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imbrandoncrimsun, i was wondering if you ( and LaserJock if wanted ) to help me come up with a short list of common packages ( like vim-full etc ) that should be installed on the build machines12:13
LaserJocktonyyarusso: I'm around12:13
imbrandonso i can make sure and have the common things like cvs subversion bzr etc installed before i announce it12:13
tonyyarussoawesome, found my mistake.12:13
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Cool.  Same @earthlink.net address if that helps you track it down.12:13
tonyyarussoI think that's the last time I attempt dput from home until we get a new connection :P12:14
tonyyarusso(It was running for, um, five hours?)12:14
imbrandons/build/build boxes/12:14
tonyyarussoSomeone should make an aw-heck-I-build-a-lot-so-gimme metapackage.12:15
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crimsunimbrandon: I always install build-essential, devscripts, linux-headers-$(uname -r), mercurial, cvs, subversion, monotone, bzr, dpatch, cdbs, scons, quilt, pbuilder and sbuild12:16
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imbrandonsounds like a good list to me, past that people can request things 12:17
crimsunif it's a kubuntu machine, I also build-dep amarok-xine12:17
crimsunif it's an ubuntu machine, I also build-dep evolution12:17
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imbrandonits ubuntu server ( the ones for the buildd )12:18
imbrandonso really neither12:18
imbrandonor both12:19
imbrandonhehe12:19
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crimsunimbrandon: you'll probably want debhelper, too12:27
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imbrandonyea i had that one12:29
imbrandonokies i think those are finaly ready for general user consumption12:30
imbrandonwell moreso than just me announcing in here12:30
imbrandonthanks crimsun 12:30
imbrandonplus within reason if someone asks for a package installed i'm not against it12:30
imbrandonbecause it is only -dev and -core-dev on the boxes so there should be some level of trust12:31
crimsungosh, if you trust me, you be up a creek12:32
imbrandonhehe12:32
shawarmaWe're getting build servers?12:32
shawarmashiny ones?12:32
tonyyarussosay what?12:32
imbrandoni have 2 setup at the moment and a 3rd installing12:32
tonyyarussooh, only for -dev and -core-dev - I'm not that cool yet :P12:32
imbrandonand a 4th "someday"12:33
shawarmaimbrandon: Which ones? Who's paying?12:33
crimsunit's all part of brandon's ominous plan to steal our ~/.id_dsa.pubs. Oh wait...12:33
imbrandoni'm paying for most of them uptill now12:33
imbrandonand siretart donated a sparc to use12:33
imbrandon;)12:33
shawarmaYES! Just what I wanted to hear!12:34
shawarmaI've been dying to get access to a sparc.12:34
crimsunI have some pizza boxes if you'd like some sparcs12:34
imbrandonso at the moment there is a i386 , and sparc ready to use, ppc is installing12:34
imbrandoncrimsun, rackable ones?12:34
imbrandonnice12:34
tonyyarussoHow silly would it be to try to build a graphical application on sparc, just in case?12:34
crimsunwell, they're _much_ too slow to be useful, I'm afraid (they're SS20s)12:35
imbrandonhehe12:35
shawarmacrimsun: I know next to nothing about sparcs. I just have a package that ftbfs on sparc and ia64 and I can't figure out why.12:35
imbrandonthe one in use now is a ultra 10, its not a speed demon but the number of sparc only bugs isnt high12:35
imbrandonshawarma, are you in ubuntu-dev ?12:36
shawarmaimbrandon: Yup.12:36
imbrandonis your ssh key on LP ?12:36
shawarmayup12:36
tonyyarussoThe one I'm working on failed on PPC last time, but built on x86 and amd64..12:36
imbrandonthen ssh sparky.build.imbrandon.com and try'her out12:36
imbrandonpbuilder-$dist is your friend12:37
imbrandoneg pbuilder-feisty12:37
shawarmaROCK!12:37
imbrandoni havent made the "official" announcement , but i planned on it today12:37
imbrandonso have at it12:37
imbrandonlemme know if you have any issues12:37
tonyyarussoTo do a feisty pbuilder on a non-feisty machine, you need a feisty debootstrap, correct?12:37
shawarmaI've been looking for spelling mistakes in man pages of the package just to have an excuse to upload a version with some extra debugging to the build servers.12:37
imbrandontonyyarusso, or the backported debootstrap12:38
zul*yawn*12:38
tonyyarussoimbrandon: Ah.12:38
imbrandonshawarma, and the i386 buildd is just build.imbrandon.com12:39
imbrandonjust FYI12:39
imbrandoni'll makeup a doc about it soonish12:39
shawarmaimbrandon: Did you just go through all the mutu's on launchpad and fetch out ssh keys or have you been smarter about it?12:39
imbrandonand ajmitch and myself are the admins on the boxes for the moment if anything goes crazy12:40
imbrandonshawarma, i ahve a script that syncs12:40
tonyyarussoimbrandon: no 64-bit one then?12:40
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imbrandonso if the key changes on LP it will be updated on the boxen too12:40
imbrandontonyyarusso, the x86_64 is the "4th"12:40
tonyyarussorighto12:40
shawarmaimbrandon: Ok. I just remember implementing authenticate-against-launchpad in a paramiko-based ssh server a while back.. I thought you might have smoked from the same crack pipe as me..12:41
imbrandone.g. not at the moment but is planned shortly12:41
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imbrandonshawarma, ahh cool, no , no crack like that ;)12:41
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imbrandonjust a bash script that grabs the accounts and keys of dev and core-dev12:42
shawarmaimbrandon: Right.12:42
imbrandoni ahvent implemented account removal yet, but as accounts only expire every two years i ahve time12:42
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imbrandonheya Hobbsee 12:43
Adri2000hi Hobbsee 12:44
Adri2000imbrandon: access to build machines for all motus? wow :)12:45
imbrandonyes12:45
tonyyarussoOkay, I have some lintian warnings (but not errors) on the resulting deb I got, and need to know how serious they are:12:45
imbrandonthat was the who intention of them ;)12:45
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tonyyarussobinary-without-manpage, image-file-in-usr-lib, and extended-description-line-too-long  ?12:46
shawarmatonyyarusso: lintian-info is your friend.12:46
tonyyarussoright12:47
theCoreHobbsee: hi12:49
theCoreHobbsee: have you found a way to "fix" bug 8408412:50
UbugtuMalone bug 84084 in supertux "SuperTux 0.3.0 is officially unsupported!" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8408412:50
imbrandonshawarma, get in ok?12:51
shawarmaimbrandon: Sure, I'm compiling my package now. Wheeee!12:51
shawarmaimbrandon: :-)12:51
shawarmaimbrandon: This is so great!12:51
tonyyarussoshawarma: Clearly they aren't ideal, but some, particularly image-file-in-usr-lib, would require either a lot of work or changes upstream to handle.  I'll definitely fix the description one, not sure what there is to say in a manpage for it.12:51
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theCoreHobbsee: I will start thinking this guy is a troll, if he continues to act without any manner12:52
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zulmeld is a pretty good develipment tool as well12:52
imbrandonheh just be nice the sparc isnt a speed demon ;)12:52
jdongzul: meld the merging tool?12:53
HobbseetheCore: looking12:53
imbrandonok zul 12:53
zuljdong: yep12:54
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jdongzul: fully agreed, very handy esp. for merging :)12:54
tonyyarussoDoes anyone know of an easy way to fix the /usr/lib vs /usr/share issue for images without seriously hacking up the source code?  I'm listening :)12:54
crimsundjwings ta gmail tod com seems adamant about Ubuntu not shipping 0.3x, but what do the _developers_ say?12:55
zuledit the makefile?12:55
HobbseetheCore: oh yes, i meant to check.  has debian also had a bug filed against them?12:55
jdongtonyyarusso: find the dev's address, find a large blunt instrument.....12:55
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theCoreHobbsee: I don't know12:55
tonyyarussojdong: He's actually reasonably receptive to most of my comments so far.  However, he's doing this particular program mostly as a bugfix of another, so wants to change as little as possible of the underlying stuff.12:56
tonyyarussozul: patching might be an option, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it.12:56
theCoreHobbsee: hmm... well there was a bug complaining about SuperTux 0.3 wasn't packaged 12:58
HobbseetheCore: exactly, and there were a certain few devs that wanted it :P12:58
theCorehttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=40467612:58
UbugtuDebian bug 404676 in supertux "New upstream release: 0.3.0" [Wishlist,Closed]  12:58
theCoreHobbsee: maybe I should ask a main developer what they think 12:59
theCoreHobbsee: I am septic about this DJ Wing guy01:00
HobbseetheCore: i'm doing that now01:00
theCoreHobbsee: thanks01:00
crimsunask an upstream supertux dev, yes.01:00
tonyyarussoimbrandon: you said you were working on getting a PPC up?01:01
tonyyarussoany of you folks want to test build something for me on it?01:02
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crimsuntonyyarusso: cdbs-edit-patch or dpatch-edit-patch01:04
HobbseetheCore: http://rafb.net/p/nnqqP394.html01:06
shawarmaimbrandon: It might be a good idea to make pbuilder's resultdir be somewhere in the user's homedir. That way, we can clean up after ourselves. :-)01:07
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imbrandontonyyarusso, yes01:09
imbrandonshawarma, i thought about that 01:09
imbrandoni might possibly sometime01:09
shawarmaimbrandon: Either that or chmod the result dirs to 1777 or something.01:10
imbrandonahh i thought I had actualy01:10
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crimsunHobbsee: / theCore: you could roll it back to (fakesync with) Debian unstable's 0.1.3-1.1, but version ours 0.3.0-0ubuntu1+really0.1.301:10
shawarmaimbrandon: That would enable us to clean up after ourselves without allowing us to mess with each other's stuff.01:11
crimsunHobbsee: err, no, different tar.gzs, sorry01:11
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Hobbseecrimsun: i'm thinking of getting them to remove it from the archive, then direct sync debian's version01:12
Hobbseeeither version01:12
imbrandonthat would break anyone that has it installed01:12
imbrandonand mirrors01:12
shawarmaHobbsee: I'm not sure that would work very well for the mirrors.01:12
Hobbseehrm01:12
imbrandonok who wants to try the other thing i've had up my sleeve the last few days01:13
StevenKAny way you look at it, it's going to be messy.01:14
shawarmaimbrandon: me me!01:14
imbrandona free Ubuntu-ish Jabber and Email server01:14
imbrandonhttp://www.ubuntuwire.com/01:14
shawarmaimbrandon: Ah, yes, I saw that a few days ago, I think.01:14
HobbseeStevenK: exactly01:14
shawarmaimbrandon: Or am I on crack?01:14
imbrandoncheck it out, abuse it, and lemme know, i'ma blog about it soon01:14
imbrandonshawarma, it wasent ready yet01:14
imbrandonnow you can actauly make accounts and they work01:14
shawarmaimbrandon: No, but I stumbled upon it somehow anyway.01:15
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice :)01:15
imbrandonhum someone jabber me real fast , brandon@ubuntuwore.com01:16
imbrandonerr @ubuntuwire.com01:16
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theCoreHobbsee: so, it's true...01:19
tonyyarussoI can't figure out why compiling errors out with a syntax error of all things on one architecture and not another.01:19
shawarmatonyyarusso: No, that does sound strange.01:19
tonyyarussoerr, wait, maybe that's not it.01:20
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tonyyarussonvm, this seems to be the problem:  /bin/sh: line 2: ../../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_glibc_PTH_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall: cannot execute binary file01:20
imbrandonlol01:21
Hobbseeimbrandon: done01:21
theCoreHobbsee: is it possible to roll back a package?01:21
tonyyarussoAm I to interpret that as it trying to run an x86 binary for a PPC compile?  wth!01:22
HobbseetheCore: effectively no. 01:22
HobbseetheCore: oh, i know01:22
HobbseetheCore: grab the debian 0.1.3, change the packagename to supertux-old, make it conflict with supertux, and put a warning in supertux that it's a snapshot, and that supertux-old is the stable one.01:23
imbrandonHobbsee, i ment jabber not email but that works too ;)01:23
Hobbseei dont think that most people will *want* to use the old version, so wont install it, but it's there01:23
theCoreHobbsee: that would be great01:23
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crimsunHobbsee: or perhaps -stable instead of -old01:24
Hobbseecrimsun: yeah01:24
Hobbseecrimsun: which isnt much overhead for us, of course - we just remove it from the archives when 2.0 is out01:24
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shawarmaGoodnight, guys.01:27
crimsun'night01:27
imbrandongnight01:27
theCoreHobbsee: what should I say in the changelog entry? "Renamed the package to `supertux-stable'. (closes: #84084)"?01:31
thelsdjls01:31
HobbseetheCore: i wouldnt rename it01:31
thelsdjheh woops01:31
HobbseetheCore: we can distribute both01:31
HobbseetheCore: just add a new package, in, called supertux-stable, which is from debian.01:31
theCoreso, I just junk the whole changelog???01:32
StevenKNo, junk up until 0.1.3-101:32
StevenKEr, from01:32
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Hobbseethen just add the stable version to ubuntu01:32
StevenKOh, if it's straight from Debian, leave it all alone, yes.01:33
Hobbseeas in, call the 0.3.0 version supertux, and the 0.1.3 version supertux-stable01:33
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HobbseeStevenK: well, the name changes.01:33
StevenKSo the new entry 0.1.3-1ubuntu1 has the source package name 'supertux-stable', the entries underneath can still have a source package name of supertux01:34
theCoreStevenK: yep01:34
StevenKHow about we also have supertux Recommend supertux-stable? :-P01:34
theCoresupertux-stable (0.1.3-1.1ubuntu0) feisty; urgency=low  * New package `supertux-stable' for the supported version01:34
theCore    of SuperTux. (closes: #84084)01:34
theCorelook good?01:34
StevenKWhy not ubuntu1?01:34
theCoreoh, right01:35
HobbseeStevenK: files trying to overwrite each other :P  needs a conflicts, really01:36
theCoredo I rename supertux-data to supertux-data-stable supertux-stable-data?01:37
Hobbseethe former01:38
Hobbseeand make sure you change the deps over, too, of course01:38
theCoreyes, I did01:38
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theCoreok, done01:39
Hobbseeneat :)01:39
Hobbseestick it on revu?01:39
StevenKHobbsee: Ah, Conflicts and Recommends is what I meant. :-)01:39
HobbseeStevenK: yes01:39
Hobbseewhy recommends, with recommending by default?01:40
StevenKThat's the point, it will blow up...01:40
Hobbseeah01:40
StevenK:-P01:40
Hobbseeso then you can install supertux still, cant you?01:40
Hobbseeyes, if you dont install recommends by default01:40
StevenKI was actually joking, anyway01:40
StevenKConflicts, Replaces and Provides should be set to supertux01:41
StevenKsupertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable01:41
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theCore_Hobbsee: uploaded01:59
HobbseetheCore_: to revu?  yay :)01:59
HobbseetheCore_: or are you a MOTU?01:59
theCore_well, almost01:59
theCore_to revu02:00
theCoredone02:00
theCorehopefully, I haven't done any mistake02:01
tonyyarussoDoes anyone have PPC machines?  I need someone else to test a build.  It failed on the one I tried so far, and it's a bit weird.02:01
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theCoreHobbsee: should I change supertux, too?02:01
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HobbseetheCore: [11:41]  <StevenK> supertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable02:02
Hobbseeso, yes02:02
theCoreok, I am on it02:02
Hobbseecool :)02:03
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tonyyarussoimbrandon: is yours ready yet?02:04
imbrandonmy what?02:05
imbrandonif you mean ppc no, it takes me days to get new machines ready02:05
tonyyarussoAh, ok.  Didn't know if this was a like pop in the disk and wait an hour kind of get ready or more involved02:07
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LaserJockwhy does KDE hate me? :(02:10
zulbecause there could be alot of reasons02:10
LaserJockI never said anything really bad about it02:10
tonyyarussoLaserJock: Because it's confusing J with G, and letting some of it's extra Gnome wrath out on you.02:10
LaserJockhmm02:11
LaserJockmy computer just freezes if I don't use it for a while02:14
LaserJockI *think* it only happens in KDE02:14
theCoreHobbsee: uploading supertux to revu02:15
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theCoreHobbsee: supertux-stable has been rejected02:19
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theCoreok, supertux is fully uploaded02:24
theCoreahh....02:26
theCoredoh....02:26
HobbseetheCore: why'd it get rejected?02:26
gnomefreakto set up a second chroot env. would i use /var/chroot(name of first) or would i make a /var/chroot2 and still beable to use dchroot -c bleh -d?02:26
theCoreHobbsee: I uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com instead of revu 02:27
HobbseetheCore: ah.  yes, that occasionally bit me, too.02:27
Hobbseebefore i got REVU, of course - now i just try to upload to main, occasionally02:27
HobbseetheCore: so supertux-stable is on REVU - can you do a debdiff of the supertux package?02:27
theCoreI uploaded both to u.u.c02:28
theCoreso, try #202:28
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theCoreok, see ya later02:28
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tonyyarussoThings that should be considered in the future are listed in debian/TODO, correct?02:50
tonyyarussoor TODO.Debian02:51
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theCoreHobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4486 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=448702:54
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siretartgiskard: pong?02:59
ajmitchafternoon03:03
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jdongcrimsun: ping03:08
jdongoops forgot03:08
jdongcrimsun: regarding bug 87687, I am incapable of producing a UVFe because I cannot make a Ubuntu-quality debdiff for the new release.03:08
UbugtuMalone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8768703:08
jdongand IMO it's not a Wishlist item... By uploading Xorg 7.2 xserver-xgl was completely broken03:09
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sistpotyhi folks03:10
jdonghi siretart 03:10
jdonggrr03:10
jdongsistpoty: 03:11
sistpotyhi jdong03:11
jdong:)03:11
jdongxchat tab needs to die a slow painful death by listening to Bush speeches on repeat.03:11
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ajmitchhi sistpoty 03:13
sistpotyhi ajmitch03:13
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=== sistpoty is just looking at supertux/supertux-stable
Hobbseesistpoty: hooray03:20
sistpotyhm... I wonder if a versioned replaces of supertux-stable to supertux (< 0.3.0) would draw in supertux-stable instead of supertux for everyone still having the stable version installed03:20
sistpotyI guess I'll need to try that with a local repo03:20
sistpotyajmitch, crimsun: what do you think about the supertux situation? do we want a supertux-stable? if so, will I get an FF exception for it? *g*03:22
imbrandon2/me is off to sleep03:22
imbrandongnight folks03:22
sistpotygn8 imbrandon03:22
pochunight!03:22
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tonyyarussoajmitch: Could you please clear the partial upload from me on REVU?  LaserJock was going to earlier, but apparently forgot.03:26
ajmitchonly if you tell me what it is03:27
tonyyarussoajmitch: kompozer, from tonyyarusso at earthlink dot net03:27
ajmitchkompozer, I presume?03:27
tonyyarussoyep03:27
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ajmitchwell there's nothing linking it to you :)03:28
ajmitchunless i peek through the .dsc files03:28
tonyyarussoah03:28
ajmitchdone03:28
tonyyarussothanks03:28
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tonyyarussoCould I please get some people to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488?  (You may want to also note bug 60353)04:01
UbugtuMalone bug 60353 in nvu "Nvu's unofficial bug-fix release" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6035304:01
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tonyyarussoLaserJock: Just got something up if you're interested, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=448804:03
bureadoGreetings. I maintain a package in Debian which is also present in Ubuntu (will release in Feisty) but the version being released is outdated. I've requested an unfreeze in Debian, but I would like to know if I can upload the newer version to REVU in order to get it considered for Feisty.04:03
tonyyarussoHobbsee: also at one time said you might look at my work?04:03
Hobbseetonyyarusso: sometime, yes :)04:03
tonyyarussoHobbsee: ok04:03
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LaserJockbureado: we are under Upstream Version Freeze for Feisty04:04
jdongat all risk of point-and-laugh-at-jdong, I've filed UVFe for bug 87687....04:05
UbugtuMalone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8768704:05
bureadoLaserJock: Does that mean you won't consider newer versions of the packages? I've read the wikipage regarding UVF, and I wrote Matt Zimmerman and Colin Watson, but I don't know if I'm required to act on it, like uploading the package to REVU or something. I'm not really involved in Ubuntu maintainership (but would love to, indeed!)04:07
jdongbureado: you have to file a bug report with good reason for it to be done....04:07
jdongand it's also expected that all the work be done04:07
jdongand the masters just click a button :)04:07
bureadojdong: I see. I should file a bug on which package/product/section/whatever Launchpad calls it?04:09
LaserJockbureado: check out section 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess04:09
bureadojdong: Never mind, I'll read - thanks!04:09
bureadoLaserJock: Thanks!04:10
jdong:)04:10
bureadoJust in case, it's nginx, a small webserver -> debian.bureado.com.ve/nginx04:10
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bureado0.5.13 provides SSL and FLV streaming support, and 0.4 (the one that's being released in Feisty) is outdated :(04:10
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tonyyarussojdong: Do you have a minute to glace over my revu ul for errors?04:13
jdongtonyyarusso: I am a moron when it comes to package :)04:13
jdongpackaging*04:13
jdongand plus I'm 30h without sleep04:13
tonyyarussojdong: bah, fine :P04:13
jdongso do not trust my advice :)04:14
tonyyarussojdong: you don't happen to have a PPC machine do you...?04:14
tonyyarussoI'm especially worried about that architecture.04:14
LaserJockimbrandon: around?04:15
jdongtonyyarusso: pfft nope :) I'm wondering the same :)04:15
jdongPPC has been really nasty to me.04:15
jdongactually I highly doubt any PPC'ers care about xgl04:15
jdongXgl's mostly for dealing with ATI/AMD's craptastic fglrx04:16
sistpotytheCore: around? I'm just testing supertux/supertux-stable...04:23
theCoresistpoty: yes04:23
theCoresistpoty: I'm fixing the things you mentioned on REVU04:23
sistpotytheCore: fine... supertux-stable needs a few dirs updated in debian/rules, also debian/supertux-data.dirs -> debian/supertux-data-stable.dirs04:24
sistpotytheCore: and as it looks there is a bashism in debian/rules as well, so maybe SHELL=/bin/bash in there will fix this04:24
bddebianHeya sistpoty04:25
sistpotyhowever the interesting part is the upgrade path, which I'll test in a few minutes... still fiddling with mini-dinstall ;)04:25
sistpotyhi bddebian04:25
bddebianWas xmule removed from the archives?04:26
theCoresistpoty: so, you did fix the build problems?04:26
sistpotytheCore: yep, should I put it to revu?04:26
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theCoreyeah, why not?04:26
sistpotyok04:27
bddebianYep.. Hmm04:27
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=== bluefoxicy mmns... ponders xnest + ssh -XC + gdm == faster than VNC and more secure than XDMCP...
Bipolaris anyone here working on the kde 4 test packages?04:28
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Bipolarbluefoxicy: I dont think you would find that to be faster04:31
thelsdjya i was going to say the same thing04:31
Bipolarbluefoxicy: if you want super fast remote X, check out NX04:31
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bluefoxicyI generally find ssh -XC to be faster than vnc :(04:32
Bipolarbluefoxicy: over a local network, sure.04:33
bluefoxicyyeah04:33
bluefoxicyalso I run vnc both directly and over ssh so I've seen both.. it comes and goes.  NX would be awesome though04:34
Bipolarbluefoxicy: vnc does a lot more compression, which just adds latency over a fat pipe04:34
BipolarI wish there was an nx compression option in ssh04:34
bluefoxicyhaha04:34
bluefoxicyWRITE IT!  :D04:34
bluefoxicyssh -X:  use X forwarding04:34
bluefoxicyssh -XCC:  use X forwarding with compression with NX compression on X forwarding04:35
bluefoxicy>:D04:35
_ionYeah, NX rules.04:38
jdongNX rules too :)04:39
jdongbut isn't it a security nightmare?04:39
jdongi.e. being an alternate X server?04:39
_ionI thought it tunnels everything though ssh.04:40
tonyyarussobddebian, sistpoty: Any chance either of you have a moment to glance over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 ?04:40
jdong_ion: nonetheless it's a 2nd X server implementation04:40
jdongand X client for that matter04:40
jdong_ion: (personally I am an avid NX user)04:41
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bddebiantonyyarusso: I might be able to in a bit04:43
tonyyarussobddebian: That would be lovely.04:43
sistpotyah... sheesh... now I've created a second revu account for myself *G*04:43
bluefoxicyjdong:  meaning more root-level code?04:44
jdongbluefoxicy: no, another source of security vulnerabilities to manage.04:44
bluefoxicyah04:44
jdongbluefoxicy: it's not like the base Xorg code hasn't had security vulns04:44
bluefoxicyright, it only needs root to draw on the hardware, forgot04:44
jdongbluefoxicy: and fixing Xorg does not fix NX :)04:45
jdongNX is like another copy of Xorg :)04:45
bluefoxicyyeah04:45
bluefoxicyI know how security works kthx :)04:45
jdongand plus all the packaging for it is "whoo"04:45
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bluefoxicyvoodoo != secure :(04:45
jdongso apparently the archive managers aren't terribly happy with the packaging04:45
tonyyarussoWhen "Subject: REVU blahblah" type e-mails show up on the -motu mailing list, are those through some sort of automation thing, or hand-written?04:45
bluefoxicyjdong:  I want virt-manager04:46
jdongSe<no_ping>veas used to maintain a repo of freenx04:46
jdonglike since Breezy/Hoary04:46
jdongI think that's still available for Edgy04:46
jdongand it still isn't ready for inclusion04:46
jdongyay :)04:46
bluefoxicyjdong:  I'm using ssh to forward virt-manager over from a fedora box now and working on installing VMs04:47
bluefoxicyjdong:  I can honestly say I hate fedora/redhat more than I did this morning.04:47
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bluefoxicyubuntu will be much better for this if we ever get good Xen support :/04:48
bluefoxicythere's like 5 times more services running out of the box04:48
jdongbluefoxicy: yeah true :)04:50
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pochugood bye motus!04:52
thelsdjbluefoxicy: i've been doing xen with gentoo for a year now04:52
bluefoxicythelsdj:  I started with Xen on Gentoo, with v1.0 :)04:52
thelsdjhey, if my boss wants to pay me to sit around waiting for shit to compile, fine with me04:52
bluefoxicyI'm planning my CCDC strategy and looking at how easy it is to set up a Xen domain04:53
bluefoxicythelsdj:  my boss emphasises that we use multi-tasking OSes04:53
bluefoxicyI work in support04:53
bluefoxicywe're expected to be able to talk to someone on the phone, handle 4 people chatting in, research and reproduce all their issues, fix some, and maybe be working on something unrelated, all at the same time.04:53
bluefoxicyTo enable us to accomplish this task.....04:53
bluefoxicy.....they hooked up 2 19 inch monitors to each workstation.04:54
thelsdjdid you insist on 2x 2 core opteron?04:54
bluefoxicyno04:54
jdongthelsdj: you mean the 2x2core Xeon Woodcrest? ;-)04:54
thelsdj(i have one of those sitting on my desk waiting to go into colo on monday) heh04:54
thelsdj9.6ghz should be enough for anyone04:54
thelsdjsad thing is..04:55
bluefoxicyjdong:  we use 2x2 Xeon with SMT enabled o.o04:55
jdongthelsdj: so was 640K RAM :D04:55
thelsdjits going to become a windows 2003 server :(04:55
bluefoxicyjdong:  8 threads, but half of those are hyperthreading.04:55
jdongbluefoxicy: cool :) the new Core 2 based ones? ;-)04:55
jdongor the old Netbursts04:55
jdongthe Core-based Xeons rock04:55
jdongpoor poor AMD04:55
bluefoxicydoes their hyperthreading still suck?04:55
bluefoxicyAMD is not really out of the game04:55
jdongthey don't hyperthread anymore.04:55
bluefoxicythey are on 90nm technology04:55
jdongthey don't need to04:55
thelsdjwe're probably going to be putting some xeon 3000's in or whatever they are04:55
bluefoxicyand intel does 65nm04:56
jdongbluefoxicy: 45nm later this year ;-)04:56
bluefoxicyAMD will catch up.04:56
jdongbluefoxicy: AMD needs time.04:56
bluefoxicyjdong:  Ours hyperthread.04:56
bluefoxicythey have 2MB of L1 cache somehow04:56
bluefoxicyI have nfc how04:56
jdongbluefoxicy: well the newer ones don't need to hyperthread :)04:56
jdongand they don't have 2MB L104:56
jdongthey have 2x2MB L204:56
jdongnew ones have 4MB L2 shared.04:56
bluefoxicybut they're dual core and each core hyperthreads04:56
bluefoxicyso each CPU acts as 4 CPUs04:56
jdonglol04:56
jdongsadly that doesn't help out much :D04:56
jdongthough it looks REALLY cool04:57
jdongon a CPU monitor04:57
thelsdjbut back to the subject that began this, i really would love to see great ubuntu support for xen, though my boss would prefer openbsd support as xen host04:57
bluefoxicyhahahahahaha04:57
bluefoxicy<-- hates OpenBSD04:57
thelsdji'm kinda the same, i'm more interested in just using ubuntu as xen guest04:57
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thelsdji like openbsd04:57
jdongfeels like so much maintenance04:57
jdongthey're great OS'es04:57
bluefoxicyI'm more interested in using OSes that don't use security through bullshit claims04:57
jdongbut I can't babysit them....04:57
thelsdjopenbsd just works, and works, and works04:57
bluefoxicyopenbsd just worsk... if you can ever get it installed04:58
bluefoxicyit's secure... if you're absolutely sure you configured it right04:58
thelsdjwe run it on firewalls with almost no maintanence04:58
thelsdjand the install is dead simple04:58
bluefoxicyit has security features... along with an assload of "security features" that don't increase security, but make it slower.04:58
thelsdji can crack out reinstall in 15 minutes04:58
thelsdjor less04:58
bluefoxicy(yes it has some nice security stuff)04:58
jdongthelsdj: you are A LOT MORE ALIVE while dead than me.04:58
jdongand you are a lot more experienced with the OS than me04:58
bluefoxicythelsdj:  I can't install OpenBSD on anything with other OSes on it04:58
thelsdjactually, i just have a cheatsheet04:58
jdongthelsdj: ten bucks it won't take me 15 minutes or close to that to do it :)04:58
thelsdjthe install has been the same for years04:59
thelsdjso you only need to learn it once04:59
jdongLMAO Gentoo-ism04:59
jdonglol04:59
bluefoxicythelsdj:  last time I tried to install OBSD it was like, "Create a partition.  OK, now create slices in it.  Enter CHS"04:59
jdong"I can't install Fedora in advanced partitioning... I only can do Gentoo!"04:59
bluefoxicyit let me create a partition to the left of the beginning of the disk..........04:59
bluefoxicyor anywhere04:59
bluefoxicyso04:59
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bluefoxicyunless I checked and double-checked and was absolutely sure of the values I was putting in it04:59
bluefoxicyit would easily destroy my disk as soon as I went on.04:59
thelsdji agree it could be a pain if you're trying to do something silly like dual boot it, but why wouold you want to dual boot a firewall?04:59
bluefoxicyI'm not gonna chance it.04:59
bluefoxicyFirewalls are easy for anything05:00
thelsdjuse a small disk, we prefer solid state disks05:00
bluefoxicyI wouldn't run OBSD as a server though.05:00
bluefoxicyfor a firewall... I don't care, gentoo or debian or obsd or netbsd, it doesn't do anything really complex anyway.05:00
thelsdjactually we are moving some stuff to openbsd, we run a minimal http server to do OTP authentication to allow access through the firewall05:00
bluefoxicymmm opie05:00
bluefoxicyHmm05:01
bluefoxicyyou know, a specialized Xen install would be awesomeness.05:01
thelsdjwhat do you mean?05:02
bluefoxicyNo desktop environment, no printers, no daemons (well, ssh)05:02
thelsdjare you talking host or guest?05:02
bluefoxicyinstall the GUI tools, create a user, then ssh into the box (ssh -XC) and run virt-manager or xenman from another machine05:02
bluefoxicyhost05:02
bluefoxicyI'm thinking, there should be an ultra-minimal host OS install specifically for Xen host, so it doesn't use up much memory (maybe 30MB?)05:03
bluefoxicy<-- fantasizing05:03
bluefoxicyyou can tell i love virtualization can't you05:04
bluefoxicyROFL05:05
thelsdjwell i say take ubuntu-server and add a new install option that makes it install xen is first step :)05:06
thelsdj(and then make it actually work)05:07
tonyyarussoI'd like to see e-mail server as an option too05:08
thelsdj(and then fix whatever you broke)05:08
thelsdjpersonally i do my xen installs pretty manually, i actually use the latest xen-unstable from mercurial :)05:09
thelsdjubuntu-server also needs to have an option for installing into a chroot from an existing linux installation thats running05:09
thelsdj(to use it for guests)05:10
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sistpotygn8 everyone05:11
LaserJockgoodness05:11
LaserJockit's more like good morning05:11
Hobbseehey LaserJock 05:12
Hobbseeindeed.  it's 3pm05:12
bddebianDamn I hate C++05:12
thelsdjdamn i hate computers05:12
LaserJockbddebian: you do?05:12
thelsdjoh wait, i've spent the last 8 years of my life doing nothing but playing with computers, what a waste05:12
bluefoxicytonyyarusso:  I want samba 4 to be done so I can have an active directory domain controller05:13
tonyyarussosamba...shudder05:13
bddebianLaserJock: Yeah :-(05:13
Hobbseetonyyarusso: looks...fun05:15
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tonyyarussoHobbsee: Oh it was!  lol...05:15
tonyyarussoHobbsee: It runs and whatnot on my system, which is something.  I'm a tad skeptical about PPC though.05:15
thelsdjusing gentoo at work and ubuntu at home is annoying, i keep typing emerge or aptitude in the wrong place05:16
bluefoxicythelsdj:  write a script that when you type 'emerge' it recursively apt-get build-dep's all the needed build-deps and then builds all of them and then the actual package, and installs it :)05:17
thelsdjha05:18
jdongbluefoxicy: I've had Portagebuntu in Warty days05:18
thelsdjdo what i mean not what i say05:18
jdonghacked it up... applies regex'es between dpkg packagenames and portage ones05:18
jdongand then generates cheap debs with checkinstall after ebuilding.05:18
tonyyarussoThat's so sad.05:19
tonyyarusso"I wonder which would be easier, just typing it right, or hacking together a massive script to do all kinds of crazy backwards things to accomplish the same task through a roundabout fashion?"  Only on Linux....05:20
thelsdji think i'll stick to 'command not found'05:20
thelsdjmost of the time i catch it before i've hit enter05:20
Hobbseethelsdj: or use aliases05:21
Hobbseealias emerge ='aptitude install'05:21
Hobbseeworks05:21
thelsdjyea though i usually do emerge -pv or emerge -s beforehand and by the time i actually get around to installing something i know which distro i'm using :)05:22
thelsdjfunny i never heard of virt-manager before now, we rolled our own webbased xen admin interface with ssh keys bash scripts :)05:23
thelsdjthough ours has expanded to also control the various services and such running on our guests05:26
bluefoxicymmm05:26
bluefoxicyI'd love a super central manager.05:26
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bluefoxicyI may write something in MIT license eventually.05:26
thelsdji actually prefer ssh shell, my boss always wants me to automate tasks in the web admin05:26
thelsdjand i'm like "but do you want me to get it done, or dick around writing scripts that maybe eventually might get it done?"05:27
bluefoxicy(the gpl sell-your-soul-ware license can die; LGPL is approximately perfect)05:27
bluefoxicythelsdj:  writing scripts05:28
bluefoxicyit takes me maybe an hour, maybe 5 days to write a script05:28
bluefoxicyand then I use it for the next several months continuously05:28
bluefoxicyand I think, "... yeah this is much better."05:28
thelsdjeh, but then my boss wants me to do the task differently each time, i haven't come up with any super AI scripts that can handle all the different ways i have to do similar tasks yet05:29
tonyyarussoHobbsee: Were you building it to check it out?  ;)05:29
Hobbseetonyyarusso: no.  i glanced at the diff though05:29
bluefoxicythelsdj:  tell him he needs to either come up with a standard procedure or go fuck himself while you come up with a baseline of what the company needs done.05:29
tonyyarussoHobbsee: any thoughts?05:29
bluefoxicythelsdj:  sounds like he's no good at project management05:30
Hobbseetonyyarusso: the diff is big.05:30
thelsdjproblem really is i just have too many responsibilities and 95% of the time getting something done is more important than doing it right05:30
Hobbseeit had some sort of debian/ dir in it already, it looks like05:30
ScottKtonyyarusso: Just read the scrollback - Mail servers aren't very hard to set up on Ubuntu and each one is different enough that I don't know what a standard setup would look like....05:31
thelsdjhe objects to that generalization, but its the way it is, i think he does care though so maybe i just need to be more firm about when we need to divert some time to doing something right05:31
tonyyarussoScottK: ah05:31
ScottKEven just picking Postfix as the preferred MTA only narrows down the options from approximately a zillion to a billion.05:32
tonyyarussoHobbsee: I have the debian/ dir rolled in the .orig it seems.  Oops.  Should it be that way, and I just forgot to update it to the most current debian/, or should it not be there at all?05:33
Hobbseetonyyarusso: it's nto usually there at all, but some upstreams like to distribute it05:34
tonyyarussoHobbsee: Ah, I must have misunderstood then.  I thought someone earlier was telling me to do that - it's not upstream.05:35
Hobbseeah05:35
tonyyarussoanything else?05:36
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Hobbseetonyyarusso: didnt look that closely, sorry05:53
tonyyarussoHobbsee: ok, thanks05:54
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tonyyarussoOkay, I'll redo the .orig.tar.gz - really wish I had some more feedback though - hint hint anyone who's bored (yeah right, like that happens)06:10
cypher1can one request for merge/sync requests for feisty ?06:12
tonyyarussocypher1: Only if you can make a darn good case for it.06:12
RAOFcypher1: You would have had a better chance before upstream version freeze, but you still can. 06:13
cypher1ok thanks06:14
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tonyyarussoHobbsee: When I remove the debian/ dir from the .orig.tar.gz I get a dput error that the checksum doesn't match.06:44
Hobbseetonyyarusso: hence you need to rebuild the source?06:44
Hobbseeie, the .diff.gz and the .dsc06:45
tonyyarussoI thought I had...06:45
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crimsuncypher1: what's the issue?06:50
crimsunall merge/syncs that don't bring in new upstream versions are still permitted06:51
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tonyyarussoWould you get a different md5sum by making identical tarballs on different machines?06:57
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jdongtonyyarusso: it could be possible06:59
tonyyarussohmm06:59
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jdongdepending on, amongst other things, filesystem ordering06:59
jdong(filesystem don't have to feed tar filenames in any specific order)06:59
jdongand if the system gzip/tar aren't identical versions that could play a factor :)07:00
crimsunjdong: what do you mean by "cannot make a Ubuntu-quality debdiff for the new release"?07:01
jdongcrimsun: sorry I partially resolved my dilemma :)07:01
jdongI meant I did not believe it was within my abilities to provide a decent debdiff07:01
crimsunpoppycock07:01
jdongwell look at the debdiff and start pointing and laughing at me :D07:02
jdongI'm guessing "when in doubt, drop the patch" is not kosher policy too :D07:02
crimsunI'm still reading irssi awaylog07:02
crimsunwell, dropping is kosher if it has already been merged or resolved in another fashion07:03
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jdongit was a xinerama patch for Xgl... which I did not have the X knowledge to port over07:04
jdongand xinerama+Xgl is such a corner case anyway07:04
jdongnot critical to Xgl functionality07:04
jdongnot like that worked anyway :D07:04
jdongand crimsun, thanks for believing in me :) you've brought me down another notch on the suicidal scale :D07:05
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LaserJockanybody know of a standalone flash player?07:31
_iongnash07:31
lotusleafLaserJock: adobe's site should have one07:35
lotusleafLaserJock: haven't tried it though07:35
lotusleafLaserJock: in addition to the browser plug in they have some sort of standalone player for *nix07:35
crimsunhttp://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html07:36
LaserJockbah07:37
LaserJockmy problem is that flash9 doesn't work very well07:37
crimsunso use the one for 607:38
LaserJockah, the joys of flash07:38
LaserJocksome sites *only* work with Flash 907:38
LaserJockI'm not sure if I can switch very easily07:38
RedWormLaserJock how doens't it work well? or which sites, i haven't had any problems w/ it07:39
LaserJocka lot of them just play a few seconds and stop07:39
LaserJockall of the Yahoo clips do that07:40
RedWormLaserJock are you using hte final release and not the dev release?07:40
LaserJockhmm?07:40
RedWormLaserJock have to admit, i mostly use it for youtube and flash nav...07:40
RedWormLaserJock final was released maybe 2 mo ago or so07:40
crimsunjordan, what does it say for the version in FF's about:plugins ?07:41
LaserJockShockwave Flash 9.0 r3107:41
LaserJockit's from Feisty I'm pretty sure07:42
crimsunshould be.07:42
LaserJockhmm, is it just me then?07:44
minghua_RedWorm: if you have any influence on the flash 9 development team, let them know that most CJK input methods have problem with the plugin07:44
RedWormminghua_ i don't, but feel free to log a bug07:45
minghua_LaserJock: what browser are you using?07:45
LaserJockI tried FF and then opera07:45
minghua_I heard it matters07:45
LaserJockFF seems to work better07:45
LaserJockin opera I didn't really get anything07:45
RedWormminghua_ http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform07:45
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lotusleafyou can always contact the guy who runs a blog and does work on the Linux flash driver for Adobe07:46
lotusleafsoftware, whatever ;)07:47
lotusleafhttp://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/07:48
LaserJockis it possible to fake the version of flash you have to a website? Can I make a site think I have flash9 when I don't?07:52
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minghuacrappy network07:53
LaserJockman I hat flash :/07:58
LaserJock*hate07:58
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Lathiatany .NZers here?09:54
Lathiatthat know if telstraclear is like telstra in .au in that they generally aren't intereted in network peering09:54
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ajmitchLathiat: yes?10:14
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Lathiatajmitch: i have native connectivity to you then :)10:32
Lathiatajmitch: whats your ip?10:32
Lathiati've got a native layer 2 link from my house to my work, which has native layer 2 to waix, with native layer 2 to aarnet which is pure native layer2 all the way to the broker :)10:33
Lathiat"woo" :)10:33
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LathiatFujitsu: whats your ip?10:33
FujitsuI've not got v6 turned on on this laptop.10:34
Lathiatah10:34
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lathiat_i need to get myapnic love so i can fix my rev dns10:35
FujitsuHm, I think my outgoing stuff is borked... I get a global IP, but can't get out...10:37
lathiat_try restart your tunnel10:37
lathiat_i found tspc dying with aarnet a bit10:37
FujitsuAh, much better.10:38
FujitsuYep, I found it died a bit.10:38
FujitsuWhen I first started using it it was fine, but over the past few months it's been a little dead.10:38
lathiat_whats your ip10:38
lathiat_due to an issue with aarnet not all aarnet traffic is going natively to them atm10:39
lathiat_waiting for mark prior to fix that for me10:39
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FujitsuThere we go.10:40
FujitsuShiny v6... It'll be nice when ISPs actually start offering it.10:41
lathiat_hrm yeh thats not going natively at the moment 10:43
lathiat_annoying10:43
lathiat_man, i have too many domains10:43
lathiat_i have $180AUD of domain renewals up10:43
FujitsuI have none :P10:44
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ajmitchhm10:50
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ajmitch& reverse10:50
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Fujitsu_ajmitch_: Where is it now?10:58
ajmitch_currently just setup on freeparking.co.nz11:00
ajmitch_since I couldn't be bothered finding a couple of stable hosts I could stick it on :)11:00
ajmitch_of course their web UI doesn't allow for AAAA records11:00
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giskardnew revision needs an UVF?11:35
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tsmithehi all - got "wired" with a bug on NEW11:46
tsmithei've fixed the bug in my upload to revu11:46
tsmithe(and will get upstream to tidy it up next release)11:46
tsmitheso now, it needs uploading before a freeze exception is necessary - could anyone do that, or does it still need two acks?11:47
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Adri2000can anyone ping aurora.ubuntuwire.com?02:01
_ionYes.02:02
HobbseeAdri2000: seems like it's not set up properly02:03
Hobbseeoh wait02:04
Adri20004 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 56579ms < it's just "a bit" slow02:04
Hobbseemight be running a torrent on the network, or something02:04
Adri2000finally I managed to log in: adri2000@aurora:~$02:05
Adri2000cool :)02:05
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GNUro'lo!02:13
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giskardimbrandon, buntudot.org is still avaible?02:31
Lathiatdreamhost02:31
Lathiattheyre having a planned power outage atm02:31
Lathiatawesome photos of the issue: http://blog.dreamhost.com/02:31
giskardi mean the webservice02:32
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vilhi, I would like to ask question about Syncing with Debian03:13
vilthere is one library in Debian, which I would like to get to Ubuntu. the name is libdom4j-java03:14
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pochuvil: I'm not sure about this, but I think you have to file a bug in Launchpad03:36
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bddebianHeya gang03:42
gudjonHi Barry, are you interested in discussing Gpib?03:51
bddebianHeya gudjon, sure03:51
pochubddebian: ntfs-3g 1.0 is in debian experimental, should I file a sync request, or an uvf exception?03:52
pochuI don't know the sync policy :)03:52
bddebianIt'll have to be both probably03:52
pochuok :)03:53
pochu2 in 1 hehe03:53
gudjonBarry, I guess the others are not interested in Gpib discussion03:56
bddebianIt's not unusual :-)03:57
gudjonhow do you start a private conversation, I always forget how it is done 03:57
bddebianHmm, no one has reviewed it yet either :-(03:58
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Kr4t05Any MOTU lurking about?04:10
pochubddebian: were you packaging wx2.8?04:13
pochuI see it :)04:13
_MMA_Hi guys. Anyone know Jeff Fortin (Kiddo)?04:13
pochunot me :)04:13
pochubddebian: do you think we will have it for feisty?04:14
bddebianpochu: I stuck it on revu04:14
pochubddebian: what's the next step, somebody to review it?04:14
bddebianSounds like they don't want to go there yet04:14
bddebianI'm looking at migrating 2.4 -> 2.6 packages right now but xmule is gone and wstools is broken04:15
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bddebianpochu: You know C++ and wxwidgets well? :-)04:48
pochubddebian: neither c++ nor wx ;)04:49
bddebianMe neither :)04:49
pochubddebian: but I know to test, so if you want I can compile/build it and test it :)04:50
bddebianNo I'm trying to "fix" wstools to work with wx2.6 and my C++ is worse than my C :-(04:50
pochuto work with 2.6?04:51
pochubddebian: why, if you are uploading 2.8?04:51
bddebianYeah it uses 2.4 currently04:51
pochulol04:51
pochuhhe04:51
pochubddebian: I don't know c either :)04:52
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GNUroI've got a problem, it's normal that dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa, creates the orig.tar.gz tarball and debuild -S -sa -rfakeroot need before a dpkg-source before? 04:59
GNUro(sorry for my bad english)04:59
GNUro(horrible english!)04:59
bddebianWhy don't use use -rfakeroot with dpkg-buildpackage but you do with debuild?05:00
GNUrobddebian: i use -rfakeroot also with dpkg-buildpackage! 05:01
bddebianOh, hmm05:02
GNUrohttp://rafb.net/p/WFWPkx95.html <--- see05:07
bddebiangpg: skipped "GnuKs <hello@try.org>": secret key not available05:09
bddebiangpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available05:09
GNUrobddebian: i know.05:09
bddebianSorry, then I am not understanding what you are asking then05:10
GNUrobddebian: i don't understand... Why doesn't "debuild -S -sa -rfakeroot" create a .orig.tar.gz? Instead, why does "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot" create the .orig.tar.gz? 05:14
bddebianOhh, hmm it should.  Of course I don't use debuild :-)05:16
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bddebian@#%#$% C++06:04
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nixternalboo C06:12
bddebianboo D06:14
bddebiannixternal: You a C++ fan?06:16
nixternalI try to be ;)06:16
bddebianGood, wanna help me fix this POS then? :)06:16
nixternalwhat is it?06:17
bddebianI'm trying to make wstools use libwxgtk2.6 but getting some funky C++ issues06:18
nixternalahh, I know how to fix that06:18
nixternalgive it to crimsun :)06:18
bddebianpfft06:18
bddebiancrimsun doesn't love me :-)06:19
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nixternalhaha06:21
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Toadstoolg'morning everybody07:00
pochuToadstool: good evening ;)07:01
Toadstoolpochu: oh well, good $whatever_fits_your_timezone :)07:03
bddebianHeya Toadstool07:04
Toadstoolhi bddebian 07:05
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crimsunvil: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6528386/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.dom4j_1.6.1%2Bdfsg-2_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz ; please just upload a -2build108:01
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bddebiancrimsun: Hey, I hear you are the C++ / wxwidgets expert? :)08:07
crimsun"expert" would be a _big_ stretch, but...08:08
crimsun(btw, haven't had coffee yet, so not ready for daily Ubuntu. Give me an hour.)08:09
bddebianGah, no worries08:09
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AnAntFujitsu_: ping08:40
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tonyyarussoI've already heard of one thing that I should change, but could some people look over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 for me?  I'd especially appreciate reports of whether it builds on PPC.08:50
AnAntdoes anyone know why there isn't any spice simulator (ngspice for example) neither in Debian nor Ubuntu repos ?08:52
cypherbiosAnAnt: because nobody ever packaged something like that?08:53
AnAntcypherbios: there was an ngspice in hoary08:53
AnAntcypherbios: also I found debian package for ngspice there http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=38962&package_id=3115208:54
AnAntoh, ok, it seems to be license issue08:54
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AnAntHello I got a license issue09:02
AnAntis software with BSD license not allowed to exist in Ubuntu ?09:02
ajmitchno, BSD licence is fine09:03
tonyyarussoAnAnt: I think BSD is fine...many core apps are that.  I'm no expert, but hey.09:03
ajmitch4-clause BSD with advertising clause is still free software, but not gpl compatible :)09:03
ajmitchlicensing is messy09:03
AnAntajmitch: I don't understand what's the problem with ngspice then09:03
ajmitchthere are probably other issues with it09:04
AnAntajmitch: is it because it is for non-commercial use ?09:04
bddebiantonyyarusso: Sorry I forgot about you, I'll take a look now09:05
ajmitchAnAnt: very likely09:05
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tonyyarussobddebian: thanks09:05
AnAntajmitch: ok, I read that part of it is GPL & part is BSD09:05
AnAnttonyyarusso: there was an ngspice in hoary09:05
ajmitchAnAnt: ah, that would certainly not be good, you couldn't even put that in non-free09:05
tonyyarussoAnAnt: Who was listed as the maintainer on that one?09:05
AnAntajmitch: ok, so that must be it09:05
AnAnttonyyarusso: it is license issue it seems09:06
ajmitchit was removed from debian because of legal issues09:06
tonyyarussoAnAnt: Guess so - could check upstream.09:06
tonyyarussoajmitch: ah, bugger.09:06
AnAnttonyyarusso: Matt Flax09:06
bddebiancrimsun: Hour up yet? :-)09:09
tonyyarussoAnAnt: Not been around for a while it seems.09:09
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bddebianMonday?  It's Sunday :-)09:11
tonyyarussoExactly.  :)09:11
ajmitchfor you slow people09:11
ajmitchget with the times09:11
Adri2000it's sunday and it's holidays09:12
tonyyarussoI'm working on it, at approximately 500 miles per hour.09:12
Adri2000:)09:12
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AnAntbddebian: Hide09:12
AnAntbdmurray: ping09:13
ajmitchAnAnt: why are you constantly pinging bdmurray? :)09:13
AnAntajmitch: I wanted to ask him about wether he is interested in gplcver or what09:14
ajmitchno, he's not09:14
AnAntajmitch: remember the sync request for gplcver ?09:14
AnAntajmitch: why is he subscribed to it that ?09:14
ajmitchyes, I do, and he was just doing bug triage09:14
AnAnts/that/then09:14
ajmitchI already spoke to him about that09:14
AnAntI do ?!09:14
bddebianAnAnt: What's up?09:14
AnAntbddebian: the ceiling09:15
AnAntbddebian: oh no, no package to REVU , at least not for me09:15
AnAntbddebian: thanks for acon btw09:15
AnAntajmitch: oh ok, got you09:15
bddebianNP09:15
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bddebianholy crap tonyyarusso, how long does this sucker take to build? :)09:45
ajmitchit could be worse09:45
tonyyarussobddebian: Usually like 20-30 minutes on my machine I think.09:45
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tonyyarussoMore than gedit, less than openoffice.09:45
bddebianHeya Hobbsee09:45
tonyyarussoHey Hobbsee 09:45
ajmitchHobbsee! you're up insanely earlier09:45
ajmitchs/earlier/09:45
bddebianajmitch: How's your C++? :-)09:46
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ajmitchbddebian: I try & avoid it as much as humanly possible09:46
bddebiangah09:46
Hobbseeajmitch: indeed.  uni today!  :D09:47
ajmitchHobbsee: scary!09:47
Hobbseebddebian: what are you trying to do?09:47
Hobbseeajmitch: indeed!09:47
bddebianHobbsee: Get wstools to build with libwxgtk2.609:47
ajmitchbddebian: why does it need to?09:48
Hobbseebddebian: ahh09:48
bddebianajmitch: So we can drop 2.4 :-)09:48
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sacaterhi i was redirected by jdong, im interested in becoming a developer, I know a gentoo devel. and he says its a good life :P09:50
crimsunerr09:50
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jdongcrimsun: please don't shoot!09:50
jdong;-)09:51
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Hobbseeer, wait...09:51
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crimsunsacater: I'm not sure what you mean by "good life", but please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment09:52
sacatercrimsun: will do09:52
crimsunsacater: it'll be best to start from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers then progress to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment09:53
sacateroh ok09:53
sacateri got that from viewing the hopefull page :P09:53
crimsunso, bddebian, are you living the good life?09:53
bddebianOh yeah baby.. :)09:53
crimsun:)09:53
crimsunand I know Hobbsee is with her longpointystick09:54
bddebianIt'd be even better if I had a freakin' clue :-)09:54
Hobbseeheh09:54
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sacatercrimsun: atm, i probably want prospective devel, but i need a current developer that I can tag along with09:56
sacatercrimsum: dont suppose you know anyone with an apprentice space :P09:57
=== Hobbsee needs to get ready for uni soon
crimsunsacater: sounds like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors09:57
sacatercrimsun: you know everything :P09:57
bddebiantonyyarusso: http://pastebin.us/1517909:57
tonyyarussobddebian: thanks09:58
crimsunsacater: s/everything/more than I did yesterday/09:58
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tonyyarussobddebian: Looks like only the same things I got on my end, and as noted in debian/TODO.Debian - could you give me a sense of how serious those things are?  Those issues existed in past Ubuntu releases in what was then Nvu.10:00
=== Hobbsee isnt a MOTU mentor
=== Hobbsee doesnt have the patience for it
crimsunHobbsee: you're sane, though10:01
Hobbseecrimsun: heh.  when i'm doing other stuff too, i dont have the time and energy to handhold :(10:01
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Hobbseetonyyarusso: hehe :)10:01
tonyyarussobddebian: what's your arch, btw?10:02
bddebiani38610:04
tonyyarussoThought so.  Okay.10:04
bddebianOnly one I have unfortunately :(10:04
Hobbseebddebian: you can use brandon's build machines10:05
Hobbseebddebian: it's probably faster10:05
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Hobbseeand only 12gb of ram, yeah, yeah, yeah.10:06
ajmitch:P10:06
Hobbsee:P10:06
ajmitchhardly10:06
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=== Hobbsee wouldnt choose to build on one though.
thelsdjI only have 11gb of ram in my room right now, and 20ghz10:10
sacatercrimsun: im going with gpocentek, if he answers jabber, he seems to be away atm, i chose him cos hes mainly int xfce like me10:10
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tonyyarusso11GB of RAM?10:11
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crimsunsacater: great, you might wish to hang out in xubuntu{,-devel}10:14
sacatercrimsun: maybe10:14
sacatercrimsun: i am already in there10:14
crimsunok10:15
crimsungit checkout -b hda-realtek10:16
crimsunbah, sorry10:16
Adri2000:)10:16
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sacatercrimsun: do you know gpocentek?10:20
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crimsunsacater: yes, Gauvain is one of the lead Xubuntu developers and is also a member of the MOTU Council10:23
mr_pouitHow many ACKs are needed for an UVF exception ?10:24
sacatercrimsun: i take it he is 'offline' for you as well 'unavailabel10:24
sacaterunavailable*10:24
crimsunsacater: idle     : 0 days 3 hours 18 mins 54 secs10:24
sacaterk10:25
crimsunsacater: so, likely away from his irc client, yes.10:25
sacaterwould explain why he is still idle in jabber too10:25
mr_pouithe's sleeping, I think ;)10:25
jdongmr_pouit: 2 or 3?10:26
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mr_pouitjdong, ok, I'll wait ^^10:28
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Hobbseemr_pouit: 210:30
mr_pouitHobbsee, ok thanks10:30
crimsun(see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-February/001256.html )10:30
mr_pouitthanks for the link (I think I have this mail in my mailbox too ^^" )10:35
=== tonyyarusso still needs more feedback on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488
ajmitchtonyyarusso: why, is it working perfectly now?10:38
tonyyarussoajmitch: It builds and runs and uninstalls fine on my machine (x86).  There are some lintian/linda things, but seem undesirable while non-critical, and are noted in debian/TODO.Debian.  I have gotten it to build (but haven't tried to install or run) on amd64.  I am not sure whether it will successfully build on PPC yet.10:39
tonyyarussoSo, I need run confirmation on amd64, and build + run on PPC, and further notes on my pkging are welcome if there are any left.10:40
ajmitch+if test -d /usr/lib/kompozer-0.7.7 ; then10:41
ajmitch+rm -rf /usr/lib/0.7.710:41
ajmitch+fi10:41
ajmitchthat worries me10:41
tonyyarussoajmitch: Elaborate please?  (that was there before me, so enlightenment on the subject is good)10:42
tonyyarussoThat is kinda sketchy isn't it?10:42
tonyyarussohmm10:42
ajmitchtesting for one directory & blowing away another10:42
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tonyyarussoajmitch: Does it do that just in the build or on the target machine?10:43
=== tonyyarusso looks for that line
ajmitchon the target machine, in the postinst10:44
tonyyarussogaaah10:44
ajmitchyeah10:44
tonyyarussoI wonder what that's even there for?  Possibly some stupid previous version thing - I'll bet it can just be nuked in all likelihood.10:45
ajmitchmost likely10:46
tonyyarussonoted.10:46
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Adri2000Q-FUNK: hi10:52
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Adri2000Q-FUNK: please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive but rather ubuntu-universe-sponsors for your sync requests10:53
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LaserJockhi people10:59
tonyyarussoLaserJock: hiya10:59
ajmitchhi person11:02
LaserJock;-)11:05
Q-FUNKAdri2000: since when has the procedure changed?11:08
Adri2000Q-FUNK: you are not a MOTU afaik?11:09
LaserJockQ-FUNK: which procedure?11:09
Q-FUNKI'm in group MOTU on launchpad, so I would guess that yes11:10
Adri2000I see you in ubuntu-universe-contributors, debian collaboration team and finnish translators11:11
Adri2000that's all11:11
Q-FUNKsync requests imply subscribing ubuntu-archive.  it's even in pitti's syncrequest script11:12
Adri2000that's only for official developers11:12
Q-FUNKthat one is news to me11:12
Q-FUNKI've always doen my sync requests that way, as previously instructed.11:12
Q-FUNKthe only thing I was told not to do is to confirm my own reuqests, for as long as I'm not a developer.11:13
Adri2000Q-FUNK: you can subscribe ubuntu-archive if you want, they will reject your request11:14
Q-FUNKAdri2000: they never have.11:14
Adri2000example (bug #)?11:15
Q-FUNKbesides, sponsoring is for direct uploads. syc requests are handled differently.11:15
Q-FUNKthe only request I've ever seen rejected was for a package to be released as an update, instead of a backport.  I had followed the procedure for a backport, but everyone felt that it would be better as an update.11:16
jdongQ-FUNK: you need a developer ACK in addition to filing a sync request11:16
jdongyou can feel free to file it11:16
jdongbut a real dev has to ACK (confirm, etc) it first11:16
jdongbefore -archive acts11:16
jdongand you're supposed to have it confirmed before subscribing -archive too :)11:16
Adri2000it has been like that for all my sync requested as a motu hopeful, and for all the sync requests I have acked since I'm a motu...11:17
Q-FUNKI should probably show up to a community meeting one of these days and get around applying for my dev status.11:18
Q-FUNKjust that in recent times, schedules haven't matched11:18
Q-FUNKI've been meaning to do that since 200511:18
Q-FUNKI was on the meeting agenda already back then, but then something always came up.  at one point, mako simply removed me from the agenda, rather than push it to the next meeting.11:19
ajmitchthe procedure has changed11:20
geserQ-FUNK: since MOTU Council is now set up, here is the current process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment11:20
ajmitch(for new developers)11:20
Q-FUNKagain?11:20
Q-FUNKok11:20
ajmitchwhat do you mean, again?11:20
Q-FUNKchanged11:20
ajmitchit's always been tech board approval up until now11:20
ajmitcheven from back when I started11:21
Q-FUNKah. simpler process. excellent.11:21
Q-FUNKerm... anybody wling to write that e-mail to the list? :)11:21
Q-FUNKerm.... backwards11:22
Q-FUNKwell, I've nevr had any sponsors, since the only thing I've ever had are syncs from Debian.11:22
Q-FUNKno direct uploads so far11:22
ajmitchthat should probably change if you want MOTU status11:23
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=== enyc_ wonders whose been trying to write to enyc ;-)
Q-FUNKI don't see how.  I always upload straight into Debian.  I just merge changes from pretty much every derivatives and respond to bugs against my packages on Launchpad.11:24
ajmitchah right11:25
Adri2000MOTUs take care of *all* the packages in universe/multiverse, not only their own packages11:25
Q-FUNKI know11:25
Q-FUNKmuch more fun than Debian for that11:25
ajmitchAdri2000: but a DD should go through a fairly decent NM process to evaluate their skills11:26
ajmitchnot that everyone gets that, but I'd trust most DDs to upload to ubuntu11:26
ajmitchsomething we should raise at a meeting, what criteria people should be held to for motu11:26
LaserJocksure, as far a packaging ability I'd trust a DD11:26
LaserJockbut, IMO, there is more to a MOTU than packaging ability11:27
ajmitchLaserJock: even me? :)11:27
Q-FUNKI wouldn't trust those who became DDs prior to the inception of the NM process to upload anywhere. I've seen WAY too many crappy packages from those.11:27
LaserJockyes, even you ;-)11:27
ajmitchLaserJock: of course, and we talked about that at UDS11:27
ajmitchQ-FUNK: oh, we've seen *lots* of crappy packages ;)11:27
LaserJockyep11:28
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LaserJockI've seen some crappy Ubuntu packages to11:28
jdongso is there a sinking feeling when a 6hr kernel build fails?11:28
LaserJock6hr for a kernel?11:28
Q-FUNKbut basically, the possibility to improve packages I don't prsonally maitain is a big plus with MOTU, compared to Debian11:28
jdongLaserJock: it'd look like Ubuntu kernels take that long in total11:28
LaserJockyikes11:29
jdongLaserJock: given the # of arches and all that fun stuff :)11:29
jdongand the # of flavors per arch11:29
Q-FUNKis the motu-council list still WIP?11:29
LaserJockah11:29
ajmitchQ-FUNK: yes, waiting on the sysadmins to create the lsit11:29
ajmitchs/lsit/list/11:29
jdong20-9.15 just FTBFS'ed and it did take around 5 hours....11:29
jdong:)11:29
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ajmitchLaserJock: oh yes, I've had to talk to some MOTUs who've uploaded completely broken packages :)11:30
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LaserJockhmm, I was thinking of one I did (left the stupid patch stamp in the .orig.tar.gz)11:30
ToadstoolI've seen crappy packages uploaded by core-devs too :)11:31
LaserJockyes11:32
LaserJockI've been working on SRUs for a few of those11:32
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LaserJockone was a uninstallable -updates package11:33
LaserJockgotta remember to test install *before* uploading ;-)11:33
Toadstoolheh11:33
LaserJockbut it happens11:33
LaserJockwe just need to put things in place so that kind of stuff is minimized11:34
Adri2000uninstallable package in -updates?11:34
LaserJockyep11:34
Adri2000that was when anyone could upload anything in -updates? :)11:34
LaserJockyeah11:35
LaserJockwhich was a good thing actually11:35
LaserJocksince I could upload the fix easily11:35
slomogiskard: still the same bug with telepathy-sharp11:37
tsmithecould a couple of MOTUs ack my latest wired upload (bugfix) so it can be (re)uploaded to NEW?11:39
Adri2000tsmithe: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=4434&upid2=4496 that's the diff?11:44
tsmitheyep11:45
tsmitheoh hang on11:45
Adri2000tsmithe: to need to bump the version if it's not in the archive11:45
tsmithei'll need to remove a couple of lines from README.Debian11:45
tsmitheAdri2000, cjwatson said to bump the version11:46
Adri2000ah11:46
tsmithe:)11:46
Adri2000ok, if cjwatson said... :)11:46
tsmithei'm just uploading a version with a modified README.Debian11:46
tsmitheAdri2000, should i create a whole new changelog entry?11:49
Adri2000I'd say yes... it doesn't make sense to have a new package starting at -0ubuntu211:50
tsmitheAdri2000, ok i'll do that11:52
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tsmithedo i really need two acks for that?11:59
tsmithefinal version uploaded: upid 450312:00
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Adri2000tsmithe: no you don't need 2 acks12:05
Adri2000tsmithe: I will upload12:06
tsmithegreat, thanks12:06
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