[12:03] <Wrongway> E: Type 'restricted' is not known on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <Wrongway> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[12:04] <Xzenome> What did you do to get that eror?
[12:04] <Xzenome> *error
[12:04] <Wrongway> apt-get source ffmpeg
[12:05] <Xzenome> Oh, I see, restricted and multiverse have put themselves on new lines, put them on the same line as the line before them.
[12:07] <Wrongway> line wraps are bad?
[12:07] <Xzenome> I've fixed my modified version ( http://michael-m.co.uk/sources.list ), so if you replace it again.
[12:07] <Wrongway> alright
[12:07] <Xzenome> Wrongway, yes they are bad. I blame nano is seems to randomly wrap.
[12:07] <nalioth> stop
[12:08] <Xzenome> nalioth, what did I do wrong this time?
[12:08] <nalioth> after you update your sources.list, Wrongway you should type "sudo apt-get update" before doing anything else
[12:08] <Wrongway> k
[12:08] <Xzenome> but he should fix his sources.list first.
[12:10] <nalioth> Xzenome: right.
[12:11] <Xzenome> Wrongway, done it yet?
[12:11] <Wrongway> got the line7 thing again
[12:11] <Wrongway> so put the word restricted up a line
[12:12] <Wrongway> tried the update thing
[12:12] <Xzenome> go to the 7th line down and put it on the end of line 6.
[12:12] <nalioth> Xzenome: hold up a minute
[12:12] <nalioth> Wrongway: please open a console
[12:13] <nalioth> Wrongway: or go to your console
[12:13] <Wrongway> console=terminal...?
[12:13] <nalioth> Wrongway: yes
[12:13] <Wrongway> open
[12:13] <nalioth> console = terminal = shell
[12:13] <Wrongway> k
[12:13] <nalioth> in the console, type "cd /etc/apt/" <enter>
[12:13] <Wrongway> yup
[12:14] <nalioth> now type "sudo mv sources.list sources.list.bak" <enter>
[12:14] <Xzenome> nalioth, why does nano wrap like that?
[12:14] <Wrongway> backed up, gotcha
[12:14] <nalioth> nano sucks  :P
[12:14] <nalioth> Wrongway: now type "sudo wget http://michael-m.co.uk/sources.list" <enter>
[12:15] <Wrongway> done
[12:15] <Xzenome> now type "sudo apt-get update"
[12:15] <nalioth> Xzenome: hold up
[12:15] <Xzenome> sorry
[12:15] <nalioth> Wrongway: type "ls" <enter>
[12:16] <Wrongway> apt.conf     sources.list      sources.list.d     trusted.gpg
[12:16] <Wrongway> apt.conf.d   sources.list~     sources.list.save  trusted.gpg~
[12:16] <Wrongway> secring.gpg  sources.list.bak  trustdb.gpg
[12:16] <Wrongway> the two that are .d are in blue
[12:16] <nalioth> excellent
[12:16] <nalioth> carry on as Xzenome directs
[12:16] <Xzenome> now type "sudo apt-get update"
[12:17] <nalioth> Xzenome: i use aee as a console text editor, i find it much simpler than nano
[12:18] <Wrongway> had to edit the sources.list yet again to fix the wraps :P
[12:18] <Wrongway> but it's doing it this time at least
[12:18] <nalioth> hmm
[12:19] <Wrongway> did a whole bunch of stuff, ending with
[12:19] <Wrongway> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[12:19] <Wrongway> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:20] <nalioth> and if i may . . . .
[12:20] <nalioth> backports are evil.
[12:21] <Xzenome> Wrongway, now type "sudo apt-get build-dep ffmpeg" this will get all of the stuff that we'll need to compile/install ffmpeg
[12:21] <nalioth> also Wrongway if you edit the list again, do a find-and-replace and replace "universe" with "universe multiverse"
[12:21] <nalioth> after editing the sources.list, update your apt once more
[12:22] <nalioth> with multiverse you'll gain ~18,000 more apps to play with
[12:22] <Wrongway> nice
[12:22] <Wrongway> doing the build-dep thing
[12:22] <Xzenome> good
[12:23] <Xzenome> nalioth, is ffmpeg illegal in a libdecss way or just not FOSS
[12:25] <Xzenome> Wrongway, is it done yet?
[12:25] <Wrongway> 60%
[12:25] <nalioth> Xzenome: there are several closed source codecs that ffmpeg can use
[12:26] <Wrongway> oyeah, on a codec related matter, I've been frustrated with no audio on .mov's, which is what my digicam takes videos in
[12:26] <Wrongway> mplayer will now play the audio, but no other player can
[12:26] <Wrongway> not even vlc
[12:27] <Xzenome> Wrongway, they probably use a codec like mp3 which doesn't come with ubuntu out of the box.
[12:27] <Xzenome> Wrongway, I'm surprised VLC doesn't play it, it is normally so good but "mplayer pwns everything"
[12:28] <Wrongway> oyeah
[12:28] <Wrongway> is there any way to get vlc to play the audio?
[12:28] <nalioth> in my opinion, ubuntu mplayer needs to be recompiled by hand to bring it back to full function
[12:28] <Wrongway> btw, the build-dep thing is done now
[12:29] <nalioth> Wrongway: if vlc doesn't play the audio, there is probably no way to play it (currently)
[12:29] <Wrongway> damn
[12:29] <Xzenome> nalioth, I might make a crack at compiling mplayer with everything tommorow. I'll have a go at making it into a deb and I'll make it available on the net.
[12:30] <Xzenome> Wrongway, now type "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg" this should install ffmpeg
[12:31] <Wrongway> done
[12:31] <Xzenome> Now run this sudo apt-get install liblame-dev libfaad2-dev libfaac-dev libxvidcore4-dev liba52-0.7.4 liba52-0.7.4-dev libx264-dev
[12:32] <Xzenome> It will install a load of codecs
[12:32] <nalioth> Xzenome: what exactly are we attempting?
[12:32] <Wrongway> have done that before I came here
[12:32] <Xzenome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoEncoding apparently.
[12:33] <Xzenome> now, type "cd ~/" to get back to your home directory
[12:33] <Wrongway> k
[12:34] <Xzenome> Then do "apt-get source ffmpeg" so we can get the source code for ffmpeg
[12:34] <Wrongway> yay
[12:34] <Wrongway> k, that's done
[12:35] <Wrongway> following along the page now...
[12:35] <nalioth> Xzenome: just "cd" <enter> will also bring you home
[12:35] <Xzenome> now just follow on with the page and tell us about any errors
[12:36] <Xzenome> nalioth: that's two things I've learnt today.
[12:36] <nalioth> Xzenome: /msg ubotu cli
[12:37] <Xzenome> nalioth, I know most of that.
[12:39] <Xzenome> nalioth, what country are you in? (Off topic I know)
[12:40] <nalioth> Texas, USA
[12:40] <jrib> yeah texas is kind of like its own country
[12:41] <Wrongway> lol!
[12:41] <nalioth> hola, jrib
[12:42] <Xzenome> I'm in the UK, almost midnight. Jrib, I'd offer you another cup of something hot but I'm too lazy to get up.
[12:42] <jrib> Xzenome: it's ok, I'll just hit refresh
[12:42] <Xzenome> he he
[12:43] <Xzenome> (For those who don't know this stems from a cup of tea the I made for jrib yesterday and upload)
[12:44] <Xzenome> *uploaded
[12:44] <Xzenome> Wrongway, how's the install going?
[12:45] <Wrongway> copying the code into a file now
[12:45] <Xzenome> Good
[12:51] <Xzenome> Wrongway, where are you now?
[12:53] <Wrongway> testing
[12:53] <Wrongway> Usually that means that input file is truncated and/or corrupted.
[12:54] <Wrongway> likely cuz it's on an ntfs drive though, eh
[12:55] <Xzenome> I see
[12:56] <Wrongway> copied it to my other drive, and it seems to be working now
[12:56] <nalioth> ntfs .... ugh
[12:56] <Wrongway> lol
[12:57] <Wrongway> omg.... it's making a .mov file
[12:57] <Wrongway> do those work for ipods?
[12:57] <Wrongway> if so, then fine. I thought it was gonna be making .mp4's
[12:58] <Wrongway> gonna try to get and use thinliquidfilm anyways
[12:59] <Wrongway> but had to have the mucked-with ffmpeg for that anyways
[12:59] <Wrongway> thanks, eh
[01:00] <Xzenome> Wrongway, the iPod probably plays .mov's because it is Apple's format.
[01:01] <Wrongway> yeah, hopefully
[01:02] <nalioth>  .mov can be the same codec as .mp4
[01:02] <nalioth> so can .avi
[01:03] <nalioth> if the codec is the same, any of those file suffixes will work on a PC
[01:04] <Xzenome> nalioth, what is your name derived from?
[01:05] <nalioth> derived?
[01:05] <nalioth> oh, my nick
[01:06] <nalioth> it's a made up conjunction of two previous made up nicks
[01:08] <Xzenome> which were?
[01:09] <nalioth> prefer not to say
[01:11] <Wrongway> apt-get hypnotism
[01:11] <Wrongway> lol
[01:12] <Xzenome> You mean, sudo apt-get hypnotism
[01:13] <Wrongway> lol, yeah. I forgot simon says
[01:13] <Wrongway> http://xkcd.org/c149.html
[01:15] <Wrongway> found that pic and it got me hooked on that comicstrip
[01:16] <Xzenome> Yes, you just hooked me.
[01:16] <Wrongway> lol, excellent
[01:17] <Wrongway> oyeah, I updated the sources.list by adding multiverse in the appropriate spots
[01:18] <Wrongway> what am I supposed to do after that?
[01:18] <nalioth> Wrongway: enjoy ~28,000 programs
 after editing the sources.list, update your apt once more
[01:20] <Xzenome> type "sudo apt-get update"
[01:20] <Wrongway> k
[01:20] <Wrongway> ty
[10:45] <Xzenome> Hi
[10:45] <researchsci> Hello
[10:45] <Xzenome> So, what brand of wireless card do you use?
[10:45] <researchsci> it's a built in to my laptop, can't remember though
[10:45] <Xzenome> Ok
[10:46] <researchsci> it shows up on my network connections list, but i can't config it right
[10:46] <Xzenome> Go into System>Administration>Networking and tell me what the names of the devices are.
[10:46] <researchsci> Wireless connection (wmaster0)
[10:46] <researchsci> Wireless connection (wlan0)
[10:46] <researchsci> wired connection
[10:46] <Xzenome> Which ones of them are enabled?
[10:46] <researchsci> those are the ones, i'm currently using wired
[10:47] <researchsci> i have wmaster0 and wired conneciton enabled
[10:47] <Xzenome> I have wlan enabled, I don't know about wmaster so try wlan0
[10:47] <researchsci> okay
[10:48] <researchsci> how should i have it set up, i want it to scan for ssids
[10:48] <researchsci> i'm trying to put in the settings
[10:49] <researchsci> just not sure
[10:49] <Xzenome> researchsci, do you know the ssid for your network?
[10:49] <researchsci> just a sec, i'm looking for it
[10:49] <researchsci> yeah, i dod the ssid and everything now
[10:50] <researchsci> are ssid and essid the same thing?
[10:50] <Xzenome> researcsci, yes I think so.
[10:50] <researchsci> okay
[10:50] <researchsci> thnx much
[10:50] <Xzenome> Does it work/
[10:50] <researchsci> i'm setting it up now
[10:50] <Xzenome> Ok
[10:51] <researchsci> i'm activating the network interface now
[10:51] <researchsci> how do i know it works, beside turning off my wired connection?
[10:52] <Xzenome> I think you just have to stop your wired connection. Sorry.
[10:52] <researchsci> okay, well if i drop off you'll know why. here goes nothing
[10:52] <Xzenome> Ok
[10:53] <researchsci> can you still hear me?
[10:53] <researchsci> i mean read me?
[10:53] <researchsci> didn't work
[10:53] <Xzenome> yes
[10:53] <Xzenome> I can hear you.
[10:54] <researchsci> huh, my browser still didn't work
[10:54] <Xzenome> What did you put a the network password? Was it something like 6F133A....?
[10:55] <researchsci> it was my wep key
[10:55] <Xzenome> But the above format not something like salt53?
[10:56] <researchsci> what? i don't understand your question.... my wep key is 9784......
[10:56] <researchsci> just numeric
[10:57] <Xzenome> Try disabling the wired connection, then enabling wlan0. Wait for about a minute to make sure that the wireless has started then test it in the browser. Your WEP key is fine.
[10:57] <researchsci> okay
[10:57] <researchsci> i'll brb then
[10:57] <Xzenome> k
[11:00] <researchsci> it's still not cooperating, I'll be back in about half an hour if you'd be still willing to help then
[11:00] <researchsci> i have to help my fiance with something
[11:00] <Xzenome> I'll help if i'm still here
[11:15] <researchsci> you there Xzenome?
[11:15] <Xzenome> Oui
[11:16] <Xzenome> S'up?
[11:16] <researchsci> k, i'm back
[11:16] <researchsci> so, ne other ideas?
[11:17] <Xzenome> Hmm, I'm going to go take a look a the ubuntu documentation and see if I can see anything relevant.
[11:17] <researchsci> because at one time when i had ubuntu on this laptop (an older version) i could detect wireless networkds
[11:17] <Xzenome> What version of Ubuntu?
[11:17] <researchsci> breezy badger?
[11:17] <researchsci> i thnk that's what it was
[11:18] <Xzenome> Because you could install that and then upgrade from that using update-manager, that way you'd still have wireless support.
[11:18] <Xzenome> !wireless
[11:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:19] <researchsci> huh, this is terribly frustrating
[11:19] <researchsci>  /msg nickserv set email called4more@yahoo.com
[11:19] <researchsci> i don't know why it doesn't work
[11:20] <researchsci> and since it's a laptop, i have to have wifi access on it
[11:21] <Xzenome> I know the feeling. I've stopped using Linux about 5 times because it didn't work flawlessly but I've got it working well this time.
[11:21] <researchsci> yeah
[11:21] <researchsci> because i kind of have to have it for the research I'm doing
[11:22] <researchsci> and my gaming computer (desktop) will be staying windows until i decide to choke over the cash for crossover
[11:22] <Xzenome> I suggest you do "sudo apt-get install kwifimanger" it seems to be better than the one built in. You can launch it by typing kwifimanager.
[11:22] <researchsci> okay
[11:24] <researchsci> now it says that there are no access points available, while i'm sitting by one
[11:24] <Xzenome> Oh. That is disappointing.
[11:24] <researchsci> i wish it would just work
[11:25] <researchsci> this is where my question lies
[11:25] <researchsci> is there any way to just scan for networks without putting any info in under the network connections portion?
[11:26] <researchsci> errr networking
[11:26] <researchsci> (windows name, that's gonna take a while to get used to)
[11:26] <Xzenome> I didn't have to put anything in for kwifimanger
[11:27] <researchsci> okay
[11:27] <researchsci> i'll retry it then
[11:28] <researchsci> it keeps just saying it doesn't work
[11:28] <Xzenome> Make sure that the device is already enabled in the networking dialogue
[11:28] <researchsci> okay
[11:29] <researchsci> it says that it's not configured, but here is the question in regards to that, why can't these tools just allow me to scan for networks, then put in the wep key for the one I choose
[11:30] <Xzenome> In the networking dialogue it allowed me to select when I set it up. IT seems that Ubuntu doesn't really like your card. I think your best bet would be to ask on ubuntuforums.org.
[11:31] <researchsci> okay, i think it may be an atheros card
[11:31] <researchsci> brb
[11:32] <Xzenome> This page may help, but I couldn't find anything helpful looking: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:32] <Xzenome> I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[11:36] <researchsci> okay
[11:36] <researchsci> ohhh i just found my exact card
[11:36] <researchsci> i feel dumb
[11:36] <researchsci> gigabyt gn-WI01GS
[11:36] <researchsci> *gigabyte
[11:37] <Xzenome> Good
[11:37] <researchsci> that helpful?
[11:37] <Xzenome> It isn't mentioned in the docs.
[11:37] <researchsci> dangit
[11:38] <researchsci> and they only have windows drivers on there site
[11:38] <Xzenome> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-203709.html
[11:39] <researchsci> there isn't anything about my card on there
[11:40] <Xzenome> type  lspci | grep "RaLink", what output do you get.
[11:42] <researchsci> how do i get the straight line to show up
[11:42] <Xzenome> It is above one of the slashes. So use the shift key.
[11:42] <researchsci> okay
[11:43] <researchsci> no output it just returns the command
[11:43] <Xzenome> Ok, that proves that that topic I found is useless.
[11:43] <researchsci> sorry
[11:43] <Xzenome> Are you using a Thinkpad?
[11:44] <researchsci> no, it's made by a company called "Ibuypower"
[11:45] <researchsci> and I'm running 32bit Ubuntu, not 64
[11:45] <Xzenome> Oh. I think your best be is asking on UbuntuForums.org
[11:45] <researchsci> okay, I'll do that
[11:45] <researchsci> one more question
[11:45] <Xzenome> sure
[11:45] <researchsci> how do i tell if i installed wine
[11:45] <researchsci> i tried to but i can't find it
[11:45] <Xzenome> type "wine --version"
[11:46] <researchsci> k
[11:46] <researchsci> output is "wine-0.9.31"
[11:47] <researchsci> so, that' means i have wine installed?
[11:47] <Xzenome> Wine is installed. So to run a windows program you do "wine path-to-windows-executable-here". Wine is installed
[11:48] <researchsci> okay
[11:48] <researchsci> i'm gonna try to run WoW later this evening
[11:49] <researchsci> i bet that's gonna be interesting.......but I'm sure there is plenty of documentation to do it
[11:50] <Xzenome> I've heard it works with Cedega
[11:51] <Xzenome> This gives details and should help you: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=6482
[11:51] <researchsci> cedega costs money though, right?
[11:51] <Xzenome> Yes I
[11:52] <researchsci> have you ever used it?
[11:52] <Xzenome> Yes it does, but Wine is catching up with it now. It uses code taken from Wine when it was BSD licensed rather than GPL'd
[11:52] <Xzenome> researchsci, wine yes, cedega no/
[11:54] <researchsci> Well thanks for all the help
[11:55] <researchsci> i'm sure I'll be back soon, as I'm new to this
[11:55] <Xzenome> Ok. No problem.