[12:20] <sistpoty> keescook: do you want to upload mythtv sru or should I do it?
[12:21] <keescook> sistpoty: up to you; I have it ready to go (with the -proposed changes)
[12:22] <sistpoty> keescook: if you have it ready already, please do it (as I'd need to build it first)
[12:23] <keescook> sistpoty: uploaded.  :)
[12:23] <sistpoty> keescook: thx :)
[12:26] <lfittl> what will be the exact time for feature freeze today? and will uploaded NEW packages still go through?
[12:26] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, sistpoty, keescook; could any/two of you spare a couple of moments for a quick review?
[12:27] <sistpoty> tsmithe: sure
[12:27] <keescook> tsmithe: gotta pass for the moment, working on some CVE patches, sorry.  :(
[12:27] <tsmithe> thanks - hang on
[12:27] <tsmithe> keescook, np
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi tsmithe 
[12:28] <sistpoty> lfittl: there is no hard time frame for FF. +-12 hours won't make such a big difference
[12:28] <tsmithe> hi Hobbsee 
[12:28] <sistpoty> lfittl: but I don't know if packages waiting on new will get through after FF
[12:29] <sistpoty> hey Hobbsee
[12:29] <lfittl> sistpoty, ok, will just try to get the package done and uploaded then, hopefully it will get through
[12:29] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty :)
[12:30] <sistpoty> tsmithe: which package?
[12:30] <tsmithe> sistpoty, enblend <http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4435> if you could 
[12:30] <tsmithe> :)
[12:30] <sistpoty> :)
[12:31] <tsmithe> be warned: it takes a while to build
[12:31] <tsmithe> and quite a bit of ram. ten minutes of pentium-m 1.6 time and most of my one gig
[12:32] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, could you take a look as well?
[12:32] <sistpoty> tsmithe: /me remembers building it back on my old box... a while was iirc >= 1h
[12:32] <tsmithe> :S
[12:32] <tsmithe> how's the new box?
[12:32] <sistpoty> we'll see ;)
[12:33] <tsmithe> we will indeed
[12:33] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: maybe.  currently sifting thru email, etc
[12:33] <tsmithe> ok
[12:33] <tsmithe> if you could, that'd be super!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> they must want us to try it out...
[12:33] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:33] <tsmithe> it was on the lp-users list
[12:34] <Hobbsee> ahh..  i'm not subscribed to that
[12:34] <RAOF> I see that gnome-compiz-manager has been archived from REVU, and so I assume it's been uploaded.  *Now* I get to thank you, sistpoty :)
[12:34] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, tsk tsk - they told me i had to be when i signed up
[12:35] <Hobbsee> didnt tell me that
[12:35] <sistpoty> RAOF: yes, I've uploaded... you're welcome ;)
[12:36] <sistpoty> well... it isn't through new yet
[12:37] <RAOF> Hm.  Do things in new need to get through before FF?
[12:38] <sistpoty> no idea actually
[12:38] <RAOF> If so, I should probably follow up Speco, which has been sitting in NEW for a week or so.
[12:41] <sistpoty> tsmithe: didn't take too long, since it FTBFS on amd64
[12:42] <tsmithe> what?!!!
[12:42] <tsmithe> how?
[12:42] <tsmithe> why?
[12:42] <tsmithe> noooooo!
[12:42] <sistpoty> tsmithe: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6957/
[12:42] <tsmithe> can it still get in?
[12:43] <tsmithe> :S works on i386... weird
[12:43] <Hobbsee> !sru
[12:43] <ubotu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse.
[12:45] <sistpoty> tsmithe: my guess would be that size_t and int have a different size on amd64...
[12:45] <tsmithe> :'(
[12:45] <sistpoty> tsmithe: maybe you'd set architecture to any non 64bit arches?
[12:46] <tsmithe> how would i do that? just list them?
[12:46] <tsmithe> ??
[12:47] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: right, done.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> tsmithe: @ subscribing
[12:48] <tsmithe> aha
[12:48] <tsmithe> sistpoty, ^^ which arches do i list?
[12:50] <sistpoty> tsmithe: if you want to be safe, list only the one you've built the package on. I guess ppc and sparc could work, though I'm not 100% sure if one of these is 64-bit (and which one)
[12:50] <tsmithe> ok
[12:50] <tsmithe> ppc can be 64bit i think, and so can sparc
[12:50] <RAOF> I think sparc is partially 64bit, isn't it?
[12:50] <tsmithe> so i'm listing only i386
[12:55] <tsmithe> sistpoty, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4436 if you are able
[12:55] <tsmithe> Hobbsee, ^^ please?
[12:55] <tsmithe> erm... who else is motu?
[12:55] <tsmithe> (and awake)
[12:56] <sistpoty> tsmithe: I'm just trying to fix the build on amd64 actually :P
[12:56] <tsmithe> oh great!
[12:57] <jdong> pfft nobody care about oh wait that's ppc
[12:58] <tsmithe> jdong, hehe
[12:59] <tsmithe> but he also wants wired uploaded
[01:02] <sistpoty> tsmithe: I uploaded wired already... didn't you get an accept?
[01:02] <tsmithe> oops
[01:02] <tsmithe> i meant enblend
[01:02] <tsmithe> (see, tired)
[01:02] <tsmithe> what's an "accept"?
[01:03] <sistpoty> tsmithe: oh wait, actually a "<package> is NEW" rather than an accept-mail, since you'd get the accept-mail if the package is accepted into the archive.
[01:03] <tsmithe> yes
[01:03] <tsmithe> i didn't get an accept yet :)
[01:03] <tsmithe> (that's why i was confused :)
[01:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:05] <ajmitch> yay, servers somewhat unreachable
[01:05] <tsmithe> ajmitch, right on cue!
[01:05] <tsmithe> mrgh
[01:06] <sistpoty> tsmithe: seems like I fixed that issue... I'm just waiting until the build finishes in case more 64-bit errors are hidden (and I'm lagging somewhat due to heavy ram usage *g*)
[01:06] <tsmithe> oooh ok
[01:06] <tsmithe> thanks
[01:07] <ajmitch> how long would it take to build?
[01:08] <ajmitch> hm, has enblend been ACKed by 2 MOTUs?
[01:08] <tsmithe> not yet
[01:08] <tsmithe> that's why i'm waiting :)
[01:08] <ajmitch> ah, but you were asking for uploads, not for reviews :)
[01:08] <tsmithe> yes :)
[01:08] <tsmithe> i'm confident :P
[01:09] <tsmithe> (at least i was until sistpoty ruined it :P)
[01:09] <tsmithe> if you do get a patch, sistpoty that would be fantastic
[01:09] <Lathiat> how much ram does an enblend build need?
[01:09] <tsmithe> >512MiB
[01:09] <tsmithe> apparently
[01:09] <ajmitch> bah, that's nothing
[01:09] <Lathiat> heh
[01:09] <tsmithe> :)
[01:09] <Lathiat> isnt that like, standard now? ;)
[01:09] <tsmithe> yup
[01:09] <Lathiat> i have 2G in my machine
[01:10] <ajmitch> unless I count the router downstairs
[01:10] <Lathiat> i need more however
[01:10] <Lathiat> im simulating large avahi networks
[01:10] <Lathiat> i managed to get a base debian+avahi in 16M of ram
[01:10] <ajmitch> go for 4GB, you won't regret it
[01:10] <Lathiat> but thats only 128 VMs
[01:10] <ajmitch> except the cost :)
[01:10] <Lathiat> assuming no overheads
[01:10] <Lathiat> which isnt really enough... :P
[01:11] <ajmitch> I know
[01:11] <Lathiat> so im thinking
[01:11] <Lathiat> theres this rental place that sponsors rflan we usually get
[01:11] <ajmitch> but it's not common yet to get a box with 8GB
[01:11] <Lathiat> 8+ laptops/desktops that are at least p4 3.0ghz 1G ram
[01:11] <Lathiat> im hoping theyll lend like 20+ machines to me for..
[01:11] <Lathiat> a day
[01:11] <Lathiat> so i can run like 1000 VMs
[01:11] <ajmitch> why do you need that many?
[01:11] <Lathiat> so simulate avahi in a large network
[01:11] <jdong> avahi apparently :)
[01:11] <Lathiat> determine traffic usage, packets, etc
[01:11] <Lathiat> sine no ones done this
[01:11] <Lathiat> and we want to know for OLPC
[01:11] <Lathiat> and i want to know anyway
[01:12] <ajmitch> see how much flooding there is?
[01:12] <Lathiat> ya
[01:12] <ajmitch> could be worthwhile
[01:12] <Lathiat> how much bandwidht a new host coming in does if its browses and gets back 1 service per host
[01:12] <Lathiat> that sortof thing
[01:12] <jdong> grr Evince is insulting my calculus abilties.... :(
[01:12] <Lathiat> what happens when you run 'avhai-discover' ;)
[01:12] <Lathiat> etc
[01:12] <jdong> the answers Evince is showing greatly differ from mine
[01:12] <tsmithe> jdong, haha
[01:12] <ajmitch> what happens when you try & enumerate all the printers on a network everytime you try & print ;)
[01:13] <ajmitch> so I guess you'd need to simulate a whole lot of services
[01:13] <ajmitch> tsmithe: then do so
[01:13] <tsmithe> but i want this package in!!
[01:14] <ajmitch> sounds like it needs some work  still :)
[01:15] <tsmithe> no - just it ftbfs on amd64 (not my fault!)
[01:15] <ajmitch> not your fault, but your responsibility :)
[01:15] <tsmithe> mrgh
[01:15] <tsmithe> i've uploaded an i386-only one, but sistpoty's doing a patch apparently
[01:15] <tsmithe> hi rexbron 
[01:17] <tsmithe> hi lotusleaf 
[01:17] <lotusleaf> hi tsmithe
[01:17] <ajmitch> tsmithe: you'd probably need to beg
[01:17] <tsmithe> yes
[01:18] <tsmithe> i know - but it's for the good cause of ubuntustudio
[01:18] <tsmithe> ;)
[01:18] <ajmitch> you're not the only one with packages that aren't quite there yet
[01:18] <tsmithe> shush :P
[01:18] <tsmithe> :) do you think i could get one?
[01:18] <ajmitch> depends
[01:19] <tsmithe> hmm?
[01:19] <ajmitch> you might be lucky & get it uploaded today
[01:19] <tsmithe> i might
[01:19] <ajmitch> though sistpoty is probably almost asleep
[01:19] <tsmithe> but i'm asleep
[01:19] <tsmithe> so how's that going to happen?
[01:19] <tsmithe> i haven't had two acks
[01:19] <rexbron> tsmithe: for which package?
[01:20] <ajmitch> tsmithe: the most likely cause for rejection will be debian/copyright
[01:20] <ajmitch> sistpoty: got a patch I can try? I've got plenty of RAM to build with :)
[01:20] <tsmithe> ajmitch, you think? why?
[01:21] <tsmithe> rexbron, enblend *sigh*
[01:21] <tsmithe> wired got in though (crossed-fingers)
[01:21] <sistpoty> ajmitch: give me a sec
[01:21] <ajmitch> tsmithe: a quick grep -ri copyright shows up a number of other authors on various files
[01:21] <ajmitch> like in src/win32helpers
[01:21] <tsmithe> crap
[01:21] <rexbron> tsmithe: soma got smacked down
[01:21] <tsmithe> i heard
[01:21] <ajmitch> plenty mentioning  Gunnar Kedenburg
[01:21] <tsmithe> ajmitch, argh!!!
[01:22] <tsmithe> but that says win32 :P
[01:22] <tsmithe> i'll check
[01:22] <jdong> is there some way of influencing NetworkManager to connect to an essid outside of nm-applet/knetworkmanager?
[01:22] <ajmitch> tsmithe: so, you're shipping the source
[01:22] <tsmithe> yeah i know
[01:22] <jdong> i.e. to use kerberos login I need network to be up to log in.
[01:22] <jdong> I'm expecting probably some dbus magic?
[01:23] <ajmitch> float_cast.h:** Copyright (C) 2001 Erik de Castro Lopo <erikd AT mega-nerd DOT com>
[01:23] <tsmithe> yeah yeah - i'm on it
[01:24] <ajmitch> you may want to use a patch system if you're going to carry an amd64 patch
[01:25] <rexbron> ajmitch: If an app links against OpenSSL and other GPL'd software, but the app has an licence exception for SSL, does linking against other GPL software pose an issue?
[01:25] <tsmithe> ajmitch, i will :)
[01:25] <ajmitch> rexbron: I don't know, but it possibly does
[01:25] <rexbron> carp
[01:26] <tsmithe> can i just say "some files" or do i have to be specific?
[01:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/anneal_identical_types_64bit.screwed.patch
[01:27] <ajmitch> sistpoty: thanks, I'll look :)
[01:27] <sistpoty> ajmitch: however that is still a little bit nasty... I guess it would suffice to just static_cast the first parameter to a size_t and leave the 2nd alone
[01:27] <sistpoty> (otherwise it'd mean long long even on i386)
[01:29] <ajmitch> yeah, I pity you :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> how is the thesis going? :)
[01:29] <jdong> ah, the lovely new casting operators :)
[01:29] <sistpoty> I'm starting to run out of time :(
[01:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: blame ubuntu :)
[01:30] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:31] <racarr> What's the deal with Beryl packages for feisty?
[01:32] <ajmitch> I presume they weren't of adequate quality to include by now
[01:32] <Hobbsee> or imbrandon just ran out of time to get them in
[01:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: ie, not of adequate quality yet
[01:32] <Hobbsee> true
[01:33] <ajmitch> 15811 1234      25   0 1270m 1.2g 5900 R  100 32.0   1:49.21 /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/cc1plus -fpreprocessed /home/ajmitch/debian/pbuilder/ccache/e
[01:33] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:33] <ajmitch> 1.2GB for building enblend
[01:33] <RAOF> Everyone loves having a turing-complete pre-processor.
[01:33] <racarr> Anyone else able to work on this?
[01:33] <RAOF> Actually, turing-complete _template_ system :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> racarr: you?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> racarr: s/able/willing/
[01:34] <racarr> Hobbsee: I don't know much about debian packaging :/
[01:34] <racarr> The basics...but
[01:34] <racarr> I'm also not sure what's wrong with the packaging we have in svn TRUNK/distro-specific-build-files
[01:34] <RAOF> I don't get why the Beryl guys haven't been on this for ages.
[01:35] <racarr> Well, we've had ubuntu packaging for ages
[01:35] <ajmitch> actually having stuff in the distro mustn't be important :)
[01:35] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh nice
[01:35] <Lathiat> openh323 is like that
[01:35] <Lathiat> 14,000 line C++ files
[01:35] <Lathiat> with a million templates and shit
[01:35] <RAOF> racarr: So why haven't you guys been submitting to REVU?
[01:35] <ajmitch> racarr: from what I recall, there were a number of issues with copyrights, etc
[01:35] <ajmitch> but I wasn't involved
[01:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: excellent :)
[01:35] <Lathiat> uesd to take 3-400M of ram, and 100% cpu for 14 minutes on a 1ghz celeron
[01:35] <racarr> ajmitch: Pretty sure we have worked those out...
[01:35] <Lathiat> beryl has a number of licensing issues from what im told
[01:35] <racarr> RAOF: Err, we assumed someone from Ubuntu would do it I suppose
[01:36] <Lathiat> and stuff that needs non-free compilers, i.e. the opengl shader stuff
[01:36] <Lathiat> but im far from an expert on it thats second hand info
[01:36] <ajmitch> just assuming that someone will do work for you isn't going to help 
[01:36] <racarr> Lathiat: We had a pretty large issue with tango icons before...but we redid all of that
[01:36] <ajmitch> if you really wanted it, you should have chased it - it's universe feature freeze time now
[01:37] <RAOF> racarr: :-|.
[01:37] <ajmitch> Lathiat: well it's still going, RAM usage is hovering between 800-1200MB
[01:37] <ajmitch> not really hovering, but it's still up there, same process :)
[01:37] <racarr> RAOF: Yeah...sigh
[01:38] <racarr> I asked about this on the 2nd or so and imbrandon said he was going to try and do it in the week...but apparently he ran in to some problems
[01:38] <jdong> ajmitch: obviously you haven't booted vista before ;-)
[01:38] <ajmitch> jdong: sorry?
[01:38] <jdong> ajmitch> Lathiat: well it's still going, RAM usage is hovering between 800-1200MB
[01:38] <sistpoty> I still remember ghc6 builds... >=  hours  on my box. however I abused tiber for nigghtly builds :)
[01:38] <ajmitch> and what has that got to do with booting vista?
[01:39] <jdong> that's a small number when you've worked with That Other OS for a while :)
[01:39] <ajmitch> sistpoty: ouch, tiber is not fast :)
[01:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: my old box was  slower :P
[01:39] <RAOF> racarr: We (as in, the Compiz guys, mainly gandalfn) have been doing the REVU/review/repackage loop since the beginning of the year, pretty much.  And a bit before, I think.
[01:39] <sistpoty> >= 6 hours... damn swappping  *g*
[01:40] <ajmitch> so hopefully the OOM killer won't kick in :)
[01:40] <Lathiat> haha
[01:40] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:41] <sistpoty> evenn my mouse doesn't move fluently right nnow :(
[01:41] <ajmitch> though I could just kill firefox
[01:41] <ajmitch> & free up a whole lot of RAM
[01:41] <lifeless> ajmitch: what you running ?
[01:42] <ajmitch> lifeless: building enblend, it's written in c++
[01:42] <tsmithe> how's it going?
[01:42] <ajmitch> still going
[01:42] <tsmithe> working?
[01:43] <ajmitch> well it's not really doing anything visible, apart from cooking my cpu
[01:43] <tsmithe> yeah - that's what happens here
[01:43] <ajmitch> but it's not swapping, so it shouldn't take quite as long to build
[01:44] <tsmithe> seriously: takes forever and ever
[01:44] <Lathiat> wtf is enablend anyway
[01:44] <ajmitch> there, it built
[01:44] <Lathiat> haha that was quick
[01:44] <tsmithe> hehe
[01:44] <sistpoty> big-ram cheater :P
[01:44] <ajmitch> so a bit over 15 minutes
[01:44] <tsmithe> yup
[01:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: only 4GB
[01:44] <tsmithe> sounds about right
[01:44] <tsmithe> "only" ha
[01:44] <ajmitch> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[01:45] <ajmitch> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280
[01:45] <ajmitch> make: *** [binary-arch]  Error 1
[01:45] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:45] <tsmithe> Lathiat, http://enblend.sourceforge.net/
[01:45] <hub> ajmitch: I stopped at 450MB if RSS
[01:45] <ajmitch> any good reason it's i386 only?
[01:45] <tsmithe> nope
[01:45] <tsmithe> apart from the earlier ftbfs
[01:45] <ajmitch> then that's a bad thing to specify
[01:45] <tsmithe> sistpoty told me to!
[01:46] <tsmithe> i'll change it when it's patched
[01:46] <racarr> RAOF: Yeah...I suppose we just assumed distributions did that :/
[01:46] <ajmitch> what about the other archs? like ppc, ia64, sparc?
[01:46] <tsmithe> ajmitch, sistpoty; shall i just put "any" again?
[01:46] <tsmithe> ajmitch, we don't know about those
[01:46] <sistpoty> tsmithe: yes please
[01:46] <ajmitch> so?
[01:46] <tsmithe> so?
[01:46] <tsmithe> oh - so nothing
[01:46] <tsmithe> :)
[01:46] <RAOF> racarr: Those with paid devs probably do.  Universe is community-maintained, so someone needs to care, and that's probably you :)
[01:47] <tsmithe> i'll just get dpatch up and upload a new one :)
[01:47] <ajmitch> with all the debian/copyright fixes, I presume?
[01:47] <tsmithe> i've just uploaded a new one also, with new copyright info
[01:47] <tsmithe> yes :)
[01:47] <RAOF> How long should a package be hanging around in NEW for, by the way?
[01:47] <tsmithe> but that's not patched for 64
[01:48] <ajmitch> RAOF: depends on how busy the archive admins are
[01:49] <Lathiat> i hope you didnt plan on testing enblend
[01:49] <Lathiat> Requirements:
[01:49] <Lathiat> * A fast computer. * Lots of memory.
[01:49] <Lathiat> Lots of disk space for temporary files.
[01:49] <ajmitch> Lathiat: oh I expect that he has tested it thoroughly
[01:49] <tsmithe> who me?
[01:49] <ajmitch> yes you
[01:49] <tsmithe> _ yes tested... _ 
[01:49] <RAOF> ajmitch: And will packages in NEW get into the repositories, even after FF?
[01:50] <ajmitch> RAOF: I presume so, I can't speak for the archive admins
[01:50] <RAOF> Ok.  I won't stress about Specto hanging around in NEW for a week, then.
[01:52] <tsmithe> right - i'm not pbuilding, ok?
[01:53] <sistpoty> tsmithe: please build at least for 5 minutes... the error occured during the very beginning of the build, and I'd like to know that I diidn't break i386 
[01:53] <tsmithe> ah right ok
[01:54] <sistpoty> if it startts swapping,  you're over the point where itt failed ;)
[01:54] <tsmithe> :P
[02:02] <tsmithe> sistpoty, ajmitch; alright, it's been building a while without issues, and i've uploaded to revu
[02:04] <tsmithe> and i'm swapping
[02:04] <tsmithe> *stops
[02:04] <tsmithe> ok?
[02:04] <ajmitch> +Package: enblend
[02:04] <ajmitch> +Architecture: i386
[02:05] <tsmithe> crap
[02:05] <sistpoty> fine with me... itt's sitll buillding here btww
[02:05] <ajmitch> +++ enblend-3.0/debian/dirs
[02:05] <ajmitch> @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@
[02:05] <ajmitch> +usr/bin
[02:05] <ajmitch> +usr/sbin
[02:05] <tsmithe> what the?!
[02:05] <ajmitch> does it really stick stuff in /usr/sbin?
[02:05] <tsmithe> nope
[02:06] <tsmithe> i was sure i deleted that
[02:06] <tsmithe> anything else?
[02:06] <ajmitch> copyright looks better
[02:07] <tsmithe> :)
[02:10] <tsmithe> dunno
[02:10] <tsmithe> :P
[02:11] <ajmitch> might be something useful to call from an f-spot plugin :)
[02:11] <tsmithe> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4439
[02:11] <ajmitch> sistpoty: because you deal with c++ too much?
[02:11] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:12] <sistpoty> I guesss rather because I'm still a poor student
[02:12] <Adri2000> ajmitch: can you update http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html ? some packages have been synced
[02:12] <ajmitch> Adri2000: since when?
[02:12] <ajmitch> it does update nightly (about 12 hours ago)
[02:13] <tsmithe> ajmitch, sistpoty; can i go to bed sure that that'll be uploaded?
[02:13] <ajmitch> heh
[02:13] <ajmitch> funny
[02:13] <Adri2000> ajmitch: I thought you had to do it manually
[02:13] <ajmitch> Adri2000: nope, that gets boring
[02:13] <Adri2000> :p
[02:14] <tsmithe> ajmitch, funny?
[02:14] <ajmitch> tsmithe: asking that it'll surely be uploaded
[02:15] <tsmithe> hehe - well you know
[02:15] <sistpoty> tsmithe: I guess it would be fair to stay up until you got reviews... /me is tired as well :P
[02:16] <ajmitch> I wonder how much diskspace I'd need to run it
[02:16] <tsmithe> i have to get up again in six hours!
[02:17] <sistpoty> tsmithe: oh, nice... welll I can't guarantee anything, but I'll do my best then ;)
[02:17] <tsmithe> :)
[02:17] <tsmithe> thank you all very much
[02:17] <tsmithe> i'm gonna crash
[02:17] <ajmitch> bye
[02:17] <sistpoty> gn8 tsmithe
[02:17] <tsmithe> night sistpoty, ajmitch
[02:38] <sistpoty> woohoo... the build is done :)
[02:43] <ajmitch> sistpoty: that took awhile
[02:55] <sistpoty> oh, nice
[02:56] <jdong> it'll be a beryl of fun getting that into either repository....
[02:57] <_ion> Fortunately there's compiz. ;-) (Of course, i'm forced to use beryl because compiz-extra in REVU hasn't been reviewed and it contains the 'state' plugin, which i can't live without.)
[03:04] <LaserJock> _ion: you can't build a .deb from the REVU one? ;-)
[03:04] <RAOF> _ion: Why don't you ask bddebian, the review king, to review compiz-extra, then? :P
[03:04] <sistpoty> ajmitch: for enblend it still looks like there are more licenses involved than stated in debian/copyright, e.g. ./src/vigra_impex/rgbe.c (unknown) or ./src/win32helpers/getopt_long.c (bsd) :(
[03:04] <RAOF> Alternatively, you could tag LaserJock, since he's the first MOTU to reply to you :)
[03:04] <LaserJock> geeze
[03:05] <LaserJock> I'm not touching beryl/compiz with a ten foot pole
[03:05] <RAOF> We obviously need more MOTU-eycandy-freaks :)
[03:05] <_ion> laserjock: Then i wouldn't get automatic updates. I've added an unofficial beryl repo :-(, and when i see all the trouble to move to compiz, i'd like to get it from the official repo.
[03:06] <LaserJock> RAOF: I love eycandy. screen rocks!
[03:07] <LaserJock> *eyecandy
[03:07] <RAOF> Doesn't screen crash on you all the time, though?
[03:07] <LaserJock> no
[03:07] <RAOF> Hm.
[03:07] <LaserJock> I don't know that I've ever had screen crash
[03:07] <RAOF> I've done a fair bit of pairing over the intertron with screen, and it seems to not-infrequently just freeze.
[03:07] <_ion> People are saying screen's code is horrible, but at least it seems to be stable for a huge amount of people.
[03:08] <LaserJock> oh, freezing maybe
[03:08] <LaserJock> I was thinking like segfaulting
[03:08] <RAOF> Ah, semantics :)
[03:08] <RAOF> No, just being annoyingly unstable.
[03:08] <LaserJock> yeah, it does do that
[03:08] <LaserJock> but it's pretty easy to reconnect
[03:09] <ajmitch> sistpoty: hm ok
[03:09] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I didn't check very hard :)
[03:09] <LaserJock> in comparison to having the app *in* screen crash
[03:09] <ajmitch> mainly just grep for the authors
[03:09] <RAOF> LaserJock: True.
[03:09] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I tried dholbachs small check-copyright script, which basically just lists a head of all source-files
[03:09] <RAOF> _ion: You could tag ajmitch with compiz-extra.  Because obviously none of the MOTU will be busy this close to feature-freeze :)
[03:10] <LaserJock> *cough*
[03:10] <LaserJock> I'm heading home
[03:10] <ajmitch> RAOF: right, we're obviously not busy
[03:11] <LaserJock> bbiab
[03:11] <ajmitch> RAOF: I took a 30 second look at the diff & spotted a number of problems, so it'll take some cleanup
[03:11] <sistpoty> cya Laser_away
[03:11] <RAOF> Yeah, all this fixing of packages is clearly taking you no time at all.
[03:12] <pochu> Hey guys! Can anybody of you sponsor an upload for universe? Bug #86744. Thank you! ^_^
[03:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86744 in listen "[apport]  python2.5 crashed with SIGSEGV while running Listen 0.5-0ubuntu2" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86744
[03:12] <RAOF> ajmitch: Yeah, I wasn't really being serious.  If I'd cared about it, I would have been pushing much, much earlier.
[03:13] <pochu> ups :)
[03:13] <ajmitch> interesting
[03:15] <pochu> ajmitch: do you mean my url? :)
[03:15] <ajmitch> the url that ubugtu spits out
[03:15] <sistpoty> lol, splatd's homepage refers to revu: http://dpw.threerings.net/projects/splat/#get
[03:16] <RAOF> :)
[03:17] <pochu> !log
[03:17] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:20] <ajmitch> ugh, noisy people working outside
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:37] <ajmitch> hello
[03:37] <pochu> hi bddebian :)
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, pochu
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Isn't it too late at this point?
[03:38] <bddebian> I can't even get my own packages in
[03:38] <pochu> ajmitch: are you reviewing my upload? :-)
[03:39] <ajmitch> no, bddebian may want to look at it, as he knows the package
[03:39] <bddebian> I do?
[03:39] <pochu> bddebian: it's about listen :)
[03:39] <bddebian> What do I know?
[03:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't worry, I've got packages that won't make it in
[03:39] <bddebian> pochu: Didn't we upload it?
[03:39] <pochu> bddebian: could you take a look at it please? :) Bug #86744
[03:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86744 in listen "[apport]  python2.5 crashed with SIGSEGV while running Listen 0.5-0ubuntu2" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86744
[03:40] <pochu> bddebian: sure, but there is a bug when going to lyrics or to the wikipedia info
[03:40] <pochu> listen crashes everytime, but I've fixed it :)
[03:40] <bddebian> Oh, was that the flag that we didn't turn on?
[03:41] <pochu> bddebian: in the makefile, but also the /usr/bin/listen was bad
[03:41] <pochu> bddebian: though I think they are related, because they two are with firefox/gtkmozembed :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Uhm, what good does a diff.gz do me?
[03:46] <pochu> bddebian: do you want a simple diff?
[03:47] <pochu> bddebian: I've just added two patchs and changed the changelog
[03:47] <pochu> (the patches are attached to the bug report)
[03:47] <bddebian> pochu: Yeah, can you just do me a diff or debdiff please?
[03:47] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:48] <LaserJock> hi
[03:48] <pochu> bddebian: sure, one moment :)
[03:48] <pochu> hey LaserJock :)
[03:48] <sistpoty> wb LaserJock
[03:48] <LaserJock> hi pochu 
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[03:48] <LaserJock> sistpoty: what are you doing still up?
[03:48] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:48] <sistpoty> LaserJock: preparing to go to bed :P
[03:50] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty :)
[03:50] <sistpoty> gn8 bddebian
[03:50] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:50] <RAOF> Good night sistpoty 
[03:50] <ajmitch> night sistpoty :)
[03:50] <RAOF> Ta for the ACK!
[03:51] <pochu> bddebian: done :)
[03:51] <bddebian> Hmm, seems Mr. Cox is not happy with ESR
[03:51] <pochu> bddebian: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6495125/debdiff ^_^
[03:53] <RAOF> bddebian: Link?
[03:54] <RAOF> ESR is often good fun.
[03:55] <bddebian> RAOF: I'm not sure where it came from yet
[03:55] <bddebian> pochu: Building now
[03:55] <pochu> bddebian: thanks :)
[03:56] <bddebian> Does Redsplat/Fedora not ship non-free drivers? (I find that hard to believe)
[03:57] <jdong> none at all
[03:57] <jdong> zero
[03:57] <jdong> zip
[03:57] <jdong> would you like that worded in a different way?
[03:57] <jdong> 0.999...-1
[03:57] <jdong> IQ(george bush)
[03:57] <bddebian> Hmm, so no ATI, Broadcom, etc, etc?
[03:58] <jdong> no!
[03:58] <jdong> no madwifi
[03:58] <bddebian> heh
[03:58] <jdong> no intel pro wireless support
[03:58] <jdong> (firmware non-free)
[03:58] <bddebian> Uhm, George Bush did Graduate from Harvard ya know
[03:58] <jdong> bddebian: I thought it was yale.
[03:58] <jdong> and you're talking to a MIT guy about harvard....
[03:59] <bddebian> jdong: Yale/Harvard, what's the difference? ;-P
[03:59] <jdong> 'This Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport.'
[03:59] <jdong> ^^ does that sound like an intelligent statement to you?
[03:59] <ajmitch> jdong: we could pull up a lot of quotes from you
[03:59] <jdong> ajmitch: lol but I am not a public figure :)
[03:59] <bddebian> My favorite was "gynocologists can continue to practice their love..."
[03:59] <jdong> lol
[04:02] <bddebian> RAOF: Very end of this:  http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6401388051.html
[04:16] <bddebian> pochu: Uploaded
[04:18] <pochu> bddebian: thanks! :)
[04:52] <pochu> night everybody!
[04:52] <pochu> bddebian: ty for the upload :)
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> Why on earth does my pbuilder complain that zip isn't in it's path....sigh
[05:16] <bddebian> zip?
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> that's what it said, yep
[05:23] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Do you have it as a build-dep?
[05:24] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: I do now - didn't know it needed it.
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> now, *** The pkg-config script could not be found.
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> blah
[05:25] <RAOF> Well, one more build-dep ":
[05:25] <RAOF> :)
[05:28] <bddebian> heh
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> biab - gotta let mom online for a moment
[05:29] <bddebian> heh
[05:30] <ajmitch> hm
[05:36] <bddebian> ajmitch: You shouldn't have to dig too hard :-)
[05:36] <ajmitch> looking for specific bugs, since I had one filed in f-spot that really doesn't look f-spot related
[05:37] <ajmitch> since it affects other gtk+ menus, not just f-spot
[05:40] <ajmitch> anyway, back later
[06:00] <tritium> Hmm, I've been dealing with a _very_ persistent speex upstream maintainer in #ubuntu about available fixes not getting into dapper.
[06:01] <tritium> He's actually requesting it be removed from universe if the fix (available in edgy) doesn't get put into dapper.
[06:01] <tritium> (given Dapper's LTS desigation)
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> is it in backports?
[06:01] <tritium> I have not checked.
[06:02] <tritium> evidently not
[06:03] <tritium> Is there a process to follow to put something from {release}+1 into {release}-backports?
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> yup
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> Look for Backports on the wiki.
[06:03] <tritium> will do
[06:03] <tritium> Thanks, tonyyarusso 
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> There's instructions (basically you file a bug)
[06:04] <LaserJock> tritium: does it need a backport or a stable release update?
[06:04] <LaserJock> tritium: hi, btw
[06:04] <tritium> LaserJock: hi!  Well, either way, as long as it's fixed.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> noooooooooooooooooo!!!!
[06:07] <tritium> LaserJock: a stabe release update would require it to be security related?
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> These new build-deps are going to require like 5 hours of downloading...
[06:07] <LaserJock> tritium: no, it needs to be critical though
[06:07] <LaserJock> tritium: and follow the SRU process
[06:07] <LaserJock> tritium: which can be involved
[06:07] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Welcome to the "wild" world of packaging :)
[06:08] <LaserJock> nixternal: did you have to blog that? ;-)
[06:08] <ajmitch> hey tritium 
[06:08] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[06:08] <LaserJock> tritium: will it requre a newer version of speex?
[06:08] <tritium> Mind if I ask the upstream maintainer to join us?
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Um, if I miss tomorrow's deadline for new packages, is there a way to plead for exceptions?
[06:08] <LaserJock> np
[06:08] <Fujitsu> speex... SRU... Is that the one I commented on a while ago?
[06:08] <tritium> Or should we take it to a temporary channel?
[06:08] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Maybe you should do like LaserJock, and maintain a local apt repository :)
[06:09] <tritium> Fujitsu: where did you comment on it?
[06:09] <crimsun> tritium: who, jmspeex?
[06:09] <tritium> jmwork, I believe
[06:09] <crimsun> tritium: that main SRU is blocked on MOTU verification
[06:09] <tritium> jmworx
[06:09] <Fujitsu> There was a bug about a requested fix a while ago.
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Yeah, I might, but updating that would be just as fun...
[06:09] <crimsun> yes, he's the upstream author/maintainer of speex
[06:10] <tritium> Okay.  He's rather persistent, so I offered to look into it.
[06:10] <ajmitch> most SRUs are blocked on testing, it seems
[06:10] <crimsun> we need a couple people who are running 6.06 on amd64 to verify that the dapper-updates version fixes it
[06:10] <tritium> I see...
[06:10] <Fujitsu> Hm, not the bug I thought of, maybe.
[06:11] <tritium> crimsun: may I bring him in here so we can explain it to him?
[06:11] <crimsun> tritium: I've already tried; it just needs to be tested
[06:11] <crimsun> (I spoke to him some months ago about it :/ )
[06:11] <tritium> crimsun: okay
[06:11] <LaserJock> tritium: we certainly aren't going to throw him out ;-)
[06:11] <tritium> I know, but he's pretty vocal about his opinion ;)
[06:12] <ajmitch> wow, a bug # below 20K :)
[06:12] <Fujitsu> Ah, I remember... I dealt with him on the mailing list a bit.
[06:13] <ajmitch> so there's been no life on the bug for months
[06:14] <crimsun> I can test one amd64 running 6.06 tomorrow noon (~12 hr)
[06:14] <Fujitsu> Approaching 3 months now... Hm.
[06:14] <crimsun> so if we can get a couple other people to do the same from a chroot or such, we can push it through
[06:15] <tritium> crimsun: okay...
[06:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I get to work with bugs on LP < 5000 lately
[06:17] <tritium> crimsun: I'll setup a 6.06 chroot on my mythtv box, then
[06:17] <crimsun> tritium: excellent, thank you
[06:18] <tritium> :)
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> When something's uploaded to REVU, is a notice automatically sent to the ML asking for reviews, or do you have to prod people manually?
[06:20] <tritium> crimsun: I assume I need a debootstrap chroot, and not a pbuilder chroot for this one?
[06:20] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: a mail sent to a separate mailing list, but I don't know who checks it :)
[06:20] <crimsun> tritium: a proper chroot will suffice (pbuilder login would suffice, yes)
[06:20] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: I believe a notification is sent out to a mailing list, but I've always had to poke people here to get review :)
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: ah.
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> got it
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> Is the 22nd deadline UTC, or in any zone?  ;)
[06:21] <tritium> I'm most familiar with pbuilder.  (I must confess my ignorance!)
[06:21] <RAOF> +0 UTC
[06:21] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: NZDT
[06:22] <RAOF> ajmitch: Really?  Am I just totally confused :S
[06:22] <ajmitch> 00:00, feb 22nd, NZDT ;)
[06:23] <LaserJock> generally the freezes have been timed to the Development meetings
[06:23] <ajmitch> we don't have any specific cutoff time when things slam closed
[06:23] <RAOF> But wasn't that 16 hours ago?
[06:23] <ajmitch> no, there was no devel meeting 16 hours ago
[06:23] <LaserJock> just upload a bunch of stuff and claim ignorance ;-)
[06:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they need *you* to upload
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: (/any other MOTU) what's your schedule look like tomorrow?
[06:30] <LaserJock> crappy, as usual
[06:30] <bddebian> Heh
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> :(
[06:31] <LaserJock> what time is the devel meeting?
[06:31] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: You could always try bddebian.  After all, he *is* the King of the Review :)
[06:31] <bddebian> Not hardly :-(
[06:34] <Toadstool> tonyyarusso: package? I need to keep my mind busy if I don't wanna go crazy and tv shows suck tonight...
[06:35] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> Toadstool: KompoZer, bugfix stopgap of Nvu until Composer2 is ready.  I hope to have a source package ready within 16 hours.
[06:36] <Toadstool> bddebian: don't tell anything, the new episode is in about 30 mintues here
[06:37] <bddebian> Toadstool: D00d, I'm about to give up on that show :-(
[06:37] <Toadstool> heh
[06:37] <Toadstool> sick of waiting for something to happen? :)
[06:37] <bddebian> That and all the different crap I can't keep up with :-)
[06:37] <bddebian> I'm having more fun with Heroes lately :-)
[06:38] <Toadstool> yeah me too
[06:38] <Toadstool> tonyyarusso: so nothing right now?
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> Toadstool: Correct, unfortunately.  My pbuilder still has a few hours worth of build-dep downloads to do.
[06:39] <Toadstool> oh wow, hours?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> dialup
[06:40] <LaserJock> I'm just watching Idol
[06:40] <Toadstool> oh well, if it's mozilla-ish + dialup, you'd better be patient
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> yep
[06:41] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: you should poke imbrandon, Lathiat, or anyone else willing to give you a shell
[06:41] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: You know, I could possibly give you a shell account on my box.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> or maybe siretart, so he could give you a shell on REVU
[06:41] <RAOF> It's got like 50 different pbuilders :)
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: That would be amazingly helpful.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: better to pick someone who has a local mirror, of course :P
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> RAOF (imbrandon, Lathiat, siretart): I'd be up for that.
[06:43] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Send an SSH public key to chalserogers@gmail.com
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: ok
[06:43] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: what's your LP id?
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: This same nick.
[06:44] <crimsun> RAOF: his ssh key is on his LP page
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: (that's id_dsa.pub, right?)
[06:44] <RAOF> Yup.
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> So it is, yeah.
[06:44] <RAOF> crimsun: Oh, cool :)
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> Had to put it up for planet - forgot about that.
[06:48] <tritium> LaserJock: you admit to watching idol? ;)
[06:48] <LaserJock> sure
[06:48] <lotusleaf> that's about as classy as bumfights
[06:49] <LaserJock> I have the {un}lucky talent of being able to watch darn near anything
[06:49] <tritium> okay, okay, I watch it with my wife
[06:49] <tritium> But only because she makes me
[06:49] <LaserJock> heh, my wife hates TV
[06:49] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: You should be able to ssh into raof.dyndns.org now.
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Thanks heaps!
[06:50] <RAOF> Now, how do I give you pbuilder access without actually giving you root access :)
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> Configure sudo just for pbuilder.
[06:51] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Excellent idea.  How :)
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Google "sudoers config" and look at the examples in the first three results or so (I've never bother memorizing)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: you insane person.
[06:52] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: username tonyyarusso I take it?
[06:52] <Toadstool> hey Hobbsee, always so nice with people :)
[06:53] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Yup.
[06:53] <Toadstool> heh
[06:54] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: So, it seems you should have pbuilder access now :)
[06:54] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: I'm just updating the pbuilder now, then you can go for your life :)
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: cool.
[06:56] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I just had a thought - how am I going to sign the package, without my private gpg key around?
[06:57] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: You won't need to.
[06:57] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: The pbuilder is only so you can check that it builds, surely.
[06:57] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Oh, and it's ready.
[06:57] <RAOF> Once you've got a package that successfully pbuilds, then you can debuild -S -sa on your local box.
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Gotcha.
[06:57] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: debsign -r
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Come again?
[06:58] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: aka man debsign
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> duh
[06:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:58] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Knock yourself out.  My 1.5Mbit connection is at your disposal :)
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> All right, thank you so much all.  Now, my dad might flip if he realizes I'm still up and online, so I'll be off shortly, but hopefully back with functional packages in REVU before too long :)
[06:58] <tonyyarusso> swwweeeett
[07:00] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: use screen, too, if you arent already
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> yeah..
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> <3 screen
[07:01] <crimsun> tritium: when completed, please leave a comment on #19482 affirming the fix, thanks.
[07:03] <tritium> crimsun: I will do so.  I can't do it tonight.  It'll likely be the weekend, and I may need a few pointers on the chroot setup, and how to test.
[07:03] <crimsun> anyone else able to whip up an amd64 dapper chroot to test bug 19482?
[07:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19482 in speex "speexenc segfaults on amd64" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19482
[07:04] <RAOF> I suppose I've got a dapper pbuiler chroot lying around.
[07:04] <tritium> crimsun: is that not soon enough?
[07:05] <tritium> Or, do you just need more testers?
[07:05] <crimsun> tritium: ok, just ping me. Essentially, you ``pbuilder login'', edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include -security, -updates and -proposed, update && upgrade, install speex & libogg0, then test ``speexenc /dev/zero /dev/null''
[07:05] <tritium> crimsun: fair enough
[07:05] <crimsun> yes, I'm the third tester; we need 5
[07:06] <tritium> Okay.
[07:06] <imbrandon> hum is there a way to query apt to see if a specific package needs to be updated ?
[07:06] <crimsun> anyone (not restricted to ubuntu-dev members) can affirm.
[07:06] <lifeless> imbrandon: madison
[07:06] <imbrandon> s/apt/dpkg_or_apt
[07:07] <lifeless> sorry, what do you mean by updated ?
[07:07] <imbrandon> eg if there is a newer one in the archive ( avail from sources.list )
[07:07] <imbrandon> other than just apt-get update and grepping it
[07:07] <imbrandon> err upgrade
[07:07] <imbrandon> like say i only want to know if tzdata is uptodate
[07:08] <imbrandon> dont realy care about anything else
[07:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: apt-cache policy?
[07:09] <ScottK> There's look up the package on LP and see if a new one has been published....
[07:09] <imbrandon> ScottK, progmaticly silly ;)
[07:09] <imbrandon> anyhow i think policy will work
[07:09] <imbrandon> installed / canidate seem to look good
[07:09] <imbrandon> thanks lifeless / Hobbsee 
[07:18] <RAOF> crimsun: Tested, works.
[07:18] <crimsun> RAOF: thanks for the comment!
[07:31] <crimsun> I've updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU to reflect an actual universe source package (cinepaint, bug 65457) instead of main's cpio
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65457 in cinepaint "[SRU]  cinepaint has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65457
[07:32] <bddebian> Gnight gang
[07:32] <crimsun> 'night barry
[07:42] <tritium> Do I need to set OTHERMIRROR, or can I uncomment the COMPONENTS line in the pbuilderrc file?
[07:43] <RAOF> I just did pbuilder login, and edited /etc/apt/source.list there.
[07:43] <LaserJock> tritium: I use OTHERMIRROR
[07:43] <tritium> Thanks :)
[07:43] <RAOF> Although I should probably add dapper updates, security, etc to my pbuilder anyway :)
[07:44] <tritium> I'm following the "Multiple pbuilders" wiki section
[07:46] <LaserJock> tritium: I've got a multiple pbuiler script
[07:46] <LaserJock> similar to the one that comes with pbuilder
[07:46] <tritium> I'm using the one from /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/pbuilder-distribution.sh
[07:46] <tritium> But editing it according to the wik
[07:46] <tritium> wiki
[07:46] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/pbuilder-feisty
[07:47] <tritium> Thanks, LaserJock 
[07:47] <lotusleaf> that <b> is oddly erotic
[07:48] <LaserJock> I just throw that into ~/bin and mkdir -p ~/pbuilder/feisty_result/
[07:48] <LaserJock> lotusleaf: ?
[07:48] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: indeed
[07:49] <tritium> Looks identical to what I'm using, other than $BASE_DIR
[07:49] <LaserJock> tritium: ok, well you were doing it right then ;-)
[07:51] <tritium> :)
[07:57] <tritium> LaserJock: oh, but how do I make that an amd64 pbuilder?
[07:58] <tritium> i.e., where do I specify the arch?
[07:59] <crimsun> your host machine is an amd64, I presume
[07:59] <crimsun> in that case you don't have to do anything special
[07:59] <tritium> Yes, but I installed i386 Desktop
[08:00] <crimsun> err, then you'll end up with an ia32 pbuilde
[08:00] <tritium> ugh
[08:00] <crimsun> got an amd64 desktop cd? ;)
[08:02] <crimsun> no, you only need to boot the desktop [live]  cd, edit sources.list, update, install speex and libogg0, and test speexenc
[08:02] <tritium> Okay, now that I can do.  ;)
[08:02] <crimsun> depending on your network connection, it should take about 15 minutes tops (including booting into the desktop environment)
[08:03] <crimsun> (it does, however, need to be an amd64 desktop cd)
[08:04] <tritium> I see there are only dvd isos now on cdimage.  3.2G in 15 minutes on 1.5Mbps DSL?  probably not...
[08:05] <crimsun> do you prefer gnome or kde?
[08:05] <tritium> gnome
[08:06] <crimsun> http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/ubuntu-releases/6.06.1/ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:07] <tritium> thanks, crimsun 
[08:08] <tritium> I would not have found that
[08:14] <tritium> crimsun: It'll be a while.  I'll download .iso overnight, burn and test tomorrow.
[08:14] <crimsun> tritium: sure, thanks
[08:15] <tritium> No, thank you.  I'm too rusty to do anything useful without pointers.
[08:15] <crimsun> np
[08:18] <tritium> Wow, did you see the fedora-devel-list post from ESR?
[08:18] <crimsun> (he's present in this channel ;)
[08:18] <tritium> :)
[08:18] <tritium> Well, that rocks!
[08:18] <zakame> quite
[08:19] <imbrandon> so is he gonna actualy start some packin ?
[08:19] <imbrandon> heh
[08:19] <lotusleaf> a delicious development
[08:19] <tritium> Nice to meet you, esr :)
[08:20] <zakame> tasty
[08:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: he and jordan briefly discussed some docbook/man page issues
[08:20] <imbrandon> nice
[08:21] <tritium> crimsun: I need #ubuntu-motu-remedial ;)
[08:21] <imbrandon> heh tritium 
[08:22] <tritium> imbrandon: :)
[08:23] <LaserJock> tritium: don't worry, so do I
[08:23] <tritium> No way, LaserJock.
[08:24] <imbrandon> moins LaserJock 
[08:24] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[08:24] <imbrandon> so you was givin esr the lowdown ;)
[08:24] <LaserJock> lol, no
[08:24] <LaserJock> he asked how to get *all* Ubuntu man pages
[08:25] <highvoltage> hie hie
[08:25] <LaserJock> so I told him he could just mirror the repos and then extract out the .debs and grab the files form usr/share/man/
[08:25] <LaserJock> also pointed to the doc team
[08:26] <LaserJock> and he joined #ubuntu-doc and the ML
[08:26] <LaserJock> lol
[08:26] <tritium> s/affect/effects
[08:43] <imbrandon> haha
[08:43] <imbrandon> LaserJock, cool
[08:46] <tritium> LaserJock: I setup my GPG key with my old purdue.edu email that's no longer valid.  Should I create a new one, or just add new emails to my old one?
[08:47] <LaserJock> tritium: I'm not really sure
[08:48] <LaserJock> I just added on to mine
[08:48] <tritium> Do you have any invalid emails on yours?
[08:48] <LaserJock> no invalid
[08:48] <LaserJock> sort of obselete
[08:48] <LaserJock> but not invalid
[08:49] <tritium> I see..
[08:49] <imbrandon> purdue ... i have a few buddies that grad from there
[08:49] <imbrandon> infact ones named brandon too ;)
[08:49] <tritium> imbrandon: count me in ;)
[08:50] <imbrandon> hum LaserJock help me pick a domain name for a cool ubuntu-ish jabber server
[08:50] <imbrandon> well jabber/webmail
[08:51] <lotusleaf> tritium: you could always make a new one and sign it with your old one
[08:51] <lotusleaf> then revoke the old one
[08:52] <imbrandon> if you revoke the old one the sig is invalad isnt it?
[08:52] <lotusleaf> you can still sign with it I believe but it's listed as revoked
[08:53] <tritium> lotusleaf: ah, interesting idea
[08:53] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[08:53] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[08:53] <lotusleaf> so sign then revoke if you really want a new one tied to old one
[08:53] <tritium> Thanks.
[08:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: is it for ubuntu stuff?
[08:53] <lotusleaf> np or as suggested add email to your current one
[08:54] <imbrandon> LaserJock, yea i have been toying with the idea to put up a free jabber/webmail server for ubuntu users
[08:54] <imbrandon> something like @ubuntu-is-the-best.com but cooler
[08:54] <imbrandon> heh
[08:55] <siretart> \sh_away: thanks for fixing jabberme.net! :)
[08:55] <lotusleaf> shouldn't that be kubuntu-is-the-best? :P
[08:55] <imbrandon> heh
[08:56] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ubuntuwire.com, ubucom.com, uberbuntu.com ;-), talkbuntu.com
[08:56] <tritium> jabbuntu?
[08:56] <LaserJock> yeah, maybe
[08:57] <imbrandon> ubuntuwire hum, now thats cool 
[08:57] <LaserJock> it's hard to think of something that would be both IM and email
[08:57] <lotusleaf> ubuntuchain :)
[08:57] <siretart> imbrandon: are you still interested in maintaining a sparc machine?
[08:57] <imbrandon> siretart, yes
[08:58] <tritium> This 68kb/s is killing me...
[08:58] <LaserJock> I bet
[08:58] <siretart> imbrandon: I talked to michael at my department, he said that we had some spare sparc, which I could setup for you, so you can do stuff with it
[08:58] <imbrandon> nice , that would be awesome
[08:59] <imbrandon> if someone puts a base load + ssh on it i can do intergrate it nicely with the othersa
[08:59] <imbrandon> s/othersa/others
[09:07] <tritium> Good night, all.
[09:08] <imbrandon> gnight tritium 
[09:10] <LaserJock> cya tritium 
[09:16] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[09:17] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:34] <ajmitch> morning dholbach 
[09:34] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:36] <imbrandon> Laser_away, w00t ubutnuwire.com is mine now :)
[09:36] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[09:36] <ajmitch> ubutnu?
[09:36] <siretart> imbrandon: ok, an ultra 10 could be ready RSN (perhaps even today), and there might be even an ultra 60 spare (but we would have to look for that). do you think an ultra 10 is okay?
[09:36] <siretart> hey dholbach, hi ajmitch 
[09:37] <imbrandon> siretart, sure, i dont imagine it would be heavly used
[09:37] <siretart> ok
[09:37] <imbrandon> siretart, thanks a ton for doing that btw
[09:38] <dholbach> hey siretart
[09:39] <ajmitch> hi siretart 
[09:39] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[09:39] <dholbach> hiya imbrandon
[09:39] <giftnudel> Would anyone like look at a package I created to decide if it is correctly done (and tell me what is wrong)?
[09:39] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[09:39] <imbrandon> giftnudel, umm intrest in the package themselfs? really hard to tell ones motives
[09:40] <giftnudel> If so, you can download it at hubackup.um-gottes-willen.net .
[09:40] <giftnudel> imbrandon: i'm not sure I get what you are trying to say
[09:40] <imbrandon> dholbach, good, looks like siretart is getting me a sparc to add to the motu buildd farm and i just got a new domain to play with
[09:40] <imbrandon> and umm hehe
[09:40] <dholbach> ROCK
[09:41] <imbrandon> giftnudel, sorry misunderstood you
[09:41] <imbrandon> there is a tool we use called revu for that 
[09:41] <imbrandon> check out the link in the topic giftnudel 
[09:41] <giftnudel> yes, I can upload it there
[09:45] <giftnudel> I joined the team, the wiki says I should now ask you to resync the keys ;)
[09:48] <imbrandon> that would be a siretart or ajmitch job as i'm not in the sudoer yet to sync the keys on tiber iirc
[09:48] <imbrandon> unless ajmitch or siretart fixed it hehe
[09:49] <ajmitch> see tiber MOTD
[09:49] <Kagou> amsg hi
[09:49] <Kagou> hi
[09:49] <giftnudel> I should try to build the package with feisty first anyway, since it's build with dapper right now ...
[09:50] <giftnudel> ehm, egdy not dapper ...
[09:50] <imbrandon> ahh ajmitch nice
[09:50] <imbrandon> giftnudel, key syncing now, should be done shortly
[09:51] <giftnudel> imbrandon: thanks
[09:58] <imbrandon> giftnudel, key is syncd now , should be good to go
[10:00] <giftnudel> yes, I need to make some preparations first ... (install dput and so on)
[10:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:26] <ajmitch> so that I can stay up late tomorrow night :)
[10:26] <imbrandon> hey ajmitch wanna help me test this jabber server real fast ?
[10:27] <imbrandon> i think its setup right /me is looking
[10:27] <imbrandon> it let me register an account, going through the settings now
[10:28] <ajmitch> hm
[10:28] <ajmitch> make it quick :)
[10:29] <imbrandon> message me at imbrandon@ubuntuwire.com
[10:30] <ajmitch> night all
[10:30] <imbrandon> gnight
[10:31] <imbrandon> thanks
[10:31] <dholbach> nightie ajmitch
[10:31] <dholbach> ajmitch: read my mail?
[10:38] <imbrandon> heh
[10:54] <tepsipakki> is it possible to get new bugfix-releases to universe after FF? I've been swamped with xorg, so vdr has not seen the love it should've had..
[10:54] <tepsipakki> I guess getting new packages in is not possible
[10:56] <dholbach> tepsipakki: they'll sure get considered for a uvf exception if you file one
[10:56] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-9523bc4076ff011324d67cddc97969ec609618d6
[10:58] <tepsipakki> ok, thanks. Hopefully I'll have time for them next week..
[11:13] <giftnudel> imbrandon: I uploaded it now, but be nice with me ...
[11:23] <giskard> i'm in time for an UVF?
[11:24] <dholbach> giskard: sure - we'll consider UVF exceptions until some days before release
[11:25] <giskard> oki :) news about libtp?
[11:26] <giskard> morning dholbach :)
[11:26] <dholbach> prod one of the other motu-uvf team members - I gave my (one) ok already
[11:37] <giftnudel> also, if my upload doesn't show up on revu, I should say that here ;) (I uploaded 20 minutes ago)
[12:29] <cbx33> what's the best way to write a man page?
[12:41] <TheMuso> cbx33: I just tend to take a sample of another, and use that as a base. :)
[12:48] <imbrandon> moins TheMuso 
[12:48] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[12:48] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Do you still use dh for email?
[12:48] <imbrandon> no
[12:48] <imbrandon> the only thing i use DH for is dns and Seveas's mirror 
[12:49] <imbrandon> and dns will soon move away 
[12:49] <TheMuso> Right.
[12:49] <imbrandon> wasup?
[12:50] <TheMuso> Nothing now, its just that dh are having internal dns problems atm.
[12:50] <TheMuso> Which effects email.
[12:50] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:50] <TheMuso> s/effects/affects/
[12:50] <imbrandon> that sucks
[12:50] <TheMuso> yeah
[12:51] <TheMuso> they;ve sorted it now. Just have to wait for caches to expire.
[12:51] <imbrandon> i just got the jabber/email domain last night
[12:51] <imbrandon> i got the jabber server setup but not the email or website yet
[12:51] <TheMuso> Cool.
[12:51] <imbrandon> ubuntuwire.com :)
[12:53] <TheMuso> cool
[12:53] <TheMuso> will have to check it out some time
[12:54] <cbx33> TheMuso: so you edit the actual man script?
[01:45] <Tonio_> hi
[01:46] <Tonio_> someone here to revu this ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4441
[01:46] <Tonio_> that's important for kubuntu usability spec....
[01:52] <Tonio_> dholbach: ping ? :)
[01:54] <dholbach> Tonio_: pong
[01:54] <Tonio_> dholbach: may I take 5 minutes of your time to revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4441 ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> needs one approval for upload....
[01:55] <dholbach> Tonio_: I was just about to go out for a dogwalk - i'll do it when i come back, ok?
[01:56] <Tonio_> dholbach: of course, thanks :)
[01:56] <dholbach> ok cool
[02:17] <Adri2000> geser: damn, mon_0.99.2-10ubuntu1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.99.2-10ubuntu1 <= 0.99.2-10ubuntu1, you are too fast for me :p
[02:21] <geser> Adri2000: you should have uploaded 30 min earlier
[02:22] <Adri2000> I uploaded 5 min later :-(
[02:27] <kr4z> anybody here know why linuxdcpp is failing to build from source?
[02:28] <kr4z> apparently the source package has been in ubuntu since dapper, however it doesn't seem to compile
[02:28] <geser> ScottK: are you planing to merge courier?
[02:29] <ScottK> Didn't notice there was a new version.
[02:29] <ScottK> Let me look and see if it seems worthwhile or if it can wait...
[02:30] <lionel> Oh yes, merging that's a good idea ! I'll take care of bitlbee, uw-imap right now
[02:30] <ScottK> OK.
[02:30] <ScottK> The last update was just a couple of template translations.
[02:30] <geser> ScottK: according to the debian-devel-changes mail it fixes a RC bug
[02:30] <lionel> if someone have time to have a look on tapioca on REVU, it would make me happy :)
[02:30] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds like I should definitely look into it.
[02:34] <fishy_penguin> hi, I've been to the motu wiki and i'm confused as to where i should file a request
[02:34] <geser> kr4z: check why it doesn't find pkg-config although it's installed
[02:35] <fishy_penguin> it's an existing .deb that isn't in a debian repository but works fine in ubuntu
[02:36] <kr4z> geser: it looks like it only does that on the build servers
[02:37] <kr4z> geser: I've built the source package myself and it seems to work fine
[02:38] <geser> kr4z: I see it uses scons. That probably the same bug that prevents that xmms2 can be build on the buildds.
[02:38] <kr4z> was it fixed for xmms2?
[02:39] <geser> kr4z: no, I'm now waiting till this bug gets fixed
[02:50] <kr4z> geser: do you know when the scons bug is supposed to be fixed?
[02:56] <geser> kr4z: unfortunately no. It's not a bug in scons but probably a bug in the buildd software itself.
[02:56] <kr4z> ah, I see
[02:57] <geser> I've already mailed the person who can fix it and hope that it moves soon to the top of his TODO list
[02:58] <kr4z> is there a bug filed anywhere for it?
[03:00] <geser> no, but I should probably do it
[03:01] <kr4z> ah, I see
[03:01] <kr4z> well, if you do, would you mind letting me know
[03:01] <kr4z> ?
[03:01] <geser> once I figure out where to file bugs
[03:02] <kr4z> ah
[03:02] <geser> cure
[03:02] <kr4z> heh
[03:02] <geser> sure
[03:02] <kr4z> thanks
[03:28] <dholbach> Tonio_: does /usr/share/apps/klavier/icons/hicolor/... make sense in the kde world?
[03:29] <Tonio_> dholbach: yes
[03:29] <dholbach> strange... but ok :)
[03:29] <Tonio_> dholbach: can be ;)
[03:33] <dholbach> Tonio_: advocated
[03:34] <Tonio_> dholbach: thanks, will upload :)
[03:34] <afflux> what is the right distribution to use if I upload a package to revu now?
[03:34] <afflux> still feisty?
[03:34] <dholbach> afflux: yes
[03:35] <afflux> k, thanks
[03:45] <GNUro> 'lo!
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:11] <siretart> hey bddebian!
[04:14] <bddebian> Hi siretart
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya givre
[04:17] <givre> heya bddebian :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> heya 
[04:25] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:26] <siretart> bah, ubuntu-installer/sparc doesn't like 2 graphic cards
[04:27] <jwhitlark> Hi imbrandon
[04:27] <imbrandon> hrm is there no tzdata for dapper?
[04:31] <zul> dholbach: you might not want to post the beta.launchpad.url to the -devel mailing list ;)
[04:31] <dholbach> $"&)/"$)&/"$&)/"$&
[04:31] <dholbach> too late
[04:32] <dholbach> launchpad-users@ is full of beta discussions - they're not exactly private either
[04:32] <dholbach> but yeah
[04:32] <zul> see someone reads your email :)
[04:32] <dholbach> would have been nice to avoid that
[04:32] <imbrandon> hrm whats the equiv on tzdata on dapper?
[04:32] <imbrandon> tha package?
[04:33] <dholbach> locales?
[04:33] <imbrandon> is that the same ?
[04:33] <dholbach> not the same, but I think it was split out from there
[04:33] <imbrandon> ok
[04:33] <dholbach> but I don't know for sure
[04:34] <dholbach> at least: 
[04:34] <imbrandon> hum ok 
[04:34] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show tzdata | grep Replaces
[04:34] <dholbach> Replaces: libc0.1, libc0.3, libc6, libc6.1, locales
[04:34] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[04:34] <imbrandon> :)
[04:38] <siretart> imbrandon: I hope 40GB harddisk is enough
[04:39] <imbrandon> siretart, plenty
[04:40] <siretart> k. I had to rip it from a spare pc here ;)
[04:55] <ScottK> geser: The courier merge is building now (plus one additional bug fix).
[05:11] <siretart> imbrandon: ssh imbrandon@sparky.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
[05:25] <geser> kr4z: it's bug #87077
[05:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87077 in soyuz "The build of xmms2 fails because of HASH(0x82db558)="" in the environment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87077
[05:54] <cbx33> what happens if someone leaves it so long before updating that they are skipping an update to a deb
[05:54] <cbx33> does that matter?
[05:54] <cbx33> for example
[05:54] <cbx33> pacakge-0.1 to package-0.3
[05:57] <Laser_away> cbx33: I don't really know why it would
[05:57] <Laser_away> cbx33: if there are  alot of packages that depend on it it might be fun
[05:57] <geser> the package should support the update from the last Ubuntu release to the current one
[05:58] <cbx33> ok
[06:04] <Toadstool> g'morning
[06:05] <Toadstool> great! MOTU Council at 2am
[06:05] <bddebian> heh, heya Toadstool
[06:06] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[06:07] <Toadstool> oh well, i'm useless anyway, i'll read the meeting minutes
[06:08] <bddebian> Toadstool: Join the club :)
[06:08] <Toadstool> heh
[06:08] <gpocentek> Toadstool: it's 11am in France, that's GREAT :)
[06:09] <Toadstool> hey gpocentek 
[06:09] <gpocentek> hello!
[06:09] <bddebian> Heya gpocentek
[06:10] <Toadstool> how is it going?
[06:10] <gpocentek> very busy...
[06:17] <mafix> hi all, i want build a source package with a feisty pbuilder and became the fallowing error? /session-glue.c:60: undefined reference to `IceInitThreads'
[06:18] <mafix> did some one know which package are missing on the dependency list? it isn't libice or libsm
[06:18] <mafix> or which special rule has to be defined.
[06:21] <afflux> anyone want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4442 ?
[06:23] <bddebian> mafix: looking
[06:23] <bddebian> mafix: libice6-dev I think
[06:24] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe just libice-dev
[06:25] <mafix> bddebian yes just libice-dev but it's allready in the build-deps list
[06:26] <bddebian> Hmm, could be a source problem?  Might be including the wrong header or not including a header or so?
[06:29] <mafix> not really, if i compile the source with autotools outside of the chroot it works.. 
[06:29] <ScottK> bddebian: Courier is calling you again....  See bug #87099
[06:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87099 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87099
[06:29] <bddebian> ScottK: Get off the crack man :)
[06:30] <bddebian> mafix: What do you mean by "with autotools" ?
[06:32] <mafix> bddebian: sorry i' mean in the normal way with ./configure and make... on a test workstation with feisty
[06:33] <bddebian> mafix: Is this new packaging or an existing package?
[06:35] <mafix> no it isn't real existing package - it's tangerine - someone others has it all ready uploaded to revu for 3 months 
[06:35] <tsmithe> bddebian, you think i'll still be able to get enblend in?
[06:36] <bddebian> tsmithe: No clue man, sorry
[06:36] <bddebian> mafix: Does it build from what was on REVU or is that what you are trying to build?
[06:38] <mafix> bddebian: no it's a new source package build up from the org. source.. it has nothing to do with the uploaded one.. 
[06:42] <bddebian> mafix: OK.  Sorry but I have to run to lunch.  I would grab the package from REVU just to see what they used for the build-deps, etc.
[06:42] <mafix> bddebian: the uploaded one won't build because it misses the Mono specified rule - setting the MONO_SHARED_DIR
[06:47] <imbrandon> siretart, rockin , thank you very much
[06:47] <imbrandon> siretart, i'll work on getting it ready tonight , i must sleep now though heh
[06:51] <imbrandon> siretart, see PM when your non afk ;)
[06:52] <imbrandon> gnight all
[06:52] <tsmithe> night imbrandon 
[06:58] <pochu> hello folks!
[07:26] <igor> hi all.. I know that its "crossposting". But my questions will be buried under ubuntu-users. And isn't a common user question. Then I will ask here ... (sorry 4 that)
[07:26] <igor> I want do a default ubuntu install (ok), then install some addictional packages (i will do this using FAI) (ok). But I want to do some configurations. As: Change GDM background color. Set default user fonts. Set default user background. Configure browser. (I know that I can do this using gconf/mandatory). Right now what I do: I create a package called mydesktop-1.0. this package depends everything that I want install. Inside this package I have a couple o
[07:26] <igor> f files (as gdm.custom or /etc/rc.local) that I overwrite over the defaults ones (bad cause I keep recieving that "You want overwrite or keep local settings", I want avoid this). And bad too cause a update can mess with all my configs. and Gconf keys I activate in postinst scripts. This is a good practice? There is better ways to do it? If so. There is somewhere to read about this?
[07:31] <LaserJock> morning MOTU Land!
[07:32] <tsmithe> hiya LaserJock 
[07:32] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:33] <igor> LaserJock: hu!!
[07:34] <tsmithe> tonyyarusso, you're not that l337
[07:34] <bddebian> heh
[07:34] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: lol
[07:34] <LaserJock> I'm not sure it'll do you much good unless you get my gpg key too ;-)
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> tsmithe: too true
[07:35] <tsmithe> LaserJock, bddebian, could you review enblend <http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4445> (again) and hopefully upload (it could make it!) :) sistpoty fixed building on amd64, and i think i've got all the other issues sorted
[07:36] <LaserJock> tsmithe: *I'm* not that l337
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Nah, I only need your ns pw.  This is just for ego boosting, not actual impersonation ;)
[07:36] <tsmithe> LaserJock, hehe :P
[07:36] <LaserJock> I'm just a chemistry student who loves Ubuntu
[07:36] <tsmithe> :)
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> RAOF_: machine down?
[07:42] <bddebian> tsmithe: I can try when I get home.  I can't build it on my Edgy machine (not enough RAM)
[07:43] <tsmithe> hehe danke
[07:43] <bddebian> mafix: Any luck?
[07:46] <siretart> imbrandon: should be all in place :)
[07:47] <siretart> bddebian: the machine isn't in our server room yet, but I'll notice you before I move it
[07:47] <bddebian> siretart: ??
[07:48] <siretart> argl
[07:48] <siretart> s/bddebian/imbrandon/
[07:48] <siretart> :)
[07:48] <bddebian> :-)
[07:49] <siretart> wow. over 4400 uploads in revu already..
[07:52] <LaserJock> I should try to do another REVU report
[08:03] <ScottK> Is it permissable to hard-code program names into init scripts?  The courier init script can't seem to find itself unless called with the full path.  I've tried to figure out why and have failed.  If I change the restart script to call /etc/init.d/courier-imap (for example) instead of $0, then it works.
[08:13] <swarog> hello
[08:13] <swarog> any ideas why importing key to launchpad.net is failing to pickup key from keyserver.ubuntu.com ?
[08:15] <tsmithe> ask in #launchpad maybe?
[08:18] <swarog> none responds heh
[08:18] <tsmithe> sorry mate
[08:18] <LaserJock> give it a little more time perhaps
[08:18] <tsmithe> yeah
[08:19] <tsmithe> that's just what i was bout to say
[08:19] <ScottK> LaserJock: Any thoughts on my init script question above?
[08:19] <swarog> tsmithe: can you check published key?
[08:20] <tsmithe> i have not much wisdom in the path of gpglightenment
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> Should this worry me?  "dpkg-architecture: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)"
[08:20] <lotusleaf> someone entered a related bug in lp several hours ago
[08:20] <tsmithe> tonyyarusso, no
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> k
[08:20] <tsmithe> ignore it :)
[08:20] <LaserJock> ScottK: well, I'm not really sure. but it seems odd to me that $0 wouldn't work
[08:21] <ScottK> Agreed that it's odd.  I'm about out of ideas, thus the question about hackery.
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> is giskard around?
[08:22] <giskard> yes
[08:23] <LaserJock> ScottK: maybe ask -devel?
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> giskard: I was wondering if you could explain the line in Nvu's debian/rules, "if [ ! -d mozilla ] ; then tar xjf nvu*bz2; fi"
[08:24] <giskard> if mozilla/ doesn't exist then untar it 
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> I'm trying to adapt that for kompozer, and pbuilder does not find a source tarball, when looking in /tmp/buildd/kompozer-0.7.7, which makes sense.
[08:24] <ScottK> I will shortly if no one else here has any ideas.  Thanks.
[08:24] <tonyyarusso> The current working directory seems to be the part that's an issue - did you use pbuilder successfully with this?
[08:24] <giskard> "if [ ! -d mozilla ] ; then tar xjf kompozer*bz2; fi"
[08:25] <afflux> anyone want to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4442 ? thank you
[08:25] <geser> ScottK: which error does the init-script generate?
[08:26] <tonyyarusso> giskard: I'm not really sure what pbuilder does underneath, but does that tarball get copied into its environment, and if so, how/where?
[08:27] <giskard> pbuilder unpack the orig.tar.gz in a new chroot
[08:27] <giskard> so if the kompozer.tar.bz is in the orig.tar.gz all should work fine
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> What tells it where to get it from?
[08:27] <ScottK> geser: If I call it from etc/init.d with just the script name (sudo sh courier-imap restart) I get courier-imap:100 courier-imap not found.  If I call it with the full path (sudo sh wtc/init.d/courier-imap restart) it works fine.
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> mozilla/ is in the orig.tar.gz, not kompozer.tar.bz2, as it stands right now.
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> maybe that's my issue
[08:28] <giskard> nah, please ship the kompozer.tarbz
[08:28] <giskard>  and not mozilla
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> I see.
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> I'll give that a try.
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> So I want a kompozer_0.7.7.orig.tar.gz which contains a kompozer.tar.bz2 which in turn contains mozilla/, correct?
[08:36] <giskard> yes
[08:38] <geser> ScottK: try sudo ./courier-imap restart
[08:39] <ScottK> geser: That works.
[08:39] <ScottK> What does that mean?
[08:40] <geser> ScottK: ./ is not in $PATH and the init-script searches for courier-imap in $PATH
[08:40] <ScottK> So I need to add /etc/init.d to $PATH?
[08:41] <geser> if you add the path (either relative or absolute) $0 contains also the path
[08:41] <geser> yes, that would also work
[08:41] <igor> (sorry 4 repost my question) I want do a default ubuntu install (ok), then install some addictional packages (i will do this using FAI) (ok). But I want to do some configurations. As: Change GDM background color. Set default user fonts. Set default user background. Configure browser. (I know that I can do this using gconf/mandatory). Right now what I do: I create a package called mydesktop-1.0. this package depends everything that I want install. Inside t
[08:41] <igor> his package I have a couple of files (as gdm.custom or /etc/rc.local) that I overwrite over the defaults ones (bad cause I keep recieving that "You want overwrite or keep local settings", I want avoid this). And bad too cause a update can mess with all my configs. and Gconf keys I activate in postinst scripts. This is a good practice? There is better ways to do it? If so. There is somewhere to read about this?
[08:42] <zul> igor: this cahnnel isnt for support
[08:42] <igor> zul: is this support?
[08:42] <zul> sounds like it
[08:42] <igor> zul: im asking about config feeding and packaging to build ubuntu custom installs.
[08:43] <igor> zul: where can I ask about this?
[08:43] <igor> zul: ubuntu-users dont seems a proper place to me.
[08:43] <ScottK> geser or anyone: Shell scripting is something I have very limited experience with.  I'd appreciate a point to appropriate documentation so I can try and figure this out.
[08:44] <zul> its probbaly not this channel since your question is for a personal package you might want to check the wiki
[08:44] <_MMA_> igor: You can do alot of what you want with a live disk and Reconstructor.
[08:44] <_MMA_> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[08:45] <igor> _MMA_: I want to do networked installations. ;-)  but I will check it.. can help me.. 
[08:45] <LaserJock> igor: I'd look more into FAI documentation
[08:45] <igor> zul: thank you. ;-) _MMA_ thank you too ;-)
[08:45] <_MMA_> It will do alot graphically but some will have to be done in chroot.
[08:45] <_MMA_> np
[08:46] <LaserJock> few of us do large network installs I think
[08:46] <igor> _MMA_: I prefer not graphically...
[08:46] <igor> LaserJock: I want to install ubuntu in a educational institute, near 500 installs.
[08:47] <igor> LaserJock: btw LaserJock, talking about packaging. What is the better way to set some configurations? replacing files? doing postinst scripts? 
[08:48] <LaserJock> igor: making your own versions of the packages
[08:48] <LaserJock> igor: it's not good to just replace files
[08:48] <geser> ScottK: there is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide (abs-guide) but I don't know if it helps you in this case
[08:48] <igor> LaserJock: yeah. I know.
[08:49] <LaserJock> according to Debian Policy you can't replace or modify a config file "owned" by another package
[08:49] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[08:49] <geser> ScottK: better would be the COMMAND EXECUTION section of the bash manpage
[08:49] <igor> ScottK: what you want to know?
[08:49] <igor> ScottK: im very good with shell scripts ;-)
[08:49] <LaserJock> igor: creating your own versions of the pacackages, IMO, is the best way to go
[08:50] <LaserJock> igor: that way it is also clear that you and not Ubuntu made the changes
[08:50] <igor> LaserJock: then I should create my own gdm package  GDM.conf just to change the color background?
[08:51] <igor> LaserJock: doing this I will have a lot of work. As compile gnome, just to set some default gconf keys.
[08:51] <LaserJock> yep
[08:52] <zul> why not write a script?
[08:52] <LaserJock> I was trying to encourage the "proper" way ;-)
[08:53] <LaserJock> from a packaging perspective anyway
[08:53] <LaserJock> from a sys admin perspective I'd probably write a post installation script that tweaked everything
[08:53] <zul> by rebuilding packages? why bother when you want to rename some keys...but anyways..
[08:53] <LaserJock> zul: if you want the changes distributable as a package
[08:54] <igor> LaserJock: 
[08:54] <zul> do a kickstart type install and then after run the script
[08:54] <LaserJock> exactly
[08:54] <LaserJock> I think FAI has support for that kind of thing
[08:54] <igor> yes it is
[08:55] <LaserJock> that's why I suggested looking at the FAI docs first
[08:55] <igor> LaserJock: I have looked. and read them. But. I want to be able to apply my confs in already installed systems. Conf package seems a good thing 4 me. As ubuntu-artwork does.
[08:56] <igor> when you install kubuntu-artwork it changes a lot of things, as your background, usplash and other things.
[09:00] <ajmitch> morning
[09:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:00] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[09:00] <ScottK> geser: Explicitly setting $PATH seems to solve it, so I'm going to go with that.
[09:05] <geser> ScottK: this is only necessary when you want to call the init-script without a path
[09:06] <ScottK> Yes, but that's the bug I'm trying to fix.
[09:07] <ScottK> If /etc/init.d is the cwd, I can call sudo sh postfix restart and it works (the postfix init sets PATH), but unless I change it, the courier inits fail.
[09:07] <ScottK> So it seems reasonable to add the PATH statement...
[09:07] <ajmitch> you shoul probably use invoke-rc.d
[09:08] <ScottK> ajmitch: The inits are installed when the package is installed, I'm not installing it manually.
[09:08] <ScottK> Perhaps the courier package isn't doing the init install correctly?
[09:20] <tonyyarusso> So close it hurts to watch...
[09:21] <geser> ScottK: why do you try to call it without a path?
[09:23] <ScottK> geser: Because it seems reasonable that it should work if called that way from etc/init.d - other inits that I've tested work when you do that...
[09:23] <ScottK> If I'm trying to fix something that's not technically broken, I'll stop...
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> Okay, now I've got this error when trying to build:
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> nsStackFrameUnix.cpp: In function 'void DumpStackToFile(FILE*)':
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> nsStackFrameUnix.cpp:96: error: 'JB_BP' was not declared in this scope
[09:25] <tonyyarusso> make[5] : *** [nsStackFrameUnix.o]  Error 1
[09:28] <geser> ScottK: I usually call scripts not in $PATH with the pathname or ./scriptname
[09:29] <ScottK> Hmmm.  I guess the question is then, should /etc/init.d be in $PATH for an init script.  Any thoughts/suggestions on where to find the requirement...
[09:30] <tsmithe> geser, could you do a review for me?
[09:31] <geser> ScottK: I haven't read of such a requirement and I guess it's really seldom to call a init-script without a path
[09:31] <geser> tsmithe: which package?
[09:32] <tsmithe> enblend
[09:32] <tsmithe> do you think it could still get in? not past ff yet :P
[09:32] <tsmithe> i worked really hard on it yesterday, but unfortunately there was a niggling copyright issue, but by that time it was 1am and i'd gone to bed :S
[09:33] <geser> is there a time set when FF starts today?
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> geser: I was told not really.
[09:35] <tsmithe> geser, hope not
[09:35] <tsmithe> so that's why i'm quite eager to get it uploaded :)
[09:36] <jharr> So I'm installing falcon to build a small repository for my packages that I'm building.
[09:36] <jharr> and falcon needs apt.py, but I can't find it.
[09:36] <jharr> any ideas?
[09:36] <tsmithe> !python-apt
[09:36] <tsmithe> maybe?
[09:36] <ubotu> python-apt: Python interface to libapt-pkg. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.19ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 142 kB, installed size 528 kB
[09:37] <jharr> ahh, cool.
[09:37] <jharr> apt-file didn't pick it up :)
[09:37] <tsmithe> i'm not sure
[09:37] <tsmithe> just a guess on my part
[09:37] <jharr> ahh, right apt/__init__.py
[09:37] <jharr> thx
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> Could someone who actually knows anything about source code help me understand and fix the error pasted above?
[09:40] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: google shows plenty of stuff about that
[09:40] <ajmitch> some about that specific error
[09:41] <ajmitch> like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=208878&action=edit
[09:41] <tonyyarusso> Yeah?  All righty, that might help.  (This is the part where knowing some tiny morsel about the code would help, eh?)
[09:41] <ajmitch> or a simpler http://trac.opensde.org/attachment/ticket/246/JB_BP.patch
[09:41] <tsmithe> ajmitch, wanna ack the latest enblend?
[09:42] <ajmitch> not having seen the code, I don't know which will apply, probably the latter :)
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: Thanks
[09:42] <ajmitch> yeah, knowin the code of something you're packaging is a good start
[09:50] <tsmithe> dpatch!!
[09:50] <zul> dpatch is evil
[09:51] <LaserJock> don't mind zul, he volunteered to look after Xen, there's obviously something wrong there ;-p
[09:51] <swarog> ok, now i have to be added to 'ubuntu universe contributors team' :)
[09:52] <zul> LaserJock: people say Im sick in the head
[09:52] <LaserJock> must be that Canadian water
[09:52] <ajmitch> zul: I don't understand why..
[09:52] <zul> LaserJock: its the aquafina..
[09:53] <swarog> hmm, "Next, ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu or at [MAILTO]  keyring@tiber.tauware.de to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring, which grants you upload rights to REVU."
[09:53] <zul> mmmm....detroit river water..
[09:53] <swarog> so im asking
[09:53] <ajmitch> tsmithe: please don't
[09:53] <LaserJock> I got it
[09:54] <zul> i dont like to be poked..
[09:54] <geser> tsmithe: enblend FTBFS on amd64: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7092/
[09:55] <tsmithe> what the!!
[09:55] <swarog> couldnt crontab do the resync?
[09:55] <ajmitch> swarog: it does
[09:55] <tsmithe> geser, sistpoty fixed that and successfully built it yesterday :S
[09:56] <tsmithe> maybe the patch isn't applying :S
[09:56] <ajmitch> but people like to be able to upload about 2 seconds after joining the team
[09:56] <swarog> than put crontab to work on 1min :D
[09:56] <ajmitch> it takes up to about 10 minutes to sync
[09:57] <swarog> ah i c
[09:57] <LaserJock> lol, Mark Shuttleworth just floated by
[09:58] <lifeless> where?
[09:58] <tonyyarusso> like, literally?  How much did he pay for the magic carpet?
[09:58] <LaserJock> I guess he should count ;-)
[09:58] <geser> tsmithe: 01-anneal_identical_types_64bit.screwed not applied to ./ .
[09:58] <LaserJock> in the keyring sync
[09:58] <tsmithe> geser, ah...
[09:58] <ajmitch> I'd expect he'd be in the keyring, being in the TB
[09:58] <tsmithe> hmm
[09:59] <ajmitch> oh well, it's after universe feature freeze anyway
[09:59] <tsmithe> not after quite yet ;)
[09:59] <LaserJock> thank goodness
[10:00] <swarog> i guess i could build package on debian and upload it since its a perl script
[10:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: turn off revu? :)
[10:00] <tsmithe> noooo!
[10:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yes :-)
[10:01] <tonyyarusso> Yes, not quite yet.  I'm so close to success it's scary!  Wait for me....
[10:01] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:01] <tsmithe> sistpoty, hiya
[10:01] <sistpoty> hi tsmithe
[10:01] <LaserJock> swarog: done
[10:01] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty 
[10:02] <sistpoty> tsmithe: just looked at enblend again, the patch doesn't get applied since nothing depends on the configure rule (if I've seen it right)
[10:02] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:02] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we're just talking about when we should turn off revu :)
[10:02] <tsmithe> sistpoty, yes - i just fixed it
[10:02] <sistpoty> tsmithe: great ;)
[10:02] <swarog> LaserJock: thanks
[10:02] <tonyyarusso> Why is it asking me which file to patch...I thought that was automatic?
[10:02] <LaserJock> just kidding ;-)
[10:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I guess we should write a mail to ubuntu-motu stating that FF is in effect now (or in a few minutes/hours/whatever *G*)
[10:03] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: It's automatic if it can figure it out.  If it can't, it asks.
[10:03] <ajmitch> sistpoty: sure, just decree that the motu council has spoken :)
[10:04] <sistpoty> ajmitch: well. if crimsun is around, we even have quorum :P
[10:04] <tsmithe> siretart, nonono!
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> Found it!
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: Okay, I figured out what the path should be for it - how do I adjust to patch to make it work in the future?
[10:04] <ajmitch> sistpoty: lets not get hung up on the rules.. :)
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> The two lines at the top of it?
[10:04] <sistpoty> geser: ha, seems like you also found out that revu comments are limited :P
[10:05] <tsmithe> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4447
[10:05] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, I'll just write a mail then
[10:05] <tsmithe> please :)
[10:06] <ajmitch> oh dear
[10:07] <ajmitch> tsmithe: you may have licensing issues here
[10:07] <tsmithe> ajmitch, say what?
[10:07] <tsmithe> *sigh*
[10:07] <sistpoty> ajmitch: who could make exceptions for FF? motu-uvf? or should I just not mention that at all ;)
[10:07] <tsmithe> bsd not compatible with gpl, don't say, please don't say
[10:07] <ajmitch> BSD+advertising clause, and GPL 2
[10:07] <tsmithe> crap he said it
[10:08] <ajmitch> sistpoty: undecided, we'll talk about it at the MC meeting?
[10:08] <ajmitch> I'd say that motu-uvf would
[10:08] <ajmitch> tsmithe: hard to say what the outcome will be, since it's in src/win32helpers
[10:08] <sistpoty> ajmitch: good idea
[10:08] <tsmithe> ajmitch, that's not built
[10:08] <tsmithe> promise!
[10:09] <ajmitch> yay, more dramatics
[10:09] <ajmitch> I don't know what the archive team will say
[10:09] <tsmithe> urgh
[10:09] <tsmithe> me neither :'(
[10:09] <tsmithe> let's just give it a go?
[10:09] <swarog> tonyyarusso: what are you compiling?
[10:10] <tonyyarusso> swarog: It's called KompoZer, and is a stopgap bugfix for Nvu until a proper successor comes about.
[10:10] <LaserJock> tsmithe: you don't use the conflicting part?
[10:10] <Amaranth> tsmithe: repack the orig.tar.gz
[10:10] <tsmithe> arghs
[10:10] <tsmithe> ok
[10:10] <Amaranth> minus the illegal stuff
[10:10] <tsmithe> please don't do ff quite yet :)
[10:11] <tsmithe> Amaranth, yes yes
[10:11] <ajmitch> Amaranth: it's not illegal, just not gpl compatible
[10:11] <Amaranth> ajmitch: illegal to distribute?
[10:12] <ajmitch> the code by itself is free software
[10:12] <sistpoty> well, I'm happy with the package... and since I'm not a copyright expert I guess ubuntu-archive should decide on the copyright stuff
[10:12] <ajmitch> but puts extra restrictions that the GPL disallows
[10:15] <tonyyarusso> What are the odds that dput to review would work from a coffeeshop free wifi connection?  (ie, is it a weird port or anything?)
[10:15] <tsmithe> likely
[10:15] <tsmithe> it's just ftp, right?
[10:15] <ajmitch> yes
[10:15] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I guess it's best to try & just see what ubuntu-archive says
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> Otherwise I might be knocking on neighbors' doors
[10:16] <sistpoty> ajmitch: hehe, that's what I wrote as a comment a minute ago :P
[10:16] <ajmitch> sistpoty: so, upload it & see - repacking the tarball is an option I'd rather not take just yet
[10:17] <sistpoty> ok, I'm on it
[10:17] <tsmithe> hang on!
[10:17] <tsmithe> you people talking about enblend??
[10:17] <sistpoty> tsmithe: yep
[10:17] <tsmithe> right - i uploaded one without src/win32helpers, but i'm currently uncertain that it builds
[10:18] <tsmithe> can you hang on 30 minutes?
[10:18] <tsmithe> argh!!!
[10:18] <tsmithe> "Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of enblend_3.0-0ubuntu1.dsc"
[10:18] <tsmithe> could a revu admin delete the stuck file?
[10:18] <tonyyarusso> Please please don't close us off yet...
[10:18] <sistpoty> tsmithe: LaserJock should be logged in at tiber atm ;)
[10:18] <tsmithe> ok
[10:19] <tsmithe> LaserJock, ping?
[10:19] <LaserJock> yeah? enblend is stuck?
[10:19] <tsmithe> yeah
[10:19] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[10:20] <LaserJock> tsmithe: did you use dput -f or rm the .upload?
[10:20] <tsmithe> uh oh?
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> I just saw a lot of "error" fly by
[10:20] <tsmithe> -f
[10:20] <tsmithe> what should i do?
[10:21] <LaserJock> tsmithe: look now
[10:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: are you guessing or do you know?
[10:21] <LaserJock> I didn't see it in rejected, just in incoming
[10:21] <ajmitch> I looked
[10:21] <ajmitch> it was removed
[10:22] <tsmithe> ok - hang on a sec
[10:22] <tsmithe> (gotta fix configure - won't be long)
[10:23] <tonyyarusso> The only file that goes to revu is .changes, right?
[10:24] <tsmithe> no
[10:24] <tsmithe> the orig, diff and .dsc are uploaded as well 
[10:24] <tsmithe> you point dput to the .changes
[10:24] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: the .changes knows about all files that are part of an upload (the ones mentioned for a source-only upload)
[10:25] <sistpoty> (the ones tsmithe mentioned)
[10:25] <sistpoty> source-only non-native to be exact
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[10:25] <sistpoty> with orig-tarball :)
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to relocate to the coffee shop.  biab.  If there could be someone ready to do a review on short notice that would be amazing....sorry I'm being sooo late.
[10:28] <tsmithe> right - almost done :)
[10:29] <tsmithe> ok - uploaded
[10:29] <tsmithe> now just the wait for revu to update
[10:30] <LaserJock> ok, incoming is clean
[10:31] <tsmithe> :)
[10:32] <tsmithe> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4450
[10:32] <LaserJock> hmm, mdz's proposal is interesting, a bit complicated
[10:32] <tsmithe> look-see
[10:32] <tsmithe> ?
[10:34] <swarog> hmm how can i register for revu?
[10:34] <sistpoty> tsmithe: did you build it?
[10:34] <tsmithe> well, it's been building for almost 10 minutes
[10:34] <sistpoty> ajmitch: could you build it on your "I have enough ram for a 15 minutes build of enblend" machine? *g*
[10:34] <tsmithe> and no problems
[10:35] <LaserJock> swarog: how do you mean?
[10:35] <swarog> or maybe i should use email
[10:35] <tsmithe> swarog, you don't "register" as i recall...
[10:35] <tsmithe> try to recover the password
[10:35] <tsmithe> then you'll get an email to decrypt with the password in
[10:35] <swarog> for username or email address?
[10:36] <LaserJock> you need to make an upload first
[10:36] <tsmithe> sistpoty, build went fine
[10:36] <shawarma> Where is the binary NEW queue?
[10:36] <LaserJock> then us the email address that is in the gpg key/changelog
[10:36] <swarog> LaserJock: did it
[10:36] <sistpoty> tsmithe: why does it only take hours for me to build? *g*
[10:36] <swarog> oh ok, email address got it
[10:36] <tsmithe> haha i have no idea :P
[10:36] <bddebian> sistpoty: No, it takes hours man :-(
[10:36] <LaserJock> shawarma: same as source NEW
[10:36] <swarog> someone should put "Email:" instead of "Login:" on revu page
[10:36] <LaserJock> shawarma: launchpad.net/ubuntu/fiesty/+queue
[10:37] <ScottK> bddebian: Now that I've reviewed it further, the courier merge is good.  Are you going to embrace the suck or should I ask someone else - bug #87099
[10:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87099 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87099
[10:39] <shawarma> LaserJock: Hmm.... I'm looking for my network-manager-{vpnc,openvpn} packages. The source packages have been accepted, but I expect the binaries are still in the queue, but I can't find them.
[10:39] <sistpoty> tsmithe: I'm upload it now
[10:39] <tsmithe> YEAH!!!!
[10:39] <sistpoty> +ing
[10:39] <tsmithe> wooooo!
[10:40] <swarog> would someone take a look at chrootbin please, thanks
[10:40] <sistpoty> tsmithe: at least if you don't mind that I'll add a dfsg-version to the orig-tarball :P
[10:40] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm a little busy ATM but I can hit it later if you remind me
[10:40] <LaserJock> sistpoty: send out the email quick before tsmithe uploads something else :-)
[10:41] <geser> shawarma: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=network
[10:41] <ScottK> bddebian: No great rush.  I'll harass you again later if necessary.
[10:41] <tsmithe> sistpoty, no problemos
[10:41] <tsmithe> LaserJock, haha
[10:41] <tsmithe> LaserJock, it's ok - i'm done now :)
[10:41] <tsmithe> tonyyarusso, quick quick!
[10:41] <bddebian> LaserJock: hehe
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> I'm compiling!
[10:42] <shawarma> geser: Ah, now I see  them. I hadn't noticed the binary packages right next to the translation files.
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> Chant time:
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> finish finish finish finish...
[10:42] <ScottK> Isn't FF at new day UTC?  If my TZ math is right that's a few hours off yet...
[10:43] <LaserJock> ScottK: no, it's at the devel meeting, which was a while ago
[10:43] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=242
[10:43] <ScottK> Ahh.
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: So apparently I need to learn to dance and get a wife before my compile finishes?
[10:45] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: heh, not neccessarily. I just thought your finish finish finish finish chat might be an addition ;-)
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> 5hehe
[10:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what was mdz's suggestion?
[10:45] <sistpoty> tsmithe: uploaded
[10:45] <tsmithe> woot!
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> That's me egging on make.
[10:45] <sistpoty> ajmitch: on ubuntu-devel
[10:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-February/023309.html
[10:46] <ajmitch> I probably did read it
[10:46] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:46] <ajmitch> right, I hadn't
[10:46] <ajmitch> interesting
[10:46] <LaserJock> the thing is that we'd probably not want universe-bugs as the ~motu contact address
[10:46] <LaserJock> is that needed anymore?
[10:47] <tsmithe> what is the difference between motu and ubuntu-dev
[10:47] <tsmithe> ?
[10:47] <LaserJock> ubuntu-dev is currently the official list
[10:47] <LaserJock> motu is an old team for people who were interested in MOTU
[10:47] <ajmitch> motu used to be the group of all motus
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> If I _think_ my pbuilder check is going to succeed this time, should I start my dput now, in case it does, or wait until I know for sure?
[10:47] <ajmitch> back in the day
[10:49] <tsmithe> why did it change?
[10:49] <ajmitch> you read the mail?
[10:50] <LaserJock> I still haven't gotten much of a reply about the new maintainer field and LP teams
[10:50] <LaserJock> I like the idea of ~motu+~ubuntu-core-dev = ~ubuntu-dev though
[10:51] <ajmitch> I guess it'd work
[10:51] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: If it were me I'd upload it and not say anything until you're sure it works.
[10:51] <sistpoty> hm... my mail about FF is just a bit short: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7101/
[10:51] <sistpoty> anything I forgot?
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: 'k
[10:51] <ajmitch> well, that is short
[10:51] <ScottK> Of course I know even less than bddebian, so my advice is suspect.
[10:51] <LaserJock> I thought we'd just get rid of the ~motu team and leave things the way they are
[10:51] <sistpoty> or LaserJock: maybe you'd like to take over, since your mails have always been so nice?
[10:52] <LaserJock> lol
[10:52] <LaserJock> sistpoty: sure
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> I should actually buy something while I'm here.
[10:52] <sistpoty> LaserJock: cool, thx a lot :)
[10:53] <ScottK> sistpoty: Is capitalizing the first two letters of your name on purpose?
[10:53] <sistpoty> ScottK: no, but strange enough it happens often enough if my fingers are too fast :P
[10:54] <ScottK> I know how that can be.  When I type quickly I often type if instead of is for some reason.
[10:55] <shawarma> Why is it that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/network-manager-vpnc/0.6.4svn2315-0ubuntu1 says that the package is maintained by MOTU-Media, but I've set the maintainer to the recommended ubuntu-motu mailing list.. ?
[10:56] <ScottK> shawarma: Because LP is confused.
[10:56] <shawarma> ScottK: Known issue, I expect?
[10:56] <ScottK> Yes.  Same thing happened to me.  Some discussion about it, but no resolution AFAIK.
[10:57] <sistpoty> maybe we should now all join motu-media *g*
[10:57] <ajmitch> nah
[10:58] <RAOF_> tonyyarusso: My box is back up, sorry.
[10:58] <RAOF_> tonyyarusso: Feel free to test whether it builds on AMD64 on it :)
[10:58] <tonyyarusso> RAOF_: hehe, a little late, but thanks anyway!
[10:58] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[10:58] <LaserJock> shawarma: that's a known issue that I'm working on
[10:58] <LaserJock> basically ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-devel-discuss MLs where not associated with any person/team in LP
[10:59] <swarog> hmm, i suppose 2-3 days to get comments on revu?
[10:59] <LaserJock> so the first uploads with the addresses created new "people" in LP
[10:59] <harpreet> hi
[10:59] <shawarma> LaserJock: So.. Can't we just add ubuntu-motu as an e-mail for ubuntu-dev ?
[10:59] <LaserJock> shawarma: we could but then ubuntu-motu gets all the LP mail
[10:59] <sistpoty> swarog: for new packages I guess it'll take much longer right now, since we are just entering feature freeze (and thus won't spend that much time with reviewing)
[11:00] <LaserJock> shawarma: that may or may not be a problem, but that's where it comes from anyway
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> My .dsc is up btw; it's working on the .orig.tar.gz atm.
[11:00] <shawarma> LaserJock: Oh, good point.
[11:00] <ajmitch> everyone must now get down to bugfixing
[11:01] <sistpoty> ha, I could claim motu-media :P
[11:01] <harpreet> I am working on uploading Java Application Server called GlassFish onto revu
[11:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, have fun :-)
[11:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: I will, watching you work :)
[11:02] <bddebian> heh, I already told you, I can't fix nothing :)
[11:04] <harpreet> we will like to resync the keyring
[11:04] <swarog> sistpoty: hmm, thats bad :( anyway, its a "several" lines scripts. wouldnt take much time ;)
[11:04] <tonyyarusso> dput is done; "not running dinstall", if that matters.
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> How do I found out my revu URL?
[11:06] <Adri2000> Ctrl+F :)
[11:07] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Look for it here: http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> ok
[11:07] <swarog> btw, why is revu on some unknown domain?
[11:08] <ajmitch> because it's a community-run service
[11:08] <ajmitch> & there's been no real need to move to something like revu.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> Pretty please review?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4451
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Still around?
[11:10] <LaserJock> kinda yeah
[11:11] <LaserJock> are tinyurls stable?
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[11:12] <bddebian> A freakin' 30Mb orig.tar.gz sheesh :-(
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: I'm having some trouble with the instructions to decrypt my password.  Should the last line be ----END PGP MESSAGE-----EOT ?
[11:13] <swarog> tonyyarusso: you dont need EOT i guess
[11:13] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: IIRC the EOT goes on a new line.
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[11:14] <swarog> tonyyarusso: im not an expert, but the url you pasted looks quite bad
[11:15] <swarog> tonyyarusso: did you take a look at other packages on REVU?
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> swarog: Barely...  What's wrong?
[11:15] <bddebian> What URL? The upid?  It's correct
[11:16] <Adri2000> giskard: gnomoradio's patch sent to debian bts
[11:16] <swarog> bddebian: nah, http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kompozer-0702221700/kompozer-0.7.7
[11:16] <swarog> this one
[11:17] <bddebian> Oh
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> Okay, apparently some of my debian/ files were misnamed - fixing that now.
[11:17] <bddebian> Oh sure now that I've already started a build
[11:18] <swarog> bddebian: can you take a glance at chrootbin please, its quite small script, easy to review
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> sorry, mine just finished.
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> Should I dput -f with the new ones?
[11:19] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: You want some other comments?
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Just rename the various things like desktop to kompozer.desktop.
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: yes, please.
[11:20] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: According to linda there is a non-ascii character buried in your control file - http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kompozer-0702221700/linda
[11:21] <ScottK> Also in control you should put two leading spaces at the beginning of the lines that have the web sites listed.
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> Ah, thought it was one.
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> I don't know where that character supposedly is.
[11:22] <ScottK> Two spaces makes the line non-breaking so the url won't get wrapped.
[11:22] <ScottK> Me neither.  I didn't see it in the file on revu.
[11:23] <tonyyarusso> That's weird.
[11:23] <ScottK> I don't know how important that is.
[11:24] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: The end of your debian/copyright file says: "
[11:24] <ScottK> # Please also look if there are files or directories which have a
[11:24] <ScottK> # different copyright/license attached and list them here."
[11:24] <sistpoty> swarog: what's the benefit of using chrootbin over e.g. debootstrap?
[11:24] <ajmitch> hm
[11:24] <ScottK> I think that ought to go.
[11:24] <tonyyarusso> Ok.
[11:24] <ajmitch> more people that don't finish up their ITPs
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> done.
[11:25] <LaserJock> arggg
[11:25] <LaserJock> stupid piece of MS crap
[11:26] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:26] <swarog> sistpoty: not quite sure
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: I still can't get a pw out of revu.. :(
[11:26] <swarog> sistpoty: never tried it
[11:26] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: ask sistpoty 
[11:26] <LaserJock> I had a nice email but went to make sure it was coming from the right address and it ate it
[11:26] <ajmitch> LaserJock: :(
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Help w/ revu pw retrieval please?
[11:27] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: what's your email you use for revu?
[11:27] <LaserJock> wahoo, I found it
[11:27] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: tonyyarusso@earthlink.net
[11:28] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: does decrypting the recover message give you anything (other than None)?
[11:28] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: It bbabbles about can't connect to `/home/anthony/.gnome2/seahorse-cPqdvb/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory
[11:29] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: hm... looks like another gpg problem on your side. can you decrypt gpg messages anyhow (e.g. with seahorse)?
[11:29] <swarog> tonyyarusso: try it from cli, save the encrypted message in file 'gpg -d file
[11:30] <geser> since when are there two mailings lists for ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[11:30] <swarog> sistpoty: as far as i can see debootstrap actualy only copies whole packages. totaly package based.
[11:31] <sistpoty> swarog: so I'd use chrootbin if I wanted to make a minimal chroot jail, right?
[11:32] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Decrypting w/ seahorse also says just "None"
[11:32] <sistpoty> grml
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible for me to upload only my changed files to revu, and not the .orig.tar.gz?
[11:33] <swarog> sistpoty: that too
[11:34] <LaserJock> did people get only 1 email to -motu from me?
[11:34] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: yes, however this means extra overhead for the reviewers (because they'd need to find the earlier tarball), so please try to avoid it if possible
[11:34] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: and in case you do (e.g. a very, very, very big orig.tar.gz), please leave a comment on revu where to get the orig.tar.gz
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Okay.  (tarball is 30 MB)
[11:35] <tsmithe> LaserJock, yeah
[11:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: bah, you had to mention my name :)
[11:35] <bddebian> LaserJock: I only got 1
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> Uploading new version.
[11:36] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: ah, the email you used for uploading seems to have been tonyyarusso@ubuntu.com, so revu created an account with that email for you
[11:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: but yes, I got 1, thanks for writing that
[11:36] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Ooooh, ok.  @earthlink is what's on my key, but @ubuntu is in changelog.  doh.
[11:36] <LaserJock> ok, my email has 2 (I sent a CC to ubuntu-devel-announce just for kicks)
[11:36] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: and that's where the next problem is: the @ubuntu.com is not in your key, so revu can't encrypt it.
[11:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, but I drop duplicate messages with procmail :)
[11:37] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: if you want I can change that mail to @earthlink though
[11:37] <LaserJock> I wondered it my stupid MS Entourage sent it anyway :/
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: That would be lovely.  I need to make an @ubuntu key sometime, but haven't yet.
[11:38] <LaserJock> you know, for a nice as OS X is, I can't seem to find a good browser or email app
[11:38] <LaserJock> they all suck for one reason or another
[11:38] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: please retry recovering... and don't forget to do the next uploads with @earthlink changelog entries, otherwise revu will create another account
[11:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I see you're getting people
[11:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I see you're getting peoples' hopes up
[11:39] <ajmitch> telling them that there may be FF exceptions
[11:40] <sistpoty> LaserJock: great mail, thx!
[11:41] <cbx33> nice one LaserJock 
[11:42] <ajmitch> sistpoty: regular tasks missing from the MOTU meeting
[11:42] <ajmitch> like todo lists, weekly reports
[11:42] <ajmitch> I think we want to discuss them wheil we get stup
[11:43] <sistpoty> ajmitch: just add them to the agenda ;)
[11:43] <ajmitch> am doing so :)
[11:44] <LaserJock> sistpoty: it was a bit longer than yours, but I like your short-and-sweet style ;-)
[11:44] <sistpoty> *g*
[11:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: added
[11:47] <tsmithe> thanks ever so much, you've all been a great help
[11:47] <sistpoty> gn8 tsmithe
[11:47] <LaserJock> tsmithe: thank you for contributing to Ubuntu
[11:47] <tsmithe> :)
[11:47] <tsmithe> don't be silly
[11:47] <tsmithe> night
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Bah, might be too late for that - I already had a re-upload in progress.
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I got a pw successfully though.
[11:48] <ajmitch> anything else that we need to discuss at the meeting?
[11:48] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: are you mucking up my newly cleaned queue?
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Yes.  sorry...
[11:50] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: is it still uploading?
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: yes.
[11:50] <LaserJock> the .diff.gz?
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> the orig again, per sistpoty above - since 30 meg is large, but not really "very, very big"
[11:51] <geser> tonyyarusso: you can also add a new uid with your ubuntu mail-address to your current key
[11:51] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[11:52] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: 24MB, almost there!
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> geser: I'm not sure how to do that.
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> yay
[11:53] <geser> gpg --edit-key <your keyid> and then adduid
[11:53] <geser> after you saved your changes don't forget to send it to the keyservers
[11:54] <tonyyarusso> argh - raof gave me an autologin by ssh key, but I need to know the pw for sudo pbuilder, which I don't.
[11:54] <tonyyarusso> I'll try that, soon.
[11:54] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Done.  Re-review?
[11:54] <sistpoty> swarog: you are upstream for chrootbin? because you've uploaded a native package which is different from the thing that can be downloaded from sourceforge
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> Will the revu URL change on a new upload, or not?
[11:57] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: every upload gets its own upid (as in upload id)
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> ok
[11:59] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4452
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> ty, just saw it myself
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> Anyone still around, please review ^^ ?
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> linda still claims I have a non-ascii, but I don't have the foggiest idea why - I went through that file looking.
[12:00] <bddebian> Later gang
[12:00] <swarog> sistpoty: true, did some fixes, im going to upload it on sf too
[12:01] <tsmithe> night bddebian 
[12:01] <sistpoty> swarog: if you weren't upstream I'd veto, because a package maintainer couldn't simply release a new upstream version ;)
[12:02] <sistpoty> swarog: just reviewed
[12:03] <swarog> sistpoty: i am
[12:04] <sistpoty> yay, what did I write there... the tarball that can be *up*loaded from sourceforge... lol
[12:06] <fernando> hey all
[12:06] <tonyyarusso> swarog, ScottK: Am I any better off this time?
[12:07] <swarog> sistpoty: heheh, you need coffee?
[12:07] <sistpoty> swarog: definitely... good idea :)
[12:08] <Kano64> hi, the final ntfs-3g is out, should be updated:
[12:08] <Kano64> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntfs-3g/ntfs-3g_1.0-1.dsc
[12:10] <LaserJock> we're past UVF now
[12:10] <Kano64> are you always behind the time
[12:11] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Is there a chance of mine being in still, or did I miss it?
[12:11] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: URL?
[12:11] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4452
[12:11] <tonyyarusso> It has a linda complaint, but we don't know why.