[12:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: not that I know of
[12:16] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'm open to suggestions
[12:16] <LaserJock> not sure if LP is
[12:17] <Fujitsu> I really think we need a copy of the data like ajmitch is able to get. LDAP and XML-RPC should be approximately equal in their impracticality for use on a large scale, no?
[12:19] <ajmitch> not necessarily, if there's a good way of doing complex queries
[12:19] <ajmitch> though it could be useful to have the data
[12:20] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure the LP people would like a number of people making enormous numbers of XML-RPC queries regularly, really. Considering what was done to my 24-query-per-day bot.
[12:24] <StevenK> Fujitsu: It got neutered?
[12:25] <ajmitch> cut off at the knees
[12:25] <StevenK> Hrm. That's a little more brutal.
[12:25] <Fujitsu> StevenK, ha. ha.
[12:25] <geser> ScottK: uploaded kdissert
[12:25] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Gee, bitter much?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Aha.. I'll run it on the other IP assigned to that box.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> StevenK, course not.
[12:27] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: was this for motu-science bugs?
[12:27] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Yes.
[12:33] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I'll talk to kiko about that, that just seems weird
[12:33] <LaserJock> and since it's MOTU Science I have a stake in it ;-)
[12:33] <Fujitsu> It says to talk to static, and I've pinged him.
[12:33] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> It's up and running again now, anyway. I'm glad that box has two IPs.
[12:40] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, but that's going to be a serious issue if we need to screen-scrape a bunch of stuff
[12:42] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, screenscraping isn't an option. It's simply too inefficienty.
[12:42] <LaserJock> no, but in the mean time that's what we've got
[12:42] <LaserJock> and if we get shut down from even doing what we've got it's an  issue
[12:43] <Fujitsu> True.
[12:45] <crimsun> geser: xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting 1.7.2.git20070210-1 is /much/ better than feisty's current version.
[12:46] <ajmitch> how much better?
[12:46] <Fujitsu> crimsun: Is there a package of it available somewhere?
[12:46] <geser> crimsun: have you a deb for i386 lying around somewhere?
[12:46] <crimsun> tiber.tauware.de:/var/cache/pbuilder/result//xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting_1.7.2.git20070210-1_i386.deb
[12:47] <crimsun> let me move that
[12:48] <crimsun> geser: http://tiber.tauware.de/~crimsun/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting_1.7.2.git20070210-1_i386.deb
[12:49] <crimsun> ajmitch: simultaneous output to CRT and LFP w/ dri enabled and no tweaking of xorg.conf required to use CRT's modes
[12:49] <ajmitch> useful
[12:49] <ajmitch> since I've got a spare monitor sitting here
[12:51] <geser> crimsun: thanks
[12:51] <crimsun> np
[12:52] <ajmitch> does it need anything else special, like an unuploaded xserver?
[12:52] <crimsun> nope
[12:52] <ajmitch> ok, good
[12:52] <ajmitch> I'll dist-upgrade anyway, this laptop is about 3 weeks behind
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: for?
[12:53] <ajmitch> 12:51 < ajmitch> I'll dist-upgrade anyway, this laptop is about 3 weeks behind
[12:54] <ajmitch> Need to get 58.2MB/298MB of archives. After unpacking 3445kB will be used.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> ah right
[02:00] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> hey
[02:02] <sistpoty> hi tonyyarusso
[02:07] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: we can't downgrade supertux... my girlfriend will kill me if we do *g*
[02:07] <LaserJock> how do I tell a shell script that variable is a int?
[02:07] <TheMuso> LaserJock: There is no typesetting in shell scripts./
[02:07] <TheMuso> So you can simply do Variable=1
[02:07] <TheMuso> or whatever
[02:07] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty :)
[02:08] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[02:10] <LaserJock> TheMuso: really? my shell script complains
[02:10] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What are you trying to do with the variable/
[02:11] <LaserJock> hehe, I just put it in the wrong place, nvm me
[02:13] <LaserJock> TheMuso: I'm trying to do a variable=variable+number
[02:13] <LaserJock> just to add up numbers
[02:13] <LaserJock> I wouldn't have thought addition would be too hard, but my brain isn't work too well
[02:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: imo adding numbers is a bashism iirc
[02:14] <LaserJock> but it works?
[02:14] <sistpoty> in bash it does
[02:15] <LaserJock> maybe I should have just used python
[02:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> What does it mean in debian/rules if something is in parentheses?  I have "(cd mozilla && for i in ../debian/patches/* ; do patch -p0 < $$i ; done)", and thought it interesting that it never does cd ..
[02:16] <LaserJock> I just want to add up the file size of a bunch of files
[02:17] <Toadstool> LaserJock: you can use `expr $a + $b`
[02:17] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: it will start a subshell and execute the commands within (..) in this subshell
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: ah, thanks
[02:17] <sistpoty> np
[02:21] <LaserJock> Toadstool: expr 1+1 gives me 1+1 not 2
[02:22] <LaserJock> Toadstool: oops need spaces
[02:27] <LaserJock> nick Laser_away
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> I think I found my error?  Report in half an hour or so :)
[02:41] <jabra> anyone know why there is no libtcl-perl
[02:41] <jabra> or libtcl8.4-perl
[02:44] <sistpoty> interesting... dholbach is not a member of ubuntu-dev
[02:44] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, how's that strange?
[02:45] <sistpoty> well... it's just interesting ;)
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Are you preparing for the Great Inactive MOTU Purge?
[02:46] <Fujitsu> I'll take that as a yes :P
[02:46] <Fujitsu> So ubuntu-dev will just have ubuntu-core-dev and motu as members?
[02:46] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: right... and thus I'm just aligning motu to ubuntu-dev
[02:46] <Fujitsu> Good idea.
[02:46] <sistpoty> which is a pretty boring job 
[02:46] <Fujitsu> I can imagine.
[02:47] <Fujitsu> It'll be nice to have the list reduced to active people, rather than having all these people who haven't touched anything in a year.
[02:47] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: well, that's a different task I'm currently not following... 
[02:48] <Fujitsu> But it is another task that mdz suggested, I didn't mean that you were doing it :)
[02:48] <sistpoty> Fujitsu: ajmitch, dholbach and gpocentek will tackle this
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Indeed, I just read the minutes of the meeting.
[02:48] <sistpoty> :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> Good to see the council up and running, making decisions :)
[02:51] <sistpoty> yay, finally :)
[02:51] <Fujitsu> I never thought I'd see the day when we had a good decision-making structure.
[02:57] <ajmitch> we do? :)
[02:58] <Fujitsu> Pardon, ajmitch?
[02:58] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I'm in -core-dev, so I'd have implicit -dev membership
[02:58] <Fujitsu> Lathiat: Because you're an admin of motu?
[02:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch: then do it now... would safe me work :P
[02:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, true. But you're more a motu.
[02:59] <Lathiat> yeh its spamming me about all the member changes
[02:59] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, no... I'm through A already :)
[02:59] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sad to say
[02:59] <sistpoty> Lathiat: blame me
[02:59] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:01] <ajmitch> sigh, I have email coming through again, but I wonder if I lost the mail that was queued
[03:01] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Sounds inconvenient.
[03:01] <ajmitch> quite
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> I have a somewhat odd thing that I need to do, and I'm not sure how to go about it.  There's some naming nonsense in the package I'm doing, so what I want is to have installing the package do 'ln -s /usr/bin/name1 /usr/bin/name2' (needs root priv, btw).  I tried putting that in debian/packagename.postinst, but that results in the following when building the .deb:
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> cp: `debian/kompozer//usr/bin/nvu' and `debian/kompozer//usr/bin/nvu' are the same file
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> I need it to copy the existence of a symlink, not the file it points to.
[03:53] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: maybe  cp --no-dereference
[03:53] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: maybe you also want to create the symlink during build time (so that it's part of the package), so you could use dh_link
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Could well be (cp's man isn't very explanatory about what those mean...).  However, the cp is being called by dh_install, not stated explicitly, so I have no idea how to pass that switch.
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> Ah, didn't know there was a dh_link - that might make more sense hopefully.
[03:54] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: but dh_install won't put things in the postinst, would it?
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:56] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:56] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I think the postinst is done prior to that...not sure.  dh_link's man suggests that it could be the ticket anyway.
[03:56] <ajmitch> yay, more ignorant reporting on osnews.com
[03:56] <ajmitch> hi bddebian 
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:57] <ajmitch> stating that there are 541 RC bugs holding back debian etch
[03:57] <ajmitch> conveniently ignoring that *many* of these will be on packages not in etch, or tagged etch-ignore
[03:58] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:59] <sistpoty> any new insider infos when it will be released?
[03:59] <sistpoty> or rumors? *G*
[04:00] <ajmitch> I don't know, should we run bets on whether feisty will release first? ;)
[04:00] <ajmitch> since it'll be a few weeks after the last kernel upload
[04:00] <sistpoty> *g*
[04:01] <ajmitch> since they still need the new kernel (still0, d-i RC2 for installation testing, and then a few weeks extra
[04:03] <pochu> ajmitch: if you have a moment, could you take a look at bug 86318? thanks in advance :)
[04:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86318 in gajim "Version 0.11.1 of Gajim has been released. Please update" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[04:03] <ajmitch> uh, why me? :)
[04:03] <pochu> ajmitch: because you are a motu-uvf member ;)
[04:04] <pochu> ajmitch: do we still need 2 oks, or with one is enough? because daniel approved it...
[04:08] <LaserJock> sistpoty: shy did you deactivate zul?
[04:08] <LaserJock> *why
[04:11] <ajmitch> pochu: 1 extra ok is enough
[04:12] <pochu> ajmitch: so what do you think? :)
[04:12] <bddebian> Yeah, why didn't you de-activate me? :-)
[04:13] <ajmitch> pochu: I added my ok to it
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: because you're special
[04:13] <pochu> ajmitch: that's fine :)
[04:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: probably because zul_ identifies as core dev ;)
[04:13] <pochu> ajmitch: could you also upload it? ^_^
[04:13] <ajmitch> that's asking a lot
[04:14] <bddebian> heh
[04:14] <ajmitch> what's with the broken debdiff?
[04:14] <ajmitch> new upstream release, but no new upstream code there
[04:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sorry, was afk for a moment
[04:14] <sistpoty> LaserJock: because he isn't a member of ubuntu-dev
[04:15] <ajmitch> pochu: if you want it updated, please provide the appropriate orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz & .dsc
[04:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: Then can you review wxwidgets2.8 and libphp-jpgraph? :-)
[04:15] <pochu> ajmitch: give me a second :)
[04:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: hah
[04:16] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:16] <ajmitch> wxwidgets2.8 is not a small change
[04:17] <ajmitch> it's a big, ugly library
[04:17] <bddebian> No shix :-)
[04:18] <ajmitch> and the debian maintainer is adamant about keeping it a native package
[04:19] <ajmitch> and will probably descend on your house seeking vengeance
[04:20] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:21] <ajmitch> I see you've kept versioned python deps in there
[04:21] <ajmitch> +Suggests: wx2.8-doc, wx2.8-examples, python2.5-xml
[04:21] <ajmitch> python2.5-xml doesn't exist
[04:21] <bddebian> I know that's part of that stupid control.in crap
[04:22] <bddebian>  python=V-xml
[04:22] <ajmitch> get in & cleanup
[04:23] <ajmitch> if you knew there were still issues, why ask me? :)
[04:23] <bddebian> And if he is upstream and maintainer why the hell isn't 2.8 in Debian yet?
[04:24] <ajmitch> because he's... interesting
[04:24] <bddebian> I forgot about that one.  I had it fixed before I realized I had to use the control.in
[04:24] <bddebian> I almost disabled that stuff
[04:24] <ajmitch> and libphp-jgraph is a new package?
[04:25] <bddebian> Not sure.  We have 1.x in the archive but it's PHP4 only.  This is 2.x which supports PHP5
[04:25] <ajmitch> I see I typed it wrong
[04:26] <sistpoty> I guess it might make sense to grant a general uvf-exception for the remaining php4 packages
[04:26] <ajmitch> ah yes, QPL
[04:26] <bddebian> Yeah :-(
[04:26] <ajmitch> this is why debian bug 281535 is tagged wontfix
[04:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 281535 in libphp-jpgraph "libphp-jpgraph: New upstream release" [Wishlist,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/281535
[04:28] <ajmitch> I'd say there's a very good chance this wouldn't be allowed in universe
[04:29] <ajmitch> but I can't say for sure
[04:30] <ajmitch> they confuse things a lot with using commercial vs open source
[04:32] <bddebian> But doesn't QPL.txt say it's freely re-distributable?
[04:32] <ajmitch> but README says that the QPL doesn't apply for commercial use
[04:33] <ajmitch> even though it says 'open source use'
[04:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:33] <bddebian> What makes it "Commercial Use" ?
[04:33] <ajmitch> at least the debian maintainer is of the opinion that this is not free software
[04:33] <ajmitch> which you clearly saw in debian/copyright, since you added stuff in there
[04:34] <bddebian> yep
[04:34] <bddebian> Isn't it the same license as libqt?
[04:34] <ajmitch> no
[04:34] <ajmitch> it states that the QPL applies under certain circumstances
[04:34] <sistpoty> does it have rdepends? is it popular? if not, I'd opt to devote the new version to multiverse and be happy
[04:35] <bddebian> sistpoty: A few
[04:35] <bddebian> tutos2
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> QPL?  which one is that?
[04:35] <bddebian> Oh and gforge-web-apache
[04:36] <ajmitch> gforge-web-apache Recommends: libphp-jpgraph
[04:36] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:37] <ajmitch> besides, you'd need to make sure that you don't break reverse depends by introducing a new version
[04:40] <pochu> done :) can anybody upload it? bug 86318. Thanks motu people! :-)
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86318 in gajim "Version 0.11.1 of Gajim has been released. Please update" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[04:40] <bddebian> Well, I was just trying to "help"
[04:47] <nixternal> how do we have sun-java6-bin when java.com only has java5?
[04:49] <sistpoty> we're modern?
[04:49] <sistpoty> *g+
[04:49] <pochu> nixternal: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/
[04:50] <nixternal> ya, just seen that
[04:50] <nixternal> yay debconf
[04:50] <pochu> ajmitch: could you take a look at the gajim upload? I've uploaded what you requested :)
[05:14] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I don't think dh_link worked...something's weird here.
[05:15] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: what exactly do you want to achieve?
[05:16] <tritium> Wow, lots of launchpad email :)
[05:16] <tritium> heh
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I want to have symlinks in /usr/bin such that /usr/bin/name2 points at /usr/bin/name1, with name1 being what would normally be installed by the package.
[05:21] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: and name1 is not a symlink, right?
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: correct.  name1 is an actual binary.
[05:22] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: then dh_link should actually do it's job... let me look at an example....
[05:23] <LaserJock> hmm, did synaptic move again?
[05:23] <pochu> I'm going off to bed :) If you can sponsor my upload of gajim (bug 86318), I would really appreciate it! Good night MOTUs!
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86318 in gajim "Version 0.11.1 of Gajim has been released. Please update" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[05:26] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: yep, works for me:
[05:26] <sistpoty> >> cat min12xxw.links
[05:26] <sistpoty> /usr/bin/min12xxw /usr/bin/linktomin12xxw
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: and you got no cp errors building with that?
[05:26] <LaserJock> what the heck is Ubuntu Ultimate?
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Ubuntu + bad codecs, I think
[05:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: knockoff distro with automatix, lots of codecs, etc
[05:27] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: I just apt-get source'd min12xxw and put debian/min12xxw.links in there, that did the trick.
[05:27] <pirothezero> yo i just had a quick question, this is the place to have some software added to the repos right? If i have something that I want sent out i find someone who can upload it and each time i update/added support i give them the new binaries?
[05:27] <LaserJock> they need another one?
[05:27] <ajmitch> "Automatix 2 & Automatix Bleeder (in case you want additional software)"
[05:27] <ajmitch> http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/index.html
[05:27] <LaserJock> pirothezero: we deal with source packages
[05:28] <LaserJock> pirothezero: you can request a package
[05:28] <pirothezero> ah ok 
[05:28] <sistpoty> or even better put a source package to revu
[05:28] <LaserJock> or you can learn to package and contribute a package yoursel
[05:28] <LaserJock> f
[05:28] <pirothezero> all that info in the links int eh motd?
[05:29] <sistpoty> !revu
[05:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't worry, they promise an "ubuntu ultimate gamers edition" as well :)
[05:29] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[05:29] <sistpoty> !contribute
[05:29] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[05:29] <pirothezero> thanks
[05:29] <sistpoty> np
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: one of the weird things is that the error is happening during dh_install, NOT dh_link, and I _think_ dh_link runs after dh_install.
[05:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I just got an email reply to my FF email asking where to download it :-)
[05:30] <ajmitch> haha
[05:30] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: are you sure you have only non-links in your .install files?
[05:30] <ajmitch> sistpoty: what do you think of getting wxwidgets2.8 in?
[05:31] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I wouldn't want to transition packages to it yet, but I don't see a reason to not get it in
[05:31] <sistpoty> well... does wxwidgets2.4 still have rdepends?
[05:32] <ajmitch> yes
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Yeah.  Without out my linking attempts, it creates /usr/bin/nvu and /usr/bin/nvu-config.  I want /usr/bin/kompozer and /usr/bin/kompozer-config pointing at those.  My kompozer.links is "usr/bin/nvu usr/bin/kompozer" and "usr/bin/nvu-config usr/bin/kompozer-config" on the two lines.
[05:32] <ajmitch> so we'd have 3 versions of the same libs 
[05:32] <sistpoty> yep :/
[05:33] <ajmitch> and we'll have to deal with the merge (which won't be clean) for feisty+1
[05:33] <LaserJock> the most notable one I see is audacity
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: that should be right, correct?
[05:33] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: yes, that should be right
[05:34] <sistpoty> well, I'm really undecided on wx2.8
[05:35] <LaserJock> I think it's kinda nice to get something in quick before we actually plan on transitioning
[05:35] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: have you tried DH_VERBOSE=1 in debian/rules? might give you a clue what's actually going on for dh_install/dh_link
[05:36] <sistpoty> (export DH_VERBOSE=1 even)
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I'll try that.
[05:37] <sistpoty> imo 2.4 is really outdated, so I guess we should first try to transition the remaining 2.4 stuff to 2.6 and then decide wether we want 2.8... what do you think?
[05:44] <LaserJock> sistpoty: but it wouldn't hurt to throw 2.8 into Universe would it?
[05:44] <bddebian> Mez!!
[05:46] <Mez> bddebian, 
[05:46] <crimsun> is 2.8 in shape worth supporting for 18 months?
[05:46] <sistpoty> ?
[05:46] <crimsun> i.e., /can/ we support it for 18 months?
[05:47] <sistpoty> iirc wxwidgets with even version numbers were quite stable and supported from upstream, right bddebian?
[05:48] <crimsun> yes
[05:48] <bddebian> Supposedly but what do I know? :)
[05:48] <tonyyarusso> Does anybody know how to pass switches to cp when it's being run as a sub-process of dh_install?
[05:48] <sistpoty> so I tend a little bit to get rid of 2.4 and have 2.8 once thats done
[05:50] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: no, you can't, at least that's what I get from looking at dh_install (and I particularily don't speak perl)
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: I can't mimic the behaviour either - using cp in all kinds of configurations on its own does it just fine.
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> this is so odd...
[05:53] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: got some build log on a pastebin?
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: no.  when this one, which is being run verbose, is done maybe I will
[05:54] <sistpoty> ok, I'll take a look then
[05:56] <sistpoty> hm... been thinking again, maybe it might make sense to throw in 2.8 now and then transition 2.4 stuff to 2.6... that way we'd have more time to react on 2.8 bugs. however I still can't say I'm 100% decided ;)
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: This is the relevant part:
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> dh_install --sourcedir=debian/kompozer cp -a debian/kompozer//usr/bin/nvu debian/kompozer//usr/bin/
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> cp: `debian/kompozer//usr/bin/nvu' and `debian/kompozer//usr/bin/nvu' are the same file
[06:01] <tonyyarusso> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[06:01] <LaserJock> siretart: that's what I was thinking, but I don't know either
[06:01] <LaserJock> crimsun's got a point about supporting it for 18 months
[06:01] <LaserJock> !info packaging-guide
[06:01] <ubotu> Package packaging-guide does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[06:01] <LaserJock> !info packaging-guide feisty
[06:02] <ubotu> Package packaging-guide does not exist in feisty
[06:02] <LaserJock> :(
[06:02] <LaserJock> but it's there
[06:03] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: how do your install files look like?
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> usr/bin/*
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> usr/lib/kompozer/*
[06:03] <crimsun> why are you passing that "cp -a ..." stuff?
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: dh_install is doing that, I believe.
[06:04] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: do you have the complete log somewhere? or the source package? might be easier to look at it than to make blind guesses ;)
[06:05] <sistpoty> LaserJock: well, I'd rather have to support 2.8 than 2.4 for another 18 month... 
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: putting the entire source package up takes a long, long time.  I can get you debian/ reasonably easily though.
[06:06] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: would be a start, though I won't promise that I get the whole picture then ;)
[06:06] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: and maybe the complete build log? *g*
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: They'll be showing up on http://www.tonyyarusso.com/files/ shortly.
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: where is that log?
[06:09] <crimsun> you'd pass that via --logfile foo.txt
[06:09] <crimsun> [presuming pbuilder] 
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: And if I didn't ?
[06:10] <crimsun> it would be a good idea to use it? :)
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> crud..lol
[06:12] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: you've got install and kompozer.install in debian?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: No.  Must have forgotten to delete that from the web upload?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: where do you see that?
[06:14] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: just did a dget on the dsc in your web directory
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: and in it found?
[06:16] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: I'm just testbuilding... but I guess I've found it
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> tell me what you think you know, b/c I'm still lost.
[06:17] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: if I'm correct, dh_install will copy files from debian/tmp to debian/<packagename>, so passing it --sourcedir debian/<packagename> seems like a bad idea
[06:18] <sistpoty> however that behaviour changed during debhelper compatibility versions and I'm not 100% sure about what's going on there now ;)
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Could be.  I got the --sourcedir thing out of a rules file meant for Edgy.
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Should I try with just 'dh_install', not 'dh_install --sourcedir debian/kompozer' then?
[06:20] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: I changed make DESTDIR=... as well as droppoing --sourcedir, but it's still building for me
[06:20] <sistpoty> (to DESTDIR=debian/tmp)
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Completely?  Mine builds fine mostly and doesn't error out until the very end.
[06:21] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: no, it's still compiling, so I can't say if there are errors yet ;)
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> ah, ok.
[06:23] <bddebian> w00t :-)
[06:24] <ScottK> ?
[06:28] <bddebian> ScottK: I'm a fellow smoker ;-P
[06:31] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:38] <sistpoty> oh, nice... now it bailed out with a different reason. looks, like it's install stuff to debian/tmp/kompozer instead of debian/tmp
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> iiiinnteresting
[06:39] <ScottK> Apparently a change will do a better job of fixing the problem (and actually show up in the debdiff) if you remember to apply the change to the source file in question...
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> lol
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> but I thought changelog was magic, and as soon as you described the change it wrote all the code for you..
[06:43] <ScottK> It's even worse in my case.  I'm backporting a fix from a newer release so I just have to copy/paste and I forgot to do that...
[06:43] <ScottK> Made for a very compact debdiff.
[06:43] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: no, for this dpkg would need to be linked against libjustdoit, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00004.html
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> lol
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> nooooooooo
[06:46] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Did you get "dh_install: kompozer missing files (usr/bin/*), aborting"
[06:46] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: yep
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: Did you have it with or without dh_link running?
[06:48] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: without, since it's called later
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> right
[06:48] <tonyyarusso> well crud
[06:49] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: I'm just having another run...
[06:49] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: in case I won't have succes, s.th. that you can do is to install the build dependencies, and do a make -f debian/rules on your machine
[06:50] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: that way you can see the exact state of what gets installed where at the moment it breaks
[06:50] <tonyyarusso> sistpoty: ah, cool
[06:50] <sistpoty> make -f debian/rules binary even
[06:53] <StevenK> Or just 'debian/rules binary'
[06:54] <bddebian> or dpkg-buildpackage -us -nc :-)
[06:54] <StevenK> debian/rules binary is shorter. :-P
[06:54] <sistpoty> hehe
[06:55] <StevenK> bddebian: Oh, please test your uploads before uploading them. I just spent most of last night sorting out the mess cyrus-imapd-2.2 had gotten into.
[06:55] <bddebian> ??
[06:56] <StevenK> bddebian: It's set to be compiled against libdb 4.3, but due to upstream stupidity, it links against libdb4.4
[06:56] <StevenK> bddebian: Trying to run one the servers in a chroot would have told you that it was broken very quickly.
[06:57] <ScottK> Bug #87489 has a fix ready for upload if anyone is interested...
[06:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87489 in pypolicyd-spf "Processing to skip localhost for SPF checks does not work for IPv6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87489
[06:57] <sistpoty> tonyyarusso: sorry, still no success for me
[06:58] <sistpoty> however dawn is breaking and I really should be in bed now.
[06:58] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[07:00] <bddebian> Me too, gnight gang
[07:03] <StevenK> ScottK: Looking now.
[07:03] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.
[07:11] <StevenK> ScottK: Looks great, uploading now.
[07:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:19] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[07:20] <ScottK> On?
[07:22] <LaserJock> umm, planet
[07:26] <ScottK> Not this one then, I assume...
[07:27] <ScottK> If two different Ubuntu packages provide Python modules that have the same python module name, is there a standard answer on how to deal with it?  Is it update alternatives?
[07:27] <ScottK> They're modules that one might want to have both installed, but I don't see how...
[07:30] <LaserJock> ScottK: they do the same thing?
[07:30] <LaserJock> or just happen to have the same name
[07:30] <ScottK> They're both sql libraries, but for different version of sql
[07:34] <ScottK> The relevant bugs are bug #86552 and bug #87493
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86552 in python-sqlite "[apport]  package python-sqlite failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86552
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87493 in python-pysqlite2 "Conflicts with python-sqlite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87493
[07:34] <ScottK> Both are in Main, but if it was easy, I thought I might provide a patch (I helped someone figure this out in #ubuntu+1 last night).
[07:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: Any suggestions?
[07:40] <LaserJock> hmm, not really
[07:40] <LaserJock> can you put the 2 version in a different place?
[07:40] <minghua> rename the module with version number and make a symlink to the unversioned module?
[07:41] <ScottK> minghua: That's similar to what update-alternatives would do.
[07:42] <ScottK> If it was just single files, I could figure it, but with Python modules I'm not sure about all the other magic that happens behind the scenes during install.
[07:42] <minghua> ScottK: sorry, neither do I (know the python magic stuff)
[07:43] <ScottK> No problem.  At the very least if they conflict at least people will get a sensible error message.
[07:47] <minghua> yeah, making them conflict with each other until someone complains sounds a good solution with minimal effort
[07:48] <LaserJock> hmm, can we even downgrade supertux if we wanted to?
[07:49] <ScottK> You could just leave it and call a new package supertux-stable (although I really don't understand the fuss).
[07:50] <LaserJock> I kinda do
[07:51] <LaserJock> it's annoying when you are trying to work on unstable releases and then somebody goes and releases that in a stable distro
[07:51] <LaserJock> it's, as they say, an honest mistake
[07:52] <LaserJock> but since we'd be effectively increasing the number of users using their unstable release (and bug reports/complaints) I can see the issue
[07:53] <ScottK> That certainly cuts short any debate.  I think I'll go to bed now...
[08:02] <nixternal> don't you people ever sleep?
[08:08] <Fujitsu> nixternal, of course not.
[08:08] <Fujitsu> What do you think we are?
[08:10] <minghua> the ones that do sleep usually can't keep up and get kicked out, like me
[08:10] <minghua> :-(
[08:11] <Fujitsu> minghua: You sleep!?
[08:11] <nixternal> heh
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Sleeping is not permissible!
[08:13] <minghua> well, I think I was expelled last time when they found out that I didn't know the origin of the name MOTU
[08:14] <Fujitsu> I didn't know that either :P
[08:59] <imbrandon> youngins
[08:59] <imbrandon> never watched HE-MAN ?
[08:59] <imbrandon> heh
[09:09] <ajmitch> imbrandon: next they'll say that they don't know what "council grayskull" was in reference to
[09:10] <Fujitsu> I've only known that since the origin-of-MOTU discussion a number of months ago. What was HE-MAN (other than the origin of these names)?
[09:11] <ajmitch> look on wikipedia :)
[09:11] <RAOF> Fujitsu: You *don't* know the He-Man?
[09:11] <minghua> I think both Fujitsu and I knew the origin of MOTU in a discussion about the name "grayskull council"
[09:11] <Fujitsu> That's right, minghua.
[09:11] <Fujitsu> RAOF, correct.
[09:12] <Fujitsu> He-Man is ancient. I'm not. That's why!
[09:13] <ajmitch> it's a classic!
[09:13] <Fujitsu> Not in my experience.
[09:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe
[09:14] <Fujitsu> Anyone know where I can get some of those newly-discovered weapon-wielding monkeys to use on my mother? She's saying that this is `slave labour' and that I shouldn't do this without being paid... Gaaaha.
[09:15] <ajmitch> it is slave labour
[09:15] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, thats why i used the irc name cringer the other day , cringer was prince adams ( aka HE-MAN's ) pet cat that became battlecat
[09:15] <imbrandon> ahh the olden days
[09:15] <ajmitch> prince adam holbach
[09:15] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I was wondering why you chose such a name.
[09:15] <RAOF> Fujitsu: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16 will tell you more about He-Man than Wikipaedia :)
[09:15] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Wouldn't Mr. Holbach be He-Man himself? He is sort of the leader!
[09:15] <ajmitch> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=815
[09:16] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: blame jono
[09:16] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: prince adam is he-man :)
[09:16] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Hehe. OK.
[09:17] <ajmitch> ah, the bottle dance :)
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Hm, why doesn't motu-council on LP have a proper name.
[09:17] <Fujitsu> *?
[09:17] <ajmitch> because it hasn't been set
[09:17] <imbrandon> oh yea
[09:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:18] <imbrandon> smoke break, brb
[09:18] <ajmitch> or the one where we all get led astray (by jono) trying to find the crazy buffet :)
[09:18] <imbrandon> hahah i think jono blamed that one on me
[09:19] <Fujitsu> I might actually be able to go to LCA next year, and meet some FOSS people.
[09:19] <Fujitsu> That will be interesting.
[09:19] <imbrandon> but he was the one that knew where the place was, then we had to wait on Seveas and elkbuntu  ;)
[09:19] <imbrandon> anyhow smokie time, brb
[09:22] <ajmitch> it's reasonably late in the month though (starting 28th jan)
[09:22] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Is it? Crap, that'll interfere with school.
[09:22] <ajmitch> 28.JAN-02.FEB
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Aha, but I won't have school next year. Forgot that.
[09:22] <ajmitch> from the site
[09:23] <ajmitch> you'll be finished end of this year?
[09:23] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[09:23] <ajmitch> or going to get the dole & sit at home? :)
[09:23] <Fujitsu> But that probably means I'll have to pay insanely more, 'cause I won't be a full-time student.
[09:24] <ajmitch> why not fulltime?
[09:25] <Fujitsu> I'll probably finish off the TAFE course and work during 2008, then uni in 2009. I'll still be younger than most of the others. Of course, it's possible I'll be heading of to uni next year... Not decided yet :S
[09:26] <ajmitch> ah right
[09:26] <ajmitch> what would you do at TAFE?
[09:26] <Fujitsu> Currently doing the Advanced Diploma of Computer Systems Engineering part time, and have been for the past 2 years.
[09:26] <ajmitch> interesting
[09:26] <ajmitch> what does it teach you?
[09:27] <Fujitsu> A friend of mine dropped out in year 9 and headed off to do philosophy at uni immediately.
[09:27] <ajmitch> philosophy? strange person
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Teach? Not a whole lot so far. A bit of stuff in the CCNA courses I didn't know, but otherwise no.
[09:27] <Fujitsu> Yes, very strange indeed. Strangest person I know.
[09:28] <ajmitch> mail that has been sent to me is slowly getting through :)
[09:28] <Fujitsu> How long was it missing for?
[09:28] <ajmitch> only about a day & a half
[09:29] <ajmitch> most of it seems to be here now
[09:29] <imbrandon> re
[09:29] <Fujitsu> `only'? That's a fair while.
[09:29] <Fujitsu> Better than 4 days, I guess. That was painful.
[09:29] <ajmitch> yeah, well the isp had issues with antivirus & spam stuff :)
[09:29] <Fujitsu> Stupid ServerPronto+Dapper, and dodgy RAM. That server has had its share of issues.
[09:29] <ajmitch> heh
[09:30] <ajmitch> I should probably start redirecting my mail through a server I control
[09:30] <imbrandon> heh
[09:30] <Fujitsu> I would host my mail here, but stupid Optus blocks port 25.
[09:30] <ajmitch> I wouldn't host my mail on my home DSL without a secondary MX
[09:31] <ajmitch> it'd just be asking for trouble, given telecom's reputation
[09:31] <TheMuso> Evening all.
[09:31] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso 
[09:32] <ajmitch> it is evening now, just got dark outside :)
[09:32] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso 
[09:32] <imbrandon> 230am here, and thundering like a mofo
[09:32] <imbrandon> hopefully we dont drop power, i hate working when the generators are on
[09:33] <ajmitch> hehe
[09:33] <ajmitch> you're at work still?
[09:33] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I've had two outages on this cable link in the 3 years we've had it. One was 5 minutes, the other about 2 hours. That's it.
[09:33] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea till 8am
[09:33] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I thought you'd given up those night shifts
[09:33] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Do you always do night-shifts?
[09:34] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's pretty good
[09:34] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Its stormy here too.
[09:34] <TheMuso> haha
[09:34] <imbrandon> hahah i have one dew + one amp/dew
[09:34] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That was my point. It's incredibly reliable :)
[09:34] <ajmitch> imbrandon: one tower of each? :)
[09:35] <Fujitsu> What is this Mountain Dew thing?
[09:35] <imbrandon> zomg, you dont know mt dew?
[09:35] <imbrandon> poor deprived child
[09:35] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: The only outages that we've had have been the fault of Telstra.
[09:35] <TheMuso> Otherwise, solid as a rock.
[09:36] <Fujitsu> Our work ADSL connection is terrible, and Telstra broke it for 3 days in January.
[09:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you're making me thirsty, and the supermarket is still open :)
[09:36] <TheMuso> Mountain Dew is actually quite nice.
[09:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Plenty of fluid from the tap.
[09:36] <ajmitch> though there's a supermarket open 24/7 less than 10 min walk from here, so I can't use that as an excuse
[09:36] <ajmitch> yeah, that's all I've been drinking today
[09:37] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe
[09:37] <TheMuso> ajmitch: That would be convenient.
[09:37] <nixternal> woohoo!!!
[09:37] <ajmitch> haha
[09:38] <nixternal> oh lord, imbrandon and a cam for his puter, stay off of netmeeting people!!!
[09:38] <imbrandon> cam for the phone
[09:38] <imbrandon> usb to get the pics off
[09:39] <nixternal> valid excuses
[09:39] <ajmitch> I don't think I'll take a photo of my desk at the moment
[09:39] <ajmitch> it's just a bit messy
[09:41] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, only cause my ankle was fscked
[09:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/dewdewdew.jpg
[09:41] <imbrandon> heya elky
[09:41] <ajmitch> evening elkbuntu 
[09:41] <elkbuntu> heyas
[09:41] <ajmitch> imbrandon: good self-control
[09:41] <imbrandon> a 1 ltr + a tall boy mt dew AMP
[09:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:42] <ajmitch> that'd last you about 20 minutes?
[09:42] <elkbuntu> TheMuso, hehe
[09:42] <imbrandon> bout 6 hours at work, i cant goto the head every 5 minutes here
[09:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:43] <ajmitch> ah, those memories of uds ;)
[09:43] <imbrandon> heh
[09:43] <ajmitch> you're going to seville, are you?
[09:43] <imbrandon> trying my darndest
[09:43] <elkbuntu> did anyone else find it refreshing each night to go back to the hotel to a toilet that felt normal?
[09:43] <ajmitch> good luck
[09:43] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:43] <ajmitch> elkbuntu: you mean one that wasn't heated?
[09:44] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, indeed
[09:44] <ajmitch> google has interesting facilities
[09:44] <Fujitsu> ... heated toilets? That's insane.
[09:44] <TheMuso> Now that sounds plain weird.
[09:44] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, yeah
[09:44] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, nah, you must have never hit a cold toliet seat ;)
[09:44] <ajmitch> that's only the start of it
[09:45] <elkbuntu> ajmitch, imbrandon, who was it that actually got to touch the scooters?
[09:45] <elkbuntu> apparantly someone did
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Scooters?
[09:46] <imbrandon> mtempton and ummm
[09:46] <imbrandon> someone else rode one
[09:46] <ajmitch> how google people get around campus
[09:46] <elkbuntu> Fujitsu, the googleplex official mode of inter building transport
[09:46] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you mean mneptok
[09:46] <imbrandon> yea
[09:46] <ajmitch> crazy lurt
[09:46] <ajmitch> s/lurt/kurt/
[09:47] <imbrandon> kurt
[09:47] <Fujitsu> How very odd Google is.
[09:47] <imbrandon> yea
[09:47] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, well it is a long walk to many of the buildings
[09:47] <imbrandon> makes sense
[09:47] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[09:47] <imbrandon> google is actualy like alot of company campus's arround the valey
[09:47] <imbrandon> but everyone makes a deal about google
[09:50] <ajmitch> google is fairly widespread there
[09:50] <ajmitch> they don't want people to waste time walking everywhere if they don't have to
[09:51] <imbrandon> yea the food was pretty good there 
[09:52] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:52] <elkbuntu> praaaawns :)
[09:52] <elkbuntu> or shrimp as you loonies call them
[10:14] <Seveas> google people are 3 meters from here
[10:14] <Seveas> (FOSDEM :))
[10:14] <imbrandon> heya Seveas 
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Hi Seveas.
[10:16] <elkbuntu> hey seveas
[10:26] <ajmitch> Seveas!
[10:31] <Seveas> ajmitch!
[10:31] <Seveas> (and hi to all)
[11:07] <coNP> geser: do you think wesnoth 1.2.2 can make into feisty?
[11:14] <geser> coNP: it depends if you can convince motu-uvf to grant a uvf exception
[11:16] <coNP> geser: okay, so I was not sure if that version counts as a new feature, or mostly bugfixes
[11:17] <ajmitch> it's a new version, so it needs a uvf exception
[11:17] <coNP> thanks, ajmitch 
[11:18] <Lutin> hay there
[11:19] <ajmitch> it shouldn't be hard to get, looks like bugfix releases
[11:24] <Lutin> hum..do someone know if it's possible to have my email adress @ubuntu.com changed from lutin- to lutin ?
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Lutin, you need to change your LP name to lutin, then file a support request about it.
[11:26] <Lutin> Fujitsu: heh, LP name already owned so I can't :/
[11:28] <Lutin> *sigh*
[11:40] <imbrandon> holly shit
[11:40] <ajmitch> ?
[11:40] <imbrandon> i'm screwed as far as freetime next month
[11:40] <imbrandon> like fskin 0
[11:40] <imbrandon> litterly
[11:40] <ajmitch> work killing your time?
[11:40] <imbrandon> gawd
[11:41] <imbrandon> we JUST got an email saying manditory 56 hours a week all next month
[11:41] <imbrandon> e.g. 5 days away
[11:41] <imbrandon> gawd
[11:41] <ajmitch> mandatory?
[11:41] <ajmitch> that's crazy
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea we got a huge new account and ...... jesus
[11:42] <imbrandon> that means i will work ummm .....
[11:43] <imbrandon> 8am to 8pm monday and tuesday , 4pm to 8pm wednessday , and 4pm to 8pm thursday , 12am to 8am then 4pm to 8pm friday and saturday and 12am to 12pm sat and sunday
[11:43] <imbrandon> jesus
[11:44] <imbrandon> hrm is that right
[11:44] <ajmitch> have fun :)
[11:44] <imbrandon> man i want a raise
[11:44] <imbrandon> fsk this
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Lutin: If the other account hasn't been used recently, you can probably convince the LP people to let you take the name. I've seen it done before.
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee!
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu!
[11:46] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[11:46] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon :)
[11:46] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[11:47] <imbrandon> moins Fujitsu 
[11:47] <ajmitch> evening Hobbsee 
[11:48] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch 
[11:48] <Lutin> Fujitsu: I guess 0 karma, no team membership and a dead email is considered 'no used recentely' ;)
[11:48] <TheMuso> Evening Hobbsee.
[11:49] <Fujitsu> Lutin, probably, yep.
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso :)
[11:50] <imbrandon> Lutin, most likely ;)
[11:51] <TheMuso> Which is somewhat of a change for me, and the busiest I've been in a while.
[11:53] <Lutin> Fujitsu: fill a support request is enough, or do I need to poke some LP people ?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Lutin: support request is enough
[11:55] <Lutin> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[11:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so waht's happening with beryl?
[11:57] <Hobbsee> or is giskard doing it?
[11:57] <giskard> i'm not doing it
[11:58] <giskard> i can do it, but last time people told me that imbrandon was working on it
[11:59] <giskard> Hobbsee, and, i don't have a ubuntu pc right now (it died 2 days ago) so i'm not able to do a good/clean work
[11:59] <Hobbsee> chroot?
[12:05] <GNUro> 'lo!
[12:07] <cbx33> do we have seamonkey in ubuntu anywhere?
[12:07] <geser> no
[12:08] <giskard> siretart, ping
[12:08] <cbx33> what do people use for webdevelopment here?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> cbx33: nvu
[12:08] <Hobbsee> cbx33: or raw html, etc
[12:08] <cbx33> Hobbsee, it hasn't been updated in almost 2 years
[12:09] <cbx33> is it any good?
[12:09] <giskard> which is unmaintained upstream/distro.
[12:09] <cbx33> last time i used it, it had issues with css
[12:09] <Hobbsee> dunno
[12:09] <cbx33> ok
[12:10] <geser> isn't somebody working on kompozer which should be nvu 1.1?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> there was an unofficial patch, which tonyyarusso was working on
[12:10] <imbrandon> sorry was afk , umm as i've told people in the past i have done some beryl work and /might/ do some more but as of this moment everything i have done is either a) in the archive or b) in beryl svn and havent touched it in weeks
[12:10] <imbrandon> and welcome anyone else to touch it at will
[12:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: smart answer :)
[12:10] <Hobbsee> giskard: there you go.
[12:11] <imbrandon> cbx33, nano or vim ;)
[12:11] <cbx33> imbrandon, hahah
[12:11] <giskard> Hobbsee, i don't have access to a Desktop ubuntu machine, as i told you before :(
[12:11] <Hobbsee> giskard: true.  was meaning when you did.  also, chroots / pbuilder works.
[12:12] <imbrandon> giskard, for testing or building ? your a MOTU right ? you should have access to my build boxen
[12:12] <giskard> imbrandon, yes! right, but i want test them before upload, i can do this on my laptop (which runs debian)
[12:12] <imbrandon> infact i need to get those cleaned up and posted to -motu for peeps to use before i start this overtime
[12:13] <imbrandon> ahh well you could load a vm but the preformance would likely not be whats needed for beryl
[12:14] <imbrandon> hum ho
[12:15] <imbrandon> sudo reboot
[12:15] <imbrandon> err
[12:15] <imbrandon> brb
[12:32] <cbx33> does anyone use an IDE for work in programming?
[12:32] <cbx33> esp python
[12:32] <tsmithe> gedit :P
[12:32] <imbrandon> eric is good, or nnao
[12:32] <imbrandon> nano*
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ew, nano
[12:33] <imbrandon> nano ftw
[12:33] <Fujitsu> IDE for python? Odd concept.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Vim forever!
[12:33] <imbrandon> hah, darn youngins
[12:33] <phanatic> cbx33: wingide, you can get a free licence, if you can prove that you're an open source developer, and won't use it for commercial apps
[12:34] <cbx33> ahh i see
[12:34] <cbx33> i've seen people using eclipse
[12:34] <cbx33> and indeed i tried it out for a short while
[12:34] <imbrandon> eric is gpl and good
[12:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:35] <phanatic> wingide consumes much less memory, and it's a lot faster, has doc and debugging features, but it's not open source :(
[12:35] <phanatic> (compared to eclipse)
[12:36] <imbrandon> apt-cache show eric
[12:36] <imbrandon> Description: full featured Python IDE eric is a full featured Python IDE written in PyQt using the QScintilla editor widget. Some highlights
[12:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:36] <phanatic> i didn't like eric that much, but maybe i should give it a try again :)
[01:20] <imbrandon> welp time to write a bit of php
[01:23] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Urgh, why?
[01:25] <cbx33> yuk yuk
[01:25] <cbx33> I had to do that today too
[01:34] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, just to do some updates via cron that are already php scripted
[01:34] <imbrandon> and i dont wanna rewrite the whole thing
[01:34] <imbrandon> so i just patch the existing script ;)
[01:54] <pochu> hello :) 
[01:55] <pochu> slomo: could you upload bug 86318? It's approved :) by daniel and andrew
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86318 in gajim "[UVF Exception]  Please, update Gajim to 0.11.1" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[02:06] <c5jr> Hello
[02:07] <imbrandon> ehlo
[02:08] <Kioshen> moring c5jr 
[02:09] <c5jr> Evening Kioshen, it is after 20:00 here, but still over 30 C
[02:10] <c5jr> Thailand is a fun place, visit sometime :)
[02:11] <Kioshen> I would like to :)
[02:11] <Kioshen> you pay for the plane ticket ;) ?
[02:12] <c5jr> Haha I wish I had that kind of money
[02:12] <c5jr> Although once you get here your expenses can be _very_ minimal.
[02:14] <pirast> could anyone have a look at bug 87543 and do an upload?
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87543 in dvdrip "DVDRip new release" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87543
[02:14] <pirast> , please
[02:22] <c5jr> OK, pirast, do you need a deb made of those or just upload all files in that directory?
[02:23] <pirast> c5jr, no just upload the dsc at http://gamesplace.info/opensource/ubuntu/dvdrip/dvdrip_0.98.2-0.0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:23] <c5jr> Cool
[02:23] <pirast> c5jr, yeah 
[02:23] <pirast> :-P
[02:23] <c5jr> haha :D
[02:26] <Hobbsee> pirast: does UVF require 2 or 3 acks now?
[02:26] <pirast> hobbsee, 2 afaik
[02:26] <Hobbsee> right
[02:26] <pirast> hobbsee, they set it to confirmed and that means that it is okay :-)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> right
[02:27] <pochu> mmm
[02:28] <pochu> pirast, Hobbsee: then could you upload gajim? (bug 86318) It has 2 oks, and it's confirmed by a motu-uvf member :)
[02:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86318 in gajim "[UVF Exception]  Please, update Gajim to 0.11.1" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86318
[02:32] <Hobbsee> pirast: done
[02:33] <pirast> hobbsee, thanks :-)
[02:33] <pirast> let's see if changelog-closes-bugs works 
[02:33] <Adri2000> doesn't
[02:33] <Hobbsee> it doesnt
[02:33] <Adri2000> soyuz isn't ready for it yet I believe
[02:34] <Hobbsee> pochu: grabbing it now
[02:34] <pochu> Adri2000: I think so :)
[02:34] <pochu> Hobbsee: ty! :)
[02:34] <pirast> but why is it set to implented?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: did you do any REVUing during the sprint, and before/after?
[02:34] <pirast> when it does not work?
[02:34] <pirast> :-(
[02:34] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: a bit, yes
[02:35] <Adri2000> pirast: the dpkg side is implemented, the soyuz side is another spec
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: are you working with the ubuntu-universe-sponsors, too, and getting that list down?
[02:35] <Adri2000> yep
[02:35] <Hobbsee> neat
[02:35] <pirast> jhhoui
[02:36] <pirast> :-(
[02:36] <pirast> why did I fix dvdrip then? :-P
[02:36] <pochu> hehe
[02:36] <Hobbsee> pirast: hrm?
[02:36] <pochu> where is that list?
[02:36] <pochu> topic :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> pochu: the bugs that ubuntu-universe-sponsors is subscribed to
[02:37] <Hobbsee> basically, ones waiting to be sponsored
[02:37] <pochu> oh, hehe :)
[02:37] <pochu> Hobbsee: I contribute to increment that list :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:37] <Hobbsee> as long as it's not contributing crack, that's good :)
[02:39] <imbrandon> hah rockin
[02:39] <imbrandon> i just had a colo customer come in to get access to his servers and 
[02:39] <imbrandon> he fired up his laptop and it was kubuntu
[02:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:39] <imbrandon> i was like w00t
[02:41] <pochu> Hobbsee: ty!! :)
[02:41] <pochu> now I'm going to eat :)
[02:42] <c5jr> Hmm
[02:43] <c5jr> I wonder if Canonical or anyone else has registered IDN transliterations of 'ubuntu'
[02:43] <c5jr> I know that google has not everywhere
[02:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay!
[02:47] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ping
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: likely asleep
[02:48] <imbrandon> probably, no hurry i'll just email him
[02:53] <pirast> hobbsee, look, at bug 87536, there's a debdiff waiting for upload :-P would be nice if you could upload it :)
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87536 in gtkpod "[feisty]  gtkpod fails to build with gpod 0.4.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87536
[03:15] <jdong> slomo: any hints for why monodevelop-0.13 fails to recognize that stetic exists? :)
[03:15] <jdong> did I drop way too many patches in my selfish quest to compile? :D
[03:21] <imbrandon> likely
[03:21] <imbrandon> stetic is teh devil;
[03:38] <jdong> ok, then approach #2
[03:38] <jdong> unpack Novell RPM and use in a local ~/bin
[03:38] <jdong> :D
[03:45] <ScottK> ajmitch:  "[03:30]  <ajmitch> I wouldn't host my mail on my home DSL without a secondary MX" - I know this was 6 hours ago, but I was sleeping...  Secondary mx is more trouble than it's worth.  I've got chapter and verse on that if you care.
[03:53] <imbrandon> jdong, diaf
[03:54] <imbrandon> ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=D.I.A.F. )
[03:54] <jdong> imbrandon: I love you too.
[03:55] <jdong> imbrandon: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DIAF I hope it isn't the bottom one.
[04:16] <Lathiat> hrm all my java apps stopped working 
[04:16] <Lathiat> java: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
[04:16] <Lathiat> woot.
[04:16] <imbrandon> nice
[04:17] <Lathiat> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bug/86103
[04:17] <Lathiat> hrmph :P
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86103 in sun-java5 "azureus-> java: xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed." [High,Confirmed]  
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:33] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[04:33] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:33] <imbrandon> $query = 'select username,email from jiveUser';
[04:34] <imbrandon> err
[04:34] <bddebian> heh
[04:35] <bddebian> Hi pochu
[04:35] <pochu> heya bddebian :)
[04:54] <ScottK> Bug #87575 is ready for upload if anyone is available....
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87575 in pyyaml "Backport multiple upstream patches for pyyaml" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87575
[04:56] <ScottK> This is the upstream says, "Gee, if someone is actually going to use the stuff I released, you better make the following changes" patch.
[05:13] <c5jr> I need to set up an ubuntu system for packaging... Seems like there's a reasonable amount of demand for it here, and it isn't that hard to do.
[05:13] <imbrandon> c5jr, are you a member of ubuntu-dev or -core-dev ?
[05:13] <c5jr> No
[05:13] <imbrandon> if so i already setup such systems
[05:13] <c5jr> I do work on suriyan.org
[05:14] <imbrandon> oh ok nvm
[05:14] <c5jr> Right on
[05:14] <c5jr> I have tried to work on the ubuntu build system that kaimon maintains, to no avail.
[05:15] <c5jr> We have 'instant server' sarge based stuff we wanted to migrate to Ubuntu's build, but it proved very difficult.
[05:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:16] <c5jr> Most of the stuff didn't seem like it was written for outsiders to use.
[05:17] <c5jr> Ah well, that's another day's battle.
[05:17] <imbrandon> most of it wasnt
[05:17] <Q-FUNK> guys, could someone test cups-pdf 2.4.2-3 (debian) on Dapper, Edgy and Feisty? I need to check that it doesn't break anything on Ubuntu.  If it works, I'll request a sync and a backport.
[05:18] <c5jr> Yeah, I can definitely see the value in having a single source of a build.. We just have a buildsystem to download and run make, and an iso comes out if you have dependencies met.
[05:19] <imbrandon> it can be done, there just isnt something ready made to doso
[05:19] <imbrandon> not yet
[05:19] <c5jr> Whch could make it harder to keep things centralized.
[05:19] <c5jr> Yeah, I made a few isos that did very little...
[05:19] <c5jr> Odd md5sum errors that didn't add up to me.
[05:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:20] <c5jr> :D it was fun to do and get paid for though :D
[05:21] <imbrandon> heh
[05:21] <imbrandon> i like what i get paid for, i just wish i dident do so many hours of it, i have another project i wanna start this year and its looking drab
[05:22] <c5jr> I know the feeling...
[05:23] <c5jr> My employers seem to let me do cool stuff if it seems relatively productive most of the time they don't have an emergency.
[05:23] <c5jr> But, life isn't as interesting without emergencies.
[05:23] <imbrandon> hahah right
[05:43] <shawarma> If I want to sponser an upload, what do I do? Assign the bug to me, fetch the package, apply the debdiff, build the source package (with -k<my key id>), test the build, and dput it? That's it?
[05:44] <shawarma> Er.. And set the bug to "fix committed" of course.
[05:46] <bddebian> shawarma: Yep
[05:47] <shawarma> bddebian: Sound simple enough.
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87575 in pyyaml "Backport multiple upstream patches for pyyaml" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87575
[05:52] <shawarma> ScottK: i just uploaded it.
[05:52] <shawarma> ScottK: That's why I asked. :-)
[05:53] <ScottK> Ah. Thanks shawarma.
[05:53] <ScottK> Cool.
[05:53] <shawarma> No problem. Good work.
[05:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:59] <shawarma> ScottK: Have you gotten an ACCEPT mail?
[06:00] <shawarma> It's the first time I sponsor an upload, so I'm not sure if I should expect to get one..
[06:00] <Adri2000> shawarma: you should get it
[06:00] <ScottK> Not yet, but LP is often slow.
[06:01] <shawarma> Adri2000: Alright.
[06:01] <shawarma> ScottK: true
[06:01] <shawarma> Adri2000: Just me, or both of us?
[06:01] <shawarma> Oh, just got it.
[06:01] <Adri2000> just you, you signed the package
[06:03] <ScottK> shawarma: The upload happened because I see the new version here: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+packages
[06:03] <ScottK> Oh, I see you got it...
[06:17] <pirast> could anyone please upload the debdiff in bug 87536?
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87536 in gtkpod "[feisty]  gtkpod fails to build with gpod 0.4.2" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87536
[06:23] <crimsun> bug 87536
[06:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87536 in gtkpod "[feisty]  gtkpod fails to build with gpod 0.4.2" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87536
[06:39] <ScottK> How does one find out why a binary got sent to new instead of automatically being released?
[06:42] <geser> ScottK: there is only one reason: it's a new binary
[06:45] <geser> first the source and then the binaries
[06:46] <geser> if you split a package into two, the new one has to go through NEW
[06:47] <ScottK> OK.  Got it.  Thanks.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> howdy weekenders
[07:31] <ScottK> Hody.
[07:31] <ScottK> Howdy even.
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> BAM!  I win!
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> where's gnomefreak ?
[07:37] <gnomefreak> im working why whats up?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: It built and runs :)
[07:38] <gnomefreak> what was it?
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> The kompozer thing from yesterday
[07:39] <gnomefreak> what was the issue with missing libs?
[07:39] <tonyyarusso> They weren't being pulled in right with dh_install.  I messed with a couple of debian/* things.
[07:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:43] <gnomefreak> bbl these things are killing me :)
[07:43] <gnomefreak> :( even
[08:36] <shawarma> I forget. What's the criteria for moving something from dapper-proposed to dapper-updates?
[08:37] <crimsun> for main or for universe?
[08:37] <crimsun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU for the latter
[08:37] <crimsun> see points 4 & 5
[08:39] <shawarma> crimsun: Thanks.
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> Is someone familiar with dh_link?  I have a debian/packagename.links file that I'm using, and it seems to only properly apply the last of the three listed.
[08:40] <imbrandon> gaim will do it
[08:40] <imbrandon> err wrong room
[08:40] <ajmitch> morning
[08:40] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: paste the .links
[08:40] <crimsun> 'morning ajmitch 
[08:40] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you pinged earlier?
[08:40] <imbrandon> ahh yes, PM , one sec
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> usr/bin/nvu usr/bin/kompozer
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> usr/bin/nvu-config usr/bin/kompozer-config
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> usr/lib/nvu-0.77/kompozer-bin usr/lib/nvu-0.77/nvu-bin
[08:42] <ScottK> !pastebin
[08:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:42] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: ^^^
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> (yes, I'm aware of how bizarre it is that nvu, nvu-config, and kompozer-bin are the ones that exist - inconsistency booo...)
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: sorry, was only three, so.. will next time
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: ideas?
[08:52] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: do you have a pbuilder log?
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: no
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> gotta remember to make that next time, argh.
[08:55] <ajmitch> makes it easier
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[08:58] <imbrandon> w00t jabber and public email server workin
[08:58] <imbrandon> now to make a webpage
[09:10] <Adri2000> what do you think of the rc debian bugs "missing dep on adduser" ? in ubuntu adduser is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal, so they are not really rc bugs for us...
[09:13] <crimsun> no, they still are.
[09:13] <crimsun> adduser is only Priority important
[09:13] <crimsun> should be trivial fixes & uploads, anyhow
[09:17] <Adri2000> crimsun: ok, I will request syncs for them then
[09:18] <imbrandon> if its not priority Required it should be dep'd on correct ?
[09:19] <crimsun> yes, that's the contained fix
[09:19] <crimsun> hence the "will request syncs for them"
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> giskard: Did you ever have trouble building Nvu on PPC ?
[09:31] <tsmithe> ajmitch, ping?
[09:39] <ploum> Hello
[09:39] <ploum> I would like to upload my first package in REVU
[09:39] <ploum> I already joined the LP group
[09:39] <ploum> can somebody sync it ?
[09:43] <tsmithe> can i prod someone about a NEW package?
[09:43] <crimsun> keyring sync in progress.
[09:43] <ploum> thanks
[09:44] <ploum> on the website, the login is the same that the LP one ?
[09:45] <Adri2000> it's your email address
[09:46] <crimsun> keyring sync completed.
[09:46] <ploum> and what is the password ? The LP one or the GPG one ?
[09:47] <ploum> thanks crimsun
[09:50] <ploum> the "recover password" on the site gives me : 
[09:50] <ploum> bash: -d : command not found
[09:50] <ploum> ok
[09:51] <ploum> understood (the ">" at the beginning must be removed)
[09:52] <tsmithe> * can i prod someone about my NEW package?
[09:52] <tsmithe> it has a bug :)
[09:52] <Adri2000> tsmithe: a package which is currently in NEW?
[09:52] <tsmithe> it's in the queue
[09:52] <Adri2000> what is the bug?
[09:53] <tsmithe> ldconfig stuffs
[10:01] <ploum> The password recover always reply me "none" for my password. Is it normal ?
[10:10] <tsmithe> Adri2000, it's "wired". it installs some files to /usr/lib that it uses, and others to /usr/lib/wired (by default) which was kinda untidy, so i configured it to install libs by default to /usr/lib/wired. but causes link issues. i could have a postinst script call `ldconfig /usr/lib/wired`, but i don't like that either. would it just be easier to revert the change, and have it scatter a few (not actually that many) files in /usr/lib?
[10:10] <tsmithe> also, the latter solution creates the /usr/lib/wired/wired directory
[10:12] <imbrandon> ajmitch, ping ( again )
[10:13] <imbrandon> crimsun, got a few minutes to help me come up with a short list of packages 
[10:14] <Adri2000> tsmithe: hmm, if it doesn't create problems when there are files in /usr/lib/ and /usr/lib/wired/, you can keep that and ask upstream to install them in the same place in the future
[10:14] <nixternal> imbrandon: #ubuntu-meeting and get rid of a troll please?
[10:14] <tsmithe> i will - i was thinking of that
[10:14] <tsmithe> now, is updating a package on NEW any problem?
[10:15] <Adri2000> I'd say reupload a package that is already in NEW won't work, but I'm not sure at all
[10:22] <imbrandon> ajmitch, unping
[10:22] <tsmithe> imbrandon, you'll know
[10:24] <imbrandon> ?
[10:24] <imbrandon> i wasent reading
[10:24] <tsmithe> ^^^ about wired :)
[10:25] <tsmithe> can it be reuploaded to NEW?
[10:25] <imbrandon> iirc yes, but i have never tried it
[10:25] <tsmithe> hmm
[10:26] <tsmithe> asked in -devel
[10:29] <Adri2000> hi Toadstool 
[10:30] <Toadstool> hey Adri2000 
[10:31] <Adri2000> NEW packages need an ack from motu-uvf now? so I assign motu-uvf to the sync request?
[10:35] <Fujitsu> tsmithe: I've uploaded a package on top of one in NEW before.
[10:35] <Fujitsu> It works.
[10:35] <jdong> where did mipmap.h disappear off to?
[10:35] <jdong> it's not in there since xorg 7.2 mesa came onboard.
[10:37] <Fujitsu> The only reference to mipmap.h + xorg 7.2 I can find is a complaint in the Gentoo forums saying the same thing. Terrific.
[10:39] <jdong> Fujitsu: LOL wonderful! :D
[10:39] <jdong> xserver-xgl does not compile anymore
[10:39] <jdong> because mipmap.h went poof.
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Get a new xserver-xgl, perhaps?
[10:42] <jdong> Fujitsu: considering it yes :)
[10:43] <tsmithe> Fujitsu, thanks
[10:43] <jdong> Fujitsu: 10 bucks new xgl would want new glitz/mesa and ad nauseum
[10:46] <jdong> ha ! dirty symlinks fixed that
[10:47] <Fujitsu> Yuck!
[10:48] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Can you please attack #65964 with your core-dev release-nomination-accepting powers?
[11:07] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, k
[11:09] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, done
[11:09] <Fujitsu> Thanks!
[11:09] <imbrandon> np
[11:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:42] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[11:43] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[11:54] <Adri2000> siretart: ping, bug 82246, the changelog is missing, and you need to subscribe ubuntu-archive
[11:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82246 in openvpn "please sync openvpn_2.0.9-4/unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82246
[11:57] <LaserJock> hello MOTU Land!
[11:57] <Adri2000> hey LaserJock
[11:58] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't know thunerbird did RSS reading
[11:58] <crimsun> Adri2000: / siretart: fixed description and required info for 82246
[11:59] <Adri2000> ok
[12:05] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, Adri2000, crimsun
[12:05] <crimsun> heya bddebian 
[12:05] <crimsun> imbrandon: pong
[12:06] <LaserJock> hola senor bddebian
[12:07] <LaserJock> glad to see linux.com's "Make your own packages for Debian-based systems" makes it a snap with checkinstall ;-)
[12:07] <crimsun> awesome!
[12:08] <LaserJock> though I'm glad to say after checkinstall they have a section called "The right way"
[12:08] <LaserJock> "CheckInstall is great for quick-and-dirty package generation if all you're worried about is having an easier way to manage applications you're installing from source. However, CheckInstall packages don't pass the sniff test when you are trying to create packages that comply with distro policies."
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> anyone know offhand a package that makes use of dh_link with a debian/package.links file?
[12:10] <crimsun> flashplugin-nonfree
[12:10] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: I know ubuntu-docs does (has a links file anyway)
[12:10] <tonyyarusso> thanks
[12:10] <tonyyarusso> Also, is ajmitch or another REVU person around that could fix matters if I abort a dput and leave a partial upload?
[12:12] <imbrandon> crimsun, heya