ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild12:14
jjesse!feisty kernel12:14
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about feisty kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:14
jjessehow do i get ubotu to tell what version something in feisty will be?12:14
jjesse!ubotu help12:15
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots12:15
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Hobbsee!info basket12:15
ubotubasket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB12:15
Hobbsee!info basket feisty12:15
jjessehello Hobbsee12:15
ubotubasket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB12:15
jjesse!info kernel feisty12:15
ubotuPackage kernel does not exist in feisty12:15
Hobbseego by package name12:16
jjessegrumble, what kernel will be in feisty?12:16
HobbseeSysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.20-8-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 23/71GB, RAM: 667/1510MB, 133 proc's, 17.30min up12:16
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Hobbseeapt-cache search kernel tends to tell you12:16
jjessenice computer name12:16
jjesseah ok12:16
Hobbseeyep :)12:16
HobbseeLongPointyStickOfDoom was a bit long12:16
jjessegrin is that just a test machine then?12:17
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Hobbseeseeing as it manages to get up to 88C at times.12:17
mhbHobbsee!! :o)12:18
Hobbseeheya mhb!!!!12:18
Hobbseemhb: how's your testing team going?12:18
mhbHobbsee: sleepy lately, I am ashamed12:19
mhbHobbsee: I have to wake them up12:19
mhbHobbsee: first thing I do in the morning :o)12:19
mhb(it's 00:19)12:19
Hobbseehehe, ouch12:20
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tomaHobbsee: !~~!12:27
Hobbseehey toma!!!!12:27
HobbseeTonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/86065 for your next bugfixing urg12:32
HobbseeTonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/86065 for your next bugfixing urge12:32
UbugtuMalone bug 86065 in kdebase "setxkbmap only effects newly started applications" [Medium,Confirmed] 12:32
Hobbseemhb: you still around?12:48
mhbHobbsee: yep12:49
mhbHobbsee: not for long, though :o)12:49
Hobbseemhb: do you know if Riddell needed people to test the upgrader?12:50
mhbHobbsee: /topic says that, right?12:51
mhbHobbsee: in other words: yes12:52
Hobbseemhb: ahhh, didnt notice it had been updated12:53
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jjessethe upgrader works12:58
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mhbjjesse: heh :o) a bold claim12:59
jjessemhb: it worked on my virtual machines12:59
mhbjjesse: I'd say it *worked* . Once. :o)12:59
mhbjjesse: which is common.01:00
yuriyi'm thinking of testing dist-upgrade from dapper01:00
mhbjjesse: the real challenge is to try some exotic packages or have a whole lot of packages and then upgrade01:00
jjessemhb: ah it was a defalt install of edgy for documenting the upgrade process for the kubuntu chpt01:00
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yuriyi don't really understand what the dist-upgrade tool is. and is there one for dapper?01:01
jjesseonly for edg01:01
jjessewhat happens is adept_notifier notifies you that you have packages and then you simply run adept_updater to do the upgrade01:01
yuriyso under dapper, the upgrade would be as before? change dapper to feisty in sources.list and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade01:02
jjessei guess01:02
yuriyand that should work in theory01:02
Hobbseeyuriy: only for edgy01:03
Hobbseeyuriy: you catn dist-upgrade directly from dapper to feisty01:03
Hobbseeyuriy: you say upgrade to the new release, and it downloads and fixes everything for you01:03
Hobbseeyuriy: that will break01:03
Hobbseeyuriy: you need to go to edgy, then dist-upgrade again to feisty01:03
jjessehave to got dapper -> edgy -> feisty01:03
yuriyHobbsee: oh, i thought you can skip releases. so dapper -> edgy -> feisty (except the first step will probably break..)01:03
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yuriyeh i won't bother then. that's more of a test of upgrading dapper -> edgy01:04
Hobbseeyuriy: if you fix all dependancies yourself, yes01:04
Hobbseefdoving: that's going to be a pain of an upgrade...01:04
Hobbseeyuriy: true.  all the transitional packages only workf rom release to release01:04
yuriyHobbsee: thats why i thought you can skip releases. i thought you can go lts -> lts01:05
jjessei would hope you could go lts -> lts01:05
mhbdoes anyone happen to know where the Konqueror main page is stored?01:06
Hobbseeyou can - there will be transitional package between lts'01:06
jjesselts +1 is feisty +1 ?01:06
Hobbseebut not between non-lts' not in sequence01:06
Hobbseejjesse: hasnt been said01:06
yuriymhb: the about:konqueror page?01:06
mhbyuriy: yep01:07
yuriymhb: i think it's /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/launch.html but if you open that it doesn't really show the contents01:08
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mhbyuriy: thanks01:08
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yuriyplaying around with kde4 :) ksysguard is nice01:55
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nixternalbut 74222 - I have added a dpatch to the bug that fixes and closes that error if someone can hook up qtparted02:16
nixternalbug 7422202:16
UbugtuMalone bug 74222 in qtparted "manually prepare partition warning:  wrong choice of word" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7422202:16
yuriykdmrc still not getting overwritten :-\02:17
nixternalwhy is the Herd 4 installer so damn difficult when it comes to partitioning?02:22
nixternalwhat is the trick with qtparted? it is starting to really annoy me02:27
manchickenDamnit, debconf is giving me shit again.02:29
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nixternalthe login screen, have the circles been replaced by little squares?03:24
nixternalHobbsee: I don't have an Edgy box around anymore, so I need some Feisty loving for the KDE4 snapshot03:25
Hobbseenixternal: good point.03:25
nixternalhrmm, how do I get that flash plugin loader for konqueror to popup?03:27
Jucatogo to a site that has flash content?03:29
nixternaldoesn't work03:30
nixternalI just went to youtube03:30
nixternalwell I will be damn03:31
nixternalit doesn't work for youtube03:31
nixternalflash-game.net it works :)03:31
nixternalgreat, I need to document this for the sys docs03:31
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Jucatohm... we're in total freeze now right?03:32
JucatoI'm just wondering if the Konqueror web shortcuts have been updated to reflect the h.u.c. vs. w.u.c. distinction03:33
Hobbseeno idea03:37
yuriynixternal: the edgy packages seem to work on feisty.. though i guess i couldn't actually tell if it's broken because kde4 is so broken03:40
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nixternalhow do I uninstall that flash plugin now that it is installed?03:59
stdinsudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree04:00
nixternalthat isn't what gets installed04:00
nixternalI just tried that04:00
stdinwhat package is it?04:01
nixternalthe flash plugin deal with konqueror04:01
stdinyeah, there are a couple, gnash and the adobe one are two04:02
stdinif it's the adobe one, then that's the package04:02
Jucatostdin: no04:02
Jucatothe new flash installer script in Konqueror installs to $HOME iirc04:02
nixternalhrmm, it even shows up in Firefox as installed, and I checked...oh wait, let me check ~/04:02
stdinJucato: in ~/mozilla/plugins ?04:02
Jucatostdin: not really sure. Tonio's the guy to ask about that04:03
nixternalstdin: yes04:03
nixternalexactly where it is04:03
stdinwow, I actually remembered, I get a gold star now :)04:03
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nixternalwho was having debconf issues?04:50
nixternalI am having them trying to install Java04:50
Jucatomanchicken was, iirc04:50
nixternalfeisty is making documentation damn near impossible04:50
manchickenI was.04:50
nixternalthis sucks04:50
nixternalmanchicken: did you find anyways around it?04:50
nixternalya, but I need the instructions for debconf though for documentation04:51
nixternalI am sure it is just a bunch of "press next" anyways04:51
nixternaland probably an "I agree" button04:51
manchickenI think you may have to wait until it's fixed ^_^04:51
manchickenBTW, I'm not changing jobs, just moving.04:51
yuriynixternal: it's not a bunch of press next, there's a checkbox at the bottom of the license04:52
yuriyi was really confused for a bit on that one04:52
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manchickenIt seems like this debconf thing may just be a Perl issue.04:54
nixternalya, but it crashes before you even get the chance to accept the license04:55
manchickenDo you know if the debconf stuff was put into JR's adept tree?04:57
nixternalI don't know04:59
nixternalyey, Winter Storm Watch until 6pm on Sunday05:00
nixternalthis weekend is going to suck05:00
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manchickenRich, you gonna be at the GLUG meeting?05:32
manchickenYou absolutely must see my Perl AJAX talk.05:32
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nixternalmanchicken: no, I have way to much work to get finished this weekend for Kubuntu05:50
nixternalI have about 1 month worth of work to get done before freeze next in 2 weeks05:50
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nixternalI am busting arse tonight, finished the entire Kubuntu Internet topic, working on the Network topic now05:54
nixternalNFS is my biggie, but I think I am going to point the user to refer to a couple of web sites concerning NFS and configuration05:54
Jucatoyou're the man nixternal!! you're the man! :D05:54
nixternalunless someone here is a resident NFS expert :)05:54
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nixternalJucato: I only wish, I am just a peasant trying to earn my break ;p05:55
manchickennixternal: Isn't that just feature freeze?06:34
nixternalstring freeze06:52
nixternalMarch 8th06:52
nixternalfor translations06:52
manchickenI really need someone else to help take a peek at this issue.07:00
nixternalwhat issue is it?07:15
manchickenadept_updater crashing when you click Details button.07:17
nixternalwith the current updates, or do you have a seperate package?07:18
manchickenI think a different object is being passed to the ItemChangelog from adept_manager to adept_updater07:18
manchickenWith current updates as well, though I've made some changes.07:18
manchickengotta restart k07:19
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manchickenFeisty does not like this laptop.07:34
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mhbmorning all10:32
Jucatomoin mhb10:34
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HobbseeRiddell: ping?11:54
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Hobbseehey GNUro!12:06
GNUrohello Hobbsee!:)12:06
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HobbseeGNUro: you a kde person, or what?12:08
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GNUroHobbsee: i'm a new kde developer. At moment i'm working on my App: KPackageMaker.12:10
HobbseeGNUro: nice :)12:11
HobbseeGNUro: what's that do?  compiles things from source?12:11
GNUroHobbsee: at moment it packages tarball in deb, generic tgz binary and rpm(rpm doesn't work at moment..)12:17
Hobbseehow are you doing the deb?12:17
GNUroHobbsee: however it's an alpha.12:18
HobbseeGNUro: the question still stands :P12:19
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Hobbseeheya toma!12:20
GNUroHobbsee: yes.12:20
GNUroHobbsee: also.12:21
tomahey Hobbsee12:21
tomahi all12:21
HobbseeGNUro: hrm?  i asked "how are you making the debs?"  ie, with checkinstall or what?  yes, and also, are not appropriate answers to this.12:21
GNUroHi toma!12:21
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Jucatowb Hobbsee12:27
=== Hobbsee will upgrade this machine to the kde snapshot, and the other to feisty, from edgy
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tomawrong window...12:50
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tomahi dino12:56
Hobbseehey dinosaur-rus12:58
Hobbseeaww damn, better get bug filing12:59
Hobbseethe kde4 snapshot has broken deps01:01
tomaHobbsee: upstream?01:02
Hobbseetoma:the one in the topic01:02
Hobbsee(third one)01:02
Hobbseeholy cow.  other laptop is already 68C01:03
tomamost proc's will shutdown when they get too hot01:05
Hobbseethis has gotten to 88C, iirc01:06
Hobbseemight have been into the 90's01:06
toma90 is pretty much the max01:06
Jucatoyay! monitor turning purple... a perfect match for Edgy's artwork!01:07
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Hobbseeoh wait, after it's done the updates01:07
Hobbsee__ooh, kde4 :)01:12
Hobbsee__sarah@sarah:~$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server01:14
Hobbsee__Xlib: No protocol specified01:14
Hobbsee__dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0.001:14
Hobbsee__no go on that upgrader01:14
Hobbsee__Jucato: is the snapshot supposed to have the oxygen icons?01:18
JucatoHobbsee__: afaik not yet. the icons haven't been moved to kdelibs yet01:18
Jucatostill KDE 3.5.x-ish?01:18
Hobbsee__manchicken|away: hrm, you're away01:18
Hobbsee__yes, rather.01:18
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marseillaiJucato: "The next planned change is new integration of Oxygen, the new artwork concept. Work on Plasma is also taking up pace." http://dot.kde.org/1172249109/ so normally no!01:19
Hobbsee__Riddell: ping when you're around01:23
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mhbhi abattoir01:49
abattoirhi mhb :)01:50
Hobbseehey abattoir01:51
abattoirhello Hobbsee :)01:51
Jucatohi abattoir!!!!01:51
abattoirhi Jucato! :)01:51
abattoirhi, everyone else, too :)01:52
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Jucatoah basket :)01:53
Hobbseewhy after the weekend?01:53
Jucatoit's a weekend. this is for "work" hehehe01:53
mhbweekends are the only time I can get something done01:57
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dinosaur-rusuh, dot.kde.org is down02:13
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dinosaur-rusomg, it's up again :)02:15
dinosaur-russo quickly :P02:15
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buzi'm trying to compile knetworkmanager from svn02:24
buzbut i cant figure out what to do with the configure.in.in file in svn02:24
Hobbseebuz: try #kde02:25
tomabuz: is it in svn?02:27
buzi'm hoping maybe the bug with connecting to wpa2 networks would be fixed in svn02:27
Hobbseewhich was that?02:27
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buzif i try to click on a wpa2 network, it just does nothing02:27
buzif i manually connect to it, it works02:27
Hobbseegot /etc/network/interfaces stuff uncommented?02:28
buzsupposedly gnome doesnt have that issue so i assume its knetworkmanager02:28
buzwell wpa2 works, but only if i enter ssid etc manually02:28
buznot when i just click on the list of networks02:28
buzwpa works just fine, too02:28
tomabuz: you dont need to do anything with configure.in.in02:28
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buzok so now i get configure etc but it fails to include libnl headers03:23
buz /usr/include/netlink/netlink-kernel.h:222: error: ?__u32? does not name a type03:23
manchickenHobbsee: I.B. Here03:27
Hobbseemanchicken: yay.  how does one force the updater to work, when it cant connect to the display?03:27
manchickenAre you running it as a different user than K?03:30
manchicken-2'C... Real feel -10'C... The cold returns...03:31
Hobbseethink i was using kdesu, so shouldnt have been03:31
Hobbseedunno what happened03:31
Hobbseewill have to debug when someone's actually here03:32
Hobbsee(it's on my other machine)03:32
manchickenTry xhost +03:32
manchickenThen see if it works.03:32
manchickenThat's what I use when I'm debugging.03:32
manchickenWhile kdesu shouldn't require xhost +, doesn't mean it's not broken in feisty :P03:32
manchickenHell, everything else seems to be ^_^03:33
manchickenWhat's really annoying is that when I log into K, the power manager complains that it can't touch the power management stuff via DBUS.03:33
manchickenI think that's why it doesn't know how fast my CPU is running.03:33
manchickenBut I suppose all that is why we call it an "unstable development version" ^_^03:35
manchickenHobbsee: Did ya hear that I'mma be movin'?03:36
Hobbseewhere to?03:36
Hobbseeof course, i was merely attempting to test it out :)03:36
manchickenYeah, I'll be moving about 135 miles south to Champaign, Illinois ^_^03:36
manchickenHobbsee: I'm more just belly achin' with that previous comment, not talking about you ^_^03:37
manchickenThe plethora of small annoying problems is really constituting a large annoyance.03:37
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elcucohi, does anyone have write acess to the resolution kcontrol applet which is shiped in kubuntu?04:01
elcucoit uses KTabCtl which is borked in RTL desktops. The fix is to use QTabWidget, just modify the include, and class definition. They use the same API.04:02
Hobbseeelcuco: filed a bug on it?04:02
elcucowhy? easier to ask for svn write acess and fix it myself :)04:03
Hobbseegot a patch for it, then?04:03
Hobbseeseeing as it's not in svn04:04
elcucoi need to know where the source is. is it python? can i edit it locally on my machine? or recompilation is needed?04:04
manchickenI believe it's C++...04:06
manchickenYou could recompile it on your machine if you have a build environment.04:06
elcucook. apt-source... whats the application name?04:06
manchickenJust find the .desktop file and dpkg-query -S the file.04:07
manchickenThat'll tell you what package it's in.04:07
Jucatokde-guidance modules are in Python afaik04:07
Jucatodisplay module is displayconfig.py04:07
manchickenShowoff :P04:07
manchickenwhat's goin' on jucato?04:07
JucatoI found that out a few months ago04:08
Jucatowhat's going on? trying to write a blog post that's one month overdue...04:08
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=== manchicken has some FSCKING START LETTING ME SUSPEND AGAIN wishes for feisy+0 :P
manchickenWe should call it (+ feisty 1)04:12
manchickenReverse polish notation.  So nifty.04:13
elcucoyes, one line change, and it works pretty good.04:13
manchickenelcuco: Cool.  Make sure you submit it to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com04:14
elcucoma, done04:23
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elcucomanchicken: ^^04:28
manchickenNow find something else to fix ^_^04:28
manchickenI'm sure there're other RTL things that could be fixed.04:28
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elcucocrap, my message was rejected since i am not subscribed.04:35
elcucomanchicken: i need to translate the UI before i can know what new needs to be fixed.04:35
manchickenelcuco: It's not hard to subscribe, or if you email it to me I'll forward it on.04:39
manchickenMake sure you put your real name in the message so I can give you proper credit.04:40
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manchickenOooh Riddell... where are you?06:07
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kishore__Hi, i am running feisty and i am unable to pair any bluetooth phone07:09
kishore__is this a known issue? i could not find a recent entry07:10
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manchickenCheck out #kubuntu+1 for that question.07:11
manchickenOr is that #ubuntu+1?07:11
manchickenYeah, #ubuntu+1 is the feller.07:12
kishore__ok thanks07:12
manchickenMake sure you read the topic.07:12
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jjessewill shipit be sending out feisty cd's this time?  if i remember they don't send out edgy cds?08:53
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manchickenjjesse: They'll sell edgy CDs.08:59
jjessebut not ship for free?08:59
manchickenNo, only LTS ships for free.08:59
jjessewill fiesty not ship for free then?08:59
manchickenIt will when it gets to LTS status.09:00
manchickenIt seems like only LTS and older versions ship.09:00
jjessefeisty is the next long time support like dapper?09:00
manchickenNo, Edgy is next.09:00
manchickenWhen the next stable release after Feisty makes it out, then Feisty will be LTS.09:01
jjessei'm  sorry your are confusing me w/ LTS, i thought only dapper was long time support (being supported for 3 years on the desktop)09:01
mhbboys, you're confusing each other :o)09:01
jjesseok mhb clarify it for me :)09:02
mhbDapper = LTS ... other releases will be shipped to LoCo Team Leaders only (a few hundred CDs for each)09:02
jjessethat's what i thought09:02
mhbShipit will ship the next LTS version, but AFAIK nobody's sure when that will be09:03
manchickenI was under the impression that Edgy will be moving into LTS once Feisty is out.09:03
Lathiatmanchicken: no, that is incorrect09:03
alleemanchicken: no09:03
LathiatLTS releases are made every so oftne09:03
Lathiatdapper was the first09:03
manchickenOkie dokie.09:03
Lathiatneither edgy or feisty will be LTD09:03
manchickenWell Shipit will ship the lastest version for a fee IIRC.09:03
jjessethat's what i thought09:04
jjessejust trying to get things clarified for the kubuntu chpt09:04
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HymnToLifeIf there is a member of the Kubuntu.org staff arount here, the informations about adding the apt key were forgotten on that page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php10:12
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_StefanS_evening !10:37
_StefanS_Riddell: does that kde4 snapshot work for feisty as well ?10:37
mhb_StefanS_: nope10:38
_StefanS_hmm would be fun to see how it performs..10:39
mhb_StefanS_: it's better to wait till someone packages it for feisty10:39
_StefanS_mhb: yea, or compile it yourself10:39
_StefanS_mhb: I actually already did that, but it seemed easier to just install some deb's10:39
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ryanakcahmm... how do I restore Kubuntu to it's default appearance?10:53
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ryanakcaand... I'm asking in the wrong channel10:53
_StefanS_hmm I'm still having the debian kdm theme after I ran some updates, anyone else know how to fix this ? tried reinstalling kubuntu-default..settings10:54
mhbryanakca: I usually delete some .kde directories et voila!10:59
ryanakcamhb: what .kde is the question 10:59
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mhbryanakca: not sure11:01
mhbryanakca: I usually have a second user just for that11:02
ryanakcahitting defaults in kcontrol gives me high contrast theme11:03
ryanakcahmm... defaults in win decs doesn't do anything11:05
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manchicken_Riddell: You about?11:18
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