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TeePOGmorning all09:54
highvoltagehi TeePOG09:55
TeePOGhi highvoltage :-D09:55
TeePOGhow goes?09:55
highvoltagegoing good09:56
TeePOGlekker09:57
TeePOGcoffee?09:57
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_pat_hello. i have a question. i have some old computers as thin client and a terminal server  but i have some new comouter too in our class room. what should i do? mix the terminal server / thin client  network with a workstation newtwork?11:39
kgoetz_pat_: depends how much overhead workstations will add compared to an ltsp server11:40
_pat_if i install a workstation i am not part of the ltsp server11:43
kgoetzyep11:45
_pat_so i have different logins11:46
TeePOG_pat_: i'd recommend using NIS and LDAP to have the same logins and even home directories across fat and thin clients11:52
TeePOGbut i'm busy learning how to do that myself, so don't ask11:52
TeePOG:-D11:52
_pat_thx ill try it11:52
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cafuego_Yay!12:11
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cafuego_ehlo12:11
ajmitchhi12:15
jsgotangcog'day mate12:15
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ajmitchgreat :)12:16
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cafuego_pam_ldap+pam_mount with samba using Novell eDirectory, which SHOULD mean all newly imaged desktops can be used by all students when booted into Ubuntu12:20
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TeePOGi'm lagged anyway. 45 sec at last count12:35
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pipesmokerhi ppl, hwo can i get information about locally installed hardware on the thin clients, like ethernet card type, cpy type02:14
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cliebowpipedream, can you ssh in and do lsoci?02:39
pipesmokerssh from the server to the client?02:46
cliebowsure02:47
pipesmokerConnection refused, but i can walk to the client ;-)02:48
pipesmokerthe client is working fine02:49
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pipedreamerr03:05
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a5benwillisG'Mornin ll03:17
a5benwillisAll03:18
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RichEdhello a5benwillis ...03:20
a5benwillisslow here this morning03:21
RichEda5benwillis: maybe coffee will help ;)03:21
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bddebianHeya03:28
highvoltageheya bddebian03:32
bddebianHi highvoltage03:32
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highvoltageedubuntugirl: tell LaserJock http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/26/solid-state-laser-sustains-67-kilowatts-approaching-battlefield/03:50
edubuntugirlRighto, highvoltage!03:50
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a5benwillis!xdmcp04:30
ubotuxdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it04:30
a5benwillisDoes anyone know the link to changing Edubuntu to use GDM/XDMCP instead of LDP???04:31
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blueonyx_hi04:44
blueonyx_how can i create a generic xorg.conf file for the thin clients? are /etc/Xorg/xorg.conf and /opt/ltsp/i386/etx/Xorg/xorg.conf the same file?04:46
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blueonyx_is their any chance to extract a xorg.conf file from a running xserver?04:52
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sbalneavMorning all04:55
blueonyx_hi04:55
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RichEdhi there sbalneav ... hows the sunny weather your side ?04:58
sbalneavNot too sunny, but at least warmer than it's been.04:59
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highvoltagesbalneav: very punny05:00
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tmooreI am a newbie with TSC.  I installed edubuntu and was able to connect from a client, but I changed the addressing scheme and haven't been able to connect again, even though I get a login prompt.05:07
tmooreI guess I need to start over -- is there anyone else connected?05:11
a5benwillisltsp-update-sshkeys05:12
a5benwillisthat should fix you right up05:12
tmoorethank you very much -- it worked!05:15
a5benwillisyoure welcome05:16
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a5benwillisanytime you change the serverIP you need to run that command05:16
cbx33hi all05:16
cbx33I will be unable to get onto IRC at work for the forseeable future05:17
a5benwillisuhoh05:17
cbx33looks like the City have found my web client05:17
a5benwilliswhat happened?05:17
cbx33and banned it05:17
a5benwilliscanyou get out on port 80?05:17
sbalneavCan you ssh out?05:17
cbx33yeh right :p05:18
a5benwillissomeone out here canset up a proxy to the irc port for you.05:18
cbx33I'm trying to get permission to do that05:18
sbalneavWhich, an ssh port?05:18
cbx33a5benwillis, only if I can ssh out05:18
cbx33sbalneav, the network here is sooooo restricted05:18
cbx33i have 80 443 and a restricted 2105:18
a5benwillislet me see if I can hack something together for you05:19
cbx33heh05:19
sbalneavIf you want to ssh out on port 80, I can set you up an account on my home box.05:19
sbalneavirssi from there.05:19
cbx33they have that blocked05:19
a5benwillisnot if youuse port 80 cbx3305:20
cbx33yup, unless I use an http wrapper05:20
cbx33they block all non http traffic05:20
a5benwillisoh, they can block based on packet type?05:20
cbx33basically unless I circumvent the SLA, which I'm not going to do....too risky05:20
a5benwillisdo they have a packeteer?05:20
cbx33a5benwillis, indeed they can05:20
cbx33I'm filing a complaint05:21
cbx33and a business case to get port 22 opened05:21
a5benwillisAreyou in technology dept?05:21
a5benwillisorare they yourISP?05:21
cbx33they are the ISP05:22
a5benwillissbalneav: I get a tty1screento loginto on my thin clientnow. What did I do wrong?05:22
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a5benwillissorry about my spacing guys. Stupid keyboard :)05:22
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sbalneavWhat happens if you press alt-f7?05:25
a5benwillisnothing05:26
a5benwillisitsa login screen05:26
a5benwillisprolly need to login first?05:26
sbalneavCan you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin?05:26
sbalneavpastebin.ca05:26
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a5benwillissbalneav: I found a typo in the file. Let me try again :-)05:34
sbalneav:)05:34
a5benwillisWhile I wait for the thin client to boot let me ask another sillyquestion.05:35
a5benwillisWhen running the terminal server clientinUbuntu, why are the xdmcp and ica connection options greyed out?05:36
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a5benwillissbalneav: I assume that the login screen will be different for xdmcp?05:37
sbalneavxdmcp isn't greyed out for me, and ICA because I'd expect you'd need some kind of propriatary software installed to make that work.  ICA is something windows related isn;t it?05:37
a5benwillisRight nowI justhave a grey X screen.....05:38
sbalneavwhat did you put for your "SERVER =" line in lts.conf?05:38
a5benwillis705:38
sbalneavSERVER = 7?05:39
a5benwillisoops05:39
sbalneavSERVER = ip.address.of.server05:39
a5benwillisI didnt. All I have is screen_7=startx05:39
sbalneavAh, you'll want a server line05:40
a5benwillisdoes the order matter?05:40
sbalneavSERVER = 192.168.0.254, or whatever your server's ip address is.05:40
a5benwillisright nowI have screen at the bottom05:40
sbalneavDoesn't matter05:40
a5benwilliswill the login screen be different?05:41
sbalneavNo, should be the same as on the console.05:42
sbalneavI assume you got the console login back?05:42
a5benwillisok, but different than the LDM login screen.05:42
a5benwillisYes I did :)05:42
sbalneavIt should look the same as the login screen.05:43
sbalneavon the server.05:43
a5benwillisok05:43
a5benwillissbalneav: Im gonna paste my lts.conf. Itsonly8 lines. Is that okay?05:44
a5benwillisstill getting grey x screen.05:44
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sbalneavOK05:51
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a5benwillis[default] 05:55
a5benwillis    X_COLOR_DEPTH=1605:55
a5benwillis    LOCALDEV=True05:55
a5benwillis    SOUND=True05:55
a5benwillis    NBD_SWAP=True05:55
a5benwillis    SYSLOG_HOST=server05:55
a5benwillis    XDM_SERVER=10.10.80.1005:55
a5benwillis    SCREEN_7=startx05:55
a5benwillis.05:55
a5benwillisI tried justa SERVER lineas well..05:55
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a5benwillisthanks for the help sbalneav, I'll be back in a bit to try itsome more.05:58
sbalneavYou might want to make sure that you've actually got the DM listeneing05:59
sbalneavnetstat -an | grep ":177"05:59
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eckharthi06:26
eckhartsituation: "internet room" with 5 computers and a server, people have to ask an administrator to get their own username/password combination which allows them to use each of those 5 computers06:29
eckhartis edubuntu useful for this kind of set up?06:30
SimonAnibalyes06:31
SimonAnibalheh, that was simple06:31
eckhartis edubuntu only about thin clients?06:33
eckhartor does it also work with fat clients?06:34
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SimonAnibalIt can work with thin clients, fat client, or completely autonomous desktops06:34
SimonAnibalby fat clients here I'm meaning a diskless workstation that is otherwise relatively modern doing all of it's own processing, but relying on the server for it's filesystem, I'm not sure if that's an accurate use of the word06:37
eckhartSimonAnibal: i used the expression in the same way :-)06:39
eckhartthanks06:39
SimonAnibalno problem06:40
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a5benwillissbalneav: "udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*  "07:05
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a5benwillis!seen sbalneav07:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen sbalneav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:10
RichEdHas anyone here ever compiled a CD of education packages that could be easily burnt and shipped to a school in Africa which has no decent internet connection ?07:20
RichEdSimonAnibal and eckhart : simon you comment about fat clients was premature07:21
RichEd*your07:21
eckhartRichEd: in what way?07:21
SimonAnibalRichEd: Oops, did I mix up a Feisty goal with an already available feature?07:22
RichEdFat clients running off the server image, but local processing was due for Feisty 7.04 (april) but will in all likelihood be deferred to 7.10 (october) due to some dependecies ... unfortunately.07:22
SimonAnibalAck..eckhart, I'm sorry. I got features mixed up in my head07:23
cliebowyou guys have a sparc kerrnel..right?07:23
RichEdSo workstations networked off a server is possible, and all pointed to the server as a single source of package updates is possible ... but each w/s will still have it's own o/s and application files.07:23
RichEdcliebow: yep ... but check on #ubuntu for more info ... I don't think we've produced an edubuntu for spac yet07:24
RichEd*sparc07:24
cliebowThanks RichEd,..07:24
RichEdeckhart: and all the usual stuff like setting up workstatsions to save to the shared server storage only ... is all possible, but true fat clients are only in the pipeline, not available till later this year07:26
eckhartok, thanks for the info :-)07:26
cliebowwe got offered a quad..make a better ,ooring prob than a server..but then that goes for a lot fo my gear07:27
cliebowmooring that is07:27
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administratorI have a question regarding conf for default session on thin client09:35
administratorIs there anyone that can help me?09:35
administratorI'm looking to set default session to startkde instead of gnome...09:35
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a5benwillissbalneav: Any ideas on my xdmcp problem?10:08
sbalneava5benwillis: Yeah, what was the result from netstat -an | grep ":177 "?10:15
a5benwillissbalneav: "udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*   "10:15
sbalneavok.  1) Got any firewalls on this box?10:15
a5benwillisits just a out of the box edubuntu server10:15
sbalneavok10:16
a5benwillisno firewalls between them either..10:16
sbalneav2) What kind of switch/hub you using?10:16
a5benwillisboth the server and the client are in a Cisco 3750 stack10:16
sbalneavCheck the cisco10:17
sbalneavBetcha it's blocking UDP10:17
sbalneavWe've had that happen before.10:17
a5benwillisit shouldnt be10:17
a5benwillisthere are no ACL applied to these interfaces10:17
a5benwillisquestion10:18
a5benwillisIn /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf shouldntxdmcp be enabled?10:18
a5benwillismaybe its defferent for ubuntu?10:19
sbalneavcheck gdm.conf-custom10:19
a5benwillisok its in there10:20
a5benwillisudp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*10:20
a5benwillisoops10:20
a5benwillis.10:20
a5benwillis[xdmcp] 10:20
a5benwillisEnable=true10:20
a5benwillisMaxSessions=4810:20
sbalneavyep10:20
sbalneavthats ok.10:20
a5benwillisdid you see my lst.conf file paste?10:21
sbalneavYup, looked fine.10:21
a5benwilliserm ;ts10:21
a5benwillislts10:21
sbalneavGot a regular, non-smart switch you can sub in to test?10:21
sbalneavWe've had several people in here with Cisco switches that turned out to be the problem.10:21
a5benwillisprobably not but I can check into theudp blocking possibility. I configure the network so Ihavefree reign10:22
a5benwillis:)10:22
pt109hi, does anyone know how to set thin client to kdestart as the default?10:23
pt109I'm using Edubuntu 6.1010:24
sbalneavpt109: It should start whatever your default X session is.10:24
sbalneavSof if you set KDE to be the default, that should do it.10:25
pt109Do you know the file I should edit?10:25
sbalneavlooking10:25
sbalneavWell, I think you can set it using the alternatives system10:27
pt109Would that be the Xsession file then?10:27
sbalneavthe terminal executes x-session-manager, which points to /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager10:27
pt109OK, I'll give that a try.10:28
sbalneavand /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager points to gnome-session10:28
pt109OK10:28
pt109btw, have you noticed that you need to shut down and restart10:28
sbalneavso if you set /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager to point to startkde, or whatever KDE uses to kick off a kde session, that should do it.10:29
pt109thin client to get sound working for other users?10:29
pt109When I log out and log in as another user, regardless of gnome or kde10:29
sbalneavpt109: yes, this is a common problem.  It's ESD, which, quite frankly, sucks.10:29
pt109there is no sound,10:29
sbalneavHowever, the good news is, it's being replaces by Pulseaudio in the next version.10:29
pt109but when I reboot thin client, then no problem with sound10:30
sbalneavWhich DOESN'T suck.10:30
pt109that's 7.04 ?10:30
sbalneavyep.10:30
pt109which stands for April 2007?10:30
sbalneavyeppers10:30
sbalneav"Real Soon Now"10:30
pt109one last question.10:30
sbalneavCertainly10:30
pt109When I try to play frozen bubble on thin client no sound - any suggestions?10:31
sbalneavUmmm, if I remember correctly, FB doesn't use a proper audio stack, but rather simply cat's sound to /dev/dsp, which won't always get forwarded to the thin client.10:32
sbalneavThere's some fiddling which might work, or not.  Best way to fix it would be to get FB to use gstreamer, for proper network audio.10:32
pt109OK, seems year(s) ago I got it working on the thin client that was a10:33
pt109pentium I10:33
pt109I think Jim M. helped me - but that was a while ago...10:33
sbalneavYeah, there's a shim that can intercept the /dev/dsp calls, but it's gotten unreliable under the 2.6 kernel series.10:33
sbalneavit was more reliable under 2.410:34
pt109OK10:34
pt109cool10:34
pt109I like Edubuntu - great idea10:34
sbalneavreally, NOTHING should write to /dev/dsp.  Anything that uses gstreamer, "just works" for remote sound.10:34
pt109We're getting highschools to use it in Toronto10:34
pt109Ontario10:34
pt109about 3-4 right now, but slowly growing...10:35
sbalneavCool, I'm in Winnipeg.10:35
pt109What's the weather like there?10:35
sbalneavMild, at the moment.10:35
pt109kinda cold here. Snowing10:36
sbalneavWe sent you our weather system.10:37
sbalneav:)10:37
pt109;(10:37
sbalneavI'll be visiting Toronto for a few days starting Mar 1.10:37
pt109the /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager10:38
pt109points to /usr/bin/gnome-session10:38
pt109which is an executable file10:38
sbalneavyep.10:38
sbalneavwhat you'll want to do is something like:10:38
sbalneavln -s /usr/bin/startkde /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager10:38
pt109OK10:39
pt109Will that "clobber" what is there in the front10:39
pt109(i.e. login screen to not allow other sessions like gnome?)10:39
sbalneavThe terminal just starts "x-session-manager", which is just a symbolic link to whatever session manager you want to use.10:39
pt109I see10:39
pt109so it would point to kdm? Is that correct term10:40
sbalneavNo, you'll still be able to SELECT gnome, it just won't be the default if you don't pick anything10:40
sbalneavyeah.10:40
pt109cool10:40
pt109learn something new everyday10:40
pt109and I thought Xwindows was a big Black Hole10:40
pt109lol10:40
pt109if the command indicates that the file already exists that'l still OK, right?10:42
pt109It just links it - correct?10:42
sbalneavShould be10:42
sbalneavquick way to tell is:10:42
sbalneavls -la /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager10:42
sbalneavlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2006-10-23 14:40 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session10:43
sbalneavlooks like that on mine.10:43
sbalneavYours should be -> /usr/bin/startkde10:43
pt109mine too10:43
pt109O10:44
pt109I'm just booting up10:44
sbalneavOK10:44
sbalneavWhat does update-alternatives --list x-session-manager give you?10:44
sbalneavAh, this may be easier10:45
pt109/usr/bin/gnome-session10:45
pt109/usr/bin/startkde10:45
pt109aha10:45
sbalneavupdate-alternatives --config x-session-manager10:45
pt109gottcha10:46
pt109cool10:46
sbalneavand then it should set the link for you automagically10:47
pt109did it10:47
pt109another trick to put in my pocket.10:47
pt109I assume that login screen can be modifiable?10:47
pt109Would it allow for a browser window of users? (probably not - right?)10:48
pt109You have been very helpful :)10:50
pt109Thanks for your assistance!10:50
sbalneavUmmm, I think you can have some kind of user selector, but I'm not sure.10:51
pt109Well you certainly have helped me today!10:51
pt109I guess you are saying to wait until10:51
pt109the next release to fix the sound issue when logging out - right?10:51
sbalneavYeah, that'd be my recommendation.10:52
pt109I gotta go, but If I find a solution to get fb working, I;ll let you know :)10:52
sbalneavCool.10:52
sbalneavThx10:52
pt109l8r10:52
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