[12:55] <lns> LaserJock, is there anythign special i need to do when using pessulus to apply settings? I tried disabling commandline, but it isn't working at all
[12:55] <LaserJock> lns: hmm, I'm not really sure
[12:55] <LaserJock> I haven't used pessulus, just sabayon
[12:56] <lns> oh ok
[01:00] <lns> unless i'm missing something, it doesn't look like pessulus works at all
[01:00] <lns> i set something, exit (even set as mandatory value) something like disable commandline or disable print setup, but it has no effect
[01:00] <lns> weird
[01:05] <lns> weirder - even changing in gconf-editor doesn't do anything..i must be missing something
[02:44] <petre> I installed edubuntu from the live cd
[02:44] <petre> I'm working on remastering the CD also
[02:44] <a5benwillis> hello
[02:44] <petre> I've got all the files copied over from the cd
[02:44] <petre> but i'm having some trouble with apt-get
[02:45] <petre> specifically, when I'm in the chroot environment, aptitude search * lists 2595 packages
[02:46] <a5benwillis> apt-get -s install 'package'
[02:46] <a5benwillis> ops
[02:46] <petre> but if I run the same command in my regular environment, it lists only 127
[02:46] <petre> 127 makes no sense
[02:46] <a5benwillis> wrong window
[02:49] <petre> oddly, in the normal environment, I can install kgeography, but in the chroot environment, apt says it can't find any such package
[03:16] <a5benwillis> anybody here?
[03:18] <Burgwork> a5benwillis: yep
[03:20] <a5benwillis> do you know what copile time options are required of SSH for edubuntu?
[03:20] <a5benwillis> Im reinstalling from source
[04:13] <LaserJock> a5benwillis: what do you mean?
[04:40] <petre> is /etc/apt/sources.list the only file that tells aptitude where to look for packages?
[04:41] <LaserJock> basically yeah
[04:43] <petre> that's what I figured, but I can't figure out why my chroot-into-copy-of-livecd sees less than the installed system, wrt apt
[04:44] <petre> when is feisty due out?
[04:44] <petre> both chroot and regular system has the same sources.list file
[04:44] <petre> s/s/ve/
[04:47] <LaserJock> feisty is do in April
[04:47] <LaserJock> *due
[04:47] <LaserJock> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[04:48] <petre> do you know where I can find the list of packages/versions scheduled to be in feisty?
[07:02] <cbx33> hmm
[07:03] <cbx33> ping burgwork
[07:11] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[12:35] <TeePOG> good afternoon
[02:53] <rockprincess> hello all!
[02:57] <Petaris> What is the desktop install iso called?
[02:58] <ogra> up to edgy its called live ... since feisty its called desktop
[02:58] <Petaris> ahh
[02:58] <Petaris> ok
[02:58] <Petaris> so you boot the live cd and install from there like with xubuntu?
[03:01] <ogra> for a workstation install, yes
[03:03] <Petaris> right, workstation is close enough functionally to ltsp to test the OpenLDAP stuff right?
[03:07] <ogra> well ... workstation is a workstation, no ltsp involved ... to get ltsp going with ldap you need to tweak the ssh pam settings ... for a workstation you use the gdm pam settings
[03:09] <Petaris> ahh, so I really do need the LTSP version installed to test
[03:09] <Petaris> bugger
[03:09] <Petaris> ok
[03:09] <Petaris> I need to find a machine
[03:14] <ogra> Petaris, just install openssh-server and ssh to localhost ;)
[03:14] <ogra> keep the setting for your ltsp then ;)
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:04] <a5benwillis> hi
[05:17] <admin1> On edgy, I accidently deleted a user account, afterward, I recreated the account, but I am unable to change the password using the users and groups applet..
[06:06] <LaserJock> ogra: around?
[06:15] <pscheie> can I remove the french language packs without breaking anything?
[06:15] <pscheie> I don't speak french so they're of no use to me
[06:15] <LaserJock> pscheie: as long as you don't need them ;-)
[06:15] <pscheie> I mean language-pack-fr language-pack-gnome-fg and language-pack-kde-fr
[06:16] <LaserJock> I don't think it should be a problem
[06:16] <LaserJock> it might take out some other packages that depend on those
[06:16] <pscheie> I just want to avoid having any errors pop up when starting up an app
[06:16] <pscheie> errors like 'can't find french support' which I don't care about any way
[06:17] <pscheie> guess I'll try it and see what happens
[06:36] <nixternal> !seen RichEd
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen riched - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <nixternal> @seen RichEd
[06:36] <nixternal> damn you bots
[06:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: he's just not here
[06:45] <Dante123> hi...i'm a teacher and I am looking for software that reads text.....I have the screen reader stuff but that reads the windows and dialogues etc.....I need something to read highlighted text...any suggestions?
[06:46] <Dante123> I have festival on here.....I am running ubuntu 6.10 too
[06:46] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:48] <Dante123> I have LSR for gnome on this machine too
[06:50] <LaserJock> I don't know of one right off
[06:51] <nixternal> LaserJock: no really? :p
[06:52] <LaserJock> Dante123: I would imagine the Ubuntu accesibility guys would know
[06:59] <Dante123> thanks laser....I can try there...
[07:00] <Dante123> I figured that i had everything installed that I needed....and I do get the voice thing working......I just thought there was a way of highlighting text and having it read....but that doesn't seem to be what LSR does.....just the window/os stuff
[07:01] <LaserJock> Dante123: there should be an app for that, I just don't know what
[07:44] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I read about a new laser today and wanted to post the link to you, but now I just can't find it
[07:55] <cliebow_> any good way to unpack an rpm?
[07:56] <a5benwillis> right click andclick extract here?
[07:57] <highvoltage> cliebow_: you can use mc
[07:57] <cliebow_> ah
[07:57] <highvoltage> or even cpio
[07:57] <cliebow_> yeah was just looking at cpio and rpm2cpio
[07:58] <highvoltage> but if the right-click-extract works, that's probably the easiest :)
[07:58] <highvoltage> but I usually use mc (old habits die hard)
[07:59] <cliebow_> no..wont unpack it in edgy anyway..
[08:01] <cbx33> ping Burgwork
[08:01] <Burgwork> cbx33: pong
[08:01] <cbx33> i didn't see you this mornin
[08:01] <cbx33> did you speak to deb?
[08:02] <Burgwork> I emailed her
[08:02] <Burgwork> I fell asleep on the keyboard reviewing last night
[08:02] <cbx33> oh dear
[08:02] <cbx33> was it that bad?
[08:02] <cbx33> ;)
[08:02] <highvoltage> won't be the first time that happens :)
[08:02] <Burgwork> no, I am just really tired due to this office move
[08:03] <cbx33> so what should I do, I sent her all the images yesterday
[08:03] <cbx33> but I havn't heard back from her or kim
[08:03] <Burgwork> I will review it tonight
[08:03] <cbx33> sorry Burgwork
[08:03] <cbx33> will you send it off to her?
[08:03] <Burgwork> nothing for you to apologize aobut
[08:03] <Burgwork> yep
[08:03] <cbx33> well giving you extra work :p
[08:03] <Burgwork> did you cc me on the images?
[08:03] <cbx33> no
[08:03] <cbx33> but I can do
[08:03] <cbx33> 1.3Mb Zip
[08:03] <highvoltage> Burgwork: now is a real good time to come work in .za, with the entire government switching to open source and all
[08:03] <cbx33> *bah* /me had to fight the temptation to tar them up
[08:04] <Burgwork> highvoltage: indeed. I am still planning it
[08:04] <highvoltage> Burgwork: kewl
[08:04] <Burgwork> right now I am just heads down with the office move
[08:04] <Burgwork> we are rewiring 1700 sq ft of office space
[08:04] <highvoltage> ouch
[08:04] <highvoltage> no wonder you're tired
[08:04] <Burgwork> there is already conduit on the walls, so it is pretty good
[08:04] <Burgwork> then we need to install all the new furniture, etc.
[08:05] <Burgwork> highvoltage: have you played with ltsp fat clients?
[08:05] <highvoltage> I have indeed
[08:05] <highvoltage> we've implemented it in the digital doorways
[08:05] <cbx33> Burgwork, sent to you
[08:06] <cbx33> Burgwork, are you thinking of adding that to the chapter?
[08:06] <Burgwork> no, just wondering for my own sake
[08:06] <cbx33> oh hehe
[08:06] <cbx33> phew
[08:06] <cbx33> so how is the chap looking so far?
[08:06] <Burgwork> if you are nfs mouting /, how do you deal with things like static IPs?
[08:06] <Burgwork> I have no idea. I don't remember anything I did last night :)
[08:06] <cbx33> heh :) - oh man :p
[08:07] <highvoltage> Burgwork: which static IP's?
[08:07] <Burgwork> highvoltage: if you set a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces and you are nfs mounting /, you will get the same IP for each thin client
[08:07] <highvoltage> Burgwork: you specify the IP range in dhcpd.conf, and you can specify certain ip addresses to certain mac addresses
[08:07] <Burgwork> true, I forgot about that
[08:07] <highvoltage> Burgwork: ah. no, all of them use dhcp
[08:08] <Burgwork> no, I was thinking of my own office, wherein I want static IPs on the computers to facilitate ssh
[08:08] <Burgwork> currently I run pure fat clients, with desktop multiplier on them
[08:08] <Burgwork> thinking of switching to ltsp fat clients with d-m installed int eh chroot
[08:08] <highvoltage> yeah, then you could just specify the addresses to the clients in dhcpd.conf
[08:08] <Burgwork> ok
[08:09] <Burgwork> I have never installed LTSP or Edubuntu, so these are things I have never encountered
[08:09] <highvoltage> ok
[08:10] <Burgwork> I am tired of manually configuring machines
[08:10] <cbx33> heh
[08:11] <highvoltage> manually configuring and supporting machines--
[08:11] <Burgwork> that isn't bad
[08:13] <Burgwork> but I only have 3 machines with 6 users
[08:13] <Burgwork> desktop-multiplier + ltsp sounds like a great combo
[08:13] <Burgwork> now I only need to convince my boss to open source it...
[08:13] <highvoltage> that sounds like a tough job!
[08:14] <Burgwork> very much so
[08:14] <cbx33> what is desktop-multplier
[08:15] <Burgwork> multiseat X
[08:15] <cbx33> ooooooooh
[08:15] <cbx33> i was looking for that the other day i believe
[08:15] <Burgwork> http://userful.com/products/multi-station-how-it-works
[08:17] <cbx33> free too
[08:17] <Burgwork> looking forward to working with a better product, highvoltage :)
[08:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: ubuntu has a less glamerous multi-seat solution too
[08:17] <highvoltage> Burgwork: I'
[08:17] <highvoltage> oops
[08:17] <Burgwork> there is also stuff in X, cbx33
[08:17] <highvoltage> Burgwork: I have some updates for you, but I'll pm you a bit later!
[08:17] <cbx33> nice
[08:18] <cbx33> Burgwork, so how fast a machine do you need realistically?
[08:18] <Burgwork> http://linuxgazette.net/124/smith.html
[08:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: apt-cache show multiseat
[08:18] <Burgwork> be nice to kick that work up again
[08:18] <Burgwork> cbx33: depends on what you want to do
[08:18] <cbx33> ok
[08:18] <Burgwork> 256mb per user, usually
[08:18] <cbx33> i gotta go do some paid work now
[08:18] <cbx33> I'll bbl
[08:18] <Burgwork> however, we don't ship computers with less than 1gig
[08:18] <Burgwork> highvoltage: have you played with the multiseat package?
[08:19] <highvoltage> Burgwork: only once
[08:19] <highvoltage> Burgwork: when it was released
[08:19] <Burgwork> and?
[08:19] <highvoltage> Burgwork: and it didn't work :)
[08:19] <Burgwork> oh
[08:19] <Burgwork> multiseat frequently does
[08:19] <Burgwork> not work, that is
[08:19] <highvoltage> Burgwork: but I believe it has been fixed in the meantime, I haven't tried it since, though
[08:33] <cliebow_> Burgwork: that is in feisty? mu;ltiseat?
[08:33] <Burgwork> cliebow_: multiseat and desktop-multiplier are both in feisty
[08:33] <Burgwork> ms has been around since warty, dm since dapper
[08:33] <Burgwork> ms is Free, dm is merely free
[08:45] <LaserJock> highvoltage: nifty laser? sounds fun
[08:45] <LaserJock> where is OGRA?!? :-)
[08:45] <cliebow_> Italy
[08:46] <LaserJock> well, I just want him in here now,  I don't care where he is physically ;-)
[08:46] <cliebow_> 8~)
[08:47] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to have to move to Europe just so I can be at a better Ubuntu time zone
[08:47] <cliebow_> never can get an ogre when you need one.....
[08:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it's the weekend! ogra needs some rest
[08:47] <LaserJock> either that or I'm going to have to convince Mark to move Canonical to Vegas ;-)
[08:47] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it is? oh that's right :/
[08:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm sure there's many canonical staffers that won't object :)
[08:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I normally notice it's weekend when people quiet down and I can get back to work
[09:09] <cbx33> is ogra back from italy now?
[09:11] <cbx33> Burgwork, one more question
[09:11] <cbx33> basically there isn't anything for me to do today on book is there?
[10:51] <pscheie> on the edubuntu live cd, what creates the 'installer' icon on the desktop?
[10:51] <pscheie> put another way, how do I get rid of it?
[11:52] <SnrWhippy> anyone installed vmware workstation 6 on edgy?
[11:58] <SnrWhippy> heloooo!!
[11:59] <LaserJock> I haven't, sorry
[12:01] <SnrWhippy> no worries its quiet in here today
[12:03] <SnrWhippy> theres an rpm and a tar.gz what should i use
[12:03] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:04] <LaserJock> I'd go with tar.gz personally
[12:04] <LaserJock> but if that didn't work so swell I might use alien on the rpm
[12:04] <SnrWhippy> yeah ok i started alien but i chickened
[12:04] <SnrWhippy> is it easy to clean up if it all goes bad
[12:05] <cbx33> do it from tar
[12:05] <SnrWhippy> yeah ok will try that
[12:06] <SnrWhippy> i'll let you know how badly it fails
[12:08] <SnrWhippy> anyone use checkinstall instead of make
[12:09] <LaserJock> SnrWhippy: I have
[12:10] <LaserJock> SnrWhippy: it works ok for simple packages for personal use
[12:10] <SnrWhippy> oh ok
[12:10] <SnrWhippy> vmware maybe not then
[12:15] <cbx33> SnrWhippy, vmware is pee easy to install via the tar
[12:16] <SnrWhippy> really?
[12:16] <cbx33> yes
[12:16] <cbx33> its' a wizard
[12:17] <SnrWhippy> eh? workstation 6?
[12:17] <cbx33> untar and run
[12:17] <cbx33> vmware-install.pl
[12:17] <cbx33> as root
[12:17] <cbx33> easy peasy :p
[12:17] <cbx33> much nicer than any other source install
[12:18] <SnrWhippy> :)