[12:30] no. [12:30] totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages [12:30] totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources [12:32] interesting [12:33] in edgy we have 2.16.2-0ubuntu3 [12:33] ahh [12:33] i see the difference [12:33] however ... tilde is still not right imo ... use ubuntu1.mt1 [12:33] or something alike :) [12:35] crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7410/ [12:36] thats the changelog of johns release ... there exist .17.91-0ubuntu3 [12:36] but where is it? [12:43] It's only there for the time being. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem [12:43] e.g., I see it on se.archive [http://ftp.acc.umu.se/ubuntu/pool/main/t/totem/ ] [12:49] yeah ... didnt see the difference in upstream version [12:50] its weekend :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:40] anyone here? got a quick question === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:25] gnomefreak: pong? === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-144-142-225.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [02:05] anyone is emacs wizard here? [02:05] no .. wizard not needed ... needs to know something [02:05] :) [02:17] grr silly recursion === Mimz [n=ayoomah@auh-as37728.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [03:56] hello [04:04] hi [04:20] hi , did any one face a problem after installing the latest firefox update? [04:22] which one? [04:22] for Feisty? [04:32] it was a security update [04:39] Mimz: which version do you run? [04:43] firefox 2 [04:47] haha [04:47] no i mean the minor version [04:48] look about->firefox :) [04:48] 2.0.0.1 or 2.0.0.2 ? [04:48] or really 2.0 ? [04:48] its Help -> About Firefox [04:52] yea its 2.0.0.2 [04:52] i thought the Q was 1.5 or 2 [04:52] then you have installed mozilla.org version ... not ubuntu package [04:52] :) [04:52] thats not supported ;) ... at least not by us [04:54] Mimz: anyway, what problems do you see? === asac bbiw (5 minutes) [04:55] i thought so, but I couldn't find the mozilla room on this serve :p [04:55] #firefox on irc.mozilla.org [04:56] the problem is that no page can be loaded, page could not be lloaded [05:02] Whats this crap you cant run a 64bit chroot on a 32bit proc :( === Mimz [n=ayoomah@auh-as37728.alshamil.net.ae] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] [05:15] gnomefreak: what a coincident [05:15] try qemu [05:16] ah ... remember your mem [05:17] actually its bad that you cannot build a i386 build in x86_64 chroot [05:17] i couldn't build firefox :/ [05:17] it somehow detected that this is x86_64 ... which was wrong ... though I hacked uname [05:19] you cant run a32bit chroot in 64bit either? [05:21] yeah ... i still think uname was broken [05:21] uname -m yields [05:21] x86_64 [05:21] it may just be me but qemu seems like alot of work to test 64bit or ppc [05:21] which makes mozilla build system try to build some 64bit specific code, which fails [05:21] ah [05:22] actually half bad on mozilla side [05:22] at lesat half ... i think they use the wrong hint to detect system [05:22] should look at libc [05:22] or something [05:23] now letst see replaced uname in /bin/ instead of setting an alias to the fake version [05:23] who else besides you has 64bit env. on the team that we know of? [05:23] dunno [05:23] no flash for me :) [05:23] but gnash ;) [05:24] there are flash packages but they are crap :( [05:24] libswflash or whatever its called [05:24] there are? [05:24] yeah [05:24] ah [05:24] yeah ... but not proprietary [05:24] but who cares [05:24] they are crap (maybe as bad as gnash) [05:24] when i get to a side where I can do nothing because of flash, i write an email (if i have time) and don't use it [05:25] s/side/site/ [05:25] wel i assigne dyuo to a few retraces for 64bit. and we have a ppc retrace needed :( [05:25] yeah ... will try to setup qemu [05:25] for ppc [05:25] maybe slow ... buf for retracing it should work [05:26] are there feisty isos? [05:26] i have 256mb ram i would think i can run qemu just slow as crap [05:26] so i can install ppc qemu from those? [05:26] yeah ... its too much for you [05:26] asac: yes i think we still support ppc [05:26] !daily [05:27] ah ... its an edgy report? [05:27] damn bots not here [05:27] asac: yep [05:27] i think i can find the iso then [05:27] i have link in 2 secs [05:27] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [05:27] yep still ppc [05:28] has alternate install console installer? [05:28] i don't want to bother with graphics now :) [05:29] great ... looks like x86 build works now in chroot [05:29] yep looks like they all are [05:29] replacing /bin/uname helps [05:29] replacing it with? [05:29] with my script :) [05:29] #!/bin/sh [05:29] res=$(/bin/uname_orig $@) [05:30] echo $res | sed -e 's/x86_64/i686/g' [05:30] and cp /bin/uname /bin/uname_orig in advance [05:30] sed is overkill of course :) [05:30] thats it? and i can change it for 686>64 [05:31] you can't do that [05:31] on 32bit [05:31] for me its enough to work around firefox build system bug [05:31] oh there is no way :( [05:31] no ... amd procs are compatible with 32bit [05:32] so yes ... otherway around ... no way ever [05:32] don't know if new duo core intel 64bit are compatible to amd64 ... but i think so [05:32] well im getting laptop but its too old to be 64bit im sure and its even worst off on mem than this pc i think [05:32] hmm [05:32] amd64 is around for quite some time [05:33] we are already at dual cores [05:33] now [05:33] its ibm thinkpad from year 2000 [05:33] ... probably too old :) [05:33] i wont know until i get there anything else about it but it gives me something to throw windows on atleast [05:33] do you have banks free? [05:34] i mean memory slots on your board [05:34] on this one yes [05:34] but its some fucked up mem that goes in this [05:34] what is your current setup? Just one 256mb unit? [05:34] what kind of mem? [05:35] DDR-266 ? [05:35] or even 133 ;) [05:35] i would have to look but iirc it rddr or something like that [05:35] i have 133 and 100 in my p2 [05:35] yeah ... but there exist p4 with SDRAM-133 too [05:36] no [05:36] definitly ;) [05:36] my parents got one :) [05:36] you have to replace 2 at a time and its hjigh dollor [05:36] high* [05:37] two at a time? even with 133 you could replace just one ... or add just one [05:37] sounds bad [05:37] PC600/800 RDRAM [05:38] where did you get such a system from? [05:38] sounds pretty rare [05:38] if rdram is rambus [05:39] its $170.00 for 512mb [05:39] maybe switching mainboard would be more efficient [05:40] don't know about current component prices, but mb: $50 ... 1gb mem $100 should be doable? [05:40] or what are current prices for plain ddr mem [05:42] man ... why does ubuntu not provide a net install cd ... only those 700m thingies [05:43] they do [05:43] lol [05:43] where? [05:43] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues [05:43] from the bot [05:43] yeah ... but download almost done now ... so don't bother :) [05:44] i was thinking of ask seveas about bringing ubotu in here [05:44] almost done? its been 8hrs already :( [05:45] so far 18 minutes [05:45] 3 min left === asac is sorry [05:45] omg thats fast [05:45] 600 K [05:45] 84% [======================================> ] 621,445,352 573.11K/s ETA 03:01 [05:45] damn [05:46] yes ... sometimes its fun [05:46] but in fact i couldn't life with it [05:46] i have so many chroots to keep up to date [05:46] s/with/without/ ... of course [05:49] but when i hear that some swedish and french fellows get 100mbit/static-IP for 40-50 EUR a month ... i still see potential :) [05:50] lol [05:50] for me to get that its about $50.oo USD [05:50] or more [05:51] so its even cheaper for you ... [05:51] 50 EUR are about $70 [05:51] i guess [05:51] i would have to check to be sure [05:51] these retraces arnt gonna work im seeing [05:52] oh no ... now i remember the pain [05:52] of qemu [05:52] i have to setup bridged network to make things easy [05:52] oh yuck [05:52] yeah ... have to boot my old computer ... it should have something [05:52] use vmware than :) [05:52] pah [05:53] that doesn't work without manually tweaking network of host either afaik [05:53] oh [05:53] at least i would be scared if it hacked my network config files [05:53] true [05:54] ok ... which mother board has a decent intel gpu [05:54] not sure :( === gnomefreak doesnt know motherboards all that well [06:08] Anyone know what the default Ubuntu Sans Font is? [06:09] I'm creating a document that should be viewable cross platform in a similar view [06:14] no me [06:14] not* [06:15] i even don't know if there is a thing like a unique default sans fonts across all applications [06:18] well I thought there was a method in OOo to set it to the default sans font [06:19] then when it goes to OOo in widnows it will pick up the default sans font there === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:23] anyone know where i can find debs for mozilla-thunderbird=1.5.0.8-0ubuntu0.6.10 [06:23] AlexLatchford: what sans do you see in ooo ? [06:23] I dont, I dont think [06:24] there should be one though [06:24] maybe just type sans :) [06:24] then you will probably get the default font ;) [06:24] meh [06:24] you can type arial ... and will get some mapping too [06:24] if you go to System->Prefs->Fonts its Sans there [06:25] yeah ... try type Sans in ooo font field [06:25] doesn't that work? [06:32] anyone planning to do bugs this week? [06:32] not really, working on OpenDocument project [07:04] part time ... updating firefox is prio 1 [07:05] prio 2 is submitting initial patches upstream [07:05] k [07:09] damn ... qemu ppc installer doesn't boot :( [07:09] will try debians later on [07:28] great ... debian sarge installer appears to work :) === gnomefreak heads to store. im gonna spend the day cleaning house and working on retraces i think [07:29] great [07:29] cu [07:29] relax :) [08:59] whats the chances of a laptop having reg(desktop) mem chips in it example pc133 and same proc as a desktop? [09:07] tb 1.5.0.10 still not released :( [09:23] laptop same ship as desktop [09:23] hardly ever [09:23] in a week [09:23] tbird release [09:23] has been pushed back [09:24] ack [09:24] my sites down :( === Martin_Bing [n=ismael@d51A498D0.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === Martin_Bing [n=ismael@d51A498D0.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-mozillateam [] === gnomefreak runs low on retraces :) [11:33] oh [11:33] no crashes left :) ? [11:34] ive been grabbing them as they come in [11:34] its cheating i know ;) [11:34] yeah there are some :) [11:35] not bad 423 reports on search for crash [11:35] oh i know thats alot of trappling through bugs for a sunday [11:35] [apport] firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() [11:35] why do we have so many reports with that summary [11:35] is that generated by apport [11:35] ? [11:35] yes [11:35] apport gives it a generic name [11:36] thats only for feisty though [11:37] mt-confirm and mt-summary need to be worked on if anyone knows how to read stacktraces. assuming asac is busy as i know he is [11:37] :) [11:37] https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=mt-confirm [11:37] asac: btw i approved tony (hes the one that built kompozer for ubuntu but not sure if it will make it into feisty [11:37] all crashes there that don't have a valid stack element need one [11:37] aka mt-needsummary :) [11:38] ill look through them when im done with these 2 if its still early enough [11:38] oh shit i cant [11:38] for now taking the first mozilla code functino would be ok [11:38] im waiting to be approved for beta testing [11:38] http://librarian.launchpad.net/6525103/Stacktrace [11:38] oh [11:38] you can replace beta by www [11:39] i guess [11:39] sorry for posting this link [11:39] ah [11:39] in that stacktrace [11:39] thats a good stack [11:39] use "firefox crash [@gtk_style_realize] [11:39] as title [11:39] it looks like gtk bug [11:39] nsProfileLock::FatalSignalHandler is not worth noting [11:40] yeah ... actually take the first valid stack element after FatalSignalHandler [11:40] no its not [11:40] it crashes in gtk [11:40] but we are probably the ones that pass corrupted data [11:40] thats what i meant [11:40] we have a bunch of those [11:40] sure [11:40] bunch== maybe 100 or so [11:40] thats why i need a [@gtk_style_realize] in summary [11:40] then i will take a look what variants exist [11:41] and see what stack elements might be significant [11:41] k [11:41] all that are the same, are duplicates [11:41] we should open a "hot issues" page in wiki [11:41] with stacks of most posted crasherse [11:41] and maybe give master bug a alias name [11:41] should i just change summary and leave not marked as dupe? [11:41] +1 that idea [11:41] if you have exact stacktrace match [11:42] than you can mark as duplicate [11:42] take the one with the better information as master bug === gnomefreak thinks we have a master bug for that [11:42] but lets not give it a name for now. Still unsure if that is acutally what we want [11:42] sure [11:42] we have a gtk_style_realize master [11:42] but please look if trace is really the same [11:43] i remember at least two distinct issues that end up in that function [11:43] might be different, but related problems [11:43] yeah i saw hjmf comment about that on a bug [11:44] for now i will mark them as [@gtk_style_realize] take mt-summary and leave mt-confirm [11:44] that way we know it needs to be read for dupe [11:45] yes fine [11:45] will do so sometime next week ... at least a good bunch [11:46] ok if you happen to have pull for the beta LP team get them to appove me ;) [11:46] actually as we get that many reports it should be so hard to reproduce [11:46] hehe ... maybe i come around some ;) [11:46] don't know the policy though [11:47] ah [11:47] something is wrong here [11:47] where? [11:47] apport [11:47] why? === gnomefreak thinks its broken from usage :( [11:48] its not doing anything will try again [11:48] what is kompozer? [11:48] (on tony) [11:49] its NVU but under new name mozilla related product [11:49] ah ok ... who has taken over nvu development? [11:49] hasn't mozilla dropped it? [11:49] nvu stopped maintaining NVU and some of the devels took over making kompozer iirc [11:49] or was it never maintained by them? [11:49] yes mozilla dropped it for kompozer [11:50] yeah ... nice ... will he appear on irc too? [11:50] nvu might have been mozilla i dont remember [11:50] hes all over irc [11:50] who? [11:50] he was having issue building it the other day [11:50] tonyyarusso [11:51] not in this channel :) [11:51] he was. he asked last night about his issue but you werent here he finally figured it out [11:52] :) [11:52] ok [11:55] gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/bug87859$ apport-retrace -s -v -d 87859 2>&1 | tee retrace.log isnt working :( [11:56] its just sitting there :( [12:01] maybe i used my apport quota :( [12:02] yeah probably for today [12:02] maybe network problems downloading report= [12:02] ? [12:03] its nto giving any feedback im gonna give it 10 minutes on this try if it doesnt do anything i will finish the other one i have nad reboot [12:03] s/nad/and [12:04] hmm [12:04] others work? [12:05] they did. i cant run 2 at once but will be trying soon [12:05] bad news is, that I couldn't get ubuntu ppc installed on qemu. debian installer at least started but failed on hardware discovery [12:06] oh crap [12:06] how do we build for ppc now? [12:06] i don't [12:06] have no ppc hardware [12:06] and don't want such :) [12:07] btw tonyyarusso was looking for someone to do a ppc build on kompozer too :( [12:07] i think i can build on some devel machines === gnomefreak doesnt have a ppc yet im hoping to find someone wanting to get rid of one but its not going well [12:09] with a local crash report apport works fine. when its done ill test on another report [12:11] yes there is a machine I could misuse [12:11] will have to figure out ;) [12:11] guess it has no real net access [12:11] so not much use for retraces [12:13] hmm ... no apport installed on it [12:13] added to TODO list [12:14] ive had get a cheap ppc on my to do list for 4 years [12:14] its still top on it [12:15] hehe [12:15] what for? [12:15] i can do retrace ... or we wait for someone with powerpc joining the team [12:15] who of us is active in forums? [12:16] maybe alex ot freddy [12:16] or === gnomefreak not really but i do have people i deal with daily that are mods on forums or use them alot [12:18] hmmm it seems apport isnt working on feisty crashes at all. brb gonna try reboot === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam