[12:13] <imbrandon> crimsun, i was wondering if you ( and LaserJock if wanted ) to help me come up with a short list of common packages ( like vim-full etc ) that should be installed on the build machines
[12:13] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: I'm around
[12:13] <imbrandon> so i can make sure and have the common things like cvs subversion bzr etc installed before i announce it
[12:13] <tonyyarusso> awesome, found my mistake.
[12:13] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Cool.  Same @earthlink.net address if that helps you track it down.
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> I think that's the last time I attempt dput from home until we get a new connection :P
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> (It was running for, um, five hours?)
[12:14] <imbrandon> s/build/build boxes/
[12:15] <tonyyarusso> Someone should make an aw-heck-I-build-a-lot-so-gimme metapackage.
[12:16] <crimsun> imbrandon: I always install build-essential, devscripts, linux-headers-$(uname -r), mercurial, cvs, subversion, monotone, bzr, dpatch, cdbs, scons, quilt, pbuilder and sbuild
[12:17] <imbrandon> sounds like a good list to me, past that people can request things 
[12:17] <crimsun> if it's a kubuntu machine, I also build-dep amarok-xine
[12:17] <crimsun> if it's an ubuntu machine, I also build-dep evolution
[12:18] <imbrandon> its ubuntu server ( the ones for the buildd )
[12:18] <imbrandon> so really neither
[12:19] <imbrandon> or both
[12:19] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:27] <crimsun> imbrandon: you'll probably want debhelper, too
[12:29] <imbrandon> yea i had that one
[12:30] <imbrandon> okies i think those are finaly ready for general user consumption
[12:30] <imbrandon> well moreso than just me announcing in here
[12:30] <imbrandon> thanks crimsun 
[12:30] <imbrandon> plus within reason if someone asks for a package installed i'm not against it
[12:31] <imbrandon> because it is only -dev and -core-dev on the boxes so there should be some level of trust
[12:32] <crimsun> gosh, if you trust me, you be up a creek
[12:32] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:32] <shawarma> We're getting build servers?
[12:32] <shawarma> shiny ones?
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> say what?
[12:32] <imbrandon> i have 2 setup at the moment and a 3rd installing
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> oh, only for -dev and -core-dev - I'm not that cool yet :P
[12:33] <imbrandon> and a 4th "someday"
[12:33] <shawarma> imbrandon: Which ones? Who's paying?
[12:33] <crimsun> it's all part of brandon's ominous plan to steal our ~/.id_dsa.pubs. Oh wait...
[12:33] <imbrandon> i'm paying for most of them uptill now
[12:33] <imbrandon> and siretart donated a sparc to use
[12:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:34] <shawarma> YES! Just what I wanted to hear!
[12:34] <shawarma> I've been dying to get access to a sparc.
[12:34] <crimsun> I have some pizza boxes if you'd like some sparcs
[12:34] <imbrandon> so at the moment there is a i386 , and sparc ready to use, ppc is installing
[12:34] <imbrandon> crimsun, rackable ones?
[12:34] <imbrandon> nice
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> How silly would it be to try to build a graphical application on sparc, just in case?
[12:35] <crimsun> well, they're _much_ too slow to be useful, I'm afraid (they're SS20s)
[12:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:35] <shawarma> crimsun: I know next to nothing about sparcs. I just have a package that ftbfs on sparc and ia64 and I can't figure out why.
[12:35] <imbrandon> the one in use now is a ultra 10, its not a speed demon but the number of sparc only bugs isnt high
[12:36] <imbrandon> shawarma, are you in ubuntu-dev ?
[12:36] <shawarma> imbrandon: Yup.
[12:36] <imbrandon> is your ssh key on LP ?
[12:36] <shawarma> yup
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> The one I'm working on failed on PPC last time, but built on x86 and amd64..
[12:36] <imbrandon> then ssh sparky.build.imbrandon.com and try'her out
[12:37] <imbrandon> pbuilder-$dist is your friend
[12:37] <imbrandon> eg pbuilder-feisty
[12:37] <shawarma> ROCK!
[12:37] <imbrandon> i havent made the "official" announcement , but i planned on it today
[12:37] <imbrandon> so have at it
[12:37] <imbrandon> lemme know if you have any issues
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> To do a feisty pbuilder on a non-feisty machine, you need a feisty debootstrap, correct?
[12:37] <shawarma> I've been looking for spelling mistakes in man pages of the package just to have an excuse to upload a version with some extra debugging to the build servers.
[12:38] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso, or the backported debootstrap
[12:38] <zul> *yawn*
[12:38] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: Ah.
[12:39] <imbrandon> shawarma, and the i386 buildd is just build.imbrandon.com
[12:39] <imbrandon> just FYI
[12:39] <imbrandon> i'll makeup a doc about it soonish
[12:39] <shawarma> imbrandon: Did you just go through all the mutu's on launchpad and fetch out ssh keys or have you been smarter about it?
[12:40] <imbrandon> and ajmitch and myself are the admins on the boxes for the moment if anything goes crazy
[12:40] <imbrandon> shawarma, i ahve a script that syncs
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: no 64-bit one then?
[12:40] <imbrandon> so if the key changes on LP it will be updated on the boxen too
[12:40] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso, the x86_64 is the "4th"
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> righto
[12:41] <shawarma> imbrandon: Ok. I just remember implementing authenticate-against-launchpad in a paramiko-based ssh server a while back.. I thought you might have smoked from the same crack pipe as me..
[12:41] <imbrandon> e.g. not at the moment but is planned shortly
[12:41] <imbrandon> shawarma, ahh cool, no , no crack like that ;)
[12:42] <imbrandon> just a bash script that grabs the accounts and keys of dev and core-dev
[12:42] <shawarma> imbrandon: Right.
[12:42] <imbrandon> i ahvent implemented account removal yet, but as accounts only expire every two years i ahve time
[12:43] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[12:44] <Adri2000> hi Hobbsee 
[12:45] <Adri2000> imbrandon: access to build machines for all motus? wow :)
[12:45] <imbrandon> yes
[12:45] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I have some lintian warnings (but not errors) on the resulting deb I got, and need to know how serious they are:
[12:45] <imbrandon> that was the who intention of them ;)
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> binary-without-manpage, image-file-in-usr-lib, and extended-description-line-too-long  ?
[12:46] <shawarma> tonyyarusso: lintian-info is your friend.
[12:47] <tonyyarusso> right
[12:49] <theCore> Hobbsee: hi
[12:50] <theCore> Hobbsee: have you found a way to "fix" bug 84084
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 84084 in supertux "SuperTux 0.3.0 is officially unsupported!" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/84084
[12:51] <imbrandon> shawarma, get in ok?
[12:51] <shawarma> imbrandon: Sure, I'm compiling my package now. Wheeee!
[12:51] <shawarma> imbrandon: :-)
[12:51] <shawarma> imbrandon: This is so great!
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> shawarma: Clearly they aren't ideal, but some, particularly image-file-in-usr-lib, would require either a lot of work or changes upstream to handle.  I'll definitely fix the description one, not sure what there is to say in a manpage for it.
[12:52] <theCore> Hobbsee: I will start thinking this guy is a troll, if he continues to act without any manner
[12:52] <zul> meld is a pretty good develipment tool as well
[12:52] <imbrandon> heh just be nice the sparc isnt a speed demon ;)
[12:53] <jdong> zul: meld the merging tool?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> theCore: looking
[12:53] <imbrandon> ok zul 
[12:54] <zul> jdong: yep
[12:54] <jdong> zul: fully agreed, very handy esp. for merging :)
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> Does anyone know of an easy way to fix the /usr/lib vs /usr/share issue for images without seriously hacking up the source code?  I'm listening :)
[12:55] <crimsun> djwings ta gmail tod com seems adamant about Ubuntu not shipping 0.3x, but what do the _developers_ say?
[12:55] <zul> edit the makefile?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> theCore: oh yes, i meant to check.  has debian also had a bug filed against them?
[12:55] <jdong> tonyyarusso: find the dev's address, find a large blunt instrument.....
[12:55] <theCore> Hobbsee: I don't know
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> jdong: He's actually reasonably receptive to most of my comments so far.  However, he's doing this particular program mostly as a bugfix of another, so wants to change as little as possible of the underlying stuff.
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> zul: patching might be an option, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it.
[12:58] <theCore> Hobbsee: hmm... well there was a bug complaining about SuperTux 0.3 wasn't packaged 
[12:58] <Hobbsee> theCore: exactly, and there were a certain few devs that wanted it :P
[12:58] <theCore> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404676
[12:58] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 404676 in supertux "New upstream release: 0.3.0" [Wishlist,Closed]  
[12:59] <theCore> Hobbsee: maybe I should ask a main developer what they think 
[01:00] <theCore> Hobbsee: I am septic about this DJ Wing guy
[01:00] <Hobbsee> theCore: i'm doing that now
[01:00] <theCore> Hobbsee: thanks
[01:00] <crimsun> ask an upstream supertux dev, yes.
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: you said you were working on getting a PPC up?
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> any of you folks want to test build something for me on it?
[01:04] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: cdbs-edit-patch or dpatch-edit-patch
[01:06] <Hobbsee> theCore: http://rafb.net/p/nnqqP394.html
[01:07] <shawarma> imbrandon: It might be a good idea to make pbuilder's resultdir be somewhere in the user's homedir. That way, we can clean up after ourselves. :-)
[01:09] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso, yes
[01:09] <imbrandon> shawarma, i thought about that 
[01:09] <imbrandon> i might possibly sometime
[01:10] <shawarma> imbrandon: Either that or chmod the result dirs to 1777 or something.
[01:10] <imbrandon> ahh i thought I had actualy
[01:10] <crimsun> Hobbsee: / theCore: you could roll it back to (fakesync with) Debian unstable's 0.1.3-1.1, but version ours 0.3.0-0ubuntu1+really0.1.3
[01:11] <shawarma> imbrandon: That would enable us to clean up after ourselves without allowing us to mess with each other's stuff.
[01:11] <crimsun> Hobbsee: err, no, different tar.gzs, sorry
[01:12] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm thinking of getting them to remove it from the archive, then direct sync debian's version
[01:12] <Hobbsee> either version
[01:12] <imbrandon> that would break anyone that has it installed
[01:12] <imbrandon> and mirrors
[01:12] <shawarma> Hobbsee: I'm not sure that would work very well for the mirrors.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hrm
[01:13] <imbrandon> ok who wants to try the other thing i've had up my sleeve the last few days
[01:14] <StevenK> Any way you look at it, it's going to be messy.
[01:14] <shawarma> imbrandon: me me!
[01:14] <imbrandon> a free Ubuntu-ish Jabber and Email server
[01:14] <imbrandon> http://www.ubuntuwire.com/
[01:14] <shawarma> imbrandon: Ah, yes, I saw that a few days ago, I think.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> StevenK: exactly
[01:14] <shawarma> imbrandon: Or am I on crack?
[01:14] <imbrandon> check it out, abuse it, and lemme know, i'ma blog about it soon
[01:14] <imbrandon> shawarma, it wasent ready yet
[01:14] <imbrandon> now you can actauly make accounts and they work
[01:15] <shawarma> imbrandon: No, but I stumbled upon it somehow anyway.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[01:16] <imbrandon> hum someone jabber me real fast , brandon@ubuntuwore.com
[01:16] <imbrandon> err @ubuntuwire.com
[01:19] <theCore> Hobbsee: so, it's true...
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> I can't figure out why compiling errors out with a syntax error of all things on one architecture and not another.
[01:19] <shawarma> tonyyarusso: No, that does sound strange.
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> err, wait, maybe that's not it.
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> nvm, this seems to be the problem:  /bin/sh: line 2: ../../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_glibc_PTH_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall: cannot execute binary file
[01:21] <imbrandon> lol
[01:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: done
[01:21] <theCore> Hobbsee: is it possible to roll back a package?
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> Am I to interpret that as it trying to run an x86 binary for a PPC compile?  wth!
[01:22] <Hobbsee> theCore: effectively no. 
[01:22] <Hobbsee> theCore: oh, i know
[01:23] <Hobbsee> theCore: grab the debian 0.1.3, change the packagename to supertux-old, make it conflict with supertux, and put a warning in supertux that it's a snapshot, and that supertux-old is the stable one.
[01:23] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i ment jabber not email but that works too ;)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> i dont think that most people will *want* to use the old version, so wont install it, but it's there
[01:23] <theCore> Hobbsee: that would be great
[01:24] <crimsun> Hobbsee: or perhaps -stable instead of -old
[01:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah
[01:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: which isnt much overhead for us, of course - we just remove it from the archives when 2.0 is out
[01:27] <shawarma> Goodnight, guys.
[01:27] <crimsun> 'night
[01:27] <imbrandon> gnight
[01:31] <theCore> Hobbsee: what should I say in the changelog entry? "Renamed the package to `supertux-stable'. (closes: #84084)"?
[01:31] <thelsdj> ls
[01:31] <Hobbsee> theCore: i wouldnt rename it
[01:31] <thelsdj> heh woops
[01:31] <Hobbsee> theCore: we can distribute both
[01:31] <Hobbsee> theCore: just add a new package, in, called supertux-stable, which is from debian.
[01:32] <theCore> so, I just junk the whole changelog???
[01:32] <StevenK> No, junk up until 0.1.3-1
[01:32] <StevenK> Er, from
[01:32] <Hobbsee> then just add the stable version to ubuntu
[01:33] <StevenK> Oh, if it's straight from Debian, leave it all alone, yes.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> as in, call the 0.3.0 version supertux, and the 0.1.3 version supertux-stable
[01:33] <Hobbsee> StevenK: well, the name changes.
[01:34] <StevenK> So the new entry 0.1.3-1ubuntu1 has the source package name 'supertux-stable', the entries underneath can still have a source package name of supertux
[01:34] <theCore> StevenK: yep
[01:34] <StevenK> How about we also have supertux Recommend supertux-stable? :-P
[01:34] <theCore> supertux-stable (0.1.3-1.1ubuntu0) feisty; urgency=low  * New package `supertux-stable' for the supported version
[01:34] <theCore>     of SuperTux. (closes: #84084)
[01:34] <theCore> look good?
[01:34] <StevenK> Why not ubuntu1?
[01:35] <theCore> oh, right
[01:36] <Hobbsee> StevenK: files trying to overwrite each other :P  needs a conflicts, really
[01:37] <theCore> do I rename supertux-data to supertux-data-stable supertux-stable-data?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> the former
[01:38] <Hobbsee> and make sure you change the deps over, too, of course
[01:38] <theCore> yes, I did
[01:39] <theCore> ok, done
[01:39] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> stick it on revu?
[01:39] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Ah, Conflicts and Recommends is what I meant. :-)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yes
[01:40] <Hobbsee> why recommends, with recommending by default?
[01:40] <StevenK> That's the point, it will blow up...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:40] <StevenK> :-P
[01:40] <Hobbsee> so then you can install supertux still, cant you?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> yes, if you dont install recommends by default
[01:40] <StevenK> I was actually joking, anyway
[01:41] <StevenK> Conflicts, Replaces and Provides should be set to supertux
[01:41] <StevenK> supertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable
[01:59] <theCore_> Hobbsee: uploaded
[01:59] <Hobbsee> theCore_: to revu?  yay :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> theCore_: or are you a MOTU?
[01:59] <theCore_> well, almost
[02:00] <theCore_> to revu
[02:00] <theCore> done
[02:01] <theCore> hopefully, I haven't done any mistake
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> Does anyone have PPC machines?  I need someone else to test a build.  It failed on the one I tried so far, and it's a bit weird.
[02:01] <theCore> Hobbsee: should I change supertux, too?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> theCore: [11:41]  <StevenK> supertux needs to be uploaded to have the Description changed and should also Conflict and Replaces supertux-stable
[02:02] <Hobbsee> so, yes
[02:02] <theCore> ok, I am on it
[02:03] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> imbrandon: is yours ready yet?
[02:05] <imbrandon> my what?
[02:05] <imbrandon> if you mean ppc no, it takes me days to get new machines ready
[02:07] <tonyyarusso> Ah, ok.  Didn't know if this was a like pop in the disk and wait an hour kind of get ready or more involved
[02:10] <LaserJock> why does KDE hate me? :(
[02:10] <zul> because there could be alot of reasons
[02:10] <LaserJock> I never said anything really bad about it
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Because it's confusing J with G, and letting some of it's extra Gnome wrath out on you.
[02:11] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:14] <LaserJock> my computer just freezes if I don't use it for a while
[02:14] <LaserJock> I *think* it only happens in KDE
[02:15] <theCore> Hobbsee: uploading supertux to revu
[02:19] <theCore> Hobbsee: supertux-stable has been rejected
[02:24] <theCore> ok, supertux is fully uploaded
[02:26] <theCore> ahh....
[02:26] <theCore> doh....
[02:26] <Hobbsee> theCore: why'd it get rejected?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> to set up a second chroot env. would i use /var/chroot(name of first) or would i make a /var/chroot2 and still beable to use dchroot -c bleh -d?
[02:27] <theCore> Hobbsee: I uploaded to upload.ubuntu.com instead of revu 
[02:27] <Hobbsee> theCore: ah.  yes, that occasionally bit me, too.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> before i got REVU, of course - now i just try to upload to main, occasionally
[02:27] <Hobbsee> theCore: so supertux-stable is on REVU - can you do a debdiff of the supertux package?
[02:28] <theCore> I uploaded both to u.u.c
[02:28] <theCore> so, try #2
[02:28] <theCore> ok, see ya later
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> Things that should be considered in the future are listed in debian/TODO, correct?
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> or TODO.Debian
[02:54] <theCore> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4486 http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4487
[02:59] <siretart> giskard: pong?
[03:03] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:08] <jdong> crimsun: ping
[03:08] <jdong> oops forgot
[03:08] <jdong> crimsun: regarding bug 87687, I am incapable of producing a UVFe because I cannot make a Ubuntu-quality debdiff for the new release.
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[03:09] <jdong> and IMO it's not a Wishlist item... By uploading Xorg 7.2 xserver-xgl was completely broken
[03:10] <sistpoty> hi folks
[03:10] <jdong> hi siretart 
[03:10] <jdong> grr
[03:11] <jdong> sistpoty: 
[03:11] <sistpoty> hi jdong
[03:11] <jdong> :)
[03:11] <jdong> xchat tab needs to die a slow painful death by listening to Bush speeches on repeat.
[03:13] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty 
[03:13] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[03:20] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: hooray
[03:20] <sistpoty> hm... I wonder if a versioned replaces of supertux-stable to supertux (< 0.3.0) would draw in supertux-stable instead of supertux for everyone still having the stable version installed
[03:20] <sistpoty> I guess I'll need to try that with a local repo
[03:22] <sistpoty> ajmitch, crimsun: what do you think about the supertux situation? do we want a supertux-stable? if so, will I get an FF exception for it? *g*
[03:22] <imbrandon> 2/me is off to sleep
[03:22] <imbrandon> gnight folks
[03:22] <sistpoty> gn8 imbrandon
[03:22] <pochu> night!
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: Could you please clear the partial upload from me on REVU?  LaserJock was going to earlier, but apparently forgot.
[03:27] <ajmitch> only if you tell me what it is
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: kompozer, from tonyyarusso at earthlink dot net
[03:27] <ajmitch> kompozer, I presume?
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> yep
[03:28] <ajmitch> well there's nothing linking it to you :)
[03:28] <ajmitch> unless i peek through the .dsc files
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> ah
[03:28] <ajmitch> done
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> thanks
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> Could I please get some people to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488?  (You may want to also note bug 60353)
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60353 in nvu "Nvu's unofficial bug-fix release" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60353
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: Just got something up if you're interested, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488
[04:03] <bureado> Greetings. I maintain a package in Debian which is also present in Ubuntu (will release in Feisty) but the version being released is outdated. I've requested an unfreeze in Debian, but I would like to know if I can upload the newer version to REVU in order to get it considered for Feisty.
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: also at one time said you might look at my work?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: sometime, yes :)
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: ok
[04:04] <LaserJock> bureado: we are under Upstream Version Freeze for Feisty
[04:05] <jdong> at all risk of point-and-laugh-at-jdong, I've filed UVFe for bug 87687....
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[04:07] <bureado> LaserJock: Does that mean you won't consider newer versions of the packages? I've read the wikipage regarding UVF, and I wrote Matt Zimmerman and Colin Watson, but I don't know if I'm required to act on it, like uploading the package to REVU or something. I'm not really involved in Ubuntu maintainership (but would love to, indeed!)
[04:07] <jdong> bureado: you have to file a bug report with good reason for it to be done....
[04:07] <jdong> and it's also expected that all the work be done
[04:07] <jdong> and the masters just click a button :)
[04:09] <bureado> jdong: I see. I should file a bug on which package/product/section/whatever Launchpad calls it?
[04:09] <LaserJock> bureado: check out section 5 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[04:09] <bureado> jdong: Never mind, I'll read - thanks!
[04:10] <bureado> LaserJock: Thanks!
[04:10] <jdong> :)
[04:10] <bureado> Just in case, it's nginx, a small webserver -> debian.bureado.com.ve/nginx
[04:10] <bureado> 0.5.13 provides SSL and FLV streaming support, and 0.4 (the one that's being released in Feisty) is outdated :(
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> jdong: Do you have a minute to glace over my revu ul for errors?
[04:13] <jdong> tonyyarusso: I am a moron when it comes to package :)
[04:13] <jdong> packaging*
[04:13] <jdong> and plus I'm 30h without sleep
[04:13] <tonyyarusso> jdong: bah, fine :P
[04:14] <jdong> so do not trust my advice :)
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> jdong: you don't happen to have a PPC machine do you...?
[04:14] <tonyyarusso> I'm especially worried about that architecture.
[04:15] <LaserJock> imbrandon: around?
[04:15] <jdong> tonyyarusso: pfft nope :) I'm wondering the same :)
[04:15] <jdong> PPC has been really nasty to me.
[04:15] <jdong> actually I highly doubt any PPC'ers care about xgl
[04:16] <jdong> Xgl's mostly for dealing with ATI/AMD's craptastic fglrx
[04:23] <sistpoty> theCore: around? I'm just testing supertux/supertux-stable...
[04:23] <theCore> sistpoty: yes
[04:23] <theCore> sistpoty: I'm fixing the things you mentioned on REVU
[04:24] <sistpoty> theCore: fine... supertux-stable needs a few dirs updated in debian/rules, also debian/supertux-data.dirs -> debian/supertux-data-stable.dirs
[04:24] <sistpoty> theCore: and as it looks there is a bashism in debian/rules as well, so maybe SHELL=/bin/bash in there will fix this
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:25] <sistpoty> however the interesting part is the upgrade path, which I'll test in a few minutes... still fiddling with mini-dinstall ;)
[04:25] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[04:26] <bddebian> Was xmule removed from the archives?
[04:26] <theCore> sistpoty: so, you did fix the build problems?
[04:26] <sistpoty> theCore: yep, should I put it to revu?
[04:26] <theCore> yeah, why not?
[04:27] <sistpoty> ok
[04:27] <bddebian> Yep.. Hmm
[04:28] <Bipolar> is anyone here working on the kde 4 test packages?
[04:31] <Bipolar> bluefoxicy: I dont think you would find that to be faster
[04:31] <thelsdj> ya i was going to say the same thing
[04:31] <Bipolar> bluefoxicy: if you want super fast remote X, check out NX
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> I generally find ssh -XC to be faster than vnc :(
[04:33] <Bipolar> bluefoxicy: over a local network, sure.
[04:33] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> also I run vnc both directly and over ssh so I've seen both.. it comes and goes.  NX would be awesome though
[04:34] <Bipolar> bluefoxicy: vnc does a lot more compression, which just adds latency over a fat pipe
[04:34] <Bipolar> I wish there was an nx compression option in ssh
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> haha
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> WRITE IT!  :D
[04:34] <bluefoxicy> ssh -X:  use X forwarding
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> ssh -XCC:  use X forwarding with compression with NX compression on X forwarding
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> >:D
[04:38] <_ion> Yeah, NX rules.
[04:39] <jdong> NX rules too :)
[04:39] <jdong> but isn't it a security nightmare?
[04:39] <jdong> i.e. being an alternate X server?
[04:40] <_ion> I thought it tunnels everything though ssh.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> bddebian, sistpoty: Any chance either of you have a moment to glance over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 ?
[04:40] <jdong> _ion: nonetheless it's a 2nd X server implementation
[04:40] <jdong> and X client for that matter
[04:41] <jdong> _ion: (personally I am an avid NX user)
[04:43] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: I might be able to in a bit
[04:43] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: That would be lovely.
[04:43] <sistpoty> ah... sheesh... now I've created a second revu account for myself *G*
[04:44] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  meaning more root-level code?
[04:44] <jdong> bluefoxicy: no, another source of security vulnerabilities to manage.
[04:44] <bluefoxicy> ah
[04:44] <jdong> bluefoxicy: it's not like the base Xorg code hasn't had security vulns
[04:44] <bluefoxicy> right, it only needs root to draw on the hardware, forgot
[04:45] <jdong> bluefoxicy: and fixing Xorg does not fix NX :)
[04:45] <jdong> NX is like another copy of Xorg :)
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> I know how security works kthx :)
[04:45] <jdong> and plus all the packaging for it is "whoo"
[04:45] <bluefoxicy> voodoo != secure :(
[04:45] <jdong> so apparently the archive managers aren't terribly happy with the packaging
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> When "Subject: REVU blahblah" type e-mails show up on the -motu mailing list, are those through some sort of automation thing, or hand-written?
[04:46] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I want virt-manager
[04:46] <jdong> Se<no_ping>veas used to maintain a repo of freenx
[04:46] <jdong> like since Breezy/Hoary
[04:46] <jdong> I think that's still available for Edgy
[04:46] <jdong> and it still isn't ready for inclusion
[04:46] <jdong> yay :)
[04:47] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I'm using ssh to forward virt-manager over from a fedora box now and working on installing VMs
[04:47] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  I can honestly say I hate fedora/redhat more than I did this morning.
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu will be much better for this if we ever get good Xen support :/
[04:48] <bluefoxicy> there's like 5 times more services running out of the box
[04:50] <jdong> bluefoxicy: yeah true :)
[04:52] <pochu> good bye motus!
[04:52] <thelsdj> bluefoxicy: i've been doing xen with gentoo for a year now
[04:52] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  I started with Xen on Gentoo, with v1.0 :)
[04:52] <thelsdj> hey, if my boss wants to pay me to sit around waiting for shit to compile, fine with me
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> I'm planning my CCDC strategy and looking at how easy it is to set up a Xen domain
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  my boss emphasises that we use multi-tasking OSes
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> I work in support
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> we're expected to be able to talk to someone on the phone, handle 4 people chatting in, research and reproduce all their issues, fix some, and maybe be working on something unrelated, all at the same time.
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> To enable us to accomplish this task.....
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> .....they hooked up 2 19 inch monitors to each workstation.
[04:54] <thelsdj> did you insist on 2x 2 core opteron?
[04:54] <bluefoxicy> no
[04:54] <jdong> thelsdj: you mean the 2x2core Xeon Woodcrest? ;-)
[04:54] <thelsdj> (i have one of those sitting on my desk waiting to go into colo on monday) heh
[04:54] <thelsdj> 9.6ghz should be enough for anyone
[04:55] <thelsdj> sad thing is..
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  we use 2x2 Xeon with SMT enabled o.o
[04:55] <jdong> thelsdj: so was 640K RAM :D
[04:55] <thelsdj> its going to become a windows 2003 server :(
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  8 threads, but half of those are hyperthreading.
[04:55] <jdong> bluefoxicy: cool :) the new Core 2 based ones? ;-)
[04:55] <jdong> or the old Netbursts
[04:55] <jdong> the Core-based Xeons rock
[04:55] <jdong> poor poor AMD
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> does their hyperthreading still suck?
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> AMD is not really out of the game
[04:55] <jdong> they don't hyperthread anymore.
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> they are on 90nm technology
[04:55] <jdong> they don't need to
[04:55] <thelsdj> we're probably going to be putting some xeon 3000's in or whatever they are
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> and intel does 65nm
[04:56] <jdong> bluefoxicy: 45nm later this year ;-)
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> AMD will catch up.
[04:56] <jdong> bluefoxicy: AMD needs time.
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> jdong:  Ours hyperthread.
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> they have 2MB of L1 cache somehow
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> I have nfc how
[04:56] <jdong> bluefoxicy: well the newer ones don't need to hyperthread :)
[04:56] <jdong> and they don't have 2MB L1
[04:56] <jdong> they have 2x2MB L2
[04:56] <jdong> new ones have 4MB L2 shared.
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> but they're dual core and each core hyperthreads
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> so each CPU acts as 4 CPUs
[04:56] <jdong> lol
[04:56] <jdong> sadly that doesn't help out much :D
[04:57] <jdong> though it looks REALLY cool
[04:57] <jdong> on a CPU monitor
[04:57] <thelsdj> but back to the subject that began this, i really would love to see great ubuntu support for xen, though my boss would prefer openbsd support as xen host
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> hahahahahaha
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> <-- hates OpenBSD
[04:57] <thelsdj> i'm kinda the same, i'm more interested in just using ubuntu as xen guest
[04:57] <thelsdj> i like openbsd
[04:57] <jdong> feels like so much maintenance
[04:57] <jdong> they're great OS'es
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> I'm more interested in using OSes that don't use security through bullshit claims
[04:57] <jdong> but I can't babysit them....
[04:57] <thelsdj> openbsd just works, and works, and works
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> openbsd just worsk... if you can ever get it installed
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> it's secure... if you're absolutely sure you configured it right
[04:58] <thelsdj> we run it on firewalls with almost no maintanence
[04:58] <thelsdj> and the install is dead simple
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> it has security features... along with an assload of "security features" that don't increase security, but make it slower.
[04:58] <thelsdj> i can crack out reinstall in 15 minutes
[04:58] <thelsdj> or less
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> (yes it has some nice security stuff)
[04:58] <jdong> thelsdj: you are A LOT MORE ALIVE while dead than me.
[04:58] <jdong> and you are a lot more experienced with the OS than me
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  I can't install OpenBSD on anything with other OSes on it
[04:58] <thelsdj> actually, i just have a cheatsheet
[04:58] <jdong> thelsdj: ten bucks it won't take me 15 minutes or close to that to do it :)
[04:59] <thelsdj> the install has been the same for years
[04:59] <thelsdj> so you only need to learn it once
[04:59] <jdong> LMAO Gentoo-ism
[04:59] <jdong> lol
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  last time I tried to install OBSD it was like, "Create a partition.  OK, now create slices in it.  Enter CHS"
[04:59] <jdong> "I can't install Fedora in advanced partitioning... I only can do Gentoo!"
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> it let me create a partition to the left of the beginning of the disk..........
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> or anywhere
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> so
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> unless I checked and double-checked and was absolutely sure of the values I was putting in it
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> it would easily destroy my disk as soon as I went on.
[04:59] <thelsdj> i agree it could be a pain if you're trying to do something silly like dual boot it, but why wouold you want to dual boot a firewall?
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> I'm not gonna chance it.
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> Firewalls are easy for anything
[05:00] <thelsdj> use a small disk, we prefer solid state disks
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> I wouldn't run OBSD as a server though.
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> for a firewall... I don't care, gentoo or debian or obsd or netbsd, it doesn't do anything really complex anyway.
[05:00] <thelsdj> actually we are moving some stuff to openbsd, we run a minimal http server to do OTP authentication to allow access through the firewall
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> mmm opie
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> Hmm
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> you know, a specialized Xen install would be awesomeness.
[05:02] <thelsdj> what do you mean?
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> No desktop environment, no printers, no daemons (well, ssh)
[05:02] <thelsdj> are you talking host or guest?
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> install the GUI tools, create a user, then ssh into the box (ssh -XC) and run virt-manager or xenman from another machine
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> host
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> I'm thinking, there should be an ultra-minimal host OS install specifically for Xen host, so it doesn't use up much memory (maybe 30MB?)
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> <-- fantasizing
[05:04] <bluefoxicy> you can tell i love virtualization can't you
[05:05] <bluefoxicy> ROFL
[05:06] <thelsdj> well i say take ubuntu-server and add a new install option that makes it install xen is first step :)
[05:07] <thelsdj> (and then make it actually work)
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> I'd like to see e-mail server as an option too
[05:08] <thelsdj> (and then fix whatever you broke)
[05:09] <thelsdj> personally i do my xen installs pretty manually, i actually use the latest xen-unstable from mercurial :)
[05:09] <thelsdj> ubuntu-server also needs to have an option for installing into a chroot from an existing linux installation thats running
[05:10] <thelsdj> (to use it for guests)
[05:11] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[05:11] <LaserJock> goodness
[05:11] <LaserJock> it's more like good morning
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock 
[05:12] <Hobbsee> indeed.  it's 3pm
[05:12] <bddebian> Damn I hate C++
[05:12] <thelsdj> damn i hate computers
[05:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: you do?
[05:12] <thelsdj> oh wait, i've spent the last 8 years of my life doing nothing but playing with computers, what a waste
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> tonyyarusso:  I want samba 4 to be done so I can have an active directory domain controller
[05:13] <tonyyarusso> samba...shudder
[05:13] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah :-(
[05:15] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: looks...fun
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Oh it was!  lol...
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: It runs and whatnot on my system, which is something.  I'm a tad skeptical about PPC though.
[05:16] <thelsdj> using gentoo at work and ubuntu at home is annoying, i keep typing emerge or aptitude in the wrong place
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  write a script that when you type 'emerge' it recursively apt-get build-dep's all the needed build-deps and then builds all of them and then the actual package, and installs it :)
[05:18] <thelsdj> ha
[05:18] <jdong> bluefoxicy: I've had Portagebuntu in Warty days
[05:18] <thelsdj> do what i mean not what i say
[05:18] <jdong> hacked it up... applies regex'es between dpkg packagenames and portage ones
[05:18] <jdong> and then generates cheap debs with checkinstall after ebuilding.
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> That's so sad.
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> "I wonder which would be easier, just typing it right, or hacking together a massive script to do all kinds of crazy backwards things to accomplish the same task through a roundabout fashion?"  Only on Linux....
[05:20] <thelsdj> i think i'll stick to 'command not found'
[05:20] <thelsdj> most of the time i catch it before i've hit enter
[05:21] <Hobbsee> thelsdj: or use aliases
[05:21] <Hobbsee> alias emerge ='aptitude install'
[05:21] <Hobbsee> works
[05:22] <thelsdj> yea though i usually do emerge -pv or emerge -s beforehand and by the time i actually get around to installing something i know which distro i'm using :)
[05:23] <thelsdj> funny i never heard of virt-manager before now, we rolled our own webbased xen admin interface with ssh keys bash scripts :)
[05:26] <thelsdj> though ours has expanded to also control the various services and such running on our guests
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> mmm
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> I'd love a super central manager.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> I may write something in MIT license eventually.
[05:26] <thelsdj> i actually prefer ssh shell, my boss always wants me to automate tasks in the web admin
[05:27] <thelsdj> and i'm like "but do you want me to get it done, or dick around writing scripts that maybe eventually might get it done?"
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> (the gpl sell-your-soul-ware license can die; LGPL is approximately perfect)
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  writing scripts
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> it takes me maybe an hour, maybe 5 days to write a script
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> and then I use it for the next several months continuously
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> and I think, "... yeah this is much better."
[05:29] <thelsdj> eh, but then my boss wants me to do the task differently each time, i haven't come up with any super AI scripts that can handle all the different ways i have to do similar tasks yet
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Were you building it to check it out?  ;)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: no.  i glanced at the diff though
[05:29] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  tell him he needs to either come up with a standard procedure or go fuck himself while you come up with a baseline of what the company needs done.
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: any thoughts?
[05:30] <bluefoxicy> thelsdj:  sounds like he's no good at project management
[05:30] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: the diff is big.
[05:30] <thelsdj> problem really is i just have too many responsibilities and 95% of the time getting something done is more important than doing it right
[05:30] <Hobbsee> it had some sort of debian/ dir in it already, it looks like
[05:31] <ScottK> tonyyarusso: Just read the scrollback - Mail servers aren't very hard to set up on Ubuntu and each one is different enough that I don't know what a standard setup would look like....
[05:31] <thelsdj> he objects to that generalization, but its the way it is, i think he does care though so maybe i just need to be more firm about when we need to divert some time to doing something right
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> ScottK: ah
[05:32] <ScottK> Even just picking Postfix as the preferred MTA only narrows down the options from approximately a zillion to a billion.
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I have the debian/ dir rolled in the .orig it seems.  Oops.  Should it be that way, and I just forgot to update it to the most current debian/, or should it not be there at all?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: it's nto usually there at all, but some upstreams like to distribute it
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Ah, I must have misunderstood then.  I thought someone earlier was telling me to do that - it's not upstream.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:36] <tonyyarusso> anything else?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: didnt look that closely, sorry
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I'll redo the .orig.tar.gz - really wish I had some more feedback though - hint hint anyone who's bored (yeah right, like that happens)
[06:12] <cypher1> can one request for merge/sync requests for feisty ?
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> cypher1: Only if you can make a darn good case for it.
[06:13] <RAOF> cypher1: You would have had a better chance before upstream version freeze, but you still can. 
[06:14] <cypher1> ok thanks
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: When I remove the debian/ dir from the .orig.tar.gz I get a dput error that the checksum doesn't match.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: hence you need to rebuild the source?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> ie, the .diff.gz and the .dsc
[06:45] <tonyyarusso> I thought I had...
[06:50] <crimsun> cypher1: what's the issue?
[06:51] <crimsun> all merge/syncs that don't bring in new upstream versions are still permitted
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> Would you get a different md5sum by making identical tarballs on different machines?
[06:59] <jdong> tonyyarusso: it could be possible
[06:59] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[06:59] <jdong> depending on, amongst other things, filesystem ordering
[06:59] <jdong> (filesystem don't have to feed tar filenames in any specific order)
[07:00] <jdong> and if the system gzip/tar aren't identical versions that could play a factor :)
[07:01] <crimsun> jdong: what do you mean by "cannot make a Ubuntu-quality debdiff for the new release"?
[07:01] <jdong> crimsun: sorry I partially resolved my dilemma :)
[07:01] <jdong> I meant I did not believe it was within my abilities to provide a decent debdiff
[07:01] <crimsun> poppycock
[07:02] <jdong> well look at the debdiff and start pointing and laughing at me :D
[07:02] <jdong> I'm guessing "when in doubt, drop the patch" is not kosher policy too :D
[07:02] <crimsun> I'm still reading irssi awaylog
[07:03] <crimsun> well, dropping is kosher if it has already been merged or resolved in another fashion
[07:04] <jdong> it was a xinerama patch for Xgl... which I did not have the X knowledge to port over
[07:04] <jdong> and xinerama+Xgl is such a corner case anyway
[07:04] <jdong> not critical to Xgl functionality
[07:04] <jdong> not like that worked anyway :D
[07:05] <jdong> and crimsun, thanks for believing in me :) you've brought me down another notch on the suicidal scale :D
[07:31] <LaserJock> anybody know of a standalone flash player?
[07:31] <_ion> gnash
[07:35] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: adobe's site should have one
[07:35] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: haven't tried it though
[07:35] <lotusleaf> LaserJock: in addition to the browser plug in they have some sort of standalone player for *nix
[07:36] <crimsun> http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html
[07:37] <LaserJock> bah
[07:37] <LaserJock> my problem is that flash9 doesn't work very well
[07:38] <crimsun> so use the one for 6
[07:38] <LaserJock> ah, the joys of flash
[07:38] <LaserJock> some sites *only* work with Flash 9
[07:38] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I can switch very easily
[07:39] <RedWorm> LaserJock how doens't it work well? or which sites, i haven't had any problems w/ it
[07:39] <LaserJock> a lot of them just play a few seconds and stop
[07:40] <LaserJock> all of the Yahoo clips do that
[07:40] <RedWorm> LaserJock are you using hte final release and not the dev release?
[07:40] <LaserJock> hmm?
[07:40] <RedWorm> LaserJock have to admit, i mostly use it for youtube and flash nav...
[07:40] <RedWorm> LaserJock final was released maybe 2 mo ago or so
[07:41] <crimsun> jordan, what does it say for the version in FF's about:plugins ?
[07:41] <LaserJock> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31
[07:42] <LaserJock> it's from Feisty I'm pretty sure
[07:42] <crimsun> should be.
[07:44] <LaserJock> hmm, is it just me then?
[07:44] <minghua_> RedWorm: if you have any influence on the flash 9 development team, let them know that most CJK input methods have problem with the plugin
[07:45] <RedWorm> minghua_ i don't, but feel free to log a bug
[07:45] <minghua_> LaserJock: what browser are you using?
[07:45] <LaserJock> I tried FF and then opera
[07:45] <minghua_> I heard it matters
[07:45] <LaserJock> FF seems to work better
[07:45] <LaserJock> in opera I didn't really get anything
[07:45] <RedWorm> minghua_ http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
[07:46] <lotusleaf> you can always contact the guy who runs a blog and does work on the Linux flash driver for Adobe
[07:47] <lotusleaf> software, whatever ;)
[07:48] <lotusleaf> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[07:52] <LaserJock> is it possible to fake the version of flash you have to a website? Can I make a site think I have flash9 when I don't?
[07:53] <minghua> crappy network
[07:58] <LaserJock> man I hat flash :/
[07:58] <LaserJock> *hate
[09:54] <Lathiat> any .NZers here?
[09:54] <Lathiat> that know if telstraclear is like telstra in .au in that they generally aren't intereted in network peering
[10:14] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes?
[10:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i have native connectivity to you then :)
[10:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch: whats your ip?
[10:33] <Lathiat> i've got a native layer 2 link from my house to my work, which has native layer 2 to waix, with native layer 2 to aarnet which is pure native layer2 all the way to the broker :)
[10:33] <Lathiat> "woo" :)
[10:33] <Lathiat> Fujitsu: whats your ip?
[10:34] <Fujitsu> I've not got v6 turned on on this laptop.
[10:34] <Lathiat> ah
[10:35] <lathiat_> i need to get myapnic love so i can fix my rev dns
[10:37] <Fujitsu> Hm, I think my outgoing stuff is borked... I get a global IP, but can't get out...
[10:37] <lathiat_> try restart your tunnel
[10:37] <lathiat_> i found tspc dying with aarnet a bit
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Ah, much better.
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Yep, I found it died a bit.
[10:38] <Fujitsu> When I first started using it it was fine, but over the past few months it's been a little dead.
[10:38] <lathiat_> whats your ip
[10:39] <lathiat_> due to an issue with aarnet not all aarnet traffic is going natively to them atm
[10:39] <lathiat_> waiting for mark prior to fix that for me
[10:40] <Fujitsu> There we go.
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Shiny v6... It'll be nice when ISPs actually start offering it.
[10:43] <lathiat_> hrm yeh thats not going natively at the moment 
[10:43] <lathiat_> annoying
[10:43] <lathiat_> man, i have too many domains
[10:43] <lathiat_> i have $180AUD of domain renewals up
[10:44] <Fujitsu> I have none :P
[10:50] <ajmitch> hm
[10:50] <ajmitch> & reverse
[10:58] <Fujitsu_> ajmitch_: Where is it now?
[11:00] <ajmitch_> currently just setup on freeparking.co.nz
[11:00] <ajmitch_> since I couldn't be bothered finding a couple of stable hosts I could stick it on :)
[11:00] <ajmitch_> of course their web UI doesn't allow for AAAA records
[11:35] <giskard> new revision needs an UVF?
[11:46] <tsmithe> hi all - got "wired" with a bug on NEW
[11:46] <tsmithe> i've fixed the bug in my upload to revu
[11:46] <tsmithe> (and will get upstream to tidy it up next release)
[11:47] <tsmithe> so now, it needs uploading before a freeze exception is necessary - could anyone do that, or does it still need two acks?
[02:01] <Adri2000> can anyone ping aurora.ubuntuwire.com?
[02:02] <_ion> Yes.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: seems like it's not set up properly
[02:04] <Hobbsee> oh wait
[02:04] <Adri2000> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 56579ms < it's just "a bit" slow
[02:04] <Hobbsee> might be running a torrent on the network, or something
[02:05] <Adri2000> finally I managed to log in: adri2000@aurora:~$
[02:05] <Adri2000> cool :)
[02:13] <GNUro> 'lo!
[02:31] <giskard> imbrandon, buntudot.org is still avaible?
[02:31] <Lathiat> dreamhost
[02:31] <Lathiat> theyre having a planned power outage atm
[02:31] <Lathiat> awesome photos of the issue: http://blog.dreamhost.com/
[02:32] <giskard> i mean the webservice
[03:13] <vil> hi, I would like to ask question about Syncing with Debian
[03:14] <vil> there is one library in Debian, which I would like to get to Ubuntu. the name is libdom4j-java
[03:36] <pochu> vil: I'm not sure about this, but I think you have to file a bug in Launchpad
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:51] <gudjon> Hi Barry, are you interested in discussing Gpib?
[03:51] <bddebian> Heya gudjon, sure
[03:52] <pochu> bddebian: ntfs-3g 1.0 is in debian experimental, should I file a sync request, or an uvf exception?
[03:52] <pochu> I don't know the sync policy :)
[03:52] <bddebian> It'll have to be both probably
[03:53] <pochu> ok :)
[03:53] <pochu> 2 in 1 hehe
[03:56] <gudjon> Barry, I guess the others are not interested in Gpib discussion
[03:57] <bddebian> It's not unusual :-)
[03:57] <gudjon> how do you start a private conversation, I always forget how it is done 
[03:58] <bddebian> Hmm, no one has reviewed it yet either :-(
[04:10] <Kr4t05> Any MOTU lurking about?
[04:13] <pochu> bddebian: were you packaging wx2.8?
[04:13] <pochu> I see it :)
[04:13] <_MMA_> Hi guys. Anyone know Jeff Fortin (Kiddo)?
[04:13] <pochu> not me :)
[04:14] <pochu> bddebian: do you think we will have it for feisty?
[04:14] <bddebian> pochu: I stuck it on revu
[04:14] <pochu> bddebian: what's the next step, somebody to review it?
[04:14] <bddebian> Sounds like they don't want to go there yet
[04:15] <bddebian> I'm looking at migrating 2.4 -> 2.6 packages right now but xmule is gone and wstools is broken
[04:48] <bddebian> pochu: You know C++ and wxwidgets well? :-)
[04:49] <pochu> bddebian: neither c++ nor wx ;)
[04:49] <bddebian> Me neither :)
[04:50] <pochu> bddebian: but I know to test, so if you want I can compile/build it and test it :)
[04:50] <bddebian> No I'm trying to "fix" wstools to work with wx2.6 and my C++ is worse than my C :-(
[04:51] <pochu> to work with 2.6?
[04:51] <pochu> bddebian: why, if you are uploading 2.8?
[04:51] <bddebian> Yeah it uses 2.4 currently
[04:51] <pochu> lol
[04:51] <pochu> hhe
[04:52] <pochu> bddebian: I don't know c either :)
[04:59] <GNUro> I've got a problem, it's normal that dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa, creates the orig.tar.gz tarball and debuild -S -sa -rfakeroot need before a dpkg-source before? 
[04:59] <GNUro> (sorry for my bad english)
[04:59] <GNUro> (horrible english!)
[05:00] <bddebian> Why don't use use -rfakeroot with dpkg-buildpackage but you do with debuild?
[05:01] <GNUro> bddebian: i use -rfakeroot also with dpkg-buildpackage! 
[05:02] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[05:07] <GNUro> http://rafb.net/p/WFWPkx95.html <--- see
[05:09] <bddebian> gpg: skipped "GnuKs <hello@try.org>": secret key not available
[05:09] <bddebian> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[05:09] <GNUro> bddebian: i know.
[05:10] <bddebian> Sorry, then I am not understanding what you are asking then
[05:14] <GNUro> bddebian: i don't understand... Why doesn't "debuild -S -sa -rfakeroot" create a .orig.tar.gz? Instead, why does "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot" create the .orig.tar.gz? 
[05:16] <bddebian> Ohh, hmm it should.  Of course I don't use debuild :-)
[06:04] <bddebian> @#%#$% C++
[06:12] <nixternal> boo C
[06:14] <bddebian> boo D
[06:16] <bddebian> nixternal: You a C++ fan?
[06:16] <nixternal> I try to be ;)
[06:16] <bddebian> Good, wanna help me fix this POS then? :)
[06:17] <nixternal> what is it?
[06:18] <bddebian> I'm trying to make wstools use libwxgtk2.6 but getting some funky C++ issues
[06:18] <nixternal> ahh, I know how to fix that
[06:18] <nixternal> give it to crimsun :)
[06:18] <bddebian> pfft
[06:19] <bddebian> crimsun doesn't love me :-)
[06:21] <nixternal> haha
[07:00] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[07:01] <pochu> Toadstool: good evening ;)
[07:03] <Toadstool> pochu: oh well, good $whatever_fits_your_timezone :)
[07:04] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[07:05] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[08:01] <crimsun> vil: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6528386/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.dom4j_1.6.1%2Bdfsg-2_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz ; please just upload a -2build1
[08:07] <bddebian> crimsun: Hey, I hear you are the C++ / wxwidgets expert? :)
[08:08] <crimsun> "expert" would be a _big_ stretch, but...
[08:09] <crimsun> (btw, haven't had coffee yet, so not ready for daily Ubuntu. Give me an hour.)
[08:09] <bddebian> Gah, no worries
[08:40] <AnAnt> Fujitsu_: ping
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> I've already heard of one thing that I should change, but could some people look over http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4488 for me?  I'd especially appreciate reports of whether it builds on PPC.
[08:52] <AnAnt> does anyone know why there isn't any spice simulator (ngspice for example) neither in Debian nor Ubuntu repos ?
[08:53] <cypherbios> AnAnt: because nobody ever packaged something like that?
[08:53] <AnAnt> cypherbios: there was an ngspice in hoary
[08:54] <AnAnt> cypherbios: also I found debian package for ngspice there http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=38962&package_id=31152
[08:54] <AnAnt> oh, ok, it seems to be license issue
[09:02] <AnAnt> Hello I got a license issue
[09:02] <AnAnt> is software with BSD license not allowed to exist in Ubuntu ?
[09:03] <ajmitch> no, BSD licence is fine
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> AnAnt: I think BSD is fine...many core apps are that.  I'm no expert, but hey.
[09:03] <ajmitch> 4-clause BSD with advertising clause is still free software, but not gpl compatible :)
[09:03] <ajmitch> licensing is messy
[09:03] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I don't understand what's the problem with ngspice then
[09:04] <ajmitch> there are probably other issues with it
[09:04] <AnAnt> ajmitch: is it because it is for non-commercial use ?
[09:05] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Sorry I forgot about you, I'll take a look now
[09:05] <ajmitch> AnAnt: very likely
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: thanks
[09:05] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ok, I read that part of it is GPL & part is BSD
[09:05] <AnAnt> tonyyarusso: there was an ngspice in hoary
[09:05] <ajmitch> AnAnt: ah, that would certainly not be good, you couldn't even put that in non-free
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> AnAnt: Who was listed as the maintainer on that one?
[09:05] <AnAnt> ajmitch: ok, so that must be it
[09:06] <AnAnt> tonyyarusso: it is license issue it seems
[09:06] <ajmitch> it was removed from debian because of legal issues
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> AnAnt: Guess so - could check upstream.
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: ah, bugger.
[09:06] <AnAnt> tonyyarusso: Matt Flax
[09:09] <bddebian> crimsun: Hour up yet? :-)
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> AnAnt: Not been around for a while it seems.
[09:11] <bddebian> Monday?  It's Sunday :-)
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> Exactly.  :)
[09:11] <ajmitch> for you slow people
[09:11] <ajmitch> get with the times
[09:12] <Adri2000> it's sunday and it's holidays
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> I'm working on it, at approximately 500 miles per hour.
[09:12] <Adri2000> :)
[09:12] <AnAnt> bddebian: Hide
[09:13] <AnAnt> bdmurray: ping
[09:13] <ajmitch> AnAnt: why are you constantly pinging bdmurray? :)
[09:14] <AnAnt> ajmitch: I wanted to ask him about wether he is interested in gplcver or what
[09:14] <ajmitch> no, he's not
[09:14] <AnAnt> ajmitch: remember the sync request for gplcver ?
[09:14] <AnAnt> ajmitch: why is he subscribed to it that ?
[09:14] <ajmitch> yes, I do, and he was just doing bug triage
[09:14] <AnAnt> s/that/then
[09:14] <ajmitch> I already spoke to him about that
[09:14] <AnAnt> I do ?!
[09:14] <bddebian> AnAnt: What's up?
[09:15] <AnAnt> bddebian: the ceiling
[09:15] <AnAnt> bddebian: oh no, no package to REVU , at least not for me
[09:15] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks for acon btw
[09:15] <AnAnt> ajmitch: oh ok, got you
[09:15] <bddebian> NP
[09:45] <bddebian> holy crap tonyyarusso, how long does this sucker take to build? :)
[09:45] <ajmitch> it could be worse
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Usually like 20-30 minutes on my machine I think.
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> More than gedit, less than openoffice.
[09:45] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> Hey Hobbsee 
[09:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee! you're up insanely earlier
[09:45] <ajmitch> s/earlier/
[09:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: How's your C++? :-)
[09:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: I try & avoid it as much as humanly possible
[09:46] <bddebian> gah
[09:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed.  uni today!  :D
[09:47] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: scary!
[09:47] <Hobbsee> bddebian: what are you trying to do?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed!
[09:47] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Get wstools to build with libwxgtk2.6
[09:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: why does it need to?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ahh
[09:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: So we can drop 2.4 :-)
[09:50] <sacater> hi i was redirected by jdong, im interested in becoming a developer, I know a gentoo devel. and he says its a good life :P
[09:50] <crimsun> err
[09:50] <jdong> crimsun: please don't shoot!
[09:51] <jdong> ;-)
[09:51] <Hobbsee> er, wait...
[09:52] <crimsun> sacater: I'm not sure what you mean by "good life", but please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[09:52] <sacater> crimsun: will do
[09:53] <crimsun> sacater: it'll be best to start from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers then progress to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[09:53] <sacater> oh ok
[09:53] <sacater> i got that from viewing the hopefull page :P
[09:53] <crimsun> so, bddebian, are you living the good life?
[09:53] <bddebian> Oh yeah baby.. :)
[09:53] <crimsun> :)
[09:54] <crimsun> and I know Hobbsee is with her longpointystick
[09:54] <bddebian> It'd be even better if I had a freakin' clue :-)
[09:54] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:56] <sacater> crimsun: atm, i probably want prospective devel, but i need a current developer that I can tag along with
[09:57] <sacater> crimsum: dont suppose you know anyone with an apprentice space :P
[09:57] <crimsun> sacater: sounds like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors
[09:57] <sacater> crimsun: you know everything :P
[09:57] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: http://pastebin.us/15179
[09:58] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: thanks
[09:58] <crimsun> sacater: s/everything/more than I did yesterday/
[10:00] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Looks like only the same things I got on my end, and as noted in debian/TODO.Debian - could you give me a sense of how serious those things are?  Those issues existed in past Ubuntu releases in what was then Nvu.
[10:01] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you're sane, though
[10:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh.  when i'm doing other stuff too, i dont have the time and energy to handhold :(
[10:01] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: hehe :)
[10:02] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: what's your arch, btw?
[10:04] <bddebian> i386
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> Thought so.  Okay.
[10:04] <bddebian> Only one I have unfortunately :(
[10:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: you can use brandon's build machines
[10:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it's probably faster
[10:06] <Hobbsee> and only 12gb of ram, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[10:06] <ajmitch> :P
[10:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:06] <ajmitch> hardly
[10:10] <thelsdj> I only have 11gb of ram in my room right now, and 20ghz
[10:10] <sacater> crimsun: im going with gpocentek, if he answers jabber, he seems to be away atm, i chose him cos hes mainly int xfce like me
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> 11GB of RAM?
[10:14] <crimsun> sacater: great, you might wish to hang out in xubuntu{,-devel}
[10:14] <sacater> crimsun: maybe
[10:14] <sacater> crimsun: i am already in there
[10:15] <crimsun> ok
[10:16] <crimsun> git checkout -b hda-realtek
[10:16] <crimsun> bah, sorry
[10:16] <Adri2000> :)
[10:20] <sacater> crimsun: do you know gpocentek?
[10:23] <crimsun> sacater: yes, Gauvain is one of the lead Xubuntu developers and is also a member of the MOTU Council
[10:24] <mr_pouit> How many ACKs are needed for an UVF exception ?
[10:24] <sacater> crimsun: i take it he is 'offline' for you as well 'unavailabel
[10:24] <sacater> unavailable*
[10:24] <crimsun> sacater: idle     : 0 days 3 hours 18 mins 54 secs
[10:25] <sacater> k
[10:25] <crimsun> sacater: so, likely away from his irc client, yes.
[10:25] <sacater> would explain why he is still idle in jabber too
[10:25] <mr_pouit> he's sleeping, I think ;)
[10:26] <jdong> mr_pouit: 2 or 3?
[10:28] <mr_pouit> jdong, ok, I'll wait ^^
[10:30] <Hobbsee> mr_pouit: 2
[10:30] <mr_pouit> Hobbsee, ok thanks
[10:30] <crimsun> (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-February/001256.html )
[10:35] <mr_pouit> thanks for the link (I think I have this mail in my mailbox too ^^" )
[10:38] <ajmitch> tonyyarusso: why, is it working perfectly now?
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: It builds and runs and uninstalls fine on my machine (x86).  There are some lintian/linda things, but seem undesirable while non-critical, and are noted in debian/TODO.Debian.  I have gotten it to build (but haven't tried to install or run) on amd64.  I am not sure whether it will successfully build on PPC yet.
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> So, I need run confirmation on amd64, and build + run on PPC, and further notes on my pkging are welcome if there are any left.
[10:41] <ajmitch> +	if test -d /usr/lib/kompozer-0.7.7 ; then
[10:41] <ajmitch> +		rm -rf /usr/lib/0.7.7
[10:41] <ajmitch> +	fi
[10:41] <ajmitch> that worries me
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: Elaborate please?  (that was there before me, so enlightenment on the subject is good)
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> That is kinda sketchy isn't it?
[10:42] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[10:42] <ajmitch> testing for one directory & blowing away another
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> ajmitch: Does it do that just in the build or on the target machine?
[10:44] <ajmitch> on the target machine, in the postinst
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> gaaah
[10:44] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> I wonder what that's even there for?  Possibly some stupid previous version thing - I'll bet it can just be nuked in all likelihood.
[10:46] <ajmitch> most likely
[10:46] <tonyyarusso> noted.
[10:52] <Adri2000> Q-FUNK: hi
[10:53] <Adri2000> Q-FUNK: please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive but rather ubuntu-universe-sponsors for your sync requests
[10:59] <LaserJock> hi people
[10:59] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: hiya
[11:02] <ajmitch> hi person
[11:05] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:08] <Q-FUNK> Adri2000: since when has the procedure changed?
[11:09] <Adri2000> Q-FUNK: you are not a MOTU afaik?
[11:09] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: which procedure?
[11:10] <Q-FUNK> I'm in group MOTU on launchpad, so I would guess that yes
[11:11] <Adri2000> I see you in ubuntu-universe-contributors, debian collaboration team and finnish translators
[11:11] <Adri2000> that's all
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> sync requests imply subscribing ubuntu-archive.  it's even in pitti's syncrequest script
[11:12] <Adri2000> that's only for official developers
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> that one is news to me
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> I've always doen my sync requests that way, as previously instructed.
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> the only thing I was told not to do is to confirm my own reuqests, for as long as I'm not a developer.
[11:14] <Adri2000> Q-FUNK: you can subscribe ubuntu-archive if you want, they will reject your request
[11:14] <Q-FUNK> Adri2000: they never have.
[11:15] <Adri2000> example (bug #)?
[11:15] <Q-FUNK> besides, sponsoring is for direct uploads. syc requests are handled differently.
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> the only request I've ever seen rejected was for a package to be released as an update, instead of a backport.  I had followed the procedure for a backport, but everyone felt that it would be better as an update.
[11:16] <jdong> Q-FUNK: you need a developer ACK in addition to filing a sync request
[11:16] <jdong> you can feel free to file it
[11:16] <jdong> but a real dev has to ACK (confirm, etc) it first
[11:16] <jdong> before -archive acts
[11:16] <jdong> and you're supposed to have it confirmed before subscribing -archive too :)
[11:17] <Adri2000> it has been like that for all my sync requested as a motu hopeful, and for all the sync requests I have acked since I'm a motu...
[11:18] <Q-FUNK> I should probably show up to a community meeting one of these days and get around applying for my dev status.
[11:18] <Q-FUNK> just that in recent times, schedules haven't matched
[11:18] <Q-FUNK> I've been meaning to do that since 2005
[11:19] <Q-FUNK> I was on the meeting agenda already back then, but then something always came up.  at one point, mako simply removed me from the agenda, rather than push it to the next meeting.
[11:20] <ajmitch> the procedure has changed
[11:20] <geser> Q-FUNK: since MOTU Council is now set up, here is the current process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment
[11:20] <ajmitch> (for new developers)
[11:20] <Q-FUNK> again?
[11:20] <Q-FUNK> ok
[11:20] <ajmitch> what do you mean, again?
[11:20] <Q-FUNK> changed
[11:20] <ajmitch> it's always been tech board approval up until now
[11:21] <ajmitch> even from back when I started
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> ah. simpler process. excellent.
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> erm... anybody wling to write that e-mail to the list? :)
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> erm.... backwards
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> well, I've nevr had any sponsors, since the only thing I've ever had are syncs from Debian.
[11:22] <Q-FUNK> no direct uploads so far
[11:23] <ajmitch> that should probably change if you want MOTU status
[11:24] <Q-FUNK> I don't see how.  I always upload straight into Debian.  I just merge changes from pretty much every derivatives and respond to bugs against my packages on Launchpad.
[11:25] <ajmitch> ah right
[11:25] <Adri2000> MOTUs take care of *all* the packages in universe/multiverse, not only their own packages
[11:25] <Q-FUNK> I know
[11:25] <Q-FUNK> much more fun than Debian for that
[11:26] <ajmitch> Adri2000: but a DD should go through a fairly decent NM process to evaluate their skills
[11:26] <ajmitch> not that everyone gets that, but I'd trust most DDs to upload to ubuntu
[11:26] <ajmitch> something we should raise at a meeting, what criteria people should be held to for motu
[11:26] <LaserJock> sure, as far a packaging ability I'd trust a DD
[11:27] <LaserJock> but, IMO, there is more to a MOTU than packaging ability
[11:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: even me? :)
[11:27] <Q-FUNK> I wouldn't trust those who became DDs prior to the inception of the NM process to upload anywhere. I've seen WAY too many crappy packages from those.
[11:27] <LaserJock> yes, even you ;-)
[11:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: of course, and we talked about that at UDS
[11:27] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: oh, we've seen *lots* of crappy packages ;)
[11:28] <LaserJock> yep
[11:28] <LaserJock> I've seen some crappy Ubuntu packages to
[11:28] <jdong> so is there a sinking feeling when a 6hr kernel build fails?
[11:28] <LaserJock> 6hr for a kernel?
[11:28] <Q-FUNK> but basically, the possibility to improve packages I don't prsonally maitain is a big plus with MOTU, compared to Debian
[11:28] <jdong> LaserJock: it'd look like Ubuntu kernels take that long in total
[11:29] <LaserJock> yikes
[11:29] <jdong> LaserJock: given the # of arches and all that fun stuff :)
[11:29] <jdong> and the # of flavors per arch
[11:29] <Q-FUNK> is the motu-council list still WIP?
[11:29] <LaserJock> ah
[11:29] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: yes, waiting on the sysadmins to create the lsit
[11:29] <ajmitch> s/lsit/list/
[11:29] <jdong> 20-9.15 just FTBFS'ed and it did take around 5 hours....
[11:29] <jdong> :)
[11:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh yes, I've had to talk to some MOTUs who've uploaded completely broken packages :)
[11:30] <LaserJock> hmm, I was thinking of one I did (left the stupid patch stamp in the .orig.tar.gz)
[11:31] <Toadstool> I've seen crappy packages uploaded by core-devs too :)
[11:32] <LaserJock> yes
[11:32] <LaserJock> I've been working on SRUs for a few of those
[11:33] <LaserJock> one was a uninstallable -updates package
[11:33] <LaserJock> gotta remember to test install *before* uploading ;-)
[11:33] <Toadstool> heh
[11:33] <LaserJock> but it happens
[11:34] <LaserJock> we just need to put things in place so that kind of stuff is minimized
[11:34] <Adri2000> uninstallable package in -updates?
[11:34] <LaserJock> yep
[11:34] <Adri2000> that was when anyone could upload anything in -updates? :)
[11:35] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:35] <LaserJock> which was a good thing actually
[11:35] <LaserJock> since I could upload the fix easily
[11:37] <slomo> giskard: still the same bug with telepathy-sharp
[11:39] <tsmithe> could a couple of MOTUs ack my latest wired upload (bugfix) so it can be (re)uploaded to NEW?
[11:44] <Adri2000> tsmithe: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=4434&upid2=4496 that's the diff?
[11:45] <tsmithe> yep
[11:45] <tsmithe> oh hang on
[11:45] <Adri2000> tsmithe: to need to bump the version if it's not in the archive
[11:45] <tsmithe> i'll need to remove a couple of lines from README.Debian
[11:46] <tsmithe> Adri2000, cjwatson said to bump the version
[11:46] <Adri2000> ah
[11:46] <tsmithe> :)
[11:46] <Adri2000> ok, if cjwatson said... :)
[11:46] <tsmithe> i'm just uploading a version with a modified README.Debian
[11:49] <tsmithe> Adri2000, should i create a whole new changelog entry?
[11:50] <Adri2000> I'd say yes... it doesn't make sense to have a new package starting at -0ubuntu2
[11:52] <tsmithe> Adri2000, ok i'll do that
[11:59] <tsmithe> do i really need two acks for that?
[12:00] <tsmithe> final version uploaded: upid 4503
[12:05] <Adri2000> tsmithe: no you don't need 2 acks
[12:06] <Adri2000> tsmithe: I will upload
[12:06] <tsmithe> great, thanks