[01:57] <yonkeltron> so...i've been thinking of getting the thinkpad t60, are things supported well enough?
[01:57] <yonkeltron> i understand many devs and the SABDFL have thinkpads....
[01:57] <yonkeltron> so i'm guessing it's all good
[01:59] <yonkeltron> just wanted to check with the experts...
[02:19] <thmo> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_6.04_Flight_5_on_a_ThinkPad_T60
[02:19] <thmo> with a older version
[02:19] <thmo> probably fixed some of the issues
[02:20] <thmo> http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T60
[02:20] <thmo> the newest one :)
[02:21] <Garre1> Would anyone here like to know how to enable two fingered scrolling?
[02:24] <yonkeltron> ah
[02:24] <yonkeltron> Garre1: sure
[02:25] <Garre1> I have a lot to tell ya then
[02:25] <Garre1> Do you have a synaptic touchpad?
[02:25] <yonkeltron> yes
[02:26] <yonkeltron> thmo: apropos, i'm wondering if i should wait for the next t>60 in the T series to be released....
[02:26] <thmo> no idea :)
[02:26] <thmo> i just googled it :P
[02:27] <Garre1> DO you use gsynaptic?
[02:27] <yonkeltron> Garre1: kubuntu actually
[02:27] <Garre1> ohh
[02:27] <yonkeltron> thmo: thanks.., :-)
[02:28] <thmo> Garre1: from what i can read on posts in the forum, people are having quite a few problems with synaptic and trackbacking
[02:28] <thmo> for some it works, and others it dosen't
[02:28] <yonkeltron> trackbacking?
[02:28] <Garre1> thmo what do you mean by trackbacking?
[02:31] <yonkeltron> Garre1: but my synaptic tp has a scroll bar on the side...works fine
[02:32] <Garre1> Well this is just if you want to use two fingered scrolling like the macs do I know how to
[02:32] <thmo> a fancier word for two finger scrolling
[02:32] <Garre1> Ahhh
[02:32] <yonkeltron> ok....cool
[02:32] <Garre1> Well mine seems to work just fine
[02:32] <yonkeltron> Garre1: i'd like to see the mechanism although i'm cool with my sidescrollbar
[02:33] <Garre1> As far as I know I'm the only one who's done it on a regular pc
[02:33] <thmo> should have been s/trackbacking/trackpadding/
[02:33] <Garre1> Well I just installed gsynaptic and made it start up automatically at startup
[02:33] <yonkeltron> makes much more sense
[02:33] <thmo> mac named the touchpad trackpad
[02:33] <thmo> yeah ;)
[02:33] <yonkeltron> Garre1: would ksynaptic work?
[02:33] <thmo> it's late and stuff
[02:34] <Garre1> and then I edited a scrpt in xorg
[02:34] <Garre1> I would think so
[02:34] <Garre1> just a sec
[02:35] <Garre1> Are you good with editing xorg?
[02:35] <yonkeltron> as good as emacs is...
[02:36] <yonkeltron> Garre1: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ss.html
[02:36] <Garre1> Well mine works very well I use it day to day
[02:36] <Garre1> So you have done this?
[02:37] <Garre1> Haha I did it the hard way with gsynaptics instead of that?
[02:38] <yonkeltron> Garre1: haven't messed with it...a bit afraid to break a working thing...but i think i'll install it
[02:38] <yonkeltron> Garre1: there are some very good KDE tools....
[02:39] <Garre1> I know I was thinking about switching
[02:39] <Garre1> How do you like it?
[02:39] <yonkeltron> Garre1: kde?
[02:43] <Garre1> I was thinking about going with KDE, yes
[02:44] <Garre1> I'm in GNOME now and I think it's ok but I want more customization
[02:49] <Garre1> yonkeltron, is it better for customization?
[02:52] <yonkeltron> yes
[02:52] <yonkeltron> by far
[02:52] <Garre1> Can and it has better programs right?
[02:53] <Garre1> I love Katapult
[02:53] <yonkeltron> i also think that KDE is a superior interface with a better general design and superior characteristics
[02:53] <yonkeltron> hehe
[02:53] <yonkeltron> it's not everything
[02:53] <yonkeltron> but it's nice
[02:53] <yonkeltron> it's nice
[02:53] <yonkeltron> furthermore, KDE 4 will be amazing
[02:54] <yonkeltron> um
[02:54] <Garre1> So you use Kubuntu?
[02:54] <yonkeltron> yes
[02:54] <yonkeltron> so does the SABDFL
[02:56] <Garre1> Does it have as much support as Ubuntu?
[02:56] <yonkeltron> Garre1: different.
[02:56] <yonkeltron> Garre1: don't forget that for, at least, the first release was put together by one person
[02:57] <yonkeltron> Garre1: johnathan riddell was able to, on his own, put together something that at worst equaled and at best exceeding the efforts of a full team of paid gnome developers
[02:57] <yonkeltron> KDE is much easier to hack on and, imho, is of greater technical merit
[02:58] <yonkeltron> that being said, it, like any other piece of software, does have it's issues
[02:58] <yonkeltron> s/it's/its
[02:58] <yonkeltron> or
[02:58] <yonkeltron> rather
[02:59] <yonkeltron> anyway, i find KDE to be a little bit nicer to my sensibilities as a user for many reasons
[02:59] <yonkeltron> Garre1: it's not for everyone and it's not perfect....i couldn't imagine using much else
[03:02] <Garre1> Cool
[03:02] <Garre1> I just want something like ubuntu but that has more for customization
[03:02] <yonkeltron> Garre1: i imagine you can customize gnome well enough if you try
[03:03] <Garre1> I have gotten more into the technical end of ubuntu but there are limits
[03:03] <Garre1> There are limited good-looking themes
[03:03] <yonkeltron> well, under the hood, they are the same
[03:03] <yonkeltron> the only difference is the UI
[03:03] <Garre1> Really?
[03:04] <yonkeltron> pretty much
[03:04] <Garre1> I see on my live cd that there is some little bit of eye candy
[03:04] <Garre1> Is that most of it?
[03:04] <yonkeltron> the only difference, afaik, is that ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde
[03:04] <yonkeltron> so effectively, they are the same under the hood....the only difference is the desktop
[03:05] <Garre1> Ahh
[03:05] <Garre1> Have you ever looked at GNOME-look?
[03:06] <Garre1> the web site?
[03:06] <yonkeltron> not in depth
[03:06] <Garre1> Well I have looked at both the KDE one and GNOME and I see much more on the KDE side
[03:06] <Garre1> The thing that holds me back is support
[03:07] <Garre1> I just want the same support as ubuntu
[03:07] <yonkeltron> wiki.kubuntu.org
[03:07] <yonkeltron> and also, there is an F1 key
[03:07] <yonkeltron> works very well
[03:09] <Garre1> yonkeltron: is Kubuntu 7.04 set to release at the same time as Ubuntu 7.04?
[03:09] <yonkeltron> yes
[03:10] <yonkeltron> Garre1: all releases are coordinated
[03:10] <yonkeltron> Garre1: perhaps this conversation would best be had elsewhere.....given the topic
[03:11] <Garre1> Where?
[03:12] <yonkeltron> don't know
[03:13] <yonkeltron> not functioning very well
[03:13] <Garre1> Sorry
[03:14] <yonkeltron> me too
[03:17] <Garre1> Need sleep?
[03:20] <yonkeltron> i'm unsure
[05:40] <pwnguin> is the laptop debugging info conf'd in the ubuntu kernel?
[05:41] <pwnguin> my toshiba's not suspending and im not sure where it's broke at
[05:51] <pwnguin> it sounded like there was some nvram trick
[05:53] <mjg59> It's in the feisty kernel
[05:53] <mjg59> You need to echo 1 >/sys/power/trace (I think - it's called something like that)
[05:53] <pwnguin> cool
[05:54] <pwnguin> also, is there a good way to get apt / dpkg to restore the acpi file configurations? i may have touched them
[05:54] <pwnguin> previously i was hoping i could get suspend to work with nvidia's ulgy binary drivers, but its probably better to start small
[06:09] <pwnguin> im not finding anything interesting in dmesg
[06:09] <pwnguin> do i need to pass a kernel parameter?
[06:10] <mjg59> No
[06:18] <pwnguin> where should i be looking for those logs at?
[11:48] <no0tic> hi, what is this channel for?