crimsun | no. | 12:30 |
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crimsun | totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages | 12:30 |
crimsun | totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources | 12:30 |
asac | interesting | 12:32 |
asac | in edgy we have 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 | 12:33 |
asac | ahh | 12:33 |
asac | i see the difference | 12:33 |
asac | however ... tilde is still not right imo ... use ubuntu1.mt1 | 12:33 |
asac | or something alike :) | 12:33 |
asac | crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7410/ | 12:35 |
asac | thats the changelog of johns release ... there exist .17.91-0ubuntu3 | 12:36 |
asac | but where is it? | 12:36 |
crimsun | It's only there for the time being. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem | 12:43 |
crimsun | e.g., I see it on se.archive [http://ftp.acc.umu.se/ubuntu/pool/main/t/totem/ ] | 12:43 |
asac | yeah ... didnt see the difference in upstream version | 12:49 |
asac | its weekend :) | 12:50 |
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gnomefreak | anyone here? got a quick question | 02:40 |
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crimsun | gnomefreak: pong? | 06:25 |
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asac | anyone is emacs wizard here? | 02:05 |
asac | no .. wizard not needed ... needs to know something | 02:05 |
asac | :) | 02:05 |
AlexLatchford | grr silly recursion | 02:17 |
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Mimz | hello | 03:56 |
asac | hi | 04:04 |
Mimz | hi , did any one face a problem after installing the latest firefox update? | 04:20 |
AlexLatchford | which one? | 04:22 |
AlexLatchford | for Feisty? | 04:22 |
Mimz | it was a security update | 04:32 |
asac | Mimz: which version do you run? | 04:39 |
Mimz | firefox 2 | 04:43 |
asac | haha | 04:47 |
asac | no i mean the minor version | 04:47 |
asac | look about->firefox :) | 04:48 |
asac | 2.0.0.1 or 2.0.0.2 ? | 04:48 |
asac | or really 2.0 ? | 04:48 |
asac | its Help -> About Firefox | 04:48 |
Mimz | yea its 2.0.0.2 | 04:52 |
Mimz | i thought the Q was 1.5 or 2 | 04:52 |
asac | then you have installed mozilla.org version ... not ubuntu package | 04:52 |
asac | :) | 04:52 |
asac | thats not supported ;) ... at least not by us | 04:52 |
asac | Mimz: anyway, what problems do you see? | 04:54 |
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Mimz | i thought so, but I couldn't find the mozilla room on this serve :p | 04:55 |
asac | #firefox on irc.mozilla.org | 04:55 |
Mimz | the problem is that no page can be loaded, page could not be lloaded | 04:56 |
gnomefre1k | Whats this crap you cant run a 64bit chroot on a 32bit proc :( | 05:02 |
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asac | gnomefreak: what a coincident | 05:15 |
asac | try qemu | 05:15 |
asac | ah ... remember your mem | 05:16 |
asac | actually its bad that you cannot build a i386 build in x86_64 chroot | 05:17 |
asac | i couldn't build firefox :/ | 05:17 |
asac | it somehow detected that this is x86_64 ... which was wrong ... though I hacked uname | 05:17 |
gnomefreak | you cant run a32bit chroot in 64bit either? | 05:19 |
asac | yeah ... i still think uname was broken | 05:21 |
asac | uname -m yields | 05:21 |
asac | x86_64 | 05:21 |
gnomefreak | it may just be me but qemu seems like alot of work to test 64bit or ppc | 05:21 |
asac | which makes mozilla build system try to build some 64bit specific code, which fails | 05:21 |
gnomefreak | ah | 05:21 |
asac | actually half bad on mozilla side | 05:22 |
asac | at lesat half ... i think they use the wrong hint to detect system | 05:22 |
asac | should look at libc | 05:22 |
asac | or something | 05:22 |
asac | now letst see replaced uname in /bin/ instead of setting an alias to the fake version | 05:23 |
gnomefreak | who else besides you has 64bit env. on the team that we know of? | 05:23 |
asac | dunno | 05:23 |
asac | no flash for me :) | 05:23 |
asac | but gnash ;) | 05:23 |
gnomefreak | there are flash packages but they are crap :( | 05:24 |
gnomefreak | libswflash or whatever its called | 05:24 |
asac | there are? | 05:24 |
gnomefreak | yeah | 05:24 |
asac | ah | 05:24 |
asac | yeah ... but not proprietary | 05:24 |
asac | but who cares | 05:24 |
gnomefreak | they are crap (maybe as bad as gnash) | 05:24 |
asac | when i get to a side where I can do nothing because of flash, i write an email (if i have time) and don't use it | 05:24 |
asac | s/side/site/ | 05:25 |
gnomefreak | wel i assigne dyuo to a few retraces for 64bit. and we have a ppc retrace needed :( | 05:25 |
asac | yeah ... will try to setup qemu | 05:25 |
asac | for ppc | 05:25 |
asac | maybe slow ... buf for retracing it should work | 05:25 |
asac | are there feisty isos? | 05:26 |
gnomefreak | i have 256mb ram i would think i can run qemu just slow as crap | 05:26 |
asac | so i can install ppc qemu from those? | 05:26 |
asac | yeah ... its too much for you | 05:26 |
gnomefreak | asac: yes i think we still support ppc | 05:26 |
gnomefreak | !daily | 05:26 |
asac | ah ... its an edgy report? | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | damn bots not here | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | asac: yep | 05:27 |
asac | i think i can find the iso then | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | i have link in 2 secs | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ | 05:27 |
gnomefreak | yep still ppc | 05:27 |
asac | has alternate install console installer? | 05:28 |
asac | i don't want to bother with graphics now :) | 05:28 |
asac | great ... looks like x86 build works now in chroot | 05:29 |
gnomefreak | yep looks like they all are | 05:29 |
asac | replacing /bin/uname helps | 05:29 |
gnomefreak | replacing it with? | 05:29 |
asac | with my script :) | 05:29 |
asac | #!/bin/sh | 05:29 |
asac | res=$(/bin/uname_orig $@) | 05:29 |
asac | echo $res | sed -e 's/x86_64/i686/g' | 05:30 |
asac | and cp /bin/uname /bin/uname_orig in advance | 05:30 |
asac | sed is overkill of course :) | 05:30 |
gnomefreak | thats it? and i can change it for 686>64 | 05:30 |
asac | you can't do that | 05:31 |
asac | on 32bit | 05:31 |
asac | for me its enough to work around firefox build system bug | 05:31 |
gnomefreak | oh there is no way :( | 05:31 |
asac | no ... amd procs are compatible with 32bit | 05:31 |
asac | so yes ... otherway around ... no way ever | 05:32 |
asac | don't know if new duo core intel 64bit are compatible to amd64 ... but i think so | 05:32 |
gnomefreak | well im getting laptop but its too old to be 64bit im sure and its even worst off on mem than this pc i think | 05:32 |
asac | hmm | 05:32 |
asac | amd64 is around for quite some time | 05:32 |
asac | we are already at dual cores | 05:33 |
asac | now | 05:33 |
gnomefreak | its ibm thinkpad from year 2000 | 05:33 |
asac | ... probably too old :) | 05:33 |
gnomefreak | i wont know until i get there anything else about it but it gives me something to throw windows on atleast | 05:33 |
asac | do you have banks free? | 05:33 |
asac | i mean memory slots on your board | 05:34 |
gnomefreak | on this one yes | 05:34 |
gnomefreak | but its some fucked up mem that goes in this | 05:34 |
asac | what is your current setup? Just one 256mb unit? | 05:34 |
asac | what kind of mem? | 05:34 |
asac | DDR-266 ? | 05:35 |
asac | or even 133 ;) | 05:35 |
gnomefreak | i would have to look but iirc it rddr or something like that | 05:35 |
gnomefreak | i have 133 and 100 in my p2 | 05:35 |
asac | yeah ... but there exist p4 with SDRAM-133 too | 05:35 |
gnomefreak | no | 05:36 |
asac | definitly ;) | 05:36 |
asac | my parents got one :) | 05:36 |
gnomefreak | you have to replace 2 at a time and its hjigh dollor | 05:36 |
gnomefreak | high* | 05:36 |
asac | two at a time? even with 133 you could replace just one ... or add just one | 05:37 |
asac | sounds bad | 05:37 |
gnomefreak | PC600/800 RDRAM | 05:37 |
asac | where did you get such a system from? | 05:38 |
asac | sounds pretty rare | 05:38 |
asac | if rdram is rambus | 05:38 |
gnomefreak | its $170.00 for 512mb | 05:39 |
asac | maybe switching mainboard would be more efficient | 05:39 |
asac | don't know about current component prices, but mb: $50 ... 1gb mem $100 should be doable? | 05:40 |
asac | or what are current prices for plain ddr mem | 05:40 |
asac | man ... why does ubuntu not provide a net install cd ... only those 700m thingies | 05:42 |
gnomefreak | they do | 05:43 |
gnomefreak | lol | 05:43 |
asac | where? | 05:43 |
gnomefreak | Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues | 05:43 |
gnomefreak | from the bot | 05:43 |
asac | yeah ... but download almost done now ... so don't bother :) | 05:43 |
gnomefreak | i was thinking of ask seveas about bringing ubotu in here | 05:44 |
gnomefreak | almost done? its been 8hrs already :( | 05:44 |
asac | so far 18 minutes | 05:45 |
asac | 3 min left | 05:45 |
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gnomefreak | omg thats fast | 05:45 |
asac | 600 K | 05:45 |
asac | 84% [======================================> ] 621,445,352 573.11K/s ETA 03:01 | 05:45 |
gnomefreak | damn | 05:45 |
asac | yes ... sometimes its fun | 05:46 |
asac | but in fact i couldn't life with it | 05:46 |
asac | i have so many chroots to keep up to date | 05:46 |
asac | s/with/without/ ... of course | 05:46 |
asac | but when i hear that some swedish and french fellows get 100mbit/static-IP for 40-50 EUR a month ... i still see potential :) | 05:49 |
gnomefreak | lol | 05:50 |
gnomefreak | for me to get that its about $50.oo USD | 05:50 |
gnomefreak | or more | 05:50 |
asac | so its even cheaper for you ... | 05:51 |
asac | 50 EUR are about $70 | 05:51 |
asac | i guess | 05:51 |
gnomefreak | i would have to check to be sure | 05:51 |
gnomefreak | these retraces arnt gonna work im seeing | 05:51 |
asac | oh no ... now i remember the pain | 05:52 |
asac | of qemu | 05:52 |
asac | i have to setup bridged network to make things easy | 05:52 |
gnomefreak | oh yuck | 05:52 |
asac | yeah ... have to boot my old computer ... it should have something | 05:52 |
gnomefreak | use vmware than :) | 05:52 |
asac | pah | 05:52 |
asac | that doesn't work without manually tweaking network of host either afaik | 05:53 |
gnomefreak | oh | 05:53 |
asac | at least i would be scared if it hacked my network config files | 05:53 |
gnomefreak | true | 05:53 |
asac | ok ... which mother board has a decent intel gpu | 05:54 |
gnomefreak | not sure :( | 05:54 |
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AlexLatchford | Anyone know what the default Ubuntu Sans Font is? | 06:08 |
AlexLatchford | I'm creating a document that should be viewable cross platform in a similar view | 06:09 |
gnomefreak | no me | 06:14 |
gnomefreak | not* | 06:14 |
asac | i even don't know if there is a thing like a unique default sans fonts across all applications | 06:15 |
AlexLatchford | well I thought there was a method in OOo to set it to the default sans font | 06:18 |
AlexLatchford | then when it goes to OOo in widnows it will pick up the default sans font there | 06:19 |
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gnomefreak | anyone know where i can find debs for mozilla-thunderbird=1.5.0.8-0ubuntu0.6.10 | 06:23 |
asac | AlexLatchford: what sans do you see in ooo ? | 06:23 |
AlexLatchford | I dont, I dont think | 06:23 |
AlexLatchford | there should be one though | 06:24 |
asac | maybe just type sans :) | 06:24 |
asac | then you will probably get the default font ;) | 06:24 |
AlexLatchford | meh | 06:24 |
asac | you can type arial ... and will get some mapping too | 06:24 |
AlexLatchford | if you go to System->Prefs->Fonts its Sans there | 06:24 |
asac | yeah ... try type Sans in ooo font field | 06:25 |
asac | doesn't that work? | 06:25 |
gnomefreak | anyone planning to do bugs this week? | 06:32 |
AlexLatchford | not really, working on OpenDocument project | 06:32 |
asac | part time ... updating firefox is prio 1 | 07:04 |
asac | prio 2 is submitting initial patches upstream | 07:05 |
gnomefreak | k | 07:05 |
asac | damn ... qemu ppc installer doesn't boot :( | 07:09 |
asac | will try debians later on | 07:09 |
asac | great ... debian sarge installer appears to work :) | 07:28 |
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asac | great | 07:29 |
asac | cu | 07:29 |
asac | relax :) | 07:29 |
gnomefreak | whats the chances of a laptop having reg(desktop) mem chips in it example pc133 and same proc as a desktop? | 08:59 |
gnomefreak | tb 1.5.0.10 still not released :( | 09:07 |
asac | laptop same ship as desktop | 09:23 |
asac | hardly ever | 09:23 |
asac | in a week | 09:23 |
asac | tbird release | 09:23 |
asac | has been pushed back | 09:23 |
gnomefreak | ack | 09:24 |
gnomefreak | my sites down :( | 09:24 |
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asac | oh | 11:33 |
asac | no crashes left :) ? | 11:33 |
gnomefreak | ive been grabbing them as they come in | 11:34 |
gnomefreak | its cheating i know ;) | 11:34 |
asac | yeah there are some :) | 11:34 |
asac | not bad 423 reports on search for crash | 11:35 |
gnomefreak | oh i know thats alot of trappling through bugs for a sunday | 11:35 |
asac | [apport] firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() | 11:35 |
asac | why do we have so many reports with that summary | 11:35 |
asac | is that generated by apport | 11:35 |
asac | ? | 11:35 |
gnomefreak | yes | 11:35 |
gnomefreak | apport gives it a generic name | 11:35 |
gnomefreak | thats only for feisty though | 11:36 |
gnomefreak | mt-confirm and mt-summary need to be worked on if anyone knows how to read stacktraces. assuming asac is busy as i know he is | 11:37 |
gnomefreak | :) | 11:37 |
asac | https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=mt-confirm | 11:37 |
gnomefreak | asac: btw i approved tony (hes the one that built kompozer for ubuntu but not sure if it will make it into feisty | 11:37 |
asac | all crashes there that don't have a valid stack element need one | 11:37 |
asac | aka mt-needsummary :) | 11:37 |
gnomefreak | ill look through them when im done with these 2 if its still early enough | 11:38 |
gnomefreak | oh shit i cant | 11:38 |
asac | for now taking the first mozilla code functino would be ok | 11:38 |
gnomefreak | im waiting to be approved for beta testing | 11:38 |
asac | http://librarian.launchpad.net/6525103/Stacktrace | 11:38 |
asac | oh | 11:38 |
asac | you can replace beta by www | 11:38 |
asac | i guess | 11:39 |
asac | sorry for posting this link | 11:39 |
gnomefreak | ah | 11:39 |
asac | in that stacktrace | 11:39 |
gnomefreak | thats a good stack | 11:39 |
asac | use "firefox crash [@gtk_style_realize] | 11:39 |
asac | as title | 11:39 |
gnomefreak | it looks like gtk bug | 11:39 |
asac | nsProfileLock::FatalSignalHandler is not worth noting | 11:39 |
asac | yeah ... actually take the first valid stack element after FatalSignalHandler | 11:40 |
asac | no its not | 11:40 |
asac | it crashes in gtk | 11:40 |
asac | but we are probably the ones that pass corrupted data | 11:40 |
gnomefreak | thats what i meant | 11:40 |
gnomefreak | we have a bunch of those | 11:40 |
asac | sure | 11:40 |
gnomefreak | bunch== maybe 100 or so | 11:40 |
asac | thats why i need a [@gtk_style_realize] in summary | 11:40 |
asac | then i will take a look what variants exist | 11:40 |
asac | and see what stack elements might be significant | 11:41 |
gnomefreak | k | 11:41 |
asac | all that are the same, are duplicates | 11:41 |
asac | we should open a "hot issues" page in wiki | 11:41 |
asac | with stacks of most posted crasherse | 11:41 |
asac | and maybe give master bug a alias name | 11:41 |
gnomefreak | should i just change summary and leave not marked as dupe? | 11:41 |
gnomefreak | +1 that idea | 11:41 |
asac | if you have exact stacktrace match | 11:41 |
asac | than you can mark as duplicate | 11:42 |
asac | take the one with the better information as master bug | 11:42 |
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asac | but lets not give it a name for now. Still unsure if that is acutally what we want | 11:42 |
asac | sure | 11:42 |
asac | we have a gtk_style_realize master | 11:42 |
asac | but please look if trace is really the same | 11:42 |
asac | i remember at least two distinct issues that end up in that function | 11:43 |
asac | might be different, but related problems | 11:43 |
gnomefreak | yeah i saw hjmf comment about that on a bug | 11:43 |
gnomefreak | for now i will mark them as [@gtk_style_realize] take mt-summary and leave mt-confirm | 11:44 |
gnomefreak | that way we know it needs to be read for dupe | 11:44 |
asac | yes fine | 11:45 |
asac | will do so sometime next week ... at least a good bunch | 11:45 |
gnomefreak | ok if you happen to have pull for the beta LP team get them to appove me ;) | 11:46 |
asac | actually as we get that many reports it should be so hard to reproduce | 11:46 |
asac | hehe ... maybe i come around some ;) | 11:46 |
asac | don't know the policy though | 11:46 |
gnomefreak | ah | 11:47 |
gnomefreak | something is wrong here | 11:47 |
asac | where? | 11:47 |
gnomefreak | apport | 11:47 |
asac | why? | 11:47 |
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gnomefreak | its not doing anything will try again | 11:48 |
asac | what is kompozer? | 11:48 |
asac | (on tony) | 11:48 |
gnomefreak | its NVU but under new name mozilla related product | 11:49 |
asac | ah ok ... who has taken over nvu development? | 11:49 |
asac | hasn't mozilla dropped it? | 11:49 |
gnomefreak | nvu stopped maintaining NVU and some of the devels took over making kompozer iirc | 11:49 |
asac | or was it never maintained by them? | 11:49 |
gnomefreak | yes mozilla dropped it for kompozer | 11:49 |
asac | yeah ... nice ... will he appear on irc too? | 11:50 |
gnomefreak | nvu might have been mozilla i dont remember | 11:50 |
gnomefreak | hes all over irc | 11:50 |
asac | who? | 11:50 |
gnomefreak | he was having issue building it the other day | 11:50 |
gnomefreak | tonyyarusso | 11:50 |
asac | not in this channel :) | 11:51 |
gnomefreak | he was. he asked last night about his issue but you werent here he finally figured it out | 11:51 |
asac | :) | 11:52 |
asac | ok | 11:52 |
gnomefreak | gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/bug87859$ apport-retrace -s -v -d 87859 2>&1 | tee retrace.log isnt working :( | 11:55 |
gnomefreak | its just sitting there :( | 11:56 |
gnomefreak | maybe i used my apport quota :( | 12:01 |
asac | yeah probably for today | 12:02 |
asac | maybe network problems downloading report= | 12:02 |
asac | ? | 12:02 |
gnomefreak | its nto giving any feedback im gonna give it 10 minutes on this try if it doesnt do anything i will finish the other one i have nad reboot | 12:03 |
gnomefreak | s/nad/and | 12:03 |
asac | hmm | 12:04 |
asac | others work? | 12:04 |
gnomefreak | they did. i cant run 2 at once but will be trying soon | 12:05 |
asac | bad news is, that I couldn't get ubuntu ppc installed on qemu. debian installer at least started but failed on hardware discovery | 12:05 |
gnomefreak | oh crap | 12:06 |
gnomefreak | how do we build for ppc now? | 12:06 |
asac | i don't | 12:06 |
asac | have no ppc hardware | 12:06 |
asac | and don't want such :) | 12:06 |
gnomefreak | btw tonyyarusso was looking for someone to do a ppc build on kompozer too :( | 12:07 |
asac | i think i can build on some devel machines | 12:07 |
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gnomefreak | with a local crash report apport works fine. when its done ill test on another report | 12:09 |
asac | yes there is a machine I could misuse | 12:11 |
asac | will have to figure out ;) | 12:11 |
asac | guess it has no real net access | 12:11 |
asac | so not much use for retraces | 12:11 |
asac | hmm ... no apport installed on it | 12:13 |
asac | added to TODO list | 12:13 |
gnomefreak | ive had get a cheap ppc on my to do list for 4 years | 12:14 |
gnomefreak | its still top on it | 12:14 |
asac | hehe | 12:15 |
asac | what for? | 12:15 |
asac | i can do retrace ... or we wait for someone with powerpc joining the team | 12:15 |
asac | who of us is active in forums? | 12:15 |
gnomefreak | maybe alex ot freddy | 12:16 |
gnomefreak | or | 12:16 |
=== gnomefreak not really but i do have people i deal with daily that are mods on forums or use them alot | ||
gnomefreak | hmmm it seems apport isnt working on feisty crashes at all. brb gonna try reboot | 12:18 |
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