[12:13] <jsiris> kalagio: if nothing helps, you may get additional help here: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwintv
[12:13] <clau> kalagio: or try maybe #v4l
[12:13] <kalagio> clau
[12:14] <pjesi> 6.20
[12:14] <pjesi> 10 even
[12:14] <SlackRat> thats it! the kubuntu forums have been down for hours! im going back to windows!
[12:14] <kalagio> it sayws v4l2 driver version is loaded
[12:14] <desi007> is there an easy howto for pdf printer to add in 6.10 :(
[12:14] <hendaus>  ubotu i open amule from kubuntu,but the kad is off, is there any solution to fix it?
[12:14] <SlackRat> :-P
[12:14] <kalagio> clau and registered device video 0
[12:15] <SlackRat> !uboto kad
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uboto kad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <clau> kalagio: could you paste all of it in pastebin again?
[12:15] <kalagio> yes
[12:15] <SlackRat> check the aMule site,,,,,,
[12:16] <kristina> hi, how do you make fonts look nice on an lcd monitor again? sorry I forgot the command
[12:16] <kalagio> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7407/
[12:16] <hendaus> SlackRat maybe coz i am using a router
[12:17] <hendaus> but i dont know how to disable the firewall from it to work amule
[12:17] <Dr_willis> !fonts
[12:17] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[12:18] <SlackRat> dunnno, i just set it up about two days ago......stopped configuring it and got what i needed via a bittorent
[12:18] <SlackRat> need to config it one o these days
[12:19] <Contrast> pjesi:, still there?
[12:19] <hendaus> SlackRat so what can i do to fix the problem????
[12:19] <kalagio> clau ?
[12:20] <clau> kalagio: hmm... my knowledge is unfortunately at its ends...
[12:20] <clau> try #v4l
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nividia
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nividia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:21] <tom__> join #beryl
[12:21] <tom__> oops!sorry
[12:21] <kalagio> clau thank you very much
[12:21] <clau> kalagio: sorry I could't help you any further
[12:21] <kalagio> i will ask in v4l
[12:22] <clau> show them the pastebins
[12:22] <clau> especially the first
[12:22] <franklin> hi pplz, need help, how can i mount another linux partition?
[12:22] <kalagio> thanks a lot
[12:22] <clau> no prob.
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin: mount /dev/something /where/it/should/be/mounted
[12:24] <franklin> i'm new on this
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin: alt+f2 --> konsole
[12:24] <jsiris> franklin --> kcontrol
[12:25] <jsiris> franklin: --> system settings --> partitions
[12:25] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:26] <heavy666> hi @all
[12:27] <heavy666> Hi, ist hier jemand, der sich mit Themes auskennt ?
[12:27] <jsiris> wieviel muss ich wissen, um mich damit auszukennen?
[12:27] <coreymon77> okay guys
[12:28] <heavy666> ich versuchte verzweifelt kde themes zu installieren die ich z. b. von kde-look.org gezogen hab
[12:28] <coreymon77> i got a replacement of the same card i used to have
[12:28] <coreymon77> same sound card
[12:28] <coreymon77> it works in windpws
[12:28] <coreymon77> but not in linux
[12:28] <Section32> Hey all
[12:28] <jsiris> heavy666: themes fr kdm?
[12:28] <crimsun> coreymon77: pastebin the info requested at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:28] <Section32> Whats the name of the CPU monitor that goes in the task bar?
[12:29] <heavy666> jo, fr kdm
[12:29] <Section32> I just had to reinstall my Kubuntu and I forgot.
[12:29] <jsiris> heavy666:k. was ist das problem?
[12:29] <heavy666> ich wrde gern mir mal die lcars dektops genauer ansehen
[12:29] <clau> heavy666: system settings -> kdm theme manager -> (administrator mode) install new theme
[12:30] <heavy666> hab ich versucht, jedoch ohne erfolg, es werden mir keine dateien angezeigt und ich hab auch schon versucht die via *.* einzeln mal anzusprechen aber der kann mit z. B. themerc oder ktheme nix anfangen
[12:31] <jsiris> heavy666: link des themes?
[12:31] <heavy666> jo, mom
[12:32] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:32] <ronniew> alright, back agai with another (prpably dumb) question :)
[12:33] <franklin> i got a linux partition hdb4 fron a previous distro, how can i mount it?
[12:33] <ronniew> when i enable beryl with aiglx my titlebars dissapear, any suggestions?
[12:33] <jsiris> franklin: did you find your way with kcontrol?
[12:34] <heavy666> z. b. http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lcars/
[12:34] <franklin> jsiris: i didnt
[12:34] <jsiris> franklin: but u did start kcontrol?
[12:34] <coreymon77> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7409/
[12:35] <franklin> i cant find anything about partition on kcontrol
[12:35] <jsiris> heavy666: dem screenshot nach ist es ein window manager theme..
[12:36] <SlackRat> sudo mount /dev/hda4
[12:36] <ScarFreewill> jhutchins: ping?
[12:36] <MadMatt> has anyone here had a problem with games skipping frames?
[12:36] <ScarFreewill> jhutchins: i got my drivers working :)
[12:37] <ScarFreewill> MadMatt: no, no prolblems here
[12:37] <MadMatt> well I have a go 7700 and the frames skip on games in glxgears
[12:37] <MadMatt> it skips like every 3 seconds
[12:37] <jsiris> franklin: okay. there s supposed to be "system settings"  (or something similiar) in the kcontrol menu on the left. do you see this
[12:37] <MadMatt> it's really annoying
[12:37] <franklin> SlackRat: cant find /dev/hdb4 en /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab
[12:38] <SlackRat> what does it show franklin?
[12:38] <franklin> yes, well in spanish,
[12:38] <SlackRat>   ,.media /hda4?
[12:39] <franklin> unknown error ocurred
[12:39] <wildchild> !worcraft
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worcraft - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <wildchild> !games
[12:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:39] <Chicory> !warcraft
[12:40] <SlackRat> its part 4, on hdb right?
[12:40] <franklin> jsiris:  i fount paritions onsystem settings but i cant do anything there
[12:40] <franklin> yes, it's corret
[12:40] <SlackRat> what *does* the fstab show?
[12:40] <jsiris> franklin: there s a button that says something like "system administrator"
[12:40] <SlackRat> does it show under storage media as an icon?
[12:41] <jsiris>  franklin: fstab shows all partitions including cdroms, dvds, usb-devices, scsi etc.
[12:41] <franklin> SlackRat: yes it show but i cant access
[12:41] <SlackRat> postbin your fstab....u may have to access as root....what filesystem is it?
[12:42] <jsiris> franklin: only root - the system administrator can edit it. that s y you need to click the button in kcontrol, which works as a graphical interface for editing fstab.
[12:42] <SlackRat> or sudo pico /etc/fstab........
[12:43] <jsiris> SlackRat: he might be better off with a graphical interface as a beginner...
[12:43] <robrobrob> \me
[12:43] <franklin> fstab bash: sftab: orden no encontrada
[12:44] <SlackRat> true, but it doesnt hurt to know about it, when the graphical doesnt work....
[12:44] <ronniew> no1 have an idea?
[12:44] <franklin> fstab doenst show anything
[12:44] <SlackRat> actually, i still prefer the graphical way meself. heh
[12:44] <SlackRat> pastebin your fstab
[12:44] <SlackRat> what partition is it for? distro? filesystem??
[12:45] <franklin> bash: sftab: orden no encontrada
[12:45] <eean> franklin: its a file, /etc/fstab
[12:46] <SlackRat> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[12:46] <SlackRat> and copy that and post it to one of the pastebins here or pastebin.ca
[12:48] <SlackRat> or go graphically to /home then use the up arrow to bring you to a root window, then go to etc,,,and find fstab
[12:50] <MadMatt> does anyone have an idea about why my games are skipping frames?
[12:50] <franklin> etc/fstab   there is not hdb4 parititon there
[12:50] <TMM> hey
[12:51] <TMM> aseigo: hey, well, I am getting used to KDE, I think I might even have found some stuff I like :)
[12:51] <SlackRat> u said that already, franklin, what IS there?
[12:51] <Kyral> MadMatt: Could be any number of reasons
[12:52] <Kyral> MadMatt: Computer not powerful enough, something else calling for the CPU (As in the nightly updatedb cronjob)
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> hi somone why my beryl work slowly
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[12:52] <MadMatt> well I installed the nvidia drivers and glxgears skips every 3 seconds
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> with stocks
[12:52] <Kyral> MadMatt: *shrug*
[12:52] <franklin> SlackRat: it's too much to copy and paste
[12:52] <wildchild> hem hem hem ubuntu games
[12:52] <wildchild> why there isn't in repos
[12:52] <wildchild> battle for wesnoth
[12:52] <KiPSeRoN> !nvidia
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <SlackRat> how could it be too much?
[12:53] <SlackRat> how many entires you have? you post it to pastebin so you dont flood the channel here
[12:53] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:54] <SlackRat> wesnoth isnt it repos?
[12:54] <lovloss> how do you enable restricted formats with *k*ubuntu?
[12:55] <lovloss> i cant play dvds, wmvs or mp3s :(
[12:55] <franklin> SlackRat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7413/
[12:55] <wildchild> lovloss: sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[12:55] <sebas_> Hi. Where can i get information about the package linux-restricted-modules? I would like to know exactly what modules are inside the package
[12:56] <dwidmann> !dvd | lovloss
[12:56] <ubotu> lovloss: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:56] <wildchild> lovloss: in your /etc/apt/sources.list enable mulitiverese
[12:56] <wildchild> multiverse*
[12:56] <lovloss> i did enable multiverse... its not finding libxine though
[12:56] <SlackRat> is it a windows ntfs or a linux partition?
[12:56] <wildchild> win
[12:56] <dwidmann> lovloss: did you Update after enabling multiverse?
[12:57] <lovloss> yes
[12:57] <wildchild> lovloss: paste your sources.list
[12:57] <franklin> it's a linux partition made with suse
[12:57] <aseigo> TMM: good to hear =))
[12:57] <lovewig> i am getting this error, but not running anything else that could be tying up my soundcard:ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[12:57] <lovewig> ALSA snd_pcm_open error: Device or resource busy
[12:57] <lovewig> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: No such file or directory
[12:57] <lovloss> !pastebin
[12:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:57] <dwidmann> Note also, there are two or three lines you have to uncomment to enable Multiverse.
[12:57] <heavy666> @Jsiris hast noch ne idee, wie ich das installieren soll ?
[12:57] <SlackRat> do you know if it were reiserfs or ext3 filestystem?
[12:58] <lovewig> only 3 lines lovloss
[12:58] <lovloss> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7414/
[12:58] <lovloss> hmm?
[12:58] <lovloss> what do you mean
[12:58] <franklin> i'm sure it's ext3 paritition
[12:58] <lovewig> oh sorry
[12:58] <dwidmann> lovloss: the line for multiverse isn't there
[12:59] <lovloss> it wasnt there to start with then
[12:59] <SlackRat> look at  entry 6, seems like a root partition for ext3
[12:59] <TMM> aseigo: well, I managed to make most tools stop begging for cookies, and made kontact stop crashing, and some other basic stuff, and, yes... the power is nice... although I still think that the sheer amount of options in konqueror is just insane, and over the top :) I'm going to like dolphin I think :)
[12:59] <wildchild> lovloss: line 16,17
[12:59] <lovloss> all i did was uncomment stuff
[12:59] <SlackRat> which is prolly Suse
[12:59] <wildchild> add multiverse at the and
[12:59] <dwidmann> add multiverse to the end of this line lovloss: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[12:59] <TMM> aseigo: and, I noticed I really missed using konqueror as a webbrowser :)
[12:59] <SlackRat> but the UUID= and all that shouldnt precede it at all
[12:59] <wildchild> lovloss: at the lines 16 and 17 :P
[12:59] <aseigo> TMM: heh.. dolphin: just for you, baby
[01:00] <jsiris> heavy666: ich schaus mir grad nochmal an. warum nimmst du den von freshmeat und nicht von kde-look?
[01:00] <SlackRat> it should look more like /devhdb4 /media/hdb4 ext3 defaults, errors=remount-ro 0     1
[01:01] <lovloss> still doesnt see it...
[01:01] <SlackRat> and the same with the swap under it
[01:01] <dwidmann> lovloss: and you've updated again right?
[01:01] <TMM> aseigo: just have to figure out how to make konqueror never, ever open a new window in webbrowser mode and an adblocker, and I think I might begin to feel at home :)
[01:01] <lovloss> oh >.<
[01:01] <heavy666> kde look gabs grad mal ein lcars theme, hab einfach alles gezogen was mir so unter die finger gekommen ist, aber installiert hab ich noch keins bekommen
[01:02] <lovloss> yep... still cant find it
[01:02] <wildchild> !ge
[01:02] <ubotu>       #ubuntu-ge - ~ For Georgian language support, please join #ubuntu-ge
[01:02] <wildchild> !de
[01:02] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:02] <franklin> SlackRat: before install kubunto i deleted suse parition but kept my home partition, now that paritions is hdb4
[01:02] <jsiris> heavy666: der von freshmeat scheint fr enlightenment zu sein, nicht kde.
[01:02] <heavy666> hab mich schon totgegooglet ;)
[01:02] <dwidmann> TMM: Setting -> configure Konqueror -> Web Behavior -> Advanced Options
[01:02] <Tuumba> !nvidia
[01:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:02] <aseigo> TMM: konqi has an adblocker as of.. um.. 3.5.something. it's in the settings dialog. never opening another window, there are some more settings in the Advanced Options button in the Tabs area
[01:03] <phisco> !ati
[01:03] <heavy666> iis das net ne art widget fr kde ? oder sind die berhaupt net komatibel
[01:03] <dwidmann> TMM: see also, Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Adblock Filters
[01:04] <SlackRat> look at this franklin, youre swap was also messed up
[01:04] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7415/
[01:04] <phisco> is it possible to test the driver of a graphic card (something like in point2play)
[01:04] <SlackRat> hdb2 is also commented out.....but ive fixed and edited something that may work
[01:04] <SlackRat> whats hdb2?
[01:05] <lovloss> Guys, its not finding it ....
[01:06] <firstc624> how come the forums from the kubuntu website require a username and password to view?
[01:06] <ozzicle> Anyone have an idea why my keyboard lags when I type, like I have to press and hold a key for it to show up....I killed kaccess and it resolved the issue, but that's a far from satisfactory solution
[01:06] <ozzicle> Anyone have any ideas
[01:06] <lovloss> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7417/   <--- :(
[01:07] <aseigo> ozzicle: go into the accessibilty control panel and turn it off there
[01:07] <dwidmann> The sources list looks fine ... do you have the package name right? It's libxine-extracodecs
[01:07] <aseigo> ozzicle: it can get autoactivated if activation is turned on, though you do get a dialog first and i -thought- that was turned off by default *shrugg8
[01:08] <ozzicle> !
[01:08] <ozzicle> Son of a gun
[01:08] <ozzicle> Thanks
[01:08] <ozzicle> I don't remember seeing that ever come up asking me
[01:08] <ozzicle> I was beating my head for that
[01:08] <ozzicle> Such a stupidly frustrating problem too.
[01:08] <wildchild> I have problem with my screen saver
[01:09] <jsiris> heavy666: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29054
[01:09] <wildchild> it wouldn't start..
[01:09] <lovloss> i got it right... still isnt working ;_;
[01:09] <jsiris> heavy666: erklrt dir, warum du nichts brauchbares findest... sry, vielleicht baut der dude mit dem letzten comment was fr dich zusammen.
[01:09] <SlackRat> looks okay, but another reason to install synaptic, if youre new.......you can add and subtract repos in a gui................much more stable and useable than adept
[01:10] <TMM> ah, much, much better
[01:10] <SlackRat> franklin, and the entries shouldnt be that messy in fstab, should look more like :
[01:10] <firstc624> in kubuntu do you use sudo like in the gnome counterpart?
[01:11] <SlackRat> pastebin.ca
[01:11] <SlackRat> oops
[01:11] <SlackRat>  wait
[01:11] <lovloss> well thanks
[01:11] <KiPSeRoN> somone can help me why my beryl work with stcok
[01:11] <lovloss> oh
[01:11] <KiPSeRoN> stocks
[01:11] <lovloss> how do you do dvds again?:
[01:12] <TMM> aseigo: dwidmann: thanks, this just made my life a lot better :)
[01:12] <heavy666_> re
[01:12] <dwidmann> !dvd | lovloss
[01:12] <ubotu> lovloss: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:12] <lovloss> thanks :3
[01:15] <SlackRat> wtf is wrong with ubuntu pastebin??
[01:17] <franklin> SlackRat: all my HD is a mess up, hdb1is 1kb
[01:17] <SlackRat> first, yes same thing cept for kdesu for gui
[01:17] <SlackRat> you have xp and suse on the box, thats it?
[01:18] <SlackRat> i saw one looked wrong
[01:18] <SlackRat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7420/
[01:18] <SlackRat> check that franklin
[01:18] <franklin> SlackRat: i deleted suse and swap partition before install kubuntu
[01:18] <luca> bye
[01:19] <SlackRat> and ubuntu is installed where?
[01:19] <SlackRat> doesnt look like you wrote your delete to the hard disk
[01:19] <NDPTAL85> What do I have to do to get Flash working on my system?
[01:20] <franklin> i hoped installer take unpartitionated space to install kubuntu and swap
[01:20] <flaccid_> !flash > NDPTAL85
[01:21] <SlackRat> but if suse wasnt properly uninstalled, where did kubuntu isntall??
[01:21] <SlackRat> in what unpartitioned space? free space? it will ask you whether to use it or to partition ti
[01:21] <SlackRat> it
[01:21] <TMM> is there any place to report little irky thingies, inconsistencies mostly?
[01:22] <SlackRat> TMM , such as?
[01:22] <TMM> stuff that is mildly annoying, but not exactly worth filing a fully fledged bugreport about
[01:22] <SlackRat> such as?
[01:22] <TMM> SlackRat: the fact that the menu item in konsole is called 'new shell' while the keyboard shortcut is called 'new session'
[01:22] <kalagio> how can i get in #v4l?
[01:22] <TMM> SlackRat: for instance, I've got more of those kind of things :)
[01:22] <SlackRat> the first bug report was 'theres no distro out there yet like ubuntu"
[01:23] <kalagio> #v4l
[01:23] <crazy_bus> for some reason square zero's have replaced all text in gtk applications.  What should I do?
[01:23] <franklin> SlackRat:  on suse i had 2 partitions "/" and "home", i just deleted "/" and swap
[01:23] <SlackRat> google em, see if theres a fix, or reconfig....and if its not working you can try a bug report
[01:23] <Sanne> kalagio: type: /j #v4l
[01:23] <NDPTAL85> Hrm anyone have any experience with this? http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html
[01:23] <TMM> SlackRat: how can I 'fix' that? that's not something that can be configured :)
[01:23] <SlackRat> it was still there, franklin.......people here arent psychic.....what are you running now, and where?
[01:24] <lovloss> would libqt3-headers give me all i need to program in qt3? anyone know?
[01:24] <franklin> i'm on kubuntu,
[01:24] <SlackRat> heh, i dont even see "new console' where are you seeing that
[01:25] <TMM> SlackRat: no, 'new shell' and 'new session'
[01:25] <Sanne> lovloss: you need some *-dev package, most likely libqt3-mt-dev
[01:25] <SlackRat> in session menu, is new shell, right
[01:25] <TMM> SlackRat: session > new shell but the keyboard shortcut is marked 'new session'
[01:25] <lovloss> okay, so *devs are libraries
[01:26] <lovloss> i need th e headers too right?
[01:26] <TMM> lovloss: the -dev packages are the headers
[01:26] <lovloss> why is there a *-header file then?
[01:26] <TMM> lovloss: wha?
[01:26] <lovloss> libqt3-headers - Qt3 header files
[01:27] <lovloss> there is, however , a libqt3-mt-dev
[01:27] <SlackRat> probably cause its referring to a new session IN the new shell
[01:27] <TMM> lovloss: interesting libqt3-mt-dev
[01:27] <TMM> SlackRat: no, it does the same thing
[01:27] <lovloss> so mt-dev is the good one?
[01:27] <Sanne> lovloss: *-dev packages are the development headers for the corresponding lib, installed mostly in /usr/include. I don't know about the libqt3-headers, but I think it shouldn't hurt to install them also.
[01:27] <TMM> lovloss: yes, it looks like libqt3-headers is some sort of transitional thing
[01:27] <lovloss> oh
[01:28] <SlackRat> theres barely a thing in unix you cant change, if you wanna waste time redoing and recoding and ....reinventing the wheel
[01:28] <SlackRat> we get used to unix , it doesn t generally get used to us
[01:28] <mizraim> que onda
[01:28] <TMM> lovloss: it's a meta package, it depends on libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-dev, libqt3-plugins-headers
[01:28] <mizraim> alguien sabe como le puedo hacer para
[01:28] <SlackRat> find and donwload The Unix Haters Handbook, for a few laughs at how the guys who invented unix complain about it
[01:28] <lovloss> i might get a bundle then, if i use aptitude
[01:28] <flaccid_> as for linux, we fork it hard for no reason
[01:28] <mizraim> poder activar mi wireles
[01:28] <TMM> SlackRat: I've read it :)
[01:29] <TMM> SlackRat: I'm not new to unix :P this is just a KDE inconsistency, and I wondered if some KDE devs cared or not
[01:29] <SlackRat> heh, so you know, you can either a) reinvent konsole and rewrite it and debug it
[01:29] <TMM> I'll just compile a list and dump it on -devel
[01:29] <SlackRat> or live with it, lol
[01:29] <flaccid_> TMM: whats the inconsitency
[01:29] <lovloss> WOAH, not only do i get every single qt3 header, but it automatically gievs me MESA and qt4 ;D
[01:29] <lovloss> i assume mesa means i can fiddle with opengl?
[01:29] <SlackRat> thats a kde dev issue tho
[01:29] <flaccid_> whats the issue
[01:30] <Sanne> lovloss: I have both packages installed
[01:30] <TMM> flaccid_: session > new shell. but, the keyboard shortcut is called 'new session' which made it hard for me to find
[01:30] <lovloss> Sanne - how does mesa work?
[01:30] <TMM> Sanne: no surprise, you get libqt3-mt-dev 'for free' if you install -headers :)
[01:30] <SlackRat> he doesnt like that in one menu a new session is called a new shell under another menu on konsole
[01:30] <lovloss> its giving me a gazillion things
[01:30] <lovloss> bring it on, dev, i got the space XD
[01:31] <SlackRat> youre basically complaining that sometimes its called terminal , sometimes console , sometimes wtf....
[01:31] <flaccid_> TMM: so keyboard shortcut for new shell tab is called new session?
[01:31] <Sanne> TWM: no, it only resommends libqt3-mt-dev (I'm on dapper, if that changes anything)
[01:31] <TMM> SlackRat: if you want to change the keyboard shortcut for something, labeled as 'something' in the menu, wouldn't you look for a keyboard shortcut named 'something' and not 'thisthing' ?
[01:31] <lovloss> I wish this thing had karel headers so i could make everyone's favorite stupid robot run around
[01:31] <Sanne> lovloss: sorry, I don't know how mesa works ;)
[01:31] <TMM> flaccid_: yes, and not 'new shell' like in the menu, which is confusing :)
[01:31] <lovloss> sanne - oh ok ^_^
[01:31] <flaccid_> TMM i agree
[01:31] <crazy_bus> here's a screenshot of the weird text in gtk apps http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numberic4.jpg
[01:31] <flaccid_> the names don't match
[01:31] <phisco> does somone know how to test the capabilities of a 3d gc in linux?
[01:32] <flaccid_> plus konsole calls a session the whole instance
[01:32] <flaccid_> so a new session should open an entirely new konsole, not a shell tab
[01:32] <SlackRat> so he says, i dont usually use key configs , i fire up from kde or cli
[01:32] <TMM> lovloss: mesa is the GL implementation of linux, it doesnt 'work' like anything, you just have to learn openGL programming :)
[01:32] <SlackRat> but no, i dont expect all of unix to work like i wouldve had it work if i designed it
[01:32] <lovloss> TMM - But that means i can access open gl #includes :)
[01:32] <flaccid_> its just a naming error, you could file it as a bug imo
[01:33] <SlackRat> yeah, there are no bugs too small, i said that
[01:33] <SlackRat> but thats a kde bug if its konsole
[01:33] <TMM> flaccid_: I don't care :) as long as the things are labeled the same for the same action! I don't care if it is called 'superwhizbang2k' as long as the menu item and the config screen for keyboard shortcuts are the same :)
[01:33] <flaccid_> luckily this is minor
[01:33] <flaccid_> far worse things to find hehe
[01:33] <SlackRat> so file a bug report
[01:33] <SlackRat> lol, flaccid
[01:33] <flaccid_> TMM: i totally agree
[01:33] <SlackRat> to kde
[01:33] <flaccid_> i take your approach all the time
[01:33] <TMM> but, I've found like 10 of these weird little inconsistencies alread ;)
[01:34] <SlackRat> the longer i run distros the more i see the problems are in the original apps that make up the distro
[01:34] <SlackRat> all kde apps, file em a report
[01:34] <flaccid_> TMM: raise them with #kde and their communication channels. that would be a good little report f you ask me
[01:34] <lovloss> I wonder how feisty will be. we're calling it feisty herd under kubuntu right?
[01:34] <TMM> I'm running feisty now
[01:34] <lovloss> TMM but isnt that beta?
[01:34] <SlackRat> lmao, i could probably come up with 30 more if you gave me ten minutes
[01:34] <TMM> yeah, dissapointingly stable
[01:35] <flaccid_> i find there to be a range of kde bugs that present, but the most is ubuntus implementation thats the problem
[01:35] <cpk1> oh boy
[01:35] <lovloss> TMM lol well thats kind of good too
[01:35] <cpk1> I think 5k+ might have been too many files for krename
[01:35] <SlackRat> well, it gets more complicated when they reinvent kcontrol as another app but kcontrol is also under the hood
[01:35] <lovloss> Im switching to feisty in may, so it will have plenty of time to fully stabalize. Besides, i just reinstalled yesterday. miffed my files up
[01:35] <coreymon77> und still wont work
[01:36] <SlackRat> its one reason i do most of my work on slack.....the packages remain closer to the upstream sources
[01:36] <Sanne> cpk1: there's a cli app named rename, maybe that one will cope ;)
[01:36] <coreymon77> and i need to to know if my new sound card works
[01:36] <SlackRat> no nifty tweaks on stuff that works fine already
[01:36] <TMM> so, is amarok an official kde app? :)
[01:36] <lovloss> it has a 'k'
[01:36] <TMM> well, if it is, I wonder if KDE has a hig :)
[01:36] <SlackRat> no, i think amarok is amarok, check under the HELP docs for background or on amarok  under help/about
[01:37] <cpk1> Sanne: well it hasnt crashed *yet* but it doesnt seem to be doing anything other than eat cycles =P
[01:37] <TMM> it feels completely alien :)
[01:37] <cpk1> I believe in it
[01:37] <SlackRat> probably made for kde, but not by kde
[01:37] <Sanne> cpk1: ha... give it some time :)
[01:37] <lovloss> did kde used to be proprietary? someone told me it did but i dont know the story
[01:38] <flaccid_> lovloss: never has. qt was non-free prior to 2000
[01:38] <SlackRat> the qt toolset its built on was
[01:38] <lovloss> aha i see
[01:38] <TMM> qt had the weird ass qpl license
[01:38] <SlackRat> till pressure from OSS people and debian made them open source a version of their tools and libs
[01:38] <TMM> yeah, debian wouldn't ship QT
[01:38] <SlackRat> yeah, still does for proprietary projects, but theres the OS one now
[01:38] <flaccid_> where the pressure came from is arguable, SlackRat
[01:38] <SlackRat> for years already
[01:39] <flaccid_> i'mgoing to get milk
[01:39] <SlackRat> came from many places......
[01:39] <lovloss> i really like kde. i had used gnome and it just feels more fun :3
[01:39] <TMM> flaccid_: users, the fsf, harmony and debian
[01:39] <SlackRat> i think debian got the most militant about it at the time, could double check the history again
[01:39] <lovloss> linus torvald said he thought kde was best ^_^ or at least i was told
[01:39] <TMM> funny thing, with the name 'harmony' it is the second time that a project set out to reimplement a proprietary product under that name was canceled because the proprietary product suddenly became GPL :)
[01:39] <SlackRat> recent flame war on that lately.....nasty words tween linux and gnome
[01:40] <flaccid_> still arguable but at least thats a few more people
[01:40] <coreymon77> i need to get my sound working
[01:40] <coreymon77> can anyone help?
[01:40] <flaccid_> i friend of mine is forking gnu gpl. its pretty coo
[01:40] <clau85> when trying to update from dapper to edgy from the alternate-CD, I get "can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk"
[01:40] <SlackRat> i cant hear you core, could you turn your sound up?
[01:40] <TMM> flaccid_: slack wouldn't ship it either, so, that would be about 80% of linux users that wouldn't have gotten access to QT on linux
[01:40] <SlackRat> :-P
[01:40] <SlackRat> yeah....
[01:40] <lovloss> They're going to review the GPL soon. Sun's in there being a butt because they'd like Solaris to get bigger than linux
[01:41] <TMM> I don't give a fuck as long as it is GPL :)
[01:41] <TMM> and, the linux kernel isn't exactly holy
[01:41] <SlackRat> but debian was pushing the FSPI line at the time.......
[01:41] <lovloss> i agree. I just care that the gpl doesnt get tarnished
[01:41] <SlackRat> some heavy lobby power
[01:41] <coreymon77> can anyone help?
[01:41] <cpk1> cmon krename you can do it
[01:41] <flaccid_> TMM: you seem to forget bsd/unix users...
[01:41] <lovloss> sound working, coreymon?
[01:42] <coreymon77> nope
[01:42] <lovloss> hmm
[01:42] <SlackRat> they have their own license
[01:42] <coreymon77> i got a new card
[01:42] <TMM> although, having a SunOS kernel with a stable ABI would probably result in more binary-only drivers, so I'd prefer linux actually
[01:42] <lovloss> *turns you over to the smarter guys:)*
[01:42] <TMM> flaccid_: and, in 2000 exactly how many people were using bsd's as workstations? :)
[01:42] <flaccid_> i prefer freebsd over it all
[01:42] <coreymon77> the smarter guys arent answering
[01:42] <SlackRat> imo, distros like mepis shouldve been flamed long before they were
[01:42] <lovloss> i know
[01:42] <lovloss> guys?
[01:42] <SlackRat> for mucking with the GPL
[01:42] <flaccid_> TMM: quite a large deal
[01:42] <lovloss> coremon's sound isnt working ^_^
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: as workstations? I doubt that
[01:43] <flaccid_> TMM: thats ignorance for ya
[01:43] <SlackRat> kmix, are the volumes up? and not muted?
[01:43] <Dr_willis> Gotta love Mepis... Lets use all the ubuntu stuff.. and not let them use our fancy features...   :)
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: well, at least I'm persistant :)
[01:43] <flaccid_> freebsd is great for desktop and has been since 1995
[01:43] <SlackRat> their fancy features are proprietary
[01:43] <coreymon77> i got a new card (which turned out to be crappier than the old one) so that i could fix my problems
[01:43] <lovloss> hmm
[01:43] <SlackRat> and they wouldnt release source code, said it put a financial burden on lil distros
[01:43] <TMM> flaccid_: no, it isn't, I tried it
[01:44] <coreymon77> so i need help
[01:44] <Dr_willis> Of course with out the fancy features... theres no reason to use mepis... not that theres much of a reason to use them anyway
[01:44] <SlackRat> now theyre hijacking the ubuntu work
[01:44] <lovloss> coreymon, #ubuntu is sometimes a good place to ask
[01:44] <flaccid_> TMM: thats you, not me and not the rest of the users in this world that did
[01:44] <SlackRat> lol, Dr WIllis
[01:44] <coreymon77> lovloss: why, this is kubuntu
[01:44] <flaccid_> its only you. and thats all that matters to people these days
[01:44] <lovloss> coreymon77: Same thing really, different gui
[01:44] <TMM> flaccid_: well, I suppose so :) I really disliked ports
[01:45] <clau85> any idea what this means?
[01:45] <clau85> when trying to update from dapper to edgy from the alternate-CD, I get "can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk"
[01:45] <TMM> flaccid_: and, I am not ditching freebsd as such :) It's a great OS, and the community around it is great, it just didn't work for me
[01:45] <flaccid_> TMM: that explains most of it....
[01:45] <SlackRat> yea, and the sound problem is prolly kde related
[01:45] <flaccid_> freebsd is not for linux users who expect things to be done for them. its for real computing people
[01:45] <SlackRat> im bi-distral
[01:45] <TMM> flaccid_: I'm just addicted to apt-get :)
[01:45] <SlackRat> bsd and linux
[01:45] <SlackRat> heh
[01:46] <flaccid_> TMM: im addicted to ports
[01:46] <SlackRat> have you tried ports?
[01:46] <flaccid_> i'm a freebsd user
[01:46] <lovloss> I like apt-get a lot XD
[01:46] <flaccid_> not kubuntu
[01:46] <Sanne> clau85: I found this, maybe it helps? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67999
[01:46] <flaccid_> i just help here
[01:46] <TMM> flaccid_: how? why? when? ports is just an agonisingly slow version of apt-get :)
[01:46] <SlackRat> i do a speedball mainline of apt and ports
[01:46] <SlackRat> pkg_add isnt tho
[01:46] <flaccid_> TMM: you really have no idea do you
[01:46] <coreymon77> guys, can you help me?
[01:46] <cpk1> woot Sanne it finished! =D
[01:46] <Dr_willis> coreymon77,  huh?
[01:46] <Dr_willis> power loss!!
[01:46] <coreymon77> my sound is not working
[01:46] <lovloss> *doesnt have any idea* apt-get works well enough
[01:46] <Dr_willis> bbl! power going out here
[01:46] <TMM> flaccid_: ports is just a huge dir with makefiles in, that download sources, have dependencies and patches in, isn't it?
[01:46] <lovloss> for me
[01:47] <Sanne> cpk1: ahh, see? Sometimes you just need faith ;)
[01:47] <SlackRat> corey, did you answer my question?
[01:47] <flaccid_> TMM: its far more than that
[01:47] <TMM> flaccid_: some rsync magic thrown in for good measure
[01:47] <Tibmol> how can i read the log files on console ?
[01:47] <Tibmol> what shoul i type ?
[01:47] <cpk1> only took 20 minutes lol
[01:47] <flaccid_> and you don't see the benefits and reason for it so i'd be wasting my breathe
[01:47] <coreymon77> SlackRat: question?
[01:47] <TMM> flaccid_: what more is it then? perhaps I just don't 'get' it :)
[01:47] <flaccid_> TMM: more ignorance heh
[01:47] <lovloss> break it up you guys >.< yeesh
[01:47] <SlackRat> you keep saying help me, when someone refers to your question you dont answer
[01:48] <flaccid_> a practical example would be. new kde comes out and goes to ports. people on ubuntu have to dist-upgrade and prey...
[01:48] <TMM> flaccid_: I don't like to ge ignorant, I came to this conclusion entirely by putting freebsd on my machine and forcing myself to work with it for a month, so I don't think calling me 'ignorant' is very fair
[01:48] <SlackRat> are the kmix volumes all un muted and up
[01:48] <flaccid_> TMM: ok its not fair
[01:48] <Tibmol> how can i read the log files on console ?
[01:48] <Tibmol> what shoul i type ?
[01:48] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes
[01:48] <lovloss> OS wars are silly. the only thing we should bash is micro$oft
[01:48] <SlackRat> cat /whatever log files you wanna read?
[01:48] <flaccid_> us freebsd users just do portupgrade
[01:48] <lovloss> >:)
[01:48] <coreymon77> SlackRat: please put my name before anything you say to help me
[01:49] <coreymon77> os i know its for me
[01:49] <SlackRat> have you gone to sound & multimedia in kde s control center
[01:49] <TMM> flaccid_: don't the freebsd people have to portupgrade and pray in exactly the same manner?
[01:49] <TMM> flaccid_: just, longer? :)
[01:49] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes
[01:49] <SlackRat> in too many conversations to keep typing your name
[01:49] <SlackRat> what happened in kde control?
[01:49] <coreymon77> SlackRat: tab completion
[01:49] <flaccid_> TMM: you never had to use ports anyway. you could just do pkg_add -r packagename to add the pre-compiled package from the internet
[01:49] <SlackRat> do you get a test sound?
[01:49] <Sanne> Tibmol: or (so you can scroll): less /path/to/log
[01:49] <flaccid_> TMM: no we dont.
[01:49] <SlackRat> d;uh.....
[01:50] <coreymon77> type it once, and then you can just press tab and it will type it again for you
[01:50] <SlackRat> no kidding......
[01:50] <flaccid_> like i said freebsd is for real computing people. not high level linux users who are used to packaging.
[01:50] <coreymon77> SlackRat: no i did not get test sound
[01:50] <TMM> flaccid_: but, what's the difference between doing a portupgrade and an apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:50] <SlackRat> when i ask a question, i tend to pay attention
[01:50] <TMM> flaccid_: why is portupgrade better?
[01:50] <SlackRat> not wait for my name to light up
[01:50] <clau85> Sanne: that didn't help :(
[01:50] <flaccid_> TMM: there are many i don't feel like wasting my time getting into it
[01:51] <TMM> flaccid_: I'd really like to know
[01:51] <SlackRat> do you get a sound when you hit test sound button?
[01:51] <coreymon77> SlackRat: no
[01:51] <SlackRat> what is the device for sound?
[01:51] <flaccid_> all packaging systems have their issues. it would be stupid to make comparisons on this leve
[01:51] <SlackRat> autodetect?
[01:51] <coreymon77> yes
[01:51] <Sanne> clau85: oh, sorry to hear that. I don't know otherwise, I just googled your error message, sorry.
[01:51] <soulrider> hi
[01:51] <soulrider> !es
[01:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:51] <SlackRat> try alsa,....and apply
[01:51] <SlackRat> or OpenSound
[01:51] <TMM> flaccid_: fair enough, but, I really did come to this conclusion by trying it, I am not just being a parrot here :)
[01:51] <SlackRat> and see if you get sounds on test sound
[01:51] <clau85> Sanne: thanks anyway
[01:52] <Sanne> clau85: you're welcome
[01:52] <flaccid_> the big difference is apt-get is installing packages. ports is compiling. did you even know that?
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: I even upgraded to -CURRENT to get iwi to work for my wireless nic :)
[01:52] <clau85> I'll google it further
[01:52] <flaccid_> i'm going to get my milk now
[01:52] <lovloss> *new subject* feisty fawn needs a really sultry anthropomorphic fawn logo. >:D
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: I knew that :) that is why it is slow
[01:52] <SlackRat> im getting coffee.......brb. coreymon77
[01:52] <flaccid_> TMM: but you don't even know why you are compiling....
[01:52] <flaccid_> this is the problem
[01:52] <flaccid_> i have to go
[01:52] <TMM> flaccid_: but, because everyone compiles with the same compiler flags and settings, there's no real point, because the binaries on all machines should be the same
[01:53] <lovloss> i think when you compuile on your computer specifically it woorks better for you, TMM
[01:53] <coreymon77> SlackRat: nothing
[01:53] <TMM> only if you set your compiler to USE the features of your machine
[01:53] <flaccid_> TMM: but what everyone has installled as its deps is different.
[01:53] <lovloss> perhaps bsd has that capability
[01:53] <TMM> if I compile a binary on *any* ubuntu 6.10 machine, the binaries will be identical
[01:54] <TMM> flaccid_: doesn't ports just pull in the dependencies itself as well?
[01:54] <cpk1> unless they are running 64bit
[01:54] <flaccid_> this is why im not going to waste my time explaining it all. you can read about this on the net. i don't need to explain
[01:54] <flaccid_> TMM: what i'm saying is that the deps i have installed may be different versions to the next user
[01:54] <flaccid_> so something pre-compiled is not always going to help at all
[01:54] <flaccid_> thus the build
[01:54] <flaccid_> there is loads more
[01:54] <flaccid_> but i have to get milk ok?
[01:54] <TMM> flaccid_: have fun :)
[01:55] <SlackRat> getting milk is fun?
[01:56] <SlackRat> coreymon77: anything yet?
[01:56] <coreymon77> nothing
[01:56] <SlackRat> did you just install? or did you have sound and lost it ?
[01:56] <coreymon77> had sound and lost it
[01:56] <SlackRat> when?
[01:57] <coreymon77> that was the cards fault though
[01:57] <coreymon77> it happened about 2 weeks ago
[01:57] <SlackRat> it died?
[01:57] <coreymon77> i replaced the card
[01:57] <coreymon77> yup
[01:57] <SlackRat> is the new card SECURELY inserted and fastened?
[01:57] <coreymon77> yup
[01:58] <SlackRat> k....have you checked google for that model and any kubuntu kde related problems
[01:58] <SlackRat> >
[01:58] <SlackRat> ?
[01:58] <coreymon77> its the same card
[01:58] <SlackRat> see, on konsole if you can get alsaconf running
[01:58] <SlackRat> sudo alsaconf
[01:59] <SlackRat> one problem atm is that the kubuntu forums are down
[01:59] <dsmith_> hmmmm well I'll be
[02:00] <SlackRat> unless you read german
[02:00] <dsmith_> office 2003 does work w/ crossover
[02:00] <cpk1> that used to be all crossover did
[02:00] <SlackRat> dsmith, is that a bug or a feature?
[02:00] <dsmith_> for me a feature
[02:00] <SlackRat> heh
[02:00] <dsmith_> I am closing the gap to migrating away from windoze
[02:01] <coreymon77> alsaconf: command not found
[02:01] <SlackRat> im actually more comfortable with OO than MS now
[02:01] <cpk1> you mean alsamixer?
[02:01] <dsmith_> SlackRat: I am as well
[02:01] <SlackRat> ok corey, install alsa-utils......
[02:01] <SlackRat> do you have synaptic, corey?
[02:01] <coreymon77> you mean adept?
[02:01] <the_hammer> hey all anyone have a link for the 3.5.6 instructions?
[02:02] <dsmith_> this was just proof of concept to myself so I can learn for myself
[02:02] <SlackRat> no, synaptic
[02:02] <SlackRat> more features and gui options than adept
[02:02] <coreymon77> SlackRat: already have them
[02:02] <cpk1> meh, just use aptitude =P
[02:02] <SlackRat> you want to try and load up alsa modules, alsa pkgs.....a few
[02:02] <dsmith_> synaptic is nicer
[02:02] <SlackRat> so you can run alsaconf to set up ur card
[02:03] <SlackRat> synaptic is much nicer
[02:03] <dsmith_> *nOD*
[02:03] <dsmith_> remember NOD vs GDI?
[02:03] <dsmith_> :P
[02:03] <SlackRat> adept is like replacing kcontrol with system settings.....pointless
[02:03] <SlackRat> heh
[02:03] <julle> How do i bring up the kdm theme manager?
[02:04] <dsmith_> they should take synaptic, color it blue and call it kynaptic
[02:04] <SlackRat> coreymon77: sudo apt-get synaptic
[02:04] <dsmith_> :P
[02:04] <SlackRat> they did at one point
[02:04] <cpk1> julle: install kdmtheme first
[02:04] <dsmith_> oh really?
[02:04] <SlackRat> it faded away in later releases
[02:04] <dsmith_> oh damn
[02:04] <julle> cpk1: ok thx
[02:04] <SlackRat> less features than synaptic, they tinkered with it too much
[02:05] <dsmith_> KISS
[02:05] <SlackRat> or just never fully adopted it to kde
[02:05] <julle> cpk1: ok got it
[02:05] <SlackRat> heh, KISS is the slackware motto
[02:05] <coreymon77> SlackRat: what alsa packages do you want me to get
[02:05] <rforce> m
[02:05] <orient2000> Hi! Is there any way to send e-mail from console using line commands?
[02:05] <julle> cpk1: how do i bring it up now?
[02:05] <dsmith_> i just removed ubuntu and xubuntu desktops on this machine
[02:05] <SlackRat> i generally make sure i have alsa , alsa utils , alsa tools ,alsa headers, alsa drivers
[02:05] <dsmith_> i was using them as demo's
[02:06] <cpk1> julle: kmenu > run command and run kdmtheme
[02:06] <julle> ok thx
[02:06] <SlackRat> even some of the alsa driver s for OpenSound.....you can skip Jack for the moment.......
[02:06] <coreymon77> SlackRat: what alsa packages do you want me to get?
[02:06] <SlackRat> just told you a bunch
[02:06] <SlackRat> ill give you the list i have installed
[02:07] <julle> cpk1: great thank you for your help!
[02:07] <linuxgoober> can someone tell me what is wrong with my grub configuration? http://pastebin.ca/370991
[02:07] <orient2000> there is no kdmtheme on my system, why?
[02:07] <cpk1> julle: yup, you can get themes from kde-look.org and can usually install them from that menu without having to untar them or anything
[02:07] <cpk1> because you need to install it
[02:07] <TMM> linuxgoober: that depends a bit on what you expect it to do
[02:08] <SlackRat> alsa.....base , utils,  libesd-alsa.....
[02:08] <SlackRat> libpt plugins alsa
[02:08] <linuxgoober> everything works but booting windows xp pro
[02:08] <SlackRat> libsdl debian alsa
[02:08] <cpk1> you dont need libesd-alsa on kde...
[02:08] <soulrider> linuxgoober: hold on a sec
[02:08] <TMM> linuxgoober: on line 35 you don't have a title block, also, you should move it down
[02:08] <SlackRat> sometimes esd is the only sound that works on some distros
[02:08] <draik> Does anyone here run frostwire with Beryl Window Manager
[02:08] <draik> ?
[02:08] <SlackRat> linux sound base
[02:09] <TMM> linuxgoober: on line 170, you have title=windows xp, loose the '='
[02:09] <TMM> linuxgoober: do you know what you have to do?
[02:09] <SlackRat> alsamixer gui could be nice
[02:09] <julle> cpk1: yeah i just did that :D
[02:09] <linuxgoober> no, what do i need to do on line 35?
[02:09] <Linux_Galore> draik: Beryl is still classified as unstable and you will have issues
[02:09] <SlackRat> alsatools, if i didnt mention that one
[02:10] <soulrider> draik: frostwire is a java application
[02:10] <draik> Linux_Galore: Ok. So then I'm just s.o.l
[02:10] <soulrider> beryl jas issues with java applications, it just doesnt load the buttons and stuff
[02:10] <soulrider> youll have to disable beryl to use frostwire
[02:10] <SlackRat> and check the info on alsa firmware loaders to see if your card is there
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> draik: especially if its a java app because thats not been done yet
[02:10] <draik> soulrider: I know. It runs with the default window manager, but not Beryl
[02:10] <Blu3> how do i fix the renice error with adept so updates will commit?  initial install and update of packages
[02:10] <SlackRat> are you on synaptic now?
[02:10] <draik> Linux_Galore: Ok. I think I finally understand this. Thank you Linux_Galore
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> draik: most people forget Beryl is work in progress
[02:12] <draik> Linux_Galore: obviously I have :P
[02:12] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes i am
[02:13] <coreymon77> and most of those packages i already have
[02:13] <velle> I have an offtopic prob, I had a file distributed as rar foo.part001.rar, foo.part002.rar etc, i extracted them by typing "rar e foo.part* .", whereas i think i should have typed "rar e foo.part* bar". Now it has all been extracted, but each file has been extracted to a file of the same name. I now need to concatenate all these files together. How do I do that?
[02:13] <SlackRat> so youll see a desription of firmware loader, see if one is your hardware
[02:13] <SlackRat> if so install it
[02:13] <orient2000> I had some problems during kdmtheme installation
[02:13] <orient2000> Reading package lists... Done
[02:13] <orient2000> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:13] <orient2000> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[02:13] <orient2000>   kdmtheme
[02:13] <coreymon77> except for alsa-tools alsamixer-gui and alsa-firmware-loader
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> draik: with Java moving to an open license things should start working
[02:13] <SlackRat> and hit apply to find out what its gonna download........what do you mean except?
[02:14] <draik> linux_
[02:14] <saunders> berel agl? is this easy to get installed is it wise to install this gys?
[02:14] <orient2000> sorry  for this paste http://pastebin.ca/raw/371006
[02:14] <saunders> xgl*
[02:14] <SlackRat> you dont have those in your repositories?
[02:14] <draik> !beryl | saunders
[02:14] <coreymon77> yes
[02:14] <ubotu> saunders: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:14] <coreymon77> i do
[02:14] <coreymon77> and im installing them now
[02:14] <saunders> thanks :)
[02:14] <bxnp-sleep> saunder, just keep your system and leave beryl allone who needs beryl anyway to get those nice moving windows etc etc :)
[02:14] <coreymon77> i could have also used apt you know
[02:15] <coreymon77> anyways
[02:15] <SlackRat> when all that alsa nonsense is installed.....you should get a response for sudo alsaconf
[02:15] <coreymon77> i now have the packages
[02:15] <SlackRat> which will walk you thru a card setup
[02:15] <draik> Linux_Galore: I hope it all works out. I really love beryl. I find it much more efficient to do work. Escpecially since I remote to my friend's computer quite a bit
[02:15] <SlackRat> and then put the sound server in kde control to either autodetect or alsa
[02:16] <coreymon77> still nothing
[02:16] <SlackRat> and quite often? you ll need to log out to let them run......alsaconf provides nothing?
[02:16] <coreymon77> alsaconf still give me nothing
[02:17] <SlackRat> k, hold on....
[02:17] <saunders> where cani download beryl?
[02:17] <saunders> how install beryl?
[02:18] <SlackRat> you on dapper or edgy?
[02:18] <crazy_bus> I'm using kubuntu but for some reason all gtk apps have rectangles instead of letters.  What should I do?  here is a screenshot http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=numberic4.jpg
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> draik: the remote stuff is nothing to do with Beryl
[02:18] <coreymon77> edgy
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> draik: Beryl is basically fancy window dressing
[02:19] <Tuumba> !nvidia
[02:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:20] <draik> Linux_Galore: No no no... I like beryl because I can go around my cube from his desktop (desktop A) to Firefox (desktop B) to amaroK (desktop C) to Konversation (desktop D)
[02:20] <saunders> how do i get set up with beryl please?
[02:21] <SlackRat> did you update edgy recently?
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> crazy_bus: on kcontrol there is thing to Apply kde fonts to GTK (Gnome) Apps
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> in*
[02:21] <crazy_bus> yes
[02:21] <BluesKaj> err draik, still the pc ...what so wonderful about that ?
[02:22] <coreymon77> SlackRat: ya, but my sound broke atleast a week and a half after
[02:22] <crazy_bus> use my kde fonts and kde theme are both selected
[02:23] <SlackRat> well we have two problems.......ubuntu claims alsaconf isnt necessary according to  a number of forum posts...then check this link.....
[02:23] <SlackRat> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/virtual/alsaconf
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> draik: actually the cube effect also works without Beryl, its actually code from another project called 3ddesktop
[02:23] <bengt_> anyone got time to help with some usb wlan dongle problems? :]  spent hours doing guides and reading faqs.. no luck
[02:24] <Adydas> is there a list of MS prodcuts wine can support?
[02:24] <SlackRat> but with apt, or synapt, all those dependencies shouldve been installed with alsa-utils
[02:24] <SlackRat> do you get anything with alsamixer, on command line?
[02:24] <coreymon77> i already had alsa-utils
[02:24] <coreymon77> yes
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> Adydas: look on the wine home page
[02:24] <Hirvinen> Adydas: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[02:25] <SlackRat> you see the next page on that link...? do you have dialog and all those deps installed?
[02:25] <bengt_> does anyone know why my wlan0 isn't set, even though KInfoCenter lists my Netgear WLAN USB adapter among the USB devices?
[02:25] <SlackRat> (which shouldve apted automagically....... :S
[02:25] <saunders> wtf is katapult?
[02:26] <draik> I used 3ddesktop
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> bengt_: just because it can see the device doesnt mean it will work
[02:26] <coreymon77> SlackRat: yes, i have alsa-utils and all of its dep
[02:26] <coreymon77> s
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> saunders: its a simple application launcher
[02:26] <saunders> thanks
[02:26] <SlackRat> see if alsamixer runs
[02:26] <SlackRat> on command line
[02:26] <coreymon77> it does
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> saunders: usually you trigger it with  alt+space
[02:26] <bengt_> Linux_Galore: i know, but i can't get anything to work. tried ndiswrapper and prism2_usb
[02:26] <saunders> how can i find out if i have all the latest drivers for my motherboard etc etc ?
[02:27] <saunders> and how do u use katapult
[02:27] <bengt_> Linux_Galore: ndiswrapper -l says driver present, but nothing about hw...
[02:27] <FordPrefect_NZ> hiya. when i activate the mac-os like menu bar option, i get the menu bar at the top and a empty non-editable grey bar underneath it. how can i remove the intrusive grey bar? thanks in advance :-)
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> saunders: just run it,  then press alt+space bar
[02:27] <SlackRat> corey, is everything unmuted there?
[02:27] <coreymon77> yes
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> saunders: the rest is obvious
[02:28] <SlackRat> PCM ?
[02:28] <saunders>  linux_galore i have run it i just get a picture
[02:28] <saunders> of a slong shot then it goes :S....
[02:28] <saunders> sling*
[02:28] <coreymon77> yes
[02:28] <saunders> aint obvious to me tho lol
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> saunders: ok type the first few letters of an applications name  ie  konq  for konqueror then  hit enter
[02:28] <SlackRat> use the arrow key and make sure PC Speakers all the way to the right is up too
[02:28] <Sanne> saunders: usually the linux kernel loads all necessary drivers for your hardware, except proprietary drivers like nvidia or ati video. Those you would have to instal manually.
[02:29] <julle> i have problems with my sources.list. When i do apt-get update is hangs at 99% waiting for headers
[02:29] <saunders> wicked thanks linux galore
[02:29] <saunders> i like it! lol
[02:29] <NDPBG4> Man
[02:29] <coreymon77> yes
[02:29] <coreymon77> its at 87
[02:29] <NDPBG4> Do you guys know about EasyUbuntu?
[02:29] <saunders> sanne: thanks
[02:29] <BluesKaj> !EasyUbuntu
[02:29] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[02:29] <SlackRat> k.......see if any of this sounds familiar, its a bug report
[02:30] <SlackRat> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/23180
[02:30] <SlackRat> man problem here, is im on dapper.......
[02:30] <NDPowerBook> I just used it and it installed all the video codecs you need and ati/nvidia drivers and you don't even have to edit any source lists.
[02:30] <crazy_bus> is there anything I can do to restore the fonts.  Because gtk apps are set to use kde fonts but they still wont work
[02:30] <SlackRat> so dunno what edgys problems are
[02:30] <NDPowerBook> It can even install Microsoft fonts
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: do you have two audio devices  ie on board sound and a pci card ?
[02:31] <SlackRat> do I ? no, its coreymon77's question
[02:31] <SlackRat> i have onboard only
[02:31] <coreymon77> i have pci only
[02:31] <SlackRat> hmn, what brand?
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> if you have two sound devices some times you have to define the default or nothing happens
[02:31] <coreymon77> creativ labs sound blaster
[02:32] <Sanne> saunders: you can check which kernel modules (= drivers) are loaded currently by typing 'lsmod' in konsole. The hardware the kernel recognized can be shown for example by 'lspci' or 'lspci -v' or 'lshw', or by studying the kernel log (less /var/log/kern.log).
[02:33] <SlackRat> well, first check over that bug report......and start digging into edgy sound problems soundblaster...........before that, see what happens if you type 'sudo artswrapper'
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> type   sudo asoundconf list   to check your available sound chipsets
[02:33] <saunders> so just type in ismod in konsole?
[02:33] <SlackRat> good news is artsd for kde sound is going inversion four, its a nightmare
[02:33] <saunders> or is their other commands to type in
[02:33] <saunders> ?
[02:33] <Sanne> saunders: lsmod (with an 'el')
[02:33] <saunders> el?
[02:33] <julle> What todo when apt-get update hangs at 99% ?
[02:34] <Sanne> saunders: lsmod, not ismod
[02:34] <saunders> i dont understand im completlely new to this
[02:34] <SlackRat> and like Linux-G just said type   sudo asoundconf
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: it will still be there just not in the same function
[02:34] <coreymon77> SlackRat: absolutely nothing happens when i do sudo artswrapper
[02:34] <SlackRat> try without sudo
[02:34] <saunders> done it sanne thanku
[02:34] <Sanne> saunders: now type: lspci -v
[02:34] <SlackRat> Linux, dont say that , argggg!
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: type   sudo asoundconf list
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> SlackRat: does anything show up
[02:35] <Hasrat_USA> i have a question
[02:35] <coreymon77> i did the list thing
[02:35] <saunders> yes now sanne?
[02:35] <coreymon77> and it shows my one sound card
[02:35] <SlackRat> yes, the card name
[02:35] <SlackRat> available sound cards
[02:36] <coreymon77> yes
[02:36] <coreymon77> my one card
[02:36] <Hasrat_USA> if i have installed Ubuntu, then one day decided to install Kubuntu-desktop from Ubuntu, should I be in here? or should i have installed Kubuntu and then joined this channel?
[02:36] <Sanne> saunders: nothing, you just can investigate this output.
[02:36] <saunders> thanks sanne
[02:36] <Sanne> saunders: I have another neat info thingy for you:
[02:36] <coreymon77> and running the command without sudo gave me a lot of stuff
[02:37] <Sanne> saunders: you can get info about those module names you got from lsmod by typing: modinfo <modulename>
[02:37] <saunders> sanne: which is :)?
[02:37] <saunders> kool
[02:37] <Linux_Galore> Hasrat_USA: Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with kde as the default
[02:37] <saunders> module name? as in nvidia?
[02:37] <SlackRat> hasrat, no  matter
[02:37] <SlackRat> if youre in kde desktop ,here is the place
[02:37] <Sanne> saunders: yes, the name you get listed woth lsmod
[02:38] <saunders> swish cheers
[02:38] <Hasrat_USA> SlackRat: then should i be in #ubuntu also?
[02:38] <coreymon77> SlackRat: do you want to know what artswrapper w/o sudo gave me?
[02:38] <SlackRat> no, nine hundred people there, tis a madhouse
[02:38] <SlackRat> yeah
[02:38] <Sanne> saunders: you can even tab complete. Type modinfo nvi<tab>, then it completes all modules there are that start with nvi
[02:38] <SlackRat> corey, prolly a cant start? error
[02:38] <coreymon77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7435/
[02:39] <saunders> wicked ne thing else?
[02:39] <saunders> lol
[02:40] <coreymon77> SlackRat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7435/
[02:40] <SlackRat> hmn, its running........see if rebooting with all the added packages and having alsa or autodetect starts up your sound
[02:40] <coreymon77> okay
[02:40] <Sanne> saunders: nothing I can think of right now... but there's lots more. There always is ;)
[02:40] <Sanne> saunders: acutally, yes, since you're new
[02:40] <saunders> :) yes... lol
[02:42] <Sanne> saunders: you can tab complete any konsole command. So, to find out available commands starting with 'a', you type: a<tab><tab>. If you want to know what those commands do, you can find out by typing: man <command>
[02:43] <Sanne> saunders: when you are in a so called man page, you quit again to konsole by hitting 'q'
[02:44] <saunders> oo thats nifty sanne
[02:44] <saunders> lol
[02:44] <saunders> i like
[02:44] <Sanne> saunders: that's kind of necessary knowledge for survival, imo ;)
[02:45] <saunders> :D
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> also  www.google.com/linux   is your best buddy
[02:47] <SlackRat> corey any sound on startup?
[02:47] <Linux_Galore> it tells google to filter none Linux specific pages from a search
[02:47] <coreymon77> SlackRat: nope
[02:48] <SlackRat> well, youre not alone............http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341177
[02:48] <SlackRat> its from a few days ago
[02:49] <SlackRat> you might want to test by running  edgy live and see if it gives you sound
[02:49] <SlackRat> sign into this forum thread, and keep updated till someone solves it........
[02:50] <SlackRat> post your own experience there
[02:50] <coreymon77> i dont have an edgy live
[02:50] <coreymon77> i have a dapper live
[02:50] <SlackRat> dapper sound was fine?
[02:50] <coreymon77> dapper was ages ago
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> Dapper ->Edgy isnt a good web update I found
[02:51] <SlackRat> its why i seldom try to get the new release.......dapper is supported for three years and was meant to be stable.....edgy is edgy and released in october
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> 101 broken things
[02:51] <coreymon77> SlackRat: ive had edgy since it came out
[02:51] <Linux_Galore> easier to back /home  and do a fresh install
[02:51] <SlackRat> unless youre a bleeding edge hacker who likes playing with his system, dont upgrade unless you need a new feature from a new release......
[02:52] <coreymon77> and my sound only broke a while ago
[02:52] <coreymon77> a week and a half
[02:52] <Linux_Galore> back-up*
[02:52] <SlackRat> if you like hacking about, then update.....edgy is called edgy for a reason
[02:52] <SlackRat> you ll have annoying days like this, heh
[02:52] <coreymon77> its got nothing to do with it though
[02:52] <coreymon77> its not edgy
[02:53] <crusty> hello!i have problem to connect to automatix repository on port 80....any help?
[02:53] <coreymon77> crusty: i have a suggestion
[02:53] <coreymon77> crusty: dont use automatix!!!
[02:53] <SlackRat> but we still cant pinpoint when youre old card died, and why and why a new card fails as well
[02:53] <coreymon77> the new card works in linux though
[02:53] <SlackRat> yea
[02:54] <coreymon77> i mean
[02:54] <coreymon77> windows
[02:54] <coreymon77> asdfghjkllllll;'';lkjhgfdsaasdfghjkl;'
[02:54] <BluesKaj> crusty, there is no special port required to connect to automatix
[02:54] <SlackRat> but the old one stopped exacrtly  it worked in windows, or it was dead there too?
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77:   try running  asoundconf list then  sasoundconf set-default-card card_as_listed
[02:54] <coreymon77> yes
[02:54] <coreymon77> it died in windows too
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: ooh put sudo in front of each one
[02:54] <coreymon77> asdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdasdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdssdfghjkl;';lkjhgfdsdfghjkl;lkjhgfdssdfghjkl;lkjhfdfghjkllokjhfgfhjkl;lkjfghjkl;lkjhgfgdhjkljkhfgdhjkglkjfhdgfahjdkflg;hjkjhgdfaASGHJKL;
[02:55] <SlackRat> well we found it on edgy now....try what LInux Galore just told you
[02:55] <desi007> as soon as I log in kde says laptop lid is closed suspending on relogin it works fine :(
[02:55] <SlackRat> wtf was that??
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77:   so it should be  sudo asoundconf list   then  sudo asoundconf set-default-card  card_listed
[02:56] <coreymon77> Linux_Galore: i did that before i restarted
[02:56] <SlackRat> do it again
[02:56] <coreymon77> I DID
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: card_listed   being the card that was previously listed
[02:56] <coreymon77> whoops
[02:56] <crusty> well...this is what i get from the konsole:  Failed to fetch http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/edgy/Release.gpg  Could not connect to www.getautomatix.com:80 (82.165.193.29). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[02:56] <coreymon77> sorry
[02:56] <coreymon77> didnt know that caps wasnon
[02:56] <SlackRat> np
[02:56] <coreymon77> crusty: use apt
[02:57] <crusty> what you mean
[02:57] <coreymon77> dont use automatix
[02:57] <coreymon77> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:58] <SlackRat> its not supported crusty, but i wouldnt go near automatix, i d use easyubuntu for codecs and stuff.......but peoople caution against that one too
[02:58] <SlackRat> corey, you have kubuntu only, or both desktops installed?
[02:59] <slyfox> I use this program and it has to be run via Terminal:  xtightvncviewer 192.168.1.7      this is the program to remotley connect to windows. Is there any way to make like an executable bin bash or soemthing so that I can click on it and it will do it automatically ?
[02:59] <coreymon77> ku only
[03:00] <SlackRat> dont think ive ever run only one desktop, theres always problems with kde alone lately, that didnt happen when i installed ubu kubu and xubu from a dvd......all the libs i could want are there by default.....
[03:00] <SlackRat> you upgraded it from a dapper install?
[03:00] <coreymon77> yes
[03:00] <coreymon77> right when edgy came out
[03:01] <Sanne> slyfox: you could make a launcher on the panel (or in the menu) that starts konsole and executes this command in it. Should I look for the syntax?
[03:01] <flaccid> anyone know an alternative ssh server?
[03:01] <SlackRat> let me ask you a simple quesiton....do you like keeping up with releases and testing and bug tracking, or do you jus want a system that works?
[03:01] <slyfox> Sanne: how do i do that ?
[03:01] <coreymon77> SlackRat: i like edgy, i like it better than dapper, and good luck getting me to change bacl
[03:01] <coreymon77> back'
[03:02] <SlackRat> lol, good luck with your sound........
[03:02] <Sanne> slyfox: do you know how to make a panel launcher button or a menu entry? Which one would you prefer?
[03:02] <saunders> xubuntu ? what is it
[03:02] <azriel> anyone else lose audio on kxmame?
[03:02] <saunders> is it good what makes it diff from the resT?
[03:02] <coreymon77> SlackRat: it wasnt edgy that broke it
[03:02] <SlackRat> are you new to linux?
[03:02] <coreymon77> no
[03:02] <saunders> yer
[03:02] <coreymon77> ive been using it for 60 years
[03:02] <coreymon77> 6*
[03:03] <SlackRat> then you know that distros with kde often have this sound nightmare....?
[03:03] <SlackRat> and gnome desktops have their own annoying quirks
[03:03] <coreymon77> then what do you suggest it do
[03:03] <SlackRat> post the problem, other people have it too
[03:03] <coreymon77> switch to xfce?
[03:04] <saunders> ubuntu? xubuntu? kubuntu which shud i use!!!?!? help please
[03:04] <saunders> whats the differne. new user here.
[03:04] <SlackRat> your new card works in windows.....and NEVER worked when you isntalled it on dapper.....right
[03:04] <slyfox> Sanne: I use Kubuntu and there is katapult, so perhaps some kind of a shorcut to the launcher maybe will do? I was actually thinking of making like a text file with the command in it and then makeing it execuatble and then launching it and then just create a shortcut. I may be talking nonsense as I am only learning Linux.
[03:04] <coreymon77> 
[03:04] <SlackRat> saunders, different desktops
[03:04] <SlackRat> install ubuntu and add kde so you can try both
[03:05] <saunders> just different styles but each linux does exactly the same thing?
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: also please note, that I usually enter 2 strings: xtightvncviewer 192.168.1.7  to connect and the next line - it asks me for the password and I neter it and I am logged in
[03:05] <SlackRat> its the same distro, didffernt desktops
[03:05] <coreymon77> 
[03:05] <coreymon77> 
[03:05] <saunders> so same thing different visual style?
[03:05] <Sanne> slyfox: no, this is also a very good idea, we actually would start with making a script. How we start it depends on if you need to keep the konsole windows to stay open or not.
[03:05] <SlackRat> sort of, different tools etc
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: forget about waht I wrote - I use Kubuntu *** I thought I was in the ubuntu channel
[03:05] <saunders> which is best
[03:05] <SlackRat> corey, what did you use before ubuntu?
[03:05] <saunders> slackrat which is best?
[03:05] <slyfox> Sanne: yes, it need to be open
[03:05] <SlackRat> this is kubuntu, most are kde users here
[03:06] <SlackRat> its a matter of choice
[03:06] <saunders> kde? what other versions r there then
[03:06] <Sanne> slyfox: well, we should just start with a script and go fron there, I guess. Just a sec, I type something up.
[03:06] <SlackRat> but i generally install UBUNTU, and add kde to have both in one
[03:06] <slyfox> Sanne: please.
[03:06] <saunders> so wot actually is kde
[03:06] <SlackRat> ubuntu has been developed and worked on longer and then you dont have to choose just one
[03:07] <saunders> i mean i have kubuntu lol
[03:07] <saunders> but whats kde
[03:07] <saunders> lol
[03:07] <Muntrue> Hello
[03:07] <SlackRat> well, install it, you can add the gnome desktop and see that as well
[03:07] <SlackRat> google KDE.......
[03:07] <saunders> gnone is gd aii?
[03:07] <rEvolution27> !kde
[03:07] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:07] <SlackRat> kde wiki
[03:08] <luckyone> hello all - new kubuntu user here
[03:08] <luckyone> I just switched today
[03:08] <Sanne> slyfox: create a text file, name it anything you want, and put this into it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7438/
[03:08] <SlackRat> congrats lucky one
[03:08] <rEvolution27> gnome is ok, I personally find it a bit too simplistic
[03:08] <Muntrue> Hey luckyone! i switched yesterday =)
[03:09] <luckyone> btw, Konqueror is the most awesome file browser
[03:09] <dsmith_> xfce is simplsitic
[03:09] <luckyone> dsmith_: I did use xfce
[03:09] <saunders> how get beryl?
[03:09] <saunders> how gfet it installed
[03:09] <slyfox> Sanne: done
[03:09] <rEvolution27> konquerer rocks
[03:10] <rEvolution27> you can use adept to install beryl
[03:10] <Sanne> slyfox: how did you name it?
[03:10] <SlackRat> i find it hard to believe corey has been linuxing for six years and didnt have a clue what to do to troubleshoot sound........
[03:10] <saunders> i searched beryl in adept
[03:10] <luckyone> does kubuntu still use the gstreamer framework?
[03:10] <saunders> but nothing came up
[03:10] <slyfox> saunders: go to beryl site and choose ubuntu wiki there you will see the guide, jsut follow the script one it will do everything for you - easy
[03:10] <slyfox> Sanne: windows
[03:10] <SlackRat> ack, it can but i think it uses xine if you install that
[03:11] <saunders> thanks sly
[03:11] <SlackRat> there was a release when they tried to do alll the kde multimedia with gtk....thank god they went back to giving us a choice
[03:11] <luckyone> I *think* I have xine installed, but I am not sure
[03:11] <Sanne> slyfox: ok, now we make it executable. Open a konsole, goto the directory where the script lies, and type: chmod 755 windows
[03:11] <SlackRat> i prefer xine for kde.....gtk is gnome centric
[03:12] <luckyone> I tried to 'apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' and it said that it had no installation candidate
[03:12] <slyfox> Sanne: done
[03:12] <SlackRat> and never worked right on whatever it was,,,,,breezy? i think.....
[03:12] <Sanne> slyfox: now you can test it. Type: ./windows and observe if everything works as it should.
[03:12] <BluesKaj> !nonfree
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <SlackRat> well you could opt out for easyubuntu which will snarf your codecs and stuff.....
[03:13] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[03:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:13] <saunders> ubuntu 7.04 any good?
[03:13] <saunders> how do u upgrade a kunbuntu version?
[03:13] <saunders> throught adept?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> saunders, never heard of it
[03:13] <slyfox> saunders: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia#Kubuntu
[03:14] <SlackRat> apt-get upgrade is an option
[03:14] <saunders> 7.04 feisty fawn :S???
[03:14] <Sanne> ah, saunders, youre back. I wanted to give you this (you can't hide harhar): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:14] <saunders> thanks sanne lol
[03:14] <Sanne> hehe
[03:14] <saunders> wicked cheersa sanne
[03:14] <slyfox> Sanne: it works, the next line though asks me for the password, is there a way to put the password into the script ?
[03:14] <saunders> u guys r awefully helpful :D
[03:14] <Sanne> saunders: but relax, that was my closing comment for today ;)
[03:15] <saunders> :)
[03:15] <Sanne> slyfox: hmmm... I don't think so... maybe there is, but maybe there isn't, given the security implications. Sorry, I don't know.
[03:15] <saunders> gee its like 2:15 am lol
[03:15] <saunders> im shgattered
[03:16] <slyfox> Sanne: what is the difference between #!/bin/bash and #!/bin/sh ?
[03:16] <luckyone> can anyone tell me what to install instead of libxine-extracodecs? It says that it has no installation candidate
[03:16] <luckyone> slyfox: the type of shell you are using
[03:16] <SlackRat> for what lucky?
[03:16] <Devineman> luckyone:  what are you looking for>
[03:17] <Kite_DH> can somebody help me please? the problem is: i want gimp in english, i currently have it in german
[03:17] <linuxgoober> luckyone : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[03:17] <SlackRat> should be able to configure that from gimp, didnt know there was a language version gimp
[03:17] <slyfox> luckyone: which one does what?
[03:17] <Kite_DH> t from gimp, didnt know there was a language version gimp
[03:17] <Kite_DH> [03:17]  <slyfox> luckyone: which one does what?
[03:17] <Kite_DH> oops
[03:17] <Kite_DH> sry
[03:17] <Kite_DH> apt-get gimp help-de
[03:17] <sdlnxgk> !gtk-gnutella
[03:17] <ubotu> gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1982 kB, installed size 7016 kB
[03:18] <Kite_DH> and apt-get install gimp-help-en
[03:18] <slyfox> Sanne: actually what we did works very well, i just added windows to my kicker and I do not even see the konsole running, it jsuts asks me for the password and I get windows and no konsole running
[03:18] <luckyone> slyfox: they both do pretty much the same thing
[03:18] <Sanne> slyfox: /bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash, so it's the same for us. I think /bin/sh is more general, will work anywhere and link to the shell that's in use on the given system.
[03:18] <saunders> im on dapper do i really need to be ugrading to newer version sanne?
[03:18] <luckyone> slyfox: they are both shells that execute commands
[03:18] <saunders> sanne: ?
[03:19] <dec_> hello where can i find feisty fawn to upgrade, i am currently using edgy
[03:19] <Sanne> slyfox: so the script does what you want now (except for the password thingy)?
[03:19] <SlackRat> saunders....you want my opinion? :-P
[03:19] <luckyone> so - do I have to install gstreamer? I thought that libxine-extracodecs was all that I need for MP3 support
[03:19] <zerone> Does any1 know what is going on with the automatix page?
[03:19] <saunders> yes sanne
[03:19] <saunders> please lol
[03:20] <SlackRat> you talking to me, or sanne?
[03:20] <Sanne> saunders: I'm also still on Dapper. If the apps are recent enough for you, you don't *need* to upgrade. Dapper is LTS with 3 years suupport, after all.
[03:20] <saunders> LTS?
[03:20] <luckyone> finally, when I try to install libxine, it tells me that there is no installation candidate. I have already modified /etc/sources.list
[03:20] <SlackRat> i concur, heh
[03:20] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: do you know how to change the language of GIMP?
[03:20] <SlackRat> nope, never had it pop up in german before
[03:21] <Sanne> slyfox: if the script is ok, we are not done yet, because I would like to show you something further.
[03:21] <underdog5004> ???
[03:21] <saunders> my system hardware is like 1gd ram Asus A87n8x deluxe motherboard. 2.2 ghz i wanna know if im getting the most out of my stuff?
[03:21] <saunders> lol
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: ok
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: please do
[03:21] <slyfox> Sanne: so far so good
[03:22] <saunders> can u see these kinda details on kunbuntu like i cud in windows?
[03:22] <luckyone> I am really excited to start using amaroK, so I want to figure this out soon!
[03:22] <luckyone> but I do not want to install gstreamer if I don't have to
[03:22] <underdog5004> saunders, Kmenu>System>KSysGuard
[03:22] <Sanne> slyfox: if you want the command 'windows' to be accessible from everywhere, you can put it to /usr/local/bin. This is the location where custom binaries and command scripts should reside, that are not under the government of the package manager.
[03:23] <saunders> thanks underdog
[03:23] <zerone> Does any1 know what is going on with the automatix page?
[03:23] <slyfox> Sanne: "accessible from everywhere" how do you mean?
[03:23] <underdog5004> it's down
[03:23] <underdog5004> zerone, I don't know whey
[03:23] <underdog5004> why
[03:24] <zerone> thnx
[03:24] <SlackRat> yes, its gods way of saying use easyubuntu if you must use an all in one unsupported download tool to make life easier :-P
[03:24] <underdog5004> google still has a cache of it...but you need getautomatix.com to be up so you can get the key...very aggravating
[03:24] <slyfox> Sanne: So far I just putted the "windows" to my /home/slyfox/Programs/Scripts  folder and edited my Kmenu and added "windows" remote control to my utilities section and it works great !
[03:24] <underdog5004> rofl
[03:24] <KaoticEvil> anyone got a minute or 2 to help me with some wifi problems?
[03:24] <underdog5004> I'll try
[03:24] <Sanne> slyfox: I mean, you wont have to cd to the directory and type ./windows, or start it with /path/to/windows, but you can just type 'windows', or put just 'windows' in the menu to run it.
[03:24] <dec_> anyone know where i can get feisty fawn i am currently running edgy and i wnat to upgrade
[03:24] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, I'll try
[03:24] <SlackRat> ubuntu.org?
[03:24] <Sanne> slyfox: you can leave it where it is, of course
[03:24] <underdog5004> dec_, google is your friend.
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> well, i can't Edgy to connect to the same wireless router than vista connects to just fine
[03:25] <saunders> sanne: how do i know iof i can run beryl and xgl on dapper? it says beware might not work on wiki
[03:25] <Sanne> slyfox: I just wanted to show you what you can do, if you want to just be able to type 'windows'
[03:25] <KaoticEvil> and im not that familiar with linux networking commands, so i have no idea how to procede
[03:25] <saunders> if it will work on my pc
[03:25] <underdog5004> dec_, linuxtracker.org is your friend as well
[03:25] <slyfox> Sanne: let me try that too
[03:25] <SlackRat> what does ifconfig show on your command line?
[03:25] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ummm, ok, what de are you using? (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc)
[03:26] <saunders> how do i know if i can run beryl and xgl on dapper? and if will work with my pc?
[03:26] <Sanne> saunders: I must pass this question to the rest of the channel, because I don't know anything about beryl and xgl.
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> K
[03:26] <saunders> ok sanne
[03:26] <Sanne> slyfox: ok
[03:26] <Sanne> slyfox: works?
[03:26] <Kite_DH> hmm...
[03:26] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: im using KDE
[03:26] <Kite_DH> i probably didnt see the answer
[03:26] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ok, try the system settings>Networking to see if your adapter is detected
[03:26] <Kite_DH> im sry
[03:26] <saunders> sanne: another wuestion for u
[03:26] <saunders> if u dont mind :)?
[03:27] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i see wlan0 and wmaster0
[03:27] <Sanne> saunders: shoot (although, you might get more response if you just ask, so anybody picks it up who knows). But of course I don't mind :)
[03:28] <SlackRat> :-)
[03:28] <underdog5004> wmaster0? hmmm do you have any other wireless devices on your computer?
[03:28] <slyfox> Sanne: this is a great tip! Works
[03:28] <Sanne> slyfox: haha! So that was your first lesson in shell scripting :)
[03:28] <KaoticEvil> no, just the wifi card
[03:29] <saunders> sanne: with windows if i was to go onto a website which had spyware or downloads with as virus i wud catch a virus or spywares etc. but with kubuntu if i go on exactly the same website and download exactly the same file i dont get spyware or viruses cos its linux?
[03:29] <underdog5004> ok, so run the wireless lan assistant
[03:29] <saunders> dont i need to protect meself still :S?
[03:29] <slyfox> Sanne: one thing I do not get though is that when I launch this via konsole, I have to keep konsoel running and when I just exectue what we have created, it opens the windows withut the need of running the konsole laso
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> im about to just say to hell with it and swap cards out with this one
[03:29] <SlackRat> sanne, ill buy you coffee when feisty is released and we can watch everyone pulling out their hair while we play MMORPG pingus on dapper.....
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> i know this card works on both Vista and linux (i used it on Dapper)
[03:29] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, lol, if it works...
[03:29] <Sanne> SlackRat: hehe ;)
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> *sigh*
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> and then just use dapper and ndiswrapper :P
[03:30] <saunders> sanne: u can anwer that ?
[03:30] <underdog5004> try using the wireless lan assistant
[03:30] <underdog5004> it's under internet in the kmenu
[03:30] <saunders> with windows if i was to go onto a website which had spyware or downloads with as virus i wud catch a virus or spywares etc. but with kubuntu if i go on exactly the same website and download exactly the same file i dont get spyware or viruses cos its linux?
[03:30] <KaoticEvil> it sees the router, and when i click Connect, it *tries* to connect, but always just Connection Failed
[03:30] <saunders> ne body please help
[03:31] <SlackRat> saunder, a virus has to be intentionally opened by root.....theres no root account in ubuntu, and root users in other linuxes dont just open suspicious files, which usually contain viruses made for windows
[03:31] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: did you try KnetwokManager?
[03:31] <SlackRat> theres no point in attacking linux with most malware and virurses
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> slyfox: no, not yet
[03:31] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, ok, you may need to go into system settings>networking and set some static ips, tell it the AP, etc...
[03:31] <Sanne> saunders: basically yes, you won't be affected by those malware that is written for windows. But you might get bitten by something that exploits a security hole in firefox in an os agnostic way, so it is always wise to do security updates for those programs that access the web, on *any* os. And please, give me time to answer ;)
[03:31] <julle> Anyone who knows how to get TCL Scripting Language via apt-get ?
[03:31] <underdog5004> Or try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:31] <andrewr> hi all
[03:31] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i tried that as well
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: Use it. Everything should work
[03:32] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, I'm out of ideas, sorry
[03:32] <saunders> sanne: how do i perform security checks in kubuntu please?
[03:32] <SlackRat> you can get virus protection for linux to be on the safe side, but my never peeps
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: waht is yoru network wep or wpa ?
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: could it be that the card is only half supported?
[03:32] <SlackRat> clamav is one
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> slyfox: neither... its open
[03:32] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, maybe...
[03:32] <saunders> u mean security updates for like firefox?
[03:32] <andrewr> trying to figure out why apt-cache search tightvnc shows nothing, yet packages.ubuntu.org shows it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/x11/tightvncserver
[03:32] <slyfox> KaoticEvil: hmmm.. still try knetworkmanager
[03:32] <underdog5004> there is also a linux version of Kaspersky antivirus
[03:32] <KaoticEvil> i'll have to install it
[03:32] <underdog5004> but it's not free
[03:32] <Sanne> slyfox: if you run it via konsole, the konsole just runs it and stays open. If you just run the script without konsole, it may spawn a konsole, but just keeps it open so long it needs to.
[03:33] <saunders> underdog: just trying to understand linux ya dirty bas*t**d
[03:33] <andrewr> using edgy, and did an apt-get update..
[03:33] <slyfox> andrewr: I got mine here http://www.tightvnc.com/
[03:33] <Sanne> slyfox: I don't know if this was not confisung...
[03:33] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, lol, I wasn't talking to you...sorry
[03:33] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: i wasnt talking to you either :P
[03:33] <underdog5004> oh, ok
[03:33] <andrewr> slyfox: but it should be in apt, why is it not there?
[03:34] <jmichaelx> AVG antivirus is free for home users, but i have never tried it in linux
[03:34] <Sanne> saunders: you should do updates when they are available, at least for those critical apps. That *should* be enough.
[03:34] <slyfox> Sanne: a bit confusing, it is just that if I run this program via konsole, and it runs, if I close hte knsole, the program closes too.  But with what we did, I see no konsoel at all, just a tiny windows asking me for hte password and that is it
[03:34] <saunders> sanne: so different from windows finding it difficult to understand which is y i ask so many questions sorry
[03:34] <Sanne> slyfox: yes, that's because youdidn't start a konsole manually *before* running the command *in it*.
[03:35] <KaoticEvil> meh... i'll just swap the cards, and go to Dapper
[03:35] <slyfox> Sanne: hmm...
[03:35] <slyfox> Sanne: I kind of get it
[03:35] <underdog5004> KaoticEvil, have you tried googlin' around?
[03:35] <Sanne> slyfox: the command 'returns' and closes the window it spawns, kinda.
[03:36] <Sanne> slyfox: is this how you want it? Or would you rather run it always in a konsole window that should stay open? If so, we can try to achieve that.
[03:37] <KaoticEvil> underdog5004: ive looked... but not found a whole lot
[03:37] <slyfox> Sanne: what we did now is great. That is what I wanted, the extra konsle windows was not needed and jsut took space for me
[03:37] <Sanne> saunders: it's ok, switching an os is a learning experience. It's quite a lot at first to take in.
[03:37] <crazy_bus> my system partition has lost files again.  fsck tells me of deleted inodes.  Is there anything I can do
[03:37] <Sanne> slyfox: ah, ok :)
[03:39] <Sanne> slyfox: hmmm... I'm just thinking... you don't have multiple processes of your xtightvncviewer running now, do you?
[03:39] <julle> Anyone know knows the name of tcl scripting language in apt-get ?
[03:39] <julle> can find it anywhere
[03:39] <julle> cant
[03:40] <Sanne> julle: search on packages.ubuntu.com, you should find it. I'll help also.
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: no
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: jsut one
[03:40] <Sanne> slyfox: ok. I was concerned if we perhaps needed to close it explicitely, but seems we don't.
[03:40] <julle> Sanne: Thank you
[03:40] <slyfox> Sanne: but it needs konsole to be open if I launch it via konsole command manually
[03:41] <Sanne> julle: you can also search in a konsole window with: apt-cache search tcl
[03:42] <Schuenemann> hi, on which repository can I get java 6?
[03:42] <Sanne> julle: there's a package tcl8.4, seems like what you need? Type: 'apt-cache show tcl8.4' so you can read the description.
[03:43] <Sanne> slyfox: yes, that's like it works when you start commands via konsole.
[03:43] <Schuenemann> anybody installed java 6 here?
[03:43] <Kite_DH> ok heres my question: i currently have GIMP in german, i would like the english version tho...could somebody tell me how to do that??
[03:43] <saunders> sanne: i need a dvd ripping tool so can copy copyrited dvds
[03:43] <Sanne> Schuenemann: search at packages.ubuntu.com for the package, it tells you the repository
[03:43] <saunders> what can i use to take the copywrite off etc
[03:44] <Sanne> saunders: I also don't know that one. I just recently got my first dvd drive, and actually today played my first dvd. Never ropped one so far.
[03:44] <julle> Sanne: okey thank you, libdb3-tcl  <. that helped. Now i just have to find tk :D
[03:44] <Sanne> ripped even
[03:44] <Sanne> julle: same procedure :)
[03:45] <saunders> lol ok sanne
[03:45] <saunders> i need a dvd ripping tool so can copy copyrited dvds  can ne one help??
[03:45] <saunders> to take off the copywrite etc
[03:45] <slyfox> Sanne: waht we did was great. Thank you very much for you help !!!!
[03:45] <Sanne> slyfox: you're very welcome! :)
[03:45] <slyfox> Sanne: This is us: http://slyfox.tiddlyspot.com/index.html#ShellScripting
[03:45] <BluesKaj> a ripping tool isn't what you want ...k9copy is
[03:46] <Kite_DH> =/...
[03:46] <saunders> y k9copy?
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <Schuenemann> Sanne, I only see version 5
[03:46] <Sanne> slyfox: haha, neat :)
[03:46] <saunders> basically i want sumthing so when my friends lend me their dvds i can copy them and it copies the dvd like for like
[03:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[03:46] <Sanne> Schuenemann: then maybe it is not available from the repositories? Does anybody know?
[03:47] <saunders> and thats k9copy? only when i tryed it b4 it wudnt do that
[03:47] <Kite_DH> hm...
[03:47] <Schuenemann> someone told me he got from apt-get
[03:47] <Kite_DH> im sry
[03:47] <SlackRat> watches the black helicopters from the DRM police flying over Saunders house
[03:47] <Kite_DH> did somebody read my question?
[03:47] <SlackRat> we all did , we're ignoring you
[03:47] <SlackRat> :-P
[03:48] <Kite_DH> k..
[03:48] <SlackRat> jk
[03:48] <Schuenemann> Sanne, maybe it's in a repository the site doesn't search? it's not free
[03:48] <Sanne> Schuenemann: I'm finding it in feisty and edgy-backports
[03:48] <Schuenemann> not yet, at least
[03:48] <saunders> slackrat: LOL u say that but a helicopter is actualy outside the area
[03:48] <BluesKaj> it'will author the dvd to fit on one dvd -+r , a lot of cpopyrighted dvds a re larger , so k9copywill shrink them to the necessary size
[03:48] <saunders> can hear it
[03:48] <luckyone> Sanne: can you tell me where to find libxine-extracodecs? I can't find an installation candidate
[03:48] <Sanne> Schuenemann: what's your ubuntu version?
[03:48] <Schuenemann> Sanne, why on backports?
[03:49] <Schuenemann> kubuntu 6.10
[03:49] <Schuenemann> I have multiverse enabled, I should see it... or not?
[03:49] <Sanne> Schuenemann: if it's on backports, it means it wasn't available when edgy finalized.
[03:49] <andrewr> I found my problem about tightvnc, I have to enable the universe sources
[03:49] <BluesKaj> libxine-extracodecs
[03:49] <Schuenemann> how do I add that repository?
[03:49] <Sanne> Schuenemann: no, you need the backports repository in your sources.list
[03:49] <BluesKaj> !libxine-extracodecs
[03:49] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[03:50] <Sanne> Schuenemann: one moment, I'll try to find out for you
[03:50] <Schuenemann> I had for dapper, I don't remember though
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> hey question...
[03:50] <luckyone> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:50] <luckyone> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:50] <luckyone> is only available from another source
[03:50] <luckyone> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> if i install dapper, and use ndiswrapper for my wifi card... and then do a dist upgrade to edgy
[03:50] <Sanne> Schuenemann: in the meantime you can open your sources.list: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <KaoticEvil> will it keep my ndiswrapper settings?
[03:50] <Schuenemann> right
[03:51] <Sanne> luckyone: you might need to enable universe or multiverse
[03:51] <Schuenemann> !universe
[03:51] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:51] <luckyone> Sanne: I have them both enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <Sanne> luckyone: just a sec, I'm looking into your problem when I have helped Schuenemann, ok?
[03:52] <slyfox> Can someone please tell how big is the difference between when I right click and enable all reposetories in adept package manager vs editing my sources.list and replacing whatever is in there with this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories  ???
[03:52] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: do you know how??...
[03:52] <Schuenemann> Sanne, I see it... commented
[03:52] <Schuenemann> # deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[03:53] <Sanne> Schuenemann: yep, that should be it. Do you know how to proceed?
[03:53] <BluesKaj> slyfox ...adept uses your sources list
[03:53] <luckyone> Sanne: sure thing! sorry to bug
[03:53] <Sanne> luckyone: np
[03:53] <SlackRat> Kite, let me get this straight, when you open gimp, you get the words for file, save , brushes, etc in german???
[03:53] <Schuenemann> uncomment and update?
[03:53] <Sanne> Schuenemann: yep :)
[03:53] <Schuenemann> ok, thanks
[03:53] <SlackRat> hmn, the DRM police just nabbed saunders....
[03:53] <KaoticEvil> anyone know?
[03:53] <luckyone> Sanne: I hate this because I am not a *ubuntu newb, I have been using it for 2 years now... just new to kde and don't really want to put gstreamer on my machine
[03:54] <Sanne> luckyone: can you please paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[03:54] <slyfox> BluesKaj: I know it does. I mean is there a differnece between this edgy guide list and if I were to manualyl enable all the repositories in the adept ?
[03:55] <SlackRat> Kite_DH: ???
[03:55] <KaoticEvil> anyone... ?
[03:55] <luckyone> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7442/
[03:56] <SlackRat> hmn, what do people here do, ask questions, wonder off, have a light snack and wait for a sound alert to know theyre being spoken to?
[03:56] <Sanne> luckyone: I found on packages.ubuntu.com that libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse. Now I look at your paste.
[03:57] <luckyone> Sanne: I guess I don't have multiverse...
[03:57] <SlackRat> then come back and ask the same question again, wander off, play with the cats and wait for the sound alert on their irc again?
[03:57] <slyfox> is there a differnece between this edgy guide list and if I were to manualyl enable all the repositories in the adept ?
[03:57] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: ok heres my question: i currently have GIMP in german, i would like the english version tho...could somebody tell me how to do that??
[03:57] <Sanne> luckyone: correst. You have multiverse only for edgy-backports, but not for edgy. Add multiverse to lines 16 and 17.
[03:58] <SlackRat> how many times are you going to ask the same qeustion kite, then wonder why you dont get an answer....i asked you a question.....
[03:59] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: oh..didnt see it
[03:59] <Sanne> slyfox: I think adept will also just update your sources.list as if you had done it manually. At least synaptic (which I use) does that.
[03:59] <luckyone> when is kde 4.0 supposed to become available?
[03:59] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: yes, all in german
[04:00] <Sanne> luckyone: did you get libxine-extracodecs?
[04:01] <SlackRat> it seems according to some google hits, that it might be designed in germany, but the standard apt get is always english in my experience......did you do what someone suggested and apt get help-en??
[04:01] <luckyone> Sanne: sound is a wonderful thing - thanks!
[04:01] <Sanne> luckyone: hehe :)
[04:01] <slyfox> Sanne: the quesation is - I can go to adetp package manager and enable all the commented out repositories. WIll there be a difference if I do that or if I delte my sources.list and inseart into it this - http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories  ???
[04:01] <BrigadierFrog> I can't for the life of me get the fglrx driver working with hardware acceleration
[04:01] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: yes, i installed apt-get gimp help-en and uninstalled help-de, but those are only the help files, i need the app in english :/
[04:02] <TMM> is there any harm in installing the kde4 packages to play around with in Xephyr?
[04:02] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: i downloaded a folder called "gimp-2.3.4" ...it has many files in it...no idea how to install that
[04:02] <TMM> or will it destroy my kde3 settings? :)
[04:02] <SlackRat> your best bet (and i dont know how you got a german version in the first place is to uninstall and reinstall thru a standard repo.....which has never provided me with a german edition.......
[04:02] <SlackRat> youre not in germany are you?
[04:03] <Kite_DH> i am german
[04:03] <SlackRat> is the repository in germany also?
[04:03] <Kite_DH> no clue
[04:03] <Kite_DH> ok i uninstall GIMP now
[04:03] <luckyone> amaroK is probably the best music player ever thought of
[04:03] <Sanne> slyfox: I guess there will be differences. I don't believe adept will make the plf and canonical repositories available. But you could just make a backup of your current sources.lists and try out what happens.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> 3...2...1...
[04:04] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I think gimp uses the language you have set your system to. It accesses some environment variable that's maybe set to german.
[04:05] <Kite_DH> Sanne: it is...
[04:05] <SlackRat> uninstall, and get the ubuntu package for gimp from the sight and just install it, or make sure that your repo addresses arent in germany.......remove them temporarily, since they seem togive  you a german default......install gimp, and then put the repos you use back
[04:05] <slyfox> Sanne: ok
[04:05] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I changed the language once. I have an english system, but wanted to have a german gimp to be able to help a client (I'm also german).
[04:05] <SlackRat> another reason synaptic is so useful.....you can check pkgs and repos all in the same place
[04:06] <Kite_DH> i got adept
[04:06] <Sanne> Kite_DH: I could try to find out again how this worked, if you want to (and if you still have the ginp installed... ;))
[04:06] <SlackRat> imo, you d be doing yourself a favor to have synaptic as well
[04:07] <Kite_DH> Sanne: i have a folder full of files from chip.de, it said GIMP in english for linux...its 14,1MB big..its full of stuff, and i have no idea how to install it
[04:07] <SlackRat> you can check and uncheck your repos, see where the http for  those repos are, whether .de or us or whatever
[04:07] <Kite_DH> i just uninstalled GIMP
[04:07] <Sanne> Kite_DH: don't do that. You should really use the gimp tfrom the repositories. We#ll find out how to switch to english.
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: whats a repository?
[04:08] <Sanne> Kite_DH: chances are, if it's from chip.de, it's for windows ;)
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: no, it was a tar.bz2 file...
[04:08] <SlackRat> check your repos, and make sure you dont reinstall from a german repo, or youll prolly get the german edition......theres dev talk on google about keeping info and stuff in sync with the english releases....
[04:08] <Sanne> Kite_DH: you *are* on kubuntu linux, right?
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sanne: kubuntu edgy eft
[04:08] <Kite_DH> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.17-11-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.06GHz at 3059 MHz (6126 bogomips), , RAM: 473/503MB, 101 proc's, 1.31h up
[04:09] <Kite_DH> =/
[04:09] <Kite_DH> Sanne: should i dl that---> ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/gimp/
[04:09] <Sanne> Kite_DH: ok, while I work, you could read this (it's for Gnome, but still useful for understanding the basics):https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[04:10] <SlackRat> check http://gug.sunsite.dk/forum/?threadid=1759
[04:10] <SlackRat> it happened to someone with a dutch version as well
[04:10] <SlackRat> GIMP uses the system default locale it seems
[04:11] <SlackRat> check ronalds post on that site
[04:11] <Sanne> Kite_DH: don't download gimp manually. If I succeed, you can reinstall through the package manager and we'll get you an english gimp.
[04:12] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok
[04:12] <Kite_DH> Sanne: also kann ich den ordner da lschen?
[04:12] <Kite_DH> sry
[04:12] <SlackRat> see the GimpUserGroup site i jus posted
[04:12] <Kite_DH> yes, im reading =)
[04:12] <Sanne> Kite_DH: we should speak english here ;)
[04:12] <SlackRat> Ja
[04:13] <Sanne> Kite_DH: let me find the solution first.
[04:13] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok
[04:15] <Sanne> Kite_DH: ok, we can try two things (one from the link SlackRat posted). You need to install gimp again: please type in a konsole: apt-get install gimp
[04:17] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok wait a sec.
[04:18] <Kite_DH> Sanne: done
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: please open a konsole, and type: export LC_ALL=c
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: sorry!
[04:18] <Sanne> Kite_DH: please open a konsole, and type: export LC_ALL=C
[04:19] <Kite_DH> k
[04:19] <Kite_DH> did
[04:19] <Sanne> Kite_DH: in the same konsole, type: gimp
[04:19] <Kite_DH> wow
[04:19] <Kite_DH> english
[04:19] <Kite_DH> :DD
[04:19] <Kite_DH> thanks!
[04:19] <Sanne> Kite_DH: cool! Easier than I thought ;)
[04:19] <bur[n] er_> anyone know if kde has a charmap?
[04:19] <Kite_DH> hehe
[04:19] <Kite_DH> lol...
[04:19] <underdog5004> Ok, I tried to install the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for my nvidia Geforce2 go card, but when I get Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[04:20] <Kite_DH> now its german again XD
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> I don't get it, I follow the guide
[04:20] <Sanne> Kite_DH: huh?
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> for ati fglrx drivers
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> and it still says mesagl
[04:20] <Sanne> Kite_DH: you always have to set this LC_ALL=C before you start gimp
[04:20] <Kite_DH> Sanne: i started it with k-menu> grafik> gimp
[04:20] <BrigadierFrog> under arch linux I just did a single install command and it worked instantly, why is this such a hassle on whats supposedly a friendly distro
[04:21] <the_hammer> hey all to play movie trailers and all that jazz what do i need?
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: so we need to make a script to start gimp always with the language setting
[04:21] <Kite_DH> hmm
[04:21] <the_hammer> ive installed some java and flash but nothing working yet
[04:21] <Kite_DH> now i started it with LC_ALL=C again
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: and?
[04:21] <Kite_DH> its still german
[04:21] <TomSwift> hello
[04:21] <Jucato> the_hammer: for which browser?
[04:21] <Sanne> Kite_DH: did you do 'export LC_ALL=C'?
[04:21] <the_hammer> firefox
[04:21] <Kite_DH> oops
[04:22] <Kite_DH> ok english
[04:22] <Kite_DH> :D
[04:22] <Kite_DH> ok lets make a script
[04:22] <Kite_DH> if thats easy
[04:22] <underdog5004> any ideas for my issue?
[04:22] <Sanne> Kite_DH: kinda. make a text file, name it something like gimp-en or so.
[04:23] <Jucato> the_hammer: java for firefox, you need to install the sun-java5-plugin (sun-java6-plugin if you have your backport respository enabled)
[04:23] <the_hammer> ok
[04:23] <SlackRat> which version brigadier?
[04:23] <Kite_DH> Sanne: ok next?
[04:23] <Sanne> Kite_DH: sec, I'll type it up
[04:23] <BrigadierFrog> which version of what?
[04:23] <Kite_DH> Sanne: k
[04:23] <BrigadierFrog> kubuntu? 6.10
[04:23] <SlackRat> ubuntu
[04:23] <SlackRat> with a k
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> it claims the kernel module isn't compatable, I see it loaded and everything
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> I dunno
[04:24] <SlackRat> ah, dunno, im running dapper.....and the only distro that ever ran my nvidia was slackware, so i know what you mean
[04:24] <BrigadierFrog> I'm going to try installing the latest one from ati, but yeah, ridiculous for a supposedly friendly distro thats all I'm saying
[04:24] <SlackRat> i think it needs you to install kernel headers for the kernel
[04:25] <SlackRat> uname -a
[04:25] <SlackRat> to make sure which headers to download
[04:25] <bur[n] er_> BrigadierFrog: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy to install it right?
[04:25] <Sanne> Kite_DH: put this in: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7446/
[04:25] <BrigadierFrog> I'm using an ati firegl card
[04:25] <BrigadierFrog> not even a radeon, a real firegl card
[04:26] <SlackRat> what made you move from arch?
[04:26] <BrigadierFrog> orca-robotics only supports a few distributions, so I thought I'd thought I'd try out kubuntu
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: with me so far?
[04:27] <Kite_DH> Sanne: yes
[04:27] <jean-b> hi
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> SlackRat: honestly, I can't stand kubuntu
[04:27] <apekko> i still have problems with flash player, so frustrating
[04:27] <SlackRat> well its a regularly released debian style one disc distro but it isnt bug free by any means.......
[04:27] <SlackRat> lol
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: did you put my paste into your script
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> I've spent more time dicking around with this than I ever have with arch
[04:27] <jean-b> when i uninstall programs, some directories remain in home
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> just to get the video card to work right
[04:27] <Kite_DH> Sanne: could we query?
[04:27] <SlackRat> you use kde or gnome usually?
[04:27] <BrigadierFrog> kde usually
[04:27] <Sanne> Kite_DH: yes
[04:27] <SlackRat> i hear ya
[04:27] <jean-b> i want to clean up my home dir
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> I don't really understand why the header files are in a seperate package either
[04:28] <jean-b> and removies the directories of my old programs
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> its not like they take up a lot of space
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> so that just means more hassle
[04:28] <SlackRat> thats why slack stays on the production box
[04:28] <jean-b> is there a command to automatically remove the old config files?
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> well, arch is still on my desktop, and probably always will be
[04:28] <TomSwift> has anyone had problems with firefox loading after installing KDE?
[04:28] <BrigadierFrog> seriously, no hassles
[04:29] <SlackRat> people might disagree here? but i usually run an ubuntu version thats been out a few months over the latest release...remember its based on debian sid snapshots
[04:29] <BrigadierFrog> I used to use slackware myself, but arch's pacman got me hooked to the latest packages all the time
[04:29] <SlackRat> havent tried arch yet, but ill get to it, heh
[04:29] <jean-b> guys, how can i remove the old config directories of my old programs in home?
[04:29] <bfdhud> is there a difference between installing compiz on kde or gnome? I found a walkthrough on the ubuntu forums, will it work for kde as well?
[04:29] <SlackRat> pcbsd is nice as well.....seems to be gaining some ground
[04:30] <bfdhud> jean-b you can just check view hidden
[04:30] <SlackRat> try kubuntu forums bf.....which seem to be down at the moment
[04:30] <SlackRat> server problem
[04:30] <bfdhud> jean-b then select and delete the folders
[04:30] <SlackRat> its a different tool set to build each desktop
[04:30] <flaccid> SlackRat: thats what i use
[04:30] <jean-b> bfdhud: isn't there an apt-get command to automatically get rid of those files?
[04:31] <saunders> is there a toll to do disk cleanups in dapper ? bit like in windows
[04:31] <saunders> tool*
[04:31] <bfdhud> jean-b I think you can use the --purge tag. If you're using synaptic you can check remove completely
[04:31] <SlackRat> hehe, knew i knew you from somewhere
[04:31] <SlackRat> lol
[04:31] <flaccid> yeah
[04:31] <saunders> ?
[04:31] <jean-b> bfdhud: is it possible to purge all my uninstalled programs?
[04:31] <SlackRat> saunders you dont need to defrag in unix
[04:31] <jean-b> at once?
[04:31] <SlackRat> only windows
[04:31] <bfdhud> jean-b no idea.
[04:32] <saunders> slackrat performance is always good?
[04:32] <jean-b> thanx!!
[04:32] <saunders> my programs keep wanting to terminate alot :S
[04:32] <jean-b> i'll try in #ubuntu
[04:32] <TomSwift> hello
[04:32] <SlackRat> yeah, no slowdowns without a good good reason
[04:32] <Ash-Fox> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <bfdhud> Another question, I installed a KDM theme and now when my desktop loads my background doesnt load automatically. I have to switch desktops then back again.
[04:33] <larson9999> every time i have to use windows, i realize how much i like linux
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> Ash-Fox: I read that, thats exactly what I just tried
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> and it gave me mesagl
[04:33] <BrigadierFrog> and why is it that much of a hassle to install something so common, thats what I want to know
[04:33] <SlackRat> xactly larson, then you find less reasons to boot the windows at all
[04:33] <bfdhud> what are you wanting to isntall?
[04:33] <saunders> opensuse 10.2 any good???
[04:34] <saunders> says its good for beginners
[04:34] <saunders> ?
[04:34] <flaccid> nah
[04:34] <SlackRat> i dropped suse after the mess they made in 10.1
[04:34] <infocrash> opensuse is o.k
[04:34] <SlackRat> and theyre dealings with MS
[04:34] <flaccid> suse would be better for server than ubuntu
[04:35] <infocrash> open suse is not for server
[04:35] <saunders> stick with dapper over open suse?
[04:35] <flaccid> nah straight suse
[04:35] <larson9999> SlackRat: i don't boot it unless i'm at work or a friend's with no linux
[04:35] <saunders> open suse looked good to me wheter it is is another story.....?
[04:35] <infocrash> i like the k menu on open suse
[04:35] <infocrash> at first i was like this is crap
[04:35] <SlackRat> problem is the pkg management changed for a while and i just got fed up
[04:35] <saunders> wha other features it av which gd?
[04:36] <SlackRat> they say its fixed on suse now, but it wasnt ever like apt
[04:36] <infocrash> but then i like it alot
[04:36] <SlackRat> liked it till 10.1
[04:36] <underdog5004> Ok, I tried to install the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for my nvidia Geforce2 go card, but when I get Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[04:36] <Bipolar> is there an openvpn plugin for knetworkmanager?
[04:36] <saunders> where is synaptec package manager in dapper?
[04:36] <saunders> or this need be installed thru adept?
[04:36] <flaccid> Bipolar: i havnt seen one
[04:37] <saunders> ?
[04:37] <hawk_> is there anyway to force unmount somthing
[04:37] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get synaptic
[04:37] <SlackRat> use console, its faster
[04:37] <SlackRat> hawk, yea
[04:38] <SlackRat> umount -fl /dev/hdc
[04:38] <infocrash> hawk_ dont think you can if you are using that mount
[04:38] <SlackRat> or whatever hd device it is
[04:39] <saunders> it says invalid operation slackrat
[04:39] <pirothezero> so memtest86 on new ram that i just bought at frys 20 minutes ago with 232 errors is that normal?
[04:39] <hawk_> well i am installing wow with wine and it is asking for the next cd but it will not ejeced the first one so i need to force on mount it
[04:39] <SlackRat> sudo apt-get update
[04:39] <SlackRat> first
[04:39] <saunders> ?
[04:39] <saunders> ok
[04:39] <SlackRat> if you havent used it
[04:40] <SlackRat> itll update your repo list
[04:40] <saunders> done it still invLID operation slack
[04:41] <SlackRat> oh oh,,,,,did i say sudo apt get install synaptic?
[04:41] <SlackRat> install being the important word
[04:41] <saunders> sure did lol
[04:41] <saunders> didnt say install lol
[04:41] <infocrash> well use a paper clip to force eject, i dont know what will happen to the software that is using the cd
[04:41] <SlackRat> try install
[04:41] <saunders> now its working lol
[04:42] <SlackRat> that s the command for installing , lol
[04:42] <SlackRat> sorry
[04:42] <saunders> thanks slack :S
[04:42] <saunders> thanks :D
[04:42] <underdog5004> sudo eject /dev/cdrom
[04:42] <SlackRat> youll like synapitc, you can change your repos from there as well ,and it has package descriptions
[04:42] <underdog5004> synaptic is frickin' awesome, generally the first thing I install
[04:43] <SlackRat> yup
[04:43] <saunders> is it like adept guys?
[04:43] <SlackRat> much better
[04:43] <saunders> swish
[04:43] <hawk_> thankx guys
[04:43] <b0rt> whats better ?
[04:43] <hawk_> it worked
[04:43] <SlackRat> synaptic
[04:43] <b0rt> whats better than adept i mean
[04:43] <SlackRat> whats that Jucato?
[04:43] <NDPTAL85> !synaptic
[04:43] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[04:43] <underdog5004> b0rt, anything
[04:43] <Jucato> SlackRat: an app/dialog box to easily add/edit repositories
[04:44] <hendaus> hello
[04:44] <NDPTAL85> Adept has package descriptions too.
[04:44] <b0rt> i mean, what can do synaptic better than adept?
[04:44] <underdog5004> hello
[04:44] <hendaus> i need help
[04:44] <hendaus> with amule
[04:44] <underdog5004> why use amule?
[04:44] <hendaus> always im getting kad firewalled
[04:44] <underdog5004> open a port on your router
[04:44] <SlackRat> ack, my irc blew up
[04:44] <hendaus> i alreadddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddy done
[04:45] <hendaus> already done
[04:45] <b0rt> port forwarding
[04:45] <hendaus> done
[04:45] <saunders> whats multiverse and universe peeps?
[04:45] <underdog5004> use bit torrent
[04:45] <underdog5004> !multiverse > saunders
[04:45] <BrigadierFrog> where do I module-assistant from
[04:45] <hendaus> yes but thee plm the files which i need doesnt  exist on torrent
[04:46] <NDPTAL85> SlackRat: We were asking what does Synaptic do that Adept doesn't.
[04:46] <BrigadierFrog> the binarydriverhowto specifies I need module-assistant
[04:46] <SlackRat> universe is if irecall the wider range of apps not always supported by ubuntu, while multiverse is pretty much all the debian repos as well.....
[04:46] <saunders> !multiverse
[04:46] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:46] <saunders> thanks#
[04:46] <SlackRat> its faster, more stable, has downlaod speeds, and command line, repos can be added or checked off, updated, all in a smooth well tested gui
[04:47] <SlackRat> its apt in a box
[04:47] <SlackRat> adept takes forever....why reinvent the wheel
[04:47] <b0rt> heh
[04:47] <Sanne> bye all
[04:47] <b0rt> gonna give it a try then
[04:47] <SlackRat> aufwiedersehen sanne
[04:48] <SlackRat> its  been the debian and ubuntu standard for years, if you dont wanna go command line
[04:48] <hendaus> hi slackrat i need a help i have plm with kad in amule always firewalled
[04:48] <hendaus> i have opened the ports in my router
[04:48] <hendaus> same plm
[04:48] <SlackRat> sorry hendaus, just installed aMule last night and stopped trying to mess with it, i just used torrents to download what i was looking for
[04:49] <SlackRat> check either their site, or their docs.....
[04:49] <hendaus> ok thx
[04:49] <SlackRat> i ll get around to it one of these days....heh,
[04:49] <SlackRat> np
[04:49] <hendaus> iother qt i hev installed gnokii what i should write in connexion to use usb
[04:49] <hendaus> cable
[04:50] <BrigadierFrog> wow, it finally worked!
[04:51] <SlackRat> woot
[04:51] <BrigadierFrog> alright, well, hopefully the rest of this fiasco will go a little smoother/faster
[04:51] <martman> my install craps out at 45% (copying file stage). im guessing i burnt a bad disk. anyway i can do a netinstall with the disk i already made?
[04:52] <SlackRat> lol frog
[04:52] <SlackRat> !ubotu netinstall
[04:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:52] <hawk_> so for some one how is coming from window$ what are the best programs for linux
[04:52] <SlackRat> check that out martman, yeah, sounds like a bad iso burn
[04:52] <saunders> how do i know what the apropriate module for my kernel is please?
[04:52] <SlackRat> try burning at no more than 4x for isos
[04:53] <SlackRat> uname -a
[04:53] <SlackRat> will tell you the kernel info
[04:53] <gregd> trying to compile konversation for my edgy kubuntu. have all the necessary toolchain packages. getting an error: *** KDE requires autoheader 2.53 or newer.
[04:53] <saunders> ?
[04:53] <SlackRat> konsole, type 'uname -a'
[04:54] <SlackRat> see what kernel it is, those are the kernel modules you donwload then
[04:54] <Jucato> uname -r
[04:54] <SlackRat> gregd, you have gcc installed?
[04:55] <makuseru> how do i mount an ISO?
[04:55] <Jucato> gregd: which version of konversation are you compiling?
[04:55] <Jucato> !iso | makuseru
[04:55] <ubotu> makuseru: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:55] <Vague_Rant> Hey guys.
[04:55] <makuseru> thanks
[04:55] <Vague_Rant> My hard drive has kind of died, so I'm trying to install Kubuntu on my external HD.
[04:56] <gregd> Jucato: yes to gcc, svn version of konversation
[04:56] <Vague_Rant> But I want the partitions to be FAT32, and I don't seem to have much of a choice.
[04:56] <Jucato> gregd: install autoconf and automake1.9
[04:57] <gregd> Jucato: both are installed
[04:57] <intelikey> well i have gotten as far as the authentication in cups now.   after only 6 days it looks like another week of hacking and i'll finally get cups working for a "raw" printer...
[04:58] <BrigadierFrog> is there a subversion 1.4 package for 6.10
[04:58] <Jucato> gregd: kdelibs4-dev ?
[04:58] <makuseru> how do i UNmount an ISO?
[04:58] <intelikey> anyone want to tell me what it's looking for at the authentication screen ?
[04:58] <Jucato> BrigadierFrog: none
[04:58] <underdog5004> should I use the 9631 (new legacy) or the 7184 (legacy) for my Geforce2 go?
[04:58] <Jucato> makuseru: same way you unmount paritition
[04:58] <Jucato> partitions*
[04:58] <BrigadierFrog> Jucato: I suppose I could build it from source then
[04:59] <makuseru> i dunno how
[04:59] <Jucato> sudo unmount <mountpoint>
[04:59] <makuseru> oh ok, thanks Jucato
[04:59] <Jucato> makuseru: er.. "umount"
[04:59] <Jucato> not unmount, sorry
[05:00] <makuseru> k
[05:00] <intelikey> umount   and you can specify device or mountpoint.
[05:00] <Jucato> intelikey: in the case of a mounted ISO, will there be a device?
[05:00] <gregd> Jucato: yes i have the kdelibs4-dev
[05:01] <intelikey> the file.
[05:01] <intelikey> Jucato i.e. umount file.iso
[05:01] <Jucato> intelikey: ok
[05:01] <Jucato> gregd: hm... kde-devel?
[05:02] <saunders> how do i know what update to install of rnvidia :S? in SPM
[05:02] <saunders> in*
[05:02] <SlackRat> SPM?
[05:03] <SlackRat> what are the choices?
[05:03] <saunders> loads :S
[05:03] <saunders> confused :S
[05:04] <rinofima> hi
[05:05] <bonbonthejon> hi rinofima
[05:05] <intelikey> what to put in "    AuthType Basic______________________________________________________________    Require user @SYSTEM_"  on the cups admin page ?
[05:05] <TomSwift> hello
[05:05] <fuel> !adeptfix
[05:05] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:06] <intelikey> can i just change the @SYSTEM  to root ?
[05:06] <intelikey> or the authtype   to   none   ?
[05:07] <underdog5004> should I use the 9631 (new legacy) or the 7184 (legacy) for my Geforce2 go?
[05:10] <SlackRat> did i mention adept crashes? :-P
[05:11] <intelikey> i've had dpkg broken more times than i care to count...
[05:11] <SlackRat> dont know if i ever broke apt........mustve at some points, usually upgrading
[05:12] <SlackRat> been a while since i used dkpkg
[05:12] <intelikey> yeah that's normally where i hosed it.
[05:12] <intelikey> dpkg ?
[05:12] <intelikey> you use it every time you install or remove a package.
[05:16] <intelikey> damn!   i'm over 40 years old, and i just now noticed that vary and very were spelled differently.
[05:17] <fudgey> hey
[05:17] <fudgey> are there any admins?
[05:17] <intelikey> only root
[05:17] <fudgey> ??
[05:17] <fudgey> nonono  admins of #ubuntu
[05:17] <fudgey> cuz it says im banned =(
[05:18] <intelikey> fudgey what did you do ?   flood ?
[05:18] <SlackRat> but you dont deal with driectly if youre aptgetting, used to install pkgs from cds with it dpkg -i if i recall
[05:18] <fudgey> dunno
[05:18] <fudgey> I dont recall
[05:19] <intelikey> SlackRat but a frontend is only a frontend...
[05:19] <SlackRat> and a backend is only a backend
[05:19] <intelikey> fudgey so aside from being banned from that channel what do you need ?
[05:19] <SlackRat> and where would we be without dselect :-P
[05:19] <fudgey> ahh nothing
[05:19] <fudgey> il just talk here then
[05:19] <SlackRat> he doesnt need to be banned, he already got that
[05:19] <fudgey> ask help here
[05:20] <SlackRat> fudgery, no great loss
[05:20] <fudgey> yeah
[05:20] <fudgey> ubuntu and kubuntu are about the same
[05:20] <intelikey> fudgey actually that's how i got here too....
[05:20] <fudgey> =/
[05:20] <SlackRat> theres ubuntu-offtopic and ubuntu-forums but theyre not heavy on support,,,,,
[05:21] <fudgey> thanks
[05:21] <SlackRat> this room at least has less than 900 people
[05:21] <archangel_> does anyone here have any experience with the ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset with linux?
[05:22] <fudgey> does he ban last a life time?
[05:22] <intelikey> no really i got banned in #ubuntu for disagreeing with an op.   (he was wrong, but that don't matter; he had ops)   ....
[05:22] <fudgey> yeah
[05:22] <archangel_> I hear the chipset is NOT recommended for linux
[05:22] <fudgey> I think I did that
[05:22] <fudgey> but worse
[05:22] <intelikey> no normally a few weeks.
[05:22] <fudgey> I swore once
[05:22] <SlackRat> do tell
[05:22] <Prophet> Anyone familiar with getting WPA-TKIP setup?
[05:22] <SlackRat> once?
[05:22] <fudgey> yeah
[05:22] <intelikey> archangel_ !i  sorry.
[05:23] <SlackRat> fsck them if they cant take a joke......
[05:23] <fudgey> he probably thought I swore like 20 times
[05:23] <archangel_> good to see you again intelikey
[05:23] <archangel_> long time
[05:24] <intelikey> archangel_ ati has been very low on the support structure...   maybe sense the merger that will change.
[05:24] <archangel_> hows the kids?
[05:24] <SlackRat> stick around here fudgery.....i ve been talking with some ubuntu and kubuntu folks about an unofficial ubuntu support irc channel in the near future
[05:24] <intelikey> archangel_ back at ya. :)
[05:24] <fudgey> awesome
[05:24] <intelikey> kids.     ah.  don't ask.
[05:24] <archangel_> yeah, lets hope so
[05:25] <intelikey> 18 years old.   any questions?
[05:25] <SlackRat> asl plz
[05:25] <fudgey> LOL
[05:25] <SlackRat> heh
[05:25] <intelikey> i thought there was one.   #ubuntu
[05:25] <intelikey> :)
[05:26] <SlackRat> thats official
[05:26] <SlackRat> thats the one that banned him
[05:26] <intelikey> been in there lately ?
[05:26] <SlackRat> fairly yea
[05:27] <intelikey> if you question is more than "where is the start button"  good luck....
[05:27] <makuseru> !ISO
[05:27] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[05:27] <SlackRat> thinking of dropping the forums too ......too many people with almost no experience passing out disinformation
[05:27] <SlackRat> and banning and abusing the ubotu instead of dealing with actual quesitons
[05:27] <TomSwift> firefox question
[05:27] <intelikey> that too.
[05:28] <intelikey> !botabuse
[05:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:28] <makuseru> are you talking to me?
[05:28] <SlackRat> heh
[05:28] <fudgey> no
[05:28] <SlackRat> no ubotu, i meant overuse of bots
[05:28] <intelikey> makuseru no.   just  blababbing
[05:28] <makuseru> oh ok, got worried
[05:28] <SlackRat> not cussin  them out and beating them, lol
[05:29] <SlackRat> you silly wanker bot
[05:29] <fudgey> haha
[05:30] <intelikey> !botsnack | SlackRat
[05:30] <ubotu> SlackRat: Yum!
[05:30] <fudgey> LOL
[05:30] <intelikey> now that's bot abuse....
[05:30] <intelikey> :)
[05:30] <fudgey> hey is slackware free?
[05:30] <fudgey> open source?
[05:30] <intelikey> yes
[05:30] <intelikey> FOSS
[05:30] <fudgey> awesome
[05:31] <intelikey> !FOSS
[05:31] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[05:31] <SlackRat> yup free as in freedom and free as in beer
[05:31] <intelikey> "as we can make it"    heh.
[05:32] <flaccid> !freebsd
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freebsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <flaccid> typical
[05:32] <hawk_> what are the most have programs for linux
[05:32] <intelikey> yeap
[05:32] <SlackRat> well hes honest......no one wants to do without everything
[05:32] <fudgey> is it possible to get a ppc version of slackware??
[05:32] <SlackRat> must have? depends on what you do wiht your puter
[05:33] <flaccid> !gateway
[05:33] <intelikey> hawk_ probably debian.
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gateway - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <hawk_> i do every thing
[05:33] <flaccid> !natd
[05:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about natd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:33] <flaccid> !ppp
[05:33] <ubotu> ppp: Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon. In component main, is standard. Version 2.4.4rel-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1016 kB
[05:33] <hawk_> graphics video and alot
[05:33] <gregd> Jucato: I guess my system was trying to use unsermake
[05:33] <flaccid> dang
[05:33] <SlackRat> er, ubuntu has more packages than debian now
[05:33] <intelikey> hawk_ if i understood your Q
[05:33] <asaup> hi
[05:34] <fudgey> ubuntu doesnt work on my ppc =(
[05:34] <asaup> i have a problem
[05:34] <intelikey> SlackRat more packages != more programs.
[05:34] <asaup> !
[05:34] <asaup> !=
[05:34] <intelikey> !-  not equal
[05:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about not equal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <hawk_> hey not say i will but anyone know if you cant get cigna or that game version of wine of a p2p program
[05:35] <SlackRat> well it pretty much includes the debian repos in multiverse plus all the ubuntu addons
[05:35] <intelikey> SlackRat what ubuntu addons would that be ?
[05:36] <SlackRat> adept prolly, the new control panel for kde,,,,,
[05:36] <asaup> my kubuntu dvd does not boot
[05:36] <SlackRat> you want a list?
[05:36] <asaup> i have made it now from the iso
[05:36] <asaup> :(
[05:37] <intelikey> asaup will it boot in another computer ?
[05:37] <asaup> no
[05:37] <fudgey> then you gotta check the quality of it
[05:37] <intelikey> asaup you didn't burn it to disk correctly.
[05:37] <asaup> i burn it with ashampo
[05:37] <fudgey> .
[05:37] <fudgey> .
[05:38] <fudgey> you need to use another program
[05:38] <asaup> ok
[05:38] <asaup> thnx
[05:38] <asaup> :)
[05:38] <fudgey> anti-virus
[05:38] <intelikey> heh
[05:38] <fudgey> spam
[05:38] <fudgey> w/e
[05:38] <asaup> no
[05:38] <SlackRat> burning on windows?
[05:39] <asaup> hahahaha
[05:39] <asaup> its called
[05:39] <fudgey> you need to use imburn
[05:39] <asaup> ahampoo
[05:39] <fudgey> imgburn
[05:39] <fudgey> image burn
[05:39] <intelikey> !enter
[05:39] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:39] <asaup> ashampoo burning studio 6
[05:39] <asaup> :P
[05:39] <asaup> i made a mistake
[05:39] <fudgey> a shampo?
[05:39] <fudgey> a shampoo?
[05:39] <fudgey> are u sure?
[05:39] <SlackRat> use nero
[05:40] <SlackRat> yeah , ashampoo s been out for a few years
[05:40] <intelikey> a' sh' am po'
[05:40] <intelikey> i sure am poor
[05:40] <fudgey> LOl
[05:40] <asaup> lol
[05:40] <asaup> :P
[05:40] <fudgey> im more poor
[05:40] <fudgey> 1 dolla a day
[05:40] <SlackRat> wouldnt that be a sha am poo?
[05:40] <asaup> me too
[05:40] <intelikey> samantics ya C++
[05:41] <asaup> i am so poor that i do not have another dvd to burn it
[05:41] <intelikey> poo  ?
[05:41] <asaup> :P
[05:41] <SlackRat> no asaup, youre not poo, it just feels that way sometimes
[05:41] <SlackRat> :0P
[05:41] <asaup> hahahaha
[05:41] <asaup> :P
[05:41] <asaup> lol
[05:41] <SlackRat> lol
[05:42] <intelikey> SlackRat use your ebonics    po == poor   every body knows that.
[05:42] <SlackRat> yes but the app is called aShampoo
[05:42] <intelikey> po dunc hick town
[05:42] <SlackRat> not po is in a n'orleens po'boy
[05:42] <asaup> how can i make to use windows software in kubuntu
[05:42] <asaup> ??
[05:42] <SlackRat> wine
[05:43] <intelikey> nalins
[05:43] <SlackRat> or use vmware and run windows inside linux
[05:43] <SlackRat> nalins, heh
[05:43] <intelikey> yankee  say it right.
[05:43] <flaccid> !wine
[05:43] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:43] <flaccid> !xen
[05:43] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[05:43] <asaup> i know but does wine support all new softwares
[05:43] <flaccid> asaup: no
[05:43] <Vague_Rant> Hey guys. I'm trying to install kubuntu on my external HD, and it crashes while trying to create the ext3 filesystem.
[05:44] <Vague_Rant> Does anyone have any ideas?
[05:44] <SlackRat> who you callin a yankie, red neck?
[05:44] <SlackRat> lol
[05:44] <dsmith> heh
[05:44] <dsmith> I have a question re: xorg.conf
[05:44] <intelikey> !alternate | Vague_Rant
[05:44] <ubotu> Vague_Rant: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[05:44] <SlackRat> are you gonna share this question with us or make us guess?
[05:44] <intelikey> Vague_Rant not sure it will do any better   but it might.
[05:45] <intelikey> it's  " for an "expert" mode install."  ^  ya know.
[05:45] <memo_> hi
[05:45] <dsmith> at the bottom where it says Section "Screen". I have Indentifier, Device, Monitor, Default Depth, subsection, depth, modes, then it repeats like 6 times
[05:45] <dsmith> depth is different numbers
[05:45] <SlackRat> right
[05:46] <intelikey> that's still not a Q
[05:46] <SlackRat> lol
[05:46] <Vague_Rant> Yeah, I imagine I'd be screwed in an expert install.
[05:46] <dsmith> question is: is that normaL?
[05:46] <dsmith> :p
[05:46] <asaup> does kubuntu edgy have drivers for nvidia geforce go 7400 TC
[05:46] <SlackRat> no, think of it as debian training
[05:46] <SlackRat> yes
[05:46] <intelikey> Vague_Rant i'd try it.  the gui install is pretty ridgid.
[05:47] <SlackRat> its normal
[05:47] <fudgey> try the 8 series for nvidia
[05:47] <fudgey> gfx
[05:47] <SlackRat> i think the alternative is also for cd upgrades
[05:47] <intelikey> dsmith yes that's normal
[05:47] <dsmith> hmmmm.. beryl wont show the updated window borders
[05:47] <asaup> does it have all drivers for hp pavilion dv6162ea notebook
[05:47] <asaup> i mean
[05:47] <asaup> webcam and so on
[05:47] <dsmith> someone said to change defaultdepth and depth to "24"
[05:47] <intelikey> !beryl | dsmith
[05:48] <ubotu> dsmith: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:48] <intelikey> beryl is supported in there  ^
[05:48] <dsmith> tu
[05:48] <dsmith> hope someone is alive... :)
[05:48] <asaup> does kubuntu have all drivers for hp pavilion dv6162ea notebook
[05:49] <intelikey> asaup i didn't know there was a driver for a notebook...
[05:49] <asaup> no sorry
[05:49] <asaup> i mean
[05:50] <intelikey> asaup you mean for all the Krap built into the thing ?
[05:50] <asaup> for webcam
[05:50] <asaup> yes
[05:50] <asaup> :)
[05:50] <asaup> sorry
[05:50] <martman> i wish they installer new that grub will die on big drives
[05:50] <martman> (320 gigers)
[05:50] <asaup> i did not ask the right thing
[05:50] <martman> *knew
[05:50] <intelikey> oh.    hmmm     dumb me, point him to a question i can't answer, why don't i.
[05:51] <intelikey> martman grub will boot anything that bios can boot.
[05:51] <intelikey> make a /boot partition of 128m
[05:52] <intelikey> asaup there may be info on the wiki about specific hardware that you have.  you'll have to find someone with the same notebook, or just go search.   sorry.
[05:52] <asaup> :D
[05:52] <asaup> ok thnx
[05:52] <asaup> a last thing
[05:52] <asaup> i want to know
[05:53] <intelikey> sure.
[05:53] <intelikey> i'll
[05:53] <intelikey> answer
[05:53] <intelikey> if
[05:53] <intelikey> i
[05:53] <intelikey> can
[05:53] <intelikey> .
[05:53] <asaup> the diference between
[05:53] <asaup> the dvd and the cd download. does the dvd contain more softs
[05:53] <asaup> ?
[05:53] <hawk_> where do i go to find out what drivers linux is using for my videocard
[05:53] <asaup> if not i have spread my time downloading it
[05:54] <intelikey> yes it does.  and has the textmode as well as the liveCD
[05:54] <asaup> :D
[05:54] <martman> intelikey kubuntu and debian both refuse to boot when i just have a root and swap
[05:54] <intelikey> martman yes.  make a /boot partition.
[05:54] <martman> intelikey i did with the 2nd kubuntu install
[05:54] <martman> intelikey apparently it didnt use it
[05:54] <asaup> thank you all
[05:55] <asaup> ok thank you all. i'm going to install kubuntu with the new dvd :D
[05:55] <asaup> :D
[05:55] <asaup> see you later from the root instead of the fucking C: that have bored me so much
[05:55] <asaup> :D
[05:55] <asaup> bye
[05:56] <intelikey> martman just a small primary partition.  mounted as /boot     maybe 100m in size.   all it has to hold is the kernel the initramfs.img and the grub configs.
[05:56] <intelikey> martman you can use lilo   though
[05:56] <intelikey> i have to use lilo.    grub is too weak to boot a partitionless disk.
[05:57] <martman> ok, trying this one more time
[05:57] <martman> i made a /boot last time though...
[05:57] <SlackRat> ah, that explains why backtrack used lilo for my usb flash install......
[05:58] <intelikey> /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 0 0
[05:58] <intelikey> probably sda1
[05:58] <intelikey> SlackRat no partition ?
[05:58] <hawk_> or there any new drivers for nVideo out that i can get it is say that i am using nv so
[05:59] <hawk_> and i am trying to get berly to run but it want
[05:59] <SlackRat> no, just one big partiion.......
[05:59] <intelikey> !ati | hawk_
[05:59] <ubotu> hawk_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:59] <hawk_> thank u
[06:01] <xurpasops> hello
[06:01] <xurpasops> how can i join an undernet channel?
[06:02] <intelikey> join the server.  /server irc.undernet.net    or what ever it is.
[06:02] <intelikey> then you can
[06:02] <xurpasops> hmmm okey. thanks.
[06:02] <intelikey> np
[06:03] <intelikey> now my turn.   what kind of Krap is this ???
[06:03] <intelikey> Authentication required for CUPS at http://127.0.0.1:631
[06:03] <intelikey> 
[06:03] <intelikey>               Login:
[06:03] <intelikey> howto change that?
[06:14] <michael> can anyone help me with shell comands
[06:14] <Mena> If i change the Mouse setting to be more speedy ...Would that make a big load on the cpu !!!?
[06:14] <hitmanWilly> Mena, shouldn't
[06:15] <Mena> hitmanWilly, okay good
[06:15] <michael> can someone help me with shell comands please wisper if possible
[06:15] <intelikey> michael ?
[06:15] <hawk_> i need help with berly i have no header thing on any of my windows
[06:16] <intelikey> hawk_ did you try the beryl channel ?
[06:16] <intelikey> !beryl
[06:16] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:16] <intelikey>     ^
[06:16] <hawk_> theres a channel
[06:19] <intelikey> i guess you didn't have a question michael ?
[06:20] <michael> i do i need some info on how to use shell comands i havenet used a promt since dos6.22 and could use a little hlep
[06:20] <intelikey> you could use a lot of help.
[06:20] <intelikey> !cli
[06:20] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:20] <intelikey> there is a start   ^
[06:21] <michael> usually in dos though all i had to do was a:/ install and it took care of everything for me
[06:21] <michael> thanks ill try it out and if i have problems i gues ill be back
[06:22] <martman> ok...now i wish checking a fs would have a progress bar or something
[06:22] <martman> this is retarded...
[06:23] <michael> anyone considedered doing a skype phone plug in build with an irc plugin?
[06:23] <intelikey> martman it can have.   man e2fsck
[06:23] <intelikey> michael sorry.   like why ?
[06:25] <intelikey> well cli apps at least
[06:28] <intelikey> localhost - - [24/Feb/2007:23:27:22 -0600]  "POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1" 401 3940 - -
[06:28] <intelikey> localhost - - [24/Feb/2007:23:27:22 -0600]  "POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1" 200 3940 - -
[06:28] <flaccid> yes
[06:29] <intelikey> cups error  E [24/Feb/2007:23:27:24 -0600]  cupsdAuthorize: Empty Basic password!
[06:29] <intelikey> E [24/Feb/2007:23:27:24 -0600]  cupsdAuthorize: Empty Basic password!
[06:29] <intelikey> howto fix that?
[06:31] <intelikey> can i change "DefaultAuthType Basic"   to  "DefaultAuthType none"
[06:31] <intelikey> ?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, not sure
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, mine doesn't ask for auth
[06:33] <archangel_> wow, DSL is working like a champ on my P133
[06:33] <archangel_> fast as all get out
[06:33] <elyon225> Could someone recommend a good replacement for the KDE kicker?  I assume I'm looking for a dock, app, right?
[06:34] <intelikey> elyon225 kicker is the pannel
[06:34] <martman> can i add debian sources without killing apt?
[06:34] <intelikey> martman no
[06:35] <lotusleaf> elyon225: http://www.kde-apps.org/
[06:35] <intelikey> you might add one or two packages and not notice any problem but adding a debian repo will hose the install with time.
[06:35] <martman> damit
[06:35] <lotusleaf> elyon225: one example: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6585
[06:35] <martman> (bsd side)
[06:36] <intelikey> jump.
[06:36] <intelikey> *nix is good.
[06:37] <elyon225> lotusleaf: Thank you.
[06:37] <intelikey> hitmanWilly going to 127.0.0.1:631 and adding a printer doesn't ask you for a username and password ?
[06:38] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah, i added my normal account to the lpadmin group
[06:39] <dftpnkezln> hey all, could someone give me some advice?
[06:39] <dftpnkezln> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_M6VA,Z70VA#Sensors
[06:39] <dftpnkezln> how would i go about putting that into effect?
[06:39] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yeah ?   yeah it does or not ?
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, no pass if i remember right
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, been awhile
[06:42] <smaggard> hiyas
[06:44] <smaggard> apt-get dist-upgrade is the way to upgrade to edgy right?
[06:45] <Jucato> !upgrade
[06:45] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[06:45] <rkvirani>  I just installed kubuntu-desktop ontop of an xubuntu install, how do I get rid of the xubuntu stuff?
[06:46] <ForgeAus> apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop
[06:46] <smaggard> thx
[06:46] <rkvirani> ForgeAus: that will only get rid of two packages
[06:46] <Jucato> ForgeAus: won't exactly work
[06:46] <intelikey> ForgeAus that will do nothing.
[06:46] <rkvirani> what about xfce and all its dependancies.
[06:46] <ForgeAus> really?
[06:46] <rkvirani> yes
[06:46] <Jucato> really
[06:46] <ForgeAus> apt-get remove xfce?
[06:46] <Jucato> rkvirani: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[06:47] <intelikey> apt-get remove xfce*  might do it.
[06:47] <ForgeAus> wait how come xubuntu-destop ony has 2 packagex more than kubuntu-desktop?
[06:47] <intelikey> but look the list over carefully.
[06:47] <Jucato> ForgeAus: it will only remove the xfce package or something that depends on it. not the stuff that xubuntu installs
[06:47] <ForgeAus> beachse xubuntu-desktop's a metapackage right?
[06:47] <Jucato> er I mean xubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <Jucato> yes
[06:47] <ForgeAus> grrr
[06:47] <intelikey> Jucato with the wildcard   ?
[06:48] <ForgeAus> um is ther a way to compress all my app icons? (u know usr/share/icons , etc
[06:48] <intelikey> apt-get remove xfce*  <<<
[06:48] <ForgeAus> theres no compress file attribute for linux right?
[06:48] <Jucato> intelikey: dunno about the wildcard. but there are more than xfce* packages installed with xubuntu-desktop
[06:48] <asaup> hi
[06:48] <Jucato> ForgeAus: um.. tar?
[06:48] <asaup> i have installed kubuntu
[06:48] <asaup> and
[06:48] <hitmanWilly> ForgeAus, try apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop, then apt-get autoremove
[06:49] <rkvirani> I could try that... I dont know if it would get Thanks!
[06:49] <intelikey> Jucato i know and wildcarding sometime gets things you don't expect.
[06:49] <asaup> i want to know how can i get synaptic
[06:49] <ForgeAus> jucato but will my apps read them if I tar them?
[06:49] <Jucato> ForgeAus: when you tar something (like zipping or rar'ing), you don't touch the files themselves
[06:49] <intelikey> asaup install it.
[06:49] <Jucato> it's copied into the tarball
[06:49] <ForgeAus> Jucato I don't wnat two copies
[06:50] <Jucato> so you'll have the original (untouched) files + a .tar.gz
[06:50] <asaup> yes i know but how
[06:50] <ForgeAus> I want to compress the used copy
[06:50] <asaup> sudo apt-get install synaptic ??
[06:50] <Jucato> ForgeAus: ah no
[06:50] <ForgeAus> xpm is basically a bitmap right?
[06:50] <intelikey> asaup with the package manager
[06:50] <dftpnkezln> can anyone tell me if its possible to alter the kernel settings (i just want to add support for my hardware sensors on a notebook) without completely recompiling it?
[06:50] <asaup> ok
[06:50] <ForgeAus> how about something like squashfs or something?
[06:50] <intelikey> !adept | asaup
[06:50] <ubotu> asaup: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:50] <intelikey> !synaptic | asaup
[06:50] <ubotu> asaup: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:50] <smaggard> whats the chances of this breaking my dapper? lol
[06:50] <intelikey> !apt | asaup
[06:50] <ubotu> asaup: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:51] <ForgeAus> hehe its ok, just wondering if it can be done thats all
[06:51] <dftpnkezln> anyone?
[06:52] <intelikey> ForgeAus you could move everything in /usr/share into a squashfs and mount it on /usr/share
[06:52] <intelikey> dftpnkezln a module
[06:52] <ForgeAus> intelikey thats what I was thinking
[06:52] <hitmanWilly> dftpnkezln, you can just rebuild the modules
[06:52] <ForgeAus> but squashfs is not writable right?
[06:52] <dftpnkezln> intelikey: ah ok, how can i do that?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> well changes aren't permenant
[06:54] <smaggard> o i got a quick question. will my wireless drivers stay intact after a dist-upgrade?
[06:54] <intelikey> ForgeAus i've never actually used a squashfs  but i guess one could use unionfs and append the squashfs to the root fs ....  this is sounding more and more like something i'd do.....
[06:54] <ForgeAus> rofl
[06:55] <ForgeAus> sounds complex, and I don't know anything about unionfs
[06:55] <dftpnkezln> its a broad question i know, but basically im just trying to put http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_M6VA,Z70VA#Sensors whats there
[06:55] <ForgeAus> !unionfs
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unionfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <ForgeAus> !squashfs
[06:55] <smaggard> nvr used unionfs either
[06:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squashfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <intelikey> dftpnkezln if the module is already made you modprobe it   if it's not you compile the module then modprobe it.
[06:55] <dftpnkezln> hmm ok, thanks mate
[06:55] <smaggard> by typing modprobe module
[06:55] <ForgeAus> never ceases to amaze me just what ubotu does and doesn't pick up :)
[06:56] <flaccid> !botsnack
[06:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:56] <ForgeAus> !yum
[06:56] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[06:56] <intelikey> dftpnkezln give me a sec and i'll look at the page...
[06:56] <flaccid> i think hes on drugs
[06:56] <SlackRat> flaccid, stop fondling the bot
[06:56] <SlackRat> botophiliac
[06:56] <smaggard> lol
[06:56] <ForgeAus> Slack, most pets enjoy being fondled
[06:56] <flaccid> hehe
[06:56] <smaggard> lol
[06:56] <SlackRat> heh
[06:56] <smaggard> sicko
[06:56] <ForgeAus> uh?
[06:57] <ForgeAus> whats sick about that? ... unless you got a dirty mind I guess..
[06:57] <dftpnkezln> ta
[06:57] <smaggard> say whaaat
[06:57] <SlackRat> bleh, we're all bozos on this bus
[06:57] <SlackRat> :-P
[06:57] <smaggard> heh brb
[06:57] <ForgeAus> hehe at least the wheels are turning
[06:57] <ForgeAus> hmmm... I'm off to research unionFS some
[06:58] <sam__> a silly question: I thot Dapper was LTS but seems to have been dropped? No new KDE in Dapper
[06:58] <intelikey> dftpnkezln i think you just need to modprobe i2c  and install ksensors - lm-sensors frontend for KDE
[06:58] <ForgeAus> sam, dapper's been superceded by edgy
[06:58] <flaccid> !lts
[06:58] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> the LTS I'm not sure about...
[06:58] <gregd> getting this runtime error for strigi. compiled svn on kubuntu edgy. error is: strigiclient: error while loading shared libraries: libstrigiqtdbusclient.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:59] <ForgeAus> but I guess feisty may get LTS if Dappers expires
[06:59] <flaccid> which actually means security updates if you're lucky
[06:59] <intelikey> dftpnkezln if that don't get you going.  give is a post
[06:59] <Jucato> ForgeAus: nope
[06:59] <dftpnkezln> ok mate, thanks ill give it a shot
[06:59] <ForgeAus> well I guess I guessed wrong
[06:59] <Jucato> sam__: Long Term Support doesn't mean it will get **version** updates
[07:00] <Jucato> at least not always
[07:00] <dftpnkezln> intelikey: FATAL: Module i2c not found.
[07:00] <intelikey> correct.  updates will mostly be in the form of patches bug fixes and security revisions
[07:00] <Jucato> it may, or may not. what LTS absolutely guarantees are bugfixes and security patches on the currnet version of packages. if you update packages through dapper-backports or kubuntu.org repositories, then those aren't absolutely covered by the LTS
[07:01] <flaccid> if you're lucky
[07:01] <intelikey> dftpnkezln it's there somewhere.  let me check.
[07:01] <candy_kisses> if i upgrade my sources.list to herd 4's.. and i install one or more packages.. (i want emesene) is that completely risky?
[07:01] <SlackRat> im guessing maybe another LTS in October, maybe not
[07:01] <flaccid> lts is bogus
[07:01] <Jucato> SlackRat: nope.
[07:02] <smaggard_> dang i need a snack or somethin'
[07:02] <Jucato> LTS life span is 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server
[07:02] <flaccid> there are bugs up to 1 year old in dapper still not fixed
[07:02] <jay> if i upgrade my sources.list to herd 4's.. and i install one or more packages.. (i want emesene) is that completely risky?
[07:02] <flaccid> do i have to wait 2 years for the updates?
[07:03] <ForgeAus> !botsnack
[07:03] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:03] <Jucato> jay: installing packages form other sources always involves a bit of rist..
[07:03] <pc1> hi
[07:03] <ForgeAus> oops sorry smaggard can only feed the bot from here
[07:03] <Jucato> flaccid: depends on what "updates" you are looking for
[07:03] <smaggard_> is there a kubuntu ltsp type project happening?
[07:03] <jay> I want emesene, it requires some python updates... how risky can that be? :)
[07:03] <smaggard_> that would be awesome
[07:03] <flaccid> Jucato: resoution of the bugs on launchpad that are 1 year old
[07:03] <SlackRat> but have they decided that those LTS's will only be replaced when the three years are up? that , i haven t heard
[07:03] <intelikey> dftpnkezln heh  ooops   there are  37  i2c modules in the kernel i have.   use this command.     sudo -i     then this.      . /etc/bash_completion           and finally this.       modprobe i2c[tab] 
[07:03] <Jucato> jay: very risky.. *buntu is very Python-reliant
[07:04] <intelikey> that will list them for you.  pick out the ones you need.   not sure what all you have as to hardware.
[07:04] <ForgeAus> !emesene
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emesene - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:04] <SlackRat> and i doubt LTS users will stay with ubuntu if it means kde 3.5 is on the desktop when kde 4.3 is out
[07:04] <Jucato> flaccid: depends on a lot of factors though... has the bug report been confirmed? what kind of bug is it? is it a KDE bug? or some other non-KDE package?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> whats emesene?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> and why would that require REMOVAL of python packages?
[07:04] <jay> U kno for Xgl always segfaults on me regularly-ISH theese days.... I wonder if python might be my problem. Running beryl
[07:04] <Jucato> SlackRat: LTS is not meant fo that anyway
[07:04] <flaccid> confirmed
[07:05] <Jucato> ForgeAus: em-es-ene = MSN, afaik
[07:05] <Jucato> flaccid: link please?
[07:05] <ForgeAus> ahh Jucato, IC
[07:05] <flaccid> there is no official document that outlines what lts will physically give...
[07:05] <intelikey>       . /etc/bash_completion
[07:05] <flaccid> i'll try to find
[07:05] <intelikey>        ^   note the dot
[07:06] <ForgeAus> Jay its possible beryl wasn't developed to be KDE/Python compatible?
[07:06] <SlackRat> theres mention from shuttleworth himself that LTS releases are possible berfore the three year liimit
[07:06] <SlackRat> jsut as breezy was maintained for its time but didnt stop a new release
[07:06] <dftpnkezln> ooh
[07:06] <dftpnkezln> ok i see lots of them now
[07:06] <flaccid> Jucato: you can easily find on bugs.launchpad. this one might be an example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/8497
[07:06] <Jucato> SlackRat: possible. but breezy isn't LTS. and that always happens
[07:06] <flaccid> 2004-09-25 13:16:50 UTC
[07:07] <Jucato> SlackRat: a release is still "living" when a new version is released
[07:08] <SlackRat> LTS isnt a three year debian stable, its when they think they can pull together a tight stable, not too experimental system better suited for stability and possibley enterprise, with the benefits of long term support.......some machines may not cope with  a new LTS right away, hence the long term......but someone guessed maybe a year and ahalf from dapper would be another LTS
[07:08] <intelikey> actually
[07:08] <dftpnkezln> intelikey: ok when i modprobe the various i2c's i get no response, just a new blank line at the console
[07:08] <intelikey> dftpnkezln no error in linus means no error
[07:08] <flaccid> i would like to read an official document clearly outlining what LTS provides...
[07:08] <intelikey> linus ?
[07:08] <intelikey> linux.
[07:08] <Jucato> SlackRat: actually, LTS ia 3-5 year supported release
[07:09] <SlackRat> right, my point as well, its still living... i thought you were saying that only after three years will they put another LTS out
[07:09] <sam__> me too
[07:09] <SlackRat> five on servers
[07:09] <Jucato> flaccid: there's also the problem that the bug might have to be fixed upstream (from the actual writers of the package/program)
[07:09] <SlackRat> that three year wait hasnt been confirmed at all.....
[07:09] <flaccid> thats not my problem , Jucato
[07:09] <sam__> so what would be the advantage of me running dapper LTS instead of Edgy?
[07:10] <SlackRat> stabiltiy and longer support
[07:10] <intelikey> sam__ more updates ?
[07:10] <tarelerulz> I am lost I can't seem to get  adept to install firefox
[07:10] <SlackRat> for alonger time
[07:10] <sam__> u mean security updates?
[07:10] <tarelerulz> How do you compile firefox it dose not seem to have a configure file
[07:11] <intelikey> and bug fixes maybe...
[07:11] <SlackRat> the dev team has also made a commitment to backport more than just security for the LTS releases
[07:11] <flaccid> this and that
[07:11] <intelikey> idk what all the updates are but i'v had a tun of them
[07:11] <flaccid> nothing of actualy physica definition
[07:11] <intelikey> some fix things
[07:11] <intelikey> some break things
[07:11] <intelikey> :)
[07:11] <flaccid> solaris 10 is kicking our ass..
[07:11] <flaccid> hehe
[07:12] <tarelerulz> Do any of you know how to install firefox
[07:12] <flaccid> !firefox
[07:12] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:12] <flaccid> which version?
[07:12] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:12] <flaccid> there you go really
[07:12] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:12] <flaccid> i think thats a deprecating meta package, intelikey
[07:13] <intelikey> he didn't specify the flavour
[07:13] <tarelerulz> I am reading firefox new version howto
[07:13] <flaccid> thats true
[07:13] <tarelerulz> it sounds a bit old
[07:13] <tarelerulz> has link this link that
[07:13] <sam__> well.. i'll take yo word for it... I still had to upgrade all my dapper boxes in order to run the new KDE + KOffice + KDevelop cause there were no dapper packages & i didnt want to compile it myself
[07:13] <tarelerulz> Seem like a lot of work to install it
[07:14] <intelikey> sam__ you didn't have to "run the new KDE + KOffice + KDevelop "     did you ?
[07:14] <SlackRat> ""Dapper is going to be a benchmark for stability while the ubuntu team have a little fun for a release or two"   LX Format  Special Feature on Ubuntu and interveiw with Mark SHuttleworth
[07:14] <flaccid> wtf
[07:14] <flaccid> sounds unstable
[07:15] <SlackRat> its based on debian sid snapshots, isnt that being redundant, lol
[07:15] <sam__> intelikey: I believe i did, they were bug fixes i couldn't do with out!
[07:16] <tarelerulz> it is just me or  you can't install firefox the normal way with configure file and make file
[07:16] <intelikey> hmmm  ok.
[07:17] <intelikey> tarelerulz normal way = compiling from source ?    ha.
[07:17] <sam__> ... koffice for one.. amaroK, konqui, kdevelop.. I had to upgrade
[07:17] <tarelerulz> Well, I can't get it adept way
[07:17] <tarelerulz> That is the only reason I am trying from souce
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> tarelerulz, if i remember right, firefox has some closed source stuff with it that makes it difficult to compile from source
[07:17] <intelikey> tarelerulz if you want to compile it.   install build-essential and get after it.
[07:18] <Jucato> !firefox
[07:18] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:18] <intelikey> tarelerulz if you can't apt-get it.  then you have your suorces.list screwed up.
[07:18] <lotusleaf> there's also:
[07:18] <lotusleaf> !iceweasel
[07:18] <ubotu> Iceweasel's homepage is http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ with more detailed information at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel
[07:18] <intelikey> !repos
[07:18] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:18] <tarelerulz> It gets it and installs it ,but I can not run it from menu or terminal
[07:18] <tarelerulz> I don't know what is up with that
[07:19] <tarelerulz> a lot of my program not working
[07:19] <hitmanWilly> tarelerulz, any error msgs?
[07:19] <intelikey> 64 bit ?
[07:19] <sam__> intelikey: also i have clients i managed to move from Windows Desktops to Kubuntu, and these were tired of ugrades after every few yrs "win98->WinME->Win2K->WinXP->Vista...
[07:19] <intelikey> last time i heard that i shortly found out that it was a 64bit install
[07:20] <sam__> they liked that u could apt-get install  & apt-get upgrade
[07:20] <luckyone> does anyone know how to force my laptop backlight to go off?
[07:20] <SlackRat> backlight?
[07:20] <intelikey> sam__ so you moved to something that upgrades every six month.... boy what a help.
[07:20] <luckyone> SlackRat: like the lamp that makes my lcd bright
[07:20] <tarelerulz> I don't get an error it just go to the next line
[07:21] <sam__> ..but they soon found me telling them upgrade to Edgy.. or wait for Fiesty...
[07:21] <SlackRat> or every year or tow......
[07:21] <SlackRat> take out the battery?
[07:21] <luckyone> when I do sleep 5 && xset +dpms && xset s off off && xset dpms 0 0 0 && xset dpms force off, it just turns the screen blank, but leaves it on...
[07:21] <SlackRat> sam, this is for business use?
[07:21] <sam__> yes
[07:21] <hitmanWilly> SlackRat, i think he means while its on
[07:21] <SlackRat> why didnt they stay with dapper?
[07:21] <SlackRat> oh
[07:22] <sam__> i prefer Kubuntu to Redhat
[07:22] <tarelerulz> in the past I have ran firefox  by finding the exaquible file and it worked
[07:22] <intelikey> sam__ that should probably be debian sarge   or something.
[07:22] <SlackRat> me too, but for a business i certainly wouldn t move them to edgy
[07:22] <luckyone> hitmanWilly: yes, while it is on - I just want the display to go off
[07:22] <SlackRat> well, etch would be better to wait for atm
[07:23] <SlackRat> and if i were the boss and you suggested fiesty right now? i d fire you
[07:23] <intelikey> on the SPOT
[07:23] <SlackRat> theres alot of misinformation in channels about edgy being the latest stable release, without defining, in ubuntu terms, what stable means
[07:23] <sam__> intelikey: those we my sentiments at first, untill i saw most of the new releases were now for Edgy no Dapper packages in sight...
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> luckyone, you could try in the screensaver settings, i think you can set up the display to shut off when you lock the screen
[07:24] <SlackRat> what does a busineess need thats in edgy ?
[07:24] <intelikey> sam__ what "new releases "  ?
[07:24] <SlackRat> 3D graphics?   a buggy firefox 2.x?
[07:25] <luckyone> it will want KDE4.0
[07:25] <intelikey> luckyone why kde ?
[07:25] <sam__> SlackRat: I didnt suggest Fiesty for now, all i was saying is they could maybe wait for Fiesty to be ready before they do another Dapper->Edgy and later ->Fiesty which would cost them on support
[07:25] <SlackRat> the latest unproven kde? they need stability.....and you install and test kde 40 on a test box
[07:25] <SlackRat> for like two months
[07:25] <intelikey> business could do find with gnome
[07:25] <SlackRat> before chainloading them thruout the office
[07:26] <SlackRat> i didnt say you did, i said IF you did
[07:26] <sam__> intelikey: updates like KDE 3.5.6
[07:26] <SlackRat> theyre paying for support then dapper gives them bang for the buck
[07:26] <intelikey> again  why kde ?
[07:26] <Jucato> why the topic?
[07:26] <SlackRat> kde is closer to windows environment
[07:26] <intelikey> if kde is not fit for your use.  getting a later version is not the answer.
[07:26] <Jucato> #kubuntu is a channel for Kubuntu-related support questions. While offtopic discussions happen once in a while, it's highly advised to take them to #kubuntu-offtopic . Let's keep this channel clean, and try to liven up that other channel :D Hooray for offtopics and #kubuntu-offtopic !!!
[07:27] <luckyone> because Konqueror rocks so friggin hard
[07:27] <sam__> KDE is what they know & prefer also the third party apps ive done are KDE/Qt
[07:27] <SlackRat> erm......now we're being told that discussing kubuntu releases and kde are offtopic? damn this is like romper room
[07:27] <Jucato> and...
[07:27] <Jucato> For those asking about KDE 3.5.6 for Dapper: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-January/012932.html
[07:28] <intelikey> sam__ ^
[07:28] <SlackRat> so there is an upgrade to 3.5.6
[07:28] <Jucato> no there isn't
[07:28] <Jucato> that's the final word, in that link
[07:28] <SlackRat> oh, i should read the link, eh?
[07:29] <SlackRat> so, kde you install and upgrade at your own risk
[07:29] <intelikey> and that's not a "good" business platform.
[07:30] <SlackRat> if you wanna get all aesthetic about it, kde 4.0 may look like paradise, but businesses need the stabiility of a bloody 3.3 sarge desktop
[07:30] <sam__> intelikey: read the above link: and see my concierns
[07:30] <Jucato> there are still some KDE deployments using KDE 3.4
[07:30] <intelikey> SlackRat do i hear an echo in here ?
[07:30] <SlackRat> you realize, the support forums for ubuntu are what is going to trash it in the enterprise sector........
[07:30] <sam__> ..any telling me to  move to ubuntu wont work... we need to fix this..
[07:31] <SlackRat> true Jucato, sarge is 3.3 and theres no word on etch 4........
[07:31] <Jucato> SlackRat: you mean the free, use/community support forum, not meant for corporate/business support?
[07:31] <Jucato> user/community*
[07:31] <SlackRat> its very usable, but its not the home desktop cuttting edge test out new apps enviromnment most poeple use linux for
[07:32] <SlackRat> paritally, i mean that businesses considering a switch, know they can try it out without support, and see whats there.......and the free user commuity may be part o their experience............then, go and look at the open suse community, and the enterpirse version.......
[07:32] <Hasrat_USA> s there any Konversation user around here? i want to connect to a new server without having to disconnect freenode. how to do that?
[07:32] <SlackRat> i wouldnt be embarrassed to show my boss a suse forum
[07:33] <SlackRat> but theyre irc is out there.....heh
[07:33] <Jucato> Hasrat_USA: File -> Server List, add a new Server
[07:33] <sam__> jucato: its the  not so much about the KDE desktop as such, its the apps too..  Why shud i b stuck with bugs in Kontact when there updates available but just not for my Distro?
[07:33] <Hasrat_USA> Jucato: would doing so disconnect me, even for once, from freenode?
[07:34] <SlackRat> atm, you want to sell linux to enterprise, youre safer showing them suse
[07:34] <tom__> hi there, here is something for the experts: copying a file (700mb) on gnome desktop takes 1:30 min.,copying the same file on kde desktop takes 1:00 min.....what the hell is this??
[07:34] <Jucato> Hasrat_USA: nope. but if you want to be certain, ask in #konversation
[07:34] <SlackRat> and getting them to invest in SLED and MS interoperability
[07:34] <Hasrat_USA> a difference of 30 seconds and that's all the hell is all about tom
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> i wont talk about SuSE/Novell right now
[07:34] <intelikey> Hasrat_USA does /newserver    not work ?
[07:34] <Hasrat_USA> uh okay thanks jucato
[07:34] <SlackRat> me niether hitman., for many reasons
[07:35] <tom__> nice answer...
[07:35] <SlackRat> but its a point when discussing enterprise linux
[07:35] <Hasrat_USA> intelikey: i haven't tried anything yet. i'm too afraid to get disconnected from freenode
[07:35] <hitmanWilly> ugly but true
[07:35] <SlackRat> Hasrat...that was MY expert answer
[07:35] <Jucato> !offtopic
[07:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:35] <SlackRat> you beat me too it
[07:35] <SlackRat> jucato likes his !offtopic button
[07:36] <tom__> anything else from the experts?
[07:36] <Jucato> you don't know what I like
[07:36] <Hasrat_USA> SlackRat: um which one?
[07:36] <SlackRat> theres a consensus.......its a thirty second difference
[07:36] <SlackRat> your 30 sec expert analysis, lol
[07:36] <Hasrat_USA> oh duh
[07:36] <tom__> ok, just forget it.
[07:37] <RedWorm> tom__ kde and gnome use two totally diff app setups to transfer files
[07:37] <Jucato> sam__: because kde apps rely on kdelibs. if you upgrade kontact, you need to upgrade kdelibs, then you'll need to upgrade all other kde apps, effectively upgrading KDE.
[07:37] <SlackRat> different toolsets to build apps, different everything
[07:37] <RedWorm> tom__ diff file managers and the like, so they're bound to be slightly differnt
[07:38] <tom__> thanxs to RedWorm
 hi there, here is something for the experts: copying a file (700mb) on gnome desktop takes 1:30 min.,copying the same file on kde desktop takes 1:00 min.....what the hell is this?? <<<<  mmm 30 second differance.
[07:40] <intelikey> but you don't need an expert to answer that.
[07:42] <tom__> intelikey might go somewhere and think what this is about here
[07:43] <sam__> jucato: just my point thats why i had do do Edgy
[07:43] <sam__> anyway thanx for yo help...
[07:44] <infocrash> tom__ can you re-do your test and see if you get the same result?
[07:44] <T3hWiz0r1> Hello. I am ssh'd to a friends computer that keeps hanging when he goes to burn k3b mp3 CD's. He can terminate k3b but the drive stays with a blinknig activity light that cannot be umounted.
[07:44] <T3hWiz0r1> anyone have any ideas?
[07:46] <intelikey> what i'd like to know is why it's faster to do    dd if=/dev/zero of=file.img bs=1458176 count=1 ;mount -o loop file.img blah/ ;cp files.something blah/ ;dd if=file.img of=/dev/fd0       than it is to do this.   mount /dev/fd0 blah/ ;cp files.something blah/     ?
[07:47] <SlackRat> depends on which one might still be in comand history and recalled by hitting an arrow key
[07:48] <intelikey> T3hWiz0r1  ps ax      or   fuser -k   the device.     but that wont answer your question as to why.
[07:49] <T3hWiz0r1> intelikey: it just does that every time, trying to discover why
[07:49] <intelikey> SlackRat no not the time to write the command.   the time to write to disk.   i can dd the full disk image to disk three time while i trying to copy 700k file to the mounted disk
[07:49] <SlackRat> ah
[07:49] <SlackRat> one way to find out
[07:50] <intelikey> T3hWiz0r1 sounds like bad scsi emulation.
[07:50] <T3hWiz0r1> intelikey: so a k3b issue most likely?
[07:50] <intelikey> no  an scsi emulation error  is not k3b specific.    try another burning app.
[07:51] <intelikey> xcdroast maybe.
[07:51] <intelikey> if it hangs you out to dry also  it's far below the level of k3b
[07:51] <SlackRat> cdrecord?
[07:51] <intelikey> SlackRat didn't want to drop all the way to the command line yet.
[07:52] <T3hWiz0r1> i want to punch it in its face personally
[07:52] <SlackRat> heh, ok
[07:52] <SlackRat> well save that for later
[07:52] <T3hWiz0r1> lol... thats always the last step
[07:52] <intelikey> T3hWiz0r1   and check the logs.
[07:53] <T3hWiz0r1> for now im blasting justin timberlake at it... torture it first
[07:53] <pikafoop> I'm suddenly having GRUB issues on two machines that are dual-booting Kubuntu 6.10 and Windows XP.  Each gives me "Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" when I try to boot into Kubuntu, but Windows boots fine.  One machine is a desktop with two disks (WXP on hd0,0 and KUB on hd1,0), and the other is a laptop with one disk (WXP on hd0,1 and KUB on hd0,2).  Both were working fine yesterday an even earlier t
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> T3hWiz0r1, thats just inhumane
[07:53] <pikafoop> of the desktop.  Any experience with this?
[07:54] <SlackRat> intelikey: you mind if i pm you for a moment?
[07:55] <intelikey>            Both were working fine yesterday an even earlier t
 of the desktop.  Any experience with this?
[07:55] <intelikey> message turncated
[07:55] <T3hWiz0r1> hitmanWilly: justin timberlake?
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> T3hWiz0r1, yes, evil incarnate
[07:56] <SlackRat> IM....PM.......i forgot which one was leetist..... :p
[07:56] <pikafoop> Cliff's Notes:  Two dual-boot machines that were working fine earlier suddenly give me "Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" when I select Kubuntu in the GRUB menu.  Hilarity has thus far failed to ensue.  :)
[07:56] <intelikey> pikafoop not knowing the last of your first post.  i'll just assume it's not something that will change the answer.       did you do any partition resizing ?
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> T3hWiz0r1, but seriously, the drive might be dying
[07:57] <SlackRat> intel?
[07:57] <pikafoop> I did in the case of the laptop, but not in the case of the desktop, which is why I'm getting confused.
[07:57] <pikafoop> Desktop (let's start with that one) has always had WXP on hd0 and linux on hd1.
[07:57] <intelikey> well the error message would seem to indicate the partition is not readable by bios.
[07:58] <SlackRat> lol @ hilarity has thus far not ensued......
[07:58] <pikafoop> intelikey: that is certainly the text of the message, but unless I have two separate machines whose BIOSes are suddenly on strike, I'm finding that suspect.
[07:59] <pikafoop> As I mentioned, this is pretty sudden.
[07:59] <intelikey> SlackRat ask someone that's l337  not me.
[07:59] <SlackRat> sounds very likely
[07:59] <SlackRat> the question was, do you mind if i IM you a moment?
[08:00] <intelikey> pikafoop no.  on one you said you changed partitions.  that explains that one.   which one was that   ah the lappy.   now on the other...
[08:00] <pikafoop> Actually, on the lappy, I changed partitions a while ago, and it worked fine for a few days.
[08:00] <pikafoop> So it's also an all-of-a-sudden thing.
[08:00] <pikafoop> Hmm....
[08:00] <hitmanWilly> pikafoop, did XP have any updates download yesterday?
[08:01] <crazy_penguin> Good morning all! (P.S. It's morning here :))
[08:01] <pikafoop> hitmanWilly: it may have, although I'm not aware of any.
[08:01] <SlackRat> i guess thats a no, intel?
[08:01] <intelikey> ok wait.    rewinde.      lets start with the facts.   not what you did the third tuesday of last week.
[08:01] <pikafoop> hitmanWilly: that is a well-fair question.
[08:01] <SlackRat> morning , its morning here too
[08:02] <hitmanWilly> pikafoop, that seems to be the only linking thread here
[08:03] <hitmanWilly> pikafoop, unless Grub had a big update which I don't know of
[08:03] <pikafoop> OK, I'm going to start from XP's effects on my non-Windows partitions, if there are any, and work backwards.
[08:03] <intelikey> pikafoop partitions have changed.   find out why.    windows is suspect.    i don't do windows.
[08:03] <pikafoop> The #1 question was "are a lot of other people seeing this?" so I guess I have an answer for that.  Time to strap on ol' the hacker hat.  :)
[08:04] <intelikey> boot a linux cd and see if you can mount the root partition      reinstall grub.
[08:04] <intelikey> !grub
[08:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:04] <pikafoop> intelikey: good call; I'm actually already in progress
[08:04] <intelikey> first link   ^
[08:04] <pikafoop> intelikey: yep, I've played that game before.  :)
[08:05] <intelikey> ok hope you win this round.
[08:05] <intelikey> if you need us we
[08:05] <intelikey> we'll be here.
[08:05] <Solidad> whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[08:05] <intelikey> gnome & kde
[08:05] <SlackRat> ones gnome and kubuntu is kde desktop
[08:05] <pikafoop> intelikey: thanks!
[08:07] <intelikey> also a cause of grub errors may be antivirus software. system restore  and other "utilities" that xp has in it's trash can.     sorry i mean tool kit.
[08:07] <hitmanWilly> or maybe he got a virus?
[08:07] <pikafoop> intel/hitman:  Haw!  e2fsck says the last mount/write time for the root partition is in the future.  I think I see some Windows fingerprints here.
[08:08] <SlackRat> you might wanna system restore to a point in xp where it all worked on all the partiitons
[08:08] <intelikey> hitmanWilly almost covered under part 1 above.
[08:08] <SlackRat> oh, wait, the time is in the future tho....bleh
[08:08] <b0rt> pang it
[08:08] <hitmanWilly> pikafoop, wow, im shocked beyond belief!
[08:08] <pikafoop> :)
[08:09] <intelikey> SlackRat thats a clock change error.
[08:09] <b0rt> doing apt-get update after adding nvidia repo installed nvidia kernel 8776 instead of 9746, and now X isnt loading, how can i fix?
[08:09] <DrBlink> How do I stop xserver so I can update nvidia drivers
[08:10] <b0rt> ctrl + alt + bckspace
[08:10] <intelikey> cmos clock set to unix time   touch blah reboot to another os and try to touch blah with cmos clock set to local time  and you get that "too far in the future" error.
[08:10] <dftpnkezln> intelikey: sorry to bother you again but what does " http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_M6VA,Z70VA#Sensors " mean when it says i have to use those kernel settings? Still no luck in getting my sensors detected unfortunately
[08:10] <DrBlink> ctrl alt bkspace just restarts the kde
[08:10] <pikafoop> DrBlink: Are you using Gnome or KDE?
[08:10] <DrBlink> kde
[08:11] <b0rt> at login screen select console login
[08:11] <pikafoop> You'll want to stop kdm
[08:11] <intelikey> DrBlink sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[08:11] <DrBlink> ive been trying /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:12] <b0rt> doing apt-get update after adding nvidia repo installed nvidia kernel 8776 instead of 9746, and now X isnt loading, how can i fix?
[08:13] <pikafoop> DrBlink:  Are you doing that from Konsole, or from a TTY?
[08:14] <intelikey> dftpnkezln means the kernel must support "I2C device interface  +  I2C Hardware Bus support  +  Intel 82801(also i2c)   +   National Semiconductor LM85 and compatibles"   all of which should be modules in the ubuntu kernel.
[08:15] <DrBlink> ctrl alt f1 -> login / do cmd
[08:15] <pikafoop> OK.
[08:15] <dftpnkezln> intelikey: okay, ive modprobed the relevant i2c's but they're still not being detected - is there anything else i can do?
[08:15] <intelikey> dftpnkezln the kernel config lines there are for compiling the kernel.   is there not any documentation on that for a debian based distro... perferable ubuntu
[08:15] <DrBlink> then ubuntu logo shows up and screen goes back after that letting me type but its not reading any cmds
[08:15] <intelikey> !lm_sensors
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lm_sensors - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <intelikey> !lm-sensors
[08:16] <ubotu> lm-sensors: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. In component main, is extra. Version 1:2.10.0-7ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 479 kB, installed size 1472 kB
[08:16] <intelikey> package but no wiki page...
[08:16] <intelikey> dftpnkezln search the ubuntu wiki already ?
[08:16] <dftpnkezln> yeah, nothing that i can make sense of really
[08:17] <SlackRat> flaccid, you around?
[08:17] <intelikey> modprobe lm85
[08:17] <b0rt> how can i remove a nvidia kernel to install  9746?
[08:17] <pikafoop> DrBlink: Let me load up another box and try to replicate your situation.
[08:17] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt you have to rebuild your kerel
[08:17] <_3oo3_Homework> kernel
[08:18] <dftpnkezln> ok, when i type 'sensors' i get:
[08:18] <dftpnkezln> Can't access procfs/sysfs file
[08:18] <dftpnkezln> Unable to find i2c bus information;
[08:18] <DrBlink> pikafoop: alright
[08:18] <b0rt> _3oo3_Homework: could you explain how?
[08:18] <zzq> new soft
[08:18] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt:  if you sign an NDA.
[08:19] <intelikey> dftpnkezln do     lsmod    and pastebin the output.
[08:19] <b0rt> whats NDA?
[08:19] <intelikey> !paste | dftpnkezln
[08:19] <ubotu> dftpnkezln: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:19] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt:  its kind of like DMA
[08:19] <DrBlink> non disclosure agreement sp?
[08:20] <_3oo3_Homework> oh
[08:20] <_3oo3_Homework> yeah what he said
[08:20] <pikafoop> Don't yank his leg all the way off, just pull it a little.
[08:20] <b0rt> -_-U could you be more specific?
[08:20] <dftpnkezln> intelikey:  ok http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7459/
[08:20] <b0rt> i dont know about nda or dma, or what they stand for
[08:20] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt:  what operating system are you using, first of all?
[08:21] <b0rt> kubuntu amd64 edgy
[08:21] <_3oo3_Homework> hrm.  couldn't tell ya.
[08:21] <b0rt> nvidia 7300
[08:21] <_3oo3_Homework> ohh
[08:21] <_3oo3_Homework> yeah ok
[08:21] <_3oo3_Homework> I gotcha
[08:21] <_3oo3_Homework> hrm..thats a toughie
[08:21] <pikafoop> DrBlink:  When you have stopped kdm and get the Ubuntu screen, try hitting ALT+F1 to go back to your virtual TTY
[08:21] <intelikey> dftpnkezln i don't see i2c-bus  in the list   modprobe it.
[08:22] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt...ok...what EXACTLY are you wanting to do?  why do you want to change kernels?
[08:22] <b0rt> how though?
[08:22] <pikafoop> DrBlink:  When you're in X, it's CTRL+ALT+FN to get to a TTY, but only ALT+FN from outside of X.
[08:22] <dftpnkezln> FATAL: Module i2c_bus not found.
[08:22] <hitmanWilly> b0rt, how did you install the driver? apt-get?
[08:23] <b0rt> _3oo3_Homework: cant startx, api mismatch, kernel 8776 installed by accident
[08:23] <b0rt> yes apt-get
[08:23] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt:  type 'rmnvidia' as root in single user mode
[08:23] <_3oo3_Homework> that will revert the driver, and then you can uninstall the package
[08:23] <DrBlink> pikafoop: at kde login screen i logged into terminal - did the cmd kdm stop then went to tty1
[08:24] <b0rt> _3oo3_Homework: command not found
[08:24] <asaup> i have seen some kde effects. like a 3d desktop. what do i have to do to have them
[08:24] <asaup> ??
[08:24] <_3oo3_Homework> b0rt:  check your spelling
[08:24] <intelikey> dftpnkezln i2c-core
[08:24] <dftpnkezln> done
[08:24] <b0rt> checked, its "rm nvidia" together -> "rmnvidia" right?
[08:24] <_3oo3_Homework> yup
[08:24] <asaup> i have seen some kde effects. like a 3d desktop. what do i have to do to have them
[08:25] <intelikey> restart lm-sensors
[08:25] <b0rt> command not found
[08:25] <dftpnkezln> sorry, just from kde?
[08:25] <asaup> yes
[08:25] <asaup> i've seen a video
[08:26] <asaup> with a 3d desktop
[08:26] <asaup> i have seen some kde effects. like a 3d desktop. what do i have to do to have them
[08:26] <dftpnkezln> you're probably talking about compiz or beryl asaup
[08:26] <asaup> how can i find and install them
[08:26] <intelikey> dftpnkezln do you have the command        sensors-detect   ?
[08:26] <dftpnkezln> yep
[08:26] <hitmanWilly> !beryl | asaup
[08:26] <ubotu> asaup: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:26] <intelikey> run it
[08:27] <asaup> ok
[08:27] <asaup> thnx
[08:27] <asaup> !compiz
[08:27] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:27] <dftpnkezln> ok ran it, it doesnt detect any
[08:28] <dftpnkezln> if i select yes at 'Next adapter: PCA9564 ISA Adapter' it sits there for about 5 minutes then just moves onto the next one
[08:28] <dftpnkezln> but doesnt detect anything
[08:28] <intelikey> dftpnkezln hmmm.   i'm with you.    i don't know "from that howto" what we are missing.
[08:29] <dftpnkezln> i blame asus
[08:29] <dftpnkezln> thanks for your help anyway
[08:30] <intelikey> who wrote this anyway...     kernel ACPI daemon, kacpid, is taking up huge amounts of CPU time, then
[08:30] <intelikey>    load /etc/sensors.conf, and look for the section that begins
[08:30] <[andrewr] > Hi
[08:30] <intelikey> load a text file and edit it....     shesh
[08:31] <[andrewr] > I have kubuntu running in tightvnc in colinux
[08:31] <[andrewr] > pretty nifty
[08:31] <[andrewr] > unfortunately when I try to start fluxbox I get this: http://pastie.caboo.se/42810
[08:32] <[andrewr] > not much info googling it, most common answer is 'check that there's not a window manager already running'
[08:32] <[andrewr] > well, colinux doesn't support x natively.. so I don't think that's it plus I looked in ps aux
[08:34] <intelikey> [andrewr]  scroll up and see what the first error is
[08:35] <intelikey> [andrewr]  or  command 2>&1 | less
[08:36] <[andrewr] > I think I got the first error, my pastie has me running fluxbox ..
[08:36] <[andrewr] > I just got an idea, in the init file there is session.screen0. ... on most of those lines
[08:36] <[andrewr] > and I'm using vnc on :1
[08:38] <intelikey> oh wait.   you are calling that from a console.   you'll have to connect it to an xserver somewhere
[08:39] <[andrewr] > I don't follow..
[08:39] <intelikey> is x running on the remote box ?
[08:39] <[andrewr] > no, tightvncserver is
[08:39] <intelikey> is x running on the local box ?
[08:39] <[andrewr] > I'm in colinux remember
[08:40] <[andrewr] > I'm running tightvncserver on the colinux, and ultravnc client in windows
[08:40] <[andrewr] > it's basically X
[08:40] <hitmanWilly> !colinux
[08:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about colinux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <[andrewr] > colinux is a port of the kernel to windows
[08:41] <[andrewr] > I'm using it cause it's faster and smaller than vmware
[08:41] <intelikey> ok.   hmmm     well...   hmmmm.
[08:41] <intelikey> hmmm
[08:41] <intelikey> i said that already didn't i.
[08:42] <[andrewr] > heh
[08:42] <intelikey> i still think you'll have to tell it how to connect flux to the display
[08:42] <[andrewr] > I expected it to just start in the display it's in
[08:42] <intelikey> fluxbox --display :1   or something
[08:43] <intelikey> it doesn't know that the display it's in is not a console.
[08:43] <[andrewr] > hmm
[08:43] <calcmandan> Anyone know when ardour2 is slated for 6.06?
[08:43] <[andrewr] > more specifically I thought it would use $DISPLAY
[08:43] <intelikey> is $DISPLAY  set ?
[08:43] <intelikey> in th evnc window echo $DISPLAY
[08:44] <[andrewr] > andrewr@andrewr-laptop:/etc/X11/fluxbox$ echo $DISPLAY
[08:44] <[andrewr] > :1.0
[08:44] <[andrewr] > odd, looks like init is still using screen0 even though I changed it
[08:45] <[andrewr] > I changed both ~/.fluxbox/init and /etc/X11/fluxbox/init
[08:45] <[andrewr] > I would use kde but it took forever to start
[08:45] <[andrewr] > actually, it never did start fully, it had the background but that's about it
[08:45] <[andrewr] > possibly a similar problem
[08:46] <intelikey> doubt it.
[08:49] <Kite_DH> how can i check what extensions i got??
[08:51] <pikafoop> CONFIRMED:  Windows seems to have been involved.  Reinstalling grub as per your instructions has sorted it.
[08:51] <intelikey> Kite_DH  extention to what ?
[08:51] <pikafoop> (at least on the desktop -- moving to the laptop now.)
[08:51] <[andrewr] > fluxbox -display :1 gives same thing :(
[08:52] <intelikey> pikafoop when all other suspects are eliminated. what ever is left no matter how rediculess  must be the cause.
[08:52] <Kite_DH> file extenstions
[08:52] <Kite_DH> all file-extensions my pc supports
[08:52] <Kite_DH> can i watch them up somewhere?
[08:52] <pikafoop> intelikey: And in the realm of the ridiculous, Windows is king.
[08:52] <intelikey> Kite_DH your linux system doesn't support any extentions.
[08:52] <intelikey> linux doesn't use file extentions
[08:53] <intelikey> pikafoop agreed.
[08:53] <Kite_DH> intelikey: i mean things like .jpg .gif etc, isnt that called extension?
[08:54] <Lynoure> Kite_DH: Yes, but on linux they are there for you, the software shows your images mostly fine with any extension
[08:54] <intelikey> those are part of a file name.  but have nothing to do with how linux treets a file.      echo blah > file.jpg  and see what it does.
[08:54] <Kite_DH> hmm, so i cant look at what filetypes are on my comp?
[08:54] <Kite_DH> ok
[08:55] <intelikey> some apps on the other hand may use filenames to guess at some file formats.
[08:55] <Kite_DH> yes
[08:55] <Kite_DH> hmm
[08:55] <intelikey> to see what "mime" types are used by a given app   look in the apps configuration.
[08:56] <intelikey> Kite_DH but the short answer  (after the lesson)  is, all free formats are supported.  and some propritary ones.
[08:57] <DrBlink> ever since i enabled wifi on this laptop - boot up takes forever...anyone know why?
[08:57] <jahi> how i update kde 3.5.5 to 3.5.6
[08:57] <_3oo3_Homework> is adduser disabled by default in kubuntu?!
[08:58] <intelikey> ok guys.  i'm went.  have a really good one.   and remember to look up from time to time.
[08:58] <lotusleaf> _3oo3_Homework: did you try using sudo?
[08:59] <Kite_DH> found it
[08:59] <jordo23> Does anyone know how I can record my desktop to video under kubuntu?
[08:59] <Kite_DH> konqueror > preferences
[08:59] <lotusleaf> !istanbul > jordo23
[09:00] <lotusleaf> jahi: add the repo for it @ kubuntu.org if you're using Edgy
[09:01] <jordo23> lotusleaf: I have this installed.....but am trying to get it to work.....I have it as a menu entry under kicker, but nothing happens when I click the entry....
[09:01] <lotusleaf> jordo23: nothing appears at the right hand bottom corner of your screen?
[09:01] <lotusleaf> it should show a button in your panel
[09:01] <jahi> hmm...how i add repo in kubuntu
[09:02] <lotusleaf> jahi: instructions @ kubuntu.org
[09:02] <jordo23> lotusleaf: Nope....nothing.....and when started no process shows in KsySguard
[09:02] <lotusleaf> jahi: add it to your sources.list file
[09:02] <jordo23> lotusleaf: Is this a GTK dependent package?
[09:02] <lotusleaf> jordo23: probably ;)
[09:02] <lotusleaf> jordo23: but then, I have gnome installed too ;)
[09:02] <jordo23> lotusleaf: I installed it through adept....with dependencies....
[09:03] <pirothezero> so got a problem that recently started, my power down monitor time keeps changing from what i want it to be at to 3 hours pretty much every day after i turn it back to what i want it to be, any ideas?
[09:03] <lotusleaf> jordo23: try #ubuntu
[09:04] <jordo23> ok....thanks
[09:04] <lotusleaf> jordo23: there are other programs as well
[09:04] <jordo23> lotusleaf: Do you run Beryl?
[09:04] <lotusleaf> jordo23: I'm not familiar with them though
[09:04] <lotusleaf> jordo23: no, I do not run Beryl, for Beryl q/a try #ubuntu-xgl and #beryl
[09:05] <pirothezero> NM its a bug found the fix/workaround
[09:07] <jahi> i dont know what repo i should add..
[09:07] <lotusleaf> jahi: one sec
[09:08] <lotusleaf> jahi: are you running Edgy?
[09:08] <jahi> yes
[09:08] <lotusleaf> jahi: and you have the previous version of kubuntu already installed?
[09:09] <lotusleaf> jahi: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[09:09] <jahi> no..i installed this edgy on cd
[09:09] <lotusleaf> so you don't have KDE, you have Gnome?
[09:09] <jahi> i have kde
[09:09] <jahi> i have kubuntu cd :)
[09:10] <lotusleaf> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list and add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main
[09:10] <lotusleaf> then type ":w" without quotes followed by ":q" without quotes
[09:10] <lotusleaf> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:11] <lotusleaf> pressing Enter after the :w and after the :q
[09:12] <lotusleaf> you add the "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main" without quotes to a blank line in that sources.list file
[09:13] <lotusleaf> the :w writes the file after you add it and the :q quits after you've edited and saved it
[09:17] <cpk1> you can do :wq too =P
[09:17] <jahi> hmm
[09:18] <jahi> how i save that..i didnt understand
[09:19] <] [andrewr> lost net there
[09:29] <spawn57> have any of you gotten lirc working in edgy?
[09:30] <alex__> ciao
[09:35] <asaup> can someone explain to me how to get synaptic
[09:35] <asaup> i have a problem
[09:35] <asaup> with the repositories
[09:35] <Lynoure> Why do you want synaptic? There is adept...
[09:35] <asaup> i dont understand
[09:35] <asaup> very well
[09:35] <asaup> adept
[09:36] <asaup> dont know to use it
[09:36] <asaup> how can i repair my repositories
[09:37] <asaup> hellooooooooooo
[09:37] <asaup> plz
[09:37] <asaup> how can i repair my repositories
[09:39] <asaup> plz
[09:39] <asaup> how can i repair my repositories
[09:39] <asaup> ??
[09:39] <asaup> help me
[09:40] <Lynoure> asaup: Repair? Please describe your problem.
[09:41] <posingaspopular> asaup: you don't want to spam, but im sure someone will help you
[09:41] <asaup> the problem is that i trie tu update
[09:41] <asaup> by the adept
[09:41] <Lynoure> asaup: if remote repositories are not responding, it's not alway a problem on your system.
[09:41] <Lynoure> s/alway/always
[09:42] <asaup> but how can i get synaptic
[09:42] <Lynoure> If you get an error message, telling about it helps.
[09:42] <Lynoure> asaup: If you cannot update, you might not be able to. Depending on what is wrong.
[09:43] <asaup> when i try
[09:43] <asaup> it says waiting for headers and stays there
[09:43] <asaup> doesnt moves
[09:43] <Lynoure> asaup: THis has been from the very start or recently? Is the machine connected to the net successfully?
[09:44] <Lynoure> asaup: What happens if you do  sudo apt-get update   on command line?
[09:44] <asaup> stays in 0%
[09:45] <Lynoure> asaup: then pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:45] <asaup> i installed kubuntu 5 min ago . i think its a problem that is a fresh copy.the connection to internet is ok because now i'm using
[09:45] <asaup> it
[09:45] <asaup> in kubuntu
[09:46] <Lynoure> !enter
[09:46] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:49] <asaup> ok i opened my apt/sources.list
[09:49] <asaup> now what do i have to do on it
[09:53] <illriginal> anyone know if there's such thing as a myspace irc channel.... tryin to get my hands on a good tracker.
[09:57] <asaup> help
[09:58] <asaup> !help
[09:58] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:58] <lotusleaf> asaup: what is the question again please?
[09:58] <asaup> i have a problem with adept
[09:59] <lotusleaf> oh, well I use Synaptic in Kubuntu :)
[09:59] <asaup> thats what im asking
[09:59] <asaup> how to get synaptic and install it
[09:59] <lotusleaf> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:59] <asaup> be:D
[10:00] <asaup> i know
[10:00] <asaup> but says
[10:01] <lotusleaf> asaup: have you installed Synaptic?
[10:01] <asaup> no
[10:01] <lotusleaf> what does it say when you try at the command line?
[10:01] <asaup> i have a problem with the repositories
[10:01] <lotusleaf> please explain
[10:02] <asaup> Reading state information DONE
[10:02] <asaup> Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:02] <asaup> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:02] <asaup> is only available from another source
[10:02] <lotusleaf> do you have ubuntu.com repos in your sources.list file?
[10:03] <asaup> yes
[10:03] <lotusleaf> and you tried installing it from the command line with adept not running at the same time?
[10:03] <dsmith> whats the scroll bar called for karamba?
[10:03] <asaup> yes
[10:03] <lotusleaf> asaup: hmm... no clue, you could try asking in #ubuntu
[10:03] <lotusleaf> asaup: unless someone else here is awake and can help you ;)
[10:04] <asaup> ok:D
[10:04] <dsmith> im awake
[10:04] <dsmith> :P
[10:04] <lotusleaf> there you go ;)
[10:04] <asaup> ok
[10:04] <dsmith> whats wrong
[10:04] <lotusleaf> dsmith: he's trying to install Synaptic in Kubuntu
[10:04] <dsmith> oh
[10:04] <dsmith> ummm
[10:04] <dsmith> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[10:04] <dsmith> I think
[10:04] <lotusleaf> dsmith: but it gives an error saying it's not available
[10:04] <lotusleaf> ya
[10:04] <lotusleaf> he tried that
[10:04] <dsmith> did you update your repositories?
[10:05] <dsmith> thats odd
[10:05] <lotusleaf> asaup: try sudo apt-get update then try again
[10:05] <asaup> how can i update them
[10:05] <dsmith> kubuntu?
[10:05] <dsmith> goto /etc/apt
[10:05] <lotusleaf> dsmith: yes he said he is running Kubuntu
[10:05] <dsmith> one sec
[10:05] <dsmith> I will help u
[10:06] <lotusleaf> dsmith: unless, of course, it's simpler to resolve whatever problem he was having with Adept, I don't use Adept so I recommended Synaptic to him ;)
[10:06] <dsmith> navigate to /etc/apt
[10:06] <dsmith> right click on sources.list
[10:07] <dsmith> click actions
[10:07] <dsmith> edit as root
[10:07] <dsmith> input your sudo passwod
[10:07] <dsmith> *password
[10:07] <dsmith> have you tried searching in adept?
[10:07] <asaup> yes
[10:07] <dsmith> I have used both
[10:07] <asaup> it doesnt show up anything
[10:07] <dsmith> onesec
[10:08] <mil> such a learning experience... got video drivers installed  with latest... got wifi installed and working all in my first day with linux
[10:09] <dsmith> asaup: synaptic is in there
[10:09] <lotusleaf> mil isn't it nice to feed your head? :)
[10:09] <dsmith> and its installd on my machine
[10:09] <dsmith> sounds to me you should update your repositories
[10:09] <asaup> yes. how can i update
[10:09] <mil> still have to learn 'samba' and how to do a verbose startup so i can see whats slowing my bootup so badly (gets stuck on 4th bar)
[10:10] <dsmith> you add them manually
[10:10] <dsmith> gedit or nano
[10:10] <mil> i thought gedit came with edge
[10:11] <asaup> nano works
[10:11] <asaup> then ?
[10:11] <lotusleaf> mil it does
[10:11] <dsmith> one sec
[10:11] <lotusleaf> vim rules
[10:11] <Kite_DH> K.U.B.U.N.T.U.: Kinetic Upgraded Being Used for Nocturnal Troubleshooting and Utility
[10:11] <Kite_DH> :DD
[10:11] <Kite_DH> ll...
[10:12] <mil> its not installed - jus checked adept
[10:12] <mil> so i had alot of fun pressing every key after using vim - and trying to get outta 'recording'
[10:13] <lotusleaf> mil #vim is your friend ;)
[10:13] <dsmith> asaup: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#extrarepositories
[10:13] <dsmith> you need to add universe
[10:13] <lotusleaf> mil ah but gedit does come with edgy, ubuntu edgy :)
[10:13] <dsmith> daper or edgy?
[10:14] <MrCr4cK> excuse me, there is a way to improve the Kubuntu charset?
[10:14] <mil> kubuntu edgy bla
[10:14] <dsmith> blaaaa wassiup!!
[10:14] <lotusleaf> MrCr4cK: like this? 
[10:15] <MrCr4cK> no, i mean to make the char more readable..
[10:16] <lotusleaf> !fonts > MrCr4cK
[10:16] <dsmith> asaup: goto ubuntulite
[10:17] <DrBlink> lotusleaf: whats grub?
[10:17] <MrCr4cK> i thank you, lotusleaf!
[10:17] <lotusleaf> MrCr4cK: yw
[10:17] <lotusleaf> !grub | DrBlink
[10:17] <ubotu> DrBlink: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:17] <dsmith> asaup: goto ubuntulite so I can help u
[10:18] <asaup> ok
[10:18] <pirothezero>  so if i am on kubuntu, and i want to try out gnome and xfce, what do i have to do, dont really want to run a burn and install
[10:18] <lotusleaf> pirothezero: you can install ubuntu-desktop and xfce-desktop
[10:18] <lotusleaf> pirothezero: you can install several window managers too like fluxbox, openbox, icewm, etc. and logout and login to different ones
[10:19] <pirothezero> alright word
[10:19] <pirothezero> those two packages is all i need?
[10:19] <lotusleaf> pirothezero: you don't have to reinstall seperate ones, you can switch between several desktop envrionments and window managers ;)
[10:19] <lotusleaf> pirothezero: for gnome and xfce, yes, and then you can chat up for support in #ubuntu and #xubuntu
[10:20] <pirothezero> already started ;>
[10:20] <pirothezero> thanks
[10:20] <lotusleaf> pirothezero: yw
[10:20] <pirothezero> how are display settings handled? like i am running dual portrait mode widescreens think that'd be problem free/?
[10:25] <bfdhud> Anyone have a recent link to installing Compiz on KDE with Nvidia 9 series drivers?
[10:25] <bfdhud> Kubuntu forums is down
[10:26] <thomax_> bfdhud: yeah whays up with that
[10:26] <thomax_> is down for more than 12 hours now
[10:27] <bfdhud> no Idea, their site said down for a few minutes. I have been waiting. But I would like to get compiz installed so I can play
[10:27] <thomax_> :)
[10:27] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: #ubuntu-xgl
[10:27] <bfdhud> Thanks lotusleaf
[10:27] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: compiz's site also has user forums, and there's also ubuntuforums.org ;)
[10:27] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: yw
[10:28] <jean-b> hello
[10:28] <jean-b> need help to run apollon
[10:28] <bfdhud> I searched on ubuntu forums but you have to wade through so much stuff
[10:29] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: indeed, there's also an ubuntu subforum on linuxquestions.org and a linux section on the arstechnica.com forums, ask on all three ;)
[10:29] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: ubuntuforums posts in general help should get you a quick response
[10:30] <lotusleaf> bfdhud: also ask in #ubuntu ;)
[10:36] <jean-b> how to install apollon?
[10:36] <posingaspopular> jean-b: sudo apt-get install apollon?
[10:37] <posingaspopular> im not too sure what that is
[10:38] <jean-b> sudo apt-get install apolon gift
[10:38] <jean-b> but it needs specific config
[10:38] <jean-b> do you know how to config it?
[10:39] <posingaspopular> no sorry, maybe Jucato knows, he is on top of everything in this chan
[10:41] <posingaspopular> jean-b: ask chris, he knows everything too
[10:52] <ScarFreewill> whats the command to show the fps with glxgears?
[10:55] <jott_> ScarFreewill: -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark ;)
[10:56] <ScarFreewill> what up with that?
[10:57] <Telex4> I've just installed feisty on a spare machine and, despite having wpasupplicant installed, knetworkmanager doesn't show any WPA options... any ideas?
[10:57] <jott_> ScarFreewill: that will show the fps for glxgears .. (you could also use -printfps)
[10:57] <Alzi2> Hey. My Kubuntu machine (my main machine) has become really slow after a few months and is there any way to speed it up? i mean the boot, the menu's, the videocard rendering...
[10:57] <ScarFreewill> lol i though you made a joke jott_
[10:58] <Alzi2> Anyone?
[10:59] <Telex4> Alzi2: have you checked you haven't updated packages and are now using a different video driver? looked at the process table in the KDE System Guard for rogue applications?
[10:59] <atidem> hello
[10:59] <jott_> ScarFreewill: http://globs.sourceforge.net/ is at least better than glxgears but still not a real benchmark ;)
[10:59] <Alzi2> how to start the KDE system guard?
[10:59] <Telex4> ctrl+esc
[10:59] <Alzi2> i haven't updated a long time, yes.
[11:00] <Alzi2> How to find rogue processes?
[11:00] <Telex4> sort by cpu/memory and look for apps taking up a lot
[11:01] <Alzi2> nspluginviewer is going crazy
[11:01] <ScarFreewill> jott_: thx
[11:01] <Alzi2> and operapluginwrap
[11:01] <Telex4> ok, try quitting opera and see if that is causing the problem
[11:01] <Telex4> use konqueror / firefox for a bit
[11:02] <Telex4> nspluginviewer loads plugins like flash, I remember having problems with that a few years ago
[11:02] <Skuller> me/ wonders what is so good about konqi
[11:02] <Skuller> me\ wonders what is so good about konqi
[11:02] <Skuller> yay..lol
[11:02] <Telex4> :) what's wrong with it?
[11:03] <Skuller> no i mean what are its awesome features?/
[11:03] <Telex4> best CSS support, fast UI, integrates well with other KDE applications
[11:04] <heinkel_111> integration of just about everything in a single intreface
[11:04] <Skuller> hmm...i guess i havent used it so extensively yet to figure those out
[11:04] <heinkel_111> the kioslaves, tried tose?
[11:04] <heinkel_111> like fish:
[11:05] <heinkel_111> and too many others to mention?
[11:05] <heinkel_111> it is nice :)
[11:05] <Kite_DH> ....
[11:08] <ih57452> Skuller: Gaim says niven.freenode.net (Corvallis, OR, US)
[11:09] <Skuller> ih57452: hmm...well i get a lag of 259
[11:09] <ih57452> don't complain about lag - I'm on satellite internet with avg. ping of 800
[11:09] <Skuller> lol thas like the lowest ping i can get while playing any game online....damned lack of game servers in fiji
[11:10] <jott> Skuller: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[11:10] <Skuller> ih57452: ohh...lol...k thas a lot
[11:11] <Kite_DH> Skuller:
[11:11] <ss> !beryl
[11:11] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:12] <Skuller> hmm...interestin list of servers...altho lag doesnt reali matter in chat........so nm
[11:12] <Skuller> !ubotu | ubotu
[11:12] <ubotu> ubotu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:13] <clau> i get an "Dist-upgrade failed: 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'" when trying to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[11:13] <clau> any way to resolve this?
[11:14] <Skuller> no offence..but isnt a fresh install of edgy a better thing to do?
[11:14] <anything> hi in kubuntu the open office, how to do a spell check? i pressed F7 seems like it doesn't detect any spelling errors
[11:16] <mngrif> my workstation (6.10) is having some slight.. issues with mounting a filesystem over nfs. the server is netbsd 3.1
[11:16] <ScarFreewill> it would have been funny if you could've made the bot speak/reply to him self and go into a loop :P
[11:16] <mngrif> is there any known issues with that kind of a setup?
[11:17] <uops> =)
[11:18] <anything> helpppppppp my openoffice doesn't spell check
[11:19] <ScarFreewill> i can't run amarok or kaffiene, maybe something is using some sound manager how can i see?
[11:20] <anything> how do i upgrade the spell check or something?
[11:20] <jott> mngrif: make sure you select the right nfs version and transport (udp/tcp) as a first idea ...
[11:20] <ss> ScarFreewill: you can try 'lsof /dev/dsp' or something like that
[11:21] <mngrif> jott: select it where, exactly?
[11:22] <mngrif> the filesystem mounts, but ls gives an I/O error (can paste)
[11:22] <jott> mngrif: ok pastebin the error..
[11:22] <mngrif> it's one line
[11:22] <mngrif> ls: reading directory /home-thc: Input/output error
[11:23] <jott> mngrif: maybe check the logs for more errors ...
[11:23] <mngrif> google only confirms there's a problem and i'm not alone with it :P
[11:23] <mngrif> nothing's there
[11:23] <mngrif> wait, onsec
[11:23] <mngrif> Feb 25 04:41:18 dxm kernel: [36636.505212]  portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out
[11:23] <jott> hm yes i can remember something with netbsd 2.x but it finally worked for me :p
[11:23] <mngrif> Feb 25 04:41:18 dxm kernel: [36636.505257]  RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5)
[11:24] <jott> so you should run portmap ;)
[11:24] <mngrif> that's the client
[11:24] <mngrif> up until an hour or two ago the server ran kubuntu as well
[11:24] <mngrif> it also hosted the share
[11:24] <mngrif> so this client isn't a new client
[11:24] <ScarFreewill> ss: it out puts nothing...
[11:24] <ScarFreewill> !ping
[11:24] <ubotu> pong
[11:26] <ss> ScarFreewill: is artsd running and make a test sound?
[11:26] <mngrif> jott: portmap is running btw :)
[11:26] <jott> mngrif: http://wiki.netbsd.se/index.php/How_to_set_up_NFS_and_NIS have you checked this? make sure nfs is setup correct on the netbsd box..
[11:27] <mngrif> *reads*
[11:27] <jott> mngrif: at least i can still mount a nfs share from a netbsd 2.1 box ;)
[11:28] <mngrif> up until now i've been using netbsd on a mac68k machine for shell accounts
[11:28] <ScarFreewill> ss: it out puts nothing...
[11:28] <ScarFreewill> !ping
[11:28] <ubotu> pong
[11:28] <jott> mngrif: in particular check if the services are running (rpcbind/mountd/nfsd/nfslocking) on netbsd
[11:28] <jott> and that the ports are opened by ipf..
[11:29] <mngrif> rpc.lockd?
[11:29] <mngrif> and i'm not using ipf or pf or ____
[11:29] <mngrif> this server isn't internet addressable
[11:30] <ScarFreewill> !artsd
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about artsd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <ss> ScarFreewill: did it do anything
[11:30] <ScarFreewill> !info artsd
[11:30] <ubotu> Package artsd does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:31] <ScarFreewill> ss: i've not restated 'm still uodating amarok 9/15mb...
[11:31] <ScarFreewill> not that i think its amarok's fualt but hey...
[11:31] <ss> i regularly have a problem with aRts
[11:32] <ScarFreewill> do you think its ok if i kill it
[11:32] <ss> yep
[11:32] <mngrif> kubuntu is the only thing so far that arts hasn't given me problems
[11:32] <ScarFreewill> Sound server fatal error:    Error while initializing the sound driver:          device: default can't be opened for playback (Operation not permitted)
[11:33] <ScarFreewill> at lest it told me some thing :P
[11:33] <ScarFreewill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7469/
[11:34] <ss> ScarFreewill: so restarting arts gives that error?
[11:34] <jott> mngrif: so are all services running? as i said you might have to check the nfs version used (eg. mount -o nfsvers=2 ...)
[11:40] <mngrif> jott: THANK YOU!
[11:40] <mngrif> *dances*
[11:41] <jott> mngrif: so what was the trick?! ;)
[11:41] <mngrif> mount -o nfsvers=2
[11:41] <jott> i see ;)
[11:41] <mngrif> *writes that down*
[11:41] <mngrif> thanks again
[11:41] <jott> np
[11:44] <flaccid> is there like an ~/.xinitrc or something for individual user xorg.conf ?
[11:50] <Alzi2> How to change the resolution in Kubuntu?
[11:50] <posingaspopular> !x
[11:50] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:51] <posingaspopular> Alzi2: that should do it
[11:51] <gabor> Is anybody looking for software developers?
[11:53] <Alzi2> thanks :)
[11:57] <piquadrat> Hi! Is there some setting for the automounter that it doesn't mount vfat partitions with utf8 charset? utf8 causes all sort of case-sensitive problems...
[11:58] <Alzi2> posingaspopular: Nah, i meant, how to set the resolution temporarily?
[11:58] <posingaspopular> hmm thats weird, ive never heard that question
[11:58] <posingaspopular> no clue man
[11:59] <heinkel_111> is kubuntuforums.net
[11:59] <gugu^> Please HELP, my keyboard is not working well in GUI, it work if i press  longer on that key hat i need,
[11:59] <heinkel_111> dead?
[11:59] <heinkel_111> is kubuntuforums.net dead?
[12:00] <posingaspopular> heinkel_111: its down
[12:01] <heinkel_111> yes I can see that, but it looks like it has been shut down and abandoned?
[12:01] <gugu^> Please HELP, my keyboard is not working well in GUI, it work if i press  longer on that key what i need,
[12:02] <Lynoure> Alzi2: there are sliders in the System Settings
[12:02] <heinkel_111> gugu^:  are you sure your computer runs ok with the gui?
[12:02] <heinkel_111> check in top if no process run at near 100%
[12:03] <gugu^> heinkel_111: my comp was working well in Grafik mode yesterday well,] 
[12:04] <heinkel_111> that is no guarantee, as thing could have gone wrong today :)
[12:04] <gugu^> heinkel_111:it wroks a week before today very well
[12:04] <RickSeymour> Question: I've clicked "do not ask me again" when in Konqueror for VCS (Calendar) files.... trying to get them to automatically merge with the default calendar
[12:05] <RickSeymour> How can i have Konqueror ask me again?
[12:05] <heinkel_111> gugu^: still does not help if you broke something today!
[12:06] <gugu^> heinkel_111: if i put the live CD the keyboard is working
[12:06] <heinkel_111> gugu^:  go to konsole and write top
[12:06] <waylandbill> gugu^: did you change something in the keyboard settings?
[12:07] <gugu^> waylandbill: this is my internet cafe, and here at all computers is runing kubuntu
[12:07] <gugu^> waylandbill: maybe somebady change somethik
[12:07] <waylandbill> perhaps
[12:07] <Mena> what is demux in amrok
[12:08] <Mena> !!?? :)
[12:08] <gugu^> waylandbill: can i reinstal keyboard, or do something
[12:08] <Mena> And where to find its plugin i cant play .ram files with it
[12:09] <acid_phyre> can someone tell me if its ok to load a ubuntu 6.10 source list to kde?
[12:09] <gugu^> waylandbill: the key works if i press that key longer
[12:09] <Mena> !demux
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about demux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <Mena> !amrok-plugin
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amrok-plugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <Mena> !amrok-plugins
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amrok-plugins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <Mena> !amrok
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amrok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <Mena> !amarok
[12:10] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[12:10] <heinkel_111> !amarok > Mena
[12:10] <heinkel_111> !amarok-plugins > Mena
[12:11] <Mena> Nothing about plugins...thanks heinkel_111 :)
[12:14] <hades> hi guys
[12:14] <hades> does anybody tryed to install cedega from the packages ?
[12:14] <hades> does it work ?
[12:15] <hades> ive got a laptop fsiemiens amilo and i wish i can be able to play some old games
[12:15] <hades> ?
[12:15] <nabeel> how can i install gambass on kubuntu
[12:15] <nabeel> how can i install gambass on kubuntu????
[12:15] <posingaspopular> gambass is what?
[12:16] <posingaspopular> an application, a firefox plugin..?
[12:17] <piquadrat> Is it possible to disable Kubuntu's automounter?
[12:19] <thekidrio> anyone know the latest and greatest on ATI install? ( I have  the x1900 model)
[12:19] <thekidrio> !ati
[12:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:19] <posingaspopular> nabeel: im goign to have to say sudo apt-get install gambass
[12:19] <posingaspopular> but i duno what gambass is
[12:20] <ScarFreewill> how do i unlock apt (if run adept then it tells me the apt is lock/busy but its not)
[12:20] <thekidrio> do you have an install program open somewhere else?
[12:20] <thekidrio> if not then killall -9 apt should work
[12:20] <thekidrio> err sudo killall -9 apt
[12:21] <ScarFreewill> no, i don't...
[12:21] <thekidrio> try that last command in a terminal
[12:21] <ScarFreewill> sudo killall -9 apt
[12:21] <ScarFreewill> apt: no process killed
[12:21] <thekidrio> hrmm
[12:21] <thekidrio> still says locked?
[12:21] <ScarFreewill> You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[12:21] <thekidrio> might be a lock file then
[12:22] <ScarFreewill> thats what adept says
[12:22] <Ayabara> I need to recursively rename some directories (both files an subdirs). I want to rename to lowercase and substitute spaces with underscores. what is the best/easiest way to do this. I can't find a way to make krename rename directories
[12:22] <thekidrio> try the same kill with adept
[12:22] <ScarFreewill> ok
[12:22] <thekidrio> Ayabara: i would use a bash script or a perl script i think
[12:23] <ScarFreewill> adept_manager right?
[12:23] <thekidrio> if that does not work ScarFreewill, them do a ps aux | more and look for any program that might be ussing it
[12:23] <thekidrio> i am not 100% sure ScarFreewill, i use apt mostly hehe
[12:23] <nabeel> yes gambas is vb like programming language, i used it on ubuntu, but now want to use on kubuntu
[12:23] <Ayabara> thekidrio, then I gotta learn (perl) scripting first :-)
[12:23] <DaphBobo> i can't find "bluez-utils" file.. though i have it installed
[12:24] <thekidrio> Ayabara: look for bash scripts, i bet someone else has done the foot work
[12:24] <thekidrio> and probably a perl one too
[12:25] <ScarFreewill> thekidrio: yeah i think i should do that too...
[12:25] <thekidrio> you can always cheat and restart haha
[12:25] <ScarFreewill> thekidrio: adpet just browses easier though avalibe pkgs...
[12:25] <ScarFreewill> yeah
[12:25] <ScarFreewill> i'm going to do that
[12:25] <ScarFreewill> lol
[12:26] <dftpnkezln> ey all
[12:26] <dftpnkezln> how do i access 'Sleep States' / 'acpi config' in KDE?
[12:27] <ScarFreewill> not yet restated
[12:27] <ScarFreewill> root     10586  0.2  5.6  61820 58064 tty7     SLs+ 01:33   1:35 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-tJz8hY what this?
[12:28] <luca> hi everyone
[12:28] <soa2ii> hello
[12:29] <luca> can someone tell me which is the wine support channel?
[12:29] <luca> thanks :)
[12:29] <ScarFreewill> #wine
[12:29] <ScarFreewill> i guess
[12:29] <ScarFreewill> or #winehq
[12:29] <luca> thanks :)
[12:30] <ScarFreewill> no prob
[12:30] <soa2ii> i installed kubuntu alternate as a command line system and set up a minimal kde system... what package do i need for flash support in konqueror? flashplugin-nonfree does not work because of download problems
[12:31] <RickSeymour> How can i get back the "Save as" dialog in Konqueror (web browser)
[12:33] <gugu^> how to put password to system setings
[12:35] <dftpnkezln> could someone tell me what i need to do now - this is what im trying to do (and why) - "if you want your sensors back, you'll need to disable suspend support for now ("Sleep States" in the ACPI menu.)"
[12:38] <gugu^> how to put password to system setings
[12:39] <roy> :] 
[12:50] <julle> i am getting thrown out from X when i try to startup the computer. What is the command for getting to the kdm login screen again .Ctrl + Alt F7 ?
[01:04] <compilerwriter> Hello all.
[01:04] <compilerwriter> Can anyone give me a quick refressher on rlogin?
[01:05] <compilerwriter> I have totally forgotten how to set it up etc.
[01:06] <compilerwriter> Anyone here able to help with rlogin.  I have forgotten how I did a long time ago.
[01:12] <wildchild> !gimp
[01:12] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[01:14] <zch> can someone help me installing external us robotics modem on kubuntu
[01:15] <Mena> Hi, Is there a plugin in Firefox to play MediaPlayer online ??!
[01:15] <Mena> !firefox-plugins
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox-plugins - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <Mena> Stdin, are you here
[01:18] <Jucato> Mena: try mozilla-mplayer
[01:18] <Mena> Jucato, ok
[01:19] <Mena> Jucato, Do will that work with Opera
[01:19] <Jucato> er dunno
[01:19] <Mena> Jucato, okay no prob
[01:19] <KiPSeRoN> somone can help me to install kiba-dock on kubuntu
[01:19] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[01:19] <KiPSeRoN> !kiba-dock
[01:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <Jucato> !kibadock
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kibadock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:20] <Jucato> bah
[01:20] <KiPSeRoN> jucato
[01:20] <KiPSeRoN> you know how to install
[01:20] <KiPSeRoN> ?
[01:20] <Jucato> nope
[01:20] <Jucato> sorry
[01:21] <zch> can someone at least point me to some docs on installing external modem and setting up internet connection, i googled with no success
[01:21] <KiPSeRoN> !pastebin
[01:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:23] <Jucato> !modem
[01:23] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[01:25] <daft> does anyone know what "Library directory /usr/local/lib is not in /etc/ld.so.conf  Add it and run /sbin/ldconfig for the userspace tools to work" is telling me to do?
[01:25] <daft> how do i 'add' it
[01:34] <vampiru> holas
[01:35] <vampiru> someone has automatix here?
[01:38] <yohan> helo?
[01:41] <yohan> how to get some info for newbie?anybody please help? on subject mounting, and instaling apps?
[01:43] <Jimbob> Hi
[01:46] <dna2_> Hello, I just upgraded from dapper to edgy by replacing all dapper with edgy in sources.list. Everything seems to work fine exept the default edgy 2.6.17 kernel. It won't boot for me, unable to mount root partition. Then I found that grubs menu.lst does not contain a initrd for that kernel and neither can I find that file. What should I do?
[01:46] <dna2_> I also saw that the initrd-tools package is not installed after the upgrade, shouldn't it be?
[01:50] <marcelloDoItBeTt> hi, is this a english channel?
[01:51] <marcelloDoItBeTt> hi, is this a english channel?
[01:51] <Jucato> yes
[01:51] <marcelloDoItBeTt> thnks
[01:51] <compilerwriter> Thank God Jucato you are here.
[01:52] <Jucato> not for long though
[01:52] <compilerwriter> This should be quick.
[01:52] <Jucato> we'll see :)
[01:52] <marcelloDoItBeTt> i should need a new sources.list. May u send me a new one please?
[01:52] <compilerwriter> I managed, on a lark, a few months back to connect from my Winblows box to my Kubuntu box via putty.
[01:53] <reinhold> I'm currently running kubuntu edgy. What exactly do I have to change to update to feisty? Is it sufficient to simply replace all "edgy" by "feisty" in /etc/apt/sources.list? How about edgy-security?
[01:53] <Jucato> !source-o-matic | marcelloDoItBeTt
[01:53] <ubotu> marcelloDoItBeTt: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:53] <Jucato> compilerwriter: ok hold it right there... I dunno anything about networking, putty, etc...
[01:53] <marcelloDoItBeTt> !source-o-matic
[01:53] <Jucato> marcelloDoItBeTt: go to the link the bot gave
[01:53] <Jucato> the ! calls the bot with a factoid
[01:54] <marcelloDoItBeTt> thank u!!
[01:54] <compilerwriter> I now really need to do it again but have forgotten how to find out my computers ip address.
[01:54] <Jucato> reinhold: now wouldn't be a good time to upgrade to feisty yet
[01:54] <reinhold> Jucato: Why not? Is it so much worse than debian sid (which I'm running on my office machine)?
[01:55] <Jucato> reinhold: it's your choice. Feisty is still labeled as "alpha" at this stage.
[01:56] <Jucato> Debian and Ubuntu don't have the same development process, so you can't really equate Sid with Feisty. anyway, change all of the *official* Ubuntu repositorys from edgy to feisty, including -updates and -security
[01:56] <dna2_> I think I found my problem, the upgrade does not seem to have worked that well as I thought, I have a zillion unconfigured packages :(
[01:57] <Jucato> !upgrade
[01:57] <b0rt> could some1 tell me what repo contains "libxorg-sched-yield-hack0" ?
[01:57] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:57] <Jucato> compilerwriter: ifconfig (on Linux) and ipconfig (on Windows)?
[01:57] <compilerwriter> good lord I feel dumb
[01:58] <compilerwriter> for once they are both the same command
[01:58] <Jucato> except for one letter, but yeah... :)
[01:58] <compilerwriter> Not used to it being that simple
[01:59] <Jucato> compilerwriter: may I go now? :D
[01:59] <dna2_> Jucato: thanks, I just had to learn the hard way ;)
[02:00] <Sirgado> hi
[02:00] <compilerwriter> go Jucato
[02:00] <Sirgado> I can't find option to tell Konqueror to remember de view configuration of each folder (icons, or tree, icon sizes, etc).
[02:01] <Sirgado> I also have a Debian that have the option in preferences menur, but is not there in my laptop kubunut.... may kubuntu has removed it?
[02:02] <piquadrat> anyone knows how to disable kubuntus automounter?
[02:03] <roy> hello
[02:03] <marcelloDoItBeTt> what about freenode?
[02:03] <marcelloDoItBeTt> freenode.it
[02:05] <fdoving> piquadrat: remove yourself from the plugdev group.
[02:05] <piquadrat> fdoving: that makes sense! Thanks!
[02:06] <larson9999_> what happened to the trackstick?  went laptop shopping and didn't see one with a trackstick.
[02:09] <b0rt> please, how can i find a repo containing: "libxorg-sched-yield-hack0" ?
[02:10] <daft> does anyone know anything about lm-sensor?
[02:10] <fdoving> !sensors
[02:10] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[02:11] <daft> yeah, ive read there but ive run into some problems
[02:11] <JepZ> hi guys... does someone know how i have to handle this apt source: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/
[02:11] <daft> thanks though
[02:11] <fdoving> JepZ: 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main'
[02:12] <JepZ> fdoving: oh thx... mom
[02:12] <daft> i dont suppose anyone here has ever had any trouble getting their sensors to detect with sensors-detect ?
[02:12] <piquadrat> I removed myself from the plugdev group and restartet kde, but there is still automounting going on...
[02:13] <osh> I have a really weird bug with my Xserver that I'm hoping someone can help with. It does start but the screen is all blank and after I've started it I can't stop it. Can't ctrl-alt-backspace, can't switch to virtual console. It works perfectly with the live-cd but not after install.
[02:13] <wildchild> I was trying to compile gimp: first I downloaded file, untar it and than ./configure But thise packages are missing: No package 'gimp-2.0' found, No package 'gimpui-2.0' found, No package 'gimpthumb-2.0' found how can I get those packages to complete the configure method?
[02:13] <JepZ> fdoving: hm i dont know why, but for kde4-3.80.2 this ./ worked... for 3.80.3 i have to take edgy main ;-) ... THX
[02:17] <osh> wildchild: Surely gimp is in the repositories? apt-get install gimp should work. won't it?
[02:17] <wildchild> ups :)
[02:17] <wildchild> hehe
[02:17] <Jucato> unless he wants to compile the latest. but yes, the GIMP is in the repos
[02:17] <Jucato> !gimp
[02:17] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[02:17] <fdoving> piquadrat: are the devices mounted as your user? - you can have a look at /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi look for storage.automount_enabled_hint
[02:17] <Jucato> !info gimp
[02:17] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2891 kB, installed size 7900 kB
[02:19] <acid_phyre> can u install ubuntu from kde?
[02:19] <acid_phyre> i had the kubuntu install cd and want to run gnome also
[02:19] <waylandbill> wildchild: I'm sure the documentation says the prerequisites.
[02:19] <[KotG|Tanu] > ya can install gnome-desktop iirc
[02:19] <[KotG|Tanu] > acid_phyre
[02:20] <Jucato> acid_phyre: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
[02:20] <piquadrat> fdoving: I have this in preferences.fdi: <merge key="storage.automount_enabled_hint" type="bool">false</merge>
[02:20] <Jucato> [KotG|Tanu] :
[02:20] <Jucato> actually it's ubuntu-desktop
[02:20] <[KotG|Tanu] > ookay, was just guessing :)
[02:21] <piquadrat> fdoving: my main problem is that I wan't do disable kubuntu's automounter in favour of gnome-volume-manager since it's able to automount encrypted devices
[02:21] <fdoving> piquadrat: you have to look at more than that line, the two lines above atleast. and also you need to remove the comment lines <!-- and -->
[02:21] <fdoving> piquadrat: ah.. then you can't disable automounting in hal. that would disable gnome-volume-manager too.
[02:21] <acid_phyre> ic thanks guys
[02:21] <waylandbill> why not just gnome? ubuntu-desktop would give more than just gnome.
[02:21] <[KotG|Tanu] > does someone know an asoundrc howto / getting the right sound card the primary one?
[02:27] <piquadrat> fdoving: is it maybe possible to configure the automounter with preferences.fdi so that it doesn't mount FAT partitions with utf8 charset? utf8 apparently causes case-sensitivnes, whitout which my main problem would vanish
[02:29] <piquadrat> volume.policy.mount_option.iocharset looks promising
[02:31] <fdoving> piquadrat: probably, i haven't looked that up. but for kdes automounter you can disable that like this: kmenu -> run command 'kcmshell kcmkded' untick the mediamanager.
[02:31] <fdoving> you can also hit the 'stop' button to disable it right away.
[02:34] <piquadrat> fdoving: that did the trick! Thank you very much!
[02:40] <stefan> !avahi
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avahi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <bbroke> hi there!
[02:44] <bbroke> just been trying to install the jre with adept and in the console it wants me to accept the license agreement
[02:44] <stefan> I want to uninstall avahi but the depencies will uninstall kubuntu-desktop too. How can I uninstall only avahi?
[02:44] <bbroke> how can i press enter or something in there?
[02:45] <Jucato> bbroke: you can try pressing tab to go to the Accept button. bu you can also close adept, and in Konsole, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" (it's a known issue)
[02:45] <Jucato> !adeptfix
[02:45] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:46] <bbroke> cheers, will try! :)
[02:47] <jordo23> !real
[02:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:54] <bbroke> ok, so what is the correct command to install the jre from console?
[02:54] <just22> hi everybody! where may i find new repositories to add to my sources.list?? thnks
[02:55] <kraut> moin
[02:55] <albert__> mount
[02:57] <bbroke> ok, got it!
[03:00] <kalagio> v4l
[03:00] <kalagio> #v4l
[03:12] <zdub> hi, everybody!
[03:14] <happytiger> how does one make knetworkmanager remeber a key for a wpa encrypted net. Everytime i reboot I have to renter my pass for my home wireless net
[03:14] <ken> hi happy
[03:15] <happytiger> hi ken :-)
[03:15] <Razgriz> hi
[03:15] <ken> im new to this linux thing
[03:15] <Razgriz> can someone here help me with configuring wi-fi?
[03:15] <happytiger> ken: Well keep at it and you will rock
[03:16] <happytiger> Razgriz what is the prob?
[03:16] <b0rt> Razgriz: are u using wireless assistant?
[03:16] <daft> can anyone tell me what this means please ?////: "All I did was copy /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic to the new kernel .config, did a "make oldconfig", disabled ACPI_SLEEP, then proceeded normally from there..."
[03:16] <ken> is there other chat room we can get ie paltalk or yahoo
[03:16] <Razgriz> yes I am using it
[03:16] <b0rt> damn, this really grind my gears
[03:17] <Razgriz> I can see networks in terminal but not in wireless assistant
[03:17] <daft> if i wanted to do that, copy a generic kernel to the kernel .config, how would i go about that?
[03:17] <daft> im using efty
[03:17] <b0rt> Razgriz: ouch never seen that
[03:18] <happytiger> Razgriz try wifi-radar good for web enccrypted net, just remeber to set your interface in /etc7wifi-radar
[03:18] <b0rt> wireless assistant always worked for me
[03:18] <happytiger> Razgriz try wifi-radar good for web enccrypted net, just remeber to set your interface in /etc/wifi-radar
[03:18] <happytiger> Razgriz try wifi-radar good for web enccrypted net, just remeber to set your interface in /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[03:18] <happytiger> :-)
[03:18] <b0rt> why do i get api mismatch when i run beryl? X wont load and i have to recompile the kernel
[03:19] <happytiger> b0rt feisty?
[03:19] <b0rt> edgy
[03:19] <b0rt> edgy amd64
[03:20] <happytiger> Ahh oki
[03:20] <b0rt> nvidia-9629
[03:20] <happytiger> then dont recompile
[03:20] <b0rt> well i have to so X can load
[03:20] <b0rt> i run beryl and it freezes (only beryl not system)
[03:21] <b0rt> then i restart and get the api mismatch error
[03:21] <Razgriz> happytiger: I am on homepage of wifi radar but which package should download?
[03:21] <happytiger> bort -> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia
[03:21] <happytiger> razgriz sudo apt-get install wifi-radar
[03:21] <happytiger> in konsole
[03:22] <Razgriz> hm but I dont have internet on that pc with linux
[03:22] <Razgriz> thats why I need wifi
[03:22] <happytiger> Ahh oki then you can get the deb file
[03:22] <Razgriz> ok I have him
[03:22] <Razgriz> what now?
[03:22] <happytiger> also using apt-get... try man apt-get and then look for the option to download .deb file
[03:23] <happytiger> then you copy to machine
[03:23] <happytiger> and then you do sudo dpkg -i wifi-radar
[03:23] <happytiger> and then you do sudo dpkg -i wifi-radar.deb
[03:23] <c1|freaky> hi all. is there any repository for edgy where i can get backports or where programs like updated squirrelmail packages are in? in feisty theres squirrelmail 1.4.9 in edgy still 1.4.8 and there are security issues :\
[03:23] <Razgriz> ok and then?
[03:24] <happytiger> then you have wifi-radar install then run it using sudo wifi-radar....
[03:24] <daft> please could someone help me ? where do I "copy /boot/config-2.6.17-10-generic to the new kernel .config" to? im trying to modify the kernel (i need to disable ACPI Sleep States)
[03:25] <b0rt> happytiger: it seems that wiki is for x86
[03:25] <happytiger> remeber to edit the /etc/wifi-radar.cong
[03:25] <Jucato> c1|freaky: there's edgy-backports. but not every new version in feisty is backported to edgy
[03:25] <happytiger> remeber to edit the /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[03:25] <Razgriz> edit to what?
[03:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[03:26] <happytiger> b0rt I think there should be amd64 in the repo to
[03:26] <happytiger> have a look at the repository using a browser and check if amd64 paqckages in there
[03:27] <albert__> ok
[03:29] <Sekaab> Good morning
[03:34] <mcgregor> hi all
[03:47] <linda> anyone know whats up with getautomatix.com?
[03:50] <LucidFox> is it possible to make Qt4 applications obey the Mac-style menu bar setting?
[03:50] <LucidFox> not just Qt3 ones
[03:51] <gabor> join kdevelop
[03:51] <velle> could someone help me out with shrinking my partition, creating a new bootable partition, install kubuntu from this partition. (my cdrom is not working, and bios is too old to boot from external)
[03:55] <b0rt> can some1 tell me how to write "uname -r" inside a package name so it recognizes as part of string?
[03:55] <b0rt> (uname -r) and 'uname -r' just dont work
[03:55] <fdoving> b0rt: something-$(uname -r)
[03:55] <BluesKaj> velle, can you find the boot sequence in the BIOS, change it to cdrom as first , then load the distro cd
[03:55] <fdoving> or something-`uname -r`
[03:55] <b0rt> oh i missed $
[03:56] <b0rt> 
[03:56] <b0rt> `uname -r`
[03:56] <julle> is there any good addon to get a transparent dockmenu?
[03:57] <julle> i have superkarmba but looking for the name of the addon
[03:57] <julle> ive searched on kde-look
[04:00] <velle> BluesKaj: My cdrom is out of order, I simply can not read from it. And im on a laptop where I cant find a drive to replace.
[04:00] <marcelloDoItBeTt> !sources-o-matic
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources-o-matic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <owner> ?
[04:03] <fdoving> !source-o-matic
[04:03] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:04] <BluesKaj> velle, sorry i'm not knowledgeable enuff to help you with an ubuntu install from another partition :( ... fdoving ?
[04:04] <b0rt> talking about sources.list.... i cant find libxorg-sched-yield-hack0 in any repo... any help?
[04:04] <fdoving> b0rt: did you search packages.ubuntu.com ?
[04:05] <fdoving> velle: did you read about the options at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[04:05] <velle> fdoving No, I will look at that now
[04:05] <b0rt> fdoving: nope, doing now =)
[04:06] <b0rt> fdoving: search failed
[04:08] <fdoving> b0rt: that is part of automatix 2, right?
[04:08] <paitart> hi. i'm using ubuntu dapper. i want to use kubuntu. what should i do?
[04:09] <fdoving> paitart: you should install the package 'kubuntu-desktop'
[04:09] <paitart> how do i do that?
[04:09] <Kr4t05> I have a question....
[04:09] <fdoving> paitart: with the synaptic package manager.
[04:09] <paitart> what should i top on the terminal?
[04:10] <Kr4t05> Why do I need to downgrade Gimp in order to install gimp-svg?
[04:10] <fdoving> paitart: if you want to do it in the termainl 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop'
[04:10] <paitart> fdoving: what should i type on the terminal?
[04:10] <fdoving> Kr4t05: i guess gimp-svg doesn't work in older gimp versions?
[04:10] <paitart> fdoving: thanks!
[04:11] <Kr4t05> fdoving: No... That's the thing.
[04:11] <Kr4t05> fdoving:  gimp-svg: Depends: gimp (= 2.2.13-1ubuntu1) but 2.2.13-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[04:11] <b0rt> fdoving:  no idea, its a part of nvidia beta drivers
[04:11] <fdoving> Kr4t05: ah.. packaging bug probably.
[04:11] <Kr4t05> fdoving: Bug report?
[04:11] <fdoving> Kr4t05: yes please.
[04:12] <fdoving> b0rt: then i have no clue, i have ati all over the place.
[04:15] <Jucato> Kr4t05: make sure you have edgy-updates repository still enabled
[04:15] <b0rt> fdoving: about automatix, is same repository for amd64?
[04:16] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Pardon?
[04:16] <Jucato> Kr4t05: your problem with gimp-svg
[04:16] <fdoving> b0rt: don't know, i don't use nor recommend automatix to anyone.
[04:17] <Kr4t05> Jucato: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted?
[04:17] <gabor> does anyone know what package i need for QT
[04:17] <gabor> QT development
[04:17] <Jucato> Kr4t05: edgy-updates universe
[04:19] <Rashid> hi
[04:19] <Jucato> Kr4t05: basically, you have the GIMP from edgy-updates (main) installed. but since your edgy-updates universe is probably disabled, APT only sees the older gimp-svg, which depends on the older gimp
[04:20] <Rashid> can anyone help me with my nvidia card?
[04:20] <Kr4t05> Jucato: So, I should...?
[04:20] <Jucato> Kr4t05: enable the edgy-updates universe repository
[04:20] <[KotG|Tanu] > Rashid: ask, dont ask to ask ;)
[04:20] <Rashid> [KotG|Tanu]  lol ok
[04:20] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Just making sure. ;)
[04:21] <Jucato> Kr4t05: most probably deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main universe
[04:21] <Jucato> er
[04:21] <Jucato> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates universe
[04:21] <Kr4t05> Jucato: Adding universe to the end of the existing line would suffice?
[04:21] <Rashid> well iv followed all the guides and have, as far as I can tell, a perfect xorg.conf and all the necessary things installed, kde and X run fine and fast (beryl runs perfectly fine) but glxgears is very slow (less than 100FPS most of the time) and if i try to play enemy territory it is very slow. (the starting menu is painfully slow, havent even bothered trying to play)
[04:21] <Jucato> Kr4t05: yep. but most probably you already have that line in your sources.list. it's just probably disabled
[04:22] <[KotG|Tanu] > I need to have a wlan configuration script ran every time the system starts, where can I put a symlink to it?
[04:22] <Kr4t05> Mkay, thanks.
[04:22] <Rashid> i have an nvidia fx5500, i played tce (et mod) in dapper before with this card and it ran fine
[04:22] <Rashid> interestingly, in glxgears -printfps, if i wobble the glxgears window around the FPS goes up...i thought it woulda gone down (more work, less FPS :S )
[04:23] <Rashid> [KotG|Tanu]  in /etc/init.d/
[04:24] <Rashid> anyone have any ideas about my nvidia issue?
[04:25] <[KotG|Tanu] > Rashid: ty :)
[04:25] <Rashid> [KotG|Tanu]  your welcome :)
[04:26] <[KotG|Tanu] > hmm... may be because it doesnt render in such good quality while wobbling, because the framerate would go down due to it....
[04:27] <Rashid> [KotG|Tanu]  nope...it renders as smoothly as it does when normal...its just weird behavior. but im more interested in how to get my framerate up so I can play enemy territory mod tce (true combat elite :p)
[04:27] <Rashid> [KotG|Tanu]  normally its about 50FPS...thats waay too low. when i had dapper, with the same card, it was 2000FPS
[04:28] <[KotG|Tanu] > hmm... here glxgears drops from 3500 to 3000 frames while wobbling ...
[04:28] <Rashid> hmm...thats weird...maybe its something to do with my set up?
[04:28] <[KotG|Tanu] > maybe you could use a newer driver version?
[04:28] <Rashid> would pasting xorg.conf be any help?
[04:28] <[KotG|Tanu] > I dont really understand the xconfig, wont help me :D
[04:29] <Rashid> lol kk
[04:29] <Morrissey> Hi. Artwork seems so random if its worked. About two releases ago I didnt get covers on my ipod, but I did after a upgrade. Now I upgraded again, and it doesnt work ...
[04:29] <Morrissey> on amarok
[04:30] <compilerwriter> Now that it appears that I have no-ip up and working what else must I do to use ssh?
[04:33] <jhutchins> Morrissey: There's an #amarok channel.
[04:33] <Morrissey> they're usually just morons in there. Sorry :S
[04:33] <jhutchins> Hm.  I've conversed directly with developers who addressed my questions directly and immediately.
[04:38] <zdub> i have an ati rage mobility m3 chip on my laptop, can someone tell me which driver should i use to enable dri on it?
[04:40] <fdoving> zdub: the default ati driver will work just fine.
[04:41] <zdub> fdoving: with the default driver direct rendering is off
[04:41] <Mena> What is the diffrence between Kubunu and PcLinuxOS
[04:42] <Mena> Is it about Apps , the look ....
[04:42] <Mena> Security
[04:42] <Mena> Using
[04:42] <fdoving> zdub: yeah, but i belive the default driver supports dri, even though it's off by default.
[04:43] <reflexi0n> hi there. does someone here know a good app to switch the primary and secondary soundcard during runtime(kubuntu 6.10)?
[04:43] <zdub> fdoving: how to turn it on then?
[04:44] <renato> hi, is there anybody in here familiar with postfix?
[04:46] <happytiger> reflexion asound ??
[04:46] <adaptr> yes
[04:46] <asaup> hi
[04:46] <asaup> wireless problem in kubuntu
[04:47] <renato> adaptr, is that for me?
[04:47] <adaptr> renato: I've used postfix
[04:47] <asaup> doesnt find the wirless card. how can i install the drivers.
[04:47] <reflexi0n> uppsi. new to me but seems to do the trick. thx
[04:48] <renato> I   just set up postfix, I can receive mail (pop and imap= but when I try to send an email I get (in the log): fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit
[04:48] <renato> but, I have(in main.cf): mtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_destination, permit
[04:48] <renato> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_destination, permit
[04:48] <renato> that is
[04:49] <adaptr> renato: pop and imap have nothing to do with receiving mail
[04:49] <renato> I know, I just wanted to say that is not a "naked system) where everything needs to be set up
[04:50] <adaptr> renato: permit_my_networks should come *first*
[04:50] <adaptr> renato: or last, either one - I forget how that's parsed
[04:50] <renato> I did not know there was an order of preference
[04:50] <adaptr> renato: man main.cf
[04:50] <fdoving> zdub: kmenu -> run command 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' - give your password when it asks. then find: Driver "ati"
[04:50] <adaptr> renato: there is, or else the final permit is unnecessary
[04:51] <renato> fair comment
[04:51] <arpith> hi where can i download and install qbasic for ubutu
[04:51] <arpith> ?
[04:51] <fdoving> zdub: after the driver line, add a line: Option "DRI" "true"
[04:51] <fdoving> zdub: then save and exit kwrite, logout, hit the menu button in kdm and select 'restart X.'
[04:53] <jhutchins> renato: It's usually pretty dead, but there is #ubuntu-server
[04:54] <rag> please somebody with dreamhost problems ?
[04:54] <rag> too
[04:54] <rag> hosting  problmes
[04:54] <rag> problems
[04:54] <rag> all my sites is down :(
[04:54] <Jucato> rag: #dreamhost
[04:56] <asaup> drivers for intel pro wireless
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> YES!
[04:56] <KaoticEvil> i have *finally* gotten Edgy online!!
[04:56] <asaup> kubuntu doesnt recognize my wireless card
[04:56] <asaup> please help me install it
[04:57] <BluesKaj> !wireless | asaup
[04:57] <ubotu> asaup: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:58] <phisco> !mythtv
[04:58] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[04:59] <phisco> does this ubotu know every package? ;-)
[05:00] <Jucato> phisco: every package available in the repositories, yes
[05:00] <phisco> very nice!!
[05:02] <jhutchins> !ndiswrapper | asaup
[05:02] <ubotu> asaup: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:03] <jhutchins> phisco: It has deeper help for Frequently Asked Questions that people have programmed into it.
[05:03] <asaup> i found and downloaded ipw3945-1.2.0.tgz
[05:03] <jhutchins> Which, AHEM, needs to be cleaned up considerably.
[05:03] <asaup> now how to install it because i'm newbie
[05:03] <asaup> :P
[05:04] <phisco> jhutchins: thats a very good idea. You used this "pipe" to asaup, what is this for?
[05:04] <phisco> jhutchins: are there other programms like in console?
[05:05] <phisco> asaup: do you know how tu untar?
[05:05] <asaup> yes i untared
[05:05] <asaup> it
[05:05] <phisco> asaup: is there a readme inside?
[05:06] <asaup> and i have made make cmd
[05:06] <asaup> but it says
[05:06] <asaup> /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[05:06] <asaup> /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[05:06] <asaup> -e
[05:07] <asaup> and many other things
[05:07] <Morrissey> In Amarok, Is there a way to update all the covers on my iPod without have to delete all songs just to let them in again?
[05:07] <jhutchins> !ubotu > phisco
[05:07] <jhutchins> Morrissey: Why not just find the images and delete them?
[05:08] <phisco> jhutchins: thx :)
[05:08] <KaoticEvil> wtf?! "timestamp too far into the future"??!!
[05:08] <Morrissey> jhutchins, hm? The point is that my iPod doesnt show any covers ... only some
[05:08] <jhutchins> Morrissey: You mean the cover images )on( the ipod? Or in Amarok.
[05:08] <Morrissey> on the ipod yes =)
[05:08] <phisco> asaup: ou i cant write you qry because im not registred jet
[05:09] <jernej> a ubuntu question: how do i get rid of the desktops thingie in the taskbar?
[05:09] <asaup> no problem
[05:09] <Morrissey> Its behaving really strange jhutchins  ... sometimes it shows covers, sometimes not .. therefor I was wondering if its possible to update all the covers. Like "Update all covers on iPod"
[05:09] <jhutchins> Morrissey: Well, I suppose you could explore the ipod's filesystem, see what you learn there.  You can look at the cover images in ipod, see what's different about the ones that don't display.
[05:09] <jhutchins> Or look at the images on the PC I mean.
[05:09] <phisco> asaup: im not sure but it is possible that you havnt installed the kernel headers... hmm but im really not sure
[05:09] <jhutchins> Morrissey: I have a shuffle.
[05:10] <asaup> how can i show it
[05:10] <asaup> and say it to you
[05:10] <Morrissey> ok jhutchins
[05:10] <Morrissey> thanks
[05:10] <jhutchins> asaup: tarballs are far more likely to be incomplete, untested, or incorrect.
[05:10] <phisco> asaup: i have to get the name of the package just a moment
[05:11] <asaup> ok
[05:11] <jhutchins> asaup: With a binary, you at least know you have something that will build.
[05:11] <asaup> jhutchins : im
[05:11] <asaup> new here man . i installed kubuntu
[05:11] <phisco> asaup: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[05:11] <asaup> edgy
[05:12] <asaup> installed it 10 hours ago
[05:12] <phisco> asaup: ok then try this : aptitude search headers (everything with sudo) and then istall the linux-headers-2....
[05:12] <asaup> its a fresh copy and i have many problems. i have problems with repositories too
[05:12] <jhutchins> !info build-essential | asaup
[05:12] <ubotu> asaup: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[05:13] <jhutchins> !make | asaup
[05:13] <ubotu> asaup: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:14] <phisco> asaup: i think you need the 2.6.16 or higher (i dont have edgy thats the reason)
[05:14] <phisco> jhutchins: isnt it possible that he has to install the kernel headers?
[05:14] <asaup> i made aptitude search headers
[05:14] <asaup> and it shows this
[05:14] <asaup> v   linux-headers                   -
[05:14] <asaup> v   linux-headers-2.6               -
[05:14] <asaup> i   linux-headers-2.6.17-10         - Header files related to Linux kernel versi
[05:14] <asaup> i   linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic - Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.17 on
[05:14] <asaup> i   linux-headers-generic           - Generic Linux kernel headers
[05:14] <asaup> v   linux-kernel-headers            -
[05:15] <jhutchins> asaup: Careful there, the server will bounce you for flooding.
[05:15] <jhutchins> !pastebin | asaup
[05:15] <asaup> sorry
[05:15] <ubotu> asaup: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:16] <jhutchins> asaup: You want the headers that match the kernel you're working with, uname -r will tell you what's loaded.
[05:16] <asaup> 2.6.17-10-generic
[05:16] <asaup> thats what it says
[05:17] <jhutchins> So apt-get install  linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
[05:17] <jhutchins> asaup:  Read through the build tips and consider installing build-essential.
[05:17] <risacher> salut
[05:18] <asaup> it says
[05:18] <asaup> its already the newest version
[05:18] <compilerwriter> anyone know if ssh utilizes tcp or udp?
[05:18] <risacher> saluit a tous
[05:18] <cdkey> i think ssh is on tcp
[05:18] <yannick> Putain 10 jours pour installer Kubuntu ! et encore il marche pas ! allez hop Vista...
[05:18] <fille_tranquille> salut a tous
[05:18] <cdkey> yannick tu troll
[05:19] <yannick> Je sais je deconne. Je test Konversation
[05:19] <cdkey> moi aussi
[05:20] <mike1> hi
[05:20] <fdoving> compilerwriter: ssh uses tcp.
[05:21] <asaup> i have problem with repositories too
[05:21] <compilerwriter> thanks
[05:21] <asaup> it says network is unreacheble
[05:22] <mike> hey, i have problems with installing my ghaphics card
[05:23] <compilerwriter> fdoving I am having trouble setting up my router and all so that I can access my machine from say my mother-in-laws when I am there.
[05:23] <compilerwriter> I have, set up no-ip correctly.  At least I think so.
[05:24] <ryanakca> marok crashed... and now when I start it, all it displays is a blank window. I've tried removing .kde/share/apps/amarok and .kde/share/config/amarokrc ... no avail. kill'd all amarok processes. Same problem
[05:24] <yannick> DISK: On last Kubuntu cpu goes 100% when big file copy... Disk settings I think (D610 dell) on sda... SomeOne has a good idea?
[05:24] <fdoving> compilerwriter: then you need to setup forwarding of tcp port 22 on the router, to tcp port 22 on your machine.
[05:24] <compilerwriter> I think that That I have done that but am not sure.
[05:25] <fdoving> then check.
[05:25] <asaup> when i open adept manager and click the "fetch updates" it says there was an error downloading updates
[05:26] <compilerwriter> I have a DI-524.  I have gotten in to the router and set up a virtual server named putty for my machine.  it is set to tcp 22/22
[05:26] <renato> in order to have cyrus-sasl  layer (to be used with postfix) what package do I need to install?
[05:26] <compilerwriter> So then in theory I should be able to use my no-ip address with putty and get connected to my machine.
[05:26] <rag> Jucato: i know it thx
[05:27] <asaup> when i open adept manager and click the "fetch updates" it says there was an error downloading updates
[05:27] <compilerwriter> or do I need to restart my router now?
[05:28] <yaccin> asaup: try "sudo apt-get update" in konsole
[05:28] <maros> salut tout le monde
[05:28] <maros> comment on fait pour savoir l'espace disque qu'il reste de libre sur une partition et sur un disque dur ?
[05:29] <Jucato> !fr | maros
[05:29] <ubotu> maros: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:29] <yaccin> !fr
[05:29] <usamahashimi> what is the address of ubuntu off topic channel?
[05:29] <maros> ok
[05:29] <fdoving> usamahashimi: #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:30] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:30] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:30] <maros> how to see how much free space on a partition or a hdd ?
[05:30] <yaccin> maros: in dolphin or in quanta... also try media:// in konqueror and right-click
[05:30] <asaup> yaccin : it doesnt work . i have problems with my repositories
[05:31] <maros> i would like a command line rather than Konqueror
[05:31] <yaccin> err
[05:31] <yaccin> asaup: which error do you get?
[05:31] <asaup> i descused it yesterday here
[05:31] <asaup> yaccin: i get this
[05:31] <asaup> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:31] <asaup> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[05:32] <yaccin> hmm
[05:32] <Jucato> asaup: close Adept first
[05:32] <Jucato> you can't run apt-get and have Adept open at the same time
[05:32] <jotace> Hola
[05:32] <yaccin> yes
[05:32] <yaccin> ^^
[05:32] <asaup> i closed adept and it starts but stays at 0%
[05:32] <asaup> it says no connection to server
[05:32] <yaccin> o.O
[05:34] <kubuntu610__> how do I get a more precise channel list?
[05:34] <Jucato> kubuntu610__: in Konversation, Window menu -> Channel List or press F5. but be careful
[05:34] <tominglis> hi guys, i am trying to install nvidia-glx on kubuntu feisty to get my geforce go 7950 gtx sli cards working, and i am having difficulty. the nvidia-glx package seems to install kernel 2.6.20-5-386 and the associated restricted modules, but this hangs on 'starting up...' if i uninstall that and install restricted modules 2.6.20-8-generic, will that work with the default feisty kernel, and will it get upgraded by apt as
[05:34] <tominglis> new versions come out?
[05:35] <kubuntu610__> thanks jucato
[05:36] <sc0tch> Anyone have a recommendation on a prefered ide/editor for html/php?
[05:37] <HymnToLife> kate :)
[05:37] <Magdalenica> hello
[05:37] <yaccin> scquanta
[05:37] <Magdalenica> can u help me with my TV problem?
[05:37] <Jucato> !quanta
[05:37] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2361 kB, installed size 5700 kB
[05:37] <yaccin> sc0tch: quanta
[05:37] <yaccin> ^^
[05:37] <chavo> kate is good
[05:37] <yaccin> quanta is better
[05:37] <asaup> can anyone explain me why my sources.list have a problem
[05:37] <yaccin> ^^
[05:37] <asaup> ??
[05:37] <chavo> quanta is nice if you need all the toolbars and such
[05:37] <yaccin> i do
[05:37] <yaccin> :D
[05:37] <yaccin> well i dont, but i work faster with them
[05:38] <tominglis> yaccin: thanks for the reply dude - does that mean that i just need to install restricted-modules 2.6.20-8-generic to make it work?
[05:38] <yaccin> yes i think so
[05:38] <chavo> well quanta is nice then
[05:38] <dr_willis> Hmm - I need to track down some simple GPL games (or just free) for windows - for the wife to play..
[05:38] <Devineman> asaup:  what exactly is the problem
[05:38] <bonbonthejon> sc0tch: kate is my prefered editor for everything
[05:38] <chavo> there's also Nvu which is kind of WYSIWYG
[05:39] <yaccin> dr_willis: she likes egoshooters?
[05:39] <bonbonthejon> dr_willis: frozen bubble is a great game
[05:39] <sc0tch> Mostly need multidocument with syntax checking, validation, etc.
[05:39] <HymnToLife> does quanta have a FTP feature to upload files on your server in one click ?
[05:39] <chavo> Nvu is the html editor from mozilla
[05:39] <HymnToLife> that's the only thing I miss when using kate
[05:39] <yaccin> dr_willis: also try planeshift :)
[05:39] <sc0tch> I'll google those, thanks.
[05:39] <HymnToLife> compared to DW for ex.
[05:39] <chavo> HymnToLife, you can use the kde kio slaves
[05:39] <yaccin> HymnToLife: it has
[05:39] <chavo> oh you mean saving the local and remote
[05:39] <dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  yea.. getting frozenbbble for her.. shes  mor of a solitare person. :) got pysol for her allready.. but the fonts are messed up for some reason..
[05:40] <yaccin> Hyit also uploads everything in the project / everything you want / every updatet file
[05:40] <yaccin> ^^
[05:40] <HymnToLife> oh, I'll look into it then
[05:40] <asaup> Devineman: the problem is that i can not update even from apt-get even from adept
[05:40] <HymnToLife> when my kernel will be done compiling :p
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> dr_willis: freeciv is a great windows game
[05:40] <yaccin> dr_willis: ultrastar
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> asaup: can you pastebin your sources.list
[05:40] <dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  you are thinking of the WRONG kind of games for my wife.. :)
[05:40] <bonbonthejon> !pastebin
[05:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:40] <dr_willis> bejweled, and so forth are her style
[05:41] <asaup> sure
[05:41] <bonbonthejon> dr_willis: sorry, i doint know any other windows games
[05:41] <chavo> There was an editor aI used in wondows that saved the remote and a local copy if you set it up, was pretty handy
[05:42] <bonbonthejon> dr_willis: I found this http://gplgames.blog-o-matic.com/tag/windows-games/
[05:42] <dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  :) just think of the $10 puzzle games ya seein the stores bargin aisle. heh heh..
[05:42] <dr_willis> I could set her up with mame i guess...
[05:42] <BluesKaj> hey bonbonthejon, thx for the help yesterday ..I was able to fix both X and the resolution :)
[05:42] <dr_willis> she just needs a few to keep her busy during the tv comercials. :)
[05:42] <bonbonthejon> dr_willis: I think bejeweled is freeware, shareware
[05:42] <Devineman> asaup: have you just tried to install Java by any chance?
[05:42] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: glad to help
[05:43] <asaup> i cant install anything because i have a fresh copy
[05:43] <asaup> dont have anything installed
[05:43] <dr_willis> bonbonthejon,  theres a dozen free variants of it i think. :) actually i think they were out befor the comercial one..
[05:43] <Devineman> asaup:  which version are you using?
[05:43] <asaup> edgy
[05:43] <asaup> kubuntu edgy
[05:44] <bonbonthejon> asaup: pastebin the sources.list so we can help find the problem, or create a new one
[05:44] <bonbonthejon> !source-o-matic | asaup
[05:44] <ubotu> asaup: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:46] <lukasz> jest ktos z polski ?
[05:46] <yaccin> !pl | lukasz
[05:46] <ubotu> lukasz: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[05:47] <lukasz> ubotu Dziki , pozdrawiam
[05:47] <b0rt> hey how can i record "what's being displayed on screen" in kubuntu edgy?
[05:48] <Jucato> screenshot? KSnapshot
[05:48] <bonbonthejon> b0rt: or screen cast?
[05:48] <b0rt> bonbonthejon: guess so...
[05:48] <b0rt> make a video of exactly what im seeing on screen
[05:49] <yaccin> b0rt: normal kde or beryl/compiz etc?
[05:49] <bonbonthejon> b0rt: http://nowherenorth.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/screencast-software-for-linux-ubuntu/
[05:49] <b0rt> beryl
[05:49] <b0rt> ^^U
[05:49] <yaccin> b0beryl has a vidcap plugin
[05:49] <yaccin> read the beryl-forums!
[05:50] <yaccin> or ask in #beryl
[05:51] <asaup> i used source-o-matic
[05:51] <b0rt> thanks both
[05:51] <asaup> but no effect
[05:51] <dr_willis> asaup,  i would guess ya used it wrong.. or missed a step. :)
[05:52] <asaup> no
[05:52] <asaup> the problem is that i can not
[05:52] <asaup> download
[05:52] <dr_willis> !enter
[05:52] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:52] <dr_willis> clarify what you mean.
[05:55] <phisco> just a question by the way, does someone know how to stop this "log in, log off"-messages in konversation?
[05:56] <dr_willis> check the konversation settings? i dont use it enough to know what message you are refering to.
[05:58] <phisco> ill try all settings ;), i was just wonder if someone already know that
[05:58] <phisco> thank you
[05:59] <dr_willis> #KDE may
[05:59] <yaccin> #konversation
[05:59] <yaccin> ...
[05:59] <dr_willis> I noticed on YahooMessenger konqueror is alwasys setting me away/back - :) and couldent figure where to turn that off.. so i quit using it.
[05:59] <dr_willis> err Konversation 's yahoo stuff
[05:59] <phisco> oh i see, thx
[06:00] <rinofima> hi
[06:00] <Cugel> hi
[06:00] <yaccin> dr_willis: you mean kopete?
[06:00] <b0rt> dr_willis: gaim also does that to msn
[06:01] <b0rt> b0rt: i just press enter on url to reload and it loads fine
[06:01] <rinofima> i'm using kubuntu 6.10 i wonder how could i make that my wireless conection to star at boot
[06:01] <b0rt> dr_willis: try hitting enter on url
[06:01] <Cugel> Make an autostart entry?
[06:01] <b0rt> or reload button
[06:01] <rinofima> yes
[06:01] <rinofima> autostar entry
[06:02] <phisco> but he could also use knetworkmanager not?
[06:02] <rinofima> i tryed that but
[06:02] <rinofima> it does not work
[06:02] <BOBOR> hi
[06:02] <Cugel> Yes -- knetworkmanager doesn't work on my computer (the dreaded no network device found error)
[06:02] <Cugel> So how do you start it now?
[06:03] <rinofima> every time i have to open wireless assistant
[06:03] <rinofima> and that's it
[06:03] <rinofima> it works that way
[06:03] <BOBOR> can someone help with seting up wifi?
[06:03] <rinofima> but not automatically at boot
[06:03] <Lynoure> Cugel: Usually the trick for knetworkmanager is to comment out everything except lo from /etc/network/interfaces
[06:04] <rinofima> ok i'll try that
[06:04] <rinofima> thanks
[06:04] <BOBOR> can someone help with seting up wifi?
[06:04] <mikl_> Is it normal for Kontact to use about 100MB RAM?
[06:05] <mikl_> I decided to try KDE for a change, and I'm a bit puzzled by its memory usage...
[06:05] <dr_willis> last i tried kontact - it sort of embdede kmail, and a few other things...
[06:05] <mikl_> I have 1.5 gigs of RAM and only 66 MB free with only a few apps open?
[06:05] <dr_willis> so i wouldent be suprised.
[06:06] <dr_willis> any ram thats not used by the system apps. becomes cache
[06:06] <dr_willis> im suprosed you got any free. :)
[06:06] <Mena> Hi,
[06:06] <yaccin> mikl_: o.O
[06:06] <yaccin> Sysinfo for 'Hephaistos': Linux 2.6.20-8-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlon at 1200 MHz (2402 bogomips), , RAM: 428/503MB, 104 proc's, 4.17h up
[06:06] <yaccin> and i have a lot of apps open
[06:06] <yaccin> ^^
[06:06] <Mena> Is there someone have experience with Kino(VideoEditor) ????
[06:06] <mikl_> dr_willis: only 187384k is buffers
[06:06] <uops> Kd os Brasucas?
[06:06] <uops> =)
[06:07] <Mena> Bec i cant add Avi files to it
[06:07] <mikl_> the rest is allocated
[06:07] <dr_willis> how much swap is being used any?
[06:07] <mikl_> about 40 megs
[06:08] <b0rt> any1 know where to get libxorg-sched-yield-hack0 ?
[06:08] <Mena> Dr_Willis, Why Linux dont use a lot of the swap partition and load on the ram
[06:08] <yaccin> why?
[06:08] <yaccin> b0you dont need that
[06:08] <b0rt> cant find a working repo with it (libxorg-sched-yield-hack0)
[06:08] <BOBOR> can someone help me with seting up wifi?
[06:08] <yaccin> b0rt:
[06:08] <mikl_> the fat king is Konqueror with two processes of 50 megs each
[06:08] <dr_willis> Linux's memory management is very efficient.  If you find yourself using a lot of swap. you may want to invest in more memory
[06:09] <mikl_> and KDesktop eats 40 - what for?
[06:09] <b0rt> yaccin: its needed for trying nvidia beta drivers for amd64
[06:09] <yaccin> b0rt: you dont need nvidia-beta.-drivers
[06:09] <yaccin> latest stable drivers also work
[06:09] <Mena> Dr_willis, ok
[06:09] <b0rt> yaccin ive installed beryl on 2 comps already fully working, third isnt going so well
[06:10] <Mena> Dr_willis, Do you have any idea a bout kino
[06:10] <yaccin> hmm i dont know about 64 bit... but i have installed it succesfully on 2 pcs... 1 ati and 1 nvidia
[06:10] <yaccin> both 32 bit
[06:10] <yaccin> and no beta-drivers ^^
[06:10] <b0rt> ive tried many drivers, and ive found people with same hardware and working with beta
[06:10] <True_Friend> Hi folks i m suffering of slowing down my system i think it is due to amarok when i play music my system slows down miserably using edgy any ideas to fix it?
[06:11] <BOBOR> can someone help with setting up wifi? I can see networks in console but not wireless assitant
[06:11] <b0rt> yaccin: please i really want to try it out, could you help me finding that lib?
[06:11] <yaccin> True_Friend: disable "scan library for changes"
[06:11] <BluesKaj> !wireless | BOBOR
[06:11] <Mena> !wifi
[06:11] <yaccin> b0 i dont think you can get it anywhere, because you really dont need it
[06:11] <ubotu> BOBOR: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:11] <True_Friend> yaccin: plz guide me from where
[06:11] <b0rt> =/
[06:12] <dr_willis> Mena,  every time i try kino - i can never get it to do what i want.
[06:12] <Mena> Dr_willis, me too
[06:12] <b0rt> yaccin: im following a how-to for explicit nvidia-edgy-amd64
[06:12] <Mena> heheh
[06:12] <Mena> Dr_willis, Do you know a better supportted program ?
[06:12] <uops> hi, Fireworks in Linux? is possible?
[06:12] <yaccin> True_Friend: amarok > Settings > Configure Amarok > Collection (or library?)
[06:13] <dr_willis> Mena,  never really looked.. problem i had was with importing the avi files i allready i had made.
[06:13] <dr_willis> uops,  Huh?
[06:13] <yaccin> b0#beryl
[06:13] <yaccin> sorry
[06:13] <yaccin> i dont know anything about 64 bit
[06:13] <yaccin> but im sure you dont that hack
[06:13] <b0rt> so how could you be so sure if u havent tried x64?
[06:13] <b0rt> =P
[06:13] <Mena> Dr_willis, Yes mee to alawys saing Dv file dv file dv file..etc...
[06:14] <yaccin> because it was NEVER neccesarry for 32 bit, also everyone said it was at first
[06:14] <b0rt> just kiddin, but im so straight forward to try that, cause ive tried already "standard" methods
[06:14] <Mena> !video editor
[06:14] <yaccin> you should just install nvidia-glx, install beryl and thats it...
[06:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video editor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:15] <b0rt> yaccin: that makes X not to load
[06:15] <yaccin> ehm
[06:15] <yaccin> installing nvidia-glx + changing driver from nv to nvidia
[06:15] <yaccin> ...
[06:16] <uops> Macromdia Fireworks in Linux, funciona?
[06:16] <MepisReign> no se
[06:16] <b0rt> k ill follow your comands
[06:16] <MepisReign> pero trata con Corssover para ver
[06:16] <MepisReign> Crossover*
[06:16] <b0rt> mamones este canal es "english"
[06:16] <b0rt> =P
[06:16] <MepisReign> lol
[06:17] <MepisReign> we should create a spanish channel then :)
[06:17] <b0rt> yaccin: at your command
[06:17] <b0rt> MepisReign: it already exist : #kubuntu-es
[06:17] <MepisReign> thx
[06:17] <MepisReign> is it populated?
[06:17] <b0rt> kinda, less than this
[06:17] <MepisReign> i see
[06:17] <b0rt> u can still use both
[06:17] <MepisReign> thx man
[06:18] <b0rt> (i do)
[06:18] <MepisReign> what was ur question about the NVIDIA driver?
[06:18] <b0rt> i already got over beryl on intel and nvidia (i386)
[06:19] <b0rt> now im having trouble with amd64
[06:19] <MepisReign> i see
[06:19] <MepisReign> do you need directions to install the latest NVIDIA driver?
[06:19] <rinofima> thanks i solved my problem with the autostart wireless conection at boot :)
[06:20] <MepisReign> i just posted a solution on the Kubuntu forums, personally I don use Beryl since will afcet the gamong performance
[06:20] <b0rt> well, i would like to try this lib :"libxorg-sched-yield-hack0", however yaccin would call me nerd
[06:20] <MepisReign> but maybe will work for you
[06:20] <Mena> Dr_willis, Do you know cinelerra
[06:20] <MepisReign> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=14031.0
[06:20] <Mena> Dr_willis, IS that okay if i use it but its not supported is that okay
[06:20] <MepisReign> check that link b0rt
[06:21] <Gh0st75> hullo
[06:21] <KaoticEvil> well, so far, so good :)
[06:22] <dr_willis> Mena,  supported by who? you think th Kubuntu Kops are going to come over and take their disrto back if you run stuff they dont officially support?
[06:22] <dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <Gh0st75> getting a new intel macbook soon, anyone know if kubuntu works on them?
[06:22] <MepisReign> LOL
[06:22] <dr_willis> ive never used cineralla. heh h
[06:22] <dr_willis> Gh0st75,  they run intell stuff.. so it should work.
[06:23] <dr_willis> Gh0st75,  i think theres a forum section on them in the ubuntu/kubuntu forums
[06:23] <Mena> Dr_willis, i mean Do you think it will be bad code or something like that bec Soem one befor tell me that
[06:23] <Mena> some*
[06:23] <b0rt> MepisReign: nice screen btw
[06:23] <MepisReign> what exactly do you need to do Mena?
[06:23] <MepisReign> thx b0rt
[06:23] <dr_willis> Mena,  not used it more then for a few min to try it out.. so no idea how good it is
[06:23] <b0rt> MepisReign:  could you help me find that lib?
[06:23] <Gh0st75> i've heard that gentoo 64 bit works on them, but when i checked the ubuntu forums there was talk of people getting ubuntu to work on the intel ones, tho no mention of 64 bit
[06:24] <MepisReign> whats the name of the lib b0rt?
[06:24] <Mena> MepisReign, i mean bec when i try to add the repo i got error
[06:24] <b0rt> libxorg-sched-yield-hack0
[06:24] <Mena> MepisReign, With apt
[06:24] <dr_willis> i dont see much point in worrying aobut 64bitness at this time. :)
[06:24] <Mena> Dr_willis, ok
[06:24] <Gh0st75> i suppose so, i keep hoping the next lot of OSes will get us closer tho
[06:25] <Mena> MepisReign, i tried to add those
[06:25] <Gh0st75> not getting my macbook til leopard comes out anyway, so got some time to tinker with different distros, not much i can't get workin in Kubuntu so far tho
[06:25] <Mena>     eb http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntu32 ./    deb-src http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntu32 ./
[06:25] <MepisReign> i see, well the repos had been giving some problems lately, why dont you try this http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[06:26] <Mena> MepisReign, ok
[06:26] <sudoroot> hello everyone
[06:26] <b0rt> MepisReign: to generate a source.list?
[06:26] <MepisReign> indeed
[06:27] <sudoroot> can u tell me exactely what i nead to enable in the repository i all ready enabled the universe multiverse what else i nead next?
[06:27] <Gh0st75> so i hear Fawn is goin to be even more user friendly than eft, i gotta admit i'm curious
[06:28] <sudoroot> ghost can u give me help?
[06:28] <Mena> MepisReign, If i tick to include source repositories they would add that right
[06:28] <MepisReign> that is correct b0rt
[06:29] <Gh0st75> i'm still a linux noob but i might be able to help ya google an answer, what's up?
[06:29] <sudoroot> can u guys tell me what else i nead to enable in the repository ?
[06:29] <Gh0st75> for mp3 playback?
[06:29] <yaccin> Gh0st75: feisty IS better then edgy :)
[06:29] <BOBOR> alright now I can see one network in wireless assistant but that one is not mine
[06:29] <BOBOR> so why I cant find my network in wireless assistant?
[06:30] <surgy> sudoroot: rephrase your question
[06:30] <surgy> btw HELLO!!!!!
[06:30] <rinofima> try refresh
[06:30] <Gh0st75> if you're using Kubuntu Edgy Eft (most recent stable release) all you really need to do is open Amarok, it'll set up mp3 playback for you automatically
[06:30] <sudoroot> i did enable universe multiverse  i nead otherthings now like backports canonical ?
[06:30] <Jack111> hi, when my desktop is loading after the login it freezes when it says" loading the kdm/windowmanager". console login works fine, when i do startx i can login to a gnome session, but nautilus won't start.can anyone help?
[06:30] <Gh0st75> that was one of the nice changes they made from Drake to Eft
[06:30] <surgy> sudoroot try backports and double check the restricted
[06:31] <sudoroot> what's canonical for do i nead it?
[06:31] <surgy> jack111: check your xorg?
[06:31] <sudoroot> i u would be so kind to show me what to enable in pastebin so i can copy paste it in kate
[06:31] <sudoroot> if*
[06:31] <surgy> sudoroot: canonicle offers software not normally free, to users of kubuntu/ubuntu
[06:31] <Jack111> i post it ,wait, cos i dont understand surgy
[06:32] <sudoroot> ok then i enable it whit backports
[06:32] <sudoroot> i show u whit paste bin what i got enabled afther
[06:32] <sudoroot> brb
[06:32] <surgy> hack111: that was just a guess your kindof above my head
[06:33] <surgy> sudoroot: you dont need to show me anything bro, just tell  me what your trying to install and i can tell you what repo its in.... maybe
[06:33] <sudoroot> can we be hacked here surgy or risk virus whit out antivirus spyware what ever?
[06:33] <Gh0st75> pfft, i never even ran antivirus when in windoze, never did get a virus
[06:33] <sudoroot> well now im trying to enable backports and canonical
[06:34] <surgy> sudoroot: linux is one of the most secure operating systems in exsistense your chance of being hacked or getiing a virus is below 1%
[06:34] <sudoroot> more safe then bsd?
[06:34] <surgy> i think so, if not they are close
[06:34] <Gh0st75> antivirus is just for people who are click happy and who open executable attachments from people they don't know
[06:35] <sudoroot> well but if we get a windows virus from mail  or whatever here or unix one are we infected?
[06:35] <surgy> sudoroot: you need not worry about viruses, if you just pay a little bit of attention, this isnt windows, linux will not download things behind your back
[06:35] <jhutchins> Gh0st75: If you never ran antivirus software, how do you know you didn't have a virus?
[06:35] <Jack111> surgy i tried the the reconfigure xorg, but doesnt work.i get then the error refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing; freefontpath fpe /usr/share/x11/fonts/misc waiting for xserver to shut down, synaptics device off called. du you need the xorg.conf, shall i post it?
[06:35] <rinofima> the best antivirus is your common sense
[06:35] <Gh0st75> online scans are free, they just won't remove what you have if you have any
[06:35] <sudoroot> i see so no trojan worms to then?
[06:36] <Gh0st75> agreed rinofima
[06:36] <sudoroot> but 99% of virus are written for windows how can they run on linux
[06:36] <surgy> sudoroot: we are immune to windows viruses, the worst case scenerio is you will run a windows virus with wine, then you turn off wine and your all good again
[06:36] <sudoroot> i see
[06:36] <jhutchins> There have been viruses for linux.  The first "worm" was on a unix system.
[06:36] <surgy> jack111: sorry i cant help :(
[06:37] <jhutchins> !fixres | Jack111
[06:37] <ubotu> Jack111: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:37] <Gh0st75> if you're super paranoid, you can use clamav and firestarter, that's the default buntu protection set you can install
[06:37] <jhutchins> Have you read that?
[06:37] <surgy> jhutchins: yes there are viruses, but few and far between, and most of them are for security bugs that have allready been fixed
[06:37] <rinofima> i use avast for linux
[06:38] <ackbahr> Hello! What should I use to run .jad apps?
[06:38] <rinofima> it's free and has a nice gui
[06:38] <sudoroot> i think we should use norton here whit antieverything :D
[06:38] <jhutchins> surgy: Technically those are "exploits", but you're correct, linux viruses are rare, because who's going to write viruses for .01% of the computers out here?
[06:38] <surgy> i dont use anything, i download at random and click everything, and never even one hint of a virus
[06:38] <sudoroot> and then check for trojans
[06:38] <sudoroot> user norton whit antitrojan surgy
[06:38] <jhutchins> I run clamav on the samba server I manage.  Works fine.
[06:38] <jhutchins> I also run norton on each of the windows PC's.
[06:38] <sudoroot> and don't forgett to close netbios and port 139
[06:39] <sudoroot> ahha im joking norton on linux is crazy
[06:39] <sudoroot> it's just i remember windows surgy so i joke on the paranoia we has using it
[06:39] <jhutchins> I run stand-alone firewalls on all my networks, usually linux boxes.
[06:40] <Jack111> jhutchins just reading i alos get with the fpe error the driver error error opening /dev/wacom: invalid argument, (EE) xf86open serial: cannot open device /dev/wacom: no such file or directory, so i shoudl restart the x  with sudo /etc/init.d/?dm from console?
[06:40] <jhutchins> Half-life of an unpatched windows box connected to broadband is less than 20 minutes.
[06:40] <tominglis> hi does anyone know how to get a usb camera built into my laptop's screen working in kubuntu?
[06:40] <surgy> sudoroot: there really is no reason to even worry about viruses or anything
[06:41] <jhutchins> Jack111: I suspect you need to purge your kdmrc file, replace it with a more recent one.
[06:41] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[06:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:41] <surgy> sudoroot: you are in good hands and everyone here want your computer to work amazingly, the better your computer works the more you will tell your friends and the bigger our community gets.... and then we crush MS
[06:41] <jhutchins> Jack111: Some of the xorg files have been moved around recently, which can mess things up if all the video components don't catch the changes.
[06:41] <sudoroot> yes that's my dream surgy death to zionist and m$
[06:41] <jhutchins> surgy: I don't want to crush MS.
[06:42] <jhutchins> surgy: I want MS to continue to make an OS that any idiot can run, and let them have the idiots.
[06:42] <Devineman> out of interest, is there a page where I can see all of the bot commands?
[06:42] <surgy> jhutchins: well ok then we become partners...... whatever
[06:42] <jhutchins> !ubotu | Devineman
[06:42] <ubotu> Devineman: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:42] <Jack111> jhutchins where can i find the kdmrc file and where do i get a recent one?
[06:42] <surgy> jhutchins: good point
[06:42] <Devineman> jhutchins: thanks :)
[06:42] <BOBOR> can someone help me I am desperate
[06:43] <jhutchins> Jack111: I'm a little fuzzy on the kubuntu specifics, but you _could_ remove kdm with --purge, then re-install it.
[06:43] <jhutchins> Or locate kdmrc
[06:43] <surgy> !ask |bubor
[06:43] <ubotu> bubor: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:43] <sudoroot> ok surgy i did enable backports and canonical can u show me command to run kate as sudo?
[06:43] <BOBOR> well I have problem with wifi
[06:43] <jhutchins> Jack111: You may find that there's an updated file installed as kdmrc.new or something.
[06:43] <BOBOR> I can see some networks but not mine
[06:43] <sudoroot> !kate
[06:43] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[06:44] <sudoroot> !kate commands
[06:44] <Gh0st75> anyone know of some good weather applets?
[06:44] <ubotu> kate: advanced text editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 776 kB, installed size 2224 kB
[06:44] <surgy> sudoroot: kdesu kate [directory to file]        so its "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:44] <sudoroot> thanx
[06:44] <Skuller> is xubuntu running xfce?
[06:44] <Gh0st75> yes
[06:44] <Jack111> jhutchins i dualboot, cos linux wireless doesnt work yet.can i reinstall it without internet or install only the kdm it from the kubuntu cd?
[06:44] <surgy> skuller: yes
[06:45] <Skuller> ohh...but it still aint widely used as k or gnome...is it?
[06:45] <Gh0st75> mostly used on older computers
[06:46] <jhutchins> Jack111: Just to be safe I'd download the packages first.
[06:46] <jhutchins> apt-get has a "download only" option: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[06:47] <jhutchins> Jack111: Does ndiswrapper work for you?
[06:47] <jhutchins> !wireless
[06:47] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:48] <jhutchins> BOBOR: That might be of some help to you.
[06:48] <doomnx> hello again guys
[06:48] <Jack111> jhutchins i cannot really login thats the problem, so i cannot really use that
[06:48] <jhutchins> xfce is a nice interface, very non-windows, uses less resources than KDE or Gnome hence better on older hardware.
[06:49] <doomnx> thank god the command u gave me worked
[06:49] <jhutchins> Jack111: How what huh?  You're on IRC.
[06:49] <bruno321> hi
[06:49] <bruno321> could anyone tell me what they have *.deb files associated to? i removed the association
[06:49] <Jack111> yes but from windows jhutchins dualboot
[06:49] <bruno321> and know I can't execute them :\
[06:49] <BluesKaj> i found xfce difficult to manoever around ... too used to windows and kde i guess
[06:49] <surgy> bruno321: thats your packages
[06:49] <BOBOR> jhutchins: I have read that but I didnt find any solution
[06:49] <doomnx> jhutchins remember the lost partition? i had to change the ID to 7 from linux :)
[06:50] <bruno321> surgy: i know, i removed the association on konqueror and now i can't double click them to execute them
[06:50] <surgy> bruno321: you can say .deb is an installer to install packages that you download from thir party sites
[06:50] <surgy> bruno321: might wanna add them back :)
[06:50] <bruno321> yes, that i know
[06:50] <bruno321> surgy: yes, but what program do i have to associate them to?
[06:51] <Jack111> jhutchins i found the kdmrc file, shall i just delete it and hope that after the next login  a new one is created?
[06:51] <Skuller> *. deb dont have any association to debian do they?
[06:51] <surgy> bruno321: i dont know i never wanted to screw with it, its allready perfect defualt
[06:51] <sidnelson> anyone using kate or jedit for code perl or python ?
[06:51] <bruno321> surgy: could you just look it out and tell me what is the default?
[06:51] <surgy> i am
[06:51] <surgy> sidnelson: i use jedit as a full featured python ide
[06:52] <surgy> bruno321: i gotta go
[06:52] <bruno321> ok, thanks anyway
[06:52] <sidnelson> surgy: wich plugins did you install ??
[06:52] <bruno321> anyone, could you just go to konqueror-preferences-file associations-application-xdeb and tell me what you have them associated to?
[06:53] <sudoroot> ok surgy this is what i did if u can check to see if i nead else and modify it for what i nead so i just copy paste it in kate thanx http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7514/
[06:53] <Skuller> bruno321: kpackage
[06:53] <jhutchins> A completely functunial multimedia machine, complete with graphical web browsing, can be set up in linux without ever running a GUI/Windows Manger/Desktop.
[06:53] <Schuenemann> hey, I need help restoring my boot
[06:54] <sudoroot> couse i remember surgy there's a lot of stuff to enable must missing something
[06:54] <bruno321> Skuller: i've put kpackage in there and it says program doesn't exist :\
[06:54] <jhutchins> doomnx: Hm.  I thought we couldn't identify the right partition, but that may have been someone else.  Great though! How'd you figure it out?
[06:55] <Schuenemann> I followed the tutorial at ubuntu's wiki and it did not work
[06:55] <jhutchins> bruno321: Apt, apt-get, dpkg, and aptitude are what you're looking for.
[06:55] <jhutchins> bruno321: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[06:55] <sudoroot> can anyone check  as surgy seems gone if i nead to enable otherthings or im done http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7514/
[06:56] <bruno321> jhutchins: those are command-line, i'm just looking for the default, which should be easily looked out for if someone would, please...
[06:57] <sudoroot> jhutchins can u help me?
[06:57] <Mena__> I think at the end i will use Windows Apps for video editor
[06:57] <sudoroot> i nead to know if i have to enable other things or im fine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7514/
[06:57] <bruno321> found it! Skuller, it was kpckage, not kpackage :)
[06:58] <sudoroot> !it
[06:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:58] <Mena__> Kubuntu developers must see a good soultion for that in the next releases as i guess
[06:58] <T3hWiz0r1> anyone have any ideas why the nvidia drivers im using made the fots extremely large and retarded? and a way to fix it?
[06:58] <jhutchins> Sorry, guys, got to take off for a while.  Back later.
[06:59] <sidnelson> bruno321: brasileiro ??
[06:59] <sudoroot> ok later np
[06:59] <jhutchins> bruno321: Adept.
[06:59] <sudoroot> any one expert here for help?
[06:59] <doomnx> sorry, i disconnected
[06:59] <doomnx> how do i exit the X server?
[06:59] <doomnx> but still to be able to run commands
[07:00] <doomnx> i want to install nvidia driver and it tells me to exit x server
[07:00] <Mena> Kill it
[07:00] <Mena> for the kde system gued
[07:00] <bruno321> sidnelson: uruguayo :P
[07:00] <BOBOR> is there any command with which I can connect to network throught terminal?
[07:01] <Mena> gua*rd
[07:01] <Mena> hehehe
[07:01] <Mena> from*
[07:01] <sidnelson> bruno321: ok
[07:01] <sudoroot> mena hi can u give me a hand whit repository?
[07:01] <waylandbill> doomnx: after you've gotten the driver installed and the xorg.conf changes, just re-start the X server by killing it with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.
[07:02] <doomnx> no i haven't installed it yet
[07:02] <sidnelson> BOBOR: telnet
[07:02] <Mena> i am not sure bec i dont have much experience in any way ask
[07:02] <doomnx> it tells me to do b4 the installation
[07:02] <sudoroot> u there?
[07:02] <Mena> yes
[07:02] <sudoroot> thanx at last
[07:02] <doomnx> u see i downloaded the .run from nvidia.com
[07:02] <BOBOR> sidnelson: telnet and then what?
[07:03] <waylandbill> BOBOR: ssh if there is a sshd daemon running on the other end.
[07:03] <sudoroot> ok i was asking mena if u can check if i nead anything else or im done http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7514/
[07:03] <sudoroot> couse i remember i had to enable more things last time
[07:03] <Mena> sudoroot, i will see it if i can help i will tell you
[07:03] <dennis__> how
[07:03] <sidnelson> BOBOR: what u want to do ?
[07:03] <waylandbill> BOBOR: telnet is insecure and anything sent using it is sent plain text. better to use ssh
[07:03] <sudoroot> thank you
[07:03] <doomnx> is it a good idea to download the dvd version of kubuntu?
[07:04] <BOBOR> sidnelson: conncet to my wireless network
[07:04] <sudoroot> telnet is the best way to get hacked
[07:04] <sidnelson> BOBOR: ok
[07:04] <BOBOR> sidnelson: I can see her only throught terminal
[07:04] <doomnx> will there be a lot of programs so that i won't have to download them?
[07:04] <sudoroot> doommnx my friend find out whit norton security inspector his ip was redirected is that a possible hack?
[07:04] <Skuller> bruno321: oh cool...sorryi cudnt help out much since i myself am very inexperienced in all fields of linux
[07:05] <sidnelson> telnet and netcat works fine in some cases
[07:05] <sudoroot> we got samba and ssh
[07:05] <sudoroot> so much better never us m$ if u can use else
[07:05] <dennis__> can anyone tell me if there is any application with which "I can view only email headers on server" without the message body; then be able to delete the email (spam)?
[07:06] <bruno321> Skuller: it actually didn't work, anyway :D but i've seen that double click - kubuntu package menu - install does it, so I will stick to this method until I find a real solution :P brb
[07:06] <Skuller> doomnx: yes there will be packages on the dvd...lot of them....but i would still recommend getting the CD version and downloading the packages coz that way you get the latest of them
[07:06] <sidnelson> BOBOR: you only see your wireless card in the terminal  ??
[07:06] <sudoroot> mena did u find out anything?
[07:06] <BOBOR> sidnelson: no
[07:06] <sidnelson> BOBOR: try find it in the output of dmesg
[07:06] <waylandbill> dennis__: thunderbird has excellent junk mail controls.
[07:06] <doomnx> Skuller i have got the cd version
[07:07] <doomnx> and i installed from it
[07:07] <Mena> sudoroot, i gues its okay bec you have multivers and universe enabled and the security so what is else i dont know realy
[07:07] <doomnx> but i don't have internet at home
[07:07] <doomnx> so i was wondering if dvd would make things easier
[07:07] <sudoroot> well last time i remember i had to enable lot's of stuff
[07:07] <BOBOR> sidnelson: when I type iwlist eth1 scanning it find my network
[07:07] <Skuller> doomnx: well its ur preference totally....u can download the dvd version and not need to download most packages....good if your on slow internet like me
[07:07] <BOBOR> sidnelson: but in the wireless assistant nope
[07:07] <Skuller> doomnx: easier?
[07:08] <Skuller> doomnx: in what ways?
[07:08] <sudoroot> ok ill install java 6 then and flash 9 mena do i have to select plugins for firefox to ?
[07:08] <Mena> sudoroot, if you had too
[07:08] <Mena> sudoroot, if you will use them
[07:08] <sudoroot> well if they work whit flash 9
[07:09] <tominglis> does anyone know how to solve this?
[07:09] <tominglis> http://librarian.launchpad.net/2121788/Display%20Settings.png
[07:09] <sudoroot> what's the flash 9 called so i get it?
[07:09] <Mena> sudoroot, yes i think
[07:09] <Mena> !flash-player
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <n8k99> sudoroot if you install teh adobe version of flash 9 then it will work with both konqi and firefox
 doomnx: easier? easier than downloading from net cafe and installing later
[07:09] <Mena> here is help
[07:09] <sidnelson> BOBOR: i dont have any problems with wireless card, wich kubuntu version is your box ? ?
[07:10] <Skuller> doomnx: hmm...well obviously
[07:10] <sudoroot> i use just firefox n8
[07:10] <n8k99> it will work there
[07:10] <BOBOR> sidnelson: Edgy Eft 6.10
[07:10] <Mena> for java sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[07:10] <n8k99> it will also work within akregator if you everend up using that
[07:10] <dennis__> is there any application "to view email headers on server" without having to download the entire message?
[07:11] <sudoroot> u know the name of flash 9 in adept mena?
[07:11] <BOBOR> sidnelson: Strange is that I can see different networks in wireless assistant but not just my one
[07:11] <sudoroot> i use adept couse i like gui and im a new user
[07:11] <doomnx> any ideas how to install the .run file that i downloaded from nvidia.com?
[07:11] <Mena> its not there
[07:11] <Mena> you go to adobe.com
[07:11] <Mena> and download it and follow the instruction for the site
[07:12] <Mena> from*
[07:12] <n8k99> download flash from adobe, they have written an installer that makes it easy to do
[07:12] <Mena> yes sure
[07:12] <sudoroot> ok
[07:12] <sudoroot> u advise me java 5 or 6 i got both in adept
[07:12] <Skuller> doomnx: i think in terminal "sh (name of the file.run)
[07:12] <sidnelson> BOBOR: try force wireless configuration o systemsettings
[07:12] <cathal_> does kbuntu use D-BUS or DCOP as default?
[07:13] <dennis__> is there any application "to view email headers on server" without having to download the entire message
[07:13] <Skuller> doomnx: prvided its in ur home/name folder
[07:13] <doomnx> Skuller then it says i need to close the X server first
[07:13] <Mena> 6 its okay i asked befor
[07:13] <sudoroot> perfect
[07:13] <Mena> and i use it
[07:13] <ricky_ds> Hi everybody. I'm using dapper and just read that firefox 1.5 won't get any security updates beyond April 2007. Since Dapper is a LTS, are we finally going to see firefox 2.0 in the repositories??
[07:13] <Skuller> doomnx: k ..no idea den man...
[07:13] <n8k99> dennis__: maybe tinymail?
[07:13] <doomnx> :(
[07:13] <Skuller> sorry
[07:13] <doomnx> thanks anyway
[07:13] <BOBOR> sidnelson: I did that but my wireless usb stick on desktop cant find any network either
[07:13] <sudoroot> mena id love adther i updated to kde 3.5.6 final to make my desktop cool whit beryl i like the matrix desktop look is that hard to do?
[07:13] <sudoroot> afther*
[07:14] <n8k99> !beryl
[07:14] <sidnelson> BOBOR: stranger
[07:14] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:14] <sudoroot> will that be hard n8?
[07:14] <Mena> no
[07:14] <Mena> as i guess if you want beryl
[07:14] <doomnx> bye Skuller
[07:14] <Mena> install it sudo apt-get install beryl  that sdould work
[07:15] <Mena> should*
[07:15] <sudoroot> well if beryl is the best and easyiest to eye candy your desk i use that
[07:15] <Skuller> laterz man doomnx
[07:15] <BOBOR> sidnelson: I guess that I have something bad configured on my desktop because it dont find networks which I can see in wireless assistant
[07:15] <Mena> yes its easy to use and perfect
[07:15] <doomnx> what version is KDE up to now?
[07:15] <sidnelson> BOBOR: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356269&highlight=wireless+usb
[07:16] <n8k99> 3.5.6 is out, KDE4 is in development
[07:16] <doomnx> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Third-KDE-4-Developers-Snapshot-Available-47945.shtml
[07:16] <doomnx> here it says about kde 4
[07:16] <doomnx> dolphin will be the default file browser
[07:17] <n8k99> doomnx: no that is not the case
[07:17] <doomnx> damn... i've just learned konqueror :P
[07:17] <Mena> i guess if you want use kde4 you must be developer bec its not coustmaized yet there no art work as i guess
[07:17] <n8k99> both dolphin and konqueror will be availavle
[07:17] <doomnx> yeah it says so
[07:18] <doomnx> he recently added filemanager Dolphin which will be the default filemanager for KDE. Konqueror will still be available and share much code with Dolphin.
[07:18] <Mena> What is good a bout dolphin
[07:18] <doomnx> the*
[07:18] <Mena> !dolphin
[07:18] <n8k99> doomnx: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/02/konqueror-not-vanishing-news-at-11.html
[07:18] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[07:18] <sudoroot> 3.5.6 final now doom
[07:18] <Gh0st75> if i have kweather installed, how do i access it?
[07:18] <BOBOR> sidnelson: hm thats not my case, on notebook-kubuntu I have intel wireless card and on my desktop usb wireless stick
[07:19] <doomnx> is UT2004 easy to install on kubuntu?
[07:19] <BluesKaj> Mena, I have dolphin but to me it's merely a copy of /home/username
[07:20] <BOBOR> sidnelson: desktop-windows I know that both are working but I just cant find that network under wireless assistant
[07:20] <yaccin> doomnx: yes
[07:20] <n8k99> doomnx: so yes, dolphin will be launched as defualt file manager in KDE4
[07:20] <n8k99> sorry about that- but konqueror will still be a file manager
[07:20] <yaccin> doomnx: copy insta.sh to you homedirectory or desktop or somewhere else and start it
[07:20] <yaccin> follow the instructions on screen
[07:21] <yaccin> thats it
[07:21] <yaccin> ^^
[07:21] <Mena> Blueskaj, hehe ok
[07:22] <sudoroot> i can't find java 6 in adept mena u know where to get it?
[07:22] <sudoroot> im installing 5 now
[07:22] <doomnx> what is ur opinion about automatix 2?
[07:22] <yaccin> dont use it
[07:22] <yaccin> ^^
[07:22] <n8k99> Gh0st75: you can add Kweather as part of the Kontact summary page,  and/or put it on your panel
[07:22] <doomnx> yaccin that was for the drivers?
[07:22] <n8k99> Gh0st75: right-click panel>add applet
[07:22] <sidnelson> BOBOR: xii ... i dont know
[07:22] <Mena> sudoroot, how you enabled the univers and multivers right
[07:23] <sudoroot> yes
[07:23] <sudoroot> can just find 5
[07:23] <yaccin> doomnx: i think so
[07:23] <doomnx> where can i find insta.sh?
[07:23] <BluesKaj> Mena, I'm not being critical of Dolphin ...maybe i don't have it configged correctly .,..that's why i made the comment ...I'm not sure what it's advantages are  ?
[07:23] <yaccin> doomnx: on the UT2K4 DVD
[07:23] <yaccin> or on the first or last CD
[07:23] <Mena> Blueskaj, mee too beleive me i just installed it and pof i removed it
[07:23] <sudoroot> now im installing java 5 and firefox plugin for it
[07:23] <BluesKaj> !Dolphin
[07:23] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[07:23] <Mena> sudoroot, sec plz
[07:23] <sudoroot> ok
[07:24] <doomnx> yaccin ah that was for the ut2k4...
[07:24] <yaccin> yes ^^
[07:24] <sudoroot> !java 6
[07:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java 6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:24] <sudoroot> !java
[07:24] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:24] <doomnx> do u happen to know how to install nvidia drivers?
[07:24] <slyfox> !codecs
[07:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:24] <yaccin> << dolphin 0.8.1
[07:24] <yaccin> o.O
[07:24] <doomnx> yaccin: do u happen to know how to install nvidia drivers?
[07:25] <yaccin> doomnx: "sudo apt-get isntall nvidia-glx"
[07:25] <yaccin> er
[07:25] <yaccin> install
[07:25] <yaccin> not isntall
[07:25] <Gh0st75> bleh, none of the weather apps seem able to detect weather for where i live
[07:25] <doomnx> no, i have downloaded the .run file
[07:25] <yaccin> why?
[07:25] <Gh0st75> i dunno why, vista's weather app worked fine
[07:25] <yaccin> Gh0st75: where do you live?
[07:25] <Gh0st75> Newfoundland
[07:25] <yaccin> oh tried liquidweather++ for superkaramba? ^^
[07:26] <doomnx> that's because it has just been found :P
[07:26] <yaccin> doomnx: why do you need install it from the .run file?
[07:26] <Gh0st75> my city is listed in the kweather app, but the program says no station when i try to update it
[07:26] <doomnx> because i don't have internet connection at home
[07:26] <Gh0st75> i will try installing superkaramba
[07:26] <Mena> sudoroot, did you try to install it with terminal
[07:26] <sergio__> xx
[07:26] <n8k99> Gh0st75: that maybe because the station that reports is offline temporarily
[07:26] <yaccin> doomnx: well if you install it you have the package in /var/cache/apt/ or somthing like that
[07:27] <n8k99> Gh0st75: I live in NYC and occasionally JFK has teh same notice -
[07:27] <doomnx> o don't know how to install it
[07:27] <yaccin> doomnx: then you can burn it with k3b or something :)
[07:27] <MrBaia> hi
[07:27] <doomnx> i*
[07:27] <sudoroot> sorry i diden't enable backports
[07:27] <MrBaia> is there an italian channel abuot kubuntu?
[07:27] <yaccin> doomnx: if you have the .dep-package rightklick > kubuntu package menu > install
[07:27] <n8k99> Gh0st75: so I have a coupl other  stations selected and switch until it comes back up
[07:27] <sudoroot> problem is i used adept to install java 5 and it crashed how can it fix it now mena?
[07:27] <Mena> sudoroot, no prob
[07:27] <yaccin> !it | MrBaia
[07:27] <ubotu> MrBaia: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:28] <doomnx> i have the .run package
[07:28] <Mena> sudoroot, in terminal
[07:28] <sudoroot> i must read before do something big less
[07:28] <sudoroot> ok u know commands
[07:28] <Mena> sudoroot, sudo apt-get check
[07:28] <yaccin> doomnx: the .run package is kinda hard to install...
[07:28] <Gh0st75> k, will check back with the weather thing later then
[07:28] <doomnx> i noticed :P
[07:28] <Mena> sudoroot, sudo apt-get -f install
[07:28] <yaccin> doomnx: whats with the pc you are online now
[07:28] <Mena> sudoroot, if the first doesnt work
[07:28] <yaccin> running kubuntu on it?
[07:28] <doomnx> this is internet cafe pc :P
[07:28] <yaccin> oh ok
[07:29] <yaccin> then one moment ^^
[07:29] <sudoroot> both locked
[07:29] <sudoroot> damn i new i would crash system
[07:29] <sudoroot> u advise me to reinstall kubuntu?
[07:29] <Mena> sudoroot, heheh dont wory
[07:29] <yaccin> doomnx: edgy?
[07:29] <Mena> sudoroot, no no no why
[07:29] <doomnx> yaccin yeah
[07:29] <sudoroot> ok hope i can solve
[07:30] <Mena> sudoroot, did you try with sudo
[07:30] <sudoroot> yes
[07:30] <Mena> sudoroot, ok
[07:30] <sudoroot> problem java install is stuck at78% must kill it
[07:30] <sudoroot> we do kill all command?
[07:30] <Mena> sudoroot, i dont knwo i guess not
[07:30] <doomnx> is there a file that i can download and install it easier? i have usb disc with me
[07:30] <Mena> sudoroot, ohhhhhhh
[07:30] <sudoroot> !java
[07:30] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:31] <sudoroot> u see i must read
[07:31] <Mena> sudoroot, you are runnig now an installing
[07:31] <Mena> sudoroot, wait until finih
[07:31] <sudoroot> it crashed
[07:31] <Mena> finish*
[07:31] <Mena> sudoroot, sure
[07:31] <sudoroot> couse i used adept for java 5
[07:31] <sudoroot> so how i remove java and fix adept now?
[07:31] <doomnx> why when i try to shut down the PC from linux it appears an out of range message on my LCD?
[07:31] <Mena> sudoroot, okay close adept
[07:32] <sudoroot> done
[07:32] <sudoroot> now?
[07:32] <Mena> sudoroot, done what
[07:32] <Mena> sudoroot, install
[07:32] <sudoroot> closed
[07:32] <Mena> sudoroot, iok
[07:32] <Mena> sudoroot, sudo apt-get check
[07:32] <sudoroot> btw it won't open anymore as it crashed
[07:32] <Mena> hmmmmmm
[07:32] <yaccin> doomnx: hmmm i only have the package for feisty :/
[07:32] <sudoroot> im locked
[07:32] <sudoroot> command dosen't worjk
[07:32] <doomnx> yaccin
[07:32] <sampan> !adeptfix
[07:32] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:33] <yaccin> oh anyone knows why hibernate and suspend arent working? :(
[07:33] <doomnx> can i find some package like the exe in windows to pass it to my usb drive and install it at home?
[07:33] <Mena> sampan, thanks i will add this to the tips list heheh
[07:33] <yaccin> doomnx: sure, theres a .deb file but i only have the wrong version
[07:33] <sampan> mena :D  np
[07:33] <doomnx> can i find it online?
[07:33] <doomnx> some site?
[07:33] <Mena> i advise you also sudoroot to add this commands on list
[07:33] <yaccin> doomnx: maybe
[07:33] <Mena> :)
[07:34] <matt____> greetings.  does anyone have a suggestion as to where to get a S3 Prosavage8 driver?
[07:34] <doomnx> u know any url?
[07:34] <sudoroot> ok did the sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:34] <sudoroot> maby it fixed
[07:34] <sudoroot> let me check
[07:34] <egyn> Hello, i've installed edgy eft 6.10 to an onld amd k6 450 mhz. my problem is that when I try to shutdown the computer there is a hd-spindown but no real powerdown
[07:34] <Mena> ok
[07:34] <yaccin> doomnx: currently searching ^^
[07:34] <doomnx> btw why does a message appear every time i try to shutdown saying out of range?
[07:34] <egyn> i have connected a network card with WOL capabilities
[07:34] <doomnx> ok yaccin thanks a lot
[07:34] <egyn> anyone know what might cause this problem?
[07:34] <doomnx> i am TEH newbie :D
[07:34] <sudoroot> ok
[07:35] <sudoroot> adept still won't open but i did kill the process
[07:35] <doomnx> and i thought after 6 years working on windows i knew about pcs :P
[07:35] <sudoroot> the command to remove java 5 now?
[07:35] <Mena> sudoroot, do this first
[07:35] <Mena> sudoroot, sudo apt-get check
[07:36] <Mena> sudoroot, to see if there somethings like that
[07:36] <sudoroot> im all ready root i use sudo anyway?
[07:36] <Mena> sudoroot, use but i gues you cant be root
[07:36] <sudoroot> tells me to do apt-get f install to correct now
[07:36] <steve__> join #ubuntuusers
[07:36] <Mena> okay do
[07:37] <ubuntu> #datax
[07:37] <sudoroot> ok now it's installing java
[07:37] <sudoroot> how do u select ok on it?
[07:37] <Mena> mean
[07:38] <Jack111> hi jhutchins i belive the problem is a missing /var/cache/debconf/config.dat file, how can i restore thAT FILE?
[07:38] <Mena> let it just finish and after thatremove it from the apt-get
[07:38] <Mena> if you want to remove
[07:38] <sudoroot> i read the terms went all down but im not able to select ok on java now mena
[07:38] <Mena> ohhh prees ok
[07:38] <keith> ! ddns | compilerwriter
[07:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ddns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <yaccin> doomnx: which graphics card?
[07:39] <Mena> how
[07:39] <doomnx> omg everything else in this net cafe is either playing counter strike or mu online
[07:39] <Mena> prees tab
[07:39] <sudoroot> ok done
[07:39] <doomnx> geforce 6800
[07:39] <Mena> then you will be on the bottom ok
[07:39] <sudoroot> ill use java 5 then or u advise me 6?
[07:39] <Mena> its okay
[07:39] <keith> !no-ip
[07:39] <Mena> but if you want 6 remove 5
[07:39] <ubotu> no-ip: A second-generation Linux client for dynamic DNS service. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 128 kB
[07:39] <sudoroot> hey thanx much for help
[07:40] <sudoroot> how do i check java version now?
[07:40] <Mena> sudoroot, no pro and take this list you might need it
[07:41] <matt____> anyone know where I can get a driver for a Prosavage8 ?
[07:41] <sudoroot> what list?
[07:41] <Mena> sec pl
[07:41] <yaccin> doomnx: you have the buntu-cd?
[07:41] <yaccin> *kubuntu cd
[07:41] <doomnx> yeah
[07:41] <doomnx> i386
[07:41] <yaccin> ok
[07:41] <yaccin> then query ^^
[07:41] <doomnx> ?
[07:42] <sudoroot> !beryl
[07:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:42] <doomnx> oh :)
[07:42] <sudoroot> !install beryl
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install beryl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <yaccin> doomnx: 32 bit?
[07:42] <heinkel_111> does anyone know what happened to kubuntuforums.net?
[07:42] <n8k99> sudoroot: sudo apt-get install beryl
[07:42] <doomnx> yeah 32
[07:42] <posingaspopular> heinkel_111: it's just down
[07:43] <doomnx> i can't reply u back
[07:43] <doomnx> :o
[07:43] <Gh0st75> n8k99 i just tried that command and it couldn't find package beryl
[07:43] <sudoroot> can't find it says
[07:43] <sudoroot> must not have it in repos
[07:43] <jhutchins> doomnx: So I missed how you found and recovered your partition.
[07:44] <sudoroot> i nead commands to remove programs mena so i write me down
[07:44] <doomnx> jhutchins hi again
[07:44] <n8k99> Gh0st75: do you have all yor repos open?
[07:44] <doomnx> how are u? :)
[07:44] <sudoroot> for example to remove java 5 if i want 6 and rest
[07:44] <doomnx> i said: i changed the id to 7
[07:44] <Gh0st75> possibly not
[07:44] <doomnx> from 80something
[07:44] <Mena> sudo apt-get remove (app)
[07:44] <jhutchins> doomnx: Yeah, but how did you figure that out?
[07:44] <doomnx> oh
[07:44] <n8k99> Gh0st75: you'll need to do that to get beryl
[07:44] <doomnx> i entered here yesterday
[07:45] <doomnx> with the fdisk -l log
[07:45] <jhutchins> 86/87, that's right.
[07:45] <Mena> sudoroot, take this list http://pastebin.com/888698
[07:45] <Gh0st75> any particular repo i need?
[07:45] <sudoroot> thanx
[07:45] <Mena> sudoroot, its might help you
[07:45] <Mena> Welcome :)
[07:45] <doomnx> and some guy stdin
[07:45] <yaccin> doomnx: hope this one will work :)
[07:45] <doomnx> told me how to correct it
[07:45] <jhutchins> Gh0st75: Did you get the bot link on beryl?
[07:45] <doomnx> yaccin thanks a lot
[07:45] <n8k99> Gh0st75: iirc multiverse- but i'd open them all
[07:45] <doomnx> why can't i reply in pm?
[07:45] <sudoroot> !kde 3.5.6
[07:45] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:45] <n8k99> !repos
[07:45] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:46] <doomnx> yaccin one moment
[07:46] <yaccin> doomnx: because you are not registered ^^
[07:46] <n8k99> doomnx: because you need to register your nick on the server
[07:46] <Mena> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main    and this deb-src http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main  for beryl
[07:46] <sudoroot> ahah i really love linux
[07:46] <Mena> add them
[07:46] <doomnx> u mean i insert the kubuntu CD-ROM and then i do all this stuff? :)
[07:46] <oni> !help
[07:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:46] <sudoroot> where u from mena asl?
[07:46] <doomnx> okay i got it i am unregistered :o
[07:47] <oni> !apt
[07:47] <sudoroot> here rome italy 28 m
[07:47] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:47] <Mena> heheheh for egypt- cairo
[07:47] <Mena> m
[07:47] <Mena> there is a private chat you know :)
[07:48] <Mena> but must register
[07:48] <n8k99> !offtopic
[07:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:48] <Mena> heheh
[07:48] <Mena> from*
[07:49] <matt____> can anyone PLEASE help me find a video driver?
[07:49] <sudoroot> is kubuntu feisty out yet mena?
[07:49] <sudoroot> the new one i mean
[07:50] <Mena> sudoroot, yes but beta
[07:50] <jason___> alguin que me ayude ????????????????? help please
[07:50] <Mena> sudoroot, it will be out the stable in April
[07:50] <sudoroot> damn adept still won't open
[07:50] <n8k99> feisty is still Alpha
[07:50] <jason___> soy primeriso y no puedo instalar un chat en mi kubuntu
[07:50] <sudoroot> i use pclinuxos just on kubuntu couse im wating 2007 but love the comunity
[07:50] <n8k99> !it
[07:50] <Mena> sudoroot, try one more time bec adept had a bug on opeining
[07:50] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[07:51] <jason___> alguin habla espaol
[07:51] <jason___> ????????????????????
[07:51] <n8k99> !es
[07:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:51] <doomnx> do u think i need drivers for my soundcard too?
[07:51] <sudoroot> i nead to change my root and log in pass now
[07:51] <sudoroot> is there a easy gui way to do that?
[07:52] <Mena> sudoroot, you cant change you root
[07:52] <sudoroot> for adept i think i must reboot
[07:52] <Mena> sudoroot, you had a seperate user
[07:52] <Mena> yes stuff like that use root
[07:52] <sudoroot> i remember i could update my rootpassword
[07:52] <sudoroot> from shell
[07:53] <Mena> i dont know from shell but form kcontrol
[07:53] <Mena> if you chaged you user pass you will change root also
[07:53] <sudoroot> yes i would like to change both is that possible?
[07:54] <Mena> go here
[07:54] <sudoroot> i remember like passw update command something like that
[07:54] <Mena> alt+f2
[07:54] <Mena> then kcontrol
[07:54] <Mena> then Security and privacy
[07:55] <Mena> then change
[07:55] <Mena> :0
[07:55] <Mena> :)
[07:55] <sudoroot> ok thanx
[07:55] <sudoroot> your asl mena?
[07:55] <Mena> and by the way i am 16
[07:56] <sudoroot> yes was curius to know your location
[07:56] <sudoroot> im rome italy 28 m
[07:57] <Mena> i am from Egypt do you it
[07:57] <Mena> know*
[07:57] <sudoroot> yes of course
[07:57] <Mena> ok
[07:57] <sudoroot> muslim?
[07:57] <Mena> no christian
[07:57] <sudoroot> hindu buddhist
[07:58] <Feyr> hey guys. i just installed kubuntu and the gtk/qt file chooser seem to filter and show only /home and /media. any idea where this filter is defined?
[07:58] <sudoroot> vegetarian :D
[07:58] <n8k99> Mena: sudoroot !offtopic
[07:58] <jhutchins> Anybody have any opinions regarding kde 3.5.4 vs .5 vs .6?
[07:58] <sudoroot> HI N8
[07:58] <Mena> ok
[07:58] <n8k99> thanks
[07:58] <n8k99> jhutchins depends upon which release of kubuntu you are on
[07:59] <sudoroot> where u sended me mena says change password will that change both root and log in passes?
[07:59] <doomnx> i am greek, 18 male, nice to meet u all :)
[07:59] <jhutchins> n8k99: I would assume that since I'm asking, it's one of the ones that .6 is available for.  Let's say edgy.
[08:00] <Mena> heheheh i think we will turn know form asking and answer to chatting heheheh
[08:00] <n8k99> edgy has 3.5.5 by default you can upgrade to 3.5.6 which has some new features in it
[08:00] <doomnx> Konversation terminated lol
[08:00] <Mena> n8k99, What is the diffrence bettween PCLinuxOs and Kubuntu
[08:01] <Mena> any idea
[08:01] <doomnx> this is just Kool :)
[08:01] <sudoroot> yes
[08:01] <n8k99> Kubuntu is an official Canonical supported version of Ubuntu
[08:01] <sudoroot> pclinuxos has everything in it for everyday use and it's simply radical
[08:01] <sudoroot> best distro ever
[08:01] <jhutchins> Mena: Check distrowatch.com
[08:01] <sudoroot> i use that mena
[08:02] <Mena> ok
[08:02] <n8k99> AFAIK PCLinuxOS has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[08:02] <sudoroot> try 2007 out soon in few days and u will see linux power 100%
[08:02] <jhutchins> Mena: Different distributions have different packages, settings, and support options.
[08:02] <jay> nxhtml mode has lots bindings with it for different element insertions
[08:02] <jay> much better than just plain ol nxml-mode
[08:02] <Mena> ok
[08:03] <sudoroot> not only it comes whit every video audio codecs in it latest software but is the moast simple distro to use ever and has for now over 5000 packets
[08:03] <jhutchins> n8k99: Would you say stability in 3.5.6 is pretty good?  It came out pretty soon after 3.5.5.
[08:03] <sudoroot> the best distros for desktop i would say are pclinuxos 1 2 simply mepis 3 mandriva 4 kubuntu
[08:04] <n8k99> jhutchihs:well, i use it on feisty as it is default ( traditional caveats about running alpha versions)
[08:04] <jay> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/NxhtmlMode
[08:04] <dhq> anyone uses mldonkey here
[08:04] <sudoroot> soon pclinuxos will replace ubuntu i think mena
[08:04] <n8k99> jhutchins: but i did try it out on edgy and found it to be fairly nice
[08:04] <sudoroot> it's all ready 2 to it
[08:04] <Mena> sudoroot, but ubuntu is great also
[08:05] <sudoroot> yes the comunity that is the more close to linux socialist spirit and the best
[08:05] <BluesKaj> sudoroot, i tried pclinux & mandriva .. kubuntu is much easier and less buggy to use
[08:05] <sudoroot> but distro is lower then pclinuxos and mepis
[08:05] <sudoroot> see 2007 blues
[08:05] <dhq> where can i can get mldonkey core
[08:05] <sudoroot> just wait and get stunned
[08:05] <BluesKaj> in my experience , sudoroot
[08:05] <Mena> sudoroot, but also PcLinux uses rpm packages not .deb this is one of the distadvantages
[08:05] <kiko> hi, anybody with experience on installing kubuntu on an imac?
[08:05] <jhutchins> n8k99: Another source says "mostly bugfixes", so I guess it's time I moved.
[08:06] <sudoroot> mepis is buggy and old but good for old pc's but the 2007 of pclinuxos will be something never seen before u can try beta now from site
[08:06] <jhutchins> n8k99: Doing .4 to .5 now, I'll make sure that's clean then go for .6.
[08:06] <sudoroot> mena it uses both
[08:06] <n8k99> yeah- i'm sorry i was wrong saying that there were new features jhutchins
[08:06] <sudoroot> on pclinuxos u can use deb snypetic if u want to
[08:06] <BluesKaj> sudoroot, 2007 what ?
[08:06] <sudoroot> pclinuxos 2007 out soon
[08:07] <Feyr> hey guys, any idea about my file chooser trouble?
[08:07] <sudoroot> we all waiting for it
[08:07] <Mena> sudoroot, i didint know that
[08:07] <sudoroot> heeh
[08:07] <n8k99> jhutchins: i was think of amarok 144 which is when the magnatune music store was included
[08:07] <n8k99> amarok 144 runs on 356
[08:07] <sudoroot> pclinuxos get's his repos from rpm and deb so can be both at sametime
[08:07] <sudoroot> plus has fedora and ubuntu 3d desktop effects
[08:07] <BluesKaj> pclinux doesn't 'do hardware' very well , IMO
[08:07] <jay> see xhtml-mode in action here http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/EmacsW32-only/src/EmacsW32/nxml/nxhtml/doc/nxhtml.html
[08:07] <sudoroot> hehe wait 2007
[08:08] <dhq> !mldonkey
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mldonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:08] <sudoroot>     * Kernel 2.6.18.6-dev5
[08:08] <neoncode> How unstable is the KDE4 development snapshot right now?
[08:08] <sudoroot>     * KDE 3.5.6 final
[08:08] <sudoroot>     * Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.1
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Flash 9
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.9
[08:09] <n8k99> neoncode: it is only recommended for developers
[08:09] <BluesKaj> well then goto pclinux if ya want but that makes it offtopic here :)
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Open Office 2.1.0
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Xorg 7.1
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Beryl (1.99), Compiz, Aixgl and Xgl for 3D graphics support
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Gcc 4.1.1 and updated glibc
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Updated bootsplash, icons, and more from the mypclinuxos.com beautification project.
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Xdg Menu system
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Rebuild and update of our entire repository against new gcc and glibc
[08:09] <sudoroot>     * Simplified Livecd boot options.
[08:09] <sudoroot> this is just few fetures of what it will have
[08:09] <sudoroot> i use kubuntu till 2007
[08:09] <chavo> neoncode, if you're not a developer it's not worth installing
[08:09] <neoncode> n8k99: I know that.
[08:09] <BluesKaj> thx fdoving
[08:09] <fdoving> !paste | sudoroot
[08:09] <ubotu> sudoroot: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:09] <sudoroot> ok sorry i was off topic
[08:10] <jhutchins> neoncode: I would only consider kde4 on a VMWare or other virtual install.
[08:10] <neoncode> jhutchins: Apparently it can run alongside KDE3.
[08:10] <phobiac> im running a live cd and i need to mount a partition that isnt in fstab, what do i do to add it?
[08:10] <BluesKaj> nothing great there that kubuntu doesn't have
[08:10] <n8k99> neoncode: or on a spare machine
[08:10] <jhutchins> neoncode: Well, sorta, yeah.
[08:10] <sudoroot> btw ubuntu will remain example comunity and man for mark and the os distro pclinuxos 2007
[08:10] <doomnx> does anyone know why when kubuntu shuts down monitor shows out of range error message?
[08:10] <sudoroot> to close topic
[08:10] <neoncode> jhutchins: sorta?
[08:10] <ant1matter> im running on amd64 - is it necessary to install 64bit application such as firefox? whats the benefit?
[08:11] <chavo> neoncode, it doesn't really run
[08:11] <phobiac> Anyone? :(
[08:11] <HymnToLife> ant1matter, I suggest you install a 32 bit Ubuntu
[08:12] <ant1matter> HymnToLife: why?
[08:12] <HymnToLife> the performance gain from running 64 bit is very low
[08:12] <Mena> Thanks friends :)
[08:12] <HymnToLife> but the software compatibility loss can be significant
[08:12] <binks> can someone point me to a tutorial on howto setup eclipse and python on kubuntu
[08:12] <neoncode> Owtch. Well against my better judgment I'll have a look arround anyway. the worst I can do is a total crap up and I was planing to format this HD soon anyway.
[08:12] <HymnToLife> binks, Python is there by default (Ubuntu itself uses it quite much), don't know about eclipse
[08:12] <ant1matter> HymnToLife: cant i just use the 32bit libs?
[08:13] <jhutchins> neoncode: If you know what you're doing, you can run different versions of most things on the same linux root, but it can be confusing and troublesome.
[08:13] <HymnToLife> ant1matter, yes but imo it's too much hassle and not worth it
[08:13] <Mena> Darb, thanks
[08:13] <binks> HymnToLife: i have python its the eclipse setup i need
[08:13] <HymnToLife> I just go with a 32 bit ubuntu
[08:13] <Mena> sudoroot, thanks
[08:13] <n8k99> !eclipse
[08:13] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB
[08:13] <neoncode> And I most certanly don't know what I'm doing....
[08:13] <ant1matter> HymnToLife: so basically windows is the only thing to fully takes advantage of 64bit? thats really unfortunate
[08:14] <HymnToLife> ant1matter, have you run Windows 64 bit ?
[08:14] <binks> ihave eclipse installed its the interpretter setup im stuck on
[08:14] <doomnx> HymnToLife hail :D
[08:14] <jhutchins> HymnToLife: ant1matter: I did some searching on google though, and there are a lot of workarounds.  xine and mplayer work with the w32codec type files now.
[08:14] <ant1matter> HymnToLife: nope
[08:14] <soulrider> hi
[08:14] <HymnToLife> ant1matter, it you had, you'd have seen it's a joke
[08:14] <sudoroot> mena im not able to install flash player from site what's the name of 9 in adept?
[08:14] <HymnToLife> the performance gain is very close to zero
[08:14] <sudoroot> welcome
[08:15] <n8k99> binks no clue here, i use KDevelop
[08:15] <xpoint> ant1matter: windows and 64bit is like basic on a pentium4
[08:15] <HymnToLife> using 64 bit on a desktop makes no sense
[08:15] <jhutchins> antisystem32: Linux's 64b software is far more advanced than windows, but mostly in areas other than the entertainment desktop.
[08:15] <n8k99> sudoroot flash 9 is_ not_ in adept
[08:15] <HymnToLife> !flash9
[08:15] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[08:15] <binks> n8k99: does kdevelop do python
[08:15] <n8k99> binks yes
[08:15] <jhutchins> antisystem32: For instance, if you were into modeling the crustals stresses of neutron stars, you wouldn't be using windows64.
[08:16] <binks> n8k99: out of the box so to say
[08:16] <jhutchins> antisystem32: Sorry, that was to antimatter, who I guess it's gone.
[08:16] <ant1matter> ok so then i ask whats the benefit of getting 64 bit systems whatsoever?
[08:16] <n8k99> binks: KDevelop Multilanguage
[08:16] <chavo> neoncode, there are debs of the kde4 development release
[08:16] <xpoint> HymnToLife: still on 32bit ubuntu ? :-)
[08:16] <neoncode> chavo: I know, that's what I'm installing.
[08:17] <HymnToLife> xpoint, I haven't been using Ubuntu for years
[08:17] <binks> just apt ing it now
[08:17] <HymnToLife> 32 bits Debian here
[08:17] <n8k99> binks: it also enables you to use Qt-Py bindings to write python code for KDE
[08:17] <HymnToLife> and 64 bit Ubuntu on my webserver
[08:17] <chavo> neoncode, ok it won't mess your system up it installs into it's own directory
[08:17] <chavo> neoncode, I've got 3 KDEs on here
[08:17] <doomnx> guys
[08:17] <neoncode> chavo: Why 3?
[08:17] <binks> n8k99: any good tutorials on getting started with gui programming
[08:17] <xpoint> HymnToLife: then stop saying anything about 64bit when you just not self use 64bit
[08:18] <HymnToLife> I have used it maybe more than you
[08:18] <ant1matter> xpoint: you use 64bit?
[08:18] <n8k99> http://developer.kde.org binks
[08:18] <doomnx> i read on Total XakeR that XviD compression is way faster in linux due to... some cluster thing
[08:18] <doomnx> is that right?
[08:18] <chavo> THe kubuntu one, KDE 3.5.6 built from source and the KDE 4 snapshot
[08:18] <HymnToLife> and if someone needs 32bit only apps
[08:18] <HymnToLife> installing it can be a pain and is definitely not worth the hassle
[08:18] <HymnToLife> my opinion, whether you like it or not xhanges nothing
[08:20] <ant1matter> xpoint: you have any problems running 32bit apps?
[08:20] <xpoint> ant1matter: no
[08:21] <ant1matter> xpoint: is 32bit apps on a 64bit system slower than 32bit on a 32bit system?
[08:21] <xpoint> ant1matter: no
[08:22] <RobNyc> Anyone here using ATI X1600 or similar I am trying to find out how good U/Kubuntu works with it and with 3d desktop
[08:22] <ant1matter> xpoint: cool. are there any places i can read about getting required 32lib? ive spent too much time getting this system up and im losing money so i would opt not to reinstall.
[08:22] <binks> n8k99: can i run the python app from inside kdevelop
[08:22] <azalar> anyone know why the Automatix site is down?
[08:22] <xpoint> ant1matter: compile glibc with 64bit and 32bit done
[08:23] <n8k99> binks binks i'm not certain
[08:23] <xpoint> ant1matter: and most important use gcc 4
[08:23] <ant1matter> xpoint: ok - last question. are there repos any different? When I installed kubuntu it packed the basic repos but in the sources.list i see no mention of 64bit
[08:23] <n8k99> binks i think you can for debugging purposed\s
[08:24] <binks> n8k99: cheers ill read up now thanks alot
[08:24] <xpoint> ant1matter: this is a ubuntu problem i dont have on gentoo
[08:24] <n8k99> binks no problem
[08:25] <ant1matter> xpoint: i used to run gentoo a while back - i miss the repositoris. Their dependency management is unsurpassed as far as im concerned
[08:26] <xpoint> ant1matter: its still you that have a problem i don't have
[08:26] <BluesKaj> where are these ppl pushing other distros coming from ?
[08:26] <soulrider> ant1matter: i tried gentoo... but it wa so complicated to install
[08:26] <soulrider> i dont think i even got to install xorg lol
[08:27] <BluesKaj> gentoo is the linux hiend learning curve ...once you manage to install it ...you've arrived ...whre i dunno but ppl seem to think it's something great
[08:28] <xpoint> BluesKaj: newer succeded to run gentoo ?
[08:29] <BluesKaj> never tried , xpoint
[08:29] <BluesKaj> I was warned off due to my noob status :)
[08:29] <soulrider> BluesKaj: im a n00b
[08:29] <hellcattrav> hey when i type in the console sudo aptitude updateit says temporary failure resolving "us.archive.ubuntu.com  for all of the sources list(at least i think its the sources list)
[08:29] <soulrider> but i still tried
[08:30] <xpoint> BluesKaj: altleast stop saying its bad then, but i admit its faster to install ubuntu, but ubuntu is slower to manage when installed then gentoo is
[08:30] <BluesKaj> it was a while ago , maybe i could manage now ...dunno
[08:30] <soulrider> xpoint: dont you have to compile EVERYTHING in gentoo ?
[08:31] <xpoint> soulrider: yes i do, and i see no problem in it
[08:31] <BluesKaj> xpoint, newver said it was "bad", just difficult
[08:31] <soulrider> i can timagine how much fun it must be to compile KDE :P
[08:32] <xpoint> soulrider: its less waste then windows vista 64bit
[08:33] <hellcattrav> firefox crashes when i go to yaoo
[08:33] <hellcattrav> yahoo*
[08:34] <xpoint> don't go to yahoo then :-)
[08:35] <hellcattrav> thats an example..firefox crashes when i go to anypage it seems like
[08:35] <hellcattrav> and i have to check my email too
[08:35] <bfdhud> So I installed compiz by following the guide on go-compiz. However when I run compiz-tray-icon I get a command not found
[08:35] <bfdhud> how do you start compiz in KDE
[08:35] <dawn> Bonsoir
[08:38] <BluesKaj> !fr | dawn
[08:38] <ubotu> dawn: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:38] <elyon225> I'm looking to install some other distros on my system using my current /home/ partition.  Is there a good website that details how to do this effectively?
[08:38] <Skrot> How can I add another user to my kubuntu system that's allowed to do the same as my current user?
[08:39] <Skrot> E.g sudo etc
[08:39] <doomnx> ok guys
[08:39] <doomnx> i got to go now
[08:39] <doomnx> if i need anything else about kubuntu (i will for sure) i will come back
[08:39] <Cugel> skrot: sudo adduser?
[08:39] <doomnx> thanks for all the help
[08:39] <doomnx> byez
[08:39] <Skrot> Cugel: okay
[08:40] <Cugel> I recommend 'man adduser' for additional info.
[08:40] <chavo> elyon225, the only thing you may run into is that some distros start the uid at a different number
[08:41] <hellcattrav> does anyone why firefox would keep crashing?
[08:41] <elyon225> chavo: All I would need to do, though, is create a new user to use /home/ as it's home folder, right?
[08:41] <dwidmann> hellcattrav: sure, I do believe we call that a bug.
[08:41] <hellcattrav> yes
[08:42] <hellcattrav> dwidmann: and now I'm trying to fix said bug
[08:42] <chavo> elyon225, some distros start the uid at 500 and some at 1000, so you need to change your uid before you can access your files
[08:42] <bfdhud> how do you start compiz in KDE
[08:42] <dwidmann> elyon225: you don't even neccessarily need to create a new user, so long as the UID is the same. You might want to have seperate users though, your call
[08:43] <elyon225> chavo: That's simple enough... but will I run into problems with certain settings?  For example, ~/.kde/ and such?  Or should I definitely create a new user (such as elyon-redhat, etc.)?
[08:44] <jhutchins> bfdhud: No idea, but:
[08:44] <chavo> elyon225, no as long as the uid is the same there will be no problems
[08:44] <jhutchins> !beryl | bfdhud
[08:44] <ubotu> bfdhud: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:44] <bfdhud> Thx Jhutchins
[08:44] <jhutchins> beryl is the open project derived from Novell's compiz
[08:45] <dwidmann> elyon225: You probably won't run into any trouble ... Use a different user if you want to play with unstable software though, just in case eh?
[08:45] <bfdhud> jhutchins, I already have it setup and installed. but on KDE compiz-tray-icon isnt installed
[08:45] <chavo> elyon225, maybe create a different user during the install then you can easily create the user with your uid and name from kubuntu
[08:46] <bfdhud> jhutchins so I don't know the actualy command to get it kickstarted
[08:46] <elyon225> chavo, dwidmann:  Alright... thank you.  Just looking to see if I can adapt to other distros as they come along... although I'm eagerly looking forward to trying Feisty :)
[08:46] <epimeth> hi all!
[08:46] <chavo> elyon225, I've been using the same /home for years and a few distros
[08:47] <chavo> even gone through a couple of hardrives
[08:47] <jhutchins> bfdhud: Like I said, nfi here, but I thought you started it from the login manager (kdm).
[08:47] <hellcattrav> hi
[08:47] <bfdhud> let me check
[08:47] <hellcattrav> anyone know how i might fix the firefox bug?
[08:47] <elyon225> chavo: Well, my biggest concern is that every time I've installed a new distro but kept the same /home/... I've had to spend a LOT of time resetting permissions for myself and the other users... pain in the butt.
[08:47] <hellcattrav> its crashign everytimei go firefox, and just about every other page
[08:48] <epimeth> I want to clean install my system... been screwing with it a bit too much for my liking, but I only downloaded 6.06 dapper... is there a cd I can download with only the changed files?  or do I need to download the entire edgy disk?
[08:48] <chavo> elyon225, that's because your uid's were differrent
[08:48] <elyon225> hellcattrav: You could start by trying to reinstall it.
[08:48] <elyon225> chavo: Even when simply reinstalling Ubuntu, though...
[08:48] <chavo> I went through the same thing, until I discovered the different uid
[08:48] <BluesKaj> can someone pls tell me what advantage Dolphin has over /home/user ?
[08:49] <hellcattrav> elyon225: i ran from the command line aptitude install firefox and got 0 was installed, 0 was updated and 2 not upgraded
[08:49] <chavo> you could always do a sudo chown user.user * -R also
[08:49] <jhutchins> hellcattrav: All we know is "it keeps crashing".  Since that happens in firefox, it's not enough to go on.
[08:49] <hellcattrav> ok
[08:49] <elyon225> chavo: That's what I've been having to do.
[08:49] <elyon225> hellcattrav: Try this: sudo apt-get remove firefox
[08:49] <elyon225> hellcattrav: Then, sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:49] <elyon225> :)
[08:50] <jhutchins> hellcattrav: Add --purge too!
[08:50] <jhutchins> On the remove.
[08:50] <chavo> well the oldest file I see in my ~ is .bash_logout from 2004 but I know there's some older stuff lurking in there
[08:50] <BluesKaj> hellcattrav, open a terminal type firefox and watch the output when FF crashes , then post it in pastebin
[08:50] <dwidmann> Back up your bookmarks before doing the purge .....
[08:50] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: I like the R&R first for him.
[08:51] <hellcattrav> ok
[08:51] <jhutchins> dwidmann: D'Oh!  Yeah.
[08:51] <hellcattrav> ive no bookmarks to woryy bout
[08:51] <hellcattrav> !paste
[08:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:51] <oni> hello all
[08:52] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7521/
[08:53] <dwidmann> hellcattrav: those are nothings
[08:53] <oni> i have a problem with my kubuntu fresh install. it doesnt recognize the wireless card.i can not connect to internet. can i find the drivers. if yes where can i find them and how can i install them because i'm new to linux and do not know what to do
[08:53] <dwidmann> You'll get those every time you open any X app
[08:54] <hellcattrav> dwidmann: well thats what i got when i hit firefox, ill try it again and then go to yahoo, see what happens
[08:55] <oni> i have a problem with my kubuntu fresh install. it doesnt recognize the wireless card.i can not connect to internet. can i find the drivers. if yes where can i find them and how can i install them because i'm new to linux and do not know what to do
[08:55] <BluesKaj> !wireless | oni
[08:55] <ubotu> oni: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:55] <jhutchins> !wifi | oni
[08:55] <chavo> hellcattrav, those come from the extra unused Input Device sections in xorg.conf
[08:55] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7522/
[08:55] <oni> blueskaj: i found and downloaded them but do not know ho to install
[08:55] <chavo> such as the stylus and eraser
[08:55] <oni> them
[08:55] <jhutchins> Whoops.
[08:56] <binks> n8k99: kdevelop is cool cheers bud
[08:57] <dwidmann> hellcattrav: try starting firefox with the --sync options (firefox --sync) and see if it gives you any extra output
[08:57] <hellcattrav> ok
[08:57] <hellcattrav> will do
[08:58] <oni> blueskaj: i found and downloaded them but do not know ho to install
[08:58] <jhutchins> oni: Read the docs, it's pretty darned clear.
[08:58] <BluesKaj> oni, sorry neither do I , no wireless install experience
[08:59] <jhutchins> I had mine set up with ndiswrapper, which I'd never used before, in less than five minutes.  I just followed the instructions.
[08:59] <heinkel_111> i have a PC with 3 OS: Kubuntu 6.10, WinXP, and Ubuntu 6.06 server. When I installed the alst one, it installed a grub and made itself default (on top). I want to boot from the other linux partition, which has kubuntu, as default, and get my custom GRUB menu from that partition. How do I configure which partition is started at boot?
[08:59] <BluesKaj> !ndiswrapper | oni
[08:59] <ubotu> oni: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:59] <hellcattrav> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7523/
[08:59] <jhutchins> Download the drivers, if necessary download and install the firmware, configure the card, save.
[08:59] <genii> Some wireless adapters need that fwcutter to extract the firmware etc etc as well (bcm43xx comes to mind)
[09:00] <binks> !grub | heinkel_111
[09:00] <ubotu> heinkel_111: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:00] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Change the default in your menu.list
[09:00] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Use the GrubHowTo above.
[09:01] <aryel> como puedo actualizar kubuntu
[09:01] <heinkel_111> jhutchins: but I have 2 partitions with grub installed
[09:01] <heinkel_111> ok will rtfm...
[09:01] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Not really.
[09:01] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Oh, you mean you have it installed from both versions.
[09:01] <heinkel_111> yep
[09:01] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: There's still only one mbr.
[09:02] <BluesKaj> hellcattrav, type ' about: plugins ' in the firefox addressbar and make sure they are all turned on
[09:02] <heinkel_111> it confused me at the start when i edited one menu.lst and nothing happened
[09:02] <heinkel_111> jhutchins: i got to learn the mbr thingy i guess
[09:02] <hellcattrav> address bar bieng where i type in urls?
[09:02] <aryel> la version es la 6.06
[09:02] <BluesKaj> yes
[09:03] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Whatever the latest install was should probably have actually written the bootloader to the mbr, so that should be the "master" menu.
[09:03] <hellcattrav> url is not valid, sure im supposed to type it there?
[09:03] <BluesKaj> err about:plugins
[09:03] <BluesKaj> no space
[09:03] <BluesKaj> sorry
[09:04] <hellcattrav> ok
[09:04] <hellcattrav> im doing it
[09:04] <hellcattrav> and i get a search list
[09:04] <heinkel_111> jhutchins: can i edit the mbr so it poiints to load my other grub then?
[09:05] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: Read that GrubHowTo.  You don't actually edit it, you edit the grub config then run grub.
[09:06] <jhutchins> heinkel_111: To be honest I'm more familiar with lilo.
[09:07] <hellcattrav> blueskaj: ok im at the installed plugins page..what am i looking for?
[09:08] <hellcattrav> blueskaj: it says all plugins are enabled
[09:09] <BluesKaj> do you have java ?
[09:10] <hellcattrav> not sure
[09:10] <hellcattrav> blueskaj: how could i check, and install it if have to?
[09:10] <Cugel> java -version
[09:10] <Cugel> What does that give?
[09:10] <hellcattrav> what, type it in the command line?
[09:10] <hellcattrav> ok
[09:10] <Cugel> Yes.
[09:11] <hellcattrav> give me this :
[09:11] <hellcattrav> java version "1.4.2"
[09:11] <hellcattrav> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-14ubuntu7)
[09:11] <hellcattrav> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[09:11] <hellcattrav> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[09:11] <hellcattrav> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[09:11] <hellcattrav> tmoney@tmoney-laptop:~$
[09:11] <Cugel> Well that's java :-)
[09:12] <Cugel> It's not Sun Java though.
[09:12] <BluesKaj> BBL
[09:15] <johey> Can I set up different keymaps for different keyboards in KDE? Like for example using Swedish on my laptop's internal keyboard and US on an external board connected via USB?
[09:16] <Pupeno> johey: I don't think so because I believe they are seen as one keyboard.
[09:16] <johey> Pupeno: :(
[09:16] <hellcattrav> so what do i hav eto do..., is there anything else to get firefox to run?
[09:16] <Pupeno> johey: what you can do is set up both, have an icon on the traybar and be able to change them clicking on it or with a key convination.
[09:17] <Cugel> hellcat: remind me: what error do you get when you run firefox?
[09:17] <johey> Pupeno: Yes, I have thought about that one. But I don't like it. Heh.
[09:18] <Pupeno> johey: maybe what you want is doable anyway...
[09:18] <aryel> NO MANEJO BIEN EL INGLES PODRA SER QUE ME ESCRIBAN EN CASTELLANO GRACIAS
[09:18] <johey> Pupeno: Maybe by setting up different drivers for them in xorg.conf?
[09:19] <Pupeno> johey: if there's a way, that's the way.
[09:19] <Pupeno> aryel: por favor no grites y
[09:19] <Pupeno> !es
[09:19] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:20] <aryel> Gracias, y perdon por gritar
[09:20] <hellcattrav> um
[09:20] <hellcattrav> cugel: not sure
[09:20] <hellcattrav> I'd have to go back in teh command line...
[09:21] <Cugel> Well that would help.
[09:21] <hellcattrav> yeah
[09:21] <Cugel> Don't be scared of that command line! ;-)
[09:21] <Gh0st75> command line is ebil!
[09:21] <hellcattrav> cugel: i think this might be hit  :
[09:21] <MepisReign> beware the almighty command line!!!
[09:21] <MepisReign> hehe
[09:22] <hellcattrav> cugel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7522/
[09:22] <oni> i have a problem with my kubuntu fresh install. it doesnt recognize the wireless card.i can not connect to internet. can i find the drivers. if yes where can i find them and how can i install them because i'm new to linux and do not know what to do
[09:22] <Cugel> Hmm.
[09:22] <MepisReign> is that wireless card a PCMCIA linksys one?
[09:23] <Pupeno> Does anybody know of anything linke the Nokia N770 (http://europe.nokia.com/770) but with a 15inch screen?
[09:24] <Pupeno> s/linke/like/
[09:26] <ricmik> Hi! What would you recommend to record DVD-ISOs?
[09:27] <Kr4t05> ricmik: You can use AcidRip to rip and encode DVDs.
[09:27] <Kr4t05> To make an actuall ISO, however, you could use...
[09:27] <ricmik> no, just a plain data-dvd
[09:27] <MepisReign> to burn ISOS I would say K3b
[09:27] <ricmik> I have an ISO which I would like to write
[09:28] <Kr4t05> ricmik: Oh, Yeah, K3B
[09:28] <MepisReign> :)
[09:28] <Kr4t05> I thought you wanted to copy the data from a DVD.
[09:28] <ricmik> I'll try k3b ;)
[09:29] <Kr4t05> Is there anyway to alter the settings and add a specific device type?
[09:29] <ricmik> ah, looks like it's working :)
[09:29] <MepisReign> told ya :)
[09:30] <ricmik> thanks :)
[09:30] <Kr4t05> Like, I want to add an icon specifically my iPod nano
[09:30] <MepisReign> no prob, thats why we are here
[09:30] <crystufer2000> Can I browse windows shares via konqueror?
[09:30] <MepisReign> Kr4t05, right click on the icon and choose properties?
[09:31] <asaup> hi
[09:31] <niels_> I just installed the Microsoft True type fonts. How do I enable them?
[09:31] <Kr4t05> MepisReign: Will the setting stick for every time I connect the device?
[09:32] <jhutchins> niels_: restart xfs.
[09:32] <niels_> jhutchins: Ok, thanks. Can I do that while x is running?
[09:32] <jhutchins> niels_: Although that should have already happened.
[09:32] <jhutchins> niels_: Where did you try to use them?
[09:32] <om3ga> hey what irc does everyone perfer for kde
[09:32] <niels_> Ok, how do I use the fonts ?
[09:32] <om3ga> or well kubuntu
[09:32] <asaup> i have installed kubuntu now and i want to know the basic things that i need to download. like compilers , sound and video codecs and other things like these
[09:33] <jhutchins> om3ga: I like konversation, some like kopete.
[09:33] <MepisReign> you need to create the permissions Kr4t0r
[09:33] <ricmik> konversation is nice :)
[09:33] <jhutchins> niels_: For what?
[09:33] <MepisReign> sudo shmod i think, please consult that info in google first
[09:33] <niels_> I don't know. I just read they were better fonts. I guess for all desktop apps...
[09:33] <MepisReign> chmod*
[09:33] <om3ga> im using konversation i just saw som others in adept
[09:33] <BluesKaj> !codecs | asaup
[09:33] <ubotu> asaup: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:33] <crystufer2000> !samba
[09:33] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:34] <niels_> jhutchins: What is the names of the fonts?
[09:34] <jhutchins> niels_: There are a bunch.
[09:34] <niels_> jhutchins: Ok, can you recommend some?
[09:34] <jhutchins> niels_: This is kinda like saying "I've bought a box of nails, how do I enable them".
[09:34] <hellcattrav> cugel: ive got to shut down now, but i shoudl be back in a while, ill try to read any other docs about it
[09:34] <niels_> jhutchins: Ok
[09:35] <asaup> blueskaj i mean what to download from adept. can you give me some exact names for example. like gimp , or wine and things like this ?? thanx
[09:35] <jhutchins> niels_: Wherever you choose fonts, you should now have some additional options.
[09:35] <niels_> jhutchins: Right now I'm using Dejavu sans 9 for all desktop settings. I'd just like to try the new fonts, but I don't know their names.
[09:35] <jhutchins> niels_: The most obvious change will probably be in browsers, where if a stylesheet specifies a microsoft font, your browser will use the specific font now.
[09:35] <om3ga> what about ksirc anyone know anything about it??
[09:36] <niels_> jhutchins: Ahh.. ok
[09:36] <asaup> BluesKaj: i mean what to download from adept. can you give me some exact names for example. like gimp , or wine and things like this ?? thanx
[09:36] <jhutchins> niels_: kfontviewer might help, or you could open up a word processor and mess around with choosing various fonts.
[09:36] <niels_> jhutchins: Thanks for your answers, I'll try that.
[09:36] <jhutchins> niels_: I haven't realy found a convenient way to browse them myself.
[09:36] <MepisReign> to install MS fonts, make sure you have the right repos enabled and type sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts
[09:37] <MepisReign> then sudo fc-cache -f -v to enable them
[09:37] <jhutchins> MepisReign: Ah, thank you.
[09:37] <MepisReign> no prob
[09:37] <niels_> MepisReign: Thanks
[09:37] <asaup> i mean what to download from adept. can you give me some exact names for example. like gimp , or wine and things like this ?? thanx
[09:38] <Cugel> asaup: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:38] <niels_> jhutchins: Ahh ok, I can see the names of all the truetype fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[09:39] <Cugel> Also: apt-cache search app   -- try 'wine' for app or 'gimp'
[09:41] <jhutchins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto
[09:41] <asaup> thanx
[09:42] <MepisReign> somebody here know what happened to the automatix website, it has been down at least for 2 days now
[09:42] <Cugel> The anwer can be found on ubuntuforums.org
[09:43] <MepisReign> ok, i will take a look over there
[09:43] <Cugel> "There is no official press release, but I've heard that someone talked to Arnieboy on IRC and that it should be up again within a day."
[09:43] <MepisReign> and thx
[09:43] <MepisReign> oh, thats nice, thx Cugel
[09:44] <Cugel> Seems to be some problem with the hosting service, nothing serious -- except that lots of people chose today to run Automatix :-)
[09:44] <MepisReign> hahahahaha
[09:44] <MepisReign> indeed
[09:45] <MepisReign> this is bad im out of cigars :(
[09:46] <asaup> i have a problem. i can navigate.use irc and many other things but i can not connect to any site by the console and i can not use the adept because even the adept do not connect. Says "waiting for the headers"
[09:48] <eric> what does fc-cache do?
[09:48] <asaup> i have a problem. i can navigate.use irc and many other things but i can not connect to any site by the console and i can not use the adept because even the adept do not connect. Says "waiting for the headers"
[09:48] <zdub> hi, all!
[09:48] <BluesKaj> asaup, install irssi
[09:48] <asaup> what is irssi
[09:48] <eric> another irc client
[09:48] <asaup> noooooooooo
[09:49] <BluesKaj> command line irc client
[09:49] <eric> yeah
[09:49] <asaup> it is not the problem of the irc
[09:49] <MepisReign> asaup, check this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=345166
[09:49] <MepisReign> I wrote something there that may help you
[09:50] <zdub> how to mount a shared folder from another computer to a folder on my machine?
[09:50] <om3ga> whats a good irc client for windows i know i know its not for me though
[09:50] <asaup> but its the problem of the console and adept. the console stays to 0% and adept says "waiting for headers and stays at 40%
[09:51] <om3ga> i know of mirc
[09:51] <zdub> the remote machine is under windows
[09:52] <Cugel> zdub: create a remote connection to it? type remote:/ in conqueror.
[09:52] <eric> yea mirc is what you using in windows
[09:52] <eric> and then you just add scripts to it
[09:52] <bobofett> Might want to also check Trillian or some other IM program that combines a bunch of services....I use Kopete on Kubuntu...but Trillian is decent for windows....and it has IRC.
[09:53] <eric> miranda is good too
[09:53] <asaup> !source-o-matic
[09:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:54] <bobofett> Depends on level of usage really...if you are going to be a more "hardcore" user go toward something like mirc...just casual user or need a all in one solution look toward Miranda or Trillian.
[09:54] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone know how to select a specific gcc version for compiling?
[09:54] <om3ga> i found a few on downloads.com
[09:55] <k3ks> Hi everyone! I've got a problem, my gnome looks ugly, the style doesn't change withe the themes, only the colors
[09:55] <om3ga> other irc clients that is
[09:55] <javierph> hola
[09:56] <MepisReign> hola javier
[09:56] <k3ks> so i tried to deinstall gnome an reinstall it, but if i do apt-get remove gnome or atp-get remove gnome-desktop he says the packages aren't installed
[09:56] <k3ks> what does this mean??
[09:56] <Cugel> It means the packages are not installed?
[09:56] <k3ks> but my gnome works!
[09:57] <Cugel> Ah, that kind of error :-)
[09:57] <bobofett> are you talking about the gnome-desktop package?
[09:57] <k3ks> yeah
[09:57] <MepisReign> im clueless on that gnome thingy
[09:57] <kruno_> Hello everyone :)
[09:57] <MepisReign> hello kruno
[09:57] <k3ks> in what package else could the basic files for gnome be?
[09:57] <k3ks> hello kurno
[09:58] <bobofett> I'm not positive about this but I believe as with kubuntu-desktop that's a dummy package...and that really holds no particualr packages that makes gnome run...but please don't quout me on this just my understanding.
[09:58] <zdub> Cugel: i'm afraid you haven't understood me well, or maybe i couldn't express my thought :) ok. so, i have a shared folder on another computer running win, i can access it via samba. could i mount it to a folder on my machine?
[09:58] <Cugel> So he needs to remove gnome-meta?
[09:59] <Cugel> zdub: yes you can. Use smbmount.
[09:59] <bobofett> Is KDE or some other WM running?
[09:59] <k3ks> yes KDE
[09:59] <zdub> should i install it additionaly?
[09:59] <Cugel> If you don't have it you need to install smb.
[09:59] <k3ks> and Looking Glas ^^
[09:59] <bobofett> Do you use gnome at all?
[09:59] <k3ks> I want to use it
[09:59] <Cugel> zdub: yes. It surprised me that it's not standard.
[09:59] <bobofett> oh I see.
[10:00] <k3ks> because you get it to look nicer as KDE
[10:00] <bobofett> what happens when you try to start a gnome session?
[10:00] <zdub> Cugel: thx :)
[10:00] <k3ks> it starts a nome session
[10:00] <k3ks> gnome
[10:00] <MepisReign> that is correct Cugel, in any case, do you use konqueror zdub?
[10:00] <Cugel> smbmount is easy -- I recommend you take a look at the manual for smbclient too. But if you can mount a drive you can use smbmount.
[10:00] <zdub> MepisReign: yes
[10:01] <bobofett> I guess I'm confused then..w.hy do you want to remove gnome?
[10:01] <k3ks> it actually was a ubuntu, so i installed kde afterwards
[10:01] <bobofett> yeah I"ve done the same
[10:01] <bobofett> but I like KDE.
[10:01] <k3ks> because if got troubles with the window style
[10:01] <cntb> \o
[10:01] <MepisReign> when you open konqueror is there a link called network folder?
[10:01] <k3ks> i like both
[10:01] <bobofett> lol yeah I do too...ha
[10:01] <Cugel> mepis: that's what I was thinking too. Just create a network link.
[10:02] <MepisReign> yes
[10:02] <sudoroot> hello again all
[10:02] <cntb> pity therer is no KDE alternateCD yet k3ks bobofett
[10:02] <zdub> MepisReign: yes
[10:02] <eric> how would i join a windows domain?
[10:02] <cntb> o/ sudoroot
[10:02] <MepisReign> click on that link zdub
[10:03] <Cugel> I tried to mount an SSH connection with Windows XP -- you'd laugh if you know how difficult that is to accomplish.
[10:03] <zdub> MepisReign: next :)
[10:03] <sudoroot> what did u say to me cntb=?
[10:03] <k3ks> no clou what to do?
[10:03] <MepisReign> click on Samba Shares
[10:03] <MepisReign> is your Windows system on?
[10:03] <cntb> o is my head / is my hand greeting you o/ sudoroot
[10:03] <zdub> MepisReigyesn:
[10:03] <zdub> s
[10:04] <sudoroot> thanx
[10:04] <MepisReign> ok
[10:04] <sudoroot> may i know your asl?
[10:04] <MepisReign> what do you see after click on Samba shares?
[10:04] <mefisto__> I'm having menu problems. When the mouse goes to the multimedia submenu, the panel crashes. Even when I try to access the multimedia submenu in the menu editor, the menu editor crashes
[10:04] <zdub> i see the computers in the network
[10:05] <Cugel> zdub: so... select your computer.
[10:05] <MepisReign> ok, perfect, no click on your windows system
[10:05] <zdub> alreadi done
[10:05] <MepisReign> and what happened zdub? can you access that computer?
[10:05] <zdub> sure
[10:05] <zdub> i
[10:06] <sudoroot> some one can tell me why firefox is so slow on myspace site even if i installed flash player?
[10:06] <Cugel> sudo: because your myspace page sucks?  (valid point for myspace in general)
[10:06] <zdub> MepisReign: Cugel: what's next? :)
[10:06] <cntb> what is myspace ?  M$ one ?
[10:07] <MepisReign> from there zdub, what do you need to do next?
[10:07] <k3ks> ok, as no one seems to know a solution to my problem, i ask my other problem^^
[10:07] <Cugel> zdub: create a shortcut to the computer?  (it should be really easy now)
[10:07] <MepisReign> correct
[10:07] <k3ks> has anyone a clou how to get a microphone work with ubuntu?
[10:08] <Cugel> k3ks: I take it yours doesn't work?
[10:08] <k3ks> i googled a lot but nothing could help ma
[10:08] <cntb> clue k3ks works for me
[10:08] <k3ks> Cugel: yes
[10:08] <MepisReign> right click on your kubuntu's desktop and choose Link to location
[10:08] <Cugel> k3ks: do you have the krec recording tool? Does it know your microphone?
[10:08] <sudoroot> well strange cugel was fine whit xp
[10:08] <asaup> i have a problem
[10:08] <sudoroot> now i can't open or im slow to open many profiels
[10:09] <k3ks> Cugel: i'm not sure
[10:09] <MepisReign> ok
[10:09] <MepisReign> what is it zdub?
[10:09] <sudoroot> profiles*
[10:09] <Cugel> asaup: go ahead dude.
[10:09] <asaup> i copied the sources.list from the source-omatic
[10:09] <mefisto__> I'm having menu problems. When the mouse goes to the multimedia submenu, the panel crashes.
[10:09] <zdub> MepisReign: thx :) but is just a link...
[10:09] <asaup> but now it says
[10:09] <k3ks> Cugel: kmix knows it
[10:10] <Cugel> mefisto: I don't know -- but I suggest you manually edit that submenu (now can someone tell him what file that is?)
[10:10] <asaup> but now when i make the apt-get update it says
[10:10] <asaup> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:10] <asaup> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:10] <lontra> asaup: close adept or synaptic
[10:10] <Cugel> So if kmix knows it, then is it off or something, or muted?
[10:10] <lontra> asaup: you're already running an instance of a package manager
[10:10] <MepisReign> lontra is right
[10:10] <asaup> no
[10:10] <cntb> asaup: did you back up cp sources.list sources.list~b4trouble ?
[10:11] <lontra> asaup: open a terminal and type top
[10:11] <Cugel> asaup: do ps -a | grep apt
[10:11] <lontra> asaup: see if you see the word adept or apt or dpkg or something
[10:11] <Cugel> you want to kill apt!
[10:11] <BluesKaj> asaup, save and close the sources list
[10:11] <Cugel> But first, asaup: don't panic.
[10:11] <asaup> done
[10:12] <Cugel> Did you close/kill apt?
[10:12] <asaup> yes
[10:12] <k3ks> Cugel: no, its not off, and its not muted but its mounted with alsa
[10:12] <sudoroot> Cugel can u check from my pastebin if everything i nead is enabled correct in my repository?
[10:12] <sudoroot> i think i might be missing something
[10:12] <asaup> i have no adept open
[10:12] <Cugel> k3ks: it may sound stupid, but in that case I don't see why it doesn't work. I mean, your system knows it.
[10:12] <asaup> and it continue to say the same thing
[10:12] <lontra> asaup: maybe adept-updater is running
[10:13] <Cugel> Can someone help sudoroot? It's beyond my means.
[10:13] <lontra> sudoroot: paste your sources.list
[10:13] <sudoroot> ok
[10:13] <k3ks> Cugel: Yes thats the problem, a also don't see why it doesn't work
[10:13] <Cugel> asaup: maybe you should just reboot or restart kde.
[10:13] <sudoroot> what u mean im behond our mean Cugel?
[10:13] <Cugel> sudo: I meant to say I can't help you with this problem.
[10:13] <sudoroot> ok thanx
[10:13] <Cugel> So I requested help from someone else.
[10:14] <sudoroot> lontra can u give me the sudo command to open kate again?
[10:14] <zdub> btw, is it a bug or it's normal? when i play a movie (kaffeine) from a remote folder accessed via samba, the progress is not accessible
[10:14] <MepisReign> sudo kate
[10:14] <k3ks> hm, i give it up
[10:14] <Cugel> My experience with Kubuntu is two weeks... but I knew Linux already.
[10:14] <asaup> ok done
[10:14] <k3ks> i go to sleep
[10:14] <sudoroot> there is another command to open kate as sudo that i forgott
[10:14] <k3ks> goodnight
[10:14] <asaup> but when i make sudo apt-get it stays at 0%
[10:14] <MepisReign> Red Hat Cugel?
[10:14] <Cugel> zdub: I recall reading that that's a known feature.
[10:14] <Cugel> Mepis: Windows XP :-)
[10:14] <MepisReign> hahahahaha
[10:15] <cntb> kdesu kate sudoroot
[10:15] <zdub> Cugel: feature?
[10:15] <sudoroot> mepis is the best distro for desktop afther pclinuxos 2007
[10:15] <cntb> and sudoroot why that nick ?
[10:15] <sudoroot> diden't know what to put
[10:15] <Cugel> Well, not implemented feature, to be more precise.
[10:15] <zdub> ok
[10:15] <sudoroot> kdesukatesudoroot
[10:15] <MepisReign> zdub how ent everything?
[10:16] <Cugel> Video over network can be done through VLC -- but don't ask me, I run Windows remote desktop.
[10:16] <MepisReign> went*
[10:16] <lontra> asaup: try rebooting...that should fix this
[10:16] <BluesKaj> sudoroot, open the runbox in kmenu and type ' kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list '
[10:16] <Cugel> lontra: I agree.
[10:16] <lontra> asaup: though you shouldn't need to reboot
[10:16] <lontra> mind you
[10:16] <Cugel> Still, it's an easy fix
[10:16] <sudoroot> 
[10:16] <sudoroot> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <lontra> Cugel: it's a windows fix :)
[10:16] <sudoroot> this was the command thanx
[10:16] <Cugel> Yep, I'm used to that.
[10:16] <BluesKaj> yes
[10:17] <zdub> and another thing, amarok hangs when playing a file via samba? is this a feature too? :)
[10:17] <Cugel> The first time I manually configured network on Linux my fingers _itched_ to reboot. But you don't need to.
[10:17] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[10:17] <Cugel> zdub: it probably means it has trouble connecting to the network drive?
[10:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:17] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[10:18] <zdub> Cugel: what do you mean by trouble?
[10:18] <zdub> Cugel: unstable network?
[10:18] <DrBlink> how do i partition my hd so i can install xp to play games
[10:18] <Cugel> zdub: channel #amarok for questions about amarok (though the crowd there can be unhelpful sometimes).
[10:18] <sudoroot> ok u here lontra?
[10:18] <Cugel> drblink: vmware?
[10:18] <sudoroot> im ready to paste u
[10:19] <zdub> Cugel: ok, thx :)
[10:19] <lontra> sudoroot:yup
[10:19] <MepisReign> with windows everything seems to be unstable, sorry but I can't help it, no more flaming
[10:19] <sudoroot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7532/
[10:19] <sudoroot> thanx
[10:19] <sudoroot> i think im missing some stuff
[10:19] <asaup> nop
[10:19] <sudoroot> Cugel no distro is like m$
[10:20] <asaup> even the restart doesnt resolve the problem
[10:20] <swimmerino88> hello to evrebody...i'm writing from italy...i'd like to know how to configure my laptop keyboard...because i can't use the function keys
[10:20] <lontra> sudoroot: just missing universe multiverse security updates
[10:20] <sudoroot> !it
[10:20] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:20] <cntb> DrBlink:  considerleaving windows about 12-15 GB
[10:20] <sudoroot> ok how do i enable them?
[10:20] <MepisReign> are you behing a proxy asaup?
[10:20] <sudoroot> can pastebin me all correct so i copy it and kate?
[10:20] <lontra> asaup: paste your output of sources.list
[10:20] <zdub> one more quetion guys. how to enable dri for an ati rage mobile m3 video?
[10:21] <sudoroot> !it
[10:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:21] <lontra> sudoroot: go down to the lines that say deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[10:21] <DrBlink> !vmware
[10:21] <swimmerino88>  hello to evrebody...i'm writing from italy...i'd like to know how to configure my laptop keyboard...because i can't use the function keys I DON'T WANT ITALIAN!
[10:21] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[10:21] <lontra> sudoroot: and add            universe multiverse to the end of them
[10:21] <sudoroot> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[10:21] <sudoroot> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted
[10:21] <sudoroot> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security universe
[10:21] <sudoroot> this 3?
[10:21] <Cugel> swimmer: isn't that something you can configure in the system menu?
[10:21] <lontra> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:21] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[10:21] <lontra> that's all you need
[10:21] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:21] <cntb> DrBlink: vmware is worth if you have a virtuality in hardware
[10:22] <sudoroot> those 3 lontra or just first 2?
[10:22] <mefisto__> anyone know hot to fix a broken menu?
[10:22] <MepisReign> swimmer, try typing on a Konsole kcontrol, and check if there a config option
[10:22] <bonbonthejon> mefisto__: how is it broken?
 i tried to configure with kcontrol but it doesn't work...because i don't know what to chose!
[10:22] <Cugel> mefisto: maybe do a search on the ubuntuforums?
[10:22] <lontra> sudoroot: do you see my line?  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:23] <lontra> sudoroot: you only need that 1 line
[10:23] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[10:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:23] <Cugel> swimmer: choose anything except Italian ;-)
why?i have an'italian keyboard
[10:23] <cntb> DrBlink: vmware is worth if you have a virtuality in hardware http://www.intel.com/technology/virtualization/index.htm
[10:23] <lontra> feisty sure is looking nice ;)
[10:23] <sudoroot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7535/ ok hope i done right lontra
[10:23] <paolo_> c
[10:23] <MepisReign> im hungry, Mac and cheese will be, bbl
[10:24] <MepisReign> laterz
[10:24] <Cugel> In that case, choose Italian. Sorry, I was confused.
[10:24] <lontra> sudoroot: you only need 1 space between restricted and universe
[10:24] <lontra> sudoroot: the rest is fine
[10:24] <sudoroot> can u do it for me so i copy paste couse im starting to panic
[10:24] <lontra> sudoroot: ok
[10:24] <sudoroot> thanx
 i said thati i tried it but i can't control the volume like before
[10:25] <sudoroot> o ok got u lontra
[10:25] <sudoroot> made em closer
[10:25] <Cugel> swimmer: I suggest you reconfigure X (there's a command for that) -- you can specify various keyboard settings then.
[10:25] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[10:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:26] <sudoroot> this time should be perfect lontra and thanx for help
[10:27] <sudoroot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7536/
[10:27] <lontra> sudoroot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7538/
[10:27] <mefisto__> bonbonthejon: When the mouse goes to the multimedia submenu, the panel crashes.
[10:27] <lontra> sudoroot: yup looks good...i tidied your sources.list up a bit with my paste but yours is fine too
ok i found it!i have an acer but i chose a compaq keyboard
[10:27] <sudoroot> ok ill use yours then
[10:27] <lontra> sudoroot: also you can comment out the deb-src if you don't need the sources
[10:27] <bonbonthejon> mefisto__: right click on the k-menu, and select Menu Editor
[10:28] <Cugel> swimmer: good!
[10:28] <sudoroot> what that that mean?
[10:28] <lontra> sudoroot: you comment out something by adding a # in front of the line...for example... deb-src blah blah becomes  #deb-src blah blah
[10:28] <mefisto__> bonbonthejon: menu editor crashes when I go to the Multimedia section
[10:28] <lontra> sudoroot: but you can leave it...this is optionally
[10:29] <BluesKaj> lontra, i think he could use a few more sources
[10:29] <bonbonthejon> mefisto__: hmm, doesnt sound good, let me see if i can find somethign for you
[10:29] <sudoroot> ok perfect
[10:29] <sudoroot> now i nead to get beryl u know how?
[10:29] <lontra> BluesKaj: go ahead and suggest some...like for new kde and new amarok?
[10:29] <lontra> BluesKaj: that stuff is not really necessary
[10:30] <sudoroot> can't find it in adept yet
[10:30] <lontra> sudoroot: what are you looking for?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> yeah lontra, like imbrandon's site
[10:30] <sudoroot> beryl couse i would like to eye candy my desktop to matrix theme
[10:30] <sudoroot> can u help me whit that?
[10:30] <lontra> BluesKaj: i don't know that one
[10:31] <lontra> !info beryl
[10:31] <ubotu> Package beryl does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:31] <Razgriz> hi
[10:31] <cntb> sudoroot: go #ubuntu-effects
[10:31] <lontra> !info beryl-manager
[10:31] <Razgriz> I have problem with beryl
[10:31] <ubotu> Package beryl-manager does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:31] <sudoroot> now it's giving me new updates in fact thanx lontra
[10:31] <BluesKaj> he's a regular here , or used to be and hosts some very good uptodate media pkges
[10:31] <lontra> sudoroot: np
[10:31] <cntb> sudoroot: go #ubuntu-effects ^^
[10:32] <DrBlink> will vmware be able to run heavy games?
[10:32] <sudoroot> im thre cntb
[10:32] <cntb> DrBlink: vmware is worth if you have a virtuality in hardware http://www.intel.com/technology/virtualization/index.htm
[10:32] <cntb> ok np sudoroot
[10:33] <zdub> can someone suggest me some ideas about proprietary drivers for an 'ati rage mobile' video card?
[10:33] <sudoroot> cntb are u the tony that ubuntu classroom?
[10:33] <sudoroot> of*
[10:33] <cntb> !ati > zdub
[10:33] <cntb> why sudoroot ? remember me ?
[10:34] <sudoroot> yes
[10:34] <sudoroot> im distro tester
[10:34] <sudoroot> :D
[10:34] <bonbonthejon> mefisto__: i don't know what to do, maybe try kbuildsycoca which should rebuild the menu
[10:34] <cntb> distro tester ?
[10:34] <sudoroot> hopr my iq can help linux and comunity
[10:34] <sudoroot> u remember me tony?
[10:34] <Seattle_Mike> My Edgy SBlive lost sound after PC Battery died and bios reset?  Any way to bring it back?
[10:34] <DrBlink> cntb: I don't have that feature. So preparing the hd for a dual boot - what should I use
[10:34] <cntb> good fot you sudoroot
[10:35] <sudoroot> just change many nicks
[10:35] <cntb> Gparted DrBlink
[10:35] <cntb> bootable gparted
[10:35] <cntb> need a burner n between DrBlink
[10:36] <Razgriz> I have problem with beryl can someone help me<
[10:36] <Razgriz> *?
[10:37] <Cugel> ragriz: what's the problem.
[10:37] <ssmasud> is there a Visual C++ in ubuntu??
[10:37] <zdub> i was introduced to our bot :)
[10:37] <cntb> DrBlink: gparetd is a 30 mb download
[10:37] <Cugel> ssmasud: no.
[10:37] <cntb> DrBlink: gparted is a 30 mb download
[10:37] <Cugel> Be glad there isn't!
[10:38] <ssmasud> Cugel..how do we use VC++ in ubuntu?
[10:38] <DrBlink> cntb: guide says to boot from livecd and run gparted
[10:38] <Chousuke> ssmasud: we don't.
[10:38] <cntb> exactly DrBlink wait a sec
[10:38] <Cugel> There's C++ of course, and an IDE -- but not the buttons and windows things.
[10:38] <cntb> !parted
[10:38] <ubotu> parted: The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7.1-2.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 156 kB
[10:39] <yaccin> ssmasud: try kdevelop :P
[10:39] <Razgriz> I did everything lister here http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia but now I cant get into GUI
[10:39] <ssmasud> Cugel...how can I get the ID???
[10:39] <Cugel> Eh, you know what an IDE is?
[10:39] <yaccin> !kdevelop | ssmasud
[10:39] <ubotu> ssmasud: kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[10:39] <yaccin> !beryl | Razgriz
[10:39] <ubotu> Razgriz: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:40] <cntb> DrBlink: you may want to look here http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/20/1654251
[10:40] <cntb> Razgriz: > #ubuntu-effects
[10:41] <cntb> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ and http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843&package_id=173828 DrBlink
[10:43] <ssmasud> yaccin...how do i start using the ide kdevelop....just type kdevelop and start??
[10:43] <yaccin> you have different entries in the k-menu
[10:43] <Cugel> Well, yeah.
[10:43] <yaccin> but yes, kdevelop should be enpough
[10:43] <ssmasud> thanks
[10:44] <ken> how do i get blue tooth  to work
[10:44] <ssmasud> yaccin.......it says cannot connect to X server??
[10:44] <bonbonthejon> ssmasud: it should still start up
[10:44] <ssmasud> nopes..it isnt
[10:44] <bonbonthejon> ssmasud: if you started it from konsole
[10:45] <yaccin> ssmasud: o.O
[10:45] <casey_> can someone help me install beryl?
[10:45] <Cugel> casey: well.
[10:45] <ken> how do i get blue tooth  to work
[10:45] <ken> chat
[10:46] <yaccin> !beryl | casey_
[10:46] <Cugel> ken: search for 'bluetooth' on ubuntuforums.org
[10:46] <ubotu> casey_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:46] <casey_> i used to have beryl working and then i broke it
[10:46] <yaccin> theres also a wiki on beryl-project.org with detailed instructions
[10:46] <yaccin> casSVN repo?
[10:46] <casey_> ok thanks yaccin
[10:46] <yaccin> your fault then
[10:46] <casey_> yeah
[10:46] <yaccin> SVN != ready to use
 your fault then   <--- lol
[10:46] <ken> ty
[10:46] <Cugel> Breaking beryl is even easier then breaking KDE :P
[10:47] <yaccin> lontra: only true ^^
[10:47] <casey_> yuppers
[10:47] <lontra> yaccin: he he
[10:47] <lontra> yaccin: still funny
[10:47] <cpk1> actually i think beryl breaks itself O.o
[10:47] <Razgriz> ok so what I need to do to run beryl?
[10:47] <Cugel> raz: you need endurance.
[10:47] <yaccin> Razgriz: look at the beryl-project.org wiki
[10:47] <Cugel> And you need to like shiny effects that get boring after 15 minutes. Yes, really.
[10:47] <yaccin> or ask in #beryl
[10:47] <Razgriz> I did everything listed here http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_nVidia
[10:48] <cpk1> or #ubuntu-effects
[10:48] <yaccin> Cugel: i use it because of the desktop wall plugin
[10:48] <yaccin> and the group and tab windows functions
[10:48] <Razgriz> now I cant run X server
[10:48] <Cugel> yaccin: well I did like the wobbly windows. I'm a sucker for all things wobbly.
[10:48] <cpk1> what error does it give?
[10:48] <Razgriz> I dont know
[10:48] <yaccin> i dont liked wobbly windows
[10:48] <Razgriz> it just ends in console
[10:49] <yaccin> turned them off
[10:49] <yaccin> ^^
[10:49] <Razgriz> I know that the problem is in xorg.conf
[10:49] <cpk1> Razgriz: so what happens when you start x?
[10:49] <Razgriz> cpk1: it just dont start
[10:50] <Cugel> xorg.conf is the one reason I think Linux is not ready for the desktop. But let's not go into that.
[10:50] <yaccin> bonbonthejon: why dont you? ^^
[10:50] <yaccin> Cugel: true true ^^
[10:50] <thomax|away> Razgriz: check for a backup of your xorg.conf file
[10:50] <cpk1> Razgriz: so 'startx' just does a carriage return?
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: I have a poor built-in graphics card in my laptop
[10:50] <yaccin> Cugel: but you dont need to edit xorg.conf for installing nvidia drivrs
[10:50] <yaccin> for ati i dont know ^^
[10:50] <Skrot> Cugel: That's why support for hotswapped input and output will be nice in Xorg 7.3 :)
[10:50] <yaccin> bonbonthejon: i also have beryl running on my laptop ^^
[10:50] <yaccin> tried it? :)
[10:51] <Cugel> yaccin: true -- and my nVidia card worked fine after installing the driver.
[10:51] <yaccin> nvidia <3
[10:51] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: the ati drivers dont supoprt my card
[10:51] <yaccin> bonbonthejon: tried opensource drivers? :)
[10:51] <Cugel> I've been working on getting my TV-OUT to do what I want for the past two weeks. But I'll get there.
[10:51] <yaccin> way better for beryl then frglx drivers
[10:51] <Razgriz> ok after startx a get fatal server error: no screens found
[10:51] <NDPTAL85> All I need to do is find a easy to use simple GUI backup app (something like SuperDuper for OS X) for Linux and I'll be ready to recommend (K)Ubuntu + EasyUbuntu to regular folks as a credible alternative to Windows.
[10:52] <Cugel> raz: seems to be an error in xorg.conf -- yes really.
[10:52] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: I'm using the "ati" drivers in xorg.conf, can I try beryl
[10:52] <Jack111> hiya, i've got a  [Intel]  PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card and in the ndiswrapper wiki it tells me about this card to get the" version 10.1.0.13 [148]  (w39n51.inf, unfortunatly the download is 80MB because it's packaged with "Intel PROset/Wireless software", and drivers for the 2200BG and 2915ABG) ", but if i use the network manager tool in kde the networks in my neighbourhood appear, so it works...
[10:52] <Jack111> ...basically? but when i try to connect to any of them, it says connection failed.
[10:52] <cpk1> Razgriz: I guess you might as well pastebin your xorg
[10:52] <Jack111> if i click on the recommended driver link from the wiki it offers me just the windows driver, what should i do?thank you
[10:52] <thomax|away> NDPTAL85: check keep
[10:52] <yaccin> bonbonthejon: change "ati" to "radeon" and it should work
[10:52] <Razgriz> I know how to revert to backuped xorg.conf but I want to run beryl
[10:52] <yaccin> at least on edgy
[10:52] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: what is the command to see about opengl
[10:53] <yaccin> glxinfo?
[10:53] <cpk1> Jack111: whats wrong with getting the 80mB package?
[10:53] <yaccin> glxinfo | grep direct
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: "direct rendering: Yes" is that all i need?
[10:53] <yaccin> yes
[10:53] <yaccin> you have edgy?
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: feisty
[10:53] <Jack111> hey it offers me the windows instattlation file, how shall i install that in linux? cpkl
[10:54] <yaccin> yay
[10:54] <yaccin> should work then :)
[10:54] <cpk1> Jack111: you unzip it and then use the .inf and .sys that you need
[10:54] <Razgriz> I know how to revert to backuped xorg.conf but I want to run beryl so what I need to do<
[10:54] <bonbonthejon> !beryl > bonbonthejon
[10:54] <Jack111> cpkl it offers me this link
[10:54] <Razgriz> *?
[10:54] <yaccin> !beryl | bonbonthejon
[10:54] <ubotu> bonbonthejon: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:55] <bonbonthejon> yaccin: if beryl doesnt work, how do i get back to regular kde/
[10:55] <Jack111> cpkl how can i learn how to install such a file? http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-010623.htm
[10:55] <yaccin> http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org
[10:55] <yaccin> bonbonthejon: you always have your regular kde
[10:55] <yaccin> you use beryl by starting beryl-manager
[10:55] <yaccin> :)
[10:55] <cpk1> Jack111: ??? download the one that has the drivers you need and then unzip it
[10:57] <Razgriz> I know how to revert to backuped xorg.conf but I want to run beryl so what I need to do to?
[10:57] <Jack111> ok cpkl with gunzip? unzip? and then?
[10:57] <Jack111> how do i know which .inf or sys?
[10:57] <Cugel> razr: what's the error?
[10:58] <Razgriz> no screens found
[10:58] <cpk1> Jack111: the ndiswrapper page should tell you which one you need
[10:58] <cpk1> Jack111: and you use unzip
[10:58] <Cugel> razr: time to take a look at that xorg.conf of yours (anyone?)
[10:58] <Jack111> cpkl ah it says here in thewiki  w39n51.inf, thanks, ok and if i have this file what then?
[10:59] <cpk1> Razgriz: it would help if you pasted your xorg.conf
[10:59] <cpk1> Jack111: put it into its own folder, the ndiswrapper wiki should cover this
[10:59] <Razgriz> gimme few seconds
[10:59] <cpk1> Razgriz: and when I say paste I mean use pastebin
[11:00] <Razgriz> what that means?
[11:00] <cpk1> !pastebin | Razgriz
[11:00] <ubotu> Razgriz: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:01] <Jack111> cpkl it offers me these versions: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2259&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21, the wiki says go for this: version 10.1.0.13
[11:03] <cpk1> Jack111: you dont need ndiswrapper if you are using a linux driver
[11:03] <sudoroot> any one has the wiki to update kde to 3.5.6 final and can help me do that?
[11:03] <Jack111> cpkl ah ok, sorry first time i do this, so just installing then and it should be good? thanks
[11:04] <cpk1> Jack111: you need to compile it
[11:05] <sudoroot> can some one help me update to latest kde?
[11:05] <cpk1> !easysource | sudoroot
[11:05] <ubotu> sudoroot: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:05] <cpk1> should be a repo for it in there
[11:07] <zdub> Cugel: smbmount worked like magic, thx :)
[11:08] <Raven301> sudoroot: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main
[11:08] <Raven301> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main
[11:08] <sudoroot> thanx
[11:08] <Jack111> cpkl yep but thats it?unzip..., ./configure, make?
[11:08] <sudoroot> ill select all the sources ok?
[11:09] <cpk1> tar -xjf or tar -xzf depending on if its a gunzip or not
[11:10] <cpk1> and it will have a readme with instructions
[11:10] <cpk1> you will probably need build-essential
[11:10] <Tibmol> how can i install divx codecs for totem ?
[11:10] <sudoroot> done cpkl i selected everything in the source list and saved it to kate
[11:10] <sudoroot> i can go for kde install now?
[11:11] <cpk1> sudoroot: you saved it as /etc/sources.list?
[11:11] <sudoroot> yes to kate
[11:11] <sudoroot> site did everything for me
[11:11] <Tibmol> !divx
[11:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:11] <sudoroot> what's the command to install kde 3.5.6 final now?
[11:12] <Cugel> sudo: change sources.list and upgrade.
[11:12] <Cugel> At least that's what I did.
[11:12] <cpk1> sudoroot: do aptitude update first
[11:12] <sudoroot> im very new so i did everything site said
[11:13] <sudoroot> and saved kate
[11:13] <Cugel> You saved Kate, brave man. You must feel like Leonardo now.
[11:13] <cpk1> sudoroot: it will probably give you errors about missing keys, if you copied over the whole list from easysource then it will tell you how to resolve the key errors
[11:13] <sudoroot> CUgel stop making fun of users
[11:14] <Cugel> I'm just kidding, a little humour on Sunday night you know.
[11:14] <sudoroot> ok i done uptitude update now?
[11:15] <cpk1> sudoroot: you did 'sudo aptitude update'?
[11:15] <sudoroot> yes
[11:15] <sudoroot> and updated list
[11:15] <sudoroot> u want me to pastebin me it to u?
[11:16] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[11:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:16] <cpk1> sudoroot: no, if there werent any errors when you did sudo aptitude update then do 'sudo aptitude upgrade'
[11:16] <Cugel> sudoroot: Add the line: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main   to your sources.list next
[11:16] <Cugel> After that do a sudo apt-get upgrade and off you go.
[11:17] <sudoroot> says all 0
[11:17] <sudoroot> nothing to upgrade
[11:17] <Raven301> Do sudo apt-get update then sudo ap-get upgrade
[11:17] <Cugel> apt-get update first.
[11:17] <Cugel> I forgot that.
[11:17] <cpk1> sudoroot: you on edgy?
[11:17] <sudoroot> yes
[11:17] <sudoroot> kubuntu 6.0
[11:17] <Cugel> do the update thing, then the upgrade thing.
[11:17] <sudoroot> 10*
[11:18] <sudoroot> ok can u tell me 1 command at a time please?
[11:18] <sudoroot> im going crazy ahah
[11:18] <Cugel> That deb line adds the latest repository.
[11:18] <Cugel> Add that deb linem then do update, then do upgrade.
[11:18] <cpk1> sudoroot: pastebin your sources.list
[11:18] <sudoroot> ok
[11:18] <cpk1> Cugel: he shouldnt need to specifically use the 3.5.6 repo
[11:19] <Cugel> cpk: oh, okay -- I did that and it worked fine.
[11:19] <Cugel> I didn't find any other way to upgrade to 3.5.6
[11:19] <sudoroot> !pastebin
[11:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:20] <cpk1> Cugel: yes, but if you use the bleeding edge repo instead then you dont need to change your repos everytime
[11:20] <sudoroot> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7560/
[11:20] <sudoroot> there
[11:20] <sudoroot> cpkl
[11:20] <Cugel> Oh okay. cpk1: can you give me the deb for that?
[11:20] <yaccin> ah geht
[11:21] <Raven301> Use these two  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main  and  deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest edgy main
[11:21] <cpk1> sudoroot: thats not your sources list but from looking at that it doesnt look like you have the bleeding edge repo that Raven301 just showed
[11:21] <sudoroot> how i get soucers list?
[11:21] <sudoroot> from kate?
[11:22] <cpk1> sudoroot: or cat /etc/sources.list
[11:22] <Raven301> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:22] <Raven301> bbl
[11:23] <digitx> yep kdesu
[11:23] <digitx> :))
[11:23] <digitx> o
[11:24] <sudoroot> damn
[11:24] <sudoroot> im getting tired
[11:24] <digitx> echo "deb http://edevelop.org/pkg-e/ubuntu edgy e17" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <digitx> apt-get update
[11:24] <digitx> apt-get install enlightenment
[11:24] <digitx> :)
[11:24] <Cugel> hehe
[11:25] <digitx> hehe
[11:25] <digitx> E17 rulz
[11:25] <sudoroot> http://pastebin.com/888698
[11:26] <sudoroot> im getting sick
[11:26] <sudoroot> i nead a break before i brake pc
[11:26] <cpk1> brake is what you use to slow down =P
[11:27] <sudoroot> break :d
[11:27] <digitx> http://digitx.homelinux.org
[11:27] <digitx> xD
[11:27] <sudoroot> well when pclinuxos will be out we wating so much cpkl will be all another music
[11:27] <sudoroot> the 2007 edition
[11:27] <sudoroot> that' maby for begginers
[11:28] <sudoroot> made*
[11:28] <cpk1> sudoroot: I dont think that was your output from doing 'cat /etc/sources.list'
[11:28] <RedWorm> sudoroot what's in 3.5.6 that you want that's not in 3.5.5?
[11:28] <sudoroot> diden't work
[11:29] <sudoroot> i just like to have latest sotfware
[11:29] <sudoroot> im a fan of latest and gui
[11:29] <cpk1> cat /etc/sources.list most certainly should work
[11:29] <cpk1> oh i just realized
[11:29] <cpk1>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <cpk1> =X
[11:29] <sudoroot> if i don't have the latest stable out i feel sad
[11:30] <sudoroot> eheh thanx for helping me cpkl btw
[11:30] <cpk1> its hard to remember without tab complete
[11:30] <Lam_> what's a good place to find superkaramba widgets?
[11:30] <cpk1> Lam_: use superkaramba or go to kde-look.org
[11:30] <underdog5004> Lam_, use the Get New Stuff in Superkaramba
[11:30] <RedWorm> Lam_ kde-look.org
[11:30] <Lam_> thanks guys
[11:30] <sudoroot> zen@zen-desktop:~$ cat /etc/sources.list
[11:30] <sudoroot> cat: /etc/sources.list: Nessun file o directory
[11:31] <surgy> someone say my name?
[11:31] <cpk1> sudoroot: yeah, i made a mistake its /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <RedWorm> Lam_ or kde-apps.org
[11:31] <cpk1> I have trouble remembering full paths without tab complete
[11:31] <MadMatt> does anyone know how to automount a samba share?
[11:31] <sudoroot> says im not allowed
[11:31] <sudoroot> grrrrrrrrrrr
[11:32] <sudoroot> can i change my root and log in pass first cpkl?
[11:32] <surgy> cpk1: i use konq and a notepad to rememer paths
[11:32] <surgy> sudoroot: what do you mean?
[11:32] <sudoroot> that i nead to change root and log in pass couse they are the same
[11:32] <sudoroot> and when i do sudo su i auto get root whit no pass
[11:32] <surgy> cpk1: kde notes is a great app for remembering paths
[11:32] <sudoroot> no normal
[11:33] <RedWorm> sudoroot the root account is disbaled by default
[11:33] <sudoroot> i nead to change the sudo su
[11:33] <surgy> sudoroot: the terminal remembers who you are for a few minutes after you do sudo once
[11:33] <RedWorm> sudoroot once you sudo, it'll remember you have sudo access for a while
[11:33] <sudoroot> and log in
[11:33] <cpk1> surgy: when I am in a terminal I know my way around just fine, but in irc I cant use tab complete or anything =P
[11:33] <cpk1> sudoroot: to cat you shouldnt need root
[11:33] <sudoroot> ok is there a way to change both?
[11:33] <surgy> cpk1: use kde notes :) it makes a little post it type window pop up when you need snippets of info
[11:34] <sudoroot> keeps telling me im not allowed to /etc/apt/sources.list strange
[11:34] <cpk1> sudoroot: usually if you have to ask how to set up root that means you aren't ready yet ;P
[11:35] <sudoroot> im a begginer
[11:35] <surgy> sudoroot: try this: kdesu kat /etc/apt/sources.list          and copy/past the errors to pastebin
[11:35] <cpk1> sudoroot: you can just open it with kate, 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:35] <RedWorm> sudoroot: here are the instructions outlined on some guys webpage: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/01/28/howto-kde-356-on-ubuntu-6%C2%B710-edgy/
[11:35] <surgy> kate*
[11:35] <digitx> van itt magyar ?
[11:36] <surgy> !english digitx
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about english digitx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <surgy> !english|digitx
[11:36] <sudoroot> thanx
[11:36] <ubotu> digitx: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:36] <cpk1> like I said before, that only gives you kde3.5.6 if you use the latest kde package then you wont have to keep changing your repos
[11:36] <MadMatt> does anyone here know how to mount a samba share?
[11:36] <surgy> cpk1: what we talking about?
[11:37] <osh> MadMatt: smbmount?
[11:37] <cpk1> getting kde 3.5.6
[11:37] <cpk1> latest kde repo*
[11:37] <surgy> madmatt: you prolly dont need to "mount it" just open konq and type "smb://[ip] " in the address bar
[11:37] <MadMatt> do you know how to automount or enable it so that users can mount it
[11:37] <RedWorm> cpk1 baby steps
[11:38] <sudoroot> ok when i try this command kdesu kat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <sudoroot> tells me can't find cat
[11:38] <RedWorm> it's kate
[11:38] <sudoroot> kate
[11:38] <sudoroot> whatever
[11:38] <surgy> madmatt: if you want a button for a samba share use a "Link To Location"
[11:38] <surgy> sudoroot: change kat to kate.... sorry
[11:39] <MadMatt> well I can see it on my network but it has to be mounted in order to stream music
[11:39] <digitx> jaja
[11:39] <digitx> kate
[11:39] <sudoroot> ok all leave everything as it is
[11:39] <sudoroot> as i just have to use kubuntu till pclinuxos 2007 is out in few days
[11:39] <cntb> sudoroot excuse, you may need some rest no offense
[11:39] <sudoroot> yes
[11:39] <digitx> o
[11:39] <sudoroot> thanx cntb im going crazy
[11:39] <digitx> sudoroot ?
[11:40] <surgy> digitx: what is your question?
[11:40] <cntb> you sound not at ease
[11:40] <digitx> http://digitx.mine.nu/sources.list
[11:40] <MadMatt> surgy, are you understanding what I mean?
[11:40] <sudoroot> i hate all other distros couse they hard pclinuxos is simply radical but u got best comunity and more close to linux socialist spirt congrats
[11:40] <digitx> >)
[11:41] <surgy> madmatt: yes, and i understand completely, i never needed to "stream" i just connect to the location download the information and then disconnect
[11:41] <sudoroot> btw redworm is right why go crazy to update everything if in few days im switching distro
[11:41] <sudoroot> i did manage to install many things yet do
[11:41] <MadMatt> surgy, I can mount it but I have to be root and it's annoying
[11:41] <sudoroot> thanx to your help all
[11:41] <surgy> digitx: you have to ask a question or we dont know what you want
[11:41] <MadMatt> I want users to be able to mount it
[11:41] <surgy> madmatt: use system settings? tab down and make the owner the user?
[11:42] <MadMatt> surgy, where at in system settings?
[11:42] <Razgriz> ok sorry for late here is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7567/
[11:42] <surgy> madmatt: use system settings create new moint point and point it at your smb mount, tab down and give all permissions to ever user and then click the automount button
[11:43] <sudoroot> ahah u see linux can take your brain cntb if u don't use ti balance
[11:43] <sudoroot> d
[11:43] <sudoroot> like everything btw
[11:43] <cntb> anyone familiar with grub geom error after cloning whole disk for other system ?
[11:43] <surgy> madmatt: disks and filesystems? i dont know i whould assume its there
[11:43] <cntb> yes sudoroot so right
[11:44] <surgy> razgriz whats the question ?
[11:44] <MadMatt> thanks surgy, I will take a look there
[11:44] <surgy> madmatt: any time
[11:44] <Razgriz> I know how to revert to backuped xorg.conf but I want to run beryl so what I need to do to?
[11:44] <sudoroot> i do nead to change both passwords do cntb last thing i do for today can u help me do that?
[11:44] <kalagio> hallo everybody
[11:44] <sudoroot> log in and sudo so
[11:44] <sudoroot> su*
[11:44] <surgy> razgriz: start by joining #veryl
[11:44] <sudoroot> hi kalo
[11:44] <surgy> razgriz sorry its #beryl
[11:44] <Razgriz> when I run with that xorg.conf what I poster I end with no screens error
[11:44] <kalagio> can anybody help installing my web camera?
[11:45] <Razgriz> ok then
[11:45] <dftpnkezln> hey, does anyone know if its possible to preconfigure ubuntu (from the live cd) in a way similar to xconfig?
[11:45] <RedWorm> Razgriz: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[11:45] <Jack111> cpkl hi, there come three versions Linux version 1.2.0, Ucode version 1.14.2, regulatory binary version 1.7.22, which one should i get?
[11:45] <sudoroot> brb
[11:47] <Razgriz> RedWorn: I did everything
[11:47] <crazy_penguin> Good night!
[11:48] <RedWorm> Razgriz: but it's not working?
[11:48] <RedWorm> Razgriz: fire up baryl-manager i think it's called
[11:48] <RedWorm> Razgriz: *beryl
[11:49] <cntb> sudoroot what passwords
[11:49] <casev01> hi
[11:49] <casev01> i canot see the system tray, how can i put it again?
[11:49] <Razgriz> RedWorn: but when I change from KDE to beryl it just went to log screen
[11:49] <MadMatt> surgy, that's pretty cool because I always manually edit the fstab and I didn't even know about this method
[11:50] <RedWorm> Razgriz: huh, something is messed up then, sounds like X windows is crashing
[11:50] <RedWorm> Razgriz: you might have to ask in beryl, sorry
[11:50] <Razgriz> RedWorn: yeah, it is problem with x server
[11:50] <Jack111> hi, this is a stupid question ok, if i want to install for a kubuntu 6.10 i386. iso a wireless driver, which of these install versions - Linux version 1.2.0, Ucode version 1.14.2, regulatory binary version 1.7.22 -
[11:50] <Jack111>  should i choose and how do i know i am on a 32 or a 64 bit system?thanks
[11:50] <dftpnkezln>  recompiled my kernel this morning and now all that im getting from fglrxino is "OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project:" instead of my ATI card - ive uninstalled/reinstalled the ati drivers about 4 times now, anyone have any ideas?
[11:51] <casev01> i canot see the system tray, how can i put it again?
[11:51] <dftpnkezln> fglrxinfo*
[11:51] <RedWorm> casev01: it's an applet
[11:51] <RedWorm> casev01: click on the taskbar and choose add applet, then find it in the list
[11:52] <casev01> i dont see it in the applets
[11:52] <RedWorm> casev01: i think... that's from memory...
[11:52] <casev01> :/
[11:53] <mauro> Jack111: do you know what your processor is ?
[11:53] <cntb> Jack111: some string identifies your MB google that string
[11:53] <RedWorm> casev01: it may not be called system tray (that's a windows name), notification area maybe?
[11:53] <casev01> ok thx
[11:54] <cntb> when turning the machine on in the bottom of screen you may notice MB string Jack111
[11:54] <RedWorm> casev01: sorry not in kubuntu right now, but that should get you close
[11:55] <mauro> casev01: hold on a sec
[11:55] <casev01> ok
[11:55] <Jack111> mauro it is a intel core duo processor
[11:55] <Jack111> mauro centrino
[11:56] <mauro> casev01: what youre loking for is taskbar
[11:56] <mauro> Jack111: thats 32 bit
[11:56] <dc2447> Hi - I am trying the resize an NTFS partition to install Kubuntu - when I go to resize the slice it just hangs - I have also tried using gparted live cd and get a more verbose error" ERROR: Extended record needed (1032 > 1024), not yet supported!" - anyone have any thoughts?
[11:57] <Jack111> ok
[11:57] <Jack111> mauro thank you, for my intel 3945 abg network card which Linux version 1.2.0, Ucode version 1.14.2, regulatory binary version 1.7.22 should i choose? here is the complete install readme file
[11:58] <orient2000> Hi! My bottom bar on desktop is gone. How can I get it back?
[11:58] <soulrider> Jack111: is it a wireless card or wired? im still not sure of what i should answer though
[11:58] <soulrider> Jack111: could you explain your problem a bit more maybe ?
[11:58] <Jack111> soulrider wireless
[11:58] <soulrider> orient2000: button bar?
[11:59] <soulrider> Jack111: i cant really help you, sorry
[11:59] <soulrider> Jack111: i have no experience at alkl with wireless
[11:59] <soulrider> !wireless | Jack111
[11:59] <ubotu> Jack111: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:59] <soulrider> maybe that will help
[11:59] <vbgunz> I am trying to play with "qt4-designer" (I think)... I installed it but it does not show up anywhere. whats up?
[11:59] <orient2000> Yes bottom bar. I can not open any programs , maybe call some mananer progra, from ALT-F2?
[12:00] <soulrider> orient2000: you dont see the bar? like the "start bar" in windows ?
[12:00] <soulrider> or the k menu ?
[12:00] <n8k99> vbgunz it will be in the development menu under your kmenu
[12:00] <orient2000> No, I do not see it. It is hiding and I can not get it back
[12:01] <vbgunz> n8k99: I swear I looked there first. nothing new is there :(
[12:01] <soulrider> orient2000: try opening kicker
[12:01] <RedWorm> orient2000: do you see little tabs on the lower right or left corners?
[12:01] <Jack111> i want to install that driver for the intel pro 3945 wireless card, but it offers me these three install versions-  i guess the first one is the standard one i should go for?Linux version 1.2.0, Ucode version 1.14.2, regulatory binary version 1.7.22 soulrider, thanks anyway
[12:01] <RedWorm> orient2000: w/ little arrows on them?
[12:01] <n8k99> vbgunz interesting
[12:01] <jott_> vbgunz: the executable is called designer-qt4 ...
[12:01] <n8k99> did you try opening it from konsole vbgunz
[12:02] <vbgunz> I installed "qt4-designer" on Ubuntu 6.10 (Kubuntu). It seems to have gone in just fine. it is no where on my machine :(
[12:02] <vbgunz> designer-qt4 worked
[12:02] <jott_> vbgunz: you could also check with " dpkg-query -L qt4-designer " to see what files are in the package...
[12:02] <n8k99> ah-ha!
[12:02] <n8k99> vbgunz you may have to add it to your kmenu
[12:03] <vbgunz> but it never showed up in the menu, and I ran apropos qt and got a few hits, designer-qt4 wasn't in there
[12:03] <Aiken> with feitsy should an ide cdrw as /dev/hdd be  'brw-rw---- 1 root floppy'  instead of root cdrom ?
[12:03] <vbgunz> jott_: thanks for that tip on dpkg, I'll try to keep in mind from now on
[12:04] <jott_> vbgunz: plus you can use kdevelop as it integrates the designer...
[12:04] <gan|y|med> hi
[12:04] <vbgunz> I am not sure what I am doing, kommander sparked my interest to be honest
[12:05] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:05] <gan|y|med> i am running edgy. though powernowd is registered for start-up via update-rc.d it is not started. any ideas why?
[12:05] <Ace2016> why is gstreamer 8 and 10 in the repos? is there a big difference between them? is 10 unstable?
[12:06] <yaccin> why are hibernate and suspend not working?
[12:06] <yaccin> !suspend
[12:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:06] <yaccin> !hibernate
[12:06] <ubotu> hibernate: smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.91-2 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 364 kB
[12:06] <orient2000> I can not get my desktop bar. It is hiding there. What can I do?
[12:07] <RedWorm> orient2000: did you see small tabs w/ arrows on them in the corners of yoru desktop?
[12:07] <vbgunz> I certainly hope the qt designer documentation is better than kommanders. kommander is beautiful but my docs at least suck :(
[12:07] <underdog5004> orient2000, try putting the cursor in one of the corners on your desktop
[12:07] <hellcattrav> hey all I'm back
[12:07] <Ace2016> hey
[12:08] <Ace2016> orient2000: which desktop bar?
[12:08] <gan|y|med> i am running edgy. though powernowd is registered for start-up via update-rc.d it is not started. any ideas why?
[12:08] <hellcattrav> so i tried looking up more docs to get firefox to work...but no luck
[12:08] <underdog5004> gan|y|med, maybe put in ~/.kde/autostart
[12:08] <Ace2016> firefox to work with what?
[12:08] <underdog5004> put it in there
[12:09] <orient2000> No tabs in there, nothing, no bottom bar with programs, no start like in windows, I am in KDE
[12:09] <gan|y|med> hmm. that doesn't solve the problem though
[12:09] <underdog5004> orient2000, try putting the cursor in one of the corners on your desktop
[12:09] <orient2000> I just see background and icons
[12:09] <underdog5004> try all of the corners
[12:09] <underdog5004> I know, just float the cursor over each corner
[12:10] <Ace2016> orient2000: did you hide it yourself or is it not starting?
[12:10] <RedWorm> orient2000: was it there when you logged in?
[12:10] <gan|y|med> also, xorg constantly causes my cpu to be at 30% usage... any ideas why?
[12:10] <hellcattrav> firefox keeps crashing when i go to yahoo
[12:11] <surgy> hey underdog5004 whats up man?
[12:11] <gan|y|med> even now i cannot get less than 55C though all i am doing is using irc
[12:11] <vbgunz> jott_: whats does kdevelop and the designer offer that the designer by itself does not? I know Python and PostgreSQL if it makes a difference
[12:11] <surgy> you guys should join the off topi channel
[12:11] <surgy> !off topic
[12:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about off topic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:11] <surgy> !topic
[12:11] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[12:11] <orient2000> It happened after browsing on internet maybe some script from pop up. bar suppose to hide after 5 seconds. I have to call some manager program from ALT-F2 but I do not know the name.
[12:12] <RedWorm> !offtopic
[12:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:12] <hellcattrav> i don't have the paste bin fiel any longer
[12:12] <RedWorm> :)
[12:12] <surgy> redworm thnx
[12:12] <Ace2016> lol
[12:13] <hellcattrav> anyone have any ideas on this firefox bug?
[12:13] <Ace2016> orient2000: its calle kicker
[12:13] <Ace2016> called*
[12:13] <hellcattrav> should i just purge it and reinstall it?