense to use 'target for release' for the development release | 06:56 |
| pitti | it should not be possible to create a feisty task ATM | 06:56 |
| mdz | I asked for that to be impossible in LP | 06:56 |
| pitti | heh, snap :) | 06:56 |
| seb128 | ok, what I though | 06:56 |
| mdz | seb128,pitti: please have heno communicate about this to LP | 06:56 |
| seb128 | I use the "target to release" for SRU basically | 06:56 |
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| seb128 | mdz: ok | 06:57 |
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| igor | hi all ;-0 | 07:24 |
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| tepsipakki | whoa, I'm swamped with feedback on the remaining xorg-packages :) | 07:39 |
| tepsipakki | ..not | 07:39 |
| pitti | tepsipakki: ? | 07:39 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: nevermind.. I asked if someone had time to review xorg-server and xorg, which are the last bits of the R7.2 update remaining | 07:40 |
| tepsipakki | and the most difficult ones | 07:40 |
| tepsipakki | maybe we'll sort them out tomorrow | 07:41 |
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| pitti | good night everyone! | 08:16 |
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