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[01:01] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: ping - I'm getting a compile error on your machine when it works fine on mine.  I'm not sure if it's b/c you're PPC or b/c yours is Dapper.  Making a feisty pbuilder tgz requires a backported debootstrap.  Would you consider that, or is it a bit too significant of a system change?
[01:05] <trollboy> any word on the wrt54g's patching the bug yet?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> trollboy: some have done it ages ago
[01:07] <trollboy> I just got the latest firmware and it appears to be still affected
[01:07] <trollboy> about a week ago is when I got the firmware
[01:07] <ompaul> trollboy, did you not go and get yourself ddwrt for the box?
[01:07] <trollboy> say what?
[01:08] <ompaul> did you not go and get yourself ddwrt for the box?
[01:08] <ompaul> that would have some nice firmware and at least it is open so you can hack it yourself
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> DD-WRT is very nice (I use it)
[01:09] <trollboy> I prefer to keep my router standard
[01:09] <trollboy> elsewise I'd be running sveasoft or whatever it is
[01:09] <ompaul> standard where cisco give you buggy software you can't fix and you have to beg them to fix it
[01:10] <trollboy> ompaul: as a rule, all software and hardware sucks
[01:10] <trollboy> its a matter of finding which sucks less at the moment
[01:10] <trollboy> and when I bought it, it sucked less
[01:10] <ompaul> trollboy, and as a rule binary blobs suck way more than that with source
[01:11] <trollboy> with that arguement; I should opt for Gentoo in lieu of a binary distro like ubuntu
[01:11] <trollboy> I'm not trying to pick fights
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[01:11] <trollboy> just asking if you guys knew of any updates
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[01:12] <ompaul> trollboy, actually your wrong there, you have the source for ubuntu it is a matter of do you want to compile it
[01:12] <trollboy> I do?
[01:12] <trollboy> You've access to my box and my install media
[01:12] <ompaul> you do have the source should you want it
[01:12] <trollboy> *sigh*
[01:12] <trollboy> indeed
[01:13] <trollboy> well thanks for spending 7 minutes saying "not that we know of"
[01:13] <ompaul> trollboy, never ever suggest you get better service from a binary blob organisation
[01:13] <ompaul> well not with me around anyway :)
[01:13] <trollboy> I didn't
[01:13] <trollboy> I said I prefer to stay standard
[01:14] <ompaul> suggesting that sucked less
[01:14] <ompaul> ergo that is better from where I stand
[01:14] <trollboy> less than other routers on the market
[01:15] <trollboy> but by all means, follow the freenode status quo by using anything said as an opportunity to trashtalk the product(s) the user is asking about and waste time on diatribes on the virtues of FOSS over evil corporations.
[01:15] <ompaul> I never mentioned corporations
[01:16] <trollboy> Unless of course, ddwrt was making a hardware product at the time
[01:16] <trollboy> <ompaul> standard where cisco give you buggy software you can't fix and you have to beg them to fix it
[01:17] <trollboy> I believe Cisco Inc is in fact a incorporated entity
[01:17] <trollboy> as was Linksys before thier aquisition by Cisco
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[01:18] <ompaul> cisco is one company, not plural if you want to be a pedant, however they are not producing for you in this instance a piece of software that you can fix whatever bug it is that exists, why not run ddwrt and not have the bug? or is it that not your aim in life then when they fix it you could move back if you thought you got better software at least it would work etc
[01:19] <trollboy> Yes they are late in producing a bugfix in this
[01:19] <trollboy> however, as previously mentioned, I am waiting for them to produce said bugfix, thus allowing me to stay with standard, vendor supported firmware.
[01:20] <ompaul> which you can move back to when fixed if you used ddwrt
[01:20] <ompaul> thus not having vendor imposed bugs while they take the weekend off
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[01:21] <ompaul> elkbuntu, you know you could have a point there - it ain't #cisco for sure
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[01:22] <elkbuntu> or #linksys
[01:22] <elkbuntu> ;)
[01:22] <trollboy> But I digress, the fact that cisco is in fact one company and not multiple companies does in fact obviously excuse you for any and all anti-social, unhelpful and downright confrontational rhetoric when asked a simple question.  With support like this, I can't imagine WHY FOSS hasn't dominated the market yet.  Oh yes, MS et al at least smiles when they sell you crappy closed source software.  As opposed to attacking users who try to
[01:22] <trollboy>  comply with bug requests while running good quality open source solutions.
[01:22] <ompaul> perhaps someone might entertain trollboy with what gnewsense is and why really suggesting that blobs were a solution to me would not work
[01:23] <trollboy> I'm quite familiar with GNU
[01:23] <trollboy> I've been running at least 1 linux desktop since RedHat 4
[01:23] <Ubugtu> Red Hat bug 4 in installer "Installer fails on LILO step" [High,Closed: fixed]  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4
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[01:24] <trollboy> Thank you for the flashback from the 90's
[01:24] <trollboy> Obviously the bot is a binary blob.  No worries
[01:24] <elkbuntu> trollboy, it's good to see you've named yourself appropriately
[01:24] <trollboy> elkbuntu: thank you.  Amazing that you know that I'm over 7' tall
[01:24] <trollboy> but my old college girlfriend Lynn named me this, not myself.
[01:25] <elkbuntu> trollboy, i was referring to your trollish behaviour
[01:25] <trollboy> and for the record elkbuntu, I'm not trolling.  Far from it.  I asked a simple question and was accosted for my troubles
[01:25] <trollboy> unfortunately that's become the de facto standard on freenode
[01:25] <trollboy> and as I'm growing more and more weary of it day by day, I expressed my disdain
[01:26] <elkbuntu> trollboy, if you were not trolling before, you certainly are now
[01:26] <trollboy> In what respect?
[01:27] <elkbuntu> With support like this, I can't imagine WHY FOSS hasn't dominated the market yet.  Oh yes, MS et al at least smiles when they sell you crappy closed source software. <-- this sort of comment is impregnated with troll stench
[01:27] <trollboy> Please do tell, if I am in fact trolling, I will stop.
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[01:27] <trollboy> Its my personal opinion
[01:27] <trollboy> in regards to my horrid treatment when asking a simple question
[01:27] <ompaul> well let us work it out - you asked an offtopic question and for your troubles got an offtopic answer - neither cisco and its binary blobs or ddwrt are core to this channel
[01:27] <trollboy> I was sent to this channel in regards to a bug I've got with my router
[01:28] <trollboy> your policies made it on topic for this channel
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[01:28] <ompaul> then the question is this - do you have your port set to 8001?
[01:28] <trollboy> No not currently
[01:29] <trollboy> Is this were you initiate a dcc attack on that port to disconnect me and acheive victory and smug satisfaction?
[01:29] <ompaul> so how do you propose to fix the problem with the router to get into #ubuntu?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> bye!
[01:29] <Hobbsee> yep, that's exactly the idea.
[01:29] <elkbuntu> so he wants cisco/linksys to fix it for him?
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[01:30] <ompaul> so you don't fix it you can't get back into #ubuntu simple
[01:30] <Hobbsee> trollboy: clearly you *havent* fixed it, by whatever medium you choose.
[01:30] <ompaul> when you do fix it you need to disconnect and reconnect and then be tested
[01:31] <ompaul> and that bug is going around months - so there is 8001 or no access
[01:32] <elkbuntu> trollboy, the idea is that people will use the exploits to get smug satisfaction is what we're trying to eliminate in the ubuntu channels. if they stop getting the reactions they desire, for whicever reasons, they'll stop annoying us
[01:32] <Hobbsee> not to mention it's darned annoying to keep being kicked off the network, of course.
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[01:33] <trollboy> indeed
[01:33] <trollboy> that said
[01:33] <trollboy> I'm done with freenode
[01:33] <trollboy> at least for a while
[01:33] <Hobbsee> okay.  that's your choice.  you've got the freedom to do that.
[01:33] <trollboy> You guys do more harm than good so far as I'm concerned
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[01:34] <elkbuntu> so let me get this right. he believed he shouldnt have to change his port etc because cisco or linksys should fix it for him?
[01:35] <ompaul> perhaps, that is not an unreasonable take on his attitude
[01:35] <mc44> well to be fair they should fix their buggy router
[01:35] <mc44> s
[01:35] <elkbuntu> mc44, yeah but the insinuation that we should let him run free and be exploited until then...
[01:36] <mc44> well yes, thats why he had such an apt name, eh :)
[01:36] <ompaul> he is one of those nice peoples attitude the exploiters who actually might come in be kicked so that they can take your time
[01:37] <ompaul> sorry did I say troll
[01:37] <ompaul> you don't call yourself troll on IRC
[01:40] <elkbuntu> hehe
[01:41] <elkbuntu> -NickServ-            Nickname: trollboy << ONLINE >>
[01:41] <elkbuntu> -NickServ-          Registered: 4 years 15 weeks 4 days (6h 11m 47s) ago
[01:41] <elkbuntu> he hasnt gone :
[01:50] <gnomefreak> he has been banned from #ubutnu for trolling (or it was #kubuntu) (<= month ago)
[01:51] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu*
[01:51] <ompaul> okay so is he still banned
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[01:53] <ompaul> cos he did not fix his stupid irc client
[01:53] <ompaul> that one can last a few months
[01:53] <gnomefreak> he hasnt for a while
[01:53] <ompaul> gnomefreak, it is all ciscos fault
[01:53] <ompaul> :)
[01:53] <gnomefreak> hes been in here for the last week or 2 "trying" to fix it
[01:53] <gnomefreak> lol :)
[01:54] <ompaul> for a leet php haxor he should be able to pass a simple arguement to his irc client
[01:54] <elkbuntu> so he's one of the 'newbies' he mentioned?
[01:54] <ompaul> or maybe he wrote it in php himself
[01:54] <ompaul> elkbuntu, :) good call
[01:55] <elkbuntu> ompaul, repost that quote here ;)
[01:55] <elkbuntu> it is afterall in the PD
[01:55] <gnomefreak> changing to port 8001 (if its exploit issue) will fix it
[01:55] <gnomefreak> no matter what cleint he uses
[01:56] <ompaul> You guys are great!!  I'm so sick of newbie users.  Now in my book a newbie isn't the same as say a neophyte.  A neophyte is just new to the field, a newbie is new to the feild and refuses to learn and has an encyclopedia's worth of preconcieved wrong ideas.
[01:56] <elkbuntu> so as you see, he confuses newbie for a n00bie
[01:56] <ompaul> that is from trollboy and can be looked up on the web he said that 7 years ago and is still having issues :)
[01:57] <ompaul> I'll leave it with you all
[01:57] <ompaul> stay safe and mind yourselves
[01:57] <gnomefreak> its him(not wanting to fix it, lying, or trolling) pick one or 3
[01:57] <gnomefreak> you too ompaul
[01:58] <ompaul> gnomefreak, nanu nanu
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[10:27] <elkbuntu> !ppc
[10:27] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up until edgy, and is now a community port.
[10:28] <elkbuntu> ubot3 sucks
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[12:22] <Hobbsee> [22:21]  [Who]  LaMBaCini is n=gokkkkkk@88.231.41.192 (qDalgicv) appears to be spamming on join
[12:22] <Hobbsee> their old nick, anyway
[12:24] <Hobbsee> my banning sucks.  why cant i ban?
[12:25] <ompaul> it is now barred
[12:25] <ompaul> by ip
[12:26] <Hobbsee> right.  which is why i cant add another ban?
[12:26] <ompaul> you can ban *!*gokkkk*@*
[12:27] <Hobbsee> true
[12:27] <ompaul> dont give it the full run of ks :)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> it was just an IP that i couldnt do
[12:32] <PriceChild> You banned me in there! :O :P
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[12:49] <ikonia> ompaul: initial feedback on draft please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/goodbotuse#preview
[12:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, mahHa said: I need know if is a common problem or is special of my computer. Not record nothing from the micro. I try with others and nothing. Not record with ekiga, skype and anothers
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[12:50] <ikonia> ompaul: I forgot to say "please"
[12:50] <ompaul> :)
[12:50] <ikonia> excuse my slack manners
[12:51] <ompaul> msg me please
[12:52] <ompaul> ikonia,  msg me please
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[03:41] <ubotu> In ubotu, GoopyMonkey said: !frog hotels is smelly
[03:45] <PriceChild> lol
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[04:12] <williammanda> hello
[04:12] <PriceChild> Hey williammanda
[04:12] <williammanda> can anyone help me?
[04:12] <PriceChild> You need a test?
[04:13] <williammanda> i guess?......I got booted from ubuntu over a week ago....
[04:13] <williammanda> no other room says I have a problem
[04:13] <PriceChild> Ah yeah I saw you in #ubuntu-read-topic
[04:13] <PriceChild> Have you followed the instructions?
[04:13] <williammanda> i'm in linuxtv, mythtv-users, ubuntu-mythtv, etc...
[04:13] <PriceChild> williammanda, Have you followed the instructions?
[04:14] <williammanda> i'm on a different computer....and yes I did follow the instructions
[04:14] <PriceChild> Ok. I personally can't unban you from #ubuntu so you're going to have to be patient for one of the other ops to appear.
[04:15] <williammanda> ok
[04:15] <PriceChild> If you join #pricechild I can check that you're ready before another op tests you?
[04:15] <williammanda> i don't understand what is the problem
[04:16] <PriceChild> williammanda, Basically you were the victim of malicious users who send broken commands over the irc network. Your router got confused at this command and disconnected you. When this happens to lots of people in a big channel like #ubuntu, it spams the channel. We prevent this by banning the victims until they fix their problem
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[04:21] <PriceChild> williammanda, Seems to be fine if someone could unban him please :)
[04:23] <williammanda> ty PC
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[04:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, _pb said: ubotu; what is mutt
[04:54] <PriceChild> !bot > _pb
[04:54] <PriceChild> williammanda, Sorry no-one's around... thanks for patience
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[05:04] <PriceChild> Hey gnomefreak could you test williammanda please then unban him from #ubuntu ?
[05:07] <gnomefreak> williammanda: please join #gnomefreak
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[06:04] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: ill be working around for a little while  if he comes  back wanting to be tested
[06:04] <PriceChild> ok :)
[06:04] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, He's still in #pricechild where you can test him
[06:13] <gnomefreak> williammanda: you should beable to join #ubuntu now
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[06:25] <PriceChild> hey ompaul :)
[06:27] <nalioth> hey ompaul :) indeed
[06:28] <ompaul> hey ompaul :) indeed who let you on the internet
[06:28] <ompaul> DOH!
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[07:09] <gnomefreak> @btlogin
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[07:51] <jason0_> I need access to #ubuntu, I switched my server/port.
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[07:52] <PriceChild> jason0_, please be patient and soemone will test you asap
[07:52] <PriceChild> I can't personally unban you from #ubuntu so don't go anywhere! :)
[07:57] <jason0_> Thanks
[08:03] <nalioth> PriceChild: have you tested?
[08:04] <PriceChild> jason0_, please join #pricechild for a test ;)
[08:04] <PriceChild> Sorry nalioth I ususally test people just incase they need help fixing things still but didn't this time as was up to some monkey business
[08:05] <nalioth> PriceChild: you are a typing monkey?
[08:05] <PriceChild> Yes
[08:05] <PriceChild> That is what I said
[08:07] <PriceChild> nalioth, He's clean
[08:08] <nalioth> clean, eh?
[08:09] <PriceChild> nalioth, he has fixed his router's vulnerabilities
[08:09] <PriceChild> That is longer to type
[08:09] <PriceChild> I'm not a typing monkey you know! - oh wait I am....
[08:09] <nalioth> jason0_: thanks for your patience, you can join #ubuntu now
[08:09] <nalioth> PriceChild: thanks for the test
[08:09] <PriceChild> :)
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[08:10] <nalioth> PriceChild: trundling is the sign of a great ape, not a monkey
[08:10] <PriceChild> rofl :)
[08:10] <GazzaK> ook
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[08:23] <techi1> I am having understanding how to install my ubuntu in a double boot with a windowsxp pro machine. Can anybody help me?
[08:23] <PriceChild> techi1, this is not #ubuntu
[08:23] <techi1> PriceChild.... could you direct me there. or tell me the name of the chat room. I am new at this.
[08:24] <PriceChild> /j #ubuntu
[08:24] <nalioth> techi1: type /join #ubuntu
[08:24] <PriceChild> /join #ubuntu
[08:24] <techi1> thanks so much, I appreciate it.
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[08:24] <PriceChild> Sorry nalioth :)
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[09:00] <PriceChild> !proxy | kakbgeeh
[09:00] <ubotu> kakbgeeh: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[09:00] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
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[09:15] <PriceChild> !proxy | test11234
[09:15] <ubotu> test11234: The #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.
[09:15] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
=== tonyyarusso tells ubotu "nfts is <reply> stop your stupid typos in busy channels like #ubuntu tonyyarusso !"
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[09:39] <serbya_boy> hi
[09:39] <PriceChild> Hi serbya_boy, how can we help?
[09:40] <serbya_boy> a dont know
[09:40] <serbya_boy> ...
[09:42] <serbya_boy> Dont touch Kosovo!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:42] <serbya_boy> jeste culi
[09:42] <serbya_boy> bre
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[09:43] <GazzaK> strange boy
[09:44] <GazzaK> that told you PriceChild, don't touch Kosovo
[09:44] <PriceChild> I promise :)
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[10:20] <x-spec-t> heya...i just received spam mail from my @ubuntu.com address to my @gmail.com address
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> x-spec-t: Chances are it was spoofed.  Nothing you can do about it really.
[10:22] <x-spec-t> 'k
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[11:16] <PriceChild> Seveas, wrt https://launchpad.net/bugs/87552 I can still reproduce this
[11:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87552 in ubuntu-bots "Login doesn't recognise alternate nicks even if identically cloaked" [Undecided,Rejected] 
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[11:50] <mako> greetoings
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[11:50] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: you around?
[11:50] <mako> i'm updating the official ubuntu book's section on irc and wanted to check a few things
[11:50] <mako> folks here should know
[11:51] <gnomefreak> k
[11:51] <mako> "Currently the #ubuntu channel is the third biggest channel on the Freenode network and is growing quickly."
[11:51] <mako> does someone know the current status?
[11:51] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:51] <apokryphos> Seveas: back already? ;-)
[11:51] <apokryphos> mako: #ubuntu is the biggest
[11:52] <mc44> mako: check the channel list :)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> 1007
[11:52] <gnomefreak> in there atm
[11:52] <apokryphos> FOSDEM was freakin' awesome this year, by the way, guys 8)
[11:52] <mc44> mako: ubuntu is beating gentoo by 1 user right now :)
[11:52] <mako> mc44: i'm not interested in the general number, not the "at the moment i checked size"
[11:52] <apokryphos> but it is on average larger
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[11:53] <mako> apokryphos: i'm happy to go with that
[11:53] <gnomefreak> its been just over 1000 for a month or so mako
[11:53] <apokryphos> mako: we took over them completely around edgy time, and since then...
[11:53] <mako> does that make it the single biggest?
[11:53] <apokryphos> popey: did you really go this year? Didn't see you around 8)
[11:53] <apokryphos> mako: yes, #gentoo is the only other competitor
[11:53] <mako> apokryphos: awesome, thanks
[11:53] <James_Pain> hey all, can I get back into #ubuntu please. I was part of this DCCExploit and I think i've fixed it now.
[11:54] <gnomefreak> debian was up there at one point but not sure what happened since they moved official support to another server
[11:54] <apokryphos> James_Pain: ok, tested you and you're fine. You're now good to go :)
[11:54] <apokryphos> James_Pain: you can join #ubuntu directly
[11:54] <gnomefreak> James_Pain: join #gnomefreak
[11:54] <gnomefreak> nvm
[11:54] <mako> is the #ubuntu channel size continuing to grow?
[11:54] <James_Pain> ty apok..
[11:54] <mako> last year, it had doubled in the previous nine months
[11:54] <gnomefreak> mako: yes little by little since we hit 1000
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[11:55] <apokryphos> mako: yes, but generally not in a continuous fashion. It tends to grow around release times and then stay at a higher size.
[11:55] <apokryphos> this is why it's really important that we're around to help at release times :)
[11:56] <PriceChild> Its just silly how big it is...
[11:57] <mako> apokryphos: great
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[12:02] <gnomefreak> night apokryphos
[12:04] <gnomefreak> mako: is there going to be a book for feisty or just online book?
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[12:06] <nalioth> mako: #ubuntu is top 3 on Freenode (if not top 2)
[12:07] <nalioth> mako: #ubuntu seems to grow more with each release
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[12:11] <mako> nalioth: awesome :)
[12:11] <mako> nalioth: i'm noting it now
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