[01:01] <frojnd> how similar is xubuntu to kubuntu
[01:01] <maxamillion> frojnd: not at all
[01:02] <frojnd> for example: kubuntu can get xvid codecs: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:02] <frojnd> how can xubuntu get xvid codecs?
[01:03] <maxamillion> frojnd: oh ... yeah, its exactly the same like that ... kubuntu and xubuntu both come from the same ubuntu-base package and share the same repositories for package installation
[01:03] <maxamillion> frojnd: but the user interface is rather different
[01:04] <frojnd> for interface I can imagine.. cose they advice me to use xubuntu for not so good comps...
[01:04] <frojnd> I have one comp 700mhz and 256ram
[01:05] <frojnd> will it work with xubuntu FAST?
[01:05] <maxamillion> frojnd: i run xubuntu on an athlon64 x2 4600+, 2gb ddr2 ram, and a nvidia 7900gtx just because i like it better
[01:05] <frojnd> ah
[01:05] <maxamillion> brb
[01:05] <frojnd> k
[01:05] <frojnd> tyt
[01:06] <Stu_2> frojnd -- I have a machine that is 800mhz at 256MB ram and it works nicely.
[01:06] <frojnd> Stu_2 good
[01:06] <frojnd> what about with setting dsl connection
[01:07] <malnilion> Anybody want to try an interesting bash command?
[01:07] <malnilion> You would have to restart your computer if you used it.
[01:09] <Stu_2> frojnd -- assuming your ISP is handing you an IP automatically, xubuntu should get you online if it sees your NIC
[01:09] <frojnd> NIC ?
[01:09] <maxamillion> malnilion: please do not post malicious or otherwise system compromising code in the channels
[01:09] <maxamillion> frojnd: network interface card
[01:09] <frojnd> ah..
[01:09] <frojnd> but.. what if not?
[01:10] <malnilion> maxamillion, yeah
[01:10] <maxamillion> frojnd: most times it will ... otherwise it might just take a little bit of configuration
[01:10] <maxamillion> frojnd: was kubuntu able to get an internet connection?
[01:10] <malnilion> maxamillion, I just found it shocking that with one simple command I could fork bomb my computer...
[01:11] <frojnd> maxamillion: I connect via router
[01:11] <frojnd> this comp that will have xubuntu will have no router..
[01:11] <frojnd> so I don't know how this works in kubuntu
[01:11] <maxamillion> malnilion: oh .. you been hanging out on wikipedia as of late? ... we had a user come in and post the perl code for a fork bomb they found on wikipedia ... it was not good :(
[01:12] <malnilion> Yeah, I saw that one
[01:12] <maxamillion> frojnd: oh, yeah ... should still be essentially the same because dsl does dhcp ip leases
[01:12] <frojnd> k
[01:13] <frojnd> anyway I am going to install xubuntu on my comp
[01:13] <malnilion> maxamillion, I wanted to know if there was an easy way to limit the number of processes in Ubuntu...
[01:14] <maxamillion> malnilion: oooo ... limit the number of processes, not sure ... maybe the number of processes of a certain user .... but even that i wouldn't know how to do
[01:17] <grazie> maxamillion: do you know who did this? >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php
[01:17] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... i admin it
[01:17] <grazie> maxamillion: good stuff
[01:18] <maxamillion> grazie: i actually haven't written any of the docs because i also admin the irc chans, the main website, and work on other projects so i didn't have time but when it came through the -devel mailing lists i volunteered to admin :)
[01:18] <grazie> maxamillion: could put that transparency stuff on there
[01:19] <maxamillion> grazie: oooo, good idea
[01:19] <maxamillion> grazie: it should be open to edit, if not let me know
[01:19] <grazie> maxamillion: oh...ok
[01:20] <maxamillion> no wait ... that's right, the guy who owns the server asked that we don't open it up
[01:20] <maxamillion> i forget why though
[01:20] <grazie> np
[01:20] <grazie> maxamillion: I do think there are too many official and unofficial guides though
[01:21] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah .... efforts are a little on the scattered side
[01:23] <grazie> maxamillion: had to move the transparency stuff to >> http://www50.brinkster.com/craziegrazie/XubuntuTransparency.html
[01:24] <maxamillion> grazie: why did you have to do that?
[01:25] <maxamillion> grazie: at the bottom it says "Tested on 6.04 Dapper Drake" .... its 6.06 ;)
[01:25] <grazie> maxamillion: it was a free host and then they made it not free....
[01:25] <morphir> how do I add a background image on my top panel?
[01:25] <grazie> maxamillion: ok. i'll change that
[01:25] <maxamillion> grazie: oh .... that's no good :(
[01:26] <maxamillion> morphir: you don't
[01:26] <morphir> maxamillion, it cant be done?
[01:26] <grazie> maxamillion: i have another host service, but I wanted to keep xubuntu stuff off there if possible
[01:26] <maxamillion> morphir: not to my knowledge
[01:26] <maxamillion> grazie: fair enough
[01:31] <syamajala> wow
[01:31] <syamajala> the new compositor is nice
[01:32] <maxamillion> syamajala: the one in feisty?
[01:32] <syamajala> yeah
[01:32] <maxamillion> yeah ... i've heard good things
[01:33] <Sharn> Hello again..
[01:33] <syamajala> was the emacs package built with the gtk frontend?
[01:35] <maxamillion> syamajala: there might be one
[01:35] <syamajala> guess i'll just install it and see
[01:35] <Sharn> You could maybe build it that way?
[01:36] <Sharn> I don't know for sure... No experience there. :P
[01:36] <maxamillion> syamajala: yeah .... i use vim-gtk myself ... its lighter and i am just used to vi
[01:37] <syamajala> i use emacs for slime
[01:37] <Sharn> Does that like actually look like a text editor?
[01:37] <maxamillion> Sharn: what?
[01:37] <Sharn> I can't use command line editors. :P
[01:37] <syamajala> do a bunch of lisp stuff...
[01:37] <Sharn> "vim-gtk"
[01:38] <maxamillion> Sharn: http://www.swooh.com/~adam/berylGears.png <--- the monitor on the right has vim-gtk running (vim-gtk is just the install package, the binary executable is called gvim)
[01:39] <maxamillion> Sharn: that's an old screenie of my work machine before i got bored with beryl .... i also upgraded to dual 21" HD monitors since then :) .... (my boss is the man)
[01:39] <Sharn> Rofl... That's pretty sweet.
[01:39] <maxamillion> ;)
[01:40] <Sharn> I might actually be able to use that...
[01:40] <maxamillion> gvim to me is all the perks of vi keyboard shortcuts but with a nice integration into our century of desktop computing
[01:40] <Sharn> Rofl.
[01:41] <maxamillion> :)
[01:41] <Sharn> I wouldn't be able to use the shortcuts anyhow
[01:41] <maxamillion> syamajala: why you do so much lisp stuffs?
[01:41] <Sharn> Too much to remember.
[01:41] <Jester45> hello
[01:41] <Sharn> -hides-
[01:41] <maxamillion> Sharn: if you won't be using shortcuts, i recommend something like scite or geany
[01:41] <Jester45> Sharn: what are you doing
[01:41] <atarinox> hey what're those desktop graphics called which show different performance stats?
[01:42] <syamajala> maxamillion: i like it
[01:42] <Sharn> Meh. I don't code much anyway. Just a little php that Bluefish will do. (Or Dreamweaver, in Windows)
[01:42] <maxamillion> syamajala: fair enough ... i had to learn some basic stuff in high school in lisp but ever since then i have been coding in other stuff .... so far i really like java and python, but i will code C when i have to
[01:42] <maxamillion> Sharn: cool cool
[01:43] <maxamillion> atarinox: huh?
[01:43] <syamajala> oh
[01:43] <syamajala> they have java it my school
[01:43] <syamajala> in*
[01:43] <syamajala> but thats it
[01:43] <syamajala> i'm doing an independent study of lisp
[01:43] <syamajala> for .5 credit
[01:43] <maxamillion> syamajala: we learned java for the class in high school but we learned lisp as part of some national testing thing
[01:43] <Jester45> maxamillion: maybe atarinox means somthing like the system load moniter?
[01:43] <maxamillion> Jester45: oooo
[01:43] <maxamillion> Jester45: or conky
[01:44] <atarinox> maxamillion: i've seen it in desktop screenshots...it shows maybe available ram, psu usage, cpu temp....all in some text which is permanently on your desktop
[01:44] <Sharn> Or a desklets thing?
[01:44] <atarinox> Sharn: yeah maybe desklet
[01:44] <Sharn> I think it's probably gDesklets or aDesklets he's talkign about.
[01:44] <DrX0DrX0> Hello, is there a way to see what apt-get packages are available?
[01:44] <atarinox> is that in any repository?
[01:45] <Sharn> atarinox: What are your specs? If you're computer is fast, gDesklets is a lot easier to use in my opinion.
[01:45] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: do you mean the packages you downloaded?
[01:45] <maxamillion> atarinox: i think you mean conky ... its in the respoistories and http://conky.sourceforge.net will help you with configuration
[01:45] <Sharn> And I think both are in the repos.
[01:45] <syamajala> hmm
[01:45] <syamajala> my system can't handle extreme transparency
[01:45] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I want to see which one's are available for download
[01:45] <syamajala> its messy.
[01:45] <Sharn> DrX0DrX0: Just open Synaptic?
[01:45] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: all of the should be
[01:45] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I was told to apt-get a package that is no longer there
[01:46] <maxamillion> syamajala: i honestly monitor my system with a terminal window open running htop
[01:46] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: IF YOU SEE THEM YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THEM
[01:46] <DrX0DrX0> Sharn, I tried Synaptic but it doesn't show the package
[01:46] <maxamillion> !caps | Jester45
[01:46] <ubotu> Jester45: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:46] <DrX0DrX0> Jester, what do you mean?
[01:46] <Jester45> sorry i has caps on
[01:46] <maxamillion> DrX0DrX0: if you can see a package in synaptic then it can be installed
[01:46] <syamajala> maxamillion: i used to use adesklets
[01:46] <Sharn> DrX0DrX0: Just open synaptic and search for the same thing.
[01:46] <DrX0DrX0> Sharn, I don't think what I want is available in Synaptic.
[01:47] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: what was the package you were told to tdownload
[01:47] <Sharn> Then it's not in the repos.
[01:47] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386
[01:47] <Sharn> Synaptic shows everything available to download in the repos you have in your repos list.
[01:47] <maxamillion> syamajala: yeah, aDesklets are my favorite of the desklet world ... so light weight
[01:47] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: synaptic uses apt-get...so if one has the other has...unless its a old version
[01:48] <Jester45> Sharn: it doesnt know about older packages
[01:48] <syamajala> they also look nice
[01:48] <syamajala> but they are a pain to get running sometimes
[01:49] <DrX0DrX0> I searched for Xen and it only seems to show management tools.
[01:49] <syamajala> hmm
[01:49] <maxamillion> syamajala: this is true
[01:49] <syamajala> emacs comes with some gui but its ugly.
[01:50] <Sharn> Mine won't run now. :P I had a couple desklets running, but they won't now for whatever reason. Probably deleted them somehow.
[01:50] <maxamillion> syamajala: :(
[01:50] <atarinox> i'm not sure these g or a desklets are what i was looking for...they seem to be more like widgets
[01:50] <atarinox> ill see if i can find a screen of what im talking about
[01:50] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: try running: sudo apt-get -t 3.0* install xen-hypervisor
[01:51] <Sharn> Ooooh. They are pretty much widgets.
[01:51] <DrX0DrX0> and, don't I need to be concerned that it says -i386 if I have a 64-bit processor, wouldn't that give me the wrong Xenified (32-bit) kernel?>
[01:51] <maxamillion> atarinox: did you try conky like i told you?
[01:51] <Jester45> thats should be somthing like what you want i never tried that option
[01:51] <syamajala> doh
[01:51] <atarinox> maxamillion: yeah i looked at that...seemed more like it, but not exactly
[01:51] <syamajala> i didn't install the right thing
[01:51] <Jester45> maxamillion: he might be looking for DSL's thing
[01:51] <maxamillion> atarinox: hhhmmmm ... maybe gkrellm2
[01:52] <maxamillion> Jester45: DSL runs the mother project to conky and conky is themeable the same ... kinda like fluxbox to blackbox
[01:52] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, "couldn't find package xen-hypervisor"
[01:53] <syamajala> i'm disappointed that wireless doesn't work
[01:53] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: try the same thing but the the 3.0whatever at the end
[01:53] <atarinox> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=770&slide=3
[01:53] <atarinox> is that conky in the upper right?
[01:54] <Sharn> Ooooh.
[01:54] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, including the -t?
[01:54] <Sharn> That's a default for the WM, I think. That's DSL, right?
[01:54] <syamajala> atarinox: it is
[01:55] <maxamillion> atarinox: its technically not conky, but its the project that conky is based off of and you can make conky look like it
[01:55] <maxamillion> i gotta go ... i am getting off work
[01:55] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: sudo apt-get -t 3.0* install xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386
[01:55] <atarinox> oh ok...thanks
[01:55] <maxamillion> laters all
[01:55] <syamajala> oh
[01:55] <syamajala> i thought it was conky...
[01:56] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, same error
[01:56] <DrX0DrX0> that's why i was asking if there's a way too see what's available so i'll know the package name
[01:57] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: i searched for it wihtmy apt and its there... do you have all the repos enabled?
[01:57] <Jester45> xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386 is the exact name
[01:58] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I was told to enable the universe in .etc/apt/sources.list (I uncommented them but took no further action)
[01:58] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, it does show (universe) packages in Synaptic
[01:58] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: you have to run sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <Jester45> thats redownloads the list of packages
[01:59] <Jester45> with new versions and the new repo
[01:59] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, oh, yeah, I did that
[01:59] <Jester45> also
[01:59] <Jester45> try sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:59] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, and I also ran Synaptic Reload
[01:59] <DrX0DrX0> Did that too
[01:59] <Jester45> k
[02:00] <DrX0DrX0> do i need to tell it to install the updates, etc?
[02:00] <Sharn> Anyone think Xubuntu will run as fast as Zenwalk? Just wondering. :P
[02:00] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: to get updates run sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:01] <DrX0DrX0> i did that and -update
[02:01] <DrX0DrX0> -upgrade says 0
[02:01] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: you must first do reload so that apt knows you got a new version to dl
[02:02] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: what are you talking about... you have to run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[02:03] <Jester45> without quotes
[02:03] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I did (1) reload in Synaptic (2) -upgrade shows 0 (3) -update (4B in 6s)
[02:04] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, still don't see Xen in Synaptic
[02:04] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: just forget the synaptic run "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade" without quotes and if nothing gets updaetd then your up-to-date
[02:04] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, isn't -386 32-bit?
[02:05] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, -upgrade shows all 0's, -update has the same list over & over
[02:05] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: its the only one in the repos and yes it is
[02:05] <Sharn> x86_64 is 64 bit...
[02:06] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: then you are up to date
[02:06] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I have 64-bit Ubuntu
[02:06] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, perhaps it's not showing it because it won't work with 64-bit?
[02:06] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: well i dont know if thats gonna work then it could be only for 32bit or just optimized for 32 bit
[02:07] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: the update get a new list of packages that you *may* download and upgrade gets newer versions of the packages you have installed
[02:07] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, I know it comes with a new kernel
[02:07] <Jester45> to get the package you told me you run
[02:07] <Jester45> sudo apt-get install xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386
[02:08] <Jester45> thats the only package that has xen,-hypervisor in the name osso there is ony 64bit version
[02:08] <Sharn> You might be able to just compile it too.
[02:08] <Jester45> the above packages may work for you im not sure i never mesed with that i stick to 32 bit
[02:08] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, how would I go about finding out?
[02:08] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: install it and try to run it
[02:09] <Jester45> if it runs then yea! if not then yu have to complie
[02:09] <DrX0DrX0> Jester45, it keeps telling me "Couldn't find package xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386
[02:09] <Sharn> I would just compile it.
[02:09] <Sharn> http://www.xensource.com/download/index_3.0.4.html
[02:10] <Sharn> Actually, that might get a little complicated...
[02:11] <DrX0DrX0> Sharn, yeah, I've never had much luck compiling things
[02:11] <DrX0DrX0> I do have Fedora 64-bit and I see they've integrated Xen, but I kind of wanted to stick with Ubuntu
[02:13] <Sharn> I don't think linux is ready for 64 bit, personally...
[02:14] <Sharn> I can run 64 bit - I just decided to go 32 bit because I heard of all the problems. =\
[02:14] <DrX0DrX0> Sharn, well, I can certainly run 32-bit Ubuntu, but I have a beefy 64-bit server
[02:15] <DrX0DrX0> Sharn, I don't think anything is ready for 64-bit
[02:15] <Sharn> Ahh. Does it go any faster or anything?
[02:15] <DrX0DrX0> 64-bit:  faster, +++++ more memory support (256GB)
[02:15] <DrX0DrX0> 32-bit maxes out at 4GB
[02:15] <Sharn> Just less software support. =\
[02:16] <Sharn> And yeah, I know that. My computers all max at 2Gb or less anyhow =P
[02:19] <cellofellow> :) Hello
[02:20] <Sharn> Hey
[02:22] <Sharn> Gonna be hard to choose between Zenwalk and Xubuntu.
[02:23] <cellofellow> What's Zenwalks package management like?
[02:23] <Sharn> It's Slackware based... I'm not really sure.
[02:24] <Sharn> I really like *buntu's package management, I have to admit...
[02:24] <cellofellow> Debian's apt package manager rocks. Slackware uses just binary tarballs I think.
[02:26] <Sharn> Mostly, I'll be getting a 433Mhz (Hopefully) laptop. Either one with 28Mb RAM or one with 32. I'll be getting 128 more, but I want to get the mst out f it I can.
[02:26] <cellofellow> only 28MB on a 400Mhz box?
[02:26] <Sharn> I know, I don't get it either.
[02:26] <Sharn> =\
[02:27] <cellofellow> I have a Pentium 160Mhz with 32MB. That makes sense.
[02:27] <cellofellow> (not Xubuntu, Debian Net-install minimal.)
[02:27] <Sharn> 6Gb disks too. Every other equivalent system I've seen comes with at least 64...
[02:28] <Sharn> Then, I have a desktop here with a 600Mhx that only came with 64Mb too.
[02:28] <Sharn> Mhz*
[02:28] <cellofellow> I've a 450Mhz box that came with 13GB, and another that came with 9GB disk.
[02:29] <cellofellow> 450Mhz with 96MB RAM is slow going. Luckily mine is 320MB.
[02:29] <Sharn> Rofl. Must a be really low end laptops... I don't know. One's an AMD, too.
[02:29] <Sharn> The 28Mb one is actually the AMD.
[02:29] <cellofellow> Not lappy's, desktop's circa 1999.
[02:29] <cellofellow> Intel PIII Katmai.
[02:30] <Sharn> PIII's are 450Mhz?
[02:30] <cellofellow> the both of em. One's a Compaq, the other a Micron. One is Windows 98 and is buggy and unstable. The Xubuntu.
[02:30] <Sharn> I thought PII's got that high..
[02:30] <cellofellow> They go as high 900Mhz, with the Coppermine-T core.
[02:30] <cellofellow> mine's a Katmai, so it's slow, old-school.
[02:31] <Sharn> Oh, ok, rofl. I don't have any idea what model eaither of these are. The AMD is a K5 or something.. The other one's manual is VERY vague.
[02:32] <Sharn> Besides it's an "Ashton Digital" that cannot be found online no matter what you try. =\
[02:32] <cellofellow> oh, :(
[02:32] <DrX0DrX0> I installed Ubuntu on a Windows server now Windows is not offered as a boot option -- how do I get that back?
[02:33] <cellofellow> !grub
[02:33] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:33] <Sharn> Really? It's always done greatconfiguring Grub for me.
[02:33] <cellofellow> try the second link
[02:33] <DrX0DrX0> no, other way around
[02:33] <DrX0DrX0> I lost Windows after installing GRUB
[02:33] <cellofellow> I said try the second link.
[02:33] <Sharn> Lol
[02:34] <Sharn> The very first time I isntalled screwed up the whole computer, but that's because the partitions were too big for WinME.
[02:34] <tictacaddict> has anybody here installed XFCE4.4 final on edgy eft?
[02:35] <cellofellow> don't
[02:35] <Sharn> People have tried. It always ends up in a huge mess.
[02:36] <cellofellow> upgrade to Feisty development stuff.
[02:36] <cellofellow> if you insist.
[02:36] <cellofellow> Or, use Debian Sid if you don't like how Ubuntu drifts out of date. (Not so much as Debian Sarge though.)
[02:37] <Sharn> Heh. 6.06 is still using Firefox 1.5, isn't it?
[02:37] <cellofellow> yup
[02:37] <tictacaddict> I have been thinking about trying one of those.  really my computer is running well right now though
[02:37] <Sharn> Ugh. -cringes-
[02:37] <tictacaddict> actually... it won't shut down.  forgot about that
[02:37] <cellofellow> same here
[02:37] <cellofellow> Linux shuts down, but the box stays on.
[02:37] <cellofellow> at least reboot works
[02:37] <DrX0DrX0> I don't get how to get windows back from that article.
[02:38] <tictacaddict> well it is a new problem.  it gets stuck somewhere in the shutdown scripts
[02:38] <Sharn> I've never had problems with that. At least with Linux. (WinME did that...)
[02:38] <cellofellow> DrX0DrX0: you add an entry for Windows in the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:39] <cellofellow> Sharn: same thing on my Debian server box that I usually don't shutdown. It's got an old 2.4 kernel though.
[02:40] <Sharn> I'd love to try debian on a laptop, but it's too... hands on for me.
[02:40] <Sharn> Too much to just get it working. :P
[02:40] <cellofellow> you want hands on use Gentoo.
[02:40] <cellofellow> actually, debian is pretty friendly.
[02:40] <Sharn> Rofl.. I know. I'm definitely too newb to compile a kernel.
[02:40] <DrX0DrX0> cellofellow, um, how?
[02:41] <cellofellow> DrX0DrX0: it doesn't say in the wikipage?
[02:41] <Sharn> (For Gentoo ^) Debian looked alright, but I'm more into the simple install and go thing.
[02:41] <DrX0DrX0> cellofellow, I don't know what the parameters are supposed to be
[02:42] <cellofellow> DrX0DrX0: there may be help in #ubuntu or #grub
[02:42] <cellofellow> I don't know, never dual-booted
[02:42] <cellofellow> duel-booted*
[02:42] <cellofellow> (hehe)
[02:43] <Sharn> Never? And you actually had it right the first time. :P
[02:43] <cellofellow> This box came with FC3. blegh.
[02:43] <cellofellow> Before that I have no idea what was on it.
[02:43] <cellofellow> probably Windows 98 in its first life.
[02:46] <tictacaddict> DrX0DrX0: are you trying to add a windows boot option in grub?
[02:46] <DrX0DrX0> yup
[02:46] <tictacaddict> there might be an example in the comments of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:46] <DrX0DrX0> nope
[02:46] <tictacaddict> if not I am trying to put my entry on pastebin
[02:47] <tictacaddict> though it's really not very long
[02:47] <tictacaddict> http://pastebin.com/886293
[02:47] <tictacaddict> that is with windows as the first partition on the first drive
[02:48] <Sharn> I found FC to be very big and slow.
[02:49] <tictacaddict> really?  I heard FC is quite fast.  or did you mean 3?
[02:49] <cellofellow> I gave it about 12 hours.
[02:49] <tictacaddict> *that FC6 is fast
[02:50] <Sharn> I have 5...
[02:51] <tictacaddict> I have never actually used it (except for FC3, but that was a while ago)
[02:51] <Sharn> Is FC on KDE?
[02:52] <Sharn> I only ran it in VMware...
[02:52] <DrX0DrX0> thanks, that worked, but how do I get the menu to show up instead of having to press ESC in a tiny 3-second window of time?>
[02:52] <tictacaddict> delete or comment the line that says hidemenu
[02:53] <tictacaddict> er, hiddenmenu
[02:53] <Sharn> Hey, do I need to unmount a USB harddrive before unplugging it?
[02:53] <tictacaddict> and you can change "timeout 3" to something longer if you want as well
[02:54] <Sharn> Or does it not really matter?
[02:55] <tictacaddict> Sharn: I think it can cause problems if you don't.
[02:55] <Sharn> Alright.
[02:55] <tictacaddict> not sure how big but I would say it's better to unmount it
[02:56] <Sharn> Xubuntu makes it pretty easy anyhow
[02:56] <tictacaddict> mmhm
[02:58] <tictacaddict> I installed a bunch of *-dev packages with apt-get build-dep.  is there an easy way to remove all of those now that I built the program?
[02:58] <Sharn> Can't you just "apt-get remove build-dep"?
[02:59] <tictacaddict> I don't think so because it's not a pacakge
[02:59] <tictacaddict> nope, tried it
[03:00] <Sharn> Oh, hmm. Got me then.
[03:00] <cellofellow> ummmmm, look at logs and find out what was installed and remove it?
[03:00] <tictacaddict> good enough for me.  which logs though?
[03:01] <tictacaddict> I just wondered if there was something like autoremove for that
[03:02] <cellofellow> dunno what logs.
[03:02] <Jester45> what did you install
[03:02] <Jester45> there is autoremove
[03:02] <Jester45> but its for packagges that are not depended on
[03:03] <Jester45> like you install package A but package A needs B & C
[03:03] <tictacaddict> I wanted the newest xfce4-notes-plugin so I downloaded the source from the website
[03:03] <cellofellow> -dev packages won't be depended on once the build is complete.
[03:03] <Jester45> so apt installs those and if you remove A
[03:03] <Jester45> then sudo atp-get autoremove will remobe B & C
[03:03] <tictacaddict> then I said "sudo apt-get build-dep xfce4-notes-plugin"
[03:05] <cellofellow> oooh. I can't seem to find the Debian net-install floppy images. No links on Debian.org, though it talks about them.
[03:05] <tictacaddict> it installed a bunch of packages.  then "./configure && make && sudo checkingstall"
[03:05] <tictacaddict> I didn't use apt-get for the actual package though
[03:05] <tictacaddict> *checkinstall
[03:05] <Jester45> i tried them but it didnt work
[03:05] <Jester45> :(
[03:11] <cellofellow> where are they?
[03:12] <Jester45> tictacaddict: well what did you install
[03:12] <DrX0DrX0> so, I'm trying to install a package and it says ""Dependency is not satisfyable:  libsysfs1" I have libsysfs2
[03:13] <Sharn> Get libsysfs1, if it's available.
[03:13] <Jester45> DrX0DrX0: you install the 1 version but apt cant get it
[03:13] <Jester45> you need to install*
[03:14] <DrX0DrX0> use install* instead of install?
[03:14] <cellofellow> nonono
[03:14] <tictacaddict> Jester45: I said, xfce4-notes-plugin
[03:16] <syamajala> anyone use gtkpbbuttons?
[03:19] <Jester45> tictacaddict: is that what you apt-get ed? try apt-get remove build-essentials
[03:21] <tictacaddict> apt-get build-dep xfce4-notes-plugin is what I used to install the necessary packages
[03:21] <tictacaddict> build-essential was already installed, I don't think it depends on those
[03:21] <cellofellow> and you didn't take not of what it installed?
[03:21] <cellofellow> unless your hard drive is just crying for space, I'd say let it lie.
[03:22] <tictacaddict> no.  I would not be crushed if I couldn't uninstall them, I just figure I don't need them.  I uninstalled them just now though manually
[03:22] <tictacaddict> the log is at /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:22] <Jester45> cant you just go back untill you reach the part htis installing the packages then copy/paste them?
[03:23] <tictacaddict> I closed that window, so I don't think so
[03:24] <tictacaddict> but I found the packages in the log, so for now it's no longer an issue.  I'll probably c/p next time if I use build-dep
[03:26] <Jester45> i would just leave hem unless you dont want to or need the space
[03:26] <Sharn> Same ^
[03:28] <cellofellow> He said he doesn't want to
[03:29] <Jester45> yea.. but i can give my option
[03:34] <tictacaddict> rlocate!
[03:35] <Sharn> :O Which is?
[03:36] <tictacaddict> it is like slocate but it's always up to date
[03:36] <tictacaddict> http://rlocate.sourceforge.net/
[03:36] <cellofellow> how's it do that?
[03:37] <tictacaddict> it has a kernel module that watches for file creation/deletion etc
[03:37] <cellofellow> cool
[03:37] <tictacaddict> which by the way conflicts with SELinux and Default Linux Capabilities
[03:37] <tictacaddict> it IS cool
[03:37] <tictacaddict> I do not use SELinux and don't know what Default Linux Capabilities does
[03:38] <Sharn> Still not sure what it is. xD
[03:38] <cellofellow> command-line file search utility is slocate.
[03:38] <Sharn> Ahhh.
[03:38] <Jester45> Sharn: how about gtk-gnutella?
[03:38] <cellofellow> slocate == secure locate. rlocate must == real-time locate.
[03:38] <Sharn> Rofl... again.
[03:39] <Stu_2> what is up with the add/remove app in xubuntu in addition to synaptic?  I noticed synaptic could find more things when I enabled more repositories... is there an advantage to the other?
[03:39] <tictacaddict> hmm I have to go.
[03:39] <tictacaddict> so I will
[03:39] <tictacaddict> bye everyone
[03:40] <cellofellow> Easier for absolute newbs. I think it'll be replaced by Linspire's CNR in Feisty.
[03:40] <Jester45> Stu_2: the add/remove app is basic synatic is more advance
[03:40] <cellofellow> it will in Ubuntu, dunno about Xubuntu.
[03:40] <Stu_2> gotcha, thanks.
[03:41] <cellofellow> and aptitude rules them all.
[03:41] <Stu_2> what is different about it ?
[03:41] <Sharn> gtk-gnutella looks kinda cramped...
[03:41] <Jester45> o complie the gtk2 version please
[03:42] <cellofellow> Stu_2: it's semi-graphical and handles the /removal/ of dependancies very well.
[03:42] <Stu_2> ahh
[03:42] <Jester45> http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/apt-for-ubuntu
[03:42] <Sharn> Jester45:I'm not sure what you want rofl. You were talking about me compiling it for you, but I have no idea how that will work. :P
[03:42] <Jester45> hehe cellofellow you should know your own site
[03:43] <cellofellow> hehe, that's just a little blurb for a friend.
[03:43] <Jester45> Sharn: do you have 32 bit?
[03:43] <syamajala> i can't get pbbuttonsd to work
[03:43] <cellofellow> !pbbuttons
[03:43] <Sharn> Yeah
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pbbuttons - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <cellofellow> no idea what that is
[03:44] <Jester45> Sharn: then you should be able to compile it for me just dont do make install
[03:45] <Sharn> So just compile then make?
[03:45] <Jester45> yes the make install will mess it up i think
[03:45] <Jester45> or...
[03:46] <Jester45> make a .deb for me :)
[03:49] <cellofellow> why not do it yourself Jester45?
[03:53] <Sharn> I agree. xD It has an insanely long configure script.
[03:55] <Prisoner_> hi
[03:55] <Sharn> Hey, your back
[03:56] <Sharn> Rofl, Jester45, where are the files going to be? :P
[03:59] <Prisoner_> trying to work some bugs out of my printer
[04:00] <Sharn> What's the problem?
[04:00] <Prisoner_> my HP Deskjet 712C is printing pages in their actual order on screen so I have to rearrange them when it's finished, but I found the fix
[04:01] <Prisoner_> had to add an extra line to the ppd file
[04:01] <Sharn> Ahh.
[04:02] <Prisoner_> to tell it to print in reverse
[04:02] <Prisoner_> I'm also in search of a good DVD burning program
[04:02] <Jester45> video dvds?
[04:02] <Prisoner_> also added some cool stuff to the taskbar up top
[04:03] <Prisoner_> yes
[04:03] <Jester45> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/2058219
[04:03] <Prisoner_> may just bite the bullet and use K3B, I know it's a KDE app, but I'm told it's great
[04:04] <Jester45> if its an iso you need to mount the iso then you can use the commandat the bottom
[04:04] <Jester45> i have gnome and kde :) the whole thing
[04:04] <Sharn> Jester45: make is done. I THINK it will run from just the "src" directory.
[04:04] <Prisoner_> I have Xubuntu with XFCE and it runs pretty good
[04:05] <Jester45> yea thats why you dont use make install
[04:05] <Prisoner_> I put the meters on my taskbar to show CPU, RAM, and Swap use, seems minimal most of the time
[04:05] <Sharn> It doesn't have a make or make install in the src directory, though.
[04:06] <Jester45> Prisoner_: the system load moniter??? its it nice
[04:06] <Prisoner_> yep
[04:06] <Prisoner_> it is, I also have the temperature next to it
[04:06] <Sharn> There's a temp monitor?
[04:06] <Jester45> Prisoner_: try the network moniter that is all so nice
[04:07] <Sharn> Is all this default in Xubuntu?
[04:07] <Jester45> i dont need a temp moniter
[04:07] <Jester45> i have a AC tube running around the parts
[04:08] <Sharn> I don't either. I just want to compare it to Windows. Which sits at like 45c most the time, I think.
[04:08] <Prisoner_> not the CPU temp, the weather
[04:08] <Sharn> OH
[04:08] <Sharn> Rofl... I see. xD
[04:09] <Jester45> Prisoner_: i know that one also i have about every one :)
[04:09] <Prisoner_> I tried the network monitor but took it off for now, couldn't figure out the name of my network connection
[04:09] <Jester45> Prisoner_: what type eternet? wifi? dailup?
[04:09] <Prisoner_> I just have a wired ethernet connection
[04:10] <Prisoner_> runs into a Linksys router which is run into a cable modem
[04:10] <Jester45> use eth0
[04:10] <Prisoner_> thanks! This online help community is pretty cool
[04:10] <Jester45> then set the max transfer speeds your internet is unless you do lots of lan transfers
[04:13] <Sharn> Prisoner_: were you the one trying to figure out the GPS program?
[04:13] <Prisoner_> yes I was
[04:14] <Prisoner_> I do some Geocaching
[04:14] <Sharn> You ever figure it out?
[04:16] <Prisoner_> no I didn't, put it on hold for now
[04:18] <Prisoner_> I'm now working on trying to get Xubuntu to work on my main machine
[04:19] <Prisoner_> got it dualbooted right now
[04:25] <Sharn> Oh, sorry, I was watching MythBusters. :P Congrats, though. Linux ftw. :)
[04:30] <Prisoner_> thanks, it's a learning experience to say the least
[04:30] <Prisoner_> I'm actually thinking about writing about it for my PC usergroup newsletter
[04:31] <Prisoner_> or starting my own blog about my journey into linux
[04:33] <Prisoner_> anyone ever use Alien?
[05:37] <jfcgauss> hi, how do i browse the network?
[05:38] <Stu_2> jfcgauss -- can you restate the question?  what are you looking for exactly ?
[05:41] <jfcgauss> i have a pentium m laptop with xubuntu 6.10. say my friend has win xp, has some share in the lan that we both are connected to. how do i browse the network and go/see that share?
[05:42] <Stu_2> have you played with samba yet ?
[05:43] <jfcgauss> well im trying to type smb:// into hunar address bar but it doesnt work, it should be installed btw, i can apparently create shares with smb
[05:43] <jfcgauss> thunar
[05:45] <Stu_2> I think you just need the client...  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[05:51] <jfcgauss> ok thx but say i dont want automatically mounted shares, i just want to browse the network, how do i do it? with thunar? after installing smbfs?
[05:51] <Stu_2> just don't edit your fstab
[05:51] <Stu_2> just use the smbfs string at the shell
[05:53] <bigredradio> "Network Settings" sees my wireless as a wired network. Anyone heard of this before?
[06:37] <Iphigenia> Hi! I have lost access to the 'Desktop Menu' both on right click on the desktop and also as an entry on the top left of the screen. Xubuntu Edgy 6.10. Is there a terminal command to reset?
[06:43] <Iphigenia> is there anybody ..... out there ....?      ?the Wall
[06:46] <Iphigenia> here i sit naked by the phone ..... waiting for someone to call   ..... I am almost sure that is Pink Floyd 'The Wall'
[06:49] <Iphigenia> o well cyall later
[07:22] <fullmetal> hi
[07:23] <fullmetal> somebody got a sec for an instal question
[07:23] <fullmetal> ?
[07:27] <grazie> !ask | fullmetal
[07:27] <ubotu> fullmetal: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:04] <frojnd> how can I install xvid codecs
[09:04] <frojnd> and mpr support for qxine
[09:06] <frojnd> mp3*
[09:06] <frojnd> hello anaone here
[09:07] <frojnd> or where are how tos for xubuntu?
[09:07] <DarthLappy> !docs
[09:07] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[09:08] <frojnd> oh and how can I put some shortcuts next to application
[09:08] <frojnd> if that's even option :)
[09:08] <DarthLappy> I'm not sure what you mean.
[09:09] <frojnd> I just installed xubuntu
[09:09] <frojnd> so on the top left Is: Applocation and shortcut for firefox
[09:09] <frojnd> how can I add there terminal shorctu
[09:09] <frojnd> next to firefox
[09:09] <DarthLappy> ubotu: tell frojnd about enter
[09:09] <DarthLappy> And you just right click the panel and select "Add New Item"
[09:10] <frojnd> well there isn't any "Terminal"
[09:11] <DarthLappy> Just add a Launcher.
[09:11] <DarthLappy> You'll probably want xfce4-terminal as the command, unless you use another
[09:17] <frojnd> well that's strange
[09:17] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7002/
[09:17] <frojnd> my sources list
[09:17] <frojnd> I enabled muliverse and universe
[09:17] <frojnd> but still can't get libxine-extracodecs
[09:18] <frojnd> aha
[09:18] <frojnd> apt can't be found :D
[09:18] <frojnd> what is used in xubuntu instead of apt-kubuntu
[09:19] <DarthLappy> There's Synaptic as a visual tool, and apt-get or aptitude as command-line tools.
[09:26] <frojnd> I've installed all need packages for Multimedia support but gxine stilla can't play mp3s..
[09:26] <frojnd> it jus tjump to try open another mp3 and when it checks for all playlist it stops..
[09:27] <DarthLappy> Did you restart gxine, etc? :P
[09:27] <frojnd> am
[09:27] <frojnd> no..
[09:29] <frojnd> still dosn't work
[09:29] <frojnd> and when I try to play avi it's just music
[09:34] <frojnd> any ideas?
[09:35] <kumamoto> this is just my 2c
[09:35] <kumamoto> gxine is crap
[09:35] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[09:35] <kumamoto> no offense to those who use it
[09:35] <kumamoto> rather mess with mplayer than with gxine
[09:36] <frojnd> mplayer is also for music an dvideo
[09:36] <DarthLappy> gxine works fine for videos, but I'd rather use something else for music.
[09:36] <frojnd> I need one player for music and for video
[09:37] <frojnd> so than: what's good for music, like amarok or smth less powerful?
[09:37] <DarthLappy> amarok is a bit KDE-y.
[09:38] <DarthLappy> I don't mind Quod-Libet as my music player.
[09:38] <kumamoto> for video mplayer for music oooooooo there is a bunch I loved audacious as a xmms replacement but xubuntu doesn't have good support on it
[09:39] <kumamoto> but there is a bunch you can choose from depending on the features you are looking for
[09:39] <frojnd> check this out: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7004/
[09:39] <frojnd> smth about: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7004/
[09:39] <frojnd> arh, smth a bout: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:40] <kumamoto> synaptic is running
[09:40] <frojnd> me dummy
[09:41] <frojnd> that's strange strange
[09:41] <kumamoto> if want music player with ipod support if you have one use one called 'Banshee'
[09:41] <frojnd> as a matter of fact I don't have libxine-extracodecs
[09:42] <kumamoto> http://banshee-project.org/Main_Page
[09:42] <DarthLappy> That's probably why then :P
[09:42] <frojnd> even when I enabled multiverse and universe and than update the system..
[09:42] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7002/
[09:42] <DarthLappy> I think it's in restricted, actually.
[09:42] <frojnd> please check my sources.list
[09:43] <DarthLappy> Or maybe not.
[09:43] <kumamoto> what errors do you get when running 'sudo apt-get update' with that source-list
[09:43] <kumamoto> ?
[09:43] <frojnd> OMG
[09:43] <DarthLappy> Err, you don't seem to have multiverse...
[09:43] <frojnd> my mistake my bad
[09:44] <DarthLappy> :)
[09:44] <frojnd> I didn't see tha last 2 lines
[09:44] <frojnd> couse I was to lazy to scroll the terminal down..
[09:44] <frojnd> :S
[09:44] <frojnd> gee I need some rest
[09:49] <frojnd> Ok now I've enabled everything: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7005/  and still can't find extracodecs: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7006/
[09:51] <kumamoto> what do you get when you run 'sudo aptitude search extracodecs'
[09:51] <frojnd> nothing
[09:52] <frojnd> just another line
[09:52] <kumamoto> i guess you don't have it
[09:52] <hyper_ch> frojnd: you can't get mp3s to ruN?
[09:52] <kumamoto> switch
[09:52] <hyper_ch> !codecs
[09:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:52] <frojnd> hyper_ch: I can't get packages from multiverse universe
[09:52] <hyper_ch> mp3 support is not in multiverse
[09:53] <DarthLappy> hyper_ch: I think it is...
[09:53] <frojnd> it is..
[09:53] <DarthLappy> frojnd: You still don't seem to have multiverse added.
[09:53] <hyper_ch> it's in seveas' repo... I think
[09:53] <DarthLappy> http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse would be the line you're looking for.
[09:53] <DarthLappy> You only have universe, main and restricted for "edgy".
[09:54] <frojnd> deb http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:54] <frojnd> deb-src http://si.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:54] <frojnd> and what is mulitverse at the end of the lines?
[09:54] <hyper_ch> apt-get -y install libdvdcss2 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui w32codecs mplayer
[09:55] <frojnd> hyper_ch ?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> and add this repo to your list:  deb  http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl edgy-seveas all
[09:55] <DarthLappy> I don't think you really need the gstreamer stuff if you're only using gxine.
[09:55] <DarthLappy> And the seveas repo probably isn't necessary, either.
[09:56] <hyper_ch> DarthLappy: the rectricted guide did tell so at one time
[09:56] <hyper_ch> DarthLappy: I use it and it works
[09:56] <frojnd> ok we are missing the point here
[09:56] <DarthLappy> Yes, we probably are.
[09:56] <frojnd> Do I have or do I have not multiverse??
[09:57] <DarthLappy> frojnd: You do, but not for the main edgy repo. You have it added for backports only.
[09:57] <hyper_ch> DarthLappy: in the updated restricted guide format you still have to get gstreamer
[09:57] <esc_on_anakin> may the multiverse be with you
[09:57] <frojnd> DarthLappy: couldt u paste the repos I need for multiverse?
[09:57] <frojnd> couse or where do I have to weite "miltiverse"
[09:57] <hyper_ch> frojnd: just add multiverse at the end of the lines
[09:57] <frojnd> write*
[09:58] <hyper_ch> frojnd: e.g.   deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[09:58] <hyper_ch> deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[09:58] <hyper_ch> ...
[09:58] <hyper_ch> ...
[09:58] <hyper_ch> ...
[09:59] <hyper_ch> ah, seveas' repo is needed for dvds :) that was it :)
[09:59] <frojnd> well now we are talking :) tnx
[10:00] <hyper_ch> and also the w32codecs may be in seveas' repo
[10:00] <frojnd> hyper_ch what sexy audio program do u use
[10:00] <frojnd> I wanna have the same
[10:01] <hyper_ch> amarok
[10:01] <frojnd> on xubuntu?
[10:01] <frojnd> but this is kde
[10:01] <hyper_ch> why
[10:01] <hyper_ch> why not
[10:01] <hyper_ch> I run tons of kde appz
[10:01] <frojnd> couse I don't have memory in tons..
[10:01] <DarthLappy> You *can* use amarok, but you need to get the KDE libs.
[10:01] <frojnd> I need smthing small and nice
[10:02] <hyper_ch> amarok, konversation, konqueror, kftpgrabber, krdc, krfb, kopete, kontact, ......
[10:02] <frojnd> or just nice and no memory to eat
[10:02] <hyper_ch> I tend to think amarok isn't so much a pure kde program anymore
[10:02] <DarthLappy> Well, I've recommended Quod Libet, but I don't know how that goes for memory. It works fine on this 256MB laptop.
[10:02] <frojnd> perfect
[10:02] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.17-10-generic running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 992/1010MB, 144 proc's, 16.32h up
[10:03] <hyper_ch> konversation thinks I'm running kde :)
[10:03] <DarthLappy> Probably because you have the KDE 3.5.5 libs...
[10:04] <hyper_ch> oh well, tuesday I'll try on feisty again
[10:04] <hyper_ch> if I can get vmware to run there it would be nice
[10:05] <frojnd> DarthLappy: what's the terminal name of Quot Libet ?
[10:05] <DarthLappy> quodlibet
[10:05] <frojnd> and what program do u have for music
[10:05] <DarthLappy> That's what I use.
[10:05] <DarthLappy> It's just an audio player.
[10:05] <frojnd> and what do u have for vide
[10:05] <frojnd> o
[10:05] <DarthLappy> I just use gxine for that.
[10:07] <frojnd> well smth ins wrog with sound
[10:07] <hyper_ch> vlc
[10:07] <hyper_ch> it's simply the best for vids
[10:07] <DarthLappy> Ya, VLC is nice.
[10:07] <frojnd> sound is all worng
[10:08] <kumamoto> i really love nomachines nixserver/client
[10:08] <hyper_ch> nx
[10:11] <frojnd> oh and what repo do I need for skype to be installed
[10:12] <DarthLappy> Oops...
[11:15] <tuxcrafter> How do I install SLiM  http://slim.berlios.de/index.php under xubuntu XFCE
[11:29] <tuxcrafter> !roulette
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about roulette - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <tuxcrafter> How do I install SLiM  http://slim.berlios.de/index.php under xubuntu XFCE
[11:59] <tamino7> hello guys
[11:59] <tamino7> i need to install my dsl
[11:59] <tamino7> i have dynamic IP
[12:00] <tamino7> and don't know how to install this
[12:00] <tamino7> now I am on other comp
[12:00] <tamino7> somehow ethernet card isn't recognized... so
[12:00] <tamino7> any idea how to install dsl
[12:01] <tamino7> I have password, username and I know its dsl :)
[12:01] <tamino7> !docs
[12:01] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[03:30] <joaospinto> hello guys
[03:31] <joaospinto> one doubt, to update from an older version of xubuntu is it necessary to reinstall?
[03:34] <moe_evil> no joaospinto
[03:35] <joaospinto> ok
[03:36] <moe_evil> what are yo using? xubuntu 6.06?
[03:36] <joaospinto> no
[03:36] <joaospinto> i was just asking
[03:36] <joaospinto> i use arch
[03:36] <moe_evil> aha
[03:36] <joaospinto> why aha
[03:36] <joaospinto> lol
[03:37] <moe_evil> ummm, it's a common expresion in my language
[03:37] <moe_evil> like "ok" or so
[03:37] <joaospinto> ah
[03:37] <joaospinto> ok
[03:38] <joaospinto> i thought it was like laughing :p
[03:38] <moe_evil> :)
[03:39] <joaospinto> i was planning to try xubuntu, but i was told that there is a speed difference between arch and xubuntu due to the cpu arch's used
[03:39] <joaospinto> is there any xubuntu version or something for 686?
[03:40] <grazie_> joaospinto: there is not a specific 686 build
[03:42] <joaospinto> ok
[03:47] <BounC> Bonjour !!
[03:49] <grazie> Buon giorno
[03:50] <causeur> Come vai ?
[03:50] <grazie> !fr | causeur
[03:50] <ubotu> causeur: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:50] <causeur> Lol
[03:51] <causeur> Sono un italiano vero
[03:51] <grazie> grazie: not really :)
[03:52] <causeur> Sono un italiano !!!!
[03:52] <causeur> Un poco
[03:52] <grazie> causeur: no, I'm a briitish
[03:52] <causeur> Oky
[03:52] <causeur> Very good
[03:52] <causeur> ^^
[03:53] <causeur> What are you doing ?
[05:00] <aoupi> hi, how can I make applications open behind current window?
[05:43] <slow-motion> halo
[05:43] <slow-motion> +l
[05:56] <morphir> where is the smb network located under thunar?
[05:59] <syamajala> anyone know where xfce themes are supposed to go?
[05:59] <syamajala> isn't it ~/.themes?
[06:00] <grazie> syamajala: yes and icons > ~/,icons
[06:01] <grazie> morphir: don't think thunar supports smb browsing yet
[06:02] <BFTD> syamajala, also try /usr/share/themes
[06:02] <morphir> grazie, how would I get to my network files trough x then?
[06:03] <morphir> grazie, is there any other solutions?
[06:06] <grazie> morphir: there's no restriction on access...just can't browse with thunat
[06:06] <grazie> moe_evil: you may want look at this >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[06:06] <grazie> morphir: ^^
[06:07] <grazie> moe_evil: sorry :)
[06:08] <moe_evil> :)
[06:09] <syamajala> grazie, did they change the format of themes between 4.2 and 4.4?
[06:09] <syamajala> because i got a theme from xfce-looks.org and its not showing up in the selector
[06:10] <grazie> syamajala: I think so...but not certain
[06:10] <grazie> syamajala: where did you put them?
[06:11] <syamajala> well i only tried one so far
[06:11] <syamajala> but i put it in ~/.themes
[06:11] <grazie> syamajala: try system area instead
[06:12] <syamajala> wow i am stupid.
[06:12] <grazie> syamajala: also xubuntu edgy->feisty shouldn't be a problem
[06:13] <grazie> syamajala: ?
[06:13] <syamajala> i was playing with the gui extractor thingy
[06:13] <syamajala> and i guess it didn't really extract it or something
[06:13] <grazie> syamajala: Xarch...?
[06:13] <syamajala> i used tar and it worked
[06:14] <grazie> Xarchiver doesn't always maintain the structure
[06:15] <syamajala> guess so
[06:15] <syamajala> because it was missing the xfwm4 dir
[06:15] <syamajala> everything was in the root dir of theme instead of it being name/xfwm4/
[06:20] <grazie> syamajala: I'd also be pretty cautious updating feisty on ppc...as ppc no longer supported and a lot of stuff isn't getting tested
[06:21] <syamajala> this isn't going to be permanent
[06:21] <syamajala> i just missed using xfce
[06:21] <syamajala> and didn't get to try out 4.4 either
[06:22] <syamajala> my x86 system has fallen in to disrepair and its kinda hard to get linux running on it
[08:06] <dejand> hello
[08:06] <dejand> how to change layout in xfce ?!
[08:10] <dejand> grazie,
[08:10] <dejand> how to change layout in xfce ?!
[08:11] <grazie> dejand: the panels?
[08:11] <dejand> all stuff
[08:11] <dejand> and in console same
[08:11] <dejand> i have slovenian, i want to have enlish
[08:13] <grazie> dejand: language...Applcations > System > Language Support
[08:14] <grazie> dejand: XFCE layout....Applications > Settings > Xfce Settings Manager > whatever your want to change
[08:16] <dejand> there's no xfce settings
[08:17] <grazie> dejand: there's lots...
[08:18] <grazie> dejand: corrected....Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > whatever your want to change
[08:19] <dejand> been there
[08:19] <dejand> there's no layout
[08:20] <grazie> dejand: I don't understand...what layout do you wish to change?
[08:20] <dejand> keyboard
[08:20] <dejand> as in windows alt shift, switches between layouts
[08:20] <dejand> or  ctrl shift in some distros...
[08:21] <dejand> if its set on that
[08:21] <grazie> dejand: dunno
[08:22] <dejand> you know on some layouts are y and z mixed up
[08:22] <dejand> and other keys..
[08:25] <grazie> dejand: do you mean keyboard mapping?
[08:25] <gpocentek> dejand: "setxkbmap en" in a terminal
[08:25] <dejand> gpocentek,  YES THIS
[08:26] <dejand> :+++++
[08:26] <dejand> :*** (i got used to this mapping)
[08:27] <dejand> thanks.
[09:12] <slow-motion> re
[09:46] <slow-motion> n8
[09:49] <Moniker42> hey
[09:49] <Moniker42> where can i find power management settings in xubuntu?
[10:08] <icicled> Moniker42, Monitor power management?
[10:08] <icicled> if so its in the screensaver settings
[10:09] <icicled> if you're talking about speedstep etc. then those are some other tools
[10:09] <icicled> packages
[10:35] <redwyrm> hello
[10:35] <redwyrm> I'm interested in replacing xfwm with ion
[10:35] <redwyrm> is there a way to do this?
[10:35] <redwyrm> and keep other xfce behavior the same?
[10:36] <sergiu> hello
[10:38] <redwyrm> sergiu, hi
[10:42] <sergiu> who know samba
[10:42] <sergiu> redwyrm hello
[10:42] <redwyrm> not me, sorry
[10:42] <redwyrm> I experimented with it a tiny bit years ago
[11:02] <frojnd> hello guys,.. I need some help
[11:02] <frojnd> what repos do I have to add to install skype?
[11:02] <redwyrm> I'm guessing multivers
[11:02] <redwyrm> multiverse*
[11:03] <frojnd> ...I have multiverse..
[11:03] <grazie> !skype | frojnd
[11:03] <ubotu> frojnd: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:07] <sergiu> hello
[11:07] <sergiu> i have install samba-doc
[11:07] <sergiu> were this document is placed to access it?
[11:08] <sergiu> where he was installed
[11:08] <sergiu> i installed it via synaptic
[11:09] <sergiu> i think that xubuntu linux play with me
[11:09] <redwyrm> try /usr/share/doc
[11:10] <sergiu> ok
[11:15] <Beltz> If I use the LiveCD on a USB drive, will I be able to install stuff and use it as any normal operating system?
[11:15] <Beltz> And be able to install new applications, etc. so that I can use it on various PCs?
[11:17] <redwyrm> it all depends on whether you BIOS allows you to boot from USB drive
[11:18] <grazie> Beltz: I believe it can be done...installation to where? installation to the USB drive would be very limited unless you rework it
[11:19] <Beltz> I was wondering if it was possible to just put the liveCD files in a USB card, boot from it, and be able to save stuff on it in the future..
[11:19] <Beltz> Basically, I'm wondering if its possible to carry my operating system, files, applications, with me, and boot linux on various computers without having to install anything there, while retaining my data/apps
[11:21] <grazie> Beltz: I'm sure what you want could be done, but like I said not with the live image as it. It's not designed to have extra apps or data added to it
[11:23] <Beltz> Is what I am looking for perhaps more something that I would find in "damn small linux" or those portable os?
[11:24] <grazie> Beltz: pretty sure you'd need to make your own distro... quite a lot of people are doing it....not as hard as it once was
[11:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Beltz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[11:25] <Beltz> okay
[11:25] <Beltz> thanks guys
[11:26] <Jester45> can someone please  report a broken package ? its gtk-gnutella
[11:26] <Jester45> its to outdated to work now it will not connect
[11:27] <Jester45> well it connects
[11:27] <Sharn> Rofl..
[11:27] <Jester45> but it is lacking is many things
[11:27] <Sharn> Just compile it yourself, rofl.
[11:27] <Sharn> It's not that bad. :P
[11:27] <Jester45> i cant figure it out
[11:28] <Jester45> i have complied before and i wouold like it to be placed in a good spot and be updateasble
[11:28] <sergiu> how to enter to an local ip adress
[11:28] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: interesting
[11:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Jester45: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[11:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Second paragraph has package request info.
[11:29] <Jester45> sergiu: enter it
[11:29] <Jester45> sergiu: if you want a localhost is 127.1.0.0 and for most networks a computer on the
[11:29] <sergiu> why smbclient -I 172.16.1.265 return me 0?
[11:30] <Jester45> lan is 192.168.*.*
[11:30] <sergiu> or return me usage
[11:30] <sergiu> jester45 what?
[11:30] <sergiu> yes
[11:30] <sergiu> sorry
[11:30] <sergiu> :)
[11:31] <sergiu> i want to enter to 172.16.1.166
[11:31] <sergiu> give me please an syntax..
[11:31] <sergiu> ;)
[11:32] <sergiu> lol
[11:32] <sergiu> is so hard to enter to an ip adress with xubuntu...
[11:32] <sergiu> rofl
[11:32] <Jester45> hows that?
[11:32] <sergiu> in ubuntu is more easy...
[11:33] <sergiu> jester45 do you have experience with samba?
[11:35] <Stu_2> Anyone know where the printers gui in xubuntu looks to populate the list of available drivers?
[11:36] <Stu_2> i.e. if one was to add a new driver that wasn't included... how would the gui know it's available?
[11:59] <LordGamer> anyone know SQL here?
[11:59] <frojnd> :)
[12:00] <LordGamer> that a yes frojnd?
[12:00] <frojnd> we don't know even xubuntu :D
[12:00] <LordGamer> lol
[12:01] <frojnd> LordGamer... U knew at SQL ?
[12:01] <frojnd> brand new user?
[12:01] <LordGamer> no
[12:01] <frojnd> than u know more than I do..
[12:01] <LordGamer> ok ;)
[12:08] <magic_ninja> whats ubuntu printer drivers
[12:12] <Sharn> YES. Finally got accelerated graphics!
[12:16] <redwyrm> Sharn, best of luck
[12:17] <frojnd> !docs
[12:17] <ubotu> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[12:17] <Sharn> Rofl.. I'm glad to be this far. I've had no luck getting accelerated graphics going for almost 2 months.
[12:19] <frojnd> i need torrent client GUI!
[12:19] <Sharn> Deluge is a great torrent client
[12:20] <frojnd> !deluge
[12:20] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information
[12:20] <Sharn> There ya go. :)