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[12:36] <poningru> gnomefreak: I have time today to learn the packaging
[12:36] <poningru> are you available today?
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: i don't think John will be available...but I don't speak for him
[12:38] <poningru> I am gonna package todays ff
[12:38] <poningru> hopefully...
[12:39] <poningru> k thanks
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: maybe alexander can help when he gets back
[12:40] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, did you get the email John sent out?
[12:42] <poningru> mmm dont think so
[12:42] <poningru> holy shite I am not subscribed
[12:49] <gnomefreak> i will be here in and out but mainly until i leave i will be working on crashreports to clean them up. poningru packaing a new version of ff will need to be merged before package can be built merging is  a bitch if you have never done it. I think i have once.
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[11:45] <asac> hi all
[12:12] <gnomefreak> hi
[12:12] <asac> hey still here
[12:12] <asac> thought you will leave?
[12:12] <gnomefreak> next week tues/wed
[12:14] <gnomefreak> whats with tags on bug 63230
[12:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[12:17] <asac> let me see
[12:18] <asac> yes ... messy .. as usual mt-needretrace mt-needsummary i would say
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you think about team council, goverance and stuff like that? ... i must admit that I share the concerns of AlexLatchford ... at least a bit.
[12:20] <gnomefreak> i didnt read email yet
[12:21] <asac> ah ok
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i havent seen alexs concerns i will in a bit
[12:30] <gnomefreak> do you think there are enough retraces on this bug? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/45008 while you look ill check email :)
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45008 in firefox "Firefox Crashes on Saving Files  [@nsFilePicker::Show] " [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:30] <asac> bug 43393
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43393 in firefox "Doesn't show thai language correctly" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43393
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: .... yeah ... lets close this bug
[12:31] <gnomefreak> 45008?
[12:31] <asac> e.g. summary update: [CLOSED]  ... and in description DON'T POST ANY MORE CRASEHS HERE
[12:31] <asac> :)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> has it been fixed?
[12:31] <asac> not closed as in fixed :)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:31] <asac> closed as in Thread-Locked :)
[12:31] <asac> how many reports are untraced?
[12:32] <asac> in there?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> 2 or so but cant do them due to no coredump
[12:33] <gnomefreak> should i add this all to summary. keep whats there and add [CLOSED]  in summary and that at beginning of desciption add dont post....
[12:33] <asac> yes please
[12:34] <asac> and don't bother about the non-coredump crashers
[12:34] <gnomefreak> k
[12:34] <gnomefreak> its done :) just waiting for page to reload
[12:34] <gnomefreak> pull all tags off?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> i added mt-confirm for the ones i just did on that bug.
[12:46] <asac> yes
[12:46] <asac> thats good
[01:23] <asac> gnomefreak: before you leave, can you please post some brief words on what -dbg packages to install and what apport-retrace command to run in order to do the retrace as you are doing?
[01:23] <asac> i am thinking about writing a script to semi-automate this stuff
[01:23] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:23] <asac> i think it will take time until martin will come up with something automatic
[01:24] <gnomefreak> well he needs to update feisty and edgy repos badly :(
[01:24] <asac> he won't
[01:25] <asac> he has no time atm.
[01:25] <asac> however, nothing official
[01:25] <asac> just my own experience tells me that this will take time to work out
[01:26] <gnomefreak> oh im sure
[01:26] <asac> just a few words, what packages to install to get somehow good results and how to run which version of apport-retrace
[01:27] <asac> we have to pull in feisty version for processing edgy reports, right?
[01:27] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:28] <gnomefreak> im using 0.50 but any version should work
[01:28] <gnomefreak> i will update my apport to newest feisty and see if it works as good
[01:28] <asac> okok .. superb
[01:29] <gnomefreak> i will send commands and packages out to mailing list sometime this week. im trying to get most cleaned up before next week
[01:29] <gnomefreak> down to like 32 of them for ff
[01:30] <asac> 32 reports untraced?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> yep from 54 i think it was
[01:32] <gnomefreak> got most of feistys done i left a few for 64bit
=== asac wonders how much new crash reports we get day by day :)
[01:34] <gnomefreak> alot
[01:35] <gnomefreak> but im almost done with the high priority retraces :)
[01:52] <asac> Bug 61229
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61229 in thunderbird-locales "Please provide missing locale (lt) for Thunderbird" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61229
[02:08] <gnomefreak> email is being sent
[02:08] <asac> about gvernance et al? or what?
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: i worked on that but you might want to take it.
[02:08] <gnomefreak> that too
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i sent that one and the retrace one
[02:09] <gnomefreak> i also gave examples on the retrace one
[02:16] <asac> will take a look in a minute ... you sent to ml?
[02:17] <gnomefreak> asac: you might want to take bug 61229 i havent had a chance to look at it too much i couldnt find wher eto put the .xpi but i think you said in enigmail but havent gotten to far on that. as for the patch you wanted me to try and apply i used the path in each section of the patch but kept telling me no file found i will have to take a few daays of steady working on that (its not as easy as it seems) output i got (if of any help i
[02:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61229 in thunderbird-locales "Please provide missing locale (lt) for Thunderbird" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61229
[02:17] <gnomefreak> yes i sent it to ML
[02:20] <asac> gnomefreak: your message above has been truncated somehow
[02:20] <asac> thunderbird-locales ... apt-get source thunderbird-locales
[02:20] <asac> then look where the .xpi are in there
[02:20] <gnomefreak> oh than rebuild the locals
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i just grabbed source mozilla-thunderbird  :(
[02:21] <asac> drop it there ... extend debian/control ... then take a look at debian/rules if all .xpis are manually listed there somewhere ...
[02:21] <asac> hehe
[02:21] <asac> no its a package on its own
[02:21] <asac> thunderbird-locales is your candidate :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah no wonder why i couldnt find them
[02:22] <gnomefreak> i will try it again little later today
[02:23] <asac> np ... take your time ... the task is getting bigger though: we need to replace all .xpi files :) because we want official branding and .xpis currently included are stripped ... maybe do that first :) just replace all .xpi ... and build a new orig.tar.gz from that.
[02:23] <asac> then if that is done, we can add -lt
[02:23] <asac> :)
[02:23] <gnomefreak> k
[02:32] <asac> gnomefreak: good ... (retraces) ... for feisty we don't need to download reports?
[02:32] <asac> its done automagically?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> nope
[02:32] <gnomefreak> just the bug #
[02:32] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> it takes longer to do than edgys
[02:33] <asac> so no download?
[02:33] <asac> i will try :)
[02:33] <gnomefreak> not for feisty
[02:33] <asac> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/86562
[02:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86562 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() on close" [High,Needs info] 
[02:33] <asac> that one?
[02:34] <asac> should work
[02:34] <asac> lets try :)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> asac: the problem you will see with feistys is alot of conflicting package versions and you cant downgrade to them using apt
[02:34] <asac> lets see
[02:36] <asac> what happens if there are more than one crash reports attached?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont know truthfully i would ask seb or martin about that. i havent had one with more than one report yet
[02:37] <asac> hmmm we need an sources.list line for the -dbgsym repo?
[02:37] <asac> ok
[02:37] <gnomefreak> seb started me on feistys reports and i came up with other options to use
[02:37] <gnomefreak> yes i think you do (i do)
[02:37] <asac> hmmm ... you have the lines?
[02:38] <asac> i would like to add them to the mail
[02:38] <gnomefreak> feisty or edgy?
[02:38] <gnomefreak> well same just replace the dist.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:39] <gnomefreak> change feisty to edgy for edgy
=== asac taking a 64bit report now to try :)
[02:39] <gnomefreak> and you know about adding: danielhollocher's retrace.
[02:39] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/48772/comments/2
[02:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48772 in firefox "Firefox randomly crashes" [Medium,Needs info] 
[02:39] <gnomefreak> when more than one report
[02:40] <gnomefreak> oops forgot to add assign it back to team and change tags
[02:45] <gnomefreak> and -v is important to use so you know what is going on once you get comfortable with it IMHO
[02:53] <gnomefreak> grrr
[02:53] <gnomefreak> cant do bug 63230
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[02:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... but i can retrace as user ... or do i need to be root to install -dbgsym packages et al?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> user
[02:54] <asac> fine
[02:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats fine ... in fact I think that we should add a boilerplate text for lots of cases ... in this case we should apologize a bit that we didn't process bug earlier :)
[02:56] <asac> <-- about bug 63230
[02:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63230 in firefox "firefox crash after opening totem in a tab" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63230
[02:57] <gnomefreak> ok
=== asac taking a bath ;)
[03:02] <gnomefreak> k let me know how retrace goes
[03:41] <asac> retraces look good
[03:42] <asac> though I still don't see why they look different when -dbg package installed vs. not installed
[03:47] <gnomefreak> maybe the -dbg packages are still used incase the -dbgsym packages cant be found? i dont know that much about apport but it would help to know
=== gnomefreak is away for a bit, phone
[03:50] <asac> yeah ... probably
[05:02] <gnomefreak> asac: did you send totem fix to seb128? or are we waiting for something?
[05:03] <asac> meeting :)
[05:03] <asac> will do
[05:03] <asac> after
[05:03] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:03] <asac> what was master bug?
[05:04] <gnomefreak> ill get it in a few minutes as soon as retrace is done. retrace likes to lock me up
[05:07] <gnomefreak> bug 86265
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86265 in firefox "[apport]  firefox crash [@totemScriptablePlugin::~totemScriptablePlugin] " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86265
[05:07] <gnomefreak> that would be it
[05:17] <gnomefreak> lol only 1 problem with that topic in the meeting X isnt fully merged and is breaking beryl
[05:59] <asac> ok
[05:59] <asac> next week i will have some topics i guess :)
[06:00] <asac> gnomefreak: ... how can i add another package to a bug in lp? ... i am lost somehow ... or blind or whatever
[06:01] <asac> also affects distribution?
[06:01] <asac> gues thats it ... ubuntu
[06:08] <asac> ok ... done
[06:10] <gnomefreak> yep that is it
[06:10] <gnomefreak> sorry was getting ready to leave
[06:13] <asac> np
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[06:13] <asac> ok ... cu then
[06:14] <asac> take care
[06:14] <asac> !
[08:04] <gnomefreak> damn i hate amarok
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: blasphmy
[08:06] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: cant listen to music and retrace at same time
[08:06] <gnomefreak> god forbid i might beablet o multitask
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> really? that's probably a bug in there
[08:07] <gnomefreak> its in apport if i had to guess or its just the way apport works
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yes.
[08:20] <gnomefreak> wtf is wrong with apport :(
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i could take apart apport and look it up but i have to studp right now
[08:24] <gnomefreak> asac: you around?
[08:25] <Admiral_Chicago> stuy* bbl
[08:25] <gnomefreak> apport is failing to upload coredumps (atleast one bug so far that i found) <feisty>
[08:25] <gnomefreak> study
[08:25] <gnomefreak> :)
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[09:07] <asac> gnomefreak: heh?
=== asac will be back in 2 hours or so 
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> bug 84716
[10:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84716
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> hmm, take a look at the Activity Log
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> says asac has commented, but it isn't showing for me
[11:02] <gnomefreak> looking
[11:02] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you feel like chairing the next meeting?
[11:02] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i might be there but i doubt it
[11:03] <gnomefreak> i dont see any comment from him
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> take a look in the activity log
[11:03] <gnomefreak> he might have changed something than changed it back
[11:03] <gnomefreak> where is it
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/84716/+activity
[11:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84716 in firefox "firefox crashes, screen divides after applying orca screen reader" [High,Needs info] 
[11:03] <gnomefreak> nvm found it
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> see the comment there?
[11:04] <gnomefreak> yeah
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> interesting
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> Ill file a Malone bug
[11:05] <gnomefreak> maybe it didnt take but the importance took (Lp is messed up anyway. notice your karma hasnt changed in a week
[11:05] <AlexLatchford> yeah, ill file it anyway
[11:05] <AlexLatchford> keep the team on its toes
[11:05] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> meh, think they have a few similar, think ill leave it
[11:28] <asac> so is that the only maybe accessibility report we have?
[11:28] <asac> activity is broken?
[11:35] <asac> AlexLatchford: can you please use pgp/mime to sign your messages? mutt just hates inline signatures :/
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[11:36] <AlexLatchford> ill make the changes later
[11:41] <asac> AlexLatchford: have you seen other comments disappear?
[11:41] <asac> or just mine?
[11:41] <AlexLatchford> just that 1 thus far
[11:41] <asac> hmm ... what is the lp bug ... you already filed?
[11:42] <AlexLatchford> nah I didn't bother, there seems to be several around the same issue if you search
[11:42] <asac> ok
[11:54] <gnomefreak> has anyone figured out how to get time stamp in gnome-terminal :(
[11:55] <gnomefreak> its been on my to do list since breezy and i still havent figured it out
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> there is a timer if you precede the command with time
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> so.. 'time ls'
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> but I dunno about timestamps
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> 'time cat'
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> is a funny command
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> hit Ctrl+D to stop the timer
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> (time cat is a stopwatch)
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> okay sleep time I think
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> night
[12:06] <asac> gnomefreak: depends  on what shell you use
[12:06] <asac> if bash
[12:06] <asac> edit .bashrc
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yeah bash
[12:06] <asac> PS1 variabe
[12:06] <asac> variable
[12:06] <asac> see man bash
[12:07] <asac> search for PS1
[12:07] <gnomefreak> k
[12:07] <asac> then play around by
[12:08] <asac> e.g. test
[12:09] <asac> export PS1='\T'
[12:09] <asac> :)
[12:09] <asac> maybe: export PS1='\T@\h$ '
[12:11] <asac> for me export PS1='\T@\h:\W$ ' would work a bit
[12:14] <gnomefreak> :) ty
[12:15] <asac> poningru: you are a painter?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 06:15:27@FeistyFawn:~$  does that look right?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> i guess it drops username for time because of length
[12:18] <asac> no
[12:18] <asac> user name is not included in template
[12:18] <asac> man bash
[12:18] <asac> search for PS1 a few times
[12:18] <asac> there is a table what means what
[12:19] <asac> currently I don't have it anymore ... still need to migrate my bashrc from my old box ... if that is done, I can tell what i have :)
[12:20] <asac> but google PS1 bash
[12:20] <asac> there should be plenty of common usages
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ah ok ty