[02:58] <bddebian> Heya
[03:21] <a5benwillis_> .
[09:54] <TeePOG> morning all
[09:55] <highvoltage> hi TeePOG
[09:55] <TeePOG> hi highvoltage :-D
[09:55] <TeePOG> how goes?
[09:56] <highvoltage> going good
[09:57] <TeePOG> lekker
[09:57] <TeePOG> coffee?
[11:39] <_pat_> hello. i have a question. i have some old computers as thin client and a terminal server  but i have some new comouter too in our class room. what should i do? mix the terminal server / thin client  network with a workstation newtwork?
[11:40] <kgoetz> _pat_: depends how much overhead workstations will add compared to an ltsp server
[11:43] <_pat_> if i install a workstation i am not part of the ltsp server
[11:45] <kgoetz> yep
[11:46] <_pat_> so i have different logins
[11:52] <TeePOG> _pat_: i'd recommend using NIS and LDAP to have the same logins and even home directories across fat and thin clients
[11:52] <TeePOG> but i'm busy learning how to do that myself, so don't ask
[11:52] <TeePOG> :-D
[11:52] <_pat_> thx ill try it
[12:11] <cafuego_> Yay!
[12:11] <cafuego_> ehlo
[12:15] <ajmitch> hi
[12:15] <jsgotangco> g'day mate
[12:16] <ajmitch> great :)
[12:20] <cafuego_> pam_ldap+pam_mount with samba using Novell eDirectory, which SHOULD mean all newly imaged desktops can be used by all students when booted into Ubuntu
[12:35] <TeePOG> i'm lagged anyway. 45 sec at last count
[02:14] <pipesmoker> hi ppl, hwo can i get information about locally installed hardware on the thin clients, like ethernet card type, cpy type
[02:39] <cliebow> pipedream, can you ssh in and do lsoci?
[02:46] <pipesmoker> ssh from the server to the client?
[02:47] <cliebow> sure
[02:48] <pipesmoker> Connection refused, but i can walk to the client ;-)
[02:49] <pipesmoker> the client is working fine
[03:05] <pipedream> err
[03:17] <a5benwillis> G'Mornin ll
[03:18] <a5benwillis> All
[03:20] <RichEd> hello a5benwillis ...
[03:21] <a5benwillis> slow here this morning
[03:21] <RichEd> a5benwillis: maybe coffee will help ;)
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:32] <highvoltage> heya bddebian
[03:32] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[03:50] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell LaserJock http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/26/solid-state-laser-sustains-67-kilowatts-approaching-battlefield/
[03:50] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[04:30] <a5benwillis> !xdmcp
[04:30] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[04:31] <a5benwillis> Does anyone know the link to changing Edubuntu to use GDM/XDMCP instead of LDP???
[04:44] <blueonyx_> hi
[04:46] <blueonyx_> how can i create a generic xorg.conf file for the thin clients? are /etc/Xorg/xorg.conf and /opt/ltsp/i386/etx/Xorg/xorg.conf the same file?
[04:52] <blueonyx_> is their any chance to extract a xorg.conf file from a running xserver?
[04:55] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:55] <blueonyx_> hi
[04:58] <RichEd> hi there sbalneav ... hows the sunny weather your side ?
[04:59] <sbalneav> Not too sunny, but at least warmer than it's been.
[05:00] <highvoltage> sbalneav: very punny
[05:07] <tmoore> I am a newbie with TSC.  I installed edubuntu and was able to connect from a client, but I changed the addressing scheme and haven't been able to connect again, even though I get a login prompt.
[05:11] <tmoore> I guess I need to start over -- is there anyone else connected?
[05:12] <a5benwillis> ltsp-update-sshkeys
[05:12] <a5benwillis> that should fix you right up
[05:15] <tmoore> thank you very much -- it worked!
[05:16] <a5benwillis> youre welcome
[05:16] <a5benwillis> anytime you change the serverIP you need to run that command
[05:16] <cbx33> hi all
[05:17] <cbx33> I will be unable to get onto IRC at work for the forseeable future
[05:17] <a5benwillis> uhoh
[05:17] <cbx33> looks like the City have found my web client
[05:17] <a5benwillis> what happened?
[05:17] <cbx33> and banned it
[05:17] <a5benwillis> canyou get out on port 80?
[05:17] <sbalneav> Can you ssh out?
[05:18] <cbx33> yeh right :p
[05:18] <a5benwillis> someone out here canset up a proxy to the irc port for you.
[05:18] <cbx33> I'm trying to get permission to do that
[05:18] <sbalneav> Which, an ssh port?
[05:18] <cbx33> a5benwillis, only if I can ssh out
[05:18] <cbx33> sbalneav, the network here is sooooo restricted
[05:18] <cbx33> i have 80 443 and a restricted 21
[05:19] <a5benwillis> let me see if I can hack something together for you
[05:19] <cbx33> heh
[05:19] <sbalneav> If you want to ssh out on port 80, I can set you up an account on my home box.
[05:19] <sbalneav> irssi from there.
[05:19] <cbx33> they have that blocked
[05:20] <a5benwillis> not if youuse port 80 cbx33
[05:20] <cbx33> yup, unless I use an http wrapper
[05:20] <cbx33> they block all non http traffic
[05:20] <a5benwillis> oh, they can block based on packet type?
[05:20] <cbx33> basically unless I circumvent the SLA, which I'm not going to do....too risky
[05:20] <a5benwillis> do they have a packeteer?
[05:20] <cbx33> a5benwillis, indeed they can
[05:21] <cbx33> I'm filing a complaint
[05:21] <cbx33> and a business case to get port 22 opened
[05:21] <a5benwillis> Areyou in technology dept?
[05:21] <a5benwillis> orare they yourISP?
[05:22] <cbx33> they are the ISP
[05:22] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I get a tty1screento loginto on my thin clientnow. What did I do wrong?
[05:22] <a5benwillis> sorry about my spacing guys. Stupid keyboard :)
[05:25] <sbalneav> What happens if you press alt-f7?
[05:26] <a5benwillis> nothing
[05:26] <a5benwillis> itsa login screen
[05:26] <a5benwillis> prolly need to login first?
[05:26] <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebin?
[05:26] <sbalneav> pastebin.ca
[05:34] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I found a typo in the file. Let me try again :-)
[05:34] <sbalneav> :)
[05:35] <a5benwillis> While I wait for the thin client to boot let me ask another sillyquestion.
[05:36] <a5benwillis> When running the terminal server clientinUbuntu, why are the xdmcp and ica connection options greyed out?
[05:37] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: I assume that the login screen will be different for xdmcp?
[05:37] <sbalneav> xdmcp isn't greyed out for me, and ICA because I'd expect you'd need some kind of propriatary software installed to make that work.  ICA is something windows related isn;t it?
[05:38] <a5benwillis> Right nowI justhave a grey X screen.....
[05:38] <sbalneav> what did you put for your "SERVER =" line in lts.conf?
[05:38] <a5benwillis> 7
[05:39] <sbalneav> SERVER = 7?
[05:39] <a5benwillis> oops
[05:39] <sbalneav> SERVER = ip.address.of.server
[05:39] <a5benwillis> I didnt. All I have is screen_7=startx
[05:40] <sbalneav> Ah, you'll want a server line
[05:40] <a5benwillis> does the order matter?
[05:40] <sbalneav> SERVER = 192.168.0.254, or whatever your server's ip address is.
[05:40] <a5benwillis> right nowI have screen at the bottom
[05:40] <sbalneav> Doesn't matter
[05:41] <a5benwillis> will the login screen be different?
[05:42] <sbalneav> No, should be the same as on the console.
[05:42] <sbalneav> I assume you got the console login back?
[05:42] <a5benwillis> ok, but different than the LDM login screen.
[05:42] <a5benwillis> Yes I did :)
[05:43] <sbalneav> It should look the same as the login screen.
[05:43] <sbalneav> on the server.
[05:43] <a5benwillis> ok
[05:44] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Im gonna paste my lts.conf. Itsonly8 lines. Is that okay?
[05:44] <a5benwillis> still getting grey x screen.
[05:51] <sbalneav> OK
[05:55] <a5benwillis> [default] 
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     LOCALDEV=True
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     SOUND=True
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     NBD_SWAP=True
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     SYSLOG_HOST=server
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     XDM_SERVER=10.10.80.10
[05:55] <a5benwillis>     SCREEN_7=startx
[05:55] <a5benwillis> .
[05:55] <a5benwillis> I tried justa SERVER lineas well..
[05:58] <a5benwillis> thanks for the help sbalneav, I'll be back in a bit to try itsome more.
[05:59] <sbalneav> You might want to make sure that you've actually got the DM listeneing
[05:59] <sbalneav> netstat -an | grep ":177"
[06:26] <eckhart> hi
[06:29] <eckhart> situation: "internet room" with 5 computers and a server, people have to ask an administrator to get their own username/password combination which allows them to use each of those 5 computers
[06:30] <eckhart> is edubuntu useful for this kind of set up?
[06:31] <SimonAnibal> yes
[06:31] <SimonAnibal> heh, that was simple
[06:33] <eckhart> is edubuntu only about thin clients?
[06:34] <eckhart> or does it also work with fat clients?
[06:34] <SimonAnibal> It can work with thin clients, fat client, or completely autonomous desktops
[06:37] <SimonAnibal> by fat clients here I'm meaning a diskless workstation that is otherwise relatively modern doing all of it's own processing, but relying on the server for it's filesystem, I'm not sure if that's an accurate use of the word
[06:39] <eckhart> SimonAnibal: i used the expression in the same way :-)
[06:39] <eckhart> thanks
[06:40] <SimonAnibal> no problem
[07:05] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: "udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*  "
[07:10] <a5benwillis> !seen sbalneav
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen sbalneav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <RichEd> Has anyone here ever compiled a CD of education packages that could be easily burnt and shipped to a school in Africa which has no decent internet connection ?
[07:21] <RichEd> SimonAnibal and eckhart : simon you comment about fat clients was premature
[07:21] <RichEd> *your
[07:21] <eckhart> RichEd: in what way?
[07:22] <SimonAnibal> RichEd: Oops, did I mix up a Feisty goal with an already available feature?
[07:22] <RichEd> Fat clients running off the server image, but local processing was due for Feisty 7.04 (april) but will in all likelihood be deferred to 7.10 (october) due to some dependecies ... unfortunately.
[07:23] <SimonAnibal> Ack..eckhart, I'm sorry. I got features mixed up in my head
[07:23] <cliebow> you guys have a sparc kerrnel..right?
[07:23] <RichEd> So workstations networked off a server is possible, and all pointed to the server as a single source of package updates is possible ... but each w/s will still have it's own o/s and application files.
[07:24] <RichEd> cliebow: yep ... but check on #ubuntu for more info ... I don't think we've produced an edubuntu for spac yet
[07:24] <RichEd> *sparc
[07:24] <cliebow> Thanks RichEd,..
[07:26] <RichEd> eckhart: and all the usual stuff like setting up workstatsions to save to the shared server storage only ... is all possible, but true fat clients are only in the pipeline, not available till later this year
[07:26] <eckhart> ok, thanks for the info :-)
[07:27] <cliebow> we got offered a quad..make a better ,ooring prob than a server..but then that goes for a lot fo my gear
[07:27] <cliebow> mooring that is
[07:54] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:06] <sbalneav> Back from lunch
[09:35] <administrator> I have a question regarding conf for default session on thin client
[09:35] <administrator> Is there anyone that can help me?
[09:35] <administrator> I'm looking to set default session to startkde instead of gnome...
[10:08] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: Any ideas on my xdmcp problem?
[10:15] <sbalneav> a5benwillis: Yeah, what was the result from netstat -an | grep ":177 "?
[10:15] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: "udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*   "
[10:15] <sbalneav> ok.  1) Got any firewalls on this box?
[10:15] <a5benwillis> its just a out of the box edubuntu server
[10:16] <sbalneav> ok
[10:16] <a5benwillis> no firewalls between them either..
[10:16] <sbalneav> 2) What kind of switch/hub you using?
[10:16] <a5benwillis> both the server and the client are in a Cisco 3750 stack
[10:17] <sbalneav> Check the cisco
[10:17] <sbalneav> Betcha it's blocking UDP
[10:17] <sbalneav> We've had that happen before.
[10:17] <a5benwillis> it shouldnt be
[10:17] <a5benwillis> there are no ACL applied to these interfaces
[10:18] <a5benwillis> question
[10:18] <a5benwillis> In /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf shouldntxdmcp be enabled?
[10:19] <a5benwillis> maybe its defferent for ubuntu?
[10:19] <sbalneav> check gdm.conf-custom
[10:20] <a5benwillis> ok its in there
[10:20] <a5benwillis> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:177             0.0.0.0:*
[10:20] <a5benwillis> oops
[10:20] <a5benwillis> .
[10:20] <a5benwillis> [xdmcp] 
[10:20] <a5benwillis> Enable=true
[10:20] <a5benwillis> MaxSessions=48
[10:20] <sbalneav> yep
[10:20] <sbalneav> thats ok.
[10:21] <a5benwillis> did you see my lst.conf file paste?
[10:21] <sbalneav> Yup, looked fine.
[10:21] <a5benwillis> erm ;ts
[10:21] <a5benwillis> lts
[10:21] <sbalneav> Got a regular, non-smart switch you can sub in to test?
[10:21] <sbalneav> We've had several people in here with Cisco switches that turned out to be the problem.
[10:22] <a5benwillis> probably not but I can check into theudp blocking possibility. I configure the network so Ihavefree reign
[10:22] <a5benwillis> :)
[10:23] <pt109> hi, does anyone know how to set thin client to kdestart as the default?
[10:24] <pt109> I'm using Edubuntu 6.10
[10:24] <sbalneav> pt109: It should start whatever your default X session is.
[10:25] <sbalneav> Sof if you set KDE to be the default, that should do it.
[10:25] <pt109> Do you know the file I should edit?
[10:25] <sbalneav> looking
[10:27] <sbalneav> Well, I think you can set it using the alternatives system
[10:27] <pt109> Would that be the Xsession file then?
[10:27] <sbalneav> the terminal executes x-session-manager, which points to /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:28] <pt109> OK, I'll give that a try.
[10:28] <sbalneav> and /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager points to gnome-session
[10:28] <pt109> OK
[10:28] <pt109> btw, have you noticed that you need to shut down and restart
[10:29] <sbalneav> so if you set /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager to point to startkde, or whatever KDE uses to kick off a kde session, that should do it.
[10:29] <pt109> thin client to get sound working for other users?
[10:29] <pt109> When I log out and log in as another user, regardless of gnome or kde
[10:29] <sbalneav> pt109: yes, this is a common problem.  It's ESD, which, quite frankly, sucks.
[10:29] <pt109> there is no sound,
[10:29] <sbalneav> However, the good news is, it's being replaces by Pulseaudio in the next version.
[10:30] <pt109> but when I reboot thin client, then no problem with sound
[10:30] <sbalneav> Which DOESN'T suck.
[10:30] <pt109> that's 7.04 ?
[10:30] <sbalneav> yep.
[10:30] <pt109> which stands for April 2007?
[10:30] <sbalneav> yeppers
[10:30] <sbalneav> "Real Soon Now"
[10:30] <pt109> one last question.
[10:30] <sbalneav> Certainly
[10:31] <pt109> When I try to play frozen bubble on thin client no sound - any suggestions?
[10:32] <sbalneav> Ummm, if I remember correctly, FB doesn't use a proper audio stack, but rather simply cat's sound to /dev/dsp, which won't always get forwarded to the thin client.
[10:32] <sbalneav> There's some fiddling which might work, or not.  Best way to fix it would be to get FB to use gstreamer, for proper network audio.
[10:33] <pt109> OK, seems year(s) ago I got it working on the thin client that was a
[10:33] <pt109> pentium I
[10:33] <pt109> I think Jim M. helped me - but that was a while ago...
[10:33] <sbalneav> Yeah, there's a shim that can intercept the /dev/dsp calls, but it's gotten unreliable under the 2.6 kernel series.
[10:34] <sbalneav> it was more reliable under 2.4
[10:34] <pt109> OK
[10:34] <pt109> cool
[10:34] <pt109> I like Edubuntu - great idea
[10:34] <sbalneav> really, NOTHING should write to /dev/dsp.  Anything that uses gstreamer, "just works" for remote sound.
[10:34] <pt109> We're getting highschools to use it in Toronto
[10:34] <pt109> Ontario
[10:35] <pt109> about 3-4 right now, but slowly growing...
[10:35] <sbalneav> Cool, I'm in Winnipeg.
[10:35] <pt109> What's the weather like there?
[10:35] <sbalneav> Mild, at the moment.
[10:36] <pt109> kinda cold here. Snowing
[10:37] <sbalneav> We sent you our weather system.
[10:37] <sbalneav> :)
[10:37] <pt109> ;(
[10:37] <sbalneav> I'll be visiting Toronto for a few days starting Mar 1.
[10:38] <pt109> the /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:38] <pt109> points to /usr/bin/gnome-session
[10:38] <pt109> which is an executable file
[10:38] <sbalneav> yep.
[10:38] <sbalneav> what you'll want to do is something like:
[10:38] <sbalneav> ln -s /usr/bin/startkde /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:39] <pt109> OK
[10:39] <pt109> Will that "clobber" what is there in the front
[10:39] <pt109> (i.e. login screen to not allow other sessions like gnome?)
[10:39] <sbalneav> The terminal just starts "x-session-manager", which is just a symbolic link to whatever session manager you want to use.
[10:39] <pt109> I see
[10:40] <pt109> so it would point to kdm? Is that correct term
[10:40] <sbalneav> No, you'll still be able to SELECT gnome, it just won't be the default if you don't pick anything
[10:40] <sbalneav> yeah.
[10:40] <pt109> cool
[10:40] <pt109> learn something new everyday
[10:40] <pt109> and I thought Xwindows was a big Black Hole
[10:40] <pt109> lol
[10:42] <pt109> if the command indicates that the file already exists that'l still OK, right?
[10:42] <pt109> It just links it - correct?
[10:42] <sbalneav> Should be
[10:42] <sbalneav> quick way to tell is:
[10:42] <sbalneav> ls -la /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[10:43] <sbalneav> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2006-10-23 14:40 /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session
[10:43] <sbalneav> looks like that on mine.
[10:43] <sbalneav> Yours should be -> /usr/bin/startkde
[10:43] <pt109> mine too
[10:44] <pt109> O
[10:44] <pt109> I'm just booting up
[10:44] <sbalneav> OK
[10:44] <sbalneav> What does update-alternatives --list x-session-manager give you?
[10:45] <sbalneav> Ah, this may be easier
[10:45] <pt109> /usr/bin/gnome-session
[10:45] <pt109> /usr/bin/startkde
[10:45] <pt109> aha
[10:45] <sbalneav> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[10:46] <pt109> gottcha
[10:46] <pt109> cool
[10:47] <sbalneav> and then it should set the link for you automagically
[10:47] <pt109> did it
[10:47] <pt109> another trick to put in my pocket.
[10:47] <pt109> I assume that login screen can be modifiable?
[10:48] <pt109> Would it allow for a browser window of users? (probably not - right?)
[10:50] <pt109> You have been very helpful :)
[10:50] <pt109> Thanks for your assistance!
[10:51] <sbalneav> Ummm, I think you can have some kind of user selector, but I'm not sure.
[10:51] <pt109> Well you certainly have helped me today!
[10:51] <pt109> I guess you are saying to wait until
[10:51] <pt109> the next release to fix the sound issue when logging out - right?
[10:52] <sbalneav> Yeah, that'd be my recommendation.
[10:52] <pt109> I gotta go, but If I find a solution to get fb working, I;ll let you know :)
[10:52] <sbalneav> Cool.
[10:52] <sbalneav> Thx
[10:52] <pt109> l8r