[12:30] <crimsun> no.
[12:30] <crimsun>      totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[12:30] <crimsun>      totem | 2.17.92-0ubuntu1 | http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Sources
[12:32] <asac> interesting
[12:33] <asac> in edgy we have 2.16.2-0ubuntu3
[12:33] <asac> ahh
[12:33] <asac> i see the difference
[12:33] <asac> however ... tilde is still not right imo ... use ubuntu1.mt1
[12:33] <asac> or something alike :)
[12:35] <asac> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7410/
[12:36] <asac> thats the changelog of johns release ... there exist .17.91-0ubuntu3
[12:36] <asac> but where is it?
[12:43] <crimsun> It's only there for the time being. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem
[12:43] <crimsun> e.g., I see it on se.archive [http://ftp.acc.umu.se/ubuntu/pool/main/t/totem/ ] 
[12:49] <asac> yeah ... didnt see the difference in upstream version
[12:50] <asac> its weekend :)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> anyone here? got a quick question
[06:25] <crimsun> gnomefreak: pong?
[02:05] <asac> anyone is emacs wizard here?
[02:05] <asac> no .. wizard not needed ... needs to know something
[02:05] <asac> :)
[02:17] <AlexLatchford> grr silly recursion
[03:56] <Mimz> hello
[04:04] <asac> hi
[04:20] <Mimz> hi , did any one face a problem after installing the latest firefox update?
[04:22] <AlexLatchford> which one?
[04:22] <AlexLatchford> for Feisty?
[04:32] <Mimz> it was a security update
[04:39] <asac> Mimz: which version do you run?
[04:43] <Mimz> firefox 2
[04:47] <asac> haha
[04:47] <asac> no i mean the minor version
[04:48] <asac> look about->firefox :)
[04:48] <asac> 2.0.0.1 or 2.0.0.2 ?
[04:48] <asac> or really 2.0 ?
[04:48] <asac> its Help -> About Firefox
[04:52] <Mimz> yea its 2.0.0.2
[04:52] <Mimz> i thought the Q was 1.5 or 2
[04:52] <asac> then you have installed mozilla.org version ... not ubuntu package
[04:52] <asac> :)
[04:52] <asac> thats not supported ;) ... at least not by us
[04:54] <asac> Mimz: anyway, what problems do you see?
[04:55] <Mimz> i thought so, but I couldn't find the mozilla room on this serve :p
[04:55] <asac> #firefox on irc.mozilla.org
[04:56] <Mimz> the problem is that no page can be loaded, page could not be lloaded
[05:02] <gnomefre1k> Whats this crap you cant run a 64bit chroot on a 32bit proc :(
[05:15] <asac> gnomefreak: what a coincident
[05:15] <asac> try qemu
[05:16] <asac> ah ... remember your mem
[05:17] <asac> actually its bad that you cannot build a i386 build in x86_64 chroot
[05:17] <asac> i couldn't build firefox :/
[05:17] <asac> it somehow detected that this is x86_64 ... which was wrong ... though I hacked uname
[05:19] <gnomefreak> you cant run a32bit chroot in 64bit either?
[05:21] <asac> yeah ... i still think uname was broken
[05:21] <asac> uname -m yields
[05:21] <asac> x86_64
[05:21] <gnomefreak> it may just be me but qemu seems like alot of work to test 64bit or ppc
[05:21] <asac> which makes mozilla build system try to build some 64bit specific code, which fails
[05:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:22] <asac> actually half bad on mozilla side
[05:22] <asac> at lesat half ... i think they use the wrong hint to detect system
[05:22] <asac> should look at libc
[05:22] <asac> or something
[05:23] <asac> now letst see replaced uname in /bin/ instead of setting an alias to the fake version
[05:23] <gnomefreak> who else besides you has 64bit env. on the team that we know of?
[05:23] <asac> dunno
[05:23] <asac> no flash for me :)
[05:23] <asac> but gnash ;)
[05:24] <gnomefreak> there are flash packages but they are crap :(
[05:24] <gnomefreak> libswflash or whatever its called
[05:24] <asac> there are?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> yeah
[05:24] <asac> ah
[05:24] <asac> yeah ... but not proprietary
[05:24] <asac> but who cares
[05:24] <gnomefreak> they are crap (maybe as bad as gnash)
[05:24] <asac> when i get to a side where I can do nothing because of flash, i write an email (if i have time) and don't use it
[05:25] <asac> s/side/site/
[05:25] <gnomefreak> wel i assigne dyuo to a few retraces for 64bit. and we have a ppc retrace needed :(
[05:25] <asac> yeah ... will try to setup qemu
[05:25] <asac> for ppc
[05:25] <asac> maybe slow ... buf for retracing it should work
[05:26] <asac> are there feisty isos?
[05:26] <gnomefreak> i have 256mb ram i would think i can run qemu just slow as crap
[05:26] <asac> so i can install ppc qemu from those?
[05:26] <asac> yeah ... its too much for you
[05:26] <gnomefreak> asac: yes i think we still support ppc
[05:26] <gnomefreak> !daily
[05:27] <asac> ah ... its an edgy report?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> damn bots not here
[05:27] <gnomefreak> asac: yep
[05:27] <asac> i think i can find the iso then
[05:27] <gnomefreak> i have link in 2 secs
[05:27] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[05:27] <gnomefreak> yep still ppc
[05:28] <asac> has alternate install console installer?
[05:28] <asac> i don't want to bother with graphics now :)
[05:29] <asac> great ... looks like x86 build works now in chroot
[05:29] <gnomefreak> yep looks like they all are
[05:29] <asac> replacing /bin/uname helps
[05:29] <gnomefreak> replacing it with?
[05:29] <asac> with my script :)
[05:29] <asac> #!/bin/sh
[05:29] <asac> res=$(/bin/uname_orig $@)
[05:30] <asac> echo $res | sed -e 's/x86_64/i686/g'
[05:30] <asac> and cp /bin/uname /bin/uname_orig in advance
[05:30] <asac> sed is overkill of course :)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> thats it? and i can change it for 686>64
[05:31] <asac> you can't do that
[05:31] <asac> on 32bit
[05:31] <asac> for me its enough to work around firefox build system bug
[05:31] <gnomefreak> oh there is no way :(
[05:31] <asac> no ... amd procs are compatible with 32bit
[05:32] <asac> so yes ... otherway around ... no way ever
[05:32] <asac> don't know if new duo core intel 64bit are compatible to amd64 ... but i think so
[05:32] <gnomefreak> well im getting laptop but its too old to be 64bit im sure and its even worst off on mem than this pc i think
[05:32] <asac> hmm
[05:32] <asac> amd64 is around for quite some time
[05:33] <asac> we are already at dual cores
[05:33] <asac> now
[05:33] <gnomefreak> its ibm thinkpad from year 2000
[05:33] <asac> ... probably too old :)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> i wont know until i get there anything else about it but it gives me something to throw windows on atleast
[05:33] <asac> do you have banks free?
[05:34] <asac> i mean memory slots on your board
[05:34] <gnomefreak> on this one yes
[05:34] <gnomefreak> but its some fucked up mem that goes in this
[05:34] <asac> what is your current setup? Just one 256mb unit?
[05:34] <asac> what kind of mem?
[05:35] <asac> DDR-266 ?
[05:35] <asac> or even 133 ;)
[05:35] <gnomefreak> i would have to look but iirc it rddr or something like that
[05:35] <gnomefreak> i have 133 and 100 in my p2
[05:35] <asac> yeah ... but there exist p4 with SDRAM-133 too
[05:36] <gnomefreak> no
[05:36] <asac> definitly ;)
[05:36] <asac> my parents got one :)
[05:36] <gnomefreak> you have to replace 2 at a time and its hjigh dollor
[05:36] <gnomefreak> high*
[05:37] <asac> two at a time? even with 133 you could replace just one ... or add just one
[05:37] <asac> sounds bad
[05:37] <gnomefreak> PC600/800 RDRAM
[05:38] <asac> where did you get such a system from?
[05:38] <asac> sounds pretty rare
[05:38] <asac> if rdram is rambus
[05:39] <gnomefreak> its $170.00 for 512mb
[05:39] <asac> maybe switching mainboard would be more efficient
[05:40] <asac> don't know about current component prices, but mb: $50 ... 1gb mem $100  should be doable?
[05:40] <asac> or what are current prices for plain ddr mem
[05:42] <asac> man ... why does ubuntu not provide a net install cd ... only those 700m thingies
[05:43] <gnomefreak> they do
[05:43] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:43] <asac> where?
[05:43] <gnomefreak> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation.  Problems during install? See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:43] <gnomefreak> from the bot
[05:43] <asac> yeah ... but download almost done now ... so don't bother :)
[05:44] <gnomefreak> i was thinking of ask seveas about bringing ubotu in here
[05:44] <gnomefreak> almost done? its been 8hrs already :(
[05:45] <asac> so far 18 minutes
[05:45] <asac> 3 min left
[05:45] <gnomefreak> omg thats fast
[05:45] <asac> 600 K
[05:45] <asac> 84% [[05:45] <gnomefreak> damn
[05:46] <asac> yes ... sometimes its fun
[05:46] <asac> but in fact i couldn't life with it
[05:46] <asac> i have so many chroots to keep up to date
[05:46] <asac> s/with/without/ ... of course
[05:49] <asac> but when i hear that some swedish and french fellows get 100mbit/static-IP for 40-50 EUR a month ... i still see potential :)
[05:50] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:50] <gnomefreak> for me to get that its about $50.oo USD
[05:50] <gnomefreak> or more
[05:51] <asac> so its even cheaper for you ...
[05:51] <asac> 50 EUR are about $70
[05:51] <asac> i guess
[05:51] <gnomefreak> i would have to check to be sure
[05:51] <gnomefreak> these retraces arnt gonna work im seeing
[05:52] <asac> oh no ... now i remember the pain
[05:52] <asac> of qemu
[05:52] <asac> i have to setup bridged network to make things easy
[05:52] <gnomefreak> oh yuck
[05:52] <asac> yeah ... have to boot my old computer ... it should have something
[05:52] <gnomefreak> use vmware than :)
[05:52] <asac> pah
[05:53] <asac> that doesn't work without manually tweaking network of host either afaik
[05:53] <gnomefreak> oh
[05:53] <asac> at least i would be scared if it hacked my network config files
[05:53] <gnomefreak> true
[05:54] <asac> ok ... which mother board has a decent intel gpu
[05:54] <gnomefreak> not sure :(
[06:08] <AlexLatchford> Anyone know what the default Ubuntu Sans Font is?
[06:09] <AlexLatchford> I'm creating a document that should be viewable cross platform in a similar view
[06:14] <gnomefreak> no me
[06:14] <gnomefreak> not*
[06:15] <asac> i even don't know if there is a thing like a unique default sans fonts across all applications
[06:18] <AlexLatchford> well I thought there was a method in OOo to set it to the default sans font
[06:19] <AlexLatchford> then when it goes to OOo in widnows it will pick up the default sans font there
[06:23] <gnomefreak> anyone know where i can find debs for mozilla-thunderbird=1.5.0.8-0ubuntu0.6.10
[06:23] <asac> AlexLatchford: what sans do you see in ooo ?
[06:23] <AlexLatchford> I dont, I dont think
[06:24] <AlexLatchford> there should be one though
[06:24] <asac> maybe just type sans :)
[06:24] <asac> then you will probably get the default font ;)
[06:24] <AlexLatchford> meh
[06:24] <asac> you can type arial ... and will get some mapping too
[06:24] <AlexLatchford> if you go to System->Prefs->Fonts its Sans there
[06:25] <asac> yeah ... try type Sans in ooo font field
[06:25] <asac> doesn't that work?
[06:32] <gnomefreak> anyone planning to do bugs this week?
[06:32] <AlexLatchford> not really, working on OpenDocument project
[07:04] <asac> part time ... updating firefox is prio 1
[07:05] <asac> prio 2 is submitting initial patches upstream
[07:05] <gnomefreak> k
[07:09] <asac> damn ... qemu ppc installer doesn't boot :(
[07:09] <asac> will try debians later on
[07:28] <asac> great ... debian sarge installer appears to work :)
[07:29] <asac> great
[07:29] <asac> cu
[07:29] <asac> relax :)
[08:59] <gnomefreak> whats the chances of a laptop having reg(desktop) mem chips in it example pc133 and same proc as a desktop?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> tb 1.5.0.10 still not released :(
[09:23] <asac> laptop same ship as desktop
[09:23] <asac> hardly ever
[09:23] <asac> in a week
[09:23] <asac> tbird release
[09:23] <asac> has been pushed back
[09:24] <gnomefreak> ack
[09:24] <gnomefreak> my sites down :(
[11:33] <asac> oh
[11:33] <asac> no crashes left :) ?
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ive been grabbing them as they come in
[11:34] <gnomefreak> its cheating i know ;)
[11:34] <asac> yeah there are some :)
[11:35] <asac> not bad 423 reports on search for crash
[11:35] <gnomefreak> oh i know thats alot of trappling through bugs for a sunday
[11:35] <asac> [apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()
[11:35] <asac> why do we have so many reports with that summary
[11:35] <asac> is that generated by apport
[11:35] <asac> ?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:35] <gnomefreak> apport gives it a generic name
[11:36] <gnomefreak> thats only for feisty though
[11:37] <gnomefreak> mt-confirm and mt-summary need to be worked on if anyone knows how to read stacktraces. assuming asac is busy as i know he is
[11:37] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:37] <asac> https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=mt-confirm
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: btw i approved tony (hes the one that built kompozer for ubuntu but not sure if it will make it into feisty
[11:37] <asac> all crashes there that don't have a valid stack element need one
[11:37] <asac> aka mt-needsummary :)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> ill look through them when im done with these 2 if its still early enough
[11:38] <gnomefreak> oh shit i cant
[11:38] <asac> for now taking the first mozilla code functino would be ok
[11:38] <gnomefreak> im waiting to be approved for beta testing
[11:38] <asac> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6525103/Stacktrace
[11:38] <asac> oh
[11:38] <asac> you can replace beta by www
[11:39] <asac> i guess
[11:39] <asac> sorry for posting this link
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:39] <asac> in that stacktrace
[11:39] <gnomefreak> thats a good stack
[11:39] <asac> use "firefox crash [@gtk_style_realize] 
[11:39] <asac> as title
[11:39] <gnomefreak> it looks like gtk bug
[11:39] <asac> nsProfileLock::FatalSignalHandler is not worth noting
[11:40] <asac> yeah ... actually take the first valid stack element after FatalSignalHandler
[11:40] <asac> no its not
[11:40] <asac> it crashes in gtk
[11:40] <asac> but we are probably the ones that pass corrupted data
[11:40] <gnomefreak> thats what i meant
[11:40] <gnomefreak> we have a bunch of those
[11:40] <asac> sure
[11:40] <gnomefreak> bunch== maybe 100 or so
[11:40] <asac> thats why i need a [@gtk_style_realize]  in summary
[11:40] <asac> then i will take a look what variants exist
[11:41] <asac> and see what stack elements might be significant
[11:41] <gnomefreak> k
[11:41] <asac> all that are the same, are duplicates
[11:41] <asac> we should open a "hot issues" page in wiki
[11:41] <asac> with stacks of most posted crasherse
[11:41] <asac> and maybe give master bug a alias name
[11:41] <gnomefreak> should i just change summary and leave not marked as dupe?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> +1 that idea
[11:41] <asac> if you have exact stacktrace match
[11:42] <asac> than you can mark as duplicate
[11:42] <asac> take the one with the better information as master bug
[11:42] <asac> but lets not give it a name for now. Still unsure if that is acutally what we want
[11:42] <asac> sure
[11:42] <asac> we have a gtk_style_realize master
[11:42] <asac> but please look if trace is really the same
[11:43] <asac> i remember at least two distinct issues that end up in that function
[11:43] <asac> might be different, but related problems
[11:43] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw hjmf comment about that on a bug
[11:44] <gnomefreak> for now i will mark them as [@gtk_style_realize]  take mt-summary and leave mt-confirm
[11:44] <gnomefreak> that way we know it needs to be read for dupe
[11:45] <asac> yes fine
[11:45] <asac> will do so sometime next week ... at least a good bunch
[11:46] <gnomefreak> ok if you happen to have pull for the beta LP team get them to appove me ;)
[11:46] <asac> actually as we get that many reports it should be so hard to reproduce
[11:46] <asac> hehe ... maybe i come around some ;)
[11:46] <asac> don't know the policy though
[11:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:47] <gnomefreak> something is wrong here
[11:47] <asac> where?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> apport
[11:47] <asac> why?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> its not doing anything will try again
[11:48] <asac> what is kompozer?
[11:48] <asac> (on tony)
[11:49] <gnomefreak> its NVU but under new name mozilla related product
[11:49] <asac> ah ok ... who has taken over nvu development?
[11:49] <asac> hasn't mozilla dropped it?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> nvu stopped maintaining NVU and some of the devels took over making kompozer iirc
[11:49] <asac> or was it never maintained by them?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> yes mozilla dropped it for kompozer
[11:50] <asac> yeah ... nice ... will he appear on irc too?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> nvu might have been mozilla i dont remember
[11:50] <gnomefreak> hes all over irc
[11:50] <asac> who?
[11:50] <gnomefreak> he was having issue building it the other day
[11:50] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso
[11:51] <asac> not in this channel :)
[11:51] <gnomefreak> he was. he asked last night about his issue but you werent here he finally figured it out
[11:52] <asac> :)
[11:52] <asac> ok
[11:55] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~/bug87859$ apport-retrace -s -v -d 87859 2>&1 | tee retrace.log   isnt working :(
[11:56] <gnomefreak> its just sitting there :(
[12:01] <gnomefreak> maybe i used my apport quota :(
[12:02] <asac> yeah probably for today
[12:02] <asac> maybe network problems downloading report=
[12:02] <asac> ?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> its nto giving any feedback im gonna give it 10 minutes on this try if it doesnt do anything i will finish the other one i have nad reboot
[12:03] <gnomefreak> s/nad/and
[12:04] <asac> hmm
[12:04] <asac> others work?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> they did. i cant run 2 at once but will be trying soon
[12:05] <asac> bad news is, that I couldn't get ubuntu ppc installed on qemu. debian installer at least started but failed on hardware discovery
[12:06] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[12:06] <gnomefreak> how do we build for ppc now?
[12:06] <asac> i don't
[12:06] <asac> have no ppc hardware
[12:06] <asac> and don't want such  :)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> btw tonyyarusso was looking for someone to do a ppc build on kompozer too :(
[12:07] <asac> i think i can build on some devel machines
[12:09] <gnomefreak> with a local crash report apport works fine. when its done ill test on another report
[12:11] <asac> yes there is a machine I could misuse
[12:11] <asac> will have to figure out ;)
[12:11] <asac> guess it has no real net access
[12:11] <asac> so not much use for retraces
[12:13] <asac> hmm ... no apport installed on it
[12:13] <asac> added to TODO list
[12:14] <gnomefreak> ive had get a cheap ppc on my to do list for 4 years
[12:14] <gnomefreak> its still top on it
[12:15] <asac> hehe
[12:15] <asac> what for?
[12:15] <asac> i can do retrace ... or we wait for someone with powerpc joining the team
[12:15] <asac> who of us is active in forums?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> maybe alex ot freddy
[12:16] <gnomefreak> or
[12:18] <gnomefreak> hmmm it seems apport isnt working on feisty crashes at all. brb gonna try reboot