[12:32] <syamajala> e is building now
[12:32] <syamajala> i forgot to install the png dev libs the first time i built it
[12:32] <syamajala> it got stuck at building the wm because edje didn't know what to do with the png files for something
[12:45] <syamajala> its not bad
[12:45] <syamajala> i'm gonna build entrance now
[12:48] <syamajala> yeah
[12:48] <syamajala> i used to have a cluster of amd64 systems for building stuff
[12:48] <syamajala> used to maintain a 64bit port of a distro
[12:48] <syamajala> but i just stopped one day and sold all my systems
[12:49] <maxamillion> oh wow ... a cluster and a maintainer, you have been quite the busy bee
[12:53] <maxamillion> gotta run ... getting off work
[01:32] <Jester45> !dididie
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dididie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <moparisthebest> how can I edit what is in the applications menu?
[02:42] <magic_ninja> how do i start another virtual terminal
[02:44] <Sharn> moparisthebest, I'm assuming you mean in XFCE. Apps > Settings > Menu Editor
[02:49] <moparisthebest> Sharn, thats the first place I looked
[02:49] <moparisthebest> but I cant edit the contents of each folder
[02:49] <moparisthebest> system, network, etc etc
[02:51] <syamajala> i can't get entrance to work
[02:51] <syamajala> it looks cool though.
[03:03] <kryos> Anyone know where detailed info on editing xorg, etc for old machine using serial mouse,...
[03:12] <moparisthebest> how can I refresh the desktop?
[03:12] <moparisthebest> I just deleted all of the files on there but they still show
[03:12] <syamajala> anyone wanna paste there menu.lst
[03:13] <moparisthebest> I can syamajala, but its pretty edited
[03:13] <Grey_Loki> moparisthebest, I think 'f5' does the trick
[03:13] <syamajala> thats ok
[03:13] <syamajala> i'm trying to get usplash to work
[03:13] <moparisthebest> haha, can't get easier than that, thanks Grey_Loki
[03:13] <moparisthebest> I had to disable the splash for my video card syamajala
[03:14] <moparisthebest> still want it?
[03:14] <syamajala> oh
[03:14] <syamajala> not really then...
[03:14] <moparisthebest> it wasn't playing nice with nvidia, idk why
[03:17] <syamajala> i'm using yaboot anyway...
[03:18] <moparisthebest> is that a boot manager?
[03:18] <moparisthebest> (I assume so)
[03:18] <syamajala> its for ppc
[03:18] <moparisthebest> oh ok
[03:18] <syamajala> i got a splash screen
[03:18] <syamajala> but its ugly
[03:18] <moparisthebest> Ive only ever used GRUB
[03:18] <syamajala> green.
[03:18] <moparisthebest> LILO once, but it was a bad time :P
[03:19] <syamajala> i wonder if i can still pass vga=
[03:27] <Sharn> GRUB > LILO
[03:27] <Sharn> =P
[03:30] <fxr> where would i get amd64 versions of these deb packages, kernel-package libncurses5-dev .. i wanna burn them to cd and move to an uninternet connected pc
[03:31] <moparisthebest> the amd64 section of the repository
[03:32] <moparisthebest> I believe it uses http protocol, so c&p the url into your browser and get the packages you need
[03:32] <fxr> ok right so im having trouble navigating it....
[03:33] <moparisthebest> I take it you aren't on a 64bit machine right now?
[03:34] <fxr> no, its sitting beside me.. its not on the internet.. i need these packages to take to it.. m on my 32bit machine..
[03:35] <kalikiana> How can I open/convert a MS Works file?
[03:35] <posingaspopular> kalikiana: open office wont work?
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> what would cause x to crash when changing the resolution?
[03:37] <kalikiana> posingaspopular, I don't have OOo atm, would it open those files?
[03:37] <vidd_laptop> kalikiana, what files?
[03:37] <posingaspopular> kalikiana: im pretty sure it does, give me a second to confirm
[03:37] <kalikiana> vidd, it's some wps file I got in a mail.
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> wps?
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> not familiar with that extention
[03:38] <kalikiana> Me neither. :/
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> what app made it?
[03:38] <Grey_Loki> kalikiana, I usually return said file with a little note explaining how propriatary formats are killing global communications :P
[03:39] <posingaspopular> kalikiana: no. works sucks, and even OOo wont open it
[03:39] <kalikiana> Grey_Loki, It's from a relative, so if it works I don't want to bother them. :)
[03:40] <kalikiana> posingaspopular, Thank you for trying.
[03:40] <posingaspopular> np
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> they used M$ works to make?
[03:40] <kalikiana> I guess so, it comes with some PCs preinstalled, doesn't it?
[03:41] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, .wps is a wordperfect document.
[03:41] <Grey_Loki> http://forums.techguy.org/archive-business-applications/41168-solved-what-wps-file-format.html
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> OOo cant open wordperfect documents?
[03:42] <posingaspopular> vidd_laptop: apparently not.
[03:42] <posingaspopular> how ghei is that
[03:43] <fxr> right i just have to find, libncurses5-dev does anyone know where on the ubuntu repos tree this package lives.. ??
[03:43] <kalikiana> Grey_Loki, MS recommends to save in a different format to open it in their own office :P
[03:44] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, I just read that
[03:49] <vidd> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz @ 2.27GHz]  mem[Physical : 439MB, 73.5% free]  disk[Total : 108.80GB, 93.10% Free]  video[VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP]  sound[] 
[03:50] <syamajala> woot woot
[03:50] <vidd> got an issue....
[03:50] <syamajala> suspend-to-disk works now
[03:50] <Icarus> Just a very quick question about xubuntu. Although xfce is fantastic, it's still not light-weight enough for me. I want to put [open|flux|black] box on instead. Can anyone point me in the direction to start a different window manager on boot?
[03:51] <vidd> i tried to change the resolution on this new box and i just get the log on screen
[03:52] <Jester45> Icarus: sudo apt-get install *box
[03:53] <Jester45> Icarus: then logout and click on sessions then click your *box then mark it as defualt
[03:54] <Icarus> Jester: Will that change the scripts to start the new wm automatically, I will I need to edit them manually?
[03:54] <rswitzer> can anyone help me configure multiple sound cards?
[03:57] <Jester45> Icarus: when you install the new wm then it gets added to the possible sessions then if you make it default you will normaly login to the new wm and not xfce
[03:58] <Icarus> Jester: Excellent, thanks for the help mate!
[04:02] <Jester45> Icarus: np
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> is there an issue with the "get Xubuntu" link!!!
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> getting 404 Not Found error!!!!
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> i have a desktop (just built) that has a 64 bit intel processor that will only install from the x86 install disk....
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> now i cant get it to boot into a terminal window or change the resolution
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> is this a known issue?
[04:10] <neighborlee> hi there
[04:10] <neighborlee> I just loaded this up..works great so far, although where is the icon notifier of updates...
[04:11] <neighborlee> also I installed nvidia-glx, but sudo nvidia-glx-config enable says: Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed .??\
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> it is disabled by default
[04:11] <neighborlee> thx anyone
[04:11] <neighborlee> ahh why is that ?
[04:11] <vidd_laptop> idk
[04:11] <neighborlee> ah
[04:12] <neighborlee> odd, I thought xuubntu was ubuntu just lighter afa wm goes
[04:12] <neighborlee> o_0
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> Applications>system>update manager
[04:12] <neighborlee> ah
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> I think it is because there is a known issue with it
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> or there was....
[04:12] <neighborlee> even in ubuntu, or just atm with xubuntu
[04:13] <neighborlee> hm it says I can  change this behavior
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> upgrading from dapper to edgy...still is for all so far as i know
[04:13] <neighborlee> software sources on the internet updates tab
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> yes...you can.....
[04:13] <neighborlee> na it works fine in edgy last I checked
[04:13] <vidd_laptop> just disabled by default
[04:13] <neighborlee> gotch
[04:13] <neighborlee> a
[04:15] <neighborlee> any idea about the nvidia thing
[04:15] <neighborlee> I had same problem in edgy when I tried nvidia-glx
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> sorry....im clueless
[04:15] <neighborlee> ah ok np
[04:15] <neighborlee> thx anyway
[04:18] <syamajala> anyone know where i can find old versions of packages?
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> what packages you need
[04:20] <vidd_laptop> ?
[04:20] <syamajala> kernel
[04:21] <syamajala> i found it
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> yer too quick
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[04:21] <underdog5004> I've got an nvidia Geforce2 go in my lappy...anyone have success with nvidia binary drivers or anything else to enable 3d?
[04:23] <underdog5004> vidd_laptop, how? I'm a total noob...
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> give me a second (or two) to fid the help page......
[04:24] <underdog5004> k
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> underdog5004, you trying to get beryl running?
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> section 2 of that page is the open drvers
[04:26] <underdog5004> yep. thanks a lot!
[04:26] <moparisthebest> it runs good:
[04:26] <moparisthebest> http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5909/beryl2eh6.png
[04:27] <moparisthebest> side view:
[04:27] <moparisthebest> http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2087/beryl3gm2.png
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> it ran great on my lappy for about 25 minutes
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> (then i got bored with it and shut it off)
[04:27] <underdog5004> I can't wait for beryl! I'm so excited!
[04:27] <underdog5004> you...shut it off?
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> it is a resource drain
[04:28] <moparisthebest> yea, I agree, not as exciting as it looks
[04:28] <moparisthebest> its fun to play with
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> (for about 25 minutes)
[04:28] <moparisthebest> I ran it for a few minutes and turned it off on KDE
[04:28] <underdog5004> lol, I just wanna show it off to my pro-vista friend
[04:29] <moparisthebest> but then I switched to xfce and got it configured nice and run it all the time
[04:29] <moparisthebest> it kind of helps organize stuff
[04:29] <moparisthebest> and I can watch the irc backwards while I program :P
[04:29] <underdog5004> yeah, just trying out xubuntu...I was mainly a kubuntu man...but then I got a lappy...a 733Mhz lappy
[04:29] <moparisthebest> I have 1gb of ram, kde runs fine
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1400MHz @ 1.40GHz]  mem[Physical : 724MB, 79.7% free]  disk[Total : 24.48GB, 50.10% Free]  video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device]  sound[] 
[04:30] <moparisthebest> it also runs fine on my cousin's 512mb of ram
[04:30] <vidd_laptop> it runs ok
[04:30] <moparisthebest> thats about what my cousin runs, 512 ram and amd athlon xp 2200+
[04:30] <underdog5004> I've got KDE cooking on a 900Mhz box with half gig ram...it's ok...
[04:32] <underdog5004> I've done a couple of charity computers at the shop where I work...
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> the boy's system:
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz @ 2.27GHz]  mem[Physical : 439MB, 73.5% free]  disk[Total : 108.80GB, 93.10% Free]  video[VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP]  sound[] 
[04:34] <vidd_laptop> not exactly charity.....
[04:35] <underdog5004> uh...yeah...they were free of charge...had kubuntu on them...I didn't charge anything...I'd say that's charity...
[04:35] <underdog5004> oh...you mean yours...my bad
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> no...i mean the boy's comp.....
[04:36] <underdog5004> gotcha, my bad
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> he is (FINALLY) fire-ing M$
[04:38] <underdog5004> very cool
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> no more spending days off disinfecting his system.....
[04:39] <underdog5004> ummm, I'm looking at the link you sent me...I can't find where to install the driver...
[04:39] <underdog5004> I think this'll work:   https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> did you run those lines of code in terminal?
[04:40] <underdog5004> yeah, I got direct rendering: no
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> it helps to check to see if the stuff is alrady installed
[04:41] <underdog5004> what do you mean?
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> i see you found the link.....
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> running the code checks to see if the stuff needed is already installed....
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> you got "NO" so it is not
[04:42] <vidd_laptop> and you found the link to follow to GET the stuff installed
[04:42] <underdog5004> yep
[04:42] <underdog5004> working on it now
[04:43] <vidd_laptop> the NICE thing about the boy's system is that it has NEVER been infested with M$
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> he built the system (with my supervision) from parts
[04:44] <underdog5004> really? That's a surprise in todays immoral world, lol
[04:44] <mptech> does xubuntu have xfce 4.4
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> not yet
[04:44] <underdog5004> so now he knows how to use a computer, and it's not just an abstraction.
[04:44] <vidd_laptop> next release
[04:44] <mptech> vidd_laptop, does the Feisty Fawn beta have it?
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> and he only fried one board
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> not sure
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> havent tried it lately
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> acually...he didnt fry any boards,,,,,he tried too though (not on purpose of course)
[04:46] <underdog5004> lol
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> not like when i taught myself how to build systems in the learly 90's....
[04:46] <underdog5004> I'm getting an Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! when I do sudo nvidia-glx-config...should I edit my xorg.conf to reflect the change in drivers?
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> underdog5004, i do not know the answer to that
[04:47] <underdog5004> it's cool...I already fucked up my install, I'm gonna reinstall tonight anyway
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> i burned up like 12 boards.....
[04:48] <underdog5004> looks like it actually worked...
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> back in the day when they cost 150$ each....
[04:48] <underdog5004> ok, no. I did glxinfo | grep direct and I got direct rendering: No...looks like I'm gonna reinstall now!
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> try to restart x first
[04:49] <underdog5004> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't help, either...I've now got these big blanks bars on either side of my screen...
[04:49] <underdog5004> oh yeah, I forgot that I didn't just have to log out...I have to restart xserver...my bad...
[04:50] <underdog5004> lol, when I logged out again, xserver crashed...reinstall for sure
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> does underdog5004 get the bernt bread award?
[04:51] <underdog5004> more like burnt water!
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> [the system is TOAST!] 
[04:51] <underdog5004> nice
[04:51] <underdog5004> I'm like a guy in the kitchen...can't do anything well...but I sure can mess stuff up.
[04:51] <vidd_laptop> the burnt bread award=[the system is TOAST!] 
[04:52] <underdog5004> yeah, I deserve that for sure
[04:53] <underdog5004> lol, good to know I'm not the only one
[04:53] <vidd_laptop> like the first time i attempted to manipulate windows registry in Win95....
[04:54] <underdog5004> oh man
[04:54] <underdog5004> ugh, left my xubuntu cd at work...have to burn it again...oh well
[04:54] <vidd_laptop> then i discovered you can acually tell the bios that a hard drive has more clusters then it really does.....
[04:54] <underdog5004> no way...
[04:55] <underdog5004> One time I ran an AMD Athlon without a heatsink for about 20 seconds...then I touched my finger to it to see how hot it was.
[04:55] <vidd_laptop> doing that acually destroys the hard drive
[04:56] <underdog5004> I didn't know that.
[04:56] <underdog5004> anyway, I had a raw, unhealed...open sore on my finger for about 2 weeks...
[04:56] <underdog5004> lucky it cauterized the wound
[04:56] <vidd_laptop> i set the jumpers wrong (back when motherboards were ALL jumpers) and set the board on fire
[04:57] <vidd_laptop> that was 800$ worth of education.......
[04:57] <underdog5004> lol, I've turned computers on with a flathead screwdriver to the pins on the mobo...repeatedly
[04:58] <vidd_laptop> i lever left tools inside the case when powering on
[04:58] <underdog5004> oooh, me too
[04:59] <underdog5004> I took the heatsink off an old geforce 4...then ran it...it didn't last long
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> i did drop a spool of uninsulated copper wire into an open, runnig machine.....
[04:59] <vidd_laptop> learned REAL quick to always kill power before reaching in there....
[04:59] <underdog5004> no.
[04:59] <underdog5004> way.
[05:00] <underdog5004> I'm running out of things...
[05:00] <underdog5004> yay...the xubuntu cd is burned and installing...
[05:00] <vidd_laptop> that was quick
[05:00] <underdog5004> meh, burned at 12x...
[05:01] <underdog5004> not quite installing yet...but close!
[05:01] <underdog5004> whoa...I just have k3b check for binary equalness after the burn
[05:01] <vidd_laptop> never know what POS the disk is going into next
[05:02] <underdog5004> oh...
[05:02] <vidd_laptop> but if you have a comp that cant burn at 12x, then it cant read a disk burned @ 12x
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> that was a rather cheep lesson for me to learn.....
[05:03] <underdog5004> true...I didn't know that was a factor, since the data is the same...
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> [back when cd burners cost 400$ and disks were like 12$ a pop] 
[05:03] <underdog5004> nice, I remember those days...
[05:03] <underdog5004> mid 90's, right?
[05:03] <vidd_laptop> late 90's acually
[05:04] <vidd_laptop> mid 90's you needed to morgage your house.......
[05:04] <underdog5004> rofl
[05:04] <underdog5004> incredible how easy it is now
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> ask your 500 employees to take a 1$ an hour paycut....
[05:05] <underdog5004> bummer for you cellofellow
[05:05] <cellofellow> yeah, I use QEMU to install other distros.
[05:05] <vidd_laptop> with ramdisks....who needs them?
[05:06] <cellofellow> still, some boxes here don't HAVE qemu and can't run it. They are still rotting in Windows 98/ME.
[05:06] <vidd_laptop> i remember when a 512 MEG HD was astronomically huge
[05:07] <cellofellow> I remember my first computer. I was about 8. Old cobled together mac. All I remember is I had a 80MB hard drive and Mac OS 8.
[05:07] <cellofellow> I use ZIP 100 disks a lot, even installed software on em.
[05:07] <cellofellow> used*
[05:07] <vidd_laptop> i remember when floppys were .... well..... floppy
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[05:08] <cellofellow> actually, that was my second computer, first was a little mac laptop with Mac System 6 or 7.
[05:08] <cellofellow> My dad speaks sometimes of tape cassettes, floppy floppies, and punch cards.
[05:08] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, i was BUILDING comps before you were born
[05:09] <cellofellow> yeah, that's a given.
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> punch cards were fun
[05:09] <vidd_laptop> always make sure you number them....
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> companies paid more for computer time then for employees to use them.....
[05:10] <underdog5004> lol
[05:10] <cellofellow> I discovered something called /usr/games/ppt in the bsdgames package that would take a string and print to stdout what a punchcard with that string would look like.
[05:10] <vidd_laptop> lol
[05:11] <underdog5004> ugh, I need more RAM...the livecd is taking forever to load...
[05:12] <cellofellow> and here we are talking about the days when 64k was a lot of ram.
[05:12] <underdog5004> lol
[05:13] <underdog5004> maybe I need the alt cd...
[05:13] <cellofellow> gollie.
[05:13] <underdog5004> vidd_laptop, how old _are_ you?
[05:13] <vidd_laptop> will be 37
[05:14] <underdog5004> not _too_ old...I'm 18
[05:14] <cellofellow> 16
[05:14] <vidd_laptop> add my daughter and the 3 of you = me
[05:14] <underdog5004> rofl...yeah...oh well
[05:15] <underdog5004> vidd_laptop, my burner doesn't support speeds below 4x...
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> ....where's my cane....
[05:15] <underdog5004> weird, no?
[05:15] <vidd_laptop> must be running a winbloze system
[05:16] <vidd_laptop> ok....im confussed......
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> i re-installed....and i still get an x crash when changing screen resolution
[05:17] <vidd_laptop> WTF!!!!
[05:18] <underdog5004> you got an ati?
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> not sure
[05:18] <vidd_laptop> driver installed was "versa"
[05:18] <underdog5004> I"m using kubuntu edgy w/ k3b to burn.
[05:18] <underdog5004> vesa
[05:19] <underdog5004> that should work w/ most everything...is it a lappy or a tower?
[05:19] <underdog5004> http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/people/hara/fly.swf
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> tower
[05:19] <underdog5004> so...take a look inside. Can't be that hard...
[05:19] <vidd_laptop> its inigrated
[05:20] <underdog5004> oh...so look up your mobo model number
[05:20] <underdog5004> giyf
[05:20] <kalikiana_> Is there a terminal command to set a file as the new wallpaper?
[05:22] <vidd_laptop> via?
[05:23] <underdog5004> via?
[05:23] <underdog5004> oh right...ummm...try mesa
[05:23] <vidd_laptop> kk
[05:24] <vidd_laptop> [ctrl] [alt] [f1]  gives a blank screen......
[05:25] <underdog5004> weird...I"m no X expert though
[05:26] <vidd_laptop> mesa is not listed in dpkg reconconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:27] <vidd_laptop> but via is....
[05:27] <underdog5004> lol, whoops, I was thinking of something else, sorry
[05:27] <underdog5004> you know as much as I do, I think
[05:27] <underdog5004> if not more
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> well.....
[05:30] <vidd_laptop> now i have tty1-6.....but no xserver
[05:31] <underdog5004> and you've tried startx?
[05:31] <vidd_laptop> Failed to start the Xserver error
[05:36] <vidd_laptop> sill having issues
[05:38] <underdog5004> probably
[05:52] <underdog5004> howdy
[05:54] <fxr> were do i get linux-source from? i am trying to make kernel modules for my RT2571 based USB NIC on AMD64, but the make fails, saying it needs linux source...
[05:56] <underdog5004> kernel.org
[05:57] <neighborlee> adding nvidia from addremove ..seems to add the wrong one based on one im seeing with uname -r anyway ..and I ran it 'after' doing system update
[05:57] <neighborlee> known issue ?
[05:58] <neighborlee> fxr, unless something changed recently..you can easily get them from synaptic, or of course if you rather apt-get from CLI
[06:00] <fxr> ok great neighborlee.. i need them to get my wireless nic & internet access working on a different pc.. do u know exactly what m lookin for ? so i can download and burn a deb or something to CD..
[06:01] <neighborlee> fxr, so your wireless stuff wont even with with ndiswrapper ?
[06:01] <neighborlee> or whatever its called..not having one I forget
[06:01] <Jester45> your right
[06:01] <Jester45> or close
[06:02] <fxr> ammm, no i havent tried ndiswrapper yet.. m just researching it now.. i am looking for a decent howto for it..
[06:02] <Jester45> !ndiswrapper
[06:02] <underdog5004> sudo ndiswrapper -i windowsinffile.inf
[06:02] <underdog5004> I think
[06:03] <grazie> neighborlee: there have been quite a few problems matching the kernel and nvidia drivers in the repos recently
[06:03] <neighborlee> ah ic
[06:03] <neighborlee> I knew about them a week ago or so, but figured surely by now the had been resolved ;0
[06:03] <neighborlee> thats really odd
[06:04] <grazie> neighborlee: should be sorted by now you'd have thought....suggest searching the forum
[06:05] <underdog5004> yeah, and don't forget the meta-package linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic not having the right deps...
[06:05] <neighborlee> hm ok
[06:05] <underdog5004> they fixed that though
[06:10] <fxr> what do i do if my windows driver is an exe? and ndiswrapper needs an inf
[06:12] <underdog5004> look for the inf online
[06:14] <Jester45> hehe... my apt-get update is 4mb :) lot-o-packages
[06:14] <underdog5004> that's it?
[06:15] <Jester45> not the upgrade just the package list
[06:15] <underdog5004> ah...whoa!
[06:16] <Jester45> cool apt has an update
[06:21] <Jester45> do you think that edgy will be able to upgrade to feisty ? or will it be messed up like drapper
[06:22] <Jester45> i hope so or im staying edgy
[06:24] <underdog5004> anyone know why getautomatix.com is down?
[06:29] <Jester45> nope
[06:29] <Jester45> what is that anyway
[06:30] <Jester45> i hear people taking about it but i never looked into it
[06:35] <neighborlee> basically it looks like I need to reboot and login with new kernel, since nvidia-glx is for 2.6.17-11 not 2.6.17-10 right ?
[06:35] <underdog5004> I have no idea. I'm trying to install nvidia-glx-legacy right now...
[06:36] <neighborlee> ah ok
[06:36] <neighborlee> well ill  let you know then how it goes ;)
[06:36] <underdog5004> I fucked up my xorg.conf, so I'm reinstalling...with something like a 4x drive...totally sucks
[06:36] <neighborlee> reinstalling what
[06:36] <neighborlee> you dont mean literally reinstalling buntu do you
[06:37] <Jester45> underdog5004:  you could of just reconfigured your xorg
[06:37] <underdog5004> oh yeah. my sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't work
[06:37] <Jester45> takes me 5 mins
[06:37] <underdog5004> I ended up with wonky resolutions
[06:38] <underdog5004> trust me, I'm a pro at sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg!
[06:38] <underdog5004> lol
[06:38] <Jester45> i have constant wonky  resolutions
[06:38] <underdog5004> yeah, but unintentional resolutions for me...
[06:39] <Jester45> lol
[06:39] <Jester45> i got 7200x3072 right now
[06:39] <Jester45> never can find good wallpapers
[06:40] <underdog5004> yech! Dual head?
[06:40] <Jester45> tri head
[06:40] <underdog5004> nice
[06:41] <Jester45> 3 of them at 2400x1024
[06:41] <underdog5004> very nice, very nice indeed
[06:41] <Jester45> heh cuts my FPS on games down
[06:41] <Jester45> i get problems with xorg also
[06:42] <underdog5004> I bet...I was reading about this guy who had a 12 box cluster to do his graphical stuff for his graphics cards...something like that, anyway...
[06:42] <Jester45> all 3 moniters were $500 total
[06:42] <Jester45> USD
[06:42] <underdog5004> whoa, super deal!
[06:43] <Jester45> i know
[06:43] <Jester45> and good res
[06:44] <Jester45> http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/quake_24_screens_thumbnail.jpg
[06:44] <Jester45> look at the size compared to the keyboard
[06:44] <underdog5004> yep, that's the one
[06:45] <underdog5004> there was a full article on digg a long time ago
[06:45] <Jester45> i got a 2 regular moniter outputs plus a tv one that i got a converter for
[06:45] <Jester45> hey cellofellow
[06:45] <cellofellow> hi
[06:45] <Jester45> cellofellow: you know a month ago you all ways seen me join now get to see you
[06:46] <cellofellow> I been having a somewhat different schedule.
[06:46] <Jester45> cellofellow: have you tried Beryl on xfce? i just cant get it to work
[06:47] <Jester45> xgl runs just no beryl
[06:47] <cellofellow> I tried once, and it didn't work.
[06:47] <underdog5004> I'm heading that direction too, Jester45
[06:47] <Jester45> i got it working on kde but no xfce
[06:47] <cellofellow> ask maxamillion
[06:48] <Jester45> i gave up
[06:48] <Jester45> tried everything
[06:48] <underdog5004> lol, don't tell me that!
[06:48] <Jester45> lol
[06:49] <Jester45> do you have nvidia ?
[06:49] <Jester45> if not then your may still have luck
[06:49] <Jester45> i tired the beryl projects live cd and... it didnt boot
[06:49] <Jester45> it was sad
[06:50] <Jester45> so i erased the disc
[06:50] <Jester45> and put dsl back on
[06:50] <Jester45> cellofellow: i got 80gb of mulitmedia :)
[06:51] <underdog5004> dsl kicks major ass
[06:57] <neighborlee> not our dsl..cable stomps all over it
[06:57] <neighborlee> for now anyway
[06:59] <underdog5004> I meant Damn Small Linux (www.damnsmalllinux.org)...A complete distro in 50 Megs
[07:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone in here familier with mythtv
[07:24] <bigfuzzyjesus> sup DarthLappy
[07:28] <DarthLappy> 'Lo bigfuzzyjesus
[07:35] <bigfuzzyjesus> DarthLappy, have you ever used mythtv
[07:42] <DarthLappy> bigfuzzyjesus: Nope.
[07:42] <DarthLappy> I've been meaning to though.
[07:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> im looking into it
[07:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> using a computer i already have as the backend
[07:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> and using a mini itx for the front end
[07:43] <DarthLappy> I'd just like some way to be able to watch TV on my computer though.
[08:10] <noodles12> ok i screwed up my system!!! i was running xubuntu edgy and i installed BUM to get rid of services i didn't need. I got rid of GDM because i thought that was for gnome adn not xfce, adn now i can't log in.. when i start my computer, the screen is all fuzzy and blinking. how do i fix this when i use a live cd? what config files do i change to get gdm to auto start again?
[08:14] <Jester45> nobody in here would happen to have an idea for me to write about?
[08:15] <Jester45> im bored so i need to do somthing
[08:15] <posingaspopular> Jester45: what do you mean write?
[08:15] <posingaspopular> as in poetry, a blog, pee in the snow?
[08:15] <Jester45> like a story
[08:15] <posingaspopular> oh dude i hate stories
[08:16] <Jester45> not poetry
[08:16] <posingaspopular> writing them is too much of a pain for me
[08:16] <Jester45> or a idea for blog
[08:17] <Jester45> but your gonna have trouble getting me interested in something
[08:17] <posingaspopular> ive been trying to rack my brain for a blog idea too
[08:17] <Jester45> lol
[08:17] <posingaspopular> though im pretty busy with fending attacks off for calling oprah a sellout right now...
[08:17] <Jester45> i keep typing a page or so of a story then stop
[08:17] <Jester45> and i cant thing of anything important to blog about
[08:18] <posingaspopular> yea i hit that rut too
[08:18] <posingaspopular> so im just going out and doing other stuff,
[08:18] <Jester45> im really wanting to get about 30 pages done this week
[08:18] <Jester45> but... i dont think its gonna happen
[08:18] <posingaspopular> 30 pages is wayyyy too much for me
[08:19] <posingaspopular> id be lucky to get 5 done in any week
[08:19] <Jester45> i could do the last bit of my script but im not up to it
[08:20] <Jester45> if you wanna read something -> jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/Stuffs/CnCstory
[08:20] <Jester45> its long but
[08:21] <Jester45> i typed it at school becuase i was bored and when i saved it as a MS word document
[08:21] <Jester45> and then opened in mousepad it got extra enters
[08:22] <posingaspopular> my writing stuff is on writerscafe
[08:22] <Jester45> the script i need to finish is to convert a video file into a dvd and to author it
[08:23] <Jester45> im stuck on authoring it i all ways just made a xml file for the menus and stuff but i dont know how to get it in a command
[08:23] <posingaspopular> this ins't opening...
[08:23] <Jester45> and it would be much better to keep it as just a script not a 2nd file
[08:23] <Jester45> try now
[08:24] <posingaspopular> .... no
[08:26] <posingaspopular> ...
[08:26] <Jester45> is it even connecting?
[08:26] <posingaspopular> nH
[08:26] <posingaspopular> nah
[08:26] <Jester45> because its running from my house and im trying to get on it
[08:27] <posingaspopular> ah okay
[08:27] <Jester45> its not connecting also
[08:27] <maddash> everyone here is running xfce, rah? anyone and willing to share their `ps aux`?
[08:27] <Jester45> ps aux?
[08:27] <posingaspopular> dang i gotta up at around 7 in like 5 hours
[08:27] <posingaspopular> this means i leave
[08:27] <Jester45> i would
[08:27] <posingaspopular> Jester45: hit me up with it later and i'll look at it
[08:27] <maddash> Jester45: fire up a cmd prompt and type in `ps aux`
[08:28] <maddash> Jester45: then pastebin the output
[08:29] <Jester45> k
[08:29] <maddash> actually, it's easier to `ps aux > somefile` and upload the file to pastebin
[08:33] <Jester45> El slow pastebin
[08:34] <Jester45> http://pastebin.com/887778
[08:34] <Jester45> that work?
[08:36] <maddash> some of the stuff to the right has been cut off, but that's fine. xfce4 uses surprisingly little memory.
[08:36] <maddash> thanks, i think i'll go try it out
[08:36] <Jester45> np
[08:36] <Jester45> but i could of told you that
[09:38] <Rhaen> morning
[09:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> moin
[09:41] <Rhaen> well, moin is also fine :)
[11:54] <davidwinter> hi all
[11:55] <davidwinter> I'm trying to install on an old Dell laptop, but installation appears to freeze after the keyboard set-up.
[11:55] <davidwinter> What's the next step after setting up the keyboard?
[11:55] <davidwinter> Just trying to figure out where it's stumbling.
[11:56] <davidwinter> After setting the keyboard up, it "Detecting Hardware to find CD-ROM Drive" -- that finishes, then the blank blue screen
[01:35] <Rippawallet> ubuntulog is batty
[01:35] <Rippawallet> lol
[02:47] <Prisoner_> hi
[02:50] <Prisoner_> anyone here?
[02:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Of course.
[02:53] <Prisoner_> seems like you're always here
[02:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not just me.
[03:11] <Prisoner_> hmmm
[03:43] <rahmetli> can anybody help me with tor?
[03:43] <rahmetli> i get timeout when i use "tsocks curl www.whatismyip.com"
[03:57] <dioxin> Hi! Suddenly I can't transfer my digitalcam pictures from the camera to the computer, The camera says "connectet to the computer" but the computer says "cameratype not recognized" or something like that! What has happend? How can I fix it?
[03:59] <dioxin> help :S
[03:59] <flumoxed> Hello, I've installed feisty xubuntu. Nice but... How the hell do I run synaptic (needs root) ??
[04:00] <flumoxed> Anyone??
[04:01] <grazie> flumoxed: root is not needed....your user password is required
[04:03] <flumoxed> Lol, Ok. 99.9 % of Linux distro's use root ;-|  I see a whole new learning curve coming....
[04:11] <jlamr> where do I need to browse to so I can play streaming mp3s w/ gxine? I have the  codecs installed
[04:16] <grazie> jlamr: I don't know what you mean?
[04:17] <grazie> jlamr: if you're looking for online streams >> http://www.shoutcast.com/
[04:17] <jlamr> yeah - in firefox, if I go to shoutcast cast, click a link, it prompts for save/browse where do I browse to to play w/ gxine?
[04:18] <grazie> jlamr: configure firefox to play the streams using gxine
[04:19] <jlamr> you mean mozplugger?
[05:01] <gop> !Kylix
[05:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kylix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:01] <thomas-dosanjh> hello guys could i get a tiny bit of help please
[05:04] <vrkhans> hi
[05:04] <vrkhans> i have a problem
[05:04] <vrkhans> can any one help me
[05:10] <kristjans> how can i make print screen with print screen button in xubuntu?
[05:11] <gpocentek> !ask
[05:11] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:11] <gpocentek> kristjans: IIRC you can do this using gimp
[05:11] <lesshaste> is there an app to show the signal strength of wireless connections?
[05:12] <gpocentek> lesshaste: wifi-radar can do that
[05:13] <lesshaste> thanks
[05:13] <grazie> kristjans: use the gimp or add the screenshot plugin to the panel
[05:13] <lesshaste> also..  I just got wpa working with madwifi but it was quite hard. There seems to be a bug that means that nm-applet doesn't recognise madwifi at all
[05:15] <lesshaste> wifi-radar doesn't show the encryption type it seems
[05:16] <lesshaste> and edit doesn't do anything it seems
[05:21] <vrkhans> hi
[05:23] <vrkhans> i have a small problem,  due to some reason or bug in my bios i could not able to boot from my cdrom, is there any way i can boot from floppies and load the cdrom driver and install it like xp
[05:23] <lesshaste> vrkhans, yes... there is a page on alternative ways to install ubuntu
[05:24] <lesshaste> vrkhans, and that is one of them :)
[05:24] <lesshaste> crimsun, can you boot from a usbstick?
[05:24] <vrkhans> leshaste: what page you are talking about
[05:25] <lesshaste> vrkhans, search for it in the ubuntu website
[05:27] <hyper_ch> kristjans: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312844
[05:28] <vrkhans> lesshastte: do you know link for that page, i tried but fail
[05:33] <lesshaste> vrkhans, sorry you will have to search for it,, I don't have time to do it for you now
[05:35] <lesshaste> how do you enable "suspend" for a laptop?
[05:35] <lesshaste> it doesn't seem to be doing it at the moment
[05:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !netboot
[05:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> First link has alternative installation methods.
[05:39] <lesshaste> anyone runningn xubuntu on a laptop?
[05:40] <lesshaste> how do I get suspend/hibernate to work?
[05:52] <kristjans> it just kind-of-works for me
[05:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <lesshaste> how do I install realplayer 10 ?  Do I need plf or something else?
[06:14] <grazie> lesshaste: >> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Player_.28RealPlayer_10.29
[06:15] <lesshaste> grazie, thanks.. Used the canonical repo as I couldn't find it in the plf one
[06:15] <lesshaste> grazie, how to get the realplayer plugin for firefox?
[06:16] <grazie> lesshaste: i think the details are on the same page ^^
[06:18] <lesshaste> grazie, restarting firefox was the key :)
[06:18] <lesshaste> thx
[06:19] <lesshaste> now I just need to work how to get hibernate/sleep working
[06:19] <lesshaste> any ideas?
[06:19] <lesshaste> I seem to have acpid installed
[06:19] <lesshaste> but I don't really know where to start
[06:20] <grazie> lesshaste: don't have a laptop, but what size ram and what size swap?
[06:20] <lesshaste> 512ram, 1.6 swap
[06:20] <grazie> sounds good
[06:22] <lesshaste> yes... but I have no idea how to start setting up sleep/hibernation :)
[06:24] <grazie> should just work...but people do seem to have problems...usually 'cos they've a tiny swap
[06:28] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok, to everyone who helped me out yesterday, thank you so very much. I know managed to get xubuntu installed on the machine I was working with yesterday.
[06:29] <Kresjah_laptop> Thath's the good news. The bad news is that I'm having problems getting the wireless connection up and running.
[06:30] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: good news about installation...afraid I nothing about wifi...have you read the ubuntu guides?
[06:31] <lesshaste> hi Kresjah_laptop
[06:31] <lesshaste> Kresjah_laptop, I was wondering if you had got sleeping or hibernation working on your laptop :)
[06:32] <lesshaste> Kresjah_laptop, I just got wireless working myself... what is the problem?
[06:32] <Kresjah_laptop> I have one wireless card (running a Ralink RT2500 chipset), but the networking setting shows two entries for it; wmaster0 and wlan0. I've tried setting up both with connection settings to connect to my access point, and I get no errors (as if it gets a link), but it does not seem to be able to get to the internet.
[06:32] <Kresjah_laptop> grazie: Haven't checked through all of it yet, but my ubuntu machine (the laptop i'm sitting on now has no problems connecting)
[06:33] <Kresjah_laptop> lesshaste: Hehe... I had been up for about 36 hours, so yes... I went to sleep :p
[06:34] <grazie> !wifi | Kresjah_laptop : in case this is something you haven't yet seen
[06:34] <ubotu> Kresjah_laptop : in case this is something you haven't yet seen: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:35] <gop> what a good screen cast for linux
[06:37] <Kresjah_laptop> Nice. Hadn't noticed that there was a specific guide for my wlan chipset
[06:40] <grazie> gop: I don't know of screencast sw for linux. but you can set up a Windows machine and capture with vnc
[06:40] <Kresjah_laptop> Interesting... lspci reports it as a RaLink unknown device 0302 rather than a RT2500
[06:40] <grazie> gop: I think Canonical also provide a server....have you seen this link?
[06:41] <grazie> gop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNZDeB1k8s
[06:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Is it possible to switch
[06:44] <Kresjah_laptop> driver easily?
[06:45] <Kresjah_laptop> Using edgy btw
[07:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> gop: Xvidcap works fairly well.
[07:12] <gop> PuMpErNiCkLe,  it does
[07:12] <gop> hmm how does one     start using that
[07:14] <Kresjah_laptop> No one who can tell me how to switch drivers for my network card (the driver I want to switch to should from what I've understood be supplied with the xubuntu cd)?
[07:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I don't think it's been packaged.  An alternative, which is in the repos, is Istanbul.
[07:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kresjah_laptop: modprobe -r will remove the old one, letting you load the new one.
[07:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Istanbul seems to work well enough.
[07:19] <gop> wow
[07:19] <gop> the wiwi remote can be used for many things
[07:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Added bonus is that it records in Theora.
[07:20] <Kresjah_laptop> PuMpErNiCkLe: Will try that...
[07:20] <gop> oh
[07:22] <Kresjah_laptop> How do I find out what the name of the module to load for my card is though?
[07:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Online documentation, usually.
[07:28] <rahmetli> can beryl be used with sfce?
[07:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> gop: Possibly useful reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_recording_software
[07:28] <rahmetli> xfce*
[07:28] <cellofellow> yes
[07:29] <Kresjah_laptop> And last question... how do I find the name of the currently installed module?
[07:30] <cellofellow> lsmod
[07:30] <cellofellow> lists loaded modules
[07:36] <Kresjah_laptop> Thanks
[07:45] <Kresjah_laptop> That's odd. It seems to have refused to load the module
[07:46] <Kresjah_laptop> What is xubuntu's built in alternative to gedit?
[07:47] <cellofellow> Mousepad
[07:48] <cellofellow> which is more an alternative to notepad
[08:19] <Vincent_k> can someone give some advice of a nice gpg manager for xfce
[08:19] <Vincent_k> like kgpg
[08:19] <Vincent_k> but lightweight
[08:27] <AzRich> Hello!! How's things here?
[08:27] <cellofellow> ok, quite quiet
[08:28] <AzRich> I'm thinking about trying Xubuntu on an old thinkpad 380xd. Any ideas what I might watch out for?
[08:28] <cellofellow> have the alternate CD handy.
[08:29] <AzRich> am currently in process of download and burning it now.
[08:29] <cellofellow> have access to this channel, I guess. I don't know anything about thinkpads really.
[08:30] <AzRich> this one is a pentium mmx 233m, w/ 96M memory and a 4g disk. Currently running puppy 2.13, and having problems w/ the sound card. Hoping that xubuntu is easier to find and load drivers, etc.
[08:31] <AzRich> I ran Ubuntu on this hardware for a while, but it was verrrrryyyy ssslllllooooowwwwl.
[08:31] <cellofellow> DSL is loaded with lots of drivers. Tried that? Xubuntu should run on that box, but you may need to use lighter apps than even Xubuntu has.
[08:31] <cellofellow> DSL-N (Not) even better for that box maybe.
[08:31] <AzRich> haven't tried dsl
[08:32] <AzRich> I do like the debian apt-get stuff. Would dsl or -n have that?
[08:32] <cellofellow> yes
[08:32] <cellofellow> DSL is based on Debian and Knoppix. (which is based on Debian.)
[08:33] <AzRich> cool. will keep it in mind if xubuntu doesn't get it.
[08:33] <cellofellow> ok, awesome
[08:33] <AzRich> I would think that the extra stuff added by knoppix would add more overhead?
[08:34] <cellofellow> It uses the driver and startup core. Makes it start a little slower.
[08:34] <cellofellow> And includes more drivers, so it has smaller apps than Puppy. DSL-N takes DSL, adds a 2.6 kernel (DSL has 2.4) and most of the apps in Puppy.
[08:35] <AzRich> I remember that Ubuntu took almost a day to load on here. I expect xubuntu and the alternate cd will be much better. Would you expect dsl to be a bear to install?
[08:36] <cellofellow> nah. Especially in CLI mode, should take only minutes.
[08:36] <AzRich> cli?
[08:36] <cellofellow> it has a CLI installer. you type 'install' and the bootpromt (Command-Line Interface, as opposed to GUI.)
[08:36] <AzRich> 'k. Thanks.
[08:37] <AzRich> I'll try dsl if xubuntu doesn't work.
[08:37] <cellofellow> you said that before. :)
[08:37] <AzRich> what part of the world are you located?
[08:38] <cellofellow> UT, USA
[08:38] <AzRich> not so far. I'm in Phx.
[08:38] <cellofellow> cool.
[08:38] <AzRich> this time of year, yes.
[08:38] <cellofellow> cold up here.
[08:39] <AzRich> I went to South Ogden a few weeks ago, and up to Park City. Had a great time.
[08:39] <cellofellow> Sundance Festival or something?
[08:40] <AzRich> No, a reunion of sorts. My wife's old girlfriend/bridesmaid we hadn't seen since the wedding 39 years ago lives up there.
[08:40] <cellofellow> oh, neat
[08:41] <AzRich> Well, the download s/b about done. I'll sign off. Thanks for the advice.
[08:48] <Kresjah_laptop> Why does xubuntu show 2 wireless cards by the way? wlan0 and wmaster0 ... I only have one card
[08:53] <fxr> is vnc the way to go if i wanna control a remote pc (xubuntu) on my network? anyoen of know of any issus with amd64//
[08:55] <Kresjah_laptop> Hi fxr :)
[08:56] <fxr> hey fella.. hows things? u get that lappy sorted yet?
[08:56] <JamesP> Lo all
[08:57] <Kresjah_laptop> The lappy is the one that's always been working :p It's my internet gateway that didn't
[08:57] <JamesP> I've just installed xubuntu as per this tutorial: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/01/25/usb-x-ubuntu-610
[08:57] <JamesP> it seems to have worked fine
[08:57] <Kresjah_laptop> And the good news, I'm fiddling with xubuntu settings on it as we speak
[08:57] <JamesP> however once booted.. it asks me for username/password
[08:57] <Kresjah_laptop> The bad news... can't get my wireless connection up and running
[08:57] <JamesP> under normal ubuntu install... i'd enter that info during setup
[08:58] <JamesP> but it wasn't a normal ubuntu install.. so wasn't asked for the information... is there a default username/password ?
[08:58] <fxr> ahh right, sorry my memory is a bit... fecked.. so u got ubuntu onto it then?
[08:59] <fxr> your gateway..
[08:59] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: Yup, xubuntu is up... network is down
[08:59] <Kresjah_laptop> JamesP: You could try root or oem with no password
[08:59] <fxr> k.. should be handy enough to sort.. what wireless card u using...
[08:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Although I don't know if they'll work JamesP
[09:00] <Kresjah_laptop> fxc
[09:00] <Kresjah_laptop> Ops
[09:00] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: A CNet something that I don't  remember, which has to my recollection a RaLink RT2500 chipset
[09:01] <hyper_ch> !java
[09:01] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[09:01] <Kresjah_laptop> It detects the card in lspci as RaLink Unknown Device 0302, and in network configuration shows two cards; wlan0 and wmaster0
[09:01] <fxr> hhmmm.. so ur sure its a based on the RT2500 chipset?
[09:02] <Kresjah_laptop> I was thinking of just trying to get it to run the xubuntu-supplied rt2500 module, so I ran a modprobe rt2500, restarted, and lsmod didn't show the module at all
[09:02] <Kresjah_laptop> I'll recheck
[09:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You don't have to reboot after running modprobe.
[09:02] <JamesP> Kresjah_laptop - oem/root dont seem to work
[09:02] <JamesP> with no password
[09:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Rebooting would return it to the default state, which wouldn't have it loaded.
[09:02] <JamesP> can i escape to a terminal at all ?
[09:03] <JamesP> tty0-6
[09:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> JamesP: Yeah, but you'd still get a password prompt.  You may be able to boot into recovery mode, though, which will give you a root console.
[09:05] <Kresjah_laptop> http://ralink.rapla.net/     I have the CNet CWP-854
[09:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (Either by choosing the 'recovery mode' option in Grub, if it's been setup, or by appending the word 'single' to the kernel line if it hasn't.)
[09:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kresjah_laptop: ^^^^ Up about 10 lines - don't reboot after running modprobe.
[09:06] <Kresjah_laptop> Yeah, saw that, but it doesn't seem to work anyways (either that, or it's just the fact that I'm still a newbie so I have no clue on what to do further :p)
[09:07] <fxr> k ll have a look at that now.. the RT2500 should work out of the box, have you been into the networking applet & entered you ESSID?
[09:08] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I know, that's what I don't understand (why it doesn't work ootb). Yup, but as said, it shows two wireless interfaces, wlan0 and wmaster0... tried all combinations possible
[09:08] <Kresjah_laptop> And made sure both ESSID and key were correct
[09:10] <Kresjah_laptop> I'm starting to get used to my machines having compatibility issues of all sorts. Haven't been able to get Mesa running on my laptop (nor did I get GL on it when I used windows)
[09:11] <fxr> yeah, whats in your /etc/network/interfaces file is there any mention of ra0 ??
[09:11] <Kresjah_laptop> No mention of ra0 at all
[09:16] <fxr> bear with me, here.. m just trackin back my steps.. ve been messing with 2 wireless cards today..
[09:17] <fxr> is there a rt2500.ko on your system anywhere?
[09:17] <Kresjah_laptop> That's ok. I'm just happy to recieve help :)
[09:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Well, there obviously is, as modprobe loads the module
[09:18] <fxr> right so.. is ra0 set up as an alias to rt2500
[09:19] <Kresjah_laptop> Have no idea
[09:19] <Kresjah_laptop> How to I check?
[09:20] <fxr> open file /etc/modprobe.d/alias and do a search for rt2500
[09:20] <fxr> alaises
[09:20] <fxr> aliases
[09:20] <fxr> !
[09:21] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope... guess that needs to be set up then
[09:22] <fxr> i think there is a way to short cut this tho... m guessing if you stick your alias in there & then add iface ra0 etc to interfaces, that should get it working.. i could be wrong tho..
[09:23] <Kresjah_laptop> I could try, but then you also have to tell me how to modprobe the rt2500 module so that it sticks through rebooots
[09:24] <Kresjah_laptop> I did what you suggested, but then I wasn't aware of modules not sticking through reboots, so it didn't load the ra0
[09:25] <fxr> sudo modprobe rt2500 *should* install and make it 'stick'
[09:26] <Kresjah_laptop> That's what I did last time. The module is in the list now, but if I reboot, it's gone agian
[09:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Add it to /etc/modules
[09:30] <Kresjah_laptop> There, stuck. I'll try readding ra0 to the interfaces then
[09:33] <cubdukat> Good afternoon.
[09:34] <cellofellow> hello
[09:34] <cubdukat> I'm having a weird kinda problem in Xubuntu that I can't figure out here.
[09:34] <cubdukat> I was hoping you guys could help before I have to reinstall my entire system.
[09:35] <cellofellow> I'm not a wizard. :( :) but I can help with details, I think I can anyways.
[09:36] <cubdukat> Thanks. Here goes. When I boot into Xubuntu, I get an error message that says "Either --appname or --package arguments are required."
[09:36] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok... restarted. There is no ra0 and no wireless internet, however, now there is a sit0 (no wireless extenstions) in iwcofig
[09:36] <cubdukat> I also have nothing on my desktop except for icons.
[09:36] <cellofellow> :/
[09:36] <fxr> is that ra0 alias set up?
[09:36] <Kresjah_laptop> Guess not
[09:37] <cubdukat> I had this same problem in Kubuntu, but I solved it by deleting the .kde folder and reinstalling kubuntu-desktop.
[09:37] <fxr> try and manually enter the ra0 setup into your interfaces
[09:37] <hyper_ch> cubdukat: just go to the CLI, remove to xubuntu-desktop and install it again
[09:37] <cellofellow> cubdukat: well, they seem like seperate problems.
[09:37] <Kresjah_laptop> cubdukaT: I think I might now what triggered your issue, but not how to fix it
[09:38] <cellofellow> cubdukat: log in to xfce and type alt+f2 and run sfce4-panel
[09:38] <cellofellow> xfce4-panel*
[09:38] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:38] <cubdukat> What might've triggered it? I tried uninstalling and reinstalling xubuntu-desktop, but that didn't work. Is there a folder like .xfce that I have to delete before I reinstall it?
[09:39] <Kresjah_laptop> cubdukat: Well, when I tried using the live CD, I headed into the desktop configuration (can't remember the name of it)
[09:40] <Kresjah_laptop> Then unchecked "let xfce handle my desktop" or somethinhg like that
[09:40] <cubdukat> if I have to reinstall, I'm definitely gonna reinstall with 6.06.
[09:40] <Kresjah_laptop> And boom, everything was gone
[09:40] <Kresjah_laptop> I tried going back in and check it, but it didn't help
[09:40] <Kresjah_laptop> Hold on, and I'll see if I can find a reason to fix it
[09:40] <cubdukat> One of the things I thought might be an issue was that I installed kubuntu-desktop after I installed xubuntu-desktop.
[09:41] <hyper_ch> kubutnu and xubuntu are different
[09:41] <hyper_ch> they shouldn't interfere
[09:41] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I tried setting it up into interfaces, didn't help. That was when sit0 showed up after reboot
[09:41] <cubdukat> I thought I had seen somewhere that if you did this you had to do it in a certain order to keep from borking one of them.
[09:41] <hyper_ch> cubdukat: did you do what cello said?
[09:42] <cubdukat> Trying now.
[09:42] <cubdukat> Okay, that got it back.
[09:42] <Kresjah_laptop> Good to hear cubdukat :)
[09:43] <cubdukat> It's like something seems to turn it off at bootup. What would cause that?
[09:44] <cubdukat> And is there something in the Settings menu I could check off to make it permanent again?
[09:45] <Kresjah_laptop> Have you checked if the checkbox I mentioned is checked?
[09:46] <cubdukat> I'm in "Desktop Preferences" right now, but I don't see anything that pertains to the taskbars.
[09:46] <cubdukat> Looking into a couple other things now.
[09:53] <fxr> maybe you could try recompiling the kernel module Kresjah_laptop
[10:13] <fxr> how do i update firmware in linux/ubuntu?
[10:22] <JKnife> !seen maxamillion
[10:30] <LordGamer> Anyone Know any good open source Docs? I am DLing Revolution OS but I have never seen it
[10:33] <slow-motion> n8
[10:33] <BFTD> hey slow-motion
[11:00] <cobehg1> hello
[11:02] <cobehg1> I'm new to Linux, Xubuntu and in addition to irc too. I've got a question concerning my graphic drivers and a zip drive, Could someone of you tell me wheter I'm in the right channel for that kind of support, or not, please? Thanks a lot
[11:05] <cobehg1> Ich bin sowohl mit Linux, bzw. Xubuntu, als auch mit irc gnzlich unerfahren, habe aber einige Frage bezglich eines Treibers fr meine Grafikkarte und zu einem Zip Drive, kann mir einer von euch verraten, ob ich hier eventuell eine Antwort bekommen knnte? Danke sehr
[11:07] <grazie> cobehg1: what's the graphic driver problem? If you prefer  german support you could try the german channel
[11:07] <grazie> !de | cobehg1
[11:07] <ubotu> cobehg1: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:09] <cobehg1> I guess it's rather the time to ask you, because its 11pm local time in germany:)
[11:09] <grazie> cobehg1: most people on the channel are in the usa I think
[11:10] <cobehg1> I got an new installed xubuntu, but my monitor promted after the first boot
[11:10] <cobehg1> out of range, which ment it couldn't deal with the graphic signal i guess
[11:10] <cobehg1> by now my computer is running after I reconfigured the xserver
[11:11] <cobehg1> and changed the driver
[11:11] <cobehg1> to vesa
[11:11] <grazie> cobehg1: you want to use  a different driver?
[11:12] <cobehg1> of course its no very comfortable, because there's a delay in my screen actions now
[11:12] <cobehg1> I got a matrox card
[11:12] <cobehg1> and  I tried to change the driver as it's described in the wiki I found
[11:12] <cobehg1> but unfortunatly it didn't work out
[11:13] <cobehg1> I'd prefer to have a better performance
[11:13] <grazie> cobehg1: have you tried this guide >> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:15] <cobehg1> no
[11:15] <cobehg1> first i changed my driver to get a running system with the vesa driver via sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:16] <grazie> cobehg1: no good?
[11:16] <cobehg1> after that I found a tutorial to change to maxtor driver because I have a maxtor card installed
[11:16] <cobehg1> no its not really good, because the autodetect version doesn't lead to a output signal my monitor could deal with
[11:17] <cobehg1> and the vesa driver I'm using by now is only for temporal use I guess...
[11:18] <cobehg1> the scrolling of pages is kind of stocking
[11:18] <cobehg1> so I hoped a working maxtor driver would solve my problem
[11:19] <grazie> cobehg1: If dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not detect your hardware correctly I think you will have to set /etc/X11/xorg.conf yourself
[11:19] <grazie> cobehg1: Another possibilty is to use something like knoppix to detect the correct hardware and copy the config
[11:19] <cobehg1> may be, but by now I don't know how to do it
[11:20] <cellofellow> does knoppix use Xorg or the older Xfree86?
[11:20] <cobehg1> So you think it's no driver problem?
[11:21] <grazie> cellofellow: Xfree86 i think, but the settings are very similar
[11:21] <cellofellow> if it works... go for it.
[11:22] <grazie> cobehg1: I've never known anyone else with a matrox card problem before, but I gues there aren't that many people with them
[11:23] <cobehg1> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Matrox-Grafikkarten that's what i found.. but it's in german ;-)
[11:23] <grazie> cobehg1: I speak no german, sorry
[11:25] <cobehg1> that's a how to install matrox driver from http://www.tuxx-home.at/projects/mtx/latest/
[11:25] <grazie> cobehg1: are you using the example /etc/X11/xorg.conf on that link?
[11:26] <cobehg1> no I didn't get that far
[11:26] <cobehg1> after I tried to unpack (sudoshmatroxdriver_mtx-x86_32-1.4.4.8-installer.run
[11:26] <cobehg1> )
[11:26] <cobehg1> there was a compiling problem prompted
[11:28] <cobehg1> I still got a log file if that would help you
[11:29] <grazie> cobehg1: perhaps...can you pastebin the log
[11:29] <cobehg1> and the last I didn't try because I don't even know which version of kernel I have, 'cause as I told before I'm completely new to linux
[11:29] <grazie> !pastebin | cobehg1
[11:29] <ubotu> cobehg1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:30] <grazie> cobehg1: in a terminal type 'uname -r' to get the kernel version
[11:31] <grazie> cobehg1: are you using xubuntu 6.10 (edgy eft)?
[11:33] <cobehg1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7401/ I hope this is the right url
[11:33] <cobehg1> I'm using 6.10
[11:33] <cobehg1> installed today ;-)
[11:35] <grazie> cobehg1: what machine hardware do you have?
[11:36] <grazie> cobehg1: you are trying to something that is quite difficult for a linux beginner
[11:37] <grazie> s/to/to do/ ^^
[11:38] <cobehg1> it's a pentium II with 400 Mhz
[11:39] <grazie> cobehg1: well you have not downloaded the correct driver for that machine
[11:39] <cobehg1> maybe
[11:40] <cobehg1> I'm not experienced in getting linux drivers at all, where coul I look for them?
[11:40] <cobehg1> could
[11:42] <cobehg1> lspci | grep VGA
[11:42] <cobehg1> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 01)
[11:43] <grazie> cobehg1: firstly pick one of the drivers on that page http://www.tuxx-home.at/projects/mtx/latest that start matroxdriver-x86_32
[11:45] <cobehg1> the latest or no matter which?
[11:45] <grazie> cobehg1: the latest is probably best yes
[11:45] <grazie> cobehg1: there's only 3
[11:46] <cobehg1> 21-Sep-2006 I downloaded now
[11:47] <cobehg1> but the german protocoll I should try again?
[11:47] <grazie> cobehg1: I don't understand 'german protocoll'
[11:48] <cobehg1> which I sent you the link of, it's been written in german so I called it "german protocoll" ;-)
[11:49] <grazie> cobehg1: yes try the same instructions with this driver... I have no better soltions :)
[11:49] <grazie> solutions*
[11:49] <cobehg1> okay, thanks anyhow!
[11:50] <grazie> no problem
[11:51] <cobehg1> first time without compiling error! seems to work ;-) I'll see in the next minutes
[11:55] <j1mc> ping :)
[12:01] <j1mc> !xubuntu
[12:01] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:05] <j1mc> !ldap
[12:05] <ubotu> LDAP is the Lightweight Directory Access Protocol. For more information and installation instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer
[12:14] <akao> hey guys, anyone know how to set keyboard bindings?  I've got a tablet pc and there are two buttons on the screen that i'd like to act like the up and down arrows.
[12:21] <grazie> akao: have looked at >> http://wiki.xfce.org/faq