[01:00] <yuriy> lol two kde bugs: "kate needs smarter indentation..." and "kate indentation is too smart"
[01:03] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you got mail!
[01:03] <nixternal> yuriy: is that real?
[01:08] <yuriy> nixternal: yep. well, the first one continues to something specific after the ...
[01:09] <jjesse> nixternal: hi
[01:09] <jjesse> d'oh dinner
[01:09] <nixternal> hola
[01:09] <nixternal> haha, that was kwik
[01:09] <nixternal> that is way to funny yuriy
[01:10] <nixternal> although, there are times when I forget to turn off indentation for XML/DocBook for KDE docs and I start typing and it indents
[01:10] <nixternal> other than that, don't tell manchicken, but Kate > Emacs
[01:11] <yuriy> heh, agreed :D
[01:11] <yuriy> also kde bugs amuse me when people start putting k's in things
[01:11] <yuriy> like i just saw "inkonsistent"
[02:25] <ryanakca> hmm... anybody feel like helping me get around this qparted partitioning problem? (I'm trying to install today's daily build, but the partitioner is broken on my CD)... Any way I can use fdisk instead?
[02:51] <manchicken> Okay, so who wants to help me out with this?
[02:54] <nixternal> anyone ever had the spacebar lock out at all with kubuntu, or linux for that matter?
[02:55] <manchicken> Not unless there was something wrong with the keyboard.
[02:56] <nixternal> no, he has tried other keyboard
[02:56] <nixternal> s
[02:57] <nixternal> he said he was looking at system properties (KInfoCenter I am guessing)
[02:57] <nixternal> and it stopped working after that
[03:04] <manchicken> Iteresting.
[03:04] <manchicken> interesting even
[03:05] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm... space doesn't work at all? try switching keyboard maps and back?
[03:05] <manchicken> So who wants to help me debug this segv?
[03:06] <manchicken> I'm too close, and it's not going anywhere.
[03:12] <yuriy> ryanacka: what's wrong with the partitioner?
[03:17] <manchicken> Anybody want to help me diagnose this segfault in adept_updater?  The bzr branch is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emanchicken/adept/updater-changelog-viewer/
[03:17] <ryanakca> yuriy: bug 48055
[03:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48055 in qtparted "Problem with QtParted" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48055
[03:19] <yuriy> ryanacka: you could use cfdisk or gparted or some other partitioner..
[03:21] <ryanakca> yuriy: or fdisk... but... I can't install... I can't skip the partitioning step in ubiquity...
[03:22] <yuriy> it blocks the next button?
[03:22] <ryanakca> Ubiquity freezes as soon as it gets to that step
[03:23] <yuriy> oh
[03:23] <yuriy> i guess, that annoyed me too -- there should be a "Leave disk as is" option
[03:23] <yuriy> i almost never actually want to partition anything
[03:28] <ryanakca> yuriy: where can I upload this screenshot? ubuntu-nl's pastebin used to take them... or shall I email it to you?
[03:29] <yuriy> ryanacka: of what?
[03:29] <ryanakca> ubiquity not displaying parted
[03:30] <yuriy> ryanacka: i doubt i can really be helpful
[03:30] <ryanakca> kk
[03:31] <manchicken> yuriy: So are you going to fix all my problems? :P
[03:33] <yuriy> lol
[03:33] <manchicken> Well?  Get on it ;)
[03:33] <ryanakca> sure, why not :P
[03:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Kool
[03:38] <nixternal> kool?
[03:38] <nixternal> ryanakca: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:38] <nixternal> hehe
[03:38] <nixternal> that fixed his issue
[03:38] <nixternal> now to get his video working :)
[03:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol, now to get my ubiquity working ;)
[03:39] <nixternal> ryanakca: he rebooted after we got the spacebar working, and now the spacebar doesn't work
[03:40] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I got mail
[03:40] <nixternal> wth, something is controlling his xorg.conf
[03:40] <nixternal> DaSkreech: ahhh, get to hackin' :)
[03:40] <ryanakca> hmm..
[03:40] <ryanakca> liveCD?
[03:40] <nixternal> no, this is installed on his machine
[03:40] <ryanakca> hmm...
[03:40] <ryanakca> odd
[03:40] <nixternal> very
[03:41] <ryanakca> some wierdo script he installed?
[03:42] <nixternal> nope
[03:42] <nixternal> I shouldn't say nope
[03:42] <nixternal> but he says nope :)
[03:42] <ryanakca> lol
[03:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal: unfortunately I have some other work to feal with
[03:43] <ryanakca> write a shell script that'll revert to the good version of xorg.conf every boot... and then every half hour...
[03:43] <ryanakca> (cron... and /etc/rc.local)
[03:43] <nixternal> no problemo
[03:43] <nixternal> heh
[03:43] <ryanakca> WEEEE!
[03:48] <yuriy> i wanted to patch the little gui issues i noticed in ubiquity
[03:48] <yuriy> but when i open up the .ui files they're emtpy
[03:49] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Oh I also wanted the changes you had made to the repos section
[03:49] <ryanakca> odd
[03:50] <yuriy> i think i figured it ou
[03:50] <yuriy> *out
[03:50] <yuriy> it's qt4, i was opening with qt3 designer
[03:50] <yuriy> ok bug: no menu shortcut to qt4 designer
[03:51] <yuriy> also what's with qt4 desinger being gimp-style
[03:51] <yuriy> this is really confusing
[03:51] <ryanakca> lol
[03:55] <yuriy> i fail to understand what's easier about this compared to coding the GUI
[03:55] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I made those in the system documentation that is going to get installed. Oh wait, I did make other changes
[03:55] <nixternal> let me forward those to you as well
[03:55] <yuriy> of course, i just don't know how to use the program
[03:56] <nixternal> DaSkreech: you got mail! :)
[03:59] <nixternal> lol
[04:09] <yuriy> were the ubiquity pages recently swapped around?
[04:11] <yuriy> ryanacka: looks like qtparted is no longer used. the new partitioner crashes though.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> yuriy: qtparted died?
[04:15] <yuriy> DaScreech: there's a new partitioner
[04:15] <yuriy> looks rather simplistic though
[04:16] <DaSkreech> yuriy: What is it kalled?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Kpart?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> hee hee hee
[04:21] <yuriy> DaScreech: i don't think it has a name.. some of the source files are called "parted" and "partition_edit_dialog"
[04:21] <yuriy> it's built into ubiquity
[04:26] <DaSkreech> !find ultrastar
[04:27] <ubotu> Package/file ultrastar does not exist in edgy
[04:27] <DaSkreech> !find ultrastar-ng
[04:28] <ubotu> Package/file ultrastar-ng does not exist in edgy
[04:28] <yuriy> ok i can't figure out how to fix this
[04:28] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Ok
[04:28] <yuriy> heh you don't know what i'm talking about..
[04:31] <DaSkreech> yuriy: the ubiquity partitioner is !based on qtparted
[04:31] <DaSkreech> yuriy: I thought it was based on Gparted before actually
[04:32] <yuriy> i think it's all new
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Right. I just wanted to know if qtparted was being discontinued
[04:32] <yuriy> i was just trying to get all the text boxes on the who are you page to line up
[05:32] <jjesse> @time denver
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Denver: February 22 2007, 21:32:35
[05:35] <DaSkreech> !find lincity
[05:35] <ubotu> Found: lincity, lincity-ng, lincity-ng-data
[05:36] <DaSkreech> !lincity-ng
[05:36] <ubotu> lincity-ng: City simulator game with polished graphics. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 322 kB, installed size 844 kB
[05:36] <DaSkreech> !lincity-ng-data
[05:36] <ubotu> lincity-ng-data: Media files for the city simulator game LinCity-NG. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 25701 kB, installed size 33628 kB
[05:53] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ping
[05:54] <yuriy> DaSkreech: omg it's simcity! awesome!
[05:54] <jjesse> :)
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Yarly! It's like Simcity 0.8 :)
[05:54] <DaSkreech> I almost loved that game
[05:54] <jjesse> its way behind, i tried it the other day
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Wish I could figure out what the love is with -ng names and what it means
[05:55] <yuriy> umm yeah i actually quit about 10 seconds after starting it...
[05:55] <nixternal> pongloersdfj84304848dsjlfja;a;u4u40843084038204832nfdljaf;da
[05:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Submit code :)
[05:55] <yuriy> looks around the level of the original simcity
[05:55] <jjesse> DaSkreech: you don't want me to try :)
[05:55] <jjesse> nixternal: what the heck was that?
[05:55] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ipv6 pong?
[05:55] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[05:55] <jjesse> hiya
[05:55] <yuriy> ng = next generation?
[05:55] <yuriy> that's what i always figured
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Ah. Possibly
[05:55] <nixternal> jjesse: that was a messed up pong, so I just rode with keymashing
[05:56] <jjesse> i would've gone w/ ipv6 pong :)
[05:56] <nixternal> I am reading ignorant windows fanboy posts on ZDNet.
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Great
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Stop doing that and tell me what you changed
[05:56] <nixternal> I am on a anti-ms rampage tonight, even though I am installing it on an old system here for "documentation" purposes only
[05:56] <nixternal> and school stuff
[05:57] <nixternal> DaSkreech: what I changed?
[05:57] <nixternal> my socks?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> nixternal: to chap7
[05:57] <nixternal> umm
[05:57] <nixternal> Katapult
[05:57] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:57] <nixternal> umm
[05:57] <nixternal> Kicker layout
[05:57] <jjesse> is that a different one then what you sent me this morning nixternal?
[05:57] <nixternal> ummm
[05:57] <nixternal> jjesse: the same
[05:57] <jjesse> oh ok
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:57] <nixternal> I did change katapult correct?
[05:57] <nixternal> please tell me I saved
[05:57] <nixternal> lol
[05:58] <jjesse> no clue, i have one from you, one that Deb had reviewed by somoene else and then i'm waiting on the one from DaSkreech
[05:58] <jjesse> i need to setup a bazaar branch or some kind of revision control for the next update
[05:58] <jjesse> cause this is killing me
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Something about amarok?
[05:58] <nixternal> jjesse: that would be the smart thing to do :)
[05:59] <DaSkreech> jjesse: That would be wise
[05:59] <nixternal> but you can't revision control .doc and .odt I thought
[05:59] <jjesse> i don't think so eitehr
[05:59] <jjesse> shrug
[05:59] <DaSkreech> would also stop you from introducing new novel errors in sections you had written already
[05:59] <jjesse> agrred
[05:59] <DaSkreech>  Plus I could then check out the book :) in the non library fashion :)
[05:59] <nixternal> lol
[05:59] <jjesse> :)
[05:59] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You should be able to revision .odt. It's just a zip file
[06:00] <nixternal> I want my very own JJ signed copy
[06:00] <jjesse> nixternal: i already told you i would send you one when i get the next update
[06:00] <DaSkreech> nixternal: something about amarok?
[06:00] <nixternal> hehe
[06:00] <nixternal> DaSkreech: dunno
[06:00] <DaSkreech> That's what you added?
[06:00] <nixternal> wow, I just did this yesterday and i can't remember
[06:00] <nixternal> oh ya
[06:00] <nixternal> ya
[06:00] <nixternal> with the Kicker?
[06:00] <nixternal> lol
[06:00] <DaSkreech> nope katapult.
[06:01] <nixternal> oh ya
[06:01] <nixternal> OK that was me :)
[06:01] <DaSkreech> I still don't like this line "A great feature is that Katapult will also work on files that are stored in  your home directory as well as read your Amarok catalog making it easy to start playing your song of choice."
[06:01] <nixternal> and soon URLs as long as Mez don't make me hack the Google module for it
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Can we change work on files to find files ?
[06:01] <nixternal> fix it
[06:01] <nixternal> yes
[06:01] <DaSkreech> work on files is very vague
[06:01] <jjesse> sure i can
[06:01] <jjesse> i have a note already to fix that
[06:02] <DaSkreech> jjesse: give me the line you are writing and I'll fix it here as well
[06:02] <nixternal> #kubuntu-book :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:02] <nixternal> I see it in the future. I am telling you
[06:02] <jjesse> DaSkreech: not working on it right now
[06:02] <nixternal> we can make it 1,000 pages
[06:02] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Right thorw that at jjesse while I try to read
[06:02] <jjesse> working on my next work certification
[06:02] <nixternal> Time Life size
[06:02] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I picked that up from the note to fix comment
[06:03] <nixternal> DaSkreech: if you can edit the damn Kubuntu chapter, then I know a freakin' repo with your name all over it!!! :)
[06:03] <nixternal> jjesse: isn't it past your bedtime? :p
[06:03] <jjesse> nixternal: yeah it is
[06:04] <nixternal> lol
[06:04] <jjesse> test tomrrow at 8am
[06:04] <nixternal> it is getting close here as well, but I have a lot to do yet
[06:04] <jjesse> first time i've looked at the material
[06:04] <nixternal> I would love to get the printing.xml done tonight
[06:04] <nixternal> ouch
[06:04] <nixternal> what test?
[06:04] <jjesse> altiris helpdesk certification
[06:04] <jjesse> for work
[06:04] <nixternal> ahh
[06:05] <nixternal> is it possible to take a break during Feisty+1?
[06:05] <jjesse> and do no work?
[06:05] <jjesse> sure if you want
[06:05] <nixternal> yup
[06:05] <DaSkreech> What's the Roman for 50 again?
[06:05] <nixternal> you know I couldn't stay away, I am addicted to this place
[06:05] <nixternal> XXXXX
[06:05] <jjesse> l
[06:05] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:05] <jjesse> L
[06:05] <DaSkreech> M?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> L
[06:05] <jjesse> M = 1,000
[06:06] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:06] <jjesse> hmm ok its bed time fols
[06:06] <jjesse> see you all tomorrow
[06:06] <nixternal> g'nite jjesse
[06:06] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Good night
[06:07] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You sent jjesse your wireless stuff already?
[06:07] <nixternal> yup
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Ok cause I have no idea where to stick it
[06:09] <DaSkreech>  I'll proofread it after the chapter
[06:09] <nixternal> well, hopefully somewhere where it won't hurt :)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Bring It on! I can take it!
[06:12] <nixternal> lol
[06:12] <nixternal> the bcm43xx-fwcutter might be a little hard to stomach
[06:12] <nixternal> why there is so much info for a utility that only works with 3 chipsets
[06:14] <DaSkreech> How many chipsets are tehre?
[06:14] <nixternal> a ton, but the bcm43xx-fwcutter util is for Broadcom chipsets and actually interface with the kernel now
[06:14] <nixternal> but the bcm43xx-fwcutter utility only supports like 3 chipsets
[06:15] <nixternal> it will work with others, but it isn't guaranteed to be stable
[06:15] <nixternal> should be, it either works natively or with NdisWrapper and that's it
[06:17] <DaSkreech> ndiswrapper allows windows drivers to work on linux?
[06:22] <nixternal> yup
[06:23] <DaSkreech> ah sounds like a bad idea :)
[06:23] <DaSkreech>  how many chipsets work with open source drivers?
[06:23] <nixternal> just a few
[06:24] <DaSkreech> are the projects making headway?
[06:24] <nixternal> orinoco. atheros, prismII, there is also madwifi but I don't hear much about it anymore
[06:24] <nixternal> NdisWrapper works quite well actually
[06:24] <nixternal> I am using it right now as we speak
[06:31] <yuriy> the fix to bug 58639 screwed something up
[06:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58639 in kdebase "edgy: Cannot open theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58639
[06:31] <yuriy> i'm not getting a theme anymore, and k-d-s won't overwrite kdmrc because it says it's customized
[06:40] <DaSkreech> !info frozen-bubble feisty
[06:40] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: Pop out the bubbles !. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.1.0-1 (feisty), package size 150 kB, installed size 712 kB
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[06:43] <Hobbsee> heya DaSkreech
[06:44] <yuriy> hi Hobbsee
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy
[06:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: nearly done
[06:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: just need to s/c/k/g ;-)
[06:46] <nixternal> nearly...that is a good sign
[06:46] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:53] <DaSkreech> Who uses Koffice?
[06:54] <yuriy> i've tried
[06:54] <DaSkreech> yuriy: I'm a trying
[06:54] <yuriy> i've impressed one of my classmates with it
[06:55] <yuriy> kivio was nice for doing databases hw
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah the Word processor is still a ways from enterprise ready though
[06:57] <yuriy> no kde4 programs will run :(
[07:02] <DaSkreech> I guess jjesse is a irssi man?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Nope. That's strange
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Speedcrunch is being removed?
[07:30] <nixternal> speedcrunch gone? not for KCalc is it?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> I think that's what was decided
[07:34] <nixternal> dude, anyone says that microsoft is better than Kubuntu to my face, the fight is on
[07:34] <nixternal> I have to use AutoCAD for a project right
[07:34] <nixternal> so I get WinXP SP2 from school for free
[07:34] <nixternal> I install it, and now the system that I have ran Kubuntu on for nearly 2 years, locks up, freezes, and BSODS
[07:34] <nixternal> FRESH INSTALL WITH UPDATES
[07:35] <nixternal> so, I reinstall, and before I can even update, boom, death
[07:35] <nixternal> my computer was actually pissed off at me for even installing that crap
[07:35] <nixternal> damn, I need to order her some roses I guess
[07:37] <ajmitch> her?
[07:37] <ajmitch> nixternal: please, step away from your computer
[07:38] <nixternal> lol
[07:38] <nixternal> man, I seriously think XP killed my box
[07:38] <nixternal> she is angry at me, big time
[07:38] <nixternal> Riddell: KDE 4 3rd snappy for Feisty anytime soon?
[07:39] <nixternal> stupid ubotu I wasn't talking boogs
[07:44] <nixternal> heh
[07:48] <DaSkreech> want a kopy of the text?
[07:49] <nixternal> sure thing
[07:49] <nixternal> then I am going to head off to never-never land
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows if speedcrunch has been offically dropped?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: You were in on the discussion I think
[07:55] <nixternal> DaSkreech: well it is installed here locally, but I did a dist-upgrade from edgy, so that could be why
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Yeah. It was a few days ago I don't tink it would be in any of the Cds etc
[07:55] <DaSkreech> think
[07:55] <nixternal> and I don't see KCalc installed anywhere either
[07:56] <nixternal> ahh
[07:56] <DaSkreech> He does mention it in the book though
[07:56] <DaSkreech> So I want to know if I should flag it to be dropped from the book
[07:58] <DaSkreech> nixternal: You got mail
[08:01] <nixternal> DaSkreech: removing speedcrunch from the WinFOSS portion of the CD, not from Kubuntu
[08:01] <DaSkreech> nixternal: ok good
[08:03] <nixternal> alrighty, I am going to bed now
[08:03] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:33] <_StefanS_> mornings
[09:33] <_StefanS_> did the anyone else have their kdm theme defaulted due to kde*ubuntu10 updates ?
[09:33] <_StefanS_> mine has a debian theme now :)
[09:41] <fdoving> was kdebase updated?
[09:41] <fdoving> in that case, kubuntu-default-settings must be bumped, to fix those configs.
[09:42] <fdoving> _StefanS_: you can probably just re-install kubuntu-default-settings.
[09:42] <fdoving> bbl.
[09:42] <_StefanS_> oka
[09:46] <yuriy> fdoving, _StefanS: same thing here
[09:46] <yuriy> i tried reinstalling k-d-s but it won't overwrite kdmrc, says it's modified
[09:52] <fdoving> hum..
[09:55] <fdoving> so.. the k-d-s postinst scripts fail?
[09:57] <yuriy> fdoving: "kdm theme customized or already enabled, not touching kdmrc"
[09:58] <fdoving> ok. i'll have to upgrade and figure this out.
[09:59] <fdoving> looks like the postinst script doesn't handle this very well.
[10:00] <fdoving> it doesn't specifically set the kubuntu theme, only enables theming.
[10:02] <fdoving> .. if the theme is already set to the kubuntu theme.
[10:24] <Tonio_> hi
[10:45] <fdoving> Tonio___: k-d-s postinst script needs love. it doesn't hanlde the situations where the kubuntu theme is not pre-selected.
[10:45] <fdoving> Tonio___: it only knows how to enable theming.
[10:46] <fdoving> if the kubuntu theme is pre-selected and theming is disabled or something like that.
[10:46] <Tonio___> fdoving: I've just done it
[10:46] <fdoving> nice :)
[10:47] <Tonio___> fdoving: I've removed the patches from kdebase, now it is build I'm fixing kds to configure both wallpaper and theme
[10:47] <fdoving> great :)
[10:47] <fdoving> some people have experienced debian settings in kdm since k-d-s is not updated yet.. :)
[11:00] <Tonio___> fdoving: that's feisty :)
[11:01] <Tonio___> fdoving: just uploaded, should be okay in an hour
[11:02] <fdoving> nice, thanks :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the old and annoying issue with gtk-qt-engines is reported to be fixed upstream....
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm fixing it
[12:57] <Tonio_> dead day...
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've found how to change the virtual desktops number...
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: will probably switch to 2 since that's what ubuntu does
[01:23] <Tonio_> and what we previously wanted to do
[01:23] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_!
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i have a bug.  would you like to fix it?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it's my debug day :) I already fixed lots of them this morning :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> including the super-old gtkqt-engines one
[01:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which number ?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> the gtk-qt-engines breaking apps in gnome one?  nice!!!
[01:25] <Tonio_> yup :)
[01:25] <Tonio_> just uploaded gtk-qt-engines, kdebase and kds to fix this
[01:25] <Hobbsee> bug 50971
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50971 in kdebase "kdesu will not start apps" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50971
[01:26] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> see the dupe as well
[01:26] <Tonio_> okay will look at that
[01:26] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: where was the virtual desktop number changing, btw?
[01:28] <Tonio_> kwinrc
[01:28] <Hobbsee> yay, new snapshot :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> ahh
[01:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but written on logout only so I couldn't find the fix hehe :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> oh *nice*
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i could have sworn that we checked that...
[01:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: concerning kdesu, the problem is that it fails to launch any app at the very first time
[01:29] <Tonio_> I think riddell has no issue against this problem
[01:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it will fail the first time you start adept
[01:31] <Tonio_> with kdesu
[01:31] <Tonio_> I don't know why exactly
[01:32] <Hobbsee> did the stuff in the bug report look right?
[01:33] <Tonio_> I'd say yes, that describes the problem
[01:33] <Tonio_> but I don't think that's currently fixable
[01:33] <Tonio_> note that's not "high" issue
[01:33] <Tonio_> it works if you just launch it a second time :)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't even know if that's a sudo or kdesu issue
[01:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: duplicates talks about sudo instead
[01:34] <Hobbsee> well, for people to not know what's happening - and sometimes works the second time
[01:34] <Hobbsee> right
[01:34] <Tonio_> kdesu is just a binding to sudo, so I'd say it's possible the issue is with sudo and not kdesu
[01:35] <Tonio_> something with xauthority eventually
[01:35] <Hobbsee> right
[01:35] <Hobbsee> if you wanted to shove it, importance it, comment on it, that'd be great
[01:37] <Hobbsee> oh, didnt finish reading it
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have you been seeing the bugs about the krandrtray, and kcontrol, maybe system settings too being empty?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if it's on fresh dist-upgrade or what
[01:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I would need to investigate more to comment on that, not to say bullshits :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: to which, sorry?
[01:39] <Tonio_> which one ?
[01:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kcontrol empty is very old issue, should be fixed
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what about krandrtray ? kdebase ftbfs due to it right ? I fixed that yesterday
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what are the bug ids please ?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, slowly working thru bugmail.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/46877
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46877 in kdebase "configure dialog of krandrtray is empty" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[01:40] <GNUro> 'lo!
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hey GNUro!
[01:41] <GNUro> Hobbsee: :)
[01:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, same probleme here....
[01:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I think that's because we don't install the kcontrol kcm for this
[01:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we should patch krandrtray to load guidance kcm
[01:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can fix this I think
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, yep
[01:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lemme have a look :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> okay :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kcmshell display is empty
[01:43] <Tonio_> that's the issue
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:43] <Tonio_> which one should we load instead ?
[01:43] <Tonio_> I don't remember guidance kcm name
[01:44] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[01:44] <Tonio_> displayconfig
[01:44] <Tonio_> great I'll patch this
[01:44] <Hobbsee> ah.  that's it
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70429 in kdebase "config uses 'kview' which is not installed by default." [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:46] <Tonio_> yes, those 2 should be fixed
[01:46] <Hobbsee> probably takes longer to diff, etc, than it does to fix the thing
[01:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm currently patching
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[01:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't know what's the best...
[01:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kcmshell randr
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: wrt?
[01:50] <Tonio_> or kcmshell displayconfig
[01:51] <Tonio_> I think we should use displayconfig instead no ?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, definetly the latter.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ie, displayconfig
[01:51] <Tonio_> btw they don't conflict, and I prefer that the systray thing uses a userspace config tool
[01:51] <Tonio_> okay
[01:51] <Hobbsee> kcmshell randr shows the same info - why would you try to configure it, to get the same info back?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> true
[01:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: same infos + config to load at startup....
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry?
[01:53] <Tonio_> well we have to favor our tool and not the default in another way
[01:53] <Tonio_> forget this, let's use displayconfig :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> oh is that our tool?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: displayconfig is guidance
[01:53] <Hobbsee> right, yes
[01:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm just waiting for displayconfig to reach the repo and I'll upload and mark the bug as fixed
[01:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which was the other bug ?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> excellent :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/70429
[01:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70429 in kdebase "config uses 'kview' which is not installed by default." [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:54] <Tonio_> hum kcontrol one
[01:55] <Hobbsee> klipper, not kcontrol?
[01:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't see the kde component, which section ?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> In the default klipper configuration the actions connected with images (jpeg) is to execute kview. But on kubuntu the kview application is not installed, gwenview is.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> assuming you're looking at that bug report...
[01:57] <Tonio_> yes I'm talking aboutthe previous bug.... well forget this the component isn't installed by default :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ahhh, right
[01:58] <Tonio_> okay so what about klipper....
[01:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay I'll fix to gwenview
[01:59] <Hobbsee> should be really easy, it's loading kview instead of gwenview, we dont distribute kview
[01:59] <Hobbsee> okay
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fixed and uploaded
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/63885 might be fun
[02:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63885 in kdebase "blanks screen upon 2-hour timechange" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wow, gimme a few seconds hehe :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like there are LOTS of things to fix
[02:06] <Tonio_> :'(
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: quite likely.  that's why i'm trying to sift them for you
[02:06] <Tonio_> yeah I don't have time to perform bug triage :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> neither has Riddell I assume
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you touch the default theme stuff?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for kdm ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, wait for kds to reach the repos, that's fixed
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I changed the default kdm config from kdm package to kds
[02:07] <Hobbsee> i'm a bit behind, as i've been away :(
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yep, nice
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is there a bug report according to this ?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there is somewhere, i'll have to find it.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: check out the timechange one if you want, first though
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57798 is presumably to go upstream?
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57798 in kdelibs "segfault when creating kfile.KURLRequester object" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:09] <Tonio_> so what to change for the time ?
[02:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes that's up to upstream
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, will forward
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: dunno.  was hoping you might know offhand
[02:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't confirm 630885
[02:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't confirm 63885
[02:11] <Tonio_> when I click apply, the screen goes black and then to normal, just after one second, without touching the mouse
[02:11] <Hobbsee> bug 630885
[02:11] <Hobbsee> right, okay
[02:11] <Tonio_> maybe powersave issue ?
[02:11] <Tonio_> I don't use powersav
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:12] <Tonio_> in another way, there is no reason for the screen to become black ;)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/40672 - but it seems to be on a live cd
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40672 in kdebase "Double help topics list in the Contents pane" [Medium,Needs info] 
[02:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is kdesu working for you ?
[02:14] <Tonio_> fails here
[02:15] <Tonio_> what changed on that point ?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sometimes
[02:15] <Hobbsee> changed on what point?
[02:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: "impossible to communicate with su"
[02:15] <Tonio_> that's what I get
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:15] <fdoving> anyone with access to kubuntu.org webpage around?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> no, i've not had that since the first kde 3.5.5 update
[02:16] <Hobbsee> fdoving: Riddell does.  i think it's in bzr, actually
[02:16] <fdoving> is there a launchpad group with access to it maybe?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> no
[02:16] <fdoving> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php - the url is wrong.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> well, i doubt it
[02:16] <Hobbsee> fdoving: what's it supposed to be?
[02:17] <fdoving> 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main'
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ~jr in there?
[02:17] <fdoving> the deb lines.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh, as in ./?
[02:17] <fdoving> s/usl/deb-url/
[02:17] <fdoving> yes.
[02:17] <fdoving> ./ doesn't work.
[02:17] <fdoving> edgy main does.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> right
[02:18] <fdoving> i just checked.. it didn't work.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> right
[02:18] <fdoving> i'll doublecheck.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> it's cool :)
[02:18] <fdoving> not for those trying to test that repo :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> fdoving: btw, kubuntu team's not doing SRU's much at all...
[02:19] <Hobbsee> so suggesting SRU's is worthless :P
[02:19] <fdoving> SRU? for what?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> anything.  bug 40672 was what i noticed though
[02:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40672 in kdebase "Double help topics list in the Contents pane" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40672
[02:20] <Hobbsee> sorry, not that
[02:20] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/41720
[02:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41720 in kdebase "In dapper, kdm should depend on kubuntu-default-settings or have a different default theme" [Medium,Fix released] 
[02:20] <fdoving> that has nothing to do with an SRU.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> well, as in, we cant fix it now without a SRU
[02:21] <fdoving> yes we can.
[02:21] <fdoving> tonio just did.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> on feisty or dapper?
[02:21] <fdoving> that wasn't a problem in dapper, it is(was) in dapper.
[02:21] <fdoving> gasdfasdfasdfasdf
[02:21] <Hobbsee> welcome back, Tonio_ :)
[02:22] <fdoving> that last dapper should be fesity.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> right, gotcha
[02:22] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: forget kdesu thing, works after reboot :)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh, okay
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: still looking for more to fix?
[02:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not at the moment :) have to takea shower and I've done enough right now :) let's go to play my nintendo wii :)
[02:24] <fdoving> mr. fixit. :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> 9 uploads just for today :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, nice :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57666 would be a good one - it's little, and i'm not sure what the best solution is, but it's a nuisance
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57666 in kdebase "Odd quirk when trying to install SMB Printers" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:25] <Hobbsee> for when you next want something :)
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looking (last one !)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: *grin*
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, that was the last one, looking at my email.
[02:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll try to get that fixed....
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh damn, i did find another one
[02:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's a known problem since ksambaplugins defines a bad default conf for samba...
[02:26] <Hobbsee> (size of dots for password fields are really small now)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> ahhh...nasty
[02:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I may be able to fix it
[02:27] <Hobbsee> the entire way we handle that sucks.
[02:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I con't confirm the dots things
[02:27] <Hobbsee> really?  interesting
[02:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which dots ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: kdm, screensaver
[02:27] <Hobbsee> password fields
[02:28] <Hobbsee> (with the patch that went from stars to big dots, then little dots_
[02:29] <fdoving> gah.. beta.launchpad.net urls breaks everything.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ahh, you dont have access to the beta?
[02:30] <fdoving> no. i'm not very interessted either.
[02:30] <fdoving> i think the 'stable' is beta-enought.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: hehe
[02:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks normal to me...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: okay, weird.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: multiple people have seen it.  will look further
[02:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'd say dpi problem
[02:32] <Hobbsee> or global font problem, maybe.  hrm
[02:34] <fdoving> isn't that hardcoded?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hi Lure!
[02:37] <Lure> hi Hobbsee
[02:43] <Tonio_> Lure: I hope you appreciate the nice fonts now ? :)
[02:44] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, great work by you
[02:44] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[02:45] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you triage bugs in the next days, send a resume at kubuntu-devel, I'll fix them
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: will do :)
[03:15] <nixternal> moins
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> !release
[03:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:16] <Hobbsee> !feisty
[03:16] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just building kdebase for krandrtray and then mark as fix released
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm happy ;)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:21] <_allee> Riddell, Lure: upstream would like to: 1) rc2 this WE and final next WE -> one week delay.  2) ask if exiv2 0.13 for final is okay.
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: feisty is already way more debugged and stable than edgy and we have 2 month of bug fixing to improve it :)
[03:21] <_allee> hi Tonio_ , Hobbsee
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay!
[03:21] <Hobbsee> heya _allee!
[03:22] <Tonio_> feisty will be the first really mature and stable version kubuntu :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:23] <allee> I've the feeling that exiv2 0.13 is not such a good idea, because other apps depend on it too.  I've to ask if it involves a soname change
[03:23] <Tonio_> I just hope riddell willl not blame me for the 3 kdebase and 4 kds uploads the same day :)
[03:23] <Lure> allee: 8.3. is StringFreeze, therefore it is agressive. Can we push at least dependancies (exiv2 0.13, libkexiv early next week)?
[03:23] <Lure> allee: but Riddell would know better
[03:24] <Lure> Riddell: did we get any comment on your exception request?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: about kpowersave, were you still dealing with that?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh, better that than having to download the binaries over and over again
[03:26] <allee> Lure: ah, right libkexiv2 needs a new release too.  but we can add the important bug fix as a patch
[03:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: I am considering to prepare 0.7.2 as it works with HAL, not sure if it should go in feisty (as it is unstable branch)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> right
[03:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure
[03:27] <Lure> allee: I think if we can get depends in next week (new source package libkexiv and new upstream release of exiv2), we should be fine
[03:28] <Lure> allee: we have edgy/feisty test packages, so update should be quick and painless
[03:28] <allee> Lure: assume that exiv2 does not change soname, yeet
[03:28] <Lure> allee: right, but I suspect it will (as it uses package version, right)?
[03:30] <allee> Lure: that's a bug ;)  Maybe they really broke soname with every release.  but nevertheless one should not couple both
[03:30] <Lure> allee: agreed, but the reply was that they change API often, so it is almost the same ;-)
[03:31] <allee> :)
[03:42] <nixternal> man, I have created a stir with 1 blog post
[03:42] <nixternal> the Inquirer is contacting me, Inquiring mines want to know ;p
[03:42] <nixternal> mines?
[03:42] <nixternal> wow, minds
[03:43] <ScottK> nixternal: What blog posting?
[03:43] <fdoving> theinquirer.net ?
[03:47] <Jucato>  http://blog.nixternal.com/2007.02.22/quit-comparing-us-to-windows/
[03:52] <fdoving> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm is good.
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <fdoving> hi bddebian.
[04:02] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:02] <bddebian> Hi fdoving, Jucato
[05:13] <DaSkreech> can I just confirm that speedcrunch is being removed from the CD?
[05:27] <DaSkreech>  can't we configure the dots to be different stuff?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Good post
[05:45] <DaSkreech> I know someone who jumped for that one reason alone
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Hero of the day :)
[05:56] <Riddell> again?
[05:57] <DaSkreech> Riddell: You awarded it to him
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Speedcrunch is coming off the cd?
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi :)
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: no critical bugs fixed today, but a good bunch of uploads/bugs fixed
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk-qt-engines issue with gnome is resolved
[06:32] <Tonio_> but I don't know if that's enough for the title again :)
[06:33] <Tm_T> Anyone using xvmc output with xine/kaffeine here?
[06:33] <Tm_T> Doesn't seem to be good thing atm.
[06:34] <mhb> what about the rather too small dots instead of password chars?
[06:35] <mhb> Tonio_: you seem to be rather active (and successful in bug fixing) lately, what about that? :o) Just kidding, though.
[07:39] <Tonio_> mhb: I don't think that's a bug.... depends on dpi settings, I don't have any issue here....
[07:39] <Tonio_> mhb: what are your default fonts ?
[07:49] <Lure> not sure what we should do with bug 86680 :-(
[07:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86680 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager stops kde applications from accessing the network" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86680
[07:57] <yuriy> Lure: if it's referring to when you're online, but knetworkmanager thinks you're off, i think i can confirm
[07:57] <yuriy> though not for all kde apps
[07:58] <yuriy> though the real bug is that knetworkmanager doesn't recognize a manually configured network
[07:58] <mhb> Lure: yeah, I think I mentioned that to you a while ago
[07:58] <Lure> yuriy: exactly, problem is that knetworkmanager does not know about static configs and claims network as offline :-(
[07:58] <mhb> Tonio_: hmm
[07:58] <yuriy> Lure: not only static configs
[07:59] <Lure> mhb: yep, problem is that there is no nice fix as debian backend in n-m does not expose static intrfaces
[07:59] <mhb> Tonio_: I don't think it depends on DPI cause I haven't configured that at all
[07:59] <yuriy> Lure: if you do iwconfig..dhclient then it doesn't realize you're online
[07:59] <Lure> yuriy: right, all non n-m controlled
[07:59] <mhb> Tonio_: and if you checked the ML recently, quite some people experienced this one
[07:59] <mhb> Lure: enjoy :o)
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Khess?
[08:01] <mhb> Tonio_: DejaVu Sans, by the way
[08:02] <Tonio_> mhb: try switching to sans serif and set kde dpi to 100 in the fonts config box
[08:02] <DaSkreech> 1 bug
[08:02] <DaSkreech> bug 1
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Ichthux :)
[08:03] <Tonio_> Lure: argh, nasty.......
[08:03] <mhb> Tonio_: I can't set DPI to 100, 96 only
[08:03] <Tonio_> mhb: do that ;)
[08:03] <Tonio_> and reload kde
[08:04] <Tonio_> Lure: we'll have to patch knetworkmanager then....
[08:05] <Lure> Tonio_: I am looking into this now, but whole networkstatus is questionable now :-(
[08:05] <Tonio_> Lure: yes :/
[08:05] <mhb> I believe this bug is quite important
[08:05] <mhb> at least for me :o)
[08:05] <Tonio_> mhb: I agree but can you do something eventually ?
[08:05] <Tonio_> create a new profile and try with this one
[08:06] <mhb> (I meant the networkmanager-related one)
[08:06] <mhb> okay
[08:06] <Tonio_> I wonder if that's not due to something like corrupted profile or specific settings....
[08:06] <Tonio_> bbiab
[08:07] <mhb> Tonio_: hmm ... but then it affected more people than just me
[08:07] <Tonio_> Lure: we have time to investigate
[08:07] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe that's even known issue and there is a fix somewhere...
[08:07] <Tonio_> mhb: lost of people have a very old profile :)
[08:08] <Lure> Tonio_: I doubt, as this is debian/ubuntu specific change and networkstatus is only used in suse
[08:08] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe suse has a fix ;)
[08:09] <meduxa> hi all, have you guys seen this article?
[08:09] <meduxa> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=650&num=1
[08:09] <mhb> Tonio_: brand new profile, same issue
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Yup
[08:09] <DaSkreech>  Just read it
[08:10] <DaSkreech>  Kubutu es slow :)
[08:10] <Tonio_> mhb: and with fixed dpi ?
[08:10] <mhb> Tonio_: you mean a forced one?
[08:10] <Tonio_> mhb: can you send me a screenshot at tonio@ubuntu.com please ?
[08:10] <Tonio_> I have to see the problem.....
[08:10] <meduxa> with a not so high performance hardware would be a nice test
[08:10] <Tonio_> I'm left now
[08:11] <Tonio_> Lure: the static config can also happen in sue right :)
[08:11] <Lure> Tonio_: yep, but they handle networkstatus also for static config and we cannot
[08:11] <Tonio_> Lure: why can't we ?
[08:11] <Lure> Tonio_: as they are not handled by n-m, and I doubt we can patch ifup/down with kde specific changes ;-)
[08:11] <Tonio_> how do they do ?
[08:12] <Tonio_> at suse
[08:12] <Tonio_> their static config is the than for us right ? /etc/network/interface thing.....
[08:12] <Lure> Tonio_: static networks are still presented in n-m, while debian/ubuntu strip them out
[08:12] <Tonio_> do they patch ifup/ifdown ?
[08:12] <Tonio_> Lure: do they ?
[08:12] <Tonio_> that's not the default.....
[08:13] <DaSkreech> meduxa: of course it is of note that there is very little difference between all of them
[08:13] <Tonio_> Lure: that's patching, afaik knm simply ignores static config, that's the normal way to work
[08:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I'd be curious to see that....
[08:14] <mhb> Tonio_: right away
[08:16] <meduxa> yes, there is no much difference
[08:23] <yuriy> shouldn't n-m be able to figure out when you're online and when you're not?
[08:23] <yuriy> isn't that half the point of the program
[08:23] <Lure> yuriy: n-m (debian version) just skips all networks that are already configured
[08:23] <Lure> yuriy: therefore knm does not have complete picture and claims we are offline
[08:24] <yuriy> why does it skip them? suse version doesn't?
[08:25] <yuriy> meduxa: wow that is quite some hardware
[08:26] <mhb> Tonio_: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5205/badfontrs4.png sorry for the localized desktop but I guess you get the picture
[08:27] <yuriy> mhb: i don't get the picture, what's wrong with it?
[08:28] <meduxa> yes, it is like testing windows vista in a 4 micro and 8 GB server
[08:29] <mhb> yuriy: the characters that are displayed in that password box are too tiny
[08:30] <mhb> yuriy: in another way: they're way too small to see & ugly, too
[08:31] <mhb> yuriy: people can get confused because no other system has ever used tiny squares for that...
[08:31] <yuriy> mhb: oh that, i thought you were talking about fonts. i agree, there's already a thread on k-d on that
[08:31] <mhb> yuriy: yup I Know
[08:32] <yuriy> mine are bigger though for some reason, but that's something with my fonts
[08:32] <mhb> yuriy: I'm trying to convince Tonio_ to fix it, he was able to be the Hero of the day once, I'm sure he can do that one more time
[08:32] <yuriy> they all got a little bigger after i installed gdm to try something
[08:33] <yuriy> mhb: Tonio_'s the hero of the day several times a day : )
[08:33] <mhb> yuriy: I have ubuntu-,kubuntu- and xubuntu-desktop here ... they are still the same
[08:33] <DaSkreech> How does a dist-upgrade work with .hidden?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Will it remove it?
[08:34] <Lure> DaSkreech: it will remove /.hidden if symlink
[08:36] <DaSkreech> ok nice :)
[08:38] <Lure> DaSkreech: there is fix for edgy in -proposed, but I am not sure when it will get through SRU :-(
[08:38] <DaSkreech> That's fine as long as amarok stops breaking for people
[08:38] <yuriy> speaking of heroes, bug 86065 is really annoying
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86065 in kdebase "setxkbmap only effects newly started applications" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86065
[08:56] <Tonio_> mhb: seen it, I'll investigate....
[09:21] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks, that would help
[09:35] <mhb> Lure_: is the memory leak fixed yet?
[09:35] <mhb> Lure_: of the battery status monitor
[09:36] <mhb> Lure_: I'd like to be able to use it again :o)
[09:42] <Tonio_> mhb: I think yes
[09:43] <Tonio_> it has been resolved with latest upload of python-dbus afaik
[09:45] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks, will test
[09:51] <toma> is there a wiki for howto uvf?
[09:52] <toma> i know it globally
[09:56] <toma> fond it
[10:14] <_StefanS_> evening :)
[10:14] <mhb> good evening
[10:19] <toma> Riddell: do i need your approval on a uvf exception or just assign it to motu-uvf?
[10:45] <toma> nm
[11:00] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[12:01] <nixternal> with Konqueror and the new Flash installer, how is that activated, just by going to a website with Flash use?