[12:25] i hope we get to go :) [12:26] yep : [12:26] D === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === transgress [n=transgre@75.137.254.86] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:03] yeah i need some sort of test to show i changed ports [01:04] transgress, be patient and an op will be with you in a minute or two... don't run! :) [01:05] transgress: done, thanks :) [01:07] thanks === transgress [n=transgre@75.137.254.86] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v hybrid] by ChanServ === Sapote [n=guillote@host44.201-252-215.telecom.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:50] Hobbsee, elkbuntu: So I'm reading a book about visiting Australia, and he keeps going on about how many venomous creatures there are there. Ever had an unfortunate encounter? [01:50] no [01:50] oh, a couple [01:50] nothing major though [01:51] tonyyarusso: you are surrounded by venemous creatures all around you, have you ever been encountered? [01:52] Hobbsee: So "nothing major" in Australian means like there are only funnel web spiders in three of the eight corners of my bedroom? [01:52] tonyyarusso, i have redbacks, do tehy count? [01:52] hehe [01:52] Kamping_Kaiser: sure. :) [01:52] tonyyarusso, then yes, only in 3 corners :) [01:54] tonyyarusso, what does 'unfortunate encounter' entail anyway? [01:55] Kamping_Kaiser: dunno, some venom, a day or two in a hospital, last rites, that sort of thing. [01:56] nah, dont remember having died before [01:56] tonyyarusso: most folks you talk to here live in metropolises of various sizes. not so many venemous animals (just like in north america) === nalioth thinks tonyyarusso is having a shoe sandwich [01:56] a shoe sandwich? chewy [01:57] i find your line of questioning insulting, actually. perhaps i'm reading it wrong [01:58] Oh? Didn't mean it like that at all... [01:58] tonyyarusso: here in NorthAM, we have venomous snakes, lizards, spiders, and probably some other forms of life i can't remember atm. just because you live in NorthAM, do you have to watch where you step all the time? [01:59] nalioth: No, but we don't have as many. The author is writing about this while in the suburbs of Sydney, btw. Apparently they have a number of the "most poisonous _____" sorts of things. === tonyyarusso was mostly joking, but is apparently being taken far too seriously today - sorry all [02:03] tonyyarusso: go ahead and visit Australia. I think you'll be fine (no matter what that author thinks) [02:04] I'd love to sometime. Will probably do my dream trip of the north half first though (every country that touches the Arctic Ocean and/or Artic Circle) [02:10] In #kubuntu, b0rt said: ubotu: beryl is working really nice on aiglx, but emerald seems to have some problems to load windows decorations === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee_] by ChanServ === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Madpilot] by ChanServ [02:29] In ubotu, Bubblemanx said: where is console? [02:30] !terminal [02:30] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands [02:30] !tell Bubblemanx about terminal [02:33] tonyyarusso, remote control noob assistance. Cool. ;) [02:34] Madpilot: You should have seen the day I compiled and installed something for a guy via VNC while he was in the shower. [02:34] I had a root console on the machine of someone I didn't know - it was crazy. [02:35] then went looking for his sekrit pr0n stash before he got out of the shower? [02:35] a very trusting noob [02:35] lol, there are some things I'd rather not know ;) [02:36] people can be insanly trusting [02:38] no people can be insane [02:39] s/can/are [02:39] bbl. [02:49] nalioth: You're the only person that I know has PPC machines. It would be nice if I could have access to a PPC pbuilder, if that's a possibility through your or anyone else (either run by me or you, doesn't matter) === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyy] by ChanServ === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nalioth] by ChanServ [03:34] nalioth, ubot3 is on the same connection as you? [03:34] yes, unfortunately [03:35] where did it go? [03:35] looks like the bot is returning to its haunts [03:36] nowhere, it needs to do some ghost slaying as well [03:47] nalioth: machine back up and ready? [03:50] stand by please [03:50] don't make me grumble [03:52] Happy to do so - troubleshooting an issue I found anyway; might be a while. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v gnomefreak] by ChanServ === arrenlex [n=em@S01060040052da362.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:32] (20:22:04) bird603568 [n=bird@c-71-58-92-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] entered the room. [04:32] (20:26:52) bird603568: you guys suck cock [04:33] Could you ban 'im? [04:33] You didn't respond to the !ops... [04:33] arrenlex: He quit. [04:33] If he comes back we will. [04:33] Aight. === arrenlex [n=em@S01060040052da362.ed.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === thc|work [i=20709a26@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d3361a3f8ef6f546] has joined #ubuntu-ops [04:43] shit... why isn't it letting me in #ubuntu - this nick's registered [04:44] !proxy | thc|work [04:44] thc|work: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer. [04:44] Attention tor users. You may think you are anonymous, but you are not. Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself. Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc. If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks [04:44] nah i know, i've been through this before but i thought i'd be allowed in with a registered nick [04:44] and i'm connecting through port 8001 [04:46] You can use a cloak, but a registered nick isn't enough for this particular issue [04:46] shitter... [04:46] i don't wanna be anon [04:46] i just am because i'm using irc at work... no way round it [04:47] So ask for an unaffil. cloak? [04:47] tonyyarusso: language please [04:47] tonyyarusso: won't work [04:48] eh? [04:49] thc|work: You could also try #ubuntu-offtopic if it's a temporary sort of issue - either someone might know, or they might be able to relay to #ubuntu, since I don't think that chan blocks proxies. [04:49] ahh oki.. i only wanted to make general chat about it [04:50] i'm a new user and just looking to soak up as much as i can [04:50] thc|work: #ubuntu-offtopic will work fine [04:50] we don't allow gateway users in #ubuntu due to abuse [04:50] that's fair enough [04:51] after you've been here a while and we see you interacting in other #ubuntu-* channels, sometimes exceptions can be made [04:51] ahh fair due's [04:51] so you're taking the precaution incase i'm blagging you and trying to abuse ubuntu... fair enough lol [04:51] you can never take a man on irc by face vallue === ericz [n=eric@ip70-174-127-4.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [05:06] eh.. i got redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic, now connected on port 8001, when will i be able to join #ubuntu? [05:07] ericz: join me in #moderation please [05:09] ericz: you can rejoin #ubuntu now. thanks for your patience [05:09] sure, no problem === ericz [n=eric@ip70-174-127-4.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] [05:12] tell me nalioth, what's going on here? [05:12] thc|work: /msg ubotu exploit [05:14] hmm but i did nothing wrong, nor do i plan to [05:15] thc|work: ubotu is an info bot [05:15] be informed === Sapote [n=guillote@host44.201-252-215.telecom.net.ar] has left #ubuntu-ops ["say] === thc|work [i=20709a26@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-d3361a3f8ef6f546] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Mez] by ChanServ === ShaneP [i=shane@gateway/tor/x-c6a249bbab5313c8] has joined #ubuntu-ops === ShaneP [i=shane@gateway/tor/x-c6a249bbab5313c8] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === ShaneP [i=shane@gateway/tor/x-c6a249bbab5313c8] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:22] I believe I'm in the wrong channel..what is the ubuntu support channel? I thought it was #ubuntu [07:23] !proxy | ShaneP [07:23] ShaneP: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer. [07:23] Attention tor users. You may think you are anonymous, but you are not. Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself. Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc. If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks === Smorg [i=Smorg@gateway/tor/x-8daf2bee9317563b] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:32] hey smorg [07:32] Hi [07:32] I guess using this irc gateway is banned from ubuntu [07:33] (with tor) [07:33] yeah is there an actual ubuntu channel? [07:33] yeah this is tor [07:33] #kubuntu works [07:33] yeah, i guess tor is banned [07:34] they say it's not completely anonymous yet my ip is hidden and that's enough for me [07:34] Its basically completely anonymous if you use it properly [07:34] but i guess it's not with irc..that's what the links say [07:35] did it show you some links saying it was banned on here for you? [07:35] Any sort of traffic analysis involves crude things such as data timeing correlation etc [07:35] why wouldn't it be? [07:35] its encrypted end to end [07:35] any data will be anonymous with the exception of the exit node [07:35] http://tor.unixgu.ru/ [07:35] oh well they can detect you are a tor user [07:35] thats easy [07:36] the exit nodes are all publicly known [07:36] Let me know what you think of that link [07:36] of course they have to be for tor to function [07:38] ladies and gentlemen, this is not a social channel, if you want access to #ubuntu, Freenode offers cloaks for anonymity and it also offers "gpg-tor" access which is not shunned by some of the channels here [07:39] ah it just kicks you to this chan [07:39] appologies [07:40] http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml Smorg === ShaneP [i=shane@gateway/tor/x-c6a249bbab5313c8] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] [07:47] I was just thinking, what's the policy on away messages currently [07:47] Myrtti: No public ones, generally. (sometimes tolerated in smaller channels, but just don't) [07:48] Use /away instead === Smorg [i=Smorg@gateway/tor/x-8daf2bee9317563b] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === Smorg [i=Smorg@gateway/tor/x-8daf2bee9317563b] has joined #ubuntu-ops [07:49] tonyyarusso: yeah. I asked because I tried to discuss the issue on a particular channel, but since no change was happening and I got frustrated everytime I saw public aways, I left the channel [07:49] I wasn't contributing there anyway so it didn't matter that I left [07:50] Myrtti: /away messages suck [07:50] !tell Myrtti about guidelines [07:50] they really do, I know [07:51] and yes, I know the guidelines, it's me, you know ;-) [07:51] Myrtti: just sic ubuto on 'em :) [07:51] or ubotu even [07:52] well I didn't really want to rub it on people, I tried nicely with discussion [07:53] so /msg ubotu tell NICK about guidelines [07:53] it'll tell 'em who sent it [07:53] I don't particularly like using bots telling people what I can tell them myself [07:53] it's so... hmmm, so... [07:54] outsourced [07:54] I like to talk to people with no proxies [07:54] since I still know how to type and think [07:55] but now I need to relogin, xfce has forgotten some of my settings === arrenlex [n=em@S01060040052da362.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-ops [08:51] Could we have a blurb about install.exe pointing you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype [08:51] Perhaps with many giant beta warnings? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Seveas] by ChanServ === arrenlex [n=em@S01060040052da362.ed.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-ops [] [09:47] mneptok, they're talking about you on -motu, go scare them : [09:47] well drat, one of them's in here, that ruined it [10:34] heheh [10:42] bah. if you're having a good day so far, dont read sounder [11:18] yay for having unsubscribed yesterday :D [11:18] hehe [11:18] kgoetz, jbj suggested a... homebrew repo [11:18] ie, a cesspool of support nightmare [11:18] @t [11:19] meh [11:19] elkbuntu: what, another one? [11:19] or a united one ?:S [11:19] kgoetz, a united one [11:19] he's a tool, remember [11:19] i replied anyway, and somehow managed to keep the CoC intact [11:20] i forget fast, but less then a week since i nearly snapped over a post from him i think i remember ;) [11:21] i just reminded you in PM [11:21] oh thankyou *looks* [11:25] @config channel plugins.mess.enabled True [11:25] @esr [11:25] @esr [11:25] Eric Raymond was reborn; from a skinny lame kid with a flute into a shaman and a vessel of the Goat-Foot God, the Piper at the Gates of Dawn, the Horned Lord. The music was his first power, but not his last. [11:25] @esr [11:26] o_0 [11:26] wth? [11:26] @t [11:27] Mr. T actually does sell sea shells by the sea shore. Mainly to support his $500,000 a day gold chain habit. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Seeker` [n=cjo20@84-12-195-25.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ [12:33] anyone awake === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee_] by ChanServ === tsmithe is awake, but he's not an op [12:38] already dealt, tsmithe === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee__] by ChanServ [12:38] elkbuntu, kk [12:38] eek. how many Hobbsee__ 's do we need :S [12:38] kgoetz, i know. one is more than enough === kgoetz flail === elkbuntu tickles all the hobbsee's === Hobbsee tickles all the elkbuntu's === tsmithe hides from all the Hobbsees [12:39] kgoetz: lots! === Hobbsee chases tsmithe [12:39] tsmithe, careful. they hunt like velocir raptors === tsmithe outruns the Hobbsees === Hobbsee__ pounces on tsmithe [12:39] elkbuntu, that's ok. i've dealt with them many a time === kgoetz watches [12:40] rpf; [12:40] hehe - Hobbsee__ pounced on my dummy! [12:40] rofl* === tsmithe gives elkbuntu a ticket to a typing lesson [12:40] Fetched 204MB in 6m22s (532kB/s) yay :) [12:40] lucky beggar [12:41] Hobbsee: thats a bit slow :P [12:41] i get a tenth that [12:41] hehe [12:41] hehe === Hobbsee is dist-upgrading one laptop, and installing the kde snapshot on the other [12:41] tsmithe: thats still twice as fast as my home connection [12:41] that is my home connection ;) [12:41] used to be 200 :'( [12:41] :( === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Bye!] === Hobbsee__ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee__] by ChanServ === Hobbsee seriously cant believe how tiny this laptop screen is [12:44] *hugs* Hobbsee* - now control that cloneing :P [12:44] hehe [12:45] how tiny is it? [12:49] 1024x768 - it's not that small [12:49] but compared to my dell widescreen... === kgoetz runs this lappy at that === Hobbsee__ waits... === kgoetz puts 'get lappy to take to png' on todo list [12:52] closer... closer... [12:52] (and scarier too) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Hobbsee] by ChanServ === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Pricey] by ChanServ === Hobbsee is back to torment... [02:13] In ubotu, HymnToLife said: names is For info about why Ubuntu releases are named as they are, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [02:14] !names [02:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about names - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:14] !search name [02:14] Found: kernel, appsy, warty, username, alsa-source, tab, questions-#ubuntu-classroom-chat, scp, strigi, usernames === kgoetz wonders if thats a 'still in there ' warty or serves a special purpose [02:15] !waty [02:15] Sorry, I don't know anything about waty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [02:15] !warty [02:15] warty was the first release of Ubuntu. Version 4.10, codename "Warty Warthog" [02:15] !name is codenames [02:15] In #ubuntu-ops, Pricey said: !name is codenames [02:16] %login [02:16] !name is codenames [02:16] In #ubuntu-ops, Pricey said: !name is codenames [02:16] @login [02:16] !login [02:16] login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2776 kB [02:16] grrr [02:16] heh :/ [02:16] maybe it only knows you as Price_Child? [02:16] !name is codenames [02:16] I'll remember that, PriceChild [02:16] woo :) [02:16] :D [02:17] :D === PriceChild files a bug [02:20] %login [02:20] what are you expecting? [02:20] gnomefreak, well when I use my "Pricey" alternate nick it won't accept me [02:21] ah [02:21] So hopefully the login can just look at the cloak instead of the entire thing === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v Jucato] by ChanServ === nalioth_ [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nalioth_] by ChanServ [04:29] @btlogin === qmario_ [n=QMario@cpe-70-116-124-115.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-ops === ompaul [n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v ompaul] by ChanServ === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v nalioth] by ChanServ === adem [n=adem@unaffiliated/adem] has joined #ubuntu-ops === Smorg [i=Smorg@gateway/tor/x-8daf2bee9317563b] has left #ubuntu-ops [] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v tonyyarusso] by ChanServ === adem [n=adem@unaffiliated/adem] has joined #ubuntu-ops === grml [i=grml@gateway/tor/x-dc4eec1eee172624] has joined #ubuntu-ops === adem [n=adem@unaffiliated/adem] has joined #ubuntu-ops [10:12] hey, can some one kill this turd in #ubuntu-meeting for trolling [10:13] !ops damnit [10:13] Sorry, I don't know anything about ops damnit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v imbrandon] by ChanServ [10:17] heya fellas, whos got ops in #ubuntu-meeting [10:17] we need a ban [10:17] 15:16 * CgiSoft takes the code of conduct and flushes it down an open source toilet iwj [10:17] 15:16 < atoponce> !ops JanC [10:17] 15:16 -!- CgiSoft [n=cgi-guy@c-24-127-89-75.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] [10:19] hehe [10:19] they are sleeping ;p === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has joined #ubuntu-ops === xblackfire [n=strafe@165.98.237.136] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-ops [10:27] nixternal, did you report our CoCo breach here already? [10:29] Ok, Nix must be away [10:30] For any OPS who are monitoring, we had someone on #ubuntu-meeting trash the CoC and disrupt a meeting [10:30] * [CgiSoft] (n=cgi-guy@c-24-127-89-75.hsd1.va.comcast.net): cgi guy [10:30] * [CgiSoft] #ubuntu-us #ubuntu-meeting [10:30] * [CgiSoft] irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/ [10:30] * [CgiSoft] idle 00:00:57, signon: Sat Feb 24 13:53:40 [10:30] * [CgiSoft] End of WHOIS list. [10:30] Rinchen, it was reported but all the ops seem to be sleeping :( [10:30] The details about "flushing the Ubuntu CoC down the open source toliet" and other good stuff. [10:30] Thanks Pricey. [10:31] sorry I can't help :) [10:33] No worries. Just wanted to ensure someone logged it :-) === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Cheers"] === effie_jayx [n=valles@201.209.144.185] has joined #ubuntu-ops === m00v [i=KVIrc@gateway/tor/x-4a4249bb0c1bbbb2] has joined #ubuntu-ops === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v DBO] by ChanServ [11:03] ping nalioth [11:03] ping anyone [11:05] anyone? [11:05] you'll work fine [11:06] :) [11:06] can you do me a favor? [11:06] depends what it is :) [11:06] !proxy > m00v [11:07] can you tell Seveas that I will be away from IRC and the online community in general for short time (a couple weeks) due to, erm, personal issues I guess [11:07] yes ? [11:07] DBO, we can [11:07] Ok [11:07] my private life needs some closer attention right now [11:07] DBO, you could always leave a memoserv perhaps? [11:07] m00v, see the private message from ubotu [11:07] I trust you people more =) [11:07] hehe ok :) [11:07] DBO,you could mail him - he does read it - he does not see the memoserv [11:07] Hope you sort it all out, cya soon! [11:08] ompaul, I know, I was hoping to simply find him here [11:08] anyhow I hope you all will have me back when things are sorted on my end [11:08] thank you all [11:08] cheers [11:08] mind yourself [11:08] bye =) [11:08] no [11:08] c ya l8r [11:08] all well [11:08] ahh well === Seeker` [n=cjo20@84-12-195-25.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-ops === m00v [i=KVIrc@gateway/tor/x-4a4249bb0c1bbbb2] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Bye] [11:10] PriceChild, what was that about proxy? [11:10] !proxy [11:11] The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer. [11:11] Attention tor users. You may think you are anonymous, but you are not. Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself. Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc. If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks [11:11] re: earlier, very few people have ops in -meeting, so it can be hard to find one on the rare occasion that it's needed. [11:11] ompaul, basically he got forwarded here from ubuntu because he has a tor connection [11:11] PriceChild, k [11:11] tonyyarusso, I just filed a bug about that === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-151.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-ops [11:13] helllllp [11:14] Major lag here, so trouble taking on #ubuntu spammers :P [11:14] ompaul, to the rescue [11:15] tonyyarusso, got it [11:15] PriceChild, do -readtopic please [11:15] if your not voiced [11:15] let me know === Vorian [n=vorian@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-ops === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [11:17] ompaul: thanks === cables [n=cables@65-78-17-151.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-ops ["Leaving"] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-ops === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+v PriceChild] by ChanServ [11:28] ompaul, ctrl+x closing xchat keeps catching me :'( [11:29] ahhh === ikonia has a request [11:43] ask and you may be denied / granted [11:43] :) [11:44] ikonia, ^^ [11:47] super [11:47] just wanted to see if anyone was listening === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o ompaul] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+b %*!*@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] by ompaul === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o ompaul] by ChanServ [11:48] I can't hear you :P === mode/#ubuntu-ops [+o ompaul] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-b %*!*@alesi.projecthugo.co.uk] by ompaul === mode/#ubuntu-ops [-o ompaul] by ChanServ [11:48] my request is simple - I would like to request that the policy on using ubot output redirection is directed using a pm ">" rather than on screen as the ammount of ubot abuse (not bad - just over use) is making the channel very confusing, eg: constant !nvidia !wireless !mp3 !etc [11:48] it would be nicer if the policy was !nvidia >$user [11:49] I appriciate its a big ask, and just request consideration [11:49] then you have to explain to the user what a PM is [11:49] ikonia, if you want to put it in as bug on launchpad but I don't think it would come to pass [11:49] not really - with a minor change to ubot so the output is auto directed to > rather than | [11:49] I don't think it would either, I was just curious on you guys views on it [11:50] I would be opposed to it [11:50] if it was just me that found it frustrating or if it was a genuine problem [11:50] ahhh interesting, could you explain [11:50] as I use this | [11:50] ompaul: yes, but that still outputs to screen [11:50] it means that people who don't know stuff can see it [11:50] and in a channel of 1k + users [11:50] eg: "!restrictedformats" is about 8 lines long [11:50] that is a bit over the top [11:50] ompaul: yes, thats why I didn't put the bot on ignore [11:51] I used to put the likes of that in on 1 line and point to a url [11:51] hmm [11:51] but the last few days everyone is !nvidia !help !wirless !etc and its just making the channel impossible to follow [11:51] its only been bad of late [11:51] hence why its only just frustrated me [11:51] well I'll talk with seveas about making them shorter [11:51] I appriciate I'm one user, never hurts to ask though [11:52] ikonia: so, /msg ubotu tell soandso about msg the bot ;) [11:52] swap to the channel - in under a minute 3 people have done !worksforme [11:53] tonyyarusso: could do - but every user ? hence why I was requesting a policy update [11:53] I was just curious to feedback if it was frustrating anyone else, or just me finding it a bit tiresome [11:53] not sure' [11:54] just thought it may be interesting to discuss [11:54] then lead by example with ! foo > user [11:54] happy to be wrong on this [11:54] ompaul: I already do [11:54] also tell others verbosely in the channel [11:54] :) [11:54] I try - but its not my place to [11:54] hence discussion here [11:55] happy to be wrong on it, just thought I'd see what you guys thought [11:55] please stop saying happy to be wrong [11:55] well, I just didn't want to be "pushy" on it like I was moaning, I was just interested [11:55] I wonder if you should to !msgthebot [11:56] !msgthebot [11:56] Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops... [11:56] ompaul: but then thats another !something on screen that keeps "appearing" [11:56] maybe I could expand that to usebot [11:56] I was trying to reduce the ammount of !noise on screen [11:56] you need to break eggs to make an omlette [11:56] eg: - look at this [11:56] so if your !noise is towards [11:56] !restricted [11:56] got the updates [11:56] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [11:56] I cam seeing it [11:57] ahhh [11:57] didn't see you in channel [11:57] !multimedia and !resolution 3 lines apart just flooded my screen [11:57] you made your point about 10 minutes ago [11:58] ooh right [11:58] so I tried to enter a discussion with you and you keep saying the same stuff [11:58] now can we work on this? [11:58] wasn't sure it was clear how often its happening [11:58] sure, happy to work on it [11:58] my idea is that I make a nice little short one [11:58] thats a great step [11:58] that is like one line [11:58] less is more [11:58] just the URL for example [11:58] explains how to tell a user using the bot [11:58] no [11:58] ooh [11:58] missed the point [11:59] you need to tell someone what they are doing [11:59] ok [11:59] explain [11:59] so if you put a really detailed web page up [11:59] explaining a "full case http://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse [11:59] and we prefix this with [12:00] #ubuntu will be scrolling past too fast even without ubotu responses [12:00] so it looks like: !goodbotuse > user [12:00] and that factoid says [12:00] any word on the wrt54g's patching the bug yet? [12:01] ompaul: that seems a reasonable step [12:01] to use the bot better - have it message the information to the user - it is easier for them to access and does not create noise in the channel please see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse for more information [12:01] ompaul: I see where you're going [12:02]