[12:29] <akao> Thanks grazie
[12:29] <akao> Another quick question, where do i go about extracting mouse cursor themes i get from xfcelook?
[12:33] <grazie> akao: mouse cursor themes? Aren't they in the icon packages?
[12:33] <akao> Well when i download them directly from xfce it just gives me a tar file with the icons inside
[12:34] <grazie> akao: icons go in ~/.icons
[12:34] <Kresjah_laptop> I fell asleep
[12:35] <Kresjah_laptop> But, I did find some interesting info on my card just a minute ago
[12:35] <Kresjah_laptop> From a forum post I found on google: "Does anybody got a wlan card with rt2561 chipset working? I just bought this card, and according to this site: http://ralink.rapla.net/ , my card has a rt2500 chipset,and breezy supports rt2500. But something must have changed, so now it has the rt2561 chipset, and i have no idea on how to get this working."
[12:38] <akao> hah
[12:38] <akao> there we go, thanks grazie.
[12:38] <grazie> np
[12:52] <RememberPOL> I'm having trouble mounting an ISO image...
[12:53] <RememberPOL> Maybe the ISO is corrupted? (But I don't think so)
[12:53] <RememberPOL> pol@pol-laptop:~/Desktop/cd$ sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop cd.iso /mnt
[12:53] <RememberPOL> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[12:54] <RememberPOL> Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[12:54] <DarthLappy> That exact command works fine on one of my ISOs.
[12:55] <fxr> how do i can i set up my xubuntu box, so i can connect to it remotely... (from another ubuntu box?) i notice this is *easy* in gnome,
[12:55] <RememberPOL> hmm
[12:55] <RememberPOL> same here
[12:55] <RememberPOL> same the ISO is corrupt :|
[01:00] <RememberPOL> fxr: Search "xdmcp" and "xfce"
[01:03] <Kresjah_laptop> Hey! could someone tell me how to get access to my floppy disk? Guess I'll have to mount it, but what specific parameters should I mount with?
[01:10] <fxr> k thanks RememberPOL, ll hgave a look..
[01:10] <fxr> you get that pc sorted Kresjah_laptop?!??!
[01:10] <fxr> (wireless)
[01:10] <Kresjah_laptop> Not yet, although I did uncover some revealing iinformation
[01:11] <Kresjah_laptop> One forum post in the depths of the web told me something
[01:11] <fxr> yeah?
[01:11] <Kresjah_laptop> That at some point, they switched chipsets
[01:11] <fxr> yeah.. i noticed something myself about that, should have said uses the RT61
[01:11] <fxr> ?!?!
[01:11] <Kresjah_laptop> Yup, exactly
[01:12] <Kresjah_laptop> So now I'm trying to get the driver transferred from my laptop to the xubuntu machine
[01:12] <fxr> k.. thats the chipset in my NIC.. ll forward you the guide i used...
[01:12] <Kresjah_laptop> But I can't figure out how to get it to register the floppy drive *feels dumb*
[01:13] <fxr> for RT61: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61?action=show&redirect=Rt61WirelessCardsHowTo
[01:14] <fxr> there is a mount applet to can add to your panel you know..
[01:14] <Kresjah_laptop> Oh?
[01:14] <Kresjah_laptop> Let me check
[01:14] <Kresjah_laptop> Ahh, I ee
[01:14] <Kresjah_laptop> see
[01:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Hmm... I added the applet to the panel
[01:18] <Kresjah_laptop> If I click on it, it shows the mount points, and status (not mounted in the case of floppy0)
[01:18] <Kresjah_laptop> But I can't find a way to get it to mount them.
[01:18] <fxr> just click it... i dont have a floppy drive, but it does for my hdd & cdrom
[01:19] <Kresjah_laptop> I've tried, but it doesn't mount the floppy anyways
[01:20] <Kresjah_laptop> What type (for -t) is a floppy formatted in windows considered (FAT)
[01:20] <Kresjah_laptop> ?
[01:20] <fxr> dunno mate..
[01:21] <fxr> can u decontruct that? its for a windows fat partition sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[01:22] <Kresjah_laptop> Uhm
[01:22] <Kresjah_laptop> It's a floppy disk
[01:22] <Kresjah_laptop> Not a hd
[01:23] <Kresjah_laptop> What I mean is that when I formated it, I used the format dialog in winxp
[01:23] <Kresjah_laptop> Which only gives me one choice for filesystem on the floppy disk, which is fat
[01:24] <fxr> aye so.. -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000
[01:25] <Kresjah_laptop> But fd0 or fd1 instead of hda1, right?
[01:26] <fxr> yeah.. is that mount applet giving you a clue as to your floppy disk id?
[01:26] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope... it only shows it as /dev/
[01:26] <fxr> ahh
[01:27] <fxr> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /floppy -t vfat
[01:28] <Kresjah_laptop> Lovely mate, lovely
[01:29] <Kresjah_laptop> Now I got the tarball, ready to start building the rt61 :D
[01:31] <fxr> its handy.. that link i posted earlier walks ye right through it..
[01:33] <Kresjah_laptop> Umm... one major problem
[01:33] <Kresjah_laptop> "Installing the necessary packages for the compilation"
[01:33] <Kresjah_laptop> And then sudo apt-get
[01:33] <Kresjah_laptop> That guide presumes you've got an internet connection up and running :s
[01:33] <fxr> mount your cd as a repo..
[01:34] <fxr> sudo apt-get cdrom add (i think) build-essential etc are on the live cd, m not hundred % sure about the alt cd tho
[01:34] <Kresjah_laptop> I have both cd's, so... :p
[01:35] <fxr> yer laughing then.. the command is sudo apt-cdrom add
[01:36] <Kresjah_laptop> There we go... added
[01:37] <Kresjah_laptop> So now I just apt-get, right?
[01:37] <fxr> spt-get update
[01:37] <fxr> the apt-get install whatever
[01:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Compiling now :)
[01:50] <Kresjah_laptop> SSID in the .dat config file refers to the ESSID, right?
[01:52] <fxr> yeah
[01:53] <fxr> here .. ve updated my kernel to 2.6.20 straight from a rebuild, how do i stop the 2.6.17.11 kernel update nag, from apt-get does anyone know?
[02:01] <Kresjah_laptop> Hmm... that didn't work
[02:02] <Kresjah_laptop> This step didn't show any ra0:
[02:02] <Kresjah_laptop> To check if the module is activated and working, you should verify that ra0 device is visible in the output of iwconfig:   $ iwconfig
[02:02] <Kresjah_laptop> I continued with the rest of the guide nevertheless
[02:02] <Kresjah_laptop> $ sudo ifup ra0     <--- that fails
[02:03] <cellofellow> anybody used fluxbox or some other lightweight window manager? I'm wondering how to set the GTK iconset. (I figured out the theme.) It's using GNOME and I'd prefer Tango.
[02:03] <Kresjah_laptop> I know it shouldn't be necessary in theory, but should I try a reboot?
[02:03] <jlamr> can anybody recommend an ssh client - I like putty on windows
[02:03] <Kresjah_laptop> putty on linux? :p
[02:04] <cellofellow> ssh
[02:04] <jlamr> Yeah, just wanted to get some opinions maybe try somethin new
[02:05] <jlamr> like the gui
[02:05] <cellofellow> putty is in the repos
[02:05] <cellofellow> !putty
[02:05] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[02:05] <cellofellow> !info putty
[02:05] <ubotu> putty: Telnet/SSH client for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.58-4 (edgy), package size 270 kB, installed size 672 kB
[02:05] <jlamr> see it says for windows, whyzat?
[02:06] <cellofellow> that's cause PuTTY is originally for Windows, but they ported it to UNIX/X
[02:07] <cellofellow> apt-get install putty
[02:07] <jlamr> ah makes sense, yeah I got that
[02:13] <Kresjah_laptop> Getting anywhere with your problems fxr?
[02:15] <fxr> .. yeah.. m getting through it. hows your rt61?
[02:16] <Kresjah_laptop> After a reboot, ra0 now shows up
[02:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Trying to get it to link with AP now
[02:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Although it doesn't seem to do that
[02:18] <Kresjah_laptop> But iwlist scan finds my ap
[02:18] <Kresjah_laptop> So it's just a matter of setting up configs correctly...
[02:19] <underdog5004> is there a reason you guys don't just ssh and fish ?
[02:20] <cellofellow> fish is konqueror
[02:20] <Kresjah_laptop> Probably just a matter of taste
[02:20] <cellofellow> what do you mean anyway?
[02:20] <Kresjah_laptop> Some prefer being racers on terminal commands, others prefer a nice point'n'click interface
[02:21] <underdog5004> you can't use fish in anything else?
[02:21] <underdog5004> there's always sftp if you wanna go CLI
[02:21] <cellofellow> gFTP does SFTP.
[02:22] <underdog5004> ah, is that a gui?
[02:22] <cellofellow> but no FTPS (SSL instead of SSH encryption.)
[02:22] <cellofellow> yes, has CLI and GTK modes.
[02:22] <underdog5004> linuxtracker.org is such a valuable resource for linux torrents!
[02:22] <underdog5004> lol, sorry for the spam...I'm d/l'ing the xubuntu alt cd right now...
[02:22] <cellofellow> thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
[02:23] <cellofellow> ok, just think b4 you type I guess. there's also #xubuntu-offtopic if you must yammer.
[02:23] <goldstein> hello .. i installed xubuntu 6.06 on a p2 with 96 RAM ... i know it is too litle, but want to give it a try. but xfce freaks out all the time.. windows appears without clicking, log out dialog appears all the time with no reason... network manager also stalls all the time.. the ram is good according to memtest.. any ideas?
[02:24] <underdog5004> might be a bad hdd
[02:24] <underdog5004> like, bad sectors in the swap partition...
[02:24] <goldstein> hum.. i see.
[02:24] <underdog5004> just throwing it out there
[02:24] <underdog5004> I'm going to go take a nice hot bath, bbl
[02:25] <goldstein> i though it was bad ram.. i had a 256 module which i removed after memtest showd some errors.. but the problems continue the same
[02:25] <jlamr> so, I got putty, cant find it in the fluxbox menus, its works when
[02:25] <jlamr> i type it in the terminal
[02:26] <cellofellow> well, um, use bbrun or something?
[02:26] <underdog5004> make a link to it from the desktop...I don't know how, of course.
[02:26] <goldstein> :/ i have no clue on waths wrong.
[02:26] <cellofellow> on ROX just drag and drop.
[02:26] <jlamr> bbrun?
[02:27] <cellofellow> it's a run-dialog program for the slit in BlackBox (bb) and Fluxbox.
[02:27] <underdog5004> how can I do that with XFCE?
[02:27] <cellofellow> underdog5004: add a launcher
[02:27] <jlamr> oh the slit, havent figured that out yet :)
[02:28] <cellofellow> jlamr: just run a windowmaker dockapp or similar program and watch it sit in the slit, which gets bigger as more dockapps populate it.
[02:29] <underdog5004> oh ok, I will learn to when I get xubuntu installed...got this damn old 4-8x drive (not sure what speed exactly)...install is taking forever!
[02:29] <cellofellow> jlamr: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/ubuntu/wiki/?FluxBox
[02:29] <cellofellow> :( that is slow.
[02:29] <jlamr> no wiki link?
[02:30] <cellofellow> what?
[02:30] <cellofellow> that's just my home website
[02:30] <goldstein> is there a way to check the sanity of a cdrom drive?
[02:30] <jlamr> oh wait that wasnt you, my bad
[02:31] <jlamr> where the slit in that pic?
[02:31] <cellofellow> the top
[02:32] <jlamr> ah nice, I still havent figured out how a to add icons to desktop....much reading to do
[02:33] <Kresjah_laptop> What on earth?!
[02:33] <cellofellow> well, I'm using ROX-Filer's Pinboard for the desktop icons.
[02:33] <Kresjah_laptop> I am now so darn close to get my wireless up and running
[02:33] <Kresjah_laptop> iwlist ra0 shows my AP and everything
[02:33] <Kresjah_laptop> My key is correct an everything
[02:33] <Kresjah_laptop> So I do an ifup ra0
[02:34] <fxr> yeah?
[02:34] <Kresjah_laptop> It does 8 DHCPDISCOVERs, where two of them end up in DHCPOFFER from the adsl router
[02:35] <Kresjah_laptop> Yet it ends up saying that no DCHPOFFERS recieved
[02:35] <Kresjah_laptop> And goes nightynighy
[02:35] <fxr> ..why dont you just give it a static address?
[02:35] <Kresjah_laptop> I could of course just do that :p
[02:36] <Kresjah_laptop> I've been fiddling with issues for so long that I've stopped seeing the obvious solutions :p
[02:37] <Kresjah_laptop> :p
[02:38] <Kresjah_laptop> I hope this rig will be more stable as a gateway than when I ran microsucks os on it
[02:39] <vidd> anyone know a quick and dirty way to get the VIA P4M800 display adapter (intigrated) to work?
[02:41] <fxr> happy days.. aye mate, i say it will, once you have it config'ed you should be able to just leave it and forget about it..
[02:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Indeed
[02:42] <Kresjah_laptop> My old windows rig seemed to get overloaded at some times, and required you to repair connection and such every now and then
[02:42] <Kresjah_laptop> Also, it has an easy interface to run it on
[02:45] <fxr> are you gonna upgrade the xubuntu software on that box..? just be aware that the new kernel 2.6.11 will 'break' rt61
[02:46] <fxr> its not a mjor prob to fix tho
[02:46] <fxr> 2.6.17.11 even
[02:47] <underdog5004> ah, that bath was so nice...I used the coconut soap my mom got me for christmas. Awesome...I feel so good right now. Oh, and I"m not gay! lol
[02:47] <vidd> *wave* underdog5004
[02:47] <underdog5004> hey, wassup?
[02:47] <underdog5004> still installing...
[02:47] <vidd> underdog5004, this is the system i tolod you about yesterday:
[02:47] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I'll make sure not to upgrade that kernel then
[02:47] <vidd> os[Linux 2.6.17-11-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.26GHz @ 2.27GHz]  mem[Physical : 439MB, 73.8% free]  disk[Total : 108.80GB, 93.00% Free]  video[VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP]  sound[] 
[02:48] <vidd> the video still dont work right
[02:48] <underdog5004> wow...umm...cool
[02:48] <underdog5004> bummer, did you try a seperate gfx card?
[02:49] <fxr> you can do the updates sudo apt-get upgrade, but avaoid sudo apt-get dist-upgrade...
[02:49] <fxr> the 2.6.20 (feisty) kernel is super fast btw : )
[02:50] <Kresjah_laptop> I tried ubuntu feisty on my laptop
[02:50] <underdog5004> vidd, why not just use some crappy old nvidia card?
[02:50] <fxr> yeah..?
[02:50] <vidd> its not like he's going to be playing graphix intensive games
[02:50] <underdog5004> vidd, why not just use some crappy old nvidia card?
[02:50] <underdog5004> that's what I'd do in that situation...
[02:50] <Kresjah_laptop> But the wireless connection gets killed due to a network manager bug
[02:50] <Kresjah_laptop> Although that was herd3
[02:51] <Kresjah_laptop> Also, people on #ubuntu didn't want to help due to using an unsupported version
[02:51] <xfrost> Who could make that quake3 run under xubuntu with sound and don't crashes after finish the first level?.
[02:51] <Kresjah_laptop> (I'm having problems with GL on this laptop you see)
[02:52] <vidd> Kresjah_laptop, what vid card?
[02:52] <fxr> right, i had a bit of messing around to gett that rt61 driver working in 2.6.20
[02:52] <Kresjah_laptop> vidd: ATI Mobility M1 (mach64 chipset).
[02:52] <fxr> that #ubuntu channel is so very busy
[02:52] <vidd> you use the open ATI driver?
[02:53] <Kresjah_laptop> It's far too old for that
[02:53] <fxr> i gave up on ATI...
[02:53] <vidd> really?
[02:53] <Kresjah_laptop> It's an 8MB card
[02:53] <Kresjah_laptop> That tells a bit about it's age
[02:53] <fxr> : )
[02:54] <Kresjah_laptop> The problem is that kernel modules aren't supplied with the OS due to some odd dri security issues or something
[02:54] <Kresjah_laptop> However, one can get them from building mesa yourself
[02:54] <Kresjah_laptop> ...which fails miserably
[02:54] <fxr> is there a command i can issue to stop x rather than the using ctrl alt f1 ?
[02:55] <vidd> isnt building mesa yourself something like moving the pyramids with a hand truck?
[02:55] <Kresjah_laptop> There have only been one person able to help me for over a months worth of requesting help... he even decided to try building it himself
[02:55] <Kresjah_laptop> So we have both a TON of extra packages installed, and it still fails
[02:56] <vidd> oh...so its like moving the pyramids with a SPOON!!!!
[02:56] <Kresjah_laptop> However, he had to go to bed at that time that day, and I haven't been able to be online at the same time as he has been after that day
[02:57] <Kresjah_laptop> Heh, yeah
[02:57] <Kresjah_laptop> Or rather... you need the "there is no spoon"-ability
[02:57] <vidd> how hard is it to specify during install that you want to use an A
[02:58] <vidd> PG card instead of the built in card?
[02:58] <underdog5004> just disable the onboard video in the BIOS
[02:58] <vidd> alright.....
[02:58] <vidd> cracking the case....AGAIN!!!!
[02:58] <underdog5004> lol
[02:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Good luck :p
[02:59] <vidd> the kid better not come to me next week saying "I want windows on this new computer"
[02:59] <underdog5004> seriously!
[03:01] <Kresjah_laptop> Heh, maybe you should have asked that kiddie about it before you continue with this madness :p
[03:01] <yendor> I have a Sound Blaster Audigy SE sound card, In xubuntu it works, but it only works out of 2 speakers and the sub, if i get the alsa drivers will it be surrond sound then, or should I leave well enough alone?
[03:01] <vidd_laptop> he wants windows, he can get the old POS back
[03:01] <yendor> Thanks in advance for any help
[03:02] <Kresjah_laptop> Hehe
[03:02] <underdog5004> yendor...so, what are you asking? are you asking what I'd do? I'd just leave well enough alone, cause I don't really care about surround sound.
[03:03] <yendor> well i mean it would be really nice if it worked with my sorround sound, is it possible?  Is it just a waste of time to try and get the alsa driver?
[03:03] <underdog5004> do what you like. If it doesn't work, seems like you can always get it back the way you had it.
[03:04] <yendor> ok, one more question if you can help me
[03:04] <underdog5004> lol, ok
[03:05] <yendor> What are the drivers that come with Xubuntu for sound? are they alsa or just standard something else?
[03:05] <underdog5004> lol, I have no idea, sorry. I would guess alsa
[03:05] <cellofellow> alsa stuff, not OSS.
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> i thought alsa WAS linux sound.....
[03:06] <vidd_laptop> =\
[03:06] <underdog5004> nope, there are other servers, although alsa is basically the standard nowadays.
[03:06] <cellofellow> it is. yendor is probably confused about it. I am too.
[03:06] <yendor> i am confused i admit
[03:06] <cellofellow> arts USES alsa, it's an abstraction layer.
[03:06] <underdog5004> oh, whoops, my bad.
[03:08] <cellofellow> what I'm confused about is how alsa uses this weird device syntax instead of /dev files.
[03:08] <underdog5004> I thought it used /dev/dsp*
[03:09] <cellofellow> that's oss.
[03:09] <yendor> so does the xubuntu come with alsa drivers?
[03:09] <cellofellow> and alsa oss emulation.
[03:09] <cellofellow> yes, yes. alsa practically IS drivers.
[03:09] <yendor> Cello, any idea how to get sorround sound working?
[03:10] <cellofellow> !surround
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <cellofellow> !alsa
[03:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:10] <cellofellow> try the Sound link
[03:11] <yendor> alright
[03:11] <Kresjah_laptop> aaaaagh! I'm on the very last step in the guide to making my two nic cards work together as a gateway
[03:11] <Kresjah_laptop> But that last step fails
[03:11] <Kresjah_laptop> I'm supposed to use this command:
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> underdog5004, i put an old Nvida card in, and now there are lines going across the screen.....
[03:12] <Kresjah_laptop> route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw ???.???.???.??? dev eth0
[03:12] <underdog5004> it's a bad card, try another one
[03:12] <Kresjah_laptop> Where the ??? ip of course is the adsl modem
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> you can read the sreen...just have the ghost lines
[03:13] <Kresjah_laptop> But I just get at SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[03:13] <fxr> u sure that 192.168.0.0 is correct
[03:13] <Kresjah_laptop> Yup, my internal network is 192.168.0.???
[03:14] <underdog5004> vidd_laptop, I've had the same problem, it's almost always the card...it may be the monitor cable though...look  for loose pins
[03:14] <Kresjah_laptop> Just running route shows that eth0 is running 192.168.0.0 network too
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> the monitor works just fine in the onboard plug
[03:15] <underdog5004> then it's the card
[03:15] <fxr> mm so what are you trying to achieve here, is this on anther pc or on your gateway pc..
[03:15] <Kresjah_laptop> This is on my gateway PC... hold on, I'll fetch you the link to the guide
[03:16] <Kresjah_laptop> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html
[03:16] <Kresjah_laptop> What an awful address :p
[03:16] <Kresjah_laptop> I've followed example 2
[03:16] <vidd_laptop> at least the onboard is auto disabled when ya plug in an apg card
[03:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Of course, in that example eth0 would become my ra0 and eth1 would become my eth0
[03:17] <fxr> yeah.. was just gonna say that.. ahh did all them ip tables cms go ok?
[03:18] <Kresjah_laptop> Yup... all of them work
[03:21] <fxr> i just dont like the look of  192.168.0.0 isnt that a reserved address or something?
[03:21] <fxr> whats the address of your router?
[03:21] <Kresjah_laptop> Maybe I've mixed up my addresses... I thought that was reserved for local network adresses just like 10.0.0.???
[03:21] <Kresjah_laptop> 10.0.0.138
[03:22] <cellofellow> use the 10.*.*.* domain then.
[03:22] <cellofellow> not the 192.168.*.*
[03:22] <Kresjah_laptop> I thought that the cards should be on seperate networks to avoid direct access
[03:23] <Kresjah_laptop> correction: ...seperate domains...
[03:23] <frankabel> how can I stop Xorg in xubuntu?
[03:23] <cellofellow> well, you could put the inside card on a 199.168.*.* network. Best thing to do would be to use 192.168.0.* for the outside net and 192.168.1.* for the subnet.
[03:23] <frankabel> I know that with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" I can stop it on gnome
[03:23] <cellofellow> same thing
[03:24] <Kresjah_laptop> Well, I can't change the IP of the internet adsl router
[03:24] <frankabel> cellofellow thanks
[03:24] <Kresjah_laptop> So I have to use the wireless card as 10.0.0.?
[03:24] <cellofellow> wait, you CAN'T change the INTERNAL IP of your router?
[03:25] <cellofellow> I can't set the EXTERNAL on mine, but the internal is no problemo.
[03:25] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope
[03:26] <cellofellow> why?
[03:26] <Kresjah_laptop> That would pose problems if the landlord (who has the router) needs to call the support from the ISP
[03:26] <Kresjah_laptop> The ISP would definately not give him support then
[03:26] <cellofellow> oh, it's not yours?
[03:26] <frankabel> cellofellow: when you say "same thing", are you talking to me?
[03:26] <cellofellow> frankabel: yes
[03:27] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope
[03:27] <Kresjah_laptop> I share connection with the landlord upstairs
[03:27] <cellofellow> Kresjah_laptop: you should be able to use a 192.168.*.* address I think. maybe 192.168.1.* instead of .....0.
[03:28] <fxr> yeah just use 192.168.10.0 like in the example
[03:28] <frankabel> cellofellow: Thanks again. When I stop and start Xorg all the GUI app that I had open like firefox etc. will be closed after restart the Xorg?
[03:28] <cellofellow> the session saver may reopen it.
[03:29] <Kresjah_laptop> Two secs, I'll try to use 10 then
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> odd.....BEFORE i log into x, i can bring up tty1, but AFTER, i cant
[03:29] <fxr> i may be wrong but i think 192.168.0.0 is outside of your routers' routing tables,
[03:30] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope, still the same error
[03:30] <Kresjah_laptop> The intersting thing is that
[03:30] <fxr> what error is it?
[03:31] <frankabel> cellofellow: so all the app are closed, and due to if I have a text editor open and restart Xorg I can lost info if I not save it first?
[03:31] <cellofellow> lost data, yes
[03:31] <Kresjah_laptop> Trying to just type route to show the routes table gives me: dest: 192.168.10.0, gw: *, mask: 255.255.255.0, flags: U, met:0 ref:0 use:0, iface: eth0
[03:32] <Kresjah_laptop> The erroris SIOCADDRT:
[03:32] <Kresjah_laptop> Ooops
[03:32] <Kresjah_laptop> I always hit the enter instead of backspace
[03:32] <frankabel> cellofellow: thanks!
[03:32] <Kresjah_laptop> I try again: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable.
[03:33] <fxr> i have a NAT prep'ed on my machine for vm sessions.. my iptables is identical except i have: sudo echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq
[03:34] <fxr> iptables script.. i dont know what it does but : s\
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> gggrrrrr, now the wifi card is dead!
[03:36] <underdog5004> did you update your kernel?
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> yeah
[03:36] <underdog5004> to 2.6.17-11?
[03:36] <underdog5004> lol
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> yeah.......
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> that a BAD thing now?
[03:36] <underdog5004> there is a fix...I can't remember what...except to use the -10 kernel...
[03:36] <fxr> what card is it?
[03:37] <underdog5004> hit ESC when Grub is loading to do that
[03:37] <fxr> rt61 rt50
[03:38] <vidd_laptop> some schmuck already uninstalled the -10......
[03:39] <underdog5004> uh...do an lspci and lets see what card you've got...
[03:39] <fxr> yeah...
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> hhhmmmmm not showing up.......
[03:39] <fxr> is it usb?
[03:39] <vidd_laptop> no
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> its pci
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> and the light is green
[03:40] <fxr> did you do anything to install it.. when you first set up ubuntu or did it just work?
[03:40] <underdog5004> hmmm
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> so it SHOULD be talking with the mobo......
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> fxr worked out of the box
[03:40] <Kresjah_laptop> Now this is really interesting
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> bang....dead box
[03:41] <fxr> vidd_laptop, search the forums, you gotto work out what module its using..
[03:41] <fxr> it used
[03:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Qoute from another site regarding the route error: The routeaddr isn't on a directly-connected network so this machine would be unable to forward packets to it
[03:42] <Kresjah_laptop> And actually, that makes sense
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> reinstall coming right up
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> its faster then reading the forums
[03:42] <fxr> ahahhaha
[03:42] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, did u do modprobes for iptables & that
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> sad but true
[03:43] <Kresjah_laptop> Seeing as I have the gateway here (with the wireless card), which connects to an access point upstairs, which in turn connects to the adsl modem (which isn't wireless)
[03:43] <Kresjah_laptop> So, that's two hops rather than one
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> i am SOOO never using MSI again
[03:43] <Kresjah_laptop> Which is, from what I've heard, a requirement for route to work
[03:44] <fxr> no if the access point is a router then its only one
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> Kreator, why not fire up the alt cd and just install a LSTP on the box?
[03:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Aww well
[03:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Pizza's ready, and GF wants to watch a movie
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> *LTSP*
[03:44] <Kresjah_laptop> So I'll be back in a few hours
[03:45] <Kresjah_laptop> Good luck to all of you, hope oyu solve your prtobs
[03:45] <fxr> hahah nice.. m gonna have to do somehing wi this gfx drivers before i hit the hay..
[03:45] <fxr> nite fella
[03:45] <j1mc> posingaspopular: you there?
[03:51] <comradec> if I want to add an item to the quicklaunch that requires u to sudo, can u add it to the quciklanch command to bring up that sudo prompt
[03:53] <underdog5004> yes
[03:53] <underdog5004> I believe so.
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Use 'gksudo'.
[03:54] <comradec> thanks that worked
[03:58] <AzRich> Anybody home?
[03:58] <underdog5004> yep
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> im not @ work....that ount>?
[03:58] <AzRich> Yep, thanks.
[03:58] <AzRich> I just installed xubuntu for the first time. I can't find anywhere to configure my wireless card, though.
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> what card ya using?
[03:59] <AzRich> Any advice where to look? it doesn't look like ubuntu did
[03:59] <underdog5004> Applications>System>Networking for a gui
[03:59] <AzRich> It's an off-brand pcmcia card that worked ok with ubuntu and puppy
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> when you instaled.....
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> did it ask for any info about it?
[04:00] <AzRich> don't think it asked for it.
[04:01] <AzRich> applications>system>network pulls up something to configure a  modem.
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> brb
[04:01] <underdog5004> ok, so it's not even detecting your card
[04:01] <underdog5004> do lspci in a terminal to see if the card is detected...
[04:01] <AzRich> ok, brb
[04:03] <AzRich> It sees the card as an Atheros Communications AR5212 80211abg NIC
[04:03] <underdog5004> is it an orinoco card?
[04:03] <AzRich> It's listed as an ethernet controller
[04:03] <jlamr> what kind of card -- brand
[04:03] <AzRich> what's an orinoco card?
[04:03] <underdog5004> just a brand
[04:04] <AzRich> I think it's brand is Atheros. Can't read it unless I remove it from the slot. Is that ok w/ xubuntu running?
[04:04] <underdog5004> yep
[04:05] <AzRich> It says Airlink 32bit wireless cardbus adapter
[04:05] <underdog5004> got a model number?
[04:06] <AzRich> awlc4030 maybe?
[04:07] <underdog5004> that'll do it, I think. H/o...It's googlin' time!
[04:08] <jlamr> took me an entire weekend to get my wireles goin
[04:09] <AzRich> this one worked great, right out of the box on ubuntu and on puppy. I wonder what's different on xubuntu?
[04:09] <underdog5004> http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility#AWLC4030
[04:09] <underdog5004> that might work...
[04:10] <underdog5004> or at least provide some info
[04:10] <AzRich> will take a look and brb
[04:10] <jlamr> does lspci show anything for 'network controller'  ?
[04:13] <AzRich> That looks like my card. I don't see anything on lpsci for network controller. Just some bridge things, CArdbus, Vga, ide, usb, and ethernet.
[04:13] <underdog5004> and you've got the card plugged in?
[04:14] <AzRich> yep, one of the 2 lites flashes occasionally.
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> AzRich, do lspcmcia
[04:15] <AzRich> socket 0 bridge [yenta cardbus] 
[04:15] <underdog5004> I'm working on my own lappy...I'm afk
[04:15] <AzRich> CArdBus card -- see lspci
[04:15] <AzRich> Socket 1 endy
[04:15] <AzRich> (empty)
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> did you have the card in when you installed XU?
[04:16] <AzRich> yep it was in the slot
[04:17] <vidd_laptop> did you do a clean install of XU or a down-and-dirty switch from ubuntu to XU?
[04:18] <AzRich> clean install from puppy
[04:18] <AzRich> that is, puppy was on the box, but I installed from a cd burned today
[04:19] <underdog5004> Ok, I tried to install the nvidia-glx-legacy driver for my nvidia Geforce2 go card, but when I get Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[04:19] <underdog5004> any ideas?
[04:20] <jlamr> AzRich, may want to have a look at the ubuntu forums - they have an entire section on wireless/networking. that's how I got my to work...finally
[04:21] <AzRich> will check it out. I'm not missing something on my network settings page, am I?
[04:21] <AzRich> It seems in ubuntu I had more menus to go to.
[04:22] <vidd_laptop> AzRich, you see my private post?
[04:23] <underdog5004> any ideas for my issue?
[04:23] <vidd_laptop> underdog5004, yeah...you have the drivers installed in the right file?
[04:24] <AzRich> vidd. I just did. let me see if I can figure it out.
[04:24] <underdog5004> I don't know, I used Synaptic
[04:24] <underdog5004> I installed nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-settings
[04:25] <vidd_laptop> what guide did you follow?
[04:25] <underdog5004> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html
[04:26] <vidd_laptop> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable gives you the error?
[04:26] <underdog5004> yessir
[04:27] <vidd_laptop> let me check the card im using.....
[04:28] <underdog5004> I'm using an old Dell Inspiron 8100
[04:28] <vidd_laptop> im using intel hardware.....
[04:29] <vidd_laptop> i need to do some stuff on this other box
[04:29] <underdog5004> Nvidia Geforce 2 go...
[04:29] <underdog5004> jsyk
[04:29] <underdog5004> k
[04:31] <vidd_laptop> =[
[04:31] <underdog5004> bummer
[04:33] <AzRich> vidd, did you see my reply?
[04:35] <vidd_laptop> no.....
[04:37] <vidd_laptop> what ya using for chat?
[04:37] <jlamr> gaim
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> jlamr, that was ment for AzRich
[04:38] <vidd_laptop> but still a good choice
[04:39] <AzRich> I'm using gaim, and I replied to the same messages you sent me
[04:39] <vidd_laptop> strange....i didnt get it
[04:40] <vidd_laptop> pong to jlamr
[04:40] <jlamr> just checking :)
[04:41] <vidd_laptop> AzRich, you use aim, msn or yahoo in gaim as well?
[04:41] <AzRich> I have used them, but not set up on this computer. I'm not sure I even remember my userid's
[04:45] <vidd_gaim> yeah i do
[04:45] <vidd_gaim> =] 
[04:45] <AzRich> vidd... I responded again. no success?
[04:45] <vidd_gaim> which vidd you send it to?
[04:45] <vidd_laptop> cuzz im both
[04:46] <AzRich> I've responded to both.  I think.
[04:46] <vidd_laptop> strange....i didnt get it either place
[04:47] <vidd_laptop> post it here
[04:47] <AzRich> ok, I don't think puppy has access to apt-get. It has its own package managers.... dotpup and petget.
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> puppy is deb based.....right?
[04:48] <vidd_laptop> it has synaptic?
[04:48] <AzRich> I left ubuntu b/c on this old hardware it was pretty slow. Puppy was fast, but to add drivers and such was a major pain. thus back to xubuntu for the smaller footprint. Some guys on here earlier suggested DSL or DSL-N
[04:49] <underdog5004> dsl is good
[04:49] <underdog5004> I like it...but it takes some getting used to
[04:49] <AzRich> I had thought so, but one of the guys at the local lug seemed to think it was more like red hat
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> AzRich, put ubuntu back on and make sure the wifi works
[04:49] <vidd_laptop> then do as i said
[04:49] <AzRich> the dotpup and petget are the only choices i know of for puppy
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> it will work like a charm
[04:50] <AzRich> I could try that, but it'll take about 6 hours to get thru the install process. Xubuntu took about 3
[04:50] <vidd_laptop> 3 hours?
[04:51] <AzRich> yeah, it spent lots of time on language packages and some anthy think
[04:51] <AzRich> thing
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> i dont know what else to tell ya
[04:52] <vidd_laptop> =[
[04:53] <vidd_laptop> rack-time for me......
[04:53] <AzRich> well, thanks. I may wind up trying yur idea. I was hoping some terminal commands could get the wireless thing to be recognized.
[04:53] <vidd_laptop> gots to get to work in the am
[04:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Err, DSL can use apt, not Puppy.  FYI, there's also the zdrv edition of Puppy, which has many more drivers included.
[04:53] <AzRich> I may try dsl before ubuntu again,
[04:54] <vidd_laptop> you can do the same trick with dsl installed
[04:54] <vidd_laptop> welll....night all
[04:54] <underdog5004> night
[04:55] <AzRich> pumpernickel, were you copying my problem?
[04:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Which problem?
[04:58] <AzRich> I have a new install of xubuntu that doesn't seem able to configure a wireless pcmcia card. Ubuntu and puppy both recognized right away. I don't even seem to have the appropriate menu items in xubuntu to configure it. the systems network menu only seems to want to build a modem connection
[04:58] <underdog5004> should I use the 9631 (new legacy) or the 7184 (legacy) for my Geforce2 go?
[05:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> underdog5004: The readme included with the 9631 driver lists the GeForce2 Go as a supported card.
[05:11] <underdog5004> very cool, thank you!
[05:29] <underdog5004> great...I just borked my xorg.conf...again...
[05:29] <underdog5004> apparently, it's missing the nvidia module. What does that mean?
[05:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Actually missing, or just a kernel/module version mismatch?
[05:31] <underdog5004> xserver error output says missing
[05:31] <underdog5004> ooh ooh, got it working
[05:31] <underdog5004> brb
[05:32] <underdog5004> YES! I have direct rendering!
[05:32] <underdog5004> One step closer
[05:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Moo... I'm back to torment you with questions again :p
[05:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Oh.. underdog5004... I envy you :p
[05:42] <Kresjah_laptop> Anyways, question goes like this:
[05:43] <BFTD> give me a good reason not to play runescape
[05:43] <underdog5004> installing xserver-xgl now...I'm in the shit!
[05:43] <underdog5004> can't wait to show all my pro-vista friends
[05:44] <underdog5004> ooh ooh, wow, aero glass is pretty advanced, huh, huh?
[05:44] <Kresjah_laptop> After fiddling with the route command failing when trying to set it up to route from my wireless card to my wired card (to give the rest of this internal network access to internet), I finally managed to add a route by using the ip route command instead...
[05:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Only issue though... it gave my entry the netmask 255.255.255.255 ... what's the ip command for changing that netmask?
[05:51] <underdog5004> how can I check which version of xfce I'm using?
[05:51] <tictacaddict> run xfce4-about
[05:52] <tictacaddict> there is a menu entry for it by default
[05:52] <tictacaddict> but you could just use that command
[05:52] <cellofellow> I don't get it. Fluxbox keeps causing X to go wacko, pegging my processor and freezing my system. Only thing that can save it any is kill -9 from ssh.
[05:52] <cellofellow> xfwm4 is fine. using xfce now.
[05:54] <cellofellow> why should this be?
[05:54] <tictacaddict> I would like to change some menu entries that are in the "--include-- system" section of my menu.  How?
[05:55] <tictacaddict> the xfce menu
[05:55] <cellofellow> that includes stuff in /usr/share/applications, which is full of .desktop launcher files.
[06:00] <tictacaddict> I'm looking there, but it does not seem to be working like I hoped.
[06:01] <tictacaddict> If I change the exec= line from audacity to "aoss audacity" or "xmessage hey it changed" it still seems to launch audacity as usual
[06:03] <tictacaddict> hmm, I think maybe I have to restart the menu for it to notice changes in the files
[06:03] <tictacaddict> because I did that, and then it worked
[06:04] <tictacaddict> so, hey.  success. thanks, cellofellow
[06:08] <underdog5004> fuck.
[06:08] <underdog5004> Beryl is killin' me
[06:09] <underdog5004> I don't get any effects, and Beryl Manager blanks my screen white, Beryl Manager Config messes up my screen (corruption, looks like), and I just want a cool desktop cube!
[06:11] <underdog5004>  /rant!
[06:15] <gop> hello, after using envy script and rebooting know I am stuck atfer the reboot with black screen no video
[06:16] <gop> is thier any fix
[06:16] <underdog5004> lol, try alt+F1
[06:17] <underdog5004> that'll drop you down to a CLI
[06:17] <gop> right I did
[06:17] <gop> it didn't
[06:17] <gop> drop me to tty 1 or    what not
[06:17] <underdog5004> then you can run envy again, with a different driver.
[06:17] <gop> k right know I am in rescue mode (safe mode)
[06:17] <gop> I will give it in rescue mode a second chance
[06:18] <gop> so try and    run  envy again
[06:18] <gop> brb
[06:31] <Kresjah_laptop> Back
[06:31] <Kresjah_laptop> After fiddling with the route command failing when trying to set it up to route from my wireless card to my wired card (to give the rest of this internal network access to internet), I finally managed to add a route by using the ip route command instead... Only issue though... it gave my entry the netmask 255.255.255.255 ... what's the ip command for changing that netmask?
[06:32] <cellofellow> !netmask
[06:32] <ubotu> netmask: helps determine network masks. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.7 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 84 kB
[06:32] <cellofellow> :/
[06:36] <rimmington> !xfce4
[06:36] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.90.2 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[06:40] <monday> how well does Xubuntu run on a G3?
[06:41] <Kresjah_laptop> It runs decently at my P2 266MHz
[06:41] <Kresjah_laptop> With 128 megs of ram
[06:42] <monday> but I mean, I want it to use the airport card and all
[06:42] <Kresjah_laptop> That I don't know much about
[06:43] <monday> ok
[06:43] <monday> brb
[07:14] <j1mc> xubuntu testing pages are up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[07:14] <j1mc> help us test the nightly releases prior to Herd 5.  :)
[07:29] <neighborlee> hi,,is there a way to get games added via synaptic to show up in menu..I can add my own game menu , but I thought if there was some other way.....
[07:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> A games menu should be included automatically if any of the installed files have an appropriate .desktop file.  Several, unfortunately, don't have one set up that way.
[07:34] <neighborlee> ah ok
[07:38] <neighborlee> thx
[07:58] <truent> hrmph
[07:58] <truent> hope xubuntu loads up better than this ubuntu disc
[07:58] <truent> 128mb ram just doesnt cut it :p
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> You using the live cd?
[07:59] <truent> yeah
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Well
[07:59] <truent> writing the xubuntu one now
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> I'm sitting at a P2 266 MHz behind me, with 128 MB ram
[08:00] <truent> running xubuntu?
[08:00] <Kresjah_laptop> It chokes and almost dies using the live cd (or rather, it dies if I attempt to install)
[08:00] <truent> yeah
[08:00] <Kresjah_laptop> However, the alternate install did the trick for me
[08:00] <truent> ahh
[08:00] <Kresjah_laptop> After installing with the alt install cd, it runs much faster than windows did ;)
[08:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The LiveCD install requires >192MB.
[08:01] <truent> yeah i saw that
[08:01] <truent> welp downloading the alt install now
[08:01] <truent> burning the normal one
[08:01] <truent> ;P
[08:02] <Kresjah_laptop> ffs, webmin doesn't log in
[08:18] <Kresjah_laptop> Anyone who can help me out setting my xubuntu up as a gateway?
[09:24] <spartacus> hey all. is there an xubuntu specific faq anywhere? specifically, i'm wondering how closely it follows ubuntu (gnome) releases, and if beryl is supported while using xfce?
[09:25] <posingaspopular> spartacus: beryl works in xfce iirc
[09:26] <spartacus> posingaspopular, sounds good. so it is indeed really "just" a window manager swap then?
[09:26] <posingaspopular> umm not sure, i havent really messsed aroudn with it too much myself, its on the 'to do' list
[09:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah, that's it.
[09:28] <spartacus> cheers. i'll scope out a few vids that are on metacalf and youtube and see if i can sell it to the gf
[09:30] <posingaspopular> spartacus: well that should be easy
[09:30] <posingaspopular> it spanks Aero easily
[09:30] <posingaspopular> from what ive seen of the two
[09:30] <posingaspopular> plus you can make the cube spin around
[09:31] <spartacus> the real question is whether it spanks xgl on sled 10... i have the spinning cube on my notebook too :-)
[09:31] <posingaspopular> im not too sure, ive only used xgl once or twice, and beryl nonce
[09:31] <posingaspopular> so...
[09:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It can, although the current configuration tools for Beryl are a bit spastic.
[09:34] <spartacus> fair enough. the long story is that she's got ATI 3D graphics on her notebook, and likes Linux, but it's an older machine (P4 + 512MB though) so Ubuntu (or maybe OpenSuSE) looks good. I thought the XFCE version looked even better though, because it should be faster on the desktop... Will have to try both and find out I guess. Spastic config tools shouldn't be an issue - it'll likely be set and forget.
[09:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> True enough.
[10:03] <zoidberg> hey guys
[10:04] <zoidberg> i just installed xubuntu on this old g3 powerbook
[10:04] <zoidberg> it doesnt have much ram 64 mb....so xubuntu is great
[10:04] <zoidberg> i was wondering
[10:04] <zoidberg> how can i get the cool transparent terminal that everyone has
[10:04] <zoidberg> ?
[10:05] <zoidberg> can anyone help me here?
[10:06] <zoidberg> hey
[10:06] <zoidberg> is anyone awake
[10:06] <zoidberg> ?
[10:17] <posingaspopular> zoidberg: im awake but i duno
[10:20] <zoidberg> posingaspopular, thats cool
[10:20] <zoidberg> posingaspopular, i figured it out
[10:20] <zoidberg> hey posingaspopular
[10:20] <posingaspopular> hmm?
[10:21] <zoidberg> in my g3 powerbook i should be able to connect with another monitor do you know how to enable it
[10:21] <posingaspopular> nope! i need to start playing around with xubuntu more myself
[10:23] <zoidberg> posingaspopular, do u need a good ipod application for xubuntu
[10:24] <zoidberg> posingaspopular, do u know of a good ipod application for xubuntu
[10:24] <zoidberg> ?
[10:24] <posingaspopular> uhh you mean that plays ipods?
[10:24] <posingaspopular> erm yea
[10:24] <zoidberg> yeah
[10:24] <posingaspopular> i understand the question
[10:24] <posingaspopular> i dont remember the name though
[10:25] <posingaspopular> :/ i need to pay more attention in here
[10:46] <piro_> hey i am trying to install xfce from kubuntu and i can't figure out what package it is..is it just xfce4?
[10:48] <piro_> nm
[10:58] <RememberPOL> Where can I access mouse sensitivity?
[10:59] <RememberPOL> I see threshold and acceleration, but I want to modify the speed of my cursor with zero acceleration..
[11:40] <lesshaste> how do I configure automatic updates?  it tells me that I can check for updates automatically in software sources in the internet updates tab. I can't see any such tab..
[11:52] <sylverfox> hi
[11:54] <sylverfox> anyone here?
[11:54] <posingaspopular> barely
[11:55] <posingaspopular> lesshaste: sorry i duno the answer
[11:55] <posingaspopular> sylverfox: need help?
[11:55] <sylverfox> posingaspopular: can you help me please<
[11:55] <sylverfox> ?
[11:55] <posingaspopular> !ask
[11:55] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:55] <sylverfox> ok
[11:56] <sylverfox> i'm interested if you can run programs as OpenOffice.org
[11:56] <sylverfox> under XFCE
[11:56] <sylverfox> i used KDE and Gnome before
[11:56] <posingaspopular> im pretty sure open office works in XFCE
[11:56] <sylverfox> now i'm downloading Xubuntu
[11:57] <posingaspopular> sylverfox: yea everything im finding seems to indicate OOo working under XFCE
[11:57] <sylverfox> what mediaplayer you think is better under xfce?
[11:57] <gpocentek> you can use any program available in the archive with Xfce
[11:58] <gpocentek> s/available in the archive//
[11:58] <sylverfox> i have an older machine and i need to use xfce
[11:58] <sylverfox> i dont have enough RAM
[11:58] <sylverfox> does it work well with just 128 RAM?
[11:58] <posingaspopular> yes
[11:58] <sylverfox> great
[11:58] <posingaspopular> i think 128 is the min
[11:58] <sylverfox> ;-)
[11:59] <sylverfox> it shows 64 on the website
[11:59] <posingaspopular> k
[11:59] <sylverfox> i tried Ubuntu but it crashed
[11:59] <sylverfox> didn't work with 128
[12:00] <posingaspopular> ah yea
[12:00] <posingaspopular> i just got a new computer
[12:00] <posingaspopular> that im going to run xubuntu/beryl on
[12:00] <posingaspopular> and use that as a demo machine, so that i can convince people at my school that ubuntu rocks
[12:00] <posingaspopular> my guess is that xfce will run uber fast
[12:01] <sylverfox> ok thanks
[12:01] <posingaspopular> np at all
[12:01] <sylverfox> what videoplayer do you use?
[12:01] <posingaspopular> VLC
[12:01] <sylverfox> i have some movies in .avi can i play thoes too?
[12:02] <posingaspopular> yes
[12:02] <sylverfox> i used Mplayer
[12:02] <sylverfox> great
[12:02] <posingaspopular> you need to change the multimedia codecs, but it's easy
[12:02] <sylverfox> does VLC have a playlist?
[12:02] <posingaspopular> ummm i dont remember
[12:02] <sylverfox> or should i use a different audio player
[12:02] <posingaspopular> oh for audio i always used amorak
[12:02] <sylverfox> is not what you recomend?
[12:03] <posingaspopular> duno if that works in xfce
[12:03] <sylverfox> does amaroK play MP3?
[12:03] <posingaspopular> yes
[12:03] <posingaspopular> again
[12:03] <posingaspopular> you have to change the codecs
[12:03] <posingaspopular> but its easy
[12:03] <posingaspopular> and mp3 will work
[12:03] <sylverfox> ok
[12:03] <sylverfox> tnx
[12:03] <posingaspopular> np
[12:04] <posingaspopular> any more questions?
[12:04] <sylverfox> good to find such a place where you can find answers so easy
[12:04] <sylverfox> not for the moment
[12:04] <posingaspopular> (im trying to avoid a rewrite of a poem right now)
[12:04] <sylverfox> all i had to ask i did
[12:04] <posingaspopular> k
[12:04] <sylverfox> thx again
[12:04] <sylverfox> bye all
[12:05] <posingaspopular> bye
[01:05] <ahuxley> hi all
[01:05] <posingaspopular> hey ahuxley nice nick
[01:06] <ahuxley> anyone using parallels?
[01:07] <lesshaste> how do I configure automatic updates?  it tells me that I can check for updates automatically in software sources in the internet updates tab. I can't see any such tab..
[01:08] <lesshaste> hi tripppy
[01:09] <ahuxley> ifconfig shows an eth0 ip as 58.160.214.236
[01:09] <ahuxley> But that seems wrong
[01:09] <ahuxley> and I have no networking
[01:11] <ahuxley> the dns servers are 61.9.226.
[01:11] <tripppy> hi
[01:11] <tripppy> whats a good app for webcam;s and blogs/ftp's?
[01:12] <lesshaste> is there a plf repository for edgy?
[01:21] <ahuxley> http://www.users.on.net/~mark/Network.jpg
[01:21] <ahuxley> http://www.users.on.net/~mark/ifconfig.jpg
[01:23] <ahuxley> anyone have any suggestions?
[01:35] <tripppy> ahuxley, reboot
[02:08] <Alzi2_> Hmm.. i seem to like xfce, it does everything i need it to do, while being fast and not getting in my way. But, the recommended apps... i can't install them on Ubuntu. How should i get some of those?
[02:11] <grazie> Alzi2: what recommended apps?
[02:15] <Alzi2> grazie, http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps
[02:16] <Alzi2> Missing apps: Deluge, claws mail, kazehakase, asunder, bmpx, exaile!, gimmiz, gimmage, mirage, gfa, squeeze.
[02:16] <hyper_ch> Alzi2: don't worry about those recommended apps... that's all subjective... I generlly take those apps that I am most confortable with... in my case there's quite a bundle of kde appz
[02:18] <grazie> Alzi2: you can try searching Synaptic, but not all the apps are in the repos. For example I use deluge installed from a .deb and audacious built from source.
[02:19] <grazie> Alzi2: if there's a particular app you want and can't find we can give some pointers
[02:20] <Alzi2_> okay
[02:20] <Alzi2_> let me name the apps i want:
[02:21] <Alzi2> claws mail, deluge, a good lightweight browser, LIGHTWEIGHT, not like firefox, pyNeighborhood, exaile!, gfa, squeeze
[02:22] <grazie> Alzi2: using the bot can be useful...
[02:23] <grazie> !deluge | Alzi2
[02:23] <ubotu> Alzi2: deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information
[02:23] <Alzi2> !exaile
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exaile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <Alzi2> !claws mail
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about claws mail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <grazie> Alzi2: you can the bot using '/msg ubotu !topic'
[02:24] <Alzi2> !lightweight
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lightweight - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <Alzi2> !gfa
[02:24] <Alzi2> !squeeze
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gfa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squeeze - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:24] <Alzi2> well..
[02:24] <Alzi2> perhaps not THAT useful
[02:25] <grazie> Alzi2: it takes a while to get to know the keywords
[02:27] <grazie> Alzi2: for example '!sylpheed' rather than '!claws mail'
[02:28] <Alzi2> claws mail is not sylpheed
[02:28] <Alzi2> www.claws-mail.org
[02:30] <grazie> ok my my mistake
[02:31] <Alzi2> i solved the claws mail problem :)
[02:31] <Alzi2> now for deluge and that browser
[02:32] <grazie> !Kazehakase | Alz
[02:32] <ubotu> alz: kazehakase: gecko based web browser using GTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.8-2 (edgy), package size 730 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[02:33] <Alzi2> it's in the repos?!
[02:33] <grazie> Alzi2: yes, you have enable universe. I think I tried it and wasn't that impressed
[02:33] <Alzi2> it's gonna install mozilla too..
[02:34] <Alzi2> is that worth it?
[02:34] <grazie> Alzi2: dillo is very light but ....
[02:36] <Alzi2> What's so good about kahekaze/
[02:36] <Alzi2> ?
[02:38] <Alzi2> !music
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about music - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <Alzi2> !player
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <SatanGolga> Can anyone tell me how to run 'fvwm-themes-start' at boot or so it'll be available under the Sessions-menu at the logn window? tried to put the line in a created ~/.xsession but nothing happens at boot, thanks
[03:04] <Ramunas> hello, can anybody tell me how to reset my panels to default settings?
[03:07] <SatanGolga> ok, nevermind, i edited a .desktop file, thx
[03:22] <Ramunas> hello again, how do I make terminal 0.2.6 to use system default font?
[03:57] <Soccer5555> all my items on my desktop are gone
[03:57] <Soccer5555> and the design on the desktop is gone too
[03:57] <Soccer5555> it is just blue
[03:58] <Soccer5555> can anybody help me
[03:59] <grazie> Soccer5555: Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings. Check the 'Allow Xfce to manage your desktop'
[04:00] <Soccer5555> thanks that did it
[04:00] <grazie> Soccer5555: it is a known bug. You will need to repeat this occassionally
[04:00] <Soccer5555> oh
[04:00] <Soccer5555> ill have to remember that then
[04:20] <fxr> i cant connect to my samba shares on my pc.. i know it works cause i can access them with a WINPC.. what stuff do i need to install on a xubuntu box to access remote samba shares?
[04:20] <fxr> i know my samba server works*
[04:23] <grazie> fxr: how are you trying to access the shares?
[04:25] <fxr> im trying to your mount commands sudo mount //192.168.1.2/Myfiles blahblah..
[04:25] <fxr> is there other methods?
[04:25] <fxr> to use*
[04:27] <fxr> its possible m not getting the syntax of my mount command right.. but ve tried a load of different things
[04:27] <fxr> says "special device doesnt exist"
[04:27] <grazie> fxr: people try to use thunar without success. linNeigborhood and pyNeigborhood can be used
[04:30] <grazie> fxr: this may be a good reference >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=xubuntu
[04:32] <fxr> ok.. thanks.. ll have a walk through that..
[05:03] <shadowhywind> hay all, I just installed xubuntu by the alternitive cd. And having some issues
[05:04] <shadowhywind> When ever i boot the comp up. I will get the text login screen for a few seconds and the monitor will turn off. Any ideas?
[05:11] <neighborlee> printer add wizard isn't seeing my USB port, and wondering how to get around this so I can add my usb printer ? ;)
[05:12] <hyper_ch> neighborlee: is your printer connected and if so, what is the output of   lsusb ?
[05:13] <neighborlee> let me turn off and on again
[05:13] <neighborlee> retrying
[05:14] <neighborlee> well thats odd
[05:14] <neighborlee> printer dialogue starts for a split second or so..then exists
[05:14] <neighborlee> how do I run from cli
[05:15] <grazie> shadowhywind: what version of xubuntu?
[05:17] <neighborlee> system-config-printer wont work, assuming that is what needs run from cli
[05:17] <neighborlee> I get:  ( after several seeming line errors) IndexError: list index out of range
[05:17] <neighborlee> hyper_ch, any idea ?
[05:18] <neighborlee> hyper_ch, btw: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:3a11 Hewlett-Packard OfficeJet 5510 < seems fine
[05:18] <hyper_ch> !printer
[05:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:19] <neighborlee> hyper_ch, so I take it you have no clue then ;)
[05:19] <neighborlee> fine..
[05:19] <hyper_ch> hpijs/hpoj
[05:19] <hyper_ch> those drivers should work
[05:20] <neighborlee> the printer config wont even come up
[05:20] <neighborlee> so atm, no it wont ;)
[05:20] <neighborlee> it appears briefly, then exists
[05:22] <neighborlee> ill try hp-setup
[05:22] <hyper_ch> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html
[05:23] <neighborlee> thats not what I meant originally..for some reason the 'printer' option from 'xfcemenu>settings' wont fire
[05:24] <neighborlee>  it did  originally now it wont
[05:24] <neighborlee> it exists too fast to see any errors
[05:52] <neighborlee> welll if no one knows ill have to stop using this.I need this printer to work or its a huge moot point to trying this any longer
[05:53] <neighborlee> no offense, I just need a working printer badly and not techie enough to do it without help..and I have googled btw for help but I see nothing relevant to my current issue
[05:53] <Alzi2> Anyone know a good distro for someone who doesn't want to spend a lot of time with his pc, but just make sure it works, and is fast? With ubuntu, a lot of maintenence is required. I don't want that! I want to get on with my life! So, please, name the perfect distro for me. (Windows won't work for me, it's illegal and many things don't work, and i don't have the money to buy the legal one)
[05:53] <neighborlee> xubuntu is nice and light at least which is nice..maybe too light ? ;)
[05:54] <neighborlee> Alzi2, what maintenance ;)
[05:54] <neighborlee> buntu doesn't have that much maintenance I dont think really..if you hate maintenance dont try gentoo ;))
[05:54] <Alzi2> neighborlee, Updating, installing packages, switching desktop environments every time (although that's my fault - the pc keeps getting slow)
[05:54] <neighborlee> wwwwwwwwhat is illegal about windows ??
[05:55] <Alzi2> that i'm using the illegal one :P
[05:55] <neighborlee> updating is necessary even in windows <
[05:55] <neighborlee> ahhhhhh
[05:55] <neighborlee> gotcha
[05:55] <neighborlee> well
[05:55] <neighborlee> if you aren't liking ubuntu
[05:56] <neighborlee> you might try PClinuxOS
[05:56] <SatanGolga> apt-get upgrade  :)
[05:56] <neighborlee> seems to have most things working out of box anyway from what ive seen,,has livecd-installer like ubuntu..
[05:57] <neighborlee> Alzi2, updating in ubuntu is automagic though so im not sure what your getting at with regards to this maintenance thing
[05:58] <grazie> Alzi2: I don't of any distro at the moment that would meet your exacting stardands
[05:59] <Kresjah_laptop> I still can't get my xubuntu working as a gateway
[05:59] <grazie> Alzi2: low maintenance usually means heavy, light usually means a bit of effort
[06:00] <Alzi2> heavy stuffs are really slow on my pc
[06:03] <grazie> Alzi2: alternative xfce distros are dreamlinux, sam, zenwalk (possibily the lightest)...none of these meet your requirements off the shelf
[06:11] <neighborlee> Alzi2, if your PC is old and slow therefore..you might just like puppylinux
[06:12] <neighborlee> Alzi2, atm, its even LESS hand holding overall than ubuntu but it is very fast and light on its feet ;)
[06:13] <Alzi2> neighborlee, Specs: Motherboard: PCChips M811LU, Processor: AMD Athlon 2800+, Memory: 512MB DDR RAM, Videocard: ATI Radeon 9250 Excalibur
[06:13] <neighborlee> Alzi2, but then so its fluxbox speaking of all things light.however puppylinux from what ive seen blows them all away
[06:14] <neighborlee> well thats enough to easily run most average -light desktops..gnome would be a tad sluggish most likely as it is even for me with a gig of ram and a  amd64 3200+ and PCIE architecture with a nvidia 6800 XT gpu
[06:15] <neighborlee> and a sataII 320 GB 16MB cached segate barracuda harddrive ;)
[06:15] <neighborlee> gnome is just slow
[06:17] <neighborlee> on the other hand
[06:19] <Kresjah_laptop> Did you just say that ubuntu was slow on your athlon 2800+?
[06:22] <Kresjah_laptop> I kinda find that quote interesting
[06:22] <Kresjah_laptop> Seeing as I'm running ubuntu on my laptop, and consider it reasonably fast
[06:22] <Kresjah_laptop> And that's a PIII Mobile 650/500 with 256 MB ram
[06:23] <Kresjah_laptop> So I can't possibly imagine how ubuntu can run slow with those specs
[06:32] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: I know about wifi, but you did seem to be using to some odd ip addresses
[06:32] <grazie> s/know/know nothing/
[06:37] <Kresjah_laptop> grazie: I even tried setting both cards to the 10.0.0.x domain, with no success even then
[06:38] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: yeah, but you were using 192.168.0.0 with mask 255.255.255.0
[06:39] <Kresjah_laptop> I've switched to 192.168.10.x as in the guide
[06:39] <Kresjah_laptop> Anyways, regardless of domain, I've failed miserably every time
[06:39] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.0.255 would be reserved....cannot be used in the config files
[06:40] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok
[06:40] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: : same would then apply to 192.168.10.0 and 192.168.10.255
[06:41] <Kresjah_laptop> That should be valid local IPs
[06:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Even the guide that's supposed to work uses that domkain
[06:43] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: the domain 192.168.10.x is fine. the id's of x.x.x.0 and x.x.x.255 are not fine
[06:43] <Kresjah_laptop> None of the machines are set to 0 or 255
[06:44] <Kresjah_laptop> The reason the command uses 0 is because it indicates that it should apply to the whole netyrather than a specific address
[06:45] <grazie> i seem to recall you  trying to set the gateway to 192.168.0.0
[06:46] <Kresjah_laptop> No
[06:46] <Kresjah_laptop> Umm
[06:46] <Kresjah_laptop> If you look at the guide
[06:46] <fxr> are you still fighting away there? Kresjah_laptop?
[06:47] <Kresjah_laptop> My eth0 equivalent would have 10.0.0.128 as it's ip, and the eth1 equivalent would be 192.168.10.1. My ISPs gateway would be 10.0.0.138
[06:47] <fxr> here why cant i create an ext3 partition with parted?
[06:47] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: That, and mesa on my laptop at the same time
[06:48] <Kresjah_laptop> Have no clue fxr
[06:49] <fxr> i think that second nic so be on a different subnet and have an address like 192.168.100.1
[06:49] <fxr> or 192.168.10.1 or whatever
[06:50] <Kresjah_laptop> As said, the two nic's are on different subnets
[06:50] <Kresjah_laptop> Which is what the guide also presumes
[06:50] <fxr> yeah with the .1 for the second nic (first nic ra0)
[06:50] <fxr> ??
[06:51] <fxr> eth1 = 192.168.x.1
[06:51] <fxr> how are you give eth1 its address? is it up?
[06:51] <fxr> givin*
[06:52] <Kresjah_laptop> ra0 = guides eth0 = 10.0.0.128 = Internet on the gateway server
[06:52] <Kresjah_laptop> eth0 = guide's eth1 = 192.168.10.1 = Can ping the other machines in the internal network (which doesn't get internet)
[06:52] <Kresjah_laptop> Static assignment
[06:53] <fxr> so which one is responible for the internet connection.. m unclear...
[06:54] <fxr> is ra0?
[06:54] <Kresjah_laptop> ra0
[06:54] <fxr> yeah ok..
[06:54] <fxr> so why do u have 10.0.0.128 as the address of the NIC
[06:54] <fxr> eth1
[06:54] <fxr> ?
[06:55] <fxr> oh 10.0.0.128 is your local network .. i see
[06:55] <Kresjah_laptop> No
[06:55] <fxr> ahh
[06:55] <Kresjah_laptop> ra0 is the internet nic, which connects to the router that is 10.0.0.138 (which  can't change IP of)
[06:56] <Kresjah_laptop> eth0 is the local network nic
[06:58] <fxr> ok i see.. and eth0 = 192.168.10.1
[06:58] <fxr> ?
[06:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Yup
[06:59] <Kresjah_laptop> And just for the sake of understanding
[06:59] <Kresjah_laptop> The machine I want internet through the gateway on 'on is 192.168.10.3
[07:00] <fxr> is eth0 up.. ? how & where did you give eth0 its ip address?
[07:01] <fxr> -------------------------------------------> how do i create an ext3 partition in xubunutu?
[07:02] <grazie> fxr: same as any other distro... :)
[07:03] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I set it up as a static ip in the  networking settings of xubuntu (gui). And it's up. 192.168.10.1 and 192.168.10.3 can ping each other
[07:04] <fxr> grazie by editing my fstab.. why cant i create an ext3 partition with parted.. is their a utility im missing?
[07:05] <fxr> ok Kresjah_laptop,what netmask has it got?
[07:05] <kristjans> me?
[07:05] <kristjans> netmask?:P
[07:05] <fxr> : )
[07:06] <kristjans> where do i find that?
[07:06] <kristjans> terminal?
[07:06] <fxr> Terminal
[07:06] <kristjans> what command?
[07:06] <kristjans> it's
[07:06] <fxr> yeah capital T
[07:07] <kristjans> not the first time i've heard that, but i've never bothered to read more about what it is
[07:07] <kristjans> yes, but what command in the terminal:D
[07:07] <Kresjah_laptop> They have all got the netmask 255.255.255.0
[07:07] <kristjans> :D okay i've have it same i guess
[07:07] <kristjans> thought you mispelled my name
[07:07] <grazie> fxr: if parted (or gparted) isn't working you must not be using it quite right
[07:08] <fxr> no option to create ext3?? with parted & qtparted, maybe m missing a library?
[07:08] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, did you issue these commands to load iptables sudo modprobe ip_tables ??
[07:10] <fxr> and then sudo modprobe iptable_nat
[07:12] <grazie> fxr: create partition of type linux and then format using mkfs.ext3. gparted does this automatically
[07:12] <Kresjah_laptop> Hmm
[07:12] <Kresjah_laptop> Hold on then, and I'll do that modprobing
[07:13] <Kresjah_laptop> There,, modprobing done... shall I try that command from the guide again?
[07:14] <fxr> u have a script with these lines in dont you? echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:14] <fxr> cheers grazie
[07:15] <Kresjah_laptop> I don't have a script with that in... I just wrote it in the cmdline
[07:16] <fxr> right issue the two commands again,. yoour probaly better putting them into a script in the long run
[07:16] <Jester45> Hello everyone
[07:16] <Jester45> what are you tring to do
[07:16] <fxr> or is there 3
[07:17] <Kresjah_laptop> Which two commands?
[07:18] <fxr> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward & sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ra0 -j MASQUERADE
[07:18] <fxr> ra0 eth1
[07:20] <Jester45> and why are you putting it in a script? do you have to run it at each boot
[07:21] <fxr> yeah thats what i m thinkin he will be doing in the long run...
[07:21] <fxr> got that sorted grazie, thanks.. x3 : )
[07:22] <Jester45> make the script then mark it to run each boot
[07:23] <grazie> fxr: np
[07:24] <Enigma_Man> Hello
[07:24] <Kresjah_laptop> Hmm
[07:24] <Kresjah_laptop> Let's see
[07:24] <Kresjah_laptop> You saying that those commands I typed from the guide
[07:24] <Kresjah_laptop> They won't stick after reboot? None of them?
[07:26] <Jester45> Kresjah_laptop: well if you would need to run them each time then the best way to go is make a script but if the commands stay then it will be fine
[07:27] <fxr> no.. they wont, Kresjah_laptop .. they manipulate open process i think
[07:27] <Enigma_Man> would this be an appropriate place to ask about DVD-playback issues?
[07:27] <grazie> Enigma_Man: using xubuntu?
[07:27] <Enigma_Man> Yes
[07:28] <grazie> Enigma_Man: absolutely :)
[07:28] <Enigma_Man> nice :)
[07:28] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok, the two commands have been run
[07:28] <Kresjah_laptop> What now?
[07:28] <Enigma_Man> well, DVD playback works, I'm using gxine because afaik that is the only player that supports DVD menus at the moment
[07:29] <Enigma_Man> my issue is with interlacing
[07:29] <fxr> hahh good question, whats the next step in your process?
[07:29] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop,
[07:30] <Enigma_Man> if I select the "use_vo_driver" option in deinterlacing options, it does deinterlace, but I only get what appears to get 320x200 pixels... which is no fun and looks really grainy
[07:30] <Jester45> fxr: if he needs to run it every time a script would be nice
[07:30] <grazie> Enigma_Man: mplayer?
[07:30] <Enigma_Man> the other deinterlacing options appear to have no effect, though I have not exhausted every possibility yet.
[07:31] <Enigma_Man> grazie: mplayer works also with the same 320x200 issues when I use the deinterlacing command-line option that works
[07:31] <Enigma_Man> also, I like having DVD menus
[07:31] <Kresjah_laptop> Guessing the next step is to try the route again
[07:32] <fxr> hang on, try that now on the other pc.. you wanna connect to internet wi..
[07:32] <fxr> i dont know how relevant that route add is..
[07:32] <Kresjah_laptop> What, try the same commands on the other machine?
[07:32] <grazie> Enigma_Man: I don't know app you're using, but even if I did, I'm not sure I could help
[07:33] <Kresjah_laptop> Or try to connect to the net?
[07:33] <Enigma_Man> grazie, I'm using gxine, which I believe just came with a default xubuntu install
[07:33] <Enigma_Man> thanks though :)
[07:34] <fxr> try connecting to the internet..
[07:34] <fxr> send us that link your gateway doc again pls..
[07:34] <Jester45> i think they should of left xfmedia and fixed the video playback on it
[07:34] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok... hold on... it's in the middle of booting (I hadn't put that machine on the whole day)
[07:34] <Kresjah_laptop> Two secs then
[07:34] <fxr> maybe to you add the route to the other pc...
[07:34] <Kresjah_laptop> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html
[07:35] <Enigma_Man> I am/was a big fan of mplayer, which I use on my desktop, but this machine is supposed to be for the rest of my family, so I want stuff to "just work" as easily as possible :) so far (x)ubuntu has been excellent in that regard
[07:35] <fxr> now whats the ipconfig on the other pc.. ?
[07:36] <fxr> you said it was 192.168.10.3 am i right?
[07:36] <fxr> whats the gateway? ist should be 192.168.10.1 (sorry if m goin over the same ground)
[07:37] <Kresjah_laptop> The other machine (with XP) is running at 192.168.10.3, with it's gateway set to 192.168.10.1
[07:38] <fxr> yeah.. well it *should* work.. now..
[07:38] <Kresjah_laptop> And there is no internet there
[07:38] <Kresjah_laptop> But there is no route you know
[07:39] <Kresjah_laptop> Let's see here... how do I set up a bash script (and for that matter, run itL?)
[07:39] <fxr> creat a file starting #!/bin/sh
[07:39] <fxr> enter your commands//
[07:40] <fxr> save it as myfile
[07:40] <Jester45> or #!/bin/bash/
[07:40] <fxr> yeah chmod a+x ./myfile
[07:40] <fxr> ./myfile
[07:41] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, what dns servers is on that other pc..?
[07:41] <fxr> have you set it up?
[07:43] <Kresjah_laptop> Nope. Haven't set that up... although I can't even ping the IP of the adsl modem from 192.168.10.3, so that should rule out DNS as the issue
[07:43] <fxr> just set it up..
[07:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Then I need to know how to do that :p
[07:44] <fxr> whats the IP of the ADSL modem
[07:44] <fxr> ?
[07:44] <brent> anyone here to help a newb?
[07:44] <Kresjah_laptop> Waitwaitwait
[07:44] <Kresjah_laptop> WAITWAITWAIT
[07:44] <Kresjah_laptop> I THINK I'VE GOT NET
[07:44] <Jester45> brent: i could try
[07:45] <brent> i dl the live cd xubuntu
[07:45] <brent> when it loads the login prompt, it says that it will login in 10 sec
[07:46] <brent> ill let it do that, it will login and the Firefox icon appears, after that it logs out again
[07:46] <brent> and asks me 4 username and pass which i dont got
[07:46] <brent> any idea?
[07:46] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr... you are my hero
[07:46] <Kresjah_laptop> The only difference I can think of having done is the modprobeing
[07:46] <grazie> brent: which version of xubuntu?
[07:47] <Jester45> brent: ok hold on
[07:47] <brent> latest
[07:47] <grazie> brent: feisty?
[07:47] <brent> 6.10 if im not mistaken
[07:47] <brent> im afraid i dont know what that is ;)
[07:48] <grazie> brent: that's edgy....looks like Jester45 knows about this
[07:48] <fxr> ha.. sorted happy days.. : D
[07:48] <Kresjah_laptop> I'm damn happy now
[07:48] <Kresjah_laptop> I know I've asked for a lot of help (and recieved), but would you help me with some very last touching up?
[07:50] <grazie> brent: have you checked the cd from the menu?
[07:51] <brent> yes, no faults
[07:51] <brent> even  burned it at 20x to make sure of that
[07:51] <fxr> hahah mate if i can ll help..
[07:51] <Kresjah_laptop> Basically just helping me remember the steps for setting it to sticking when rebooting, and a quick guide on how to set up some ports with nat on the gateway
[07:51] <Jester45> brent: just so you know many people burn cds at 10x or less
[07:52] <grazie> brent: same thing every time? 20x is quite fast
[07:52] <Kresjah_laptop> I burn most of my cd's at 4x or 8x
[07:52] <Kresjah_laptop> Depending a bit on the importance of the cd
[07:52] <brent> really, that it was quite slow, since its a 52 cd
[07:52] <Kresjah_laptop> Even though I could have burnt them much faster
[07:52] <brent> well, its a good quality cd
[07:52] <brent> anyways, any suggestions?
[07:52] <Kresjah_laptop> Well, consider it this way: The faster you burn, the weaker your "burn marks" become
[07:53] <brent> jupp, know that
[07:53] <Kresjah_laptop> But sorry, no clue :\
[07:53] <grazie> brent: if the cd check works you should be ok
[07:53] <fxr> ahh see my post here --> i should have posted this earlier would have shortcutted a few things
[07:53] <fxr> ---> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2130111&postcount=30
[07:54] <grazie> brent: you get the same thing every time?
[07:54] <brent> yes
[07:54] <fxr> creating the script is on there..
[07:54] <grazie> brent: can you try the cd on another machine?
[07:54] <brent> it just logs in and out auto. (every 10 sec.), except when i type some username in
[07:54] <brent> maybe my laptop
[07:55] <fxr> m not a hundred % sure how to set that script to autostart.. m sure its fairly painless..
[07:55] <Kresjah_laptop> Thanks fxr :) By the way, isn't there a more global way of adding modules in modprobe? Or rather, I can't remember how I did it with the rt61 module :p
[07:55] <Jester45> fxr: settings -> autostarted applications
[07:55] <grazie> brent: have you run memtest86 on the problem machine?
[07:56] <Jester45> brent: try username: root password: (leave blank)
[07:56] <fxr> yyeah, Jester45... so it would be something like in command /home/fxr/.setupnat ??
[07:57] <Jester45> fxr: if script
[07:57] <Kresjah_laptop> . /etc/modules right?
[07:57] <grazie> fxr: Kresjah_laptop Jester45 surely those commands need to be grafted into the network config files
[07:58] <Kresjah_laptop> Yah, but I was thinking more along the lines of the modprobe modules right now
[07:58] <brent> grazie: memtest, no, tried root and no pass, says username/pass wrong
[07:58] <Kresjah_laptop> ip_tables, and iptable_nat
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> That could just as well go in /etc/modules rather than in a bash script, right?
[07:59] <fxr> m not sure grazie..
[07:59] <Jester45> brent: i would run the mem test as last resort becuase it run for hours
[07:59] <fxr> dont think u have to do them commands again Kresjah_laptop
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Which would make it global amongst several users (although I have no plans of adding several users... but in theory)
[07:59] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: : to load module add entry to /etc/module yes
[07:59] <brent> but it did the same thing yesterday when i had just 1, 128 mb ram in it (and it works fine)
[07:59] <Kresjah_laptop> Ok, done.
[08:00] <brent> now ive got about 264 or something like that
[08:00] <Kresjah_laptop> Now, I want that bash script to run without having to log on (and it would have to run with route privilegies)
[08:00] <Jester45> so it wored before but with more ram its doesnt?
[08:00] <brent> no, it did the same thing
[08:01] <brent> log in and out
[08:01] <Jester45> Kresjah_laptop: put sudo in the commands that need the privileges
[08:01] <Kresjah_laptop> Yeah, but then it will ask for the root password
[08:01] <grazie> brent: and on the laptop (the other machine)?
[08:01] <Kresjah_laptop> Which means I have to do more than just put the machine on
[08:01] <brent> trying it now
[08:02] <Kresjah_laptop> Basically, I just want to be able to push the power button of the gateway machine, and have no need to do more maintenence before internet comes up on all machines
[08:02] <Kresjah_laptop> Especially since it doesn't have it's on dedicated monitor
[08:02] <Jester45> Kresjah_laptop: are you sure i have scripts that check for installed packages so they need sudo apt-get but it doesnt ask
[08:02] <Jester45> Kresjah_laptop: look at using int
[08:03] <Kresjah_laptop> Usually, whenever I type sudo in the terminal, I always get asked the first time
[08:03] <Kresjah_laptop> int? Do take into consideration that I still am a newbie :p
[08:04] <Jester45> its kinda like the autostarted applications but its way way before in the boot order
[08:04] <Jester45> you can put things to run a root with out a pass
[08:04] <Kresjah_laptop> How do I set stuff there then?
[08:05] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: I sure there's a guide for setting up auto login....I'll see if I can find it
[08:05] <Jester45> as fxr or google i dont have the time
[08:05] <Kresjah_laptop> I don't want it to auto login, but rather run at boot time
[08:05] <Enigma_Man> Oh, I found the answer if anybody is interested (with the DVD interlacing issue)
[08:05] <Kresjah_laptop> Auto login is rather easy
[08:06] <Enigma_Man> none of the software deinterlacing options in gxine seemed to work, so I changed the "depreciated" setting in the driver configuration for deinterlacing method
[08:06] <brent> my laptop cant handle the graphics :/
[08:06] <Enigma_Man> and using use_vo_driver for deinterlacing with the depreciated setting set to "greedy" looks quite nice
[08:07] <grazie> brent: very old laptop? just try the recovery option (no gui)
[08:08] <Kresjah_laptop> But I'm still not quite clear as to how to make it run at boot time (and yes, I am googling as we speak... :p)
[08:08] <Enigma_Man> but thanks anyway folks!
[08:09] <Kresjah_laptop> Am I completely off track if I say that I should put the shell script in /etc/init.d
[08:09] <Kresjah_laptop> ?
[08:11] <Jester45> its a start
[08:11] <Kresjah_laptop> So basically, I set sudo infront of the lines in the shell script, put the shell script in init.d, and restart, and it should work?
[08:12] <Kresjah_laptop> Regardless of whether I log in with a user or not, and with no root passwd request=
[08:12] <Jester45> maybe
[08:12] <Kresjah_laptop> Time to test then
[08:14] <fxr> grazie was right, there must be a way to bind them command to your network config
[08:14] <Kresjah_laptop> That would probably be better than using a shell scripts
[08:15] <fxr> but your network wont start until your loggesd in anyway..
[08:15] <Kresjah_laptop> Aww
[08:15] <fxr> (i dont think)
[08:15] <fxr> m sure theres a work around.. ..
[08:15] <grazie> fxr: no. networl is up before login prompt
[08:16] <fxr> ahhh.. : )
[08:17] <Kresjah_laptop> After restart, there is currently not net at the other machines
[08:18] <fxr> what if he was to put them commands in pre-up in his interfaces file?
[08:18] <Kresjah_laptop> Hmm... there must have been something I've forgotten to put in that shell script
[08:18] <fxr> or post-up even
[08:19] <fxr> aww right i see what your trying now.. yeah that idea should work..
[08:20] <brent> nope, xubuntu wont start even in graphic safe mode :(
[08:20] <fxr> make a symbolic link pointing at it from /etc/rc2.d so that it gets run during the boot process
[08:22] <fxr> whats the name of the script you created?
[08:23] <Kresjah_laptop> WTF?!
[08:23] <fxr> are you able to dconstruct this sudo install -m 744 myscript /etc/init.d && sudo ln -s ../init.d/myscript /etc/rc2.d/linktomyscript
[08:23] <Kresjah_laptop> Now it doesn't work again :\
[08:24] <fxr> what doesnt work,... internet ?
[08:25] <Kresjah_laptop> Internet on other machines
[08:26] <brent> if i want to use the install version of linux
[08:26] <brent> which one is it?
[08:27] <brent> Alternate install ?
[08:27] <fxr> its must just be them 2 commands in the script.. run the script.. its possible u need sudo ahead of the 2 commands..
[08:28] <grazie> brent: yes, if your ram is less 192M, use the alternate to install, but the desktop should still boot and run
[08:29] <grazie> grazie: I think you could have ram hardware problems
[08:29] <Kresjah_laptop> I've sudoed everything
[08:29] <Kresjah_laptop> Yet it fails
[08:30] <grazie> brent: you can't boot the desktop cd with either machine?
[08:31] <brent> tha laptop cant handle it (graphic card is damaged) and the one im trying to install will just log in and out
[08:32] <grazie> brent: what else is on or has been on that machine?
[08:32] <brent> windows xp
[08:32] <brent> and puppylinux
[08:33] <grazie> brent: puppy installed?
[08:33] <brent> yes
[08:33] <brent> dunno how to uninstall
[08:34] <brent> but it must have the CD to boot, just some files that it stored on the HDD
[08:35] <grazie> brent: try booting xubuntu again....when the login prompt fails hit ctrl+alt+f1
[08:36] <brent> ok, will try, hold on
[08:40] <brent> and now?
[08:40] <grazie> brent: what do you get?
[08:40] <brent> a black screen with some info
[08:41] <Kresjah_laptop> Dinner is ready
[08:41] <Kresjah_laptop> I'll be back after dinner, tormenting you all with the fact that what we achieved earlier no longer work after rebooting
[08:42] <Kresjah_laptop> Maybe there's some package out there with a better gui
[08:46] <grazie> brent: back
[08:46] <grazie> brent: what happens you enter 'pwd'
[08:48] <brent> hold on, gonna switch to laptop, using little brothers comp 4 irc, making me run through the apartment ;)
[08:52] <brent-laptop> ok
[08:53] <grazie> brent-laptop: can you enter linux commands ok?
[08:53] <brent-laptop> i get this info
[08:53] <brent-laptop> ubuntu@ubuntu: ~$
[08:54] <grazie> brent-laptop: good
[08:54] <SatanGolga> pwned :P
[08:54] <mshepet> I have this problem with gdm, the first time I log in the screen blanks and goes back to the login screen.  However the second time I log in it works fine.  Any ideas?
[08:54] <brent-laptop> my prob. too, except that mine doesnt log in at all ;)
[08:54] <mshepet> niiice
[08:55] <grazie> brent-laptop: enter the following...  lspci | grep -i vga
[08:56] <brent-laptop> yes
[08:56] <grazie> brent-laptop: what do you get... exactly
[08:56] <brent-laptop> VGA comp. controller: 3Dfx Interactive Inc. vodoo 3
[08:57] <brent-laptop> 01:00.0 at the beginning
[08:58] <mshepet> voodoo 3 :)  i remember those
[08:58] <brent-laptop> hehe
[08:58] <grazie> brent-laptop: enter the following ....sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:59] <brent-laptop> gtk-warning **: cannot open display
[08:59] <frankabel> how can I change the show desktop shortcut (default is CTRL+SHift+d)?
[08:59] <grazie> brent-laptop: ok enter the following ....sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:00] <brent-laptop> ok
[09:00] <brent-laptop> now im in somewhere
[09:01] <RememberPOL> How can I modify the non-accelerated mouse sensitivity?
[09:02] <grazie> brent-laptop: you're editing a file
[09:02] <brent-laptop> figured that out, but thx ;) .. my prob. now is that i dont know what to type :P
[09:03] <grazie> brent-laptop: do ctrl+W and enter "Monitor"
[09:03] <BFTD> anyone in here running *buntu on a mac?
[09:03] <grazie> BFTD: yes
[09:03] <BFTD> grazie how well does it work with the airport card?
[09:04] <grazie> BFTD: ah...don't do wifi
[09:04] <BFTD> why not?
[09:04] <brent-laptop> monitor not found
[09:05] <grazie> brent-laptop: looks like the desktop cd can't figure out your hardware
[09:05] <brent-laptop> ok
[09:05] <grazie> brent-laptop: you should use the alternate cd to install xubuntu
[09:06] <grazie> brent-laptop: but you'll probably still have a few problems setting up xorg
[09:06] <brent-laptop> y ?
[09:07] <grazie> BFTD: don't need to
[09:08] <grazie> brent-laptop: y ?.... ????
[09:08] <brent-laptop> why would i have prob installing the altern. ?
[09:09] <grazie> brent-laptop: xorg is set up by detecting your computer hardware...the live cd hasn't done it correctly
[09:10] <grazie> brent-laptop: so the alternate probably will not either...but you can use the channel or forum to help get it set up
[09:10] <brent-laptop> ah, ok
[09:10] <brent-laptop> well, will give it a try =)
[09:10] <brent-laptop> thx for the help
[09:10] <grazie> np
[09:20] <frankabel> what command can I use to to minimize all the windows and show the desktop?
[09:23] <soweto76> frankabel, show desktop plugin for panel should do it.
[09:26] <arnor> hello all!
[09:26] <arnor> I have a few questions
[09:27] <arnor> I'm just in the installer of Xubuntu
[09:27] <Kresjah_laptop> I'm baa-aack!
[09:27] <arnor> but it seems that my partitions table is not recognized
[09:28] <arnor> I set a root filesystem ("/") and a swap one but the installer does not recognize my root partition
[09:28] <arnor> I installed VectorLinux just before with reiserfs
[09:28] <arnor> any suggestion?
[09:36] <Darkkish> rawr
[09:37] <david_> cool
[09:37] <Darkkish> what wifi does xubuntu come with?
[09:37] <Darkkish> any?
[09:37] <helpdudes22> can some one help me with there my sound on my xubuntu
[09:38] <Darkkish> i know KDE comes with a nice wifi tool
[09:40] <SatanGolga> Darkkish: i'm a new xubuntu user and there's a default networking wifi tool, but i use wifi-radar instead, works pretty good
[09:40] <Darkkish> does the default tool work well enough to download wifi-radar?
[09:41] <Darkkish> lol
[09:41] <Darkkish> like on windows "does IE work well enough to download firefox?"
[09:41] <SatanGolga> haha
[09:42] <SatanGolga> yes, i suppose, if you know your wifi settings
[09:42] <Darkkish> yeah i do
[09:42] <Darkkish> cool
[09:42] <Darkkish> has anyone here ever tried backtrack?
[09:42] <Darkkish> the distro
[09:43] <SatanGolga> according to rumors should gtkwifi be good too if you dont like wifi-radar
[09:43] <SatanGolga> no, sry
[09:43] <Darkkish> will kde programs work with xfce?
[09:44] <Darkkish> because i really like the style of xfce but i like a couple of the kde proggies
[09:45] <arnor> Darkkish: I was wondering the same
[09:45] <arnor> Darkkish: are KDE AND Gnome applications compatible with XFCE?
[09:45] <arnor> I guess that yes
[09:46] <hyper_ch> arnor: they are...
[09:46] <hyper_ch> arnor: I juse for example gparted (gnome)
[09:47] <hyper_ch> arnor: konversation, kopete, kontact, k3b, amarok, kftpgrabber, krdc, krbf, .... (KDE)
[09:48] <grazie> Well hyper_ch likes his kde apps alot, but to keep xfce light it's best to avoid kde apps if possible I think
[09:51] <hyper_ch> grazie: well, I just use the stuff I like most :)
[09:51] <hyper_ch> grazie: KDE is just too bloat... I don't need it... however I like a few of the kde appz... they are great :)
[09:51] <Darkkish> grazie i just like xfce for its looks and customizability
[09:52] <hyper_ch> xfce as window manager offers everything I need :)
[09:52] <Darkkish> yeah
[09:52] <hyper_ch> two bars... on of top, one of the bottom
[09:52] <Darkkish> yep
[09:52] <hyper_ch> wallpaper changer :) and that's it :)
[09:53] <Darkkish> I like having a bar on top that shows all of the open apps on the current desktop
[09:53] <Darkkish> and then one on the bottom that shows all of the current apps on all of tyhe desktops
[09:54] <hyper_ch> on the top I have the applications button and the quick-start tray plus the opened (tray) programs and sound volume...
[09:54] <hyper_ch> on the bottom I have a quicklink to the desktop, the 4 desktops, the trash bin and the opened program in this desktop :)
[09:55] <Darkkish> have any of you tried backtrack
[09:55] <Darkkish> i'd be really interested in that with xfce instead of kde
[09:55] <hyper_ch> however one thing that annoys me a bit is when I use the "hide windows and show desktop" button that all windows on all desktops are being minimized, not just of the current desktop
[09:55] <hyper_ch> dunno what backtrack is :)
[09:56] <Darkkish> its kindof a hacking distro
[09:56] <Darkkish> security tools and such
[09:56] <hyper_ch> security tools?
[09:56] <hyper_ch> is anything else needed than iptables?
[09:57] <Darkkish> lol idk google it, you'll see what i mean
[09:59] <s|k> hrm how do I tell how much ram I have?
[10:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> s|k: cat /proc/meminfo, first line.
[10:01] <Darkkish> when installing xubuntu
[10:02] <Darkkish> does it auto install grub or w/e?
[10:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It should ask first.
[10:04] <Darkkish> should ask first?
[10:08] <grazie> Darkkish: during the install you should be prompted about grub
[10:10] <s|k> PuMpErNiCkLe: thanks
[10:10] <s|k> :)
[10:12] <vrkhans> hi
[10:12] <vrkhans> every one
[10:13] <vrkhans> how can i install vlc player
[10:14] <Darkkish> I like adept
[10:14] <TTT_Travis> anyone know if there are freevo packages for xubuntu?
[10:14] <Darkkish> is synaptic alot like it?
[10:15] <vrkhans> hi how i can install vlc payer in xubuntu
[10:16] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans try apt-get install vlc
[10:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Darkkish: Same features, different interface.
[10:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> TTT_Travis: Doesn't look like it.
[10:16] <TTT_Travis> PuMpErNiCkLe ok, I'll do source
[10:17] <vrkhans> i dont know it give me ;Reading package lists... Done
[10:17] <vrkhans> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:17] <vrkhans> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[10:17] <vrkhans> i dotn know what to do
[10:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info vlc
[10:17] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[10:18] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis ; this is what i got
[10:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You'll need to enable the universe repository first.
[10:18] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans open /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # sign in front of the line that contains the word universe
[10:18] <vrkhans> ubotu i check in synaptics it is not there
[10:21] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis should i remove the # sign from all of the like
[10:21] <vrkhans> link
[10:22] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans yep sure
[10:22] <TTT_Travis> after you remove the # signs, run apt-get update
[10:23] <TTT_Travis> does xubuntu support hibernate out of the box?
[10:23] <Darkkish> i think it does TTT_Travis
[10:24] <TTT_Travis> k
[10:24] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis : it is not letting me, making any changes because it is read only
[10:24] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans you need to open it as root
[10:24] <TTT_Travis> so do
[10:25] <TTT_Travis> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <Kresjah_laptop> fxr: I think I have fallen in love with firestarter
[10:25] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis: i tried that but it is asking for password and
[10:25] <TTT_Travis> the password is your password
[10:26] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:26] <vrkhans> do i have to log out from my sesion
[10:26] <vrkhans> and log back in as root
[10:26] <confrey> help me please : I have xubuntu, but I haven't cdrom icon on the desktop, and the cd doesn't mount automatically
[10:27] <vrkhans> confrey : i have the same problem too, thanks for asking
[10:27] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans you just need to get that file open as root some how
[10:28] <TTT_Travis> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:28] <TTT_Travis> should work
[10:28] <Kresjah_laptop> I have the same issue confrey, although I will be looking into it soon (today or tomorrow I think)
[10:28] <TTT_Travis> when it asks for a password enter the password of the account you are currently logged into
[10:29] <vrkhans> TT_Travis i did: su - and enter my login password
[10:29] <vrkhans> but it fail
[10:29] <vrkhans> i dont know why
[10:29] <Darkkish> sudo?
[10:29] <vrkhans> Darkish: are you telling me
[10:29] <vrkhans> what is sudo
[10:31] <vrkhans> Drakkish: ya i am in now, i did sudo su-
[10:31] <vrkhans> and it work
[10:31] <Darkkish> oh ok
[10:31] <vrkhans> but can i change my password
[10:31] <vrkhans> root password
[10:31] <vrkhans> now
[10:32] <ephemeros> yo \m/
[10:33] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans to change root do passwd root
[10:33] <TTT_Travis> and then open your apt sources.list and edit that
[10:37] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis: ok i did what you told me update and all but still in synaptic list vlc is not there
[10:38] <vrkhans> apt-get install vlc
[10:38] <vrkhans> Reading package lists... Done
[10:38] <vrkhans> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:38] <vrkhans> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[10:40] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis : did i miss any thing
[10:42] <TTT_Travis> vrkhans if you removed all of the # signs, did apt-get update, and apt-get install and it still didn't work something is wrong
[10:43] <TTT_Travis> make sure you close synaptic before doing any of this
[10:43] <TTT_Travis> as synaptic might try to redo the changes to the sources.list
[10:43] <vrkhans> how i can mount the cdrom , i did mount /cdrom but fail
[10:43] <vrkhans> ok i will check that
[10:43] <vrkhans> again
[10:45] <vrkhans> i think i miss some #
[10:45] <vrkhans> ;-)
[10:45] <vrkhans> how i can load my cd rom
[10:45] <vrkhans> drive
[10:46] <vrkhans> TTT_Travis its working now
[10:46] <vrkhans> thansk
[10:46] <vrkhans> now I can mount my cdrom
[10:46] <vrkhans> and mount it automatically
[10:46] <TTT_Travis> glad it's working, don't know about the cd drive
[10:47] <vrkhans> hmmm
[10:47] <vrkhans> well thanks again
[10:48] <fxr> Kresjah_laptop, so where are we upto? i see ur firestarter post up there... i was tol
[10:49] <vrkhans> i am trying to mount my cdrom but got this msg mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[10:49] <vrkhans> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[10:49] <vrkhans>        missing codepage or other error
[10:49] <vrkhans>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:49] <vrkhans>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> Long story short fxr
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> I installed firestarter
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> Within 5 minutes, routing worked, end of story :p
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> And one question about oem installing
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> I launched oem-configure-prepare
[10:53] <Kresjah_laptop> Restarted
[10:54] <Kresjah_laptop> Got those standard starting questions
[10:54] <s|k> hi
[10:54] <Kresjah_laptop> Last step, where it asks for username and password... it doesn't proceed when I push forward
[10:54] <vrkhans> how i can mount my cdrom
[10:54] <vrkhans> i tried mount /cdrom but fail
[10:54] <Kresjah_laptop> Doh... found the issue
[10:55] <Kresjah_laptop> Forgot that it couldn't handle uppercase letter as first letter in username
[10:55] <grazie> vrkhans: when you insert the cd, does an icon appear on the desktop?
[10:56] <fxr> ahhh, ive nevre used firestarter was told it is handy for sorting out network config probs
[10:56] <vrkhans> grazie no
[10:56] <Kresjah_laptop> I was asked four questions in the wizard that starts
[10:56] <Kresjah_laptop> That was it
[10:56] <Kresjah_laptop> And it worked god damn perfectly
[10:56] <grazie> vrkhans: are there any icons on your desktop?
[10:56] <vrkhans> no
[10:56] <fxr> hhaha all that fannying around.. nicely shortcutted : )
[10:57] <Kresjah_laptop> Yah... I'm happy as hell that it works, but at the same time very frustrated about the... shortcut
[10:57] <Kresjah_laptop> That could have been done a long time ago
[10:57] <grazie> vrkhans: Applications > Settings > Desktop Settings
[10:58] <grazie> vrkhans: is "Allow Xfce to manage the desktop" ticked?
[10:58] <Kresjah_laptop> Just testing my new login screens and stuff... making it as minimalistic as possible :)
[10:58] <vrkhans> ya
[10:59] <TTT_Travis> I just install xubuntu for the first time 20 minutes ago
[10:59] <TTT_Travis> I have used Ubuntu for a few years
[10:59] <TTT_Travis> but it was way to much for the older pc
[11:00] <grazie> vrkhans: an icon should appear on the desktop when you insert the cd
[11:00] <grazie> vrkhans: do you have any other problems or error?
[11:01] <vrkhans> no
[11:02] <vrkhans> i just install xbuntu ,
[11:02] <vrkhans> so i dont know
[11:02] <grazie> vrkhans: what version?
[11:04] <grazie> vrkhans: you can mount the cd as follows 'sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media'
[11:04] <vrkhans> 6.06
[11:05] <grazie> vrkhans: ok, what I say about the cd icon on the desktop does not apply to 6.06
[11:05] <grazie> s/say/said/
[11:06] <vrkhans> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[11:06] <vrkhans> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[11:06] <vrkhans>        missing codepage or other error
[11:06] <vrkhans>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:06] <vrkhans>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:06] <vrkhans> i got this error
[11:07] <vrkhans> can I upgrade to 6.10 while using 6.06
[11:07] <grazie> vrkhans: yes you can upgrade
[11:07] <vrkhans> i did install 6.10 but i dont know it wont run
[11:08] <vrkhans> i think some video card problem
[11:08] <grazie> vrkhans: what kind of cd is it?
[11:08] <TTT_Travis> how do I install mplayer?
[11:08] <vrkhans> but 6.06 is running fine
[11:08] <vrkhans> i use the alternate one
[11:08] <TTT_Travis> is there a special way to do it? I don't see it in Apt
[11:08] <grazie> !mplayer | TTT_Travis
[11:08] <ubotu> TTT_Travis: mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[11:09] <grazie> TTT_Travis: you need to enable multiverse
[11:09] <TTT_Travis> I thought I enabled multiverse
[11:09] <TTT_Travis> do I need backports too?
[11:09] <vrkhans> i tried all 6.10 version for unbuntu kubuntu and xubuntu but same problem it will install everything but at the time of boot it crash
[11:09] <vrkhans> i dont understand why
[11:10] <TTT_Travis> found it
[11:10] <vrkhans> now i am thinking if i upgrade it, does it give me same problem
[11:10] <vrkhans> or
[11:10] <grazie> vrkhans: or?
[11:14] <vrkhans> grazie: or should i just use 6.06 for couple of mounths
[11:15] <vrkhans> and then upgrade, is there much difference
[11:15] <vrkhans> grazie: my cd problem is still there
[11:15] <vrkhans> it doesnt load
[11:15] <grazie> vrkhans: what kind of cd is it?
[11:16] <grazie> vrkhans: is it audio?
[11:16] <vrkhans> ya
[11:17] <grazie> vrkhans: you should be able to play the cd with your media player
[11:17] <vrkhans> ok thats strange i just put the installation cd and it load
[11:17] <vrkhans> why
[11:17] <vrkhans> ok
[11:18] <grazie> vrkhans: the installation cd and the audio cd are different formats
[11:18] <vrkhans> grazie: does it worth to upgrade to 6.10
[11:19] <grazie> vrkhans: if I we you I would stay with 6.06 for a while, now that  it's working
[11:19] <grazie> s/we/were/
[11:26] <vrkhans> ok thanks
[11:26] <grazie> no problem
[11:27] <vrkhans> i just want to add you in my list
[11:31] <TTT_Travis> if I connect another hard drive with partitions it they should show up as hdb1 hdb2 etc right?
[11:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Unless you're on Feisty, yes.
[11:31] <TTT_Travis> I'm on edgy
[11:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Then yeah, they should.
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> all that shows up in /dev is hda1 2 3 etc
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> but no hdbs
[11:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is it an external drive?
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> nope
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> it connected to secondary slave
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> ide
[11:32] <TTT_Travis> I set the jumper to slave
[11:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hm
[11:35] <grazie> TTT_Travis: if it's a newish machine, cs is usually better. does the bios see it?
[11:37] <TTT_Travis> I tried CS now, the bios does see it
[11:37] <TTT_Travis> but xubuntu can't seem to see any of the partitions
[11:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does it at least see the drive?
[11:38] <grazie> TTT_Travis: is it a brand new drive?
[11:38] <TTT_Travis> grazie it's a drive that has ubuntu installed
[11:38] <TTT_Travis> I want to move my old data
[11:39] <TTT_Travis> PuMpErNiCkLe it doesn't show up in /dev is there another way to tell?
[11:41] <grazie> TTT_Travis: what does 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' give?
[11:41] <TTT_Travis> no output
[11:41] <TTT_Travis> so I take it linux can't see my disk
[11:41] <grazie> should do!
[11:42] <TTT_Travis> hmm?
[11:43] <grazie> TTT_Travis: you said the new disk has ubuntu install?
[11:43] <grazie> installed*
[11:44] <TTT_Travis> Master (hda) is running Xubuntu, slave (should be hdb) is running ubuntu
[11:44] <grazie> TTT_Travis: if so you could try reversing the disks (both set to cs or 1 master & 1 slaver )
[11:44] <TTT_Travis> k, won't it boot from master though
[11:45] <TTT_Travis> which would boot ubuntu?
[11:45] <Jester45> i think you need the mbr on hda
[11:45] <TTT_Travis> I got it
[11:46] <TTT_Travis> master was set to Master
[11:46] <TTT_Travis> needed to be set to master with slave present
[11:46] <grazie> yes, but if ubuntu has been install on the disk before will have mbr set up
[11:47] <grazie> both disks will have a mbr
[11:47] <Jester45> but you cant use grub to dual boot right? without swaping the drives
[11:47] <grazie> of course if you know grub well
[11:48] <Jester45> i dont know it at all
[11:48] <TTT_Travis> I am just trying to access the files from my old install from xubuntu
[11:48] <grazie> but we're have trouble seeing the disk!
[11:48] <Jester45> the only thing i did with grub was remove the 3 sec waiting time
[11:48] <TTT_Travis> I got past that problem
[11:48] <TTT_Travis> I can see the disk in ubuntu fine now
[11:48] <TTT_Travis> err xubuntu
[11:49] <TTT_Travis> now how can I mount the partitions on hdb2? I tried them to folders but nothin shows up
[11:50] <grazie> TTT_Travis: tried then?... mounted them?
[11:51] <TTT_Travis> I can mount them, but I don't see any data in the mount poin
[11:51] <grazie> TTT_Travis: sudo mount /dev/hdb2  /mnt....?
[11:52] <TTT_Travis> grazie did that, but nothing shows up in /mnt
[11:53] <grazie> TTT_Travis: then there's nothing there! :)
[11:53] <TTT_Travis> but there is
[11:53] <grazie> right partition?
[11:54] <TTT_Travis> I tried all 4 on the slave drive
[11:54] <grazie> dunno
[12:00] <TTT_Travis> there got it
[12:00] <TTT_Travis> my data is there!
[12:01] <TTT_Travis> how can I run a command automatically when I login to my account?
[12:05] <Jester45> settings -> autostarted applications
[12:05] <TTT_Travis> thanks
[12:05] <Jester45> make a script and add it to that
[12:05] <Jester45> np
[12:09] <fxr> hi do i have to set up lmsensors to get temp data etc out of my system.. ?
[12:10] <Kresjah> Moo
[12:10] <Kresjah> I remember someone talking about not being able to get his cdrom working
[12:10] <Kresjah> Still here?
[12:10] <fxr> sensors detect is finding no compaitble hardware
[12:11] <Jester45> fxr: what are you trying to get out of your system?
[12:11] <fxr> ahhh just cpu temp.. essentially
[12:12] <Jester45> umm
[12:12] <fxr> Kresjah aye m copying 40gig across my wlan so ll be hear a while yet..
[12:12] <Jester45> fxr: could you do it with enternet its much faster
[12:13] <Kresjah> fxr: Was actualy asking if the person with problems mounting his/her cd-rom still was here
[12:13] <Kresjah> Although company isn't bad ;)
[12:14] <fxr> Jester, aye.. ve no cables ad only one NIC.. i considered just hoking the the disk on to the other machine.. its near down now..
[12:14] <fxr> ak Kresjah ; )
[12:15] <fxr> Jester45, do u know if theres a way to test the files for corruption or anything after the copy is complete
[12:15] <fxr> ?
[12:16] <Kresjah> Wow
[12:16] <Kresjah> Now that was interesting
[12:16] <Kresjah> I have this here Quake 1 CD
[12:17] <Kresjah> In every CD-ROM drive I've tried to put it in, it sounds like it's trying to kill someone
[12:17] <Kresjah> It spins up and makes an insane noise
[12:18] <Kresjah> So, I decided to test it in my laptop (which runs ubuntu). Been having some problems so that I have to manually mount CDROMs on that one no matter what I do it seems
[12:18] <Kresjah> Anyways, I put it in, there was almost no sound, as if it wasn't spinning at all
[12:18] <Kresjah> Mounted it, still no sound, directory tree seemed intact on the cd
[12:19] <Kresjah> Copied over a decently sized file to the desktop.... still no sound, but decent speed on the copying (20 secs on PAK0.PAK for those of you who know your quake files)
[12:19] <Kresjah> 17.8 meg
[12:20] <Kresjah> Unmounted the cdrom and removed the cd... and surely enough, pak0.pak seems to be filled with binary content
[12:21] <Kresjah> Wonder what the special trigger there was