[12:14] <jjesse> !kernel
[12:14] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:14] <jjesse> !feisty kernel
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about feisty kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <jjesse> how do i get ubotu to tell what version something in feisty will be?
[12:15] <jjesse> !ubotu help
[12:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
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[12:15] <Hobbsee> !info basket
[12:15] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[12:15] <Hobbsee> !info basket feisty
[12:15] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[12:15] <ubotu> basket: a multi-purpose note-taking application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (feisty), package size 4797 kB, installed size 7360 kB
[12:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:15] <jjesse> !info kernel feisty
[12:15] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in feisty
[12:16] <Hobbsee> go by package name
[12:16] <jjesse> grumble, what kernel will be in feisty?
[12:16] <jjesse> ah
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStick': Linux 2.6.20-8-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2250  @ 1.73GHz at 800 MHz (3458 bogomips), HD: 23/71GB, RAM: 667/1510MB, 133 proc's, 17.30min up
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[12:16] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search kernel tends to tell you
[12:16] <jjesse> nice computer name
[12:16] <jjesse> ah ok
[12:16] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> LongPointyStickOfDoom was a bit long
[12:17] <jjesse> grin is that just a test machine then?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> nope
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[12:17] <Hobbsee> seeing as it manages to get up to 88C at times.
[12:17] <jjesse> wow
[12:18] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:18] <mhb> Hobbsee!! :o)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> heya mhb!!!!
[12:18] <Hobbsee> mhb: how's your testing team going?
[12:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: sleepy lately, I am ashamed
[12:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: I have to wake them up
[12:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: first thing I do in the morning :o)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:19] <mhb> (it's 00:19)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> hehe, ouch
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[12:27] <toma> Hobbsee: !~~!
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hey toma!!!!
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/86065 for your next bugfixing urg
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/86065 for your next bugfixing urge
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86065 in kdebase "setxkbmap only effects newly started applications" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mhb: you still around?
[12:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: yep
[12:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: not for long, though :o)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> right
[12:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: do you know if Riddell needed people to test the upgrader?
[12:51] <mhb> Hobbsee: /topic says that, right?
[12:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: in other words: yes
[12:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahhh, didnt notice it had been updated
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[12:58] <jjesse> the upgrader works
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[12:59] <mhb> jjesse: heh :o) a bold claim
[12:59] <jjesse> mhb: it worked on my virtual machines
[12:59] <mhb> jjesse: I'd say it *worked* . Once. :o)
[12:59] <jjesse> :P
[01:00] <mhb> jjesse: which is common.
[01:00] <yuriy> i'm thinking of testing dist-upgrade from dapper
[01:00] <mhb> jjesse: the real challenge is to try some exotic packages or have a whole lot of packages and then upgrade
[01:00] <jjesse> mhb: ah it was a defalt install of edgy for documenting the upgrade process for the kubuntu chpt
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[01:01] <yuriy> i don't really understand what the dist-upgrade tool is. and is there one for dapper?
[01:01] <jjesse> only for edg
[01:01] <jjesse> edgy
[01:01] <jjesse> what happens is adept_notifier notifies you that you have packages and then you simply run adept_updater to do the upgrade
[01:02] <yuriy> so under dapper, the upgrade would be as before? change dapper to feisty in sources.list and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:02] <jjesse> i guess
[01:02] <yuriy> and that should work in theory
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yuriy: only for edgy
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you catn dist-upgrade directly from dapper to feisty
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you say upgrade to the new release, and it downloads and fixes everything for you
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yuriy: that will break
[01:03] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you need to go to edgy, then dist-upgrade again to feisty
[01:03] <jjesse> have to got dapper -> edgy -> feisty
[01:03] <yuriy> Hobbsee: oh, i thought you can skip releases. so dapper -> edgy -> feisty (except the first step will probably break..)
=== fdoving is looking forward to dapper -> next lts.
[01:04] <yuriy> eh i won't bother then. that's more of a test of upgrading dapper -> edgy
[01:04] <Hobbsee> yuriy: if you fix all dependancies yourself, yes
[01:04] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that's going to be a pain of an upgrade...
[01:04] <Hobbsee> yuriy: true.  all the transitional packages only workf rom release to release
[01:05] <yuriy> Hobbsee: thats why i thought you can skip releases. i thought you can go lts -> lts
[01:05] <jjesse> i would hope you could go lts -> lts
[01:06] <mhb> does anyone happen to know where the Konqueror main page is stored?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> you can - there will be transitional package between lts'
[01:06] <yuriy> oh
[01:06] <jjesse> lts +1 is feisty +1 ?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> but not between non-lts' not in sequence
[01:06] <Hobbsee> jjesse: hasnt been said
[01:06] <yuriy> mhb: the about:konqueror page?
[01:07] <mhb> yuriy: yep
[01:08] <yuriy> mhb: i think it's /usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/launch.html but if you open that it doesn't really show the contents
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[01:08] <mhb> yuriy: thanks
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[01:55] <yuriy> playing around with kde4 :) ksysguard is nice
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[02:16] <nixternal> but 74222 - I have added a dpatch to the bug that fixes and closes that error if someone can hook up qtparted
[02:16] <nixternal> err
[02:16] <nixternal> bug 74222
[02:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74222 in qtparted "manually prepare partition warning:  wrong choice of word" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74222
[02:16] <nixternal> heh
[02:17] <yuriy> kdmrc still not getting overwritten :-\
[02:22] <nixternal> why is the Herd 4 installer so damn difficult when it comes to partitioning?
[02:27] <nixternal> what is the trick with qtparted? it is starting to really annoy me
[02:29] <manchicken> Damnit, debconf is giving me shit again.
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[03:24] <nixternal> the login screen, have the circles been replaced by little squares?
[03:25] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I don't have an Edgy box around anymore, so I need some Feisty loving for the KDE4 snapshot
[03:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: good point.
[03:27] <nixternal> hrmm, how do I get that flash plugin loader for konqueror to popup?
[03:29] <Jucato> go to a site that has flash content?
[03:30] <nixternal> doesn't work
[03:30] <nixternal> I just went to youtube
[03:30] <Jucato> :(
[03:31] <nixternal> well I will be damn
[03:31] <nixternal> it doesn't work for youtube
[03:31] <nixternal> flash-game.net it works :)
[03:31] <Jucato> :D
[03:31] <nixternal> great, I need to document this for the sys docs
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[03:32] <Jucato> hm... we're in total freeze now right?
[03:33] <Jucato> I'm just wondering if the Konqueror web shortcuts have been updated to reflect the h.u.c. vs. w.u.c. distinction
[03:37] <Hobbsee> no idea
[03:40] <yuriy> nixternal: the edgy packages seem to work on feisty.. though i guess i couldn't actually tell if it's broken because kde4 is so broken
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[03:59] <nixternal> how do I uninstall that flash plugin now that it is installed?
[04:00] <stdin> sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[04:00] <nixternal> that isn't what gets installed
[04:00] <nixternal> I just tried that
[04:01] <stdin> what package is it?
[04:01] <nixternal> the flash plugin deal with konqueror
[04:02] <stdin> yeah, there are a couple, gnash and the adobe one are two
[04:02] <stdin> if it's the adobe one, then that's the package
[04:02] <Jucato> stdin: no
[04:02] <Jucato> the new flash installer script in Konqueror installs to $HOME iirc
[04:02] <nixternal> hrmm, it even shows up in Firefox as installed, and I checked...oh wait, let me check ~/
[04:02] <stdin> Jucato: in ~/mozilla/plugins ?
[04:03] <Jucato> stdin: not really sure. Tonio's the guy to ask about that
[04:03] <nixternal> stdin: yes
[04:03] <nixternal> exactly where it is
[04:03] <Jucato> :)
[04:03] <stdin> wow, I actually remembered, I get a gold star now :)
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[04:50] <nixternal> who was having debconf issues?
[04:50] <nixternal> I am having them trying to install Java
[04:50] <Jucato> manchicken was, iirc
[04:50] <nixternal> feisty is making documentation damn near impossible
[04:50] <manchicken> I was.
[04:50] <nixternal> this sucks
[04:50] <nixternal> manchicken: did you find anyways around it?
[04:51] <manchicken> CLI
[04:51] <nixternal> ya, but I need the instructions for debconf though for documentation
[04:51] <Jucato> :D
[04:51] <nixternal> I am sure it is just a bunch of "press next" anyways
[04:51] <nixternal> and probably an "I agree" button
[04:51] <manchicken> I think you may have to wait until it's fixed ^_^
[04:51] <nixternal> yup
[04:51] <manchicken> BTW, I'm not changing jobs, just moving.
[04:52] <yuriy> nixternal: it's not a bunch of press next, there's a checkbox at the bottom of the license
[04:52] <yuriy> i was really confused for a bit on that one
=== Jucato heard of something like that too
[04:54] <manchicken> It seems like this debconf thing may just be a Perl issue.
[04:55] <nixternal> ya, but it crashes before you even get the chance to accept the license
[04:55] <yuriy> ah
[04:57] <manchicken> Do you know if the debconf stuff was put into JR's adept tree?
[04:59] <nixternal> I don't know
[05:00] <nixternal> yey, Winter Storm Watch until 6pm on Sunday
[05:00] <nixternal> this weekend is going to suck
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[05:32] <manchicken> Rich, you gonna be at the GLUG meeting?
[05:32] <manchicken> You absolutely must see my Perl AJAX talk.
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[05:50] <nixternal> manchicken: no, I have way to much work to get finished this weekend for Kubuntu
[05:50] <nixternal> I have about 1 month worth of work to get done before freeze next in 2 weeks
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[05:54] <nixternal> thanks
[05:54] <nixternal> I am busting arse tonight, finished the entire Kubuntu Internet topic, working on the Network topic now
[05:54] <nixternal> NFS is my biggie, but I think I am going to point the user to refer to a couple of web sites concerning NFS and configuration
[05:54] <Jucato> you're the man nixternal!! you're the man! :D
[05:54] <nixternal> unless someone here is a resident NFS expert :)
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[05:55] <nixternal> Jucato: I only wish, I am just a peasant trying to earn my break ;p
[06:34] <manchicken> nixternal: Isn't that just feature freeze?
[06:52] <nixternal> string freeze
[06:52] <nixternal> March 8th
[06:52] <nixternal> for translations
[06:59] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:00] <manchicken> I really need someone else to help take a peek at this issue.
[07:15] <nixternal> what issue is it?
[07:17] <manchicken> adept_updater crashing when you click Details button.
[07:18] <nixternal> with the current updates, or do you have a seperate package?
[07:18] <manchicken> I think a different object is being passed to the ItemChangelog from adept_manager to adept_updater
[07:18] <manchicken> With current updates as well, though I've made some changes.
[07:19] <manchicken> brb
[07:19] <manchicken> gotta restart k
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[07:34] <manchicken> Feisty does not like this laptop.
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[09:39] <nixternal> boo
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[10:32] <mhb> morning all
[10:34] <Jucato> moin mhb
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[11:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
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[12:05] <GNUro> 'lo!
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hey GNUro!
[12:06] <GNUro> hello Hobbsee!:)
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[12:08] <Hobbsee> GNUro: you a kde person, or what?
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[12:10] <GNUro> Hobbsee: i'm a new kde developer. At moment i'm working on my App: KPackageMaker.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> GNUro: nice :)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> GNUro: what's that do?  compiles things from source?
[12:17] <GNUro> Hobbsee: at moment it packages tarball in deb, generic tgz binary and rpm(rpm doesn't work at moment..)
[12:17] <Jucato> wow
[12:17] <Hobbsee> how are you doing the deb?
[12:18] <GNUro> Hobbsee: however it's an alpha.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> GNUro: the question still stands :P
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=== Hobbsee should move .kde out of the way before doing so thoguh, probably
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[12:20] <Hobbsee> heya toma!
[12:20] <GNUro> Hobbsee: yes.
[12:21] <GNUro> Hobbsee: also.
[12:21] <toma> hey Hobbsee
[12:21] <toma> hi all
[12:21] <Hobbsee> GNUro: hrm?  i asked "how are you making the debs?"  ie, with checkinstall or what?  yes, and also, are not appropriate answers to this.
[12:21] <GNUro> Hi toma!
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[12:27] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ty
[12:30] <Hobbsee> right
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[12:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
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[12:50] <toma> wrong window...
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[12:56] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[12:56] <toma> hi dino
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hey dinosaur-rus
[12:59] <Hobbsee> aww damn, better get bug filing
[01:01] <Hobbsee> the kde4 snapshot has broken deps
[01:02] <toma> Hobbsee: upstream?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> toma:the one in the topic
[01:02] <Hobbsee> (third one)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> holy cow.  other laptop is already 68C
[01:03] <toma> ok
[01:05] <Hobbsee> 71C...
[01:05] <toma> most proc's will shutdown when they get too hot
[01:06] <Hobbsee> this has gotten to 88C, iirc
[01:06] <Hobbsee> might have been into the 90's
[01:06] <toma> 90 is pretty much the max
[01:07] <Jucato> yay! monitor turning purple... a perfect match for Edgy's artwork!
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[01:07] <Hobbsee> oh wait, after it's done the updates
[01:08] <toma> breakfast!
[01:12] <Hobbsee__> ooh, kde4 :)
[01:13] <Jucato> hehehe
[01:14] <Hobbsee__> sarah@sarah:~$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:14] <Hobbsee__> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:14] <Hobbsee__> dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:14] <Hobbsee__> no go on that upgrader
[01:18] <Hobbsee__> Jucato: is the snapshot supposed to have the oxygen icons?
[01:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee__: afaik not yet. the icons haven't been moved to kdelibs yet
[01:18] <Hobbsee__> right
[01:18] <Jucato> still KDE 3.5.x-ish?
[01:18] <Hobbsee__> manchicken|away: hrm, you're away
[01:18] <Hobbsee__> yes, rather.
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[01:19] <marseillai> Jucato: "The next planned change is new integration of Oxygen, the new artwork concept. Work on Plasma is also taking up pace." http://dot.kde.org/1172249109/ so normally no!
[01:23] <Hobbsee__> Riddell: ping when you're around
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[01:49] <mhb> hi abattoir
[01:50] <abattoir> hi mhb :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir
[01:51] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[01:51] <Jucato> hi abattoir!!!!
[01:51] <abattoir> lol
[01:51] <Jucato> :D
[01:51] <abattoir> hi Jucato! :)
[01:52] <abattoir> hi, everyone else, too :)
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[01:53] <Jucato> ah basket :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> why after the weekend?
[01:53] <Jucato> it's a weekend. this is for "work" hehehe
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:57] <mhb> weekends are the only time I can get something done
=== Hobbsee works weekends, and weeks.
=== Hobbsee goes back to uni on monday - YAY!
[02:03] <Jucato> ooh
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[02:13] <dinosaur-rus> uh, dot.kde.org is down
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[02:15] <dinosaur-rus> omg, it's up again :)
[02:15] <dinosaur-rus> so quickly :P
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[02:24] <buz> hi
[02:24] <buz> i'm trying to compile knetworkmanager from svn
[02:24] <buz> but i cant figure out what to do with the configure.in.in file in svn
[02:25] <Hobbsee> buz: try #kde
[02:27] <buz> ok
[02:27] <toma> buz: is it in svn?
[02:27] <buz> i'm hoping maybe the bug with connecting to wpa2 networks would be fixed in svn
[02:27] <Hobbsee> which was that?
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[02:27] <buz> if i try to click on a wpa2 network, it just does nothing
[02:27] <buz> if i manually connect to it, it works
[02:28] <Hobbsee> got /etc/network/interfaces stuff uncommented?
[02:28] <buz> supposedly gnome doesnt have that issue so i assume its knetworkmanager
[02:28] <buz> well wpa2 works, but only if i enter ssid etc manually
[02:28] <buz> not when i just click on the list of networks
[02:28] <buz> wpa works just fine, too
[02:28] <toma> buz: you dont need to do anything with configure.in.in
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[03:23] <buz> ok so now i get configure etc but it fails to include libnl headers
[03:23] <buz>  /usr/include/netlink/netlink-kernel.h:222: error: ?__u32? does not name a type
[03:27] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I.B. Here
[03:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yay.  how does one force the updater to work, when it cant connect to the display?
[03:30] <manchicken> Are you running it as a different user than K?
[03:31] <manchicken> -2'C... Real feel -10'C... The cold returns...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> think i was using kdesu, so shouldnt have been
[03:31] <Hobbsee> dunno what happened
[03:32] <Hobbsee> will have to debug when someone's actually here
[03:32] <Hobbsee> (it's on my other machine)
[03:32] <manchicken> Try xhost +
[03:32] <manchicken> Then see if it works.
[03:32] <manchicken> That's what I use when I'm debugging.
[03:32] <manchicken> While kdesu shouldn't require xhost +, doesn't mean it's not broken in feisty :P
[03:33] <manchicken> Hell, everything else seems to be ^_^
[03:33] <manchicken> What's really annoying is that when I log into K, the power manager complains that it can't touch the power management stuff via DBUS.
[03:33] <manchicken> I think that's why it doesn't know how fast my CPU is running.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hrm.
[03:35] <manchicken> But I suppose all that is why we call it an "unstable development version" ^_^
[03:36] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Did ya hear that I'mma be movin'?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> nope
[03:36] <Hobbsee> where to?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> of course, i was merely attempting to test it out :)
[03:36] <manchicken> Yeah, I'll be moving about 135 miles south to Champaign, Illinois ^_^
[03:37] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm more just belly achin' with that previous comment, not talking about you ^_^
[03:37] <manchicken> The plethora of small annoying problems is really constituting a large annoyance.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:38] <Hobbsee> nice
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[04:01] <elcuco> hi, does anyone have write acess to the resolution kcontrol applet which is shiped in kubuntu?
[04:02] <elcuco> it uses KTabCtl which is borked in RTL desktops. The fix is to use QTabWidget, just modify the include, and class definition. They use the same API.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> elcuco: filed a bug on it?
[04:03] <elcuco> why? easier to ask for svn write acess and fix it myself :)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> got a patch for it, then?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's not in svn
[04:04] <elcuco> i need to know where the source is. is it python? can i edit it locally on my machine? or recompilation is needed?
[04:06] <manchicken> I believe it's C++...
[04:06] <manchicken> You could recompile it on your machine if you have a build environment.
[04:06] <elcuco> ok. apt-source... whats the application name?
[04:07] <manchicken> Just find the .desktop file and dpkg-query -S the file.
[04:07] <manchicken> That'll tell you what package it's in.
[04:07] <Jucato> kde-guidance modules are in Python afaik
[04:07] <Jucato> display module is displayconfig.py
[04:07] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:07] <manchicken> Showoff :P
[04:07] <manchicken> heh'
[04:07] <Jucato> heh
[04:07] <manchicken> what's goin' on jucato?
[04:08] <Jucato> I found that out a few months ago
[04:08] <Jucato> what's going on? trying to write a blog post that's one month overdue...
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[04:12] <Jucato> heheh
[04:12] <manchicken> We should call it (+ feisty 1)
[04:13] <manchicken> Reverse polish notation.  So nifty.
[04:13] <Jucato> lol
[04:13] <elcuco> yes, one line change, and it works pretty good.
[04:14] <manchicken> elcuco: Cool.  Make sure you submit it to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:23] <elcuco> ma, done
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[04:28] <elcuco> manchicken: ^^
[04:28] <manchicken> Brewtiful.
[04:28] <manchicken> Now find something else to fix ^_^
[04:28] <manchicken> I'm sure there're other RTL things that could be fixed.
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[04:35] <elcuco> crap, my message was rejected since i am not subscribed.
[04:35] <elcuco> manchicken: i need to translate the UI before i can know what new needs to be fixed.
[04:39] <manchicken> elcuco: It's not hard to subscribe, or if you email it to me I'll forward it on.
[04:39] <manchicken> manchicken@kubuntu.org
[04:40] <manchicken> Make sure you put your real name in the message so I can give you proper credit.
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[06:07] <manchicken> Oooh Riddell... where are you?
[06:18] <toma> fosdem?
[06:26] <nixternal> lol
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[07:09] <kishore__> Hi, i am running feisty and i am unable to pair any bluetooth phone
[07:10] <kishore__> is this a known issue? i could not find a recent entry
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[07:11] <manchicken> Check out #kubuntu+1 for that question.
[07:11] <manchicken> Or is that #ubuntu+1?
[07:12] <manchicken> Yeah, #ubuntu+1 is the feller.
[07:12] <kishore__> ok thanks
[07:12] <manchicken> Make sure you read the topic.
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[08:53] <jjesse> will shipit be sending out feisty cd's this time?  if i remember they don't send out edgy cds?
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[08:59] <manchicken> jjesse: They'll sell edgy CDs.
[08:59] <jjesse> but not ship for free?
[08:59] <manchicken> No, only LTS ships for free.
[08:59] <manchicken> IIRC
[08:59] <jjesse> will fiesty not ship for free then?
[09:00] <manchicken> It will when it gets to LTS status.
[09:00] <jjesse> huh???
[09:00] <manchicken> It seems like only LTS and older versions ship.
[09:00] <jjesse> feisty is the next long time support like dapper?
[09:00] <manchicken> No, Edgy is next.
[09:01] <manchicken> When the next stable release after Feisty makes it out, then Feisty will be LTS.
[09:01] <jjesse> i'm  sorry your are confusing me w/ LTS, i thought only dapper was long time support (being supported for 3 years on the desktop)
[09:01] <mhb> boys, you're confusing each other :o)
[09:02] <jjesse> ok mhb clarify it for me :)
[09:02] <mhb> Dapper = LTS ... other releases will be shipped to LoCo Team Leaders only (a few hundred CDs for each)
[09:02] <jjesse> that's what i thought
[09:03] <mhb> Shipit will ship the next LTS version, but AFAIK nobody's sure when that will be
[09:03] <manchicken> I was under the impression that Edgy will be moving into LTS once Feisty is out.
[09:03] <Lathiat> manchicken: no, that is incorrect
[09:03] <allee> manchicken: no
[09:03] <Lathiat> LTS releases are made every so oftne
[09:03] <Lathiat> dapper was the first
[09:03] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[09:03] <Lathiat> neither edgy or feisty will be LTD
[09:03] <Lathiat> *LTS
[09:03] <manchicken> Well Shipit will ship the lastest version for a fee IIRC.
[09:04] <jjesse> that's what i thought
[09:04] <jjesse> just trying to get things clarified for the kubuntu chpt
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[10:12] <HymnToLife> If there is a member of the Kubuntu.org staff arount here, the informations about adding the apt key were forgotten on that page : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
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[10:37] <_StefanS_> evening !
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: does that kde4 snapshot work for feisty as well ?
[10:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: nope
[10:38] <_StefanS_> bugger
[10:39] <_StefanS_> hmm would be fun to see how it performs..
[10:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: it's better to wait till someone packages it for feisty
[10:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: yea, or compile it yourself
[10:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: I actually already did that, but it seemed easier to just install some deb's
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[10:53] <ryanakca> hmm... how do I restore Kubuntu to it's default appearance?
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[10:53] <ryanakca> and... I'm asking in the wrong channel
[10:54] <_StefanS_> hmm I'm still having the debian kdm theme after I ran some updates, anyone else know how to fix this ? tried reinstalling kubuntu-default..settings
[10:59] <mhb> ryanakca: I usually delete some .kde directories et voila!
[10:59] <ryanakca> mhb: what .kde is the question 
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[11:01] <mhb> ryanakca: not sure
[11:02] <mhb> ryanakca: I usually have a second user just for that
[11:03] <ryanakca> hitting defaults in kcontrol gives me high contrast theme
[11:05] <ryanakca> fixed...
[11:05] <ryanakca> hmm... defaults in win decs doesn't do anything
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[11:18] <manchicken_> Riddell: You about?
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