[12:25] <elkbuntu> i hope we get to go :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yep :
[12:26] <Hobbsee> D
[01:03] <transgress> yeah i need some sort of test to show i changed ports
[01:04] <PriceChild> transgress, be patient and an op will be with you in a minute or two... don't run! :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> transgress: done, thanks :)
[01:07] <transgress> thanks
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee, elkbuntu: So I'm reading a book about visiting Australia, and he keeps going on about how many venomous creatures there are there.  Ever had an unfortunate encounter?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> no
[01:50] <Hobbsee> oh, a couple
[01:50] <Hobbsee> nothing major though
[01:51] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: you are surrounded by venemous creatures all around you, have you ever been encountered?
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: So "nothing major" in Australian means like there are only funnel web spiders in three of the eight corners of my bedroom?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, i have redbacks, do tehy count?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: sure.  :)
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, then yes, only in 3 corners :)
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, what does 'unfortunate encounter' entail anyway?
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: dunno, some venom, a day or two in a hospital, last rites, that sort of thing.
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, dont remember having died before
[01:56] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: most folks you talk to here live in metropolises of various sizes. not so many venemous animals (just like in north america)
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> a shoe sandwich?  chewy
[01:57] <nalioth> i find your line of questioning insulting, actually.  perhaps i'm reading it wrong
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> Oh?  Didn't mean it like that at all...
[01:58] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: here in NorthAM, we have venomous snakes, lizards, spiders, and probably some other forms of life i can't remember atm.  just because you live in NorthAM, do you have to watch where you step all the time?
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: No, but we don't have as many.  The author is writing about this while in the suburbs of Sydney, btw.  Apparently they have a number of the "most poisonous _____" sorts of things.
[02:03] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: go ahead and visit Australia.  I think you'll be fine (no matter what that author thinks)
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> I'd love to sometime.  Will probably do my dream trip of the north half first though (every country that touches the Arctic Ocean and/or Artic Circle)
[02:10] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, b0rt said: ubotu: beryl is working really nice on aiglx, but emerald seems to have some problems to load windows decorations
[02:29] <ubotu> In ubotu, Bubblemanx said: where is console?
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> !terminal
[02:30] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> !tell Bubblemanx about terminal
[02:33] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, remote control noob assistance. Cool. ;)
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: You should have seen the day I compiled and installed something for a guy via VNC while he was in the shower.
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> I had a root console on the machine of someone I didn't know - it was crazy.
[02:35] <Madpilot> then went looking for his sekrit pr0n stash before he got out of the shower?
[02:35] <Madpilot> a very trusting noob
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> lol, there are some things I'd rather not know ;)
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> people can be insanly trusting
[02:38] <ompaul> no people can be insane
[02:39] <Madpilot> s/can/are
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl.
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: You're the only person that I know has PPC machines.  It would be nice if I could have access to a PPC pbuilder, if that's a possibility through your or anyone else (either run by me or you, doesn't matter)
[03:34] <elkbuntu> nalioth, ubot3 is on the same connection as you?
[03:34] <nalioth> yes, unfortunately
[03:35] <nalioth> where did it go?
[03:35] <nalioth> looks like the bot is returning to its haunts
[03:36] <elkbuntu> nowhere, it needs to do some ghost slaying as well
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: machine back up and ready?
[03:50] <nalioth> stand by please
[03:50] <nalioth> don't make me grumble
[03:52] <tonyyarusso> Happy to do so - troubleshooting an issue I found anyway; might be a while.
[04:32] <arrenlex> (20:22:04) bird603568 [n=bird@c-71-58-92-236.hsd1.pa.comcast.net]  entered the room.
[04:32] <arrenlex> (20:26:52) bird603568: you guys suck cock
[04:33] <arrenlex> Could you ban 'im?
[04:33] <arrenlex> You didn't respond to the !ops...
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> arrenlex: He quit.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> If he comes back we will.
[04:33] <arrenlex> Aight.
[04:43] <thc|work> shit... why isn't it letting me in #ubuntu - this nick's registered
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> !proxy | thc|work
[04:44] <ubotu> thc|work: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[04:44] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[04:44] <thc|work> nah i know, i've been through this before but i thought i'd be allowed in with a registered nick
[04:44] <thc|work> and i'm connecting through port 8001
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> You can use a cloak, but a registered nick isn't enough for this particular issue
[04:46] <thc|work> shitter...
[04:46] <thc|work> i don't wanna be anon
[04:46] <thc|work> i just am because i'm using irc at work... no way round it
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> So ask for an unaffil. cloak?
[04:47] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: language please
[04:47] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: won't work
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> eh?
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> thc|work: You could also try #ubuntu-offtopic if it's a temporary sort of issue - either someone might know, or they might be able to relay to #ubuntu, since I don't think that chan blocks proxies.
[04:49] <thc|work> ahh oki.. i only wanted to make general chat about it
[04:50] <thc|work> i'm a new user and just looking to soak up as much as i can
[04:50] <nalioth> thc|work: #ubuntu-offtopic will work fine
[04:50] <nalioth> we don't allow gateway users in #ubuntu due to abuse
[04:50] <thc|work> that's fair enough
[04:51] <nalioth> after you've been here a while and we see you interacting in other #ubuntu-* channels, sometimes exceptions can be made
[04:51] <thc|work> ahh fair due's
[04:51] <thc|work> so you're taking the precaution incase i'm blagging you and trying to abuse ubuntu... fair enough lol
[04:51] <thc|work> you can never take a man on irc by face vallue
[05:06] <ericz> eh.. i got redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic, now connected on port 8001, when will i be able to join #ubuntu?
[05:07] <nalioth> ericz: join me in #moderation please
[05:09] <nalioth> ericz: you can rejoin #ubuntu now. thanks for your patience
[05:09] <ericz> sure, no problem
[05:12] <thc|work> tell me nalioth, what's going on here?
[05:12] <nalioth> thc|work: /msg ubotu exploit
[05:14] <thc|work> hmm but i did nothing wrong, nor do i plan to
[05:15] <nalioth> thc|work: ubotu is an info bot
[05:15] <nalioth> be informed
[07:22] <ShaneP> I believe I'm in the wrong channel..what is the ubuntu support channel? I thought it was #ubuntu
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> !proxy | ShaneP
[07:23] <ubotu> ShaneP: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[07:23] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[07:32] <ShaneP> hey smorg
[07:32] <Smorg> Hi
[07:32] <ShaneP> I guess using this irc gateway is banned from ubuntu
[07:33] <ShaneP> (with tor)
[07:33] <Smorg> yeah is there an actual ubuntu channel?
[07:33] <Smorg> yeah this is tor
[07:33] <Smorg> #kubuntu works
[07:33] <ShaneP> yeah, i guess tor is banned
[07:34] <ShaneP> they say it's not completely anonymous yet my ip is hidden and that's enough for me
[07:34] <Smorg> Its basically completely anonymous if you use it properly
[07:34] <ShaneP> but i guess it's not with irc..that's what the links say
[07:35] <ShaneP> did it show you some links saying it was banned on here for you?
[07:35] <Smorg> Any sort of traffic analysis involves crude things such as data timeing correlation etc
[07:35] <Smorg> why wouldn't it be?
[07:35] <Smorg> its encrypted end to end
[07:35] <Smorg> any data will be anonymous with the exception of the exit node
[07:35] <ShaneP> http://tor.unixgu.ru/
[07:35] <Smorg> oh well they can detect you are a tor user
[07:35] <Smorg> thats easy
[07:36] <Smorg> the exit nodes are all publicly known
[07:36] <ShaneP> Let me know what you think of that link
[07:36] <Smorg> of course they have to be for tor to function
[07:38] <nalioth> ladies and gentlemen, this is not a social channel, if you want access to #ubuntu, Freenode offers cloaks for anonymity and it also offers "gpg-tor" access which is not shunned by some of the channels here
[07:39] <Smorg> ah it just kicks you to this chan
[07:39] <Smorg> appologies
[07:40] <nalioth> http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml  Smorg
[07:47] <Myrtti> I was just thinking, what's the policy on away messages currently
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: No public ones, generally.  (sometimes tolerated in smaller channels, but just don't)
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> Use /away instead
[07:49] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: yeah. I asked because I tried to discuss the issue on a particular channel, but since no change was happening and I got frustrated everytime I saw public aways, I left the channel
[07:49] <Myrtti> I wasn't contributing there anyway so it didn't matter that I left
[07:50] <nalioth> Myrtti: /away messages suck
[07:50] <nalioth> !tell Myrtti about guidelines
[07:50] <Myrtti> they really do, I know
[07:51] <Myrtti> and yes, I know the guidelines, it's me, you know ;-)
[07:51] <nalioth> Myrtti: just sic ubuto on 'em  :)
[07:51] <nalioth> or ubotu even
[07:52] <Myrtti> well I didn't really want to rub it on people, I tried nicely with discussion
[07:53] <nalioth> so /msg ubotu tell NICK about guidelines
[07:53] <nalioth> it'll tell 'em who sent it
[07:53] <Myrtti> I don't particularly like using bots telling people what I can tell them myself
[07:53] <Myrtti> it's so... hmmm, so...
[07:54] <Myrtti> outsourced
[07:54] <Myrtti> I like to talk to people with no proxies
[07:54] <Myrtti> since I still know how to type and think
[07:55] <Myrtti> but now I need to relogin, xfce has forgotten some of my settings
[08:51] <arrenlex> Could we have a blurb about install.exe pointing you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype
[08:51] <arrenlex> Perhaps with many giant beta warnings?
[09:47] <elkbuntu> mneptok, they're talking about you on -motu, go scare them :
[09:47] <elkbuntu> well drat, one of them's in here, that ruined it
[10:34] <mneptok> heheh
[10:42] <elkbuntu> bah. if you're having a good day so far, dont read sounder
[11:18] <kgoetz> yay for having unsubscribed yesterday :D
[11:18] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:18] <elkbuntu> kgoetz, jbj suggested a... homebrew repo
[11:18] <elkbuntu> ie, a cesspool of support nightmare
[11:18] <Seveas> @t
[11:19] <Seveas> meh
[11:19] <kgoetz> elkbuntu: what, another one?
[11:19] <kgoetz> or a united one ?:S
[11:19] <elkbuntu> kgoetz, a united one
[11:19] <elkbuntu> he's a tool, remember
[11:19] <elkbuntu> i replied anyway, and somehow managed to keep the CoC intact
[11:20] <kgoetz> i forget fast, but less then a week since i nearly snapped over a post from him i think i remember ;)
[11:21] <elkbuntu> i just reminded you in PM
[11:21] <kgoetz> oh thankyou *looks*
[11:25] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.mess.enabled True
[11:25] <Seveas> @esr
[11:25] <Seveas> @esr
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Eric Raymond was reborn; from a skinny lame kid with a flute into a shaman and a vessel of the Goat-Foot God, the Piper at the Gates of Dawn, the Horned Lord. The music was his first power, but not his last.
[11:25] <Seveas> @esr
[11:26] <kgoetz> o_0
[11:26] <kgoetz> wth?
[11:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> @t
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Mr. T actually does sell sea shells by the sea shore. Mainly to support his $500,000 a day gold chain habit.
[12:33] <ikonia> anyone awake
[12:38] <elkbuntu> already dealt, tsmithe
[12:38] <tsmithe> elkbuntu, kk
[12:38] <kgoetz> eek. how many Hobbsee__ 's do we need :S
[12:38] <elkbuntu> kgoetz, i know. one is more than enough
[12:39] <Hobbsee> kgoetz: lots!
[12:39] <elkbuntu> tsmithe, careful. they hunt like velocir raptors
[12:39] <tsmithe> elkbuntu, that's ok. i've dealt with them many a time
[12:40] <elkbuntu> rpf;
[12:40] <tsmithe> hehe - Hobbsee__ pounced on my dummy!
[12:40] <elkbuntu> rofl*
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Fetched 204MB in 6m22s (532kB/s) yay :)
[12:40] <tsmithe> lucky beggar
[12:41] <kgoetz> Hobbsee: thats a bit slow :P
[12:41] <tsmithe> i get a tenth that
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:41] <kgoetz> hehe
[12:41] <kgoetz> tsmithe: thats still twice as fast as my home connection
[12:41] <tsmithe> that is my home connection ;)
[12:41] <tsmithe> used to be 200 :'(
[12:41] <kgoetz> :(
[12:44] <kgoetz> *hugs* Hobbsee* - now control that cloneing :P
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:45] <tsmithe> how tiny is it?
[12:49] <Hobbsee__> 1024x768 - it's not that small
[12:49] <Hobbsee__> but compared to my dell widescreen...
[12:52] <kgoetz> closer... closer...
[12:52] <kgoetz> (and scarier too)
[02:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, HymnToLife said: names is <reply> For info about why Ubuntu releases are named as they are, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[02:14] <Pricey> !names
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about names - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <Pricey> !search name
[02:14] <ubotu> Found: kernel, appsy, warty, username, alsa-source, tab, questions-#ubuntu-classroom-chat, scp, strigi, usernames
[02:15] <Pricey> !waty
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about waty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <Pricey> !warty
[02:15] <ubotu> warty was the first release of Ubuntu. Version 4.10, codename "Warty Warthog"
[02:15] <Pricey> !name is <alias> codenames
[02:15] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pricey said: !name is <alias> codenames
[02:16] <Pricey> %login
[02:16] <Pricey> !name is <alias> codenames
[02:16] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Pricey said: !name is <alias> codenames
[02:16] <Pricey> @login
[02:16] <Pricey> !login
[02:16] <ubotu> login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[02:16] <Pricey> grrr
[02:16] <kgoetz> heh :/
[02:16] <Jucato> maybe it only knows you as Price_Child?
[02:16] <PriceChild> !name is <alias> codenames
[02:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that, PriceChild
[02:16] <PriceChild> woo :)
[02:16] <Jucato> :D
[02:17] <kgoetz> :D
[02:20] <gnomefreak> %login
[02:20] <gnomefreak> what are you expecting?
[02:20] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, well when I use my "Pricey" alternate nick it won't accept me
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:21] <PriceChild> So hopefully the login can just look at the cloak instead of the entire thing
[04:29] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
[10:12] <nixternal> hey, can some one kill this turd in #ubuntu-meeting for trolling
[10:13] <nixternal> !ops damnit
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ops damnit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <imbrandon> heya fellas, whos got ops in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:17] <imbrandon> we need a ban
[10:17] <imbrandon> 15:16  * CgiSoft takes the code of conduct and flushes it down an open source toilet                                                                                                                 iwj
[10:17] <imbrandon> 15:16 < atoponce> !ops                                                                                                                                                                               JanC
[10:17] <imbrandon> 15:16 -!- CgiSoft [n=cgi-guy@c-24-127-89-75.hsd1.va.comcast.net]  has quit [] 
[10:19] <nixternal> hehe
[10:19] <nixternal> they are sleeping ;p
[10:27] <Rinchen> nixternal, did you report our CoCo breach here already?
[10:29] <Rinchen> Ok, Nix must be away
[10:30] <Rinchen> For any OPS who are monitoring, we had someone on #ubuntu-meeting trash the CoC and disrupt a meeting
[10:30] <Rinchen> * [CgiSoft]  (n=cgi-guy@c-24-127-89-75.hsd1.va.comcast.net): cgi guy
[10:30] <Rinchen> * [CgiSoft]  #ubuntu-us #ubuntu-meeting
[10:30] <Rinchen> * [CgiSoft]  irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[10:30] <Rinchen> * [CgiSoft]  idle 00:00:57, signon: Sat Feb 24 13:53:40
[10:30] <Rinchen> * [CgiSoft]  End of WHOIS list.
[10:30] <PriceChild> Rinchen, it was reported but all the ops seem to be sleeping :(
[10:30] <Rinchen> The details about "flushing the Ubuntu CoC down the open source toliet" and other good stuff.
[10:30] <Rinchen> Thanks Pricey.
[10:31] <PriceChild> sorry I can't help :)
[10:33] <Rinchen> No worries. Just wanted to ensure someone logged it :-)
[11:03] <DBO> ping nalioth
[11:03] <DBO> ping anyone
[11:05] <PriceChild> anyone?
[11:05] <DBO> you'll work fine
[11:06] <PriceChild> :)
[11:06] <DBO> can you do me a favor?
[11:06] <PriceChild> depends what it is :)
[11:06] <PriceChild> !proxy > m00v
[11:07] <DBO> can you tell Seveas that I will be away from IRC and the online community in general for short time (a couple weeks) due to, erm, personal issues I guess
[11:07] <m00v> yes ?
[11:07] <ompaul> DBO, we can
[11:07] <PriceChild> Ok
[11:07] <DBO> my private life needs some closer attention right now
[11:07] <PriceChild> DBO, you could always leave a memoserv perhaps?
[11:07] <PriceChild> m00v, see the private message from ubotu
[11:07] <DBO> I trust you people more =)
[11:07] <PriceChild> hehe ok :)
[11:07] <ompaul> DBO,you could mail him - he does read it - he does not see the memoserv
[11:07] <PriceChild> Hope you sort it all out, cya soon!
[11:08] <DBO> ompaul, I know, I was hoping to simply find him here
[11:08] <DBO> anyhow I hope you all will have me back when things are sorted on my end
[11:08] <DBO> thank you all
[11:08] <ompaul> cheers
[11:08] <ompaul> mind yourself
[11:08] <DBO> bye =)
[11:08] <ompaul> no
[11:08] <ompaul> c ya l8r
[11:08] <ompaul> all well
[11:08] <ompaul> ahh well
[11:10] <ompaul> PriceChild, what was that about proxy?
[11:10] <PriceChild> !proxy
[11:11] <ubotu> The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[11:11] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> re: earlier, very few people have ops in -meeting, so it can be hard to find one on the rare occasion that it's needed.
[11:11] <PriceChild> ompaul, basically he got forwarded here from ubuntu because he has a tor connection
[11:11] <ompaul> PriceChild, k
[11:11] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, I just filed a bug about that
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> helllllp
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Major lag here, so trouble taking on #ubuntu spammers :P
[11:14] <PriceChild> ompaul, to the rescue
[11:15] <ompaul> tonyyarusso, got it
[11:15] <ompaul> PriceChild, do -readtopic please
[11:15] <ompaul> if your not voiced
[11:15] <ompaul> let me know
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> ompaul: thanks
[11:28] <PriceChild> ompaul, ctrl+x closing xchat keeps catching me :'(
[11:29] <ompaul> ahhh
[11:43] <ompaul> ask and you may be denied / granted
[11:43] <ompaul> :)
[11:44] <ompaul> ikonia, ^^
[11:47] <ikonia> super
[11:47] <ikonia> just wanted to see if anyone was listening
[11:48] <ompaul> I can't hear you :P
[11:48] <ikonia> my request is simple - I would like to request that the policy on using ubot output redirection is directed using a pm ">" rather than on screen as the ammount of ubot abuse (not bad - just over use) is making the channel very confusing, eg: constant !nvidia !wireless !mp3 !etc
[11:48] <ikonia> it would be nicer if the policy was !nvidia >$user
[11:49] <ikonia> I appriciate its a big ask, and just request consideration
[11:49] <ompaul> then you have to explain to the user what a PM is
[11:49] <ompaul> ikonia, if you want to put it in as bug on launchpad but I don't think it would come to pass
[11:49] <ikonia> not really - with a minor change to ubot so the output is auto directed to > rather than |
[11:49] <ikonia> I don't think it would either, I was just curious on you guys views on it
[11:50] <ompaul>  I would be opposed to it
[11:50] <ikonia> if it was just me that found it frustrating or if it was a genuine problem
[11:50] <ikonia> ahhh interesting, could you explain
[11:50] <ompaul> as I use this |
[11:50] <ikonia> ompaul: yes, but that still outputs to screen
[11:50] <ompaul> it means that people who don't know stuff can see it
[11:50] <ompaul> and in a channel of 1k + users
[11:50] <ikonia> eg: "!restrictedformats" is about 8 lines long
[11:50] <ompaul> that is a bit over the top
[11:50] <ikonia> ompaul: yes, thats why I didn't put the bot on ignore
[11:51] <ompaul> I used to put the likes of that in on 1 line and point to a url
[11:51] <ompaul> hmm
[11:51] <ikonia> but the last few days everyone is !nvidia !help !wirless !etc and its just making the channel impossible to follow
[11:51] <ikonia> its only been bad of late
[11:51] <ikonia> hence why its only just frustrated me
[11:51] <ompaul> well I'll talk with seveas about making them shorter
[11:51] <ikonia> I appriciate I'm one user, never hurts to ask though
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> ikonia: so, /msg ubotu tell soandso about msg the bot  ;)
[11:52] <ikonia> swap to the channel - in under a minute 3 people have done !worksforme
[11:53] <ikonia> tonyyarusso: could do - but every user ? hence why I was requesting a policy update
[11:53] <ikonia> I was just curious to feedback if it was frustrating anyone else, or just me finding it a bit tiresome
[11:53] <tonyyarusso> not sure'
[11:54] <ikonia> just thought it may be interesting to discuss
[11:54] <ompaul> then lead by example with ! foo > user
[11:54] <ikonia> happy to be wrong on this
[11:54] <ikonia> ompaul: I already do
[11:54] <ompaul> also tell others verbosely in the channel
[11:54] <ompaul> :)
[11:54] <ikonia> I try - but its not my place to
[11:54] <ikonia> hence discussion here
[11:55] <ikonia> happy to be wrong on it, just thought I'd see what you guys thought
[11:55] <ompaul> please stop saying happy to be wrong
[11:55] <ikonia> well, I just didn't want to be "pushy" on it like I was moaning, I was just interested
[11:55] <ompaul> I wonder if you should to !msgthebot
[11:56] <ompaul>  !msgthebot
[11:56] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:56] <ikonia> ompaul: but then thats another !something on screen that keeps "appearing"
[11:56] <ompaul> maybe I could expand that to usebot
[11:56] <ikonia> I was trying to reduce the ammount of !noise on screen
[11:56] <ompaul> you need to break eggs to make an omlette
[11:56] <ikonia> eg: - look at this
[11:56] <ompaul> so if your !noise is towards
 !restricted
 got the updates
 For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:56] <ompaul> I cam seeing it
[11:57] <ikonia> ahhh
[11:57] <ikonia> didn't see you in channel
[11:57] <ikonia> !multimedia and !resolution 3 lines apart just flooded my screen
[11:57] <ompaul> you made your point about 10 minutes ago
[11:58] <ikonia> ooh right
[11:58] <ompaul> so I tried to enter a discussion with you and you keep saying the same stuff
[11:58] <ompaul> now can we work on this?
[11:58] <ikonia> wasn't sure it was clear how often its happening
[11:58] <ikonia> sure, happy to work on it
[11:58] <ompaul> my idea is that I make a nice little short one
[11:58] <ikonia> thats a great step
[11:58] <ompaul> that is like one line
[11:58] <ikonia> less is more
[11:58] <ikonia> just the URL for example
[11:58] <ompaul> explains how to tell a user using the bot
[11:58] <ompaul> no
[11:58] <ikonia> ooh
[11:58] <ikonia> missed the point
[11:59] <ompaul> you need to tell someone what they are doing
[11:59] <ikonia> ok
[11:59] <ikonia> explain
[11:59] <ompaul> so if you put a really detailed web page up
[11:59] <ompaul> explaining a "full case http://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse
[11:59] <ompaul> and we prefix this with
[12:00] <mc44> #ubuntu will be scrolling past too fast even without ubotu responses
[12:00] <ompaul> so it looks like: !goodbotuse > user
[12:00] <ompaul> and that factoid says
[12:00] <trollboy> any word on the wrt54g's patching the bug yet?
[12:01] <ikonia> ompaul: that seems a reasonable step
[12:01] <ompaul> to use the bot better - have it message the information to the user - it is easier for them to access and does not create noise in the channel please see  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse for more information
[12:01] <ikonia> ompaul: I see where you're going
[12:02] <ompaul> then say OI user read message from bot
[12:02] <ikonia> yes, thats a start
[12:02] <ikonia> could see how it goes
[12:02] <ompaul> ikonia, so I can leave that wiki page for you
[12:02] <ikonia> review it at a later data
[12:02] <ompaul> then come back to me
[12:02] <ikonia> ompaul: if you'd like me to write it, I'd be happy
[12:03] <ompaul> well it is your idea I am just advising how you can achieve your goal
[12:03] <ikonia> ompaul: no problem, I'll write it
[12:03] <ikonia> thanks for the feedback