[12:13] crimsun, i was wondering if you ( and LaserJock if wanted ) to help me come up with a short list of common packages ( like vim-full etc ) that should be installed on the build machines [12:13] tonyyarusso: I'm around [12:13] so i can make sure and have the common things like cvs subversion bzr etc installed before i announce it [12:13] awesome, found my mistake. [12:13] LaserJock: Cool. Same @earthlink.net address if that helps you track it down. [12:14] I think that's the last time I attempt dput from home until we get a new connection :P [12:14] (It was running for, um, five hours?) [12:14] s/build/build boxes/ [12:15] Someone should make an aw-heck-I-build-a-lot-so-gimme metapackage. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SILVIA [n=silvialo@190.50.135.140] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] imbrandon: I always install build-essential, devscripts, linux-headers-$(uname -r), mercurial, cvs, subversion, monotone, bzr, dpatch, cdbs, scons, quilt, pbuilder and sbuild === tonyyarusso looks up some of those [12:17] sounds like a good list to me, past that people can request things [12:17] if it's a kubuntu machine, I also build-dep amarok-xine [12:17] if it's an ubuntu machine, I also build-dep evolution === SILVIA [n=silvialo@190.50.135.140] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] its ubuntu server ( the ones for the buildd ) [12:18] so really neither [12:19] or both [12:19] hehe === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] imbrandon: you'll probably want debhelper, too === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] yea i had that one [12:30] okies i think those are finaly ready for general user consumption [12:30] well moreso than just me announcing in here [12:30] thanks crimsun [12:30] plus within reason if someone asks for a package installed i'm not against it [12:31] because it is only -dev and -core-dev on the boxes so there should be some level of trust [12:32] gosh, if you trust me, you be up a creek [12:32] hehe [12:32] We're getting build servers? [12:32] shiny ones? [12:32] say what? [12:32] i have 2 setup at the moment and a 3rd installing [12:32] oh, only for -dev and -core-dev - I'm not that cool yet :P [12:33] and a 4th "someday" [12:33] imbrandon: Which ones? Who's paying? [12:33] it's all part of brandon's ominous plan to steal our ~/.id_dsa.pubs. Oh wait... [12:33] i'm paying for most of them uptill now [12:33] and siretart donated a sparc to use [12:33] ;) [12:34] YES! Just what I wanted to hear! [12:34] I've been dying to get access to a sparc. [12:34] I have some pizza boxes if you'd like some sparcs [12:34] so at the moment there is a i386 , and sparc ready to use, ppc is installing [12:34] crimsun, rackable ones? [12:34] nice [12:34] How silly would it be to try to build a graphical application on sparc, just in case? [12:35] well, they're _much_ too slow to be useful, I'm afraid (they're SS20s) [12:35] hehe [12:35] crimsun: I know next to nothing about sparcs. I just have a package that ftbfs on sparc and ia64 and I can't figure out why. [12:35] the one in use now is a ultra 10, its not a speed demon but the number of sparc only bugs isnt high [12:36] shawarma, are you in ubuntu-dev ? [12:36] imbrandon: Yup. [12:36] is your ssh key on LP ? [12:36] yup [12:36] The one I'm working on failed on PPC last time, but built on x86 and amd64.. [12:36] then ssh sparky.build.imbrandon.com and try'her out [12:37] pbuilder-$dist is your friend [12:37] eg pbuilder-feisty [12:37] ROCK! [12:37] i havent made the "official" announcement , but i planned on it today [12:37] so have at it [12:37] lemme know if you have any issues [12:37] To do a feisty pbuilder on a non-feisty machine, you need a feisty debootstrap, correct? [12:37] I've been looking for spelling mistakes in man pages of the package just to have an excuse to upload a version with some extra debugging to the build servers. [12:38] tonyyarusso, or the backported debootstrap [12:38] *yawn* [12:38] imbrandon: Ah. [12:39] shawarma, and the i386 buildd is just build.imbrandon.com [12:39] just FYI [12:39] i'll makeup a doc about it soonish [12:39] imbrandon: Did you just go through all the mutu's on launchpad and fetch out ssh keys or have you been smarter about it? [12:40] and ajmitch and myself are the admins on the boxes for the moment if anything goes crazy [12:40] shawarma, i ahve a script that syncs [12:40] imbrandon: no 64-bit one then? === tonyyarusso looks for RAOF... [12:40] so if the key changes on LP it will be updated on the boxen too [12:40] tonyyarusso, the x86_64 is the "4th" [12:40] righto [12:41] imbrandon: Ok. I just remember implementing authenticate-against-launchpad in a paramiko-based ssh server a while back.. I thought you might have smoked from the same crack pipe as me.. [12:41] e.g. not at the moment but is planned shortly === tonyyarusso will need to test that eventually again [12:41] shawarma, ahh cool, no , no crack like that ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] just a bash script that grabs the accounts and keys of dev and core-dev [12:42] imbrandon: Right. [12:42] i ahvent implemented account removal yet, but as accounts only expire every two years i ahve time === Hobbsee waves [12:43] heya Hobbsee [12:44] hi Hobbsee [12:45] imbrandon: access to build machines for all motus? wow :) [12:45] yes [12:45] Okay, I have some lintian warnings (but not errors) on the resulting deb I got, and need to know how serious they are: [12:45] that was the who intention of them ;) === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@72-254-192-46.client.stsn.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:46] binary-without-manpage, image-file-in-usr-lib, and extended-description-line-too-long ? [12:46] tonyyarusso: lintian-info is your friend. [12:47] right [12:49] Hobbsee: hi [12:50] Hobbsee: have you found a way to "fix" bug 84084 [12:50] Malone bug 84084 in supertux "SuperTux 0.3.0 is officially unsupported!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84084 [12:51] shawarma, get in ok? [12:51] imbrandon: Sure, I'm compiling my package now. Wheeee! [12:51] imbrandon: :-) [12:51] imbrandon: This is so great! [12:51] shawarma: Clearly they aren't ideal, but some, particularly image-file-in-usr-lib, would require either a lot of work or changes upstream to handle. I'll definitely fix the description one, not sure what there is to say in a manpage for it. === shawarma is acting like a kid with a new toy. :-) [12:52] Hobbsee: I will start thinking this guy is a troll, if he continues to act without any manner === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] meld is a pretty good develipment tool as well [12:52] heh just be nice the sparc isnt a speed demon ;) [12:53] zul: meld the merging tool? [12:53] theCore: looking [12:53] ok zul [12:54] jdong: yep === jdong has caught several merging errors before with the tool [12:54] zul: fully agreed, very handy esp. for merging :) [12:54] Does anyone know of an easy way to fix the /usr/lib vs /usr/share issue for images without seriously hacking up the source code? I'm listening :) [12:55] djwings ta gmail tod com seems adamant about Ubuntu not shipping 0.3x, but what do the _developers_ say? [12:55] edit the makefile? [12:55] theCore: oh yes, i meant to check. has debian also had a bug filed against them? [12:55] tonyyarusso: find the dev's address, find a large blunt instrument..... === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] Hobbsee: I don't know [12:56] jdong: He's actually reasonably receptive to most of my comments so far. However, he's doing this particular program mostly as a bugfix of another, so wants to change as little as possible of the underlying stuff. [12:56] zul: patching might be an option, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it. [12:58] Hobbsee: hmm... well there was a bug complaining about SuperTux 0.3 wasn't packaged [12:58] theCore: exactly, and there were a certain few devs that wanted it :P [12:58] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404676 [12:58] Debian bug 404676 in supertux "New upstream release: 0.3.0" [Wishlist,Closed] [12:59] Hobbsee: maybe I should ask a main developer what they think [01:00] Hobbsee: I am septic about this DJ Wing guy [01:00] theCore: i'm doing that now [01:00] Hobbsee: thanks [01:00] ask an upstream supertux dev, yes. [01:01] imbrandon: you said you were working on getting a PPC up? [01:02] any of you folks want to test build something for me on it? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] tonyyarusso: cdbs-edit-patch or dpatch-edit-patch [01:06] theCore: http://rafb.net/p/nnqqP394.html [01:07] imbrandon: It might be a good idea to make pbuilder's resultdir be somewhere in the user's homedir. That way, we can clean up after ourselves. :-) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@70.82.80.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] tonyyarusso, yes [01:09] shawarma, i thought about that [01:09] i might possibly sometime [01:10] imbrandon: Either that or chmod the result dirs to 1777 or something. [01:10] ahh i thought I had actualy === imbrandon looks [01:10] Hobbsee: / theCore: you could roll it back to (fakesync with) Debian unstable's 0.1.3-1.1, but version ours 0.3.0-0ubuntu1+really0.1.3 [01:11] imbrandon: That would enable us to clean up after ourselves without allowing us to mess with each other's stuff. [01:11] Hobbsee: err, no, different tar.gzs, sorry === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] crimsun: i'm thinking of getting them to remove it from the archive, then direct sync debian's version [01:12] either version [01:12] that would break anyone that has it installed [01:12] and mirrors [01:12] Hobbsee: I'm not sure that would work very well for the mirrors. [01:12] hrm [01:13] ok who wants to try the other thing i've had up my sleeve the last few days [01:14] Any way you look at it, it's going to be messy. [01:14] imbrandon: me me! [01:14] a free Ubuntu-ish Jabber and Email server [01:14] http://www.ubuntuwire.com/ [01:14] imbrandon: Ah, yes, I saw that a few days ago, I think. [01:14] StevenK: exactly [01:14] imbrandon: Or am I on crack? [01:14] check it out, abuse it, and lemme know, i'ma blog about it soon [01:14] shawarma, it wasent ready yet [01:14] now you can actauly make accounts and they work [01:15] imbrandon: No, but I stumbled upon it somehow anyway. [01:15] imbrandon: nice :) [01:16] hum someone jabber me real fast , brandon@ubuntuwore.com [01:16] err @ubuntuwire.com === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] Hobbsee: so, it's true... [01:19] I can't figure out why compiling errors out with a syntax error of all things on one architecture and not another. [01:19] tonyyarusso: No, that does sound strange. [01:20] err, wait, maybe that's not it. === tonyyarusso looks closer === Hobbsee wont say what she read imbrandon's statement as [01:20] nvm, this seems to be the problem: /bin/sh: line 2: ../../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_glibc_PTH_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall: cannot execute binary file [01:21] lol [01:21] imbrandon: done [01:21] Hobbsee: is it possible to roll back a package? [01:22] Am I to interpret that as it trying to run an x86 binary for a PPC compile? wth! [01:22] theCore: effectively no. [01:22] theCore: oh, i know [01:23] theCore: grab the debian 0.1.3, change the packagename to supertux-old, make it conflict with supertux, and put a warning in supertux that it's a snapshot, and that supertux-old is the stable one. [01:23] Hobbsee, i ment jabber not email but that works too ;) [01:23] i dont think that most people will *want* to use the old version, so wont install it, but it's there [01:23] Hobbsee: that would be great === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] Hobbsee: or perhaps -stable instead of -old [01:24] crimsun: yeah [01:24] crimsun: which isnt much overhead for us, of course - we just remove it from the archives when 2.0 is out === shawarma gets ready for bed [01:27] Goodnight, guys. [01:27] 'night [01:27] gnight [01:31] Hobbsee: what should I say in the changelog entry? "Renamed the package to `supertux-stable'. (closes: #84084)"? [01:31] ls [01:31] theCore: i wouldnt rename it [01:31] heh woops [01:31] theCore: we can distribute both [01:31] theCore: just add a new package, in, called supertux-stable, which is from debian. [01:32] so, I just junk the whole changelog??? [01:32] No, junk up until 0.1.3-1 [01:32] Er, from === Hobbsee thought "leave that one as is" [01:32] then just add the stable version to ubuntu [01:33] Oh, if it's straight from Debian, leave it all alone, yes. [01:33] as in, call the 0.3.0 version supertux, and the 0.1.3 version supertux-stable === StevenK goes to hide in his corner. [01:33] StevenK: well, the name changes. [01:34] So the new entry 0.1.3-1ubuntu1 has the source package name 'supertux-stable', the entries underneath can still have a source package name of supertux [01:34] StevenK: yep [01:34] How about we also have supertux Recommend supertux-stable? :-P [01:34] supertux-stable (0.1.3-1.1ubuntu0) feisty; urgency=low * New package `supertux-stable' for the supported version [01:34] of SuperTux. (closes: #84084) [01:34] look good? [01:34] Why not ubuntu1? [01:35] oh, right [01:36] StevenK: files trying to overwrite each other :P needs a conflicts, really [01:37] do I rename supertux-data to supertux-data-stable supertux-stable-data? [01:38] the former [01:38] and make sure you change the deps over, too, of course [01:38] yes, I did === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] ok, done [01:39] neat :) [01:39] stick it on revu? [01:39] Hobbsee: Ah, Conflicts and Recommends is what I meant. :-) [01:39] StevenK: yes [01:40] why recommends, with recommending by default? [01:40] That's the point, it will blow up... [01:40] ah [01:40] :-P [01:40] so then you can install supertux still, cant you? [01:40] yes, if you dont install recommends by default [01:40] I was actually joking, anyway [01:41] Conflicts, Replaces and Provides should be set to supertux [01:41] supertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thelsdj [n=thelsdj@ip24-251-207-135.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore_ [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] Hobbsee: uploaded [01:59] theCore_: to revu? yay :) [01:59] theCore_: or are you a MOTU? [01:59] well, almost [02:00] to revu [02:00] done [02:01] hopefully, I haven't done any mistake [02:01] Does anyone have PPC machines? I need someone else to test a build. It failed on the one I tried so far, and it's a bit weird. === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] Hobbsee: should I change supertux, too? === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.245.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] theCore: [11:41] supertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable [02:02] so, yes [02:02] ok, I am on it [02:03] cool :) === Hobbsee hates the thought of getting this thru freeze [02:04] imbrandon: is yours ready yet? [02:05] my what? [02:05] if you mean ppc no, it takes me days to get new machines ready [02:07] Ah, ok. Didn't know if this was a like pop in the disk and wait an hour kind of get ready or more involved === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] why does KDE hate me? :( [02:10] because there could be alot of reasons [02:10] I never said anything really bad about it [02:10] LaserJock: Because it's confusing J with G, and letting some of it's extra Gnome wrath out on you. [02:11] hmm [02:14] my computer just freezes if I don't use it for a while [02:14] I *think* it only happens in KDE [02:15] Hobbsee: uploading supertux to revu === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-144-122.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] Hobbsee: supertux-stable has been rejected === pochu [n=pochu@38.Red-88-7-170.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] ok, supertux is fully uploaded [02:26] ahh.... [02:26] doh.... [02:26] theCore: why'd it get rejected? [02:26] to set up a second chroot env. would i use /var/chroot(name of first) or would i make a /var/chroot2 and still beable to use dchroot -c bleh -d? [02:27] Hobbsee: I uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com instead of revu [02:27] theCore: ah. yes, that occasionally bit me, too. [02:27] before i got REVU, of course - now i just try to upload to main, occasionally [02:27] theCore: so supertux-stable is on REVU - can you do a debdiff of the supertux package? [02:28] I uploaded both to u.u.c [02:28] so, try #2 === Hobbsee will look later - doing lunch atm [02:28] ok, see ya later === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] Things that should be considered in the future are listed in debian/TODO, correct? [02:51] or TODO.Debian === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4486 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4487 === Toadstool hugs imbrandon [02:59] giskard: pong? [03:03] afternoon === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] crimsun: ping [03:08] oops forgot [03:08] crimsun: regarding bug 87687, I am incapable of producing a UVFe because I cannot make a Ubuntu-quality debdiff for the new release. [03:08] Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687 [03:09] and IMO it's not a Wishlist item... By uploading Xorg 7.2 xserver-xgl was completely broken === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] hi folks [03:10] hi siretart [03:10] grr [03:11] sistpoty: [03:11] hi jdong [03:11] :) [03:11] xchat tab needs to die a slow painful death by listening to Bush speeches on repeat. === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] hi sistpoty [03:13] hi ajmitch === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === sistpoty is just looking at supertux/supertux-stable [03:20] sistpoty: hooray [03:20] hm... I wonder if a versioned replaces of supertux-stable to supertux (< 0.3.0) would draw in supertux-stable instead of supertux for everyone still having the stable version installed [03:20] I guess I'll need to try that with a local repo [03:22] ajmitch, crimsun: what do you think about the supertux situation? do we want a supertux-stable? if so, will I get an FF exception for it? *g* [03:22] 2/me is off to sleep [03:22] gnight folks [03:22] gn8 imbrandon [03:22] night! === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] ajmitch: Could you please clear the partial upload from me on REVU? LaserJock was going to earlier, but apparently forgot. [03:27] only if you tell me what it is [03:27] ajmitch: kompozer, from tonyyarusso at earthlink dot net [03:27] kompozer, I presume? [03:27] yep === tonyyarusso glares at the dialup some more [03:28] well there's nothing linking it to you :) [03:28] unless i peek through the .dsc files [03:28] ah [03:28] done [03:28] thanks === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LongPointyStick pokes around dangerously. === bg [n=gramlich@c-76-17-130-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bureado [n=bureado@190.75.2.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Could I please get some people to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488? (You may want to also note bug 60353) [04:01] Malone bug 60353 in nvu "Nvu's unofficial bug-fix release" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60353 === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] LaserJock: Just got something up if you're interested, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 [04:03] Greetings. I maintain a package in Debian which is also present in Ubuntu (will release in Feisty) but the version being released is outdated. I've requested an unfreeze in Debian, but I would like to know if I can upload the newer version to REVU in order to get it considered for Feisty. [04:03] Hobbsee: also at one time said you might look at my work? [04:03] tonyyarusso: sometime, yes :) [04:03] Hobbsee: ok === Hobbsee is doing uni-stuff, and money-stuff === bg [n=gramlich@c-76-17-130-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:04] bureado: we are under Upstream Version Freeze for Feisty [04:05] at all risk of point-and-laugh-at-jdong, I've filed UVFe for bug 87687.... [04:05] Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687 [04:07] LaserJock: Does that mean you won't consider newer versions of the packages? I've read the wikipage regarding UVF, and I wrote Matt Zimmerman and Colin Watson, but I don't know if I'm required to act on it, like uploading the package to REVU or something. I'm not really involved in Ubuntu maintainership (but would love to, indeed!) [04:07] bureado: you have to file a bug report with good reason for it to be done.... [04:07] and it's also expected that all the work be done [04:07] and the masters just click a button :) [04:09] jdong: I see. I should file a bug on which package/product/section/whatever Launchpad calls it? [04:09] bureado: check out section 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess [04:09] jdong: Never mind, I'll read - thanks! [04:10] LaserJock: Thanks! [04:10] :) [04:10] Just in case, it's nginx, a small webserver -> debian.bureado.com.ve/nginx === jdong bets a jump off Longfellow bridge that his Xgl package will FTBFS on all but i386 :) [04:10] 0.5.13 provides SSL and FLV streaming support, and 0.4 (the one that's being released in Feisty) is outdated :( === Ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-144-122.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] jdong: Do you have a minute to glace over my revu ul for errors? [04:13] tonyyarusso: I am a moron when it comes to package :) [04:13] packaging* [04:13] and plus I'm 30h without sleep [04:13] jdong: bah, fine :P [04:14] so do not trust my advice :) [04:14] jdong: you don't happen to have a PPC machine do you...? [04:14] I'm especially worried about that architecture. [04:15] imbrandon: around? [04:15] tonyyarusso: pfft nope :) I'm wondering the same :) [04:15] PPC has been really nasty to me. [04:15] actually I highly doubt any PPC'ers care about xgl [04:16] Xgl's mostly for dealing with ATI/AMD's craptastic fglrx [04:23] theCore: around? I'm just testing supertux/supertux-stable... [04:23] sistpoty: yes [04:23] sistpoty: I'm fixing the things you mentioned on REVU [04:24] theCore: fine... supertux-stable needs a few dirs updated in debian/rules, also debian/supertux-data.dirs -> debian/supertux-data-stable.dirs [04:24] theCore: and as it looks there is a bashism in debian/rules as well, so maybe SHELL=/bin/bash in there will fix this [04:25] Heya sistpoty [04:25] however the interesting part is the upgrade path, which I'll test in a few minutes... still fiddling with mini-dinstall ;) [04:25] hi bddebian [04:26] Was xmule removed from the archives? [04:26] sistpoty: so, you did fix the build problems? [04:26] theCore: yep, should I put it to revu? === bureado [n=bureado@190.75.2.230] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Later"] [04:26] yeah, why not? [04:27] ok [04:27] Yep.. Hmm === Bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.55.112] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy mmns... ponders xnest + ssh -XC + gdm == faster than VNC and more secure than XDMCP... [04:28] is anyone here working on the kde 4 test packages? === caravena_ [n=caravena@129-29-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] bluefoxicy: I dont think you would find that to be faster [04:31] ya i was going to say the same thing [04:31] bluefoxicy: if you want super fast remote X, check out NX === Kioshen [n=kioshen@modemcable238.174-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] I generally find ssh -XC to be faster than vnc :( [04:33] bluefoxicy: over a local network, sure. [04:33] yeah [04:34] also I run vnc both directly and over ssh so I've seen both.. it comes and goes. NX would be awesome though [04:34] bluefoxicy: vnc does a lot more compression, which just adds latency over a fat pipe [04:34] I wish there was an nx compression option in ssh [04:34] haha [04:34] WRITE IT! :D [04:34] ssh -X: use X forwarding [04:35] ssh -XCC: use X forwarding with compression with NX compression on X forwarding [04:35] >:D [04:38] <_ion> Yeah, NX rules. [04:39] NX rules too :) [04:39] but isn't it a security nightmare? [04:39] i.e. being an alternate X server? [04:40] <_ion> I thought it tunnels everything though ssh. [04:40] bddebian, sistpoty: Any chance either of you have a moment to glance over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 ? [04:40] _ion: nonetheless it's a 2nd X server implementation [04:40] and X client for that matter [04:41] _ion: (personally I am an avid NX user) === thecore [n=user@modemcable092.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] tonyyarusso: I might be able to in a bit [04:43] bddebian: That would be lovely. [04:43] ah... sheesh... now I've created a second revu account for myself *G* [04:44] jdong: meaning more root-level code? [04:44] bluefoxicy: no, another source of security vulnerabilities to manage. [04:44] ah [04:44] bluefoxicy: it's not like the base Xorg code hasn't had security vulns [04:44] right, it only needs root to draw on the hardware, forgot [04:45] bluefoxicy: and fixing Xorg does not fix NX :) [04:45] NX is like another copy of Xorg :) [04:45] yeah [04:45] I know how security works kthx :) [04:45] and plus all the packaging for it is "whoo" === jdong sprinkles voodoo dust [04:45] voodoo != secure :( [04:45] so apparently the archive managers aren't terribly happy with the packaging [04:45] When "Subject: REVU blahblah" type e-mails show up on the -motu mailing list, are those through some sort of automation thing, or hand-written? [04:46] jdong: I want virt-manager [04:46] Seveas used to maintain a repo of freenx [04:46] like since Breezy/Hoary [04:46] I think that's still available for Edgy [04:46] and it still isn't ready for inclusion [04:46] yay :) [04:47] jdong: I'm using ssh to forward virt-manager over from a fedora box now and working on installing VMs [04:47] jdong: I can honestly say I hate fedora/redhat more than I did this morning. === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host175-134-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] ubuntu will be much better for this if we ever get good Xen support :/ [04:48] there's like 5 times more services running out of the box [04:50] bluefoxicy: yeah true :) === RedWorm [n=redWorm@cpe-76-175-87-108.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] good bye motus! [04:52] bluefoxicy: i've been doing xen with gentoo for a year now [04:52] thelsdj: I started with Xen on Gentoo, with v1.0 :) [04:52] hey, if my boss wants to pay me to sit around waiting for shit to compile, fine with me [04:53] I'm planning my CCDC strategy and looking at how easy it is to set up a Xen domain [04:53] thelsdj: my boss emphasises that we use multi-tasking OSes [04:53] I work in support [04:53] we're expected to be able to talk to someone on the phone, handle 4 people chatting in, research and reproduce all their issues, fix some, and maybe be working on something unrelated, all at the same time. [04:53]