=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-1-16.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] manchicken: hi [01:04] Howdy [01:04] Got time for a little /msging? [01:05] I know you've got that fosdem thingy going on. [01:21] woo Riddell! I have been reading about it over at the dot and planet.kde, fosdem looks like it was pretty good [01:26] I'm going to sleep for a week now [01:26] it was pretty tireing [01:28] sounds fun [01:28] heh [01:29] Hopefully UDS will be like that. === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] In conferences like that, if it's easy to get back to your room then you could have been more productive ^_^ [01:33] Or you haven't been drinking enough after supper. === Xerroz [n=xero@71.193.180.90] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:40] well UDS is just ubuntu [01:40] Was fosdem more wide-reaching? [01:40] but fosdem is all of free software, all at once [01:40] Ah. [01:41] there's 12 tracks of talks going on at any one time [01:41] I know they have a lot more conferences in Europe for Free software than they do here. [01:41] and the trick is to manage to get away from the ones your know like KDE and find projects you don't know so you can see how other people work [01:42] That's cool. [01:42] I'm gonna be telecommuting permanently, so I could definitely use some more practice. [01:44] I'm gonna have to beef up my home office considerably. [01:46] Like... buying a phone and a table. heh. === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] jjesse: Hello === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca should really get around to writing that KMail + gpg-agent HOWTO... [02:28] that way I can follow it when I forget how to set it up [02:30] :-) === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] !freedroid [02:36] freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (edgy), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB [02:36] !freedroid feisty [02:36] freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (feisty), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB [02:37] What! [02:37] Wait :) [02:37] !find freedroid [02:37] Found: freedroid, freedroid-data [02:37] Hmm no freedroidRPG === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] Heya [02:58] hi bddebian [02:58] Hi Jucato [02:58] Anybody having trouble updating artwork on an iPod with amarok? Amarok tells me it's updated/transfered, but when I disconnect, I don't see it [02:59] hey bddebian, yuriy [02:59] Hi ryanakca [02:59] hey ryanakca [03:00] hmm always read that as ryanacka before [03:00] lol === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] ryanakca: no i'm not having trouble with it, i don't have such an evil device ;) [03:03] lol [03:04] hi bddebian [03:05] Heya DaSkreech [03:05] Yo [03:05] nixternal: Sup? [03:18] !atlantik feisty [03:18] atlantik: KDE client for Monopoly-like network games. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 377 kB, installed size 1080 kB [03:19] Strange the version i kurrently have is 0.7.5 They must have done a hell of a lot of development === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=opera@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=opera@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [05:40] http://canllaith.org/?p=28 [05:40] Heya Hobbsee [05:41] hey DaSkreech [05:42] how are you? [05:42] good :) [05:42] boo [05:42] trying to figure otu deliveries and rain [05:42] nixternal: BOO!!!! [05:42] hiya kubuntueros [05:42] ahhhh!@!@!# === Hobbsee wonders if Riddell is around === DaSkreech kicks nixternal [05:42] thanks DaSkreech [05:42] Is he at FOSDEM? [05:43] nixternal: I poked you hours ago! [05:43] he is sleeping right now [05:43] you did? [05:43] and Hobbsee breathes in here and you wake up [05:43] so did about 50 other people, so I may have overlooked it [05:44] I have been cleaning up after an ice storm, then a snow storm, then another ice storm, then 2 or 3 more snow storms, and a small thunderstorm in between [05:44] nixternal: Nice tropical home huh? [05:44] and now we are currently getting another inch or 2 of snow [05:44] hah, one of these days I will live in Mexico === nixternal can't wait [05:45] Or mexico will move to you one of the two [05:45] DaSkreech: heh [05:45] heh [05:46] Hobbsee: heh? [05:46] nixternal: Hehing the heh? [05:46] heh [05:46] hahahaha [05:46] DaSkreech: at him waking up at me breathing [05:47] Hobbsee: Well I only use evidence presented [05:47] I must say, Kivio sucks for flow charting [05:47] Connecting is a pita [05:50] DaSkreech: heh [05:50] :-P [05:50] Well nixternal and jjesse were ignoring me so I'm peeved [05:51] what? [05:51] haha [05:51] Ah well Book is shipping off tomorrow [05:52] I swore jjesse told me the freeze wasn't for a couple of weeks [05:53] He might have. I don't know. He told me he had to get it off by Monday [05:53] I don't know if the freeze is monday I sure hope not cause he had huge sections unwritten and incorrect [05:53] draft 0.0.1 alpha maybe? [05:54] hopefully [05:54] what happened to the always use this action for this type of file option? [05:54] there is a LOT of missing information [06:00] nixternal: hmm i rather liked kivio actually. my roommate was impressed by it :D [06:01] Yeah [06:01] Has anyone seen the Gnome Screensaver in Feisty? [06:02] wth is GNOME? :) [06:04] It's this evil european thing [06:05] lol [06:06] But the screensaver is envious === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:24] When you do a preview of the screensaver you can press a next button to see the next one in the list [06:26] neat [06:26] but you still can't actually configure the screensaver can you [06:29] Nope Gnome is silly [06:30] Course KDE did take out the one part of xscreensaver I love === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db442f9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:35] Did Kubuntu take screensavers out? [07:37] hmmm? [07:37] Just looked in the screensaver dialog. It looks sparse [07:37] i have screensavers.. though i guess that's not an indicator of much.. [07:37] How many per category? [07:38] oh whoa you're right [07:38] all the openGL ones are still there, but the rest only have 2-3 [07:38] oh well why run a screensaver without opengl prettiness [07:39] No drivers? [07:41] there are extra screensavers to install [07:41] search in adept/synaptic whatever for screensaver [07:41] CD space? [07:41] !find screensaver [07:41] Found: gnome-screensaver, kscreensaver, kscreensaver-xsavers, screensaver-default-images, xscreensaver (and 6 others) [07:43] It looks like some screensavers are really made just for KDE [07:44] maybe kscreensaver-xsavers was installed before [07:45] DaSkreech: have you seen the fireworkgs GL screensaver? it shoots up stuff like kde icons and text [07:45] Yeah [07:46] yuriy: checked the config for it? [07:46] no, why? [07:47] You can add in new fireworks [07:48] Ooooer [07:48] pretty sexy [07:48] We should have this one on by default [07:49] Well good night all [07:50] night DaSkreech [07:51] yuriy: tried the new fireworks? add some bang to the show === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED679.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-98-67.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.2.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F431A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=QQgPbBVY@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cuco [n=elcuco@bzq-88-154-231-126.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino_ [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED679.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-7a296b9b75d850bf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === elcuco_ [n=elcuco@bzq-88-154-231-126.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@219.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:39] hey ;) [10:39] _Sime_: did you commit the guidance fix to svn ? [10:39] _Sime_: I can prepapre a package === serzholino_ [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:49] Tonio_: hi! just wanted to as if it would be possible to make the ActionList: viewmode_toolbar an actual item under the "Available actions" column? [10:51] because if it has been removed (like when customizing the toolbar), there's no way to get it back (unless you know the exact entry in konq-kubuntu.rc [10:52] Jucato: you can! it is in the options of the menubar [10:52] ooh where? === Jucato is getting blind [10:52] if you customize the toolbar, you get the button... [10:52] I don't know exactly where, but I know it's in, since that's the way I configured it for kds defaults [10:54] Tonio_: for example, I right-click on the toolbar -> Configure Toolbar -> put the actionlist item from the Current Actions to Available Actions, it won't show up in Available Actions... at least not on Edgy... [10:55] ah ! viewmode toolbar ! sorry I was on something else :) [10:56] I don't think it is possible to add toolbars to those lists, but I'll have a look [10:56] ah so that single button is actually a whole toolbar? [10:56] hmm... interesting... :) [10:56] which button ? [10:57] you never talked about a button :) [10:57] I'm lost sorry... [10:57] ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [10:57] yes, okay [10:57] hm... I thought you were the one that patched Konqueror so that the 3 view mode buttons would be a single one [10:57] :D [10:58] no that's a button, but not a standard one [10:58] technically it is a toolbar, since the default is 3 buttons [10:58] ah. it's probably too late for feisty anyway. but thought you'd like to know that once it's gone, it's gone :) [10:58] I patched to get them merged, but I'd like to get that patch removed.... needs debatting [10:58] yes I know that's an issue [10:59] but that's kde defaults issue.... [10:59] ah [10:59] and no I don't think that's too late, that's not a spec.... that's really hackish, so I'd like to get that removed... [11:00] ah so we're going back to the 3 view mode buttons? [11:01] I'd like too [11:01] O.o === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:08] <_StefanS_> hi there === froud_ [n=sean@dsl-242-189-220.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4430d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4433c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F431A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar__ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-233.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] Lure: we have to get rid of konqueror not talking to websites if network manager isn't being used [12:21] it doesn't do anything user friendly, it just has the same error message as if the web server is broken [12:24] Riddell: happens only when knetworkmanager is used but no connection found, right? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] mhb: well, when knetworkmanager is loaded [12:31] but i've decided not to use it because it's not showing the network I know exists [12:31] Riddell: that's what I meant. More apps behave like konqueror in this manner [12:31] there's just no advantage to it [12:32] yay, Riddell is here. [12:32] Riddell: i tried to test the dist-upgrader, btw. [12:33] Hobbsee: what happened? === Hobbsee grabs logs for hte error message === hunger_t is now known as hunger [12:34] Riddell: couldnt connect to the display 0:0, iirc [12:46] Riddell: they have same problem in gnome :-( [12:47] Riddell: problem is that n-m is not aware of static interfaces === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] Riddell: I am testing version of n-m that shows all interfaces, but it has side effects :-( [12:47] Riddell: you should talk with seb128 how they plan to address it for gnome [12:50] Riddell: re digikam> can we push libkexiv2 source package in Feisty on fast track as it is just code moved out of digikam into separate library? 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[02:29] Hobbsee: the blue stripe on top of the active tab - the blue scroll bars (I like it to blend with the rest) - the blue columns-headers seems over the top for me - for the rest great [02:30] but all is my opinion === Jucato thinks he means the Polyester widget style [02:31] ah [02:31] huh? [02:31] I had plastik [02:31] oh... [02:31] how can that be changed [02:32] what is the default?! [02:34] Jucato: what is the feisty default style?! 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[03:16] toma: Right, mine, too :D [03:16] ;-) === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp85-140-71-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] hi [03:21] does the current character for password boxes have code U+2219 ? [03:23] jjesse: Hey hey [03:24] Blue scroll bars? [03:24] Do more people here see flickering when hovering the location bar and there's a URL in it? [03:26] sebas: if it flickers on my PC, I don't notice that? :P [03:26] Why not? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [03:27] sebas: may be it flickers faster than my monitor's refresh rate? [03:27] :) [03:28] It's gotta be *very* low to not see that then [03:28] Heya [03:28] It gets repainted but doesn't seem to be double-buffered though [03:29] jjesse: ping [03:30] Hm, same on Edgy, it doesn't seem to be a regression then [03:30] sebas: it's very strange if everything except only location bar with URL is double-buffered [03:31] Well, Qt3 doesn't double-buffer by default [03:32] sebas: X Window should double-buffer. else EVERYTHING would flicker [03:33] Riddell: By what measuring stick is katapult an advanced users tool? === xero_ [n=xero@c-71-193-180-90.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] DaSkreech: because not everyone can use parachute? [03:34] O.o [03:34] dinosaur-rus: that's parakhute :) [03:37] DaSkreech: and almost nobody even knows what's a parakhute :)) === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44548.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db4454b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [03:51] DaSkreech: pong [03:51] jjesse: how goes the book? [03:51] Today is the deadline right? [03:51] DaSkreech: good yeah today is the day [03:51] screen shots today [03:53] Ok [03:53] you got your insert here things cleaned up? [03:53] who sent CTCP VERSION request to me? [03:54] you can check see who sent the request [03:55] jjesse: Want to send me the text while you take shotties so I can review quickly? [03:57] Jucato: my IRC client says "CTCP VERSION reply sent to freenode-connect: ...", but I can't believe that the server is so curious :) [03:57] dinosaur-rus: freenode sends that once in a while, specially during server problems [03:58] Jucato: ohh.. === xero_ [n=xero@c-71-193-180-90.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] Jucato: statistics of IRC clients used on freenode? === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] I think 100% of them are connected === xero__ [n=xero@c-71-193-180-90.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] what character is used for password boxes? U+2219? [04:10] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I would download the source to kdebase, and check that... I honestly don't know. [04:10] DaSkreech: not yet [04:12] jjesse: Well I can read it without the screenshots :) Parallelization [04:12] _StefanS_ omg that'd be searching a needle in a haystack :) === xero__ [n=xero@c-71-193-180-90.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: well, If you find the original article where the first finding was posted, and crosscheck that with the source, I think should easily find it [04:14] dinosaur-rus: you should ask danimo, since it is his patch. [04:16] Jucato: is that his full nick? [04:16] _StefanS_ isn't small dot Kubuntu-specific, is it? AFAIK vanilla KDE stays with big circle... [04:16] yes [04:16] Jucato thx [04:16] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I'm looking at the patches now .. [04:18] _StefanS_: oh I don't think you should spend your time by doing something exclusively for me :P [04:18] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: dont worry I wont , I have to do some regular work :) [04:19] _StefanS_ :) [04:19] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: couldn't find it at first glance === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-18925ca21c6641c1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] _StefanS_: well, I just wanted to suggest U+2022 as it's something between small dot and big circle. I guess it should look better. [04:22] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I know there has been alot of discussions regarding the size of those dots... you might want to talk to Riddell, or Tonio_ about the decisions made there === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === dinosaur-rus pokes Riddel === dinosaur-rus pokes Riddell [04:26] <_StefanS_> you should ping him === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dinosaur-rus shoots at Riddell with rubber bullets :) === sebas thinks that discussing the size of the bullets if a waste of time. [04:28] sebas: make that configurable? [04:28] That's even worse. [04:29] dinosaur-rus: you should only poke once, not twice within a one minute interval [04:29] might also be better if you left a message instead [04:29] "Make it configurable" is often the poor reaction to "I'm too dumb to make a sensible default" [04:29] Jucato: in the first poking I made a typo in his nick [04:29] Really, noone wants a configuration dialogue cluttered with this kind of nonsense. [04:30] sebas: I'd only want it configurable if I can change them to whatever I want. Not just little blobs [04:31] sebas: regarding to kubuntu-devel mailing list people don't like big circles nor small dots [04:31] DaSkreech: that might be nice [04:31] Misinterpretation, *some* people don't have better things to do than bikeshedding. [04:32] sebas: make a poll? [04:33] No, make something default and cut the crap. [04:33] No more time-wasting on that. [04:33] It's plain ridiculous. === DaSkreech agrees with sebas. Its' not a lot of time. === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.64.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] Plus if you are going to make it configurable you'd have to go more whole hoggish which means you still have to come up with a good default. so you are back to here [04:36] what's the big fuss about something you don't actually need to read, and only see for a flash? [04:36] DaSkreech: so why not to stick on something "not too big and not too small"? [04:36] Jucato: It's distracting [04:36] plus it may go against Kubuntu Code [04:37] which is? [04:37] Ignoring common sense is against ... common sense. [04:37] Jucato: then what was the reason for changing big dot to small one? [04:37] People with disabilites should be able to use the system easily (too small is bloody hard to read) while looking pretty too big is garish [04:38] dunno. didn't even know they changed it :D [04:38] :) === sebas reminds that font size is configurable already. [04:39] sebas: increase font just to get bigger dots? it's even crazier than discussing what's better :P [04:39] the point DaSkreech was making was accessibility. [04:40] and people with those problems would be using bigger fonts anyway [04:40] No, that's for visually disabled people. If they can't see those dots, they're unlikely that they can read any letter. [04:40] Well when you have small dots and aer trying to count them to see how many letters you have typed already they start to dance in front of your eyes === sebas goes back to work. [04:41] DaSkreech: dancing dots are Kubuntu's easter egg :)) [04:42] DaSkreech: undocumented feature :)) === dinosaur-rus suggests to stop that useless discussion [04:45] for taking screenshots for the chpater, the upgrade manager still shows the release notes mentioning feisty is still alpha, is there a way to get a screenshot of that w/ finial release notes? [04:47] jjesse: final release'll be in April ;) [04:47] i know, i'm just curiosu if there is a way i can chagne [04:47] soemthign so it doesn't say alpha release or test release [04:50] jjesse: IIRC the upgrade manager (if you're talking about what is at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade) is Python script, so it shouldn't be hard [04:50] to change that message [04:50] dinosaur-rus: yes that's what i'm looking [04:50] jjesse: Oh can I still send in my recipe? [04:50] DaSkreech: sure === Jucato wonders if it's too late to modify/add Konqueror's Web Shortcuts to include help.ubuntu.com/community searches [04:54] Jucato: it is never too late if you are a friend of Tonio_ ;-) [04:55] hehe I think I've poked Tonio too many times :D [04:55] Lure: maybe I can apply to be your friend too when I go to -motu and ask dozens of questions hehe :) [04:56] Jucato: Tonio_ really likes to do this kind of "final touches" to Kubuntu [05:01] ohh, is it really necessary to do so many steps to upgrade Edgy to Feisty? I made that in easier way :) [05:01] dinosaur-rus: It's one line [05:03] DaSkreech: I'm talking about steps described at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade === freeflying [n=freeflyi@205.196.222.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] dinosaur-rus: those steps are for testing "the new Kubuntu Dist Upgrade tool"... not sure if those will be the same steps when actually upgrading (w/ or w/o the upgrade tool) === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-200-99.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech waves at yuriy === manchicken [n=mstemle@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] Jucato: ah... ok [05:12] DaSkreech: will you get that recipe to my by tonight [05:13] jjesse: I'll send it now === jjesse is flying for about 5 hours this afternoon [05:14] Jucato: actually they don't worry me as I've upgraded to Feisty when it got to Herd 3 stage :) [05:14] mornin DaSkreech [05:15] dinosaur-rus: ah, you probably missed one of the highlights of Feisty :) [05:18] Jucato: what exactly? [05:18] the upgrade tool [05:18] Jucato: hehe, I don't care of it :) [05:19] I don't get it. how can you miss that? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:19] the upgrade manager you have to add Riddell's repositories in order for it to work [05:21] It's not like the majority of people moving to Feisty will use it [05:22] ? [05:22] they will, that's the whole point [05:22] ooh, 1.6.2 is out for KOffice [05:23] hiya jjesse, Riddell, DaSkreech, Jucato, and everyone else watching :) [05:23] hi nixternal!!! [05:23] It's in edgy already? [05:23] Riddell: how? [05:23] yuriy: the dist upgrade tool? instructions are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade# [05:23] they're a bit out of date [05:24] by adding the repo or will it be put into edgy when feisty comes out? [05:24] yuriy: it'll be in edgy-updates [05:24] oh nice [05:24] I have 2 annoying bugs I believe with Feisty. 1) sometimes when I type it acts like I am holding down a key and it repeats and 2) KNetworkManager requires me to shutoff my wifi connection prior to logon and then turn it back on immediately after logging in [05:25] hiya nixternal [05:28] Can We do anything above Wep for Wireless? [05:28] above wep? [05:29] nixternal: I have 1) all the time [05:29] nixternal: benc also has it, so I'm hoping it'll get fixed [05:29] i have 1 as well [05:29] but i just tought it was my vm [05:30] Security wise? WPA ? [05:31] NetworkManager does WPA out of the box [05:32] ok. Someone was blogging that it doesn't [05:33] Riddell: we had a stupid "password box character" discussion here, where I suggested U+2022 as a compromiss between small dots and big circles [05:33] Riddell: I don't want another endless holy war, just said my suggestion/opinion :)) [05:33] I've no idea where that's defined, if it is [05:35] dinosaur-rus: i think that is in the theme polyester when you switch themesit goes back to * [05:38] DaSkreech: it doesn't always work with every card.... [05:38] some cards are flakey [05:38] jdong: as per driver situation? [05:38] Riddell: Are we taking kate out of Kubuntu? [05:39] DaSkreech: why? [05:39] They are taking it out of kdebase [05:39] what are they using instead? [05:39] kwrite [05:40] DaSkreech: no we're not [05:40] Oh by what measure is katapult an application for advanced users? [05:41] people have to know the application names and be prepared to type them [05:41] it's not on the same level as autoconf, just a step above the normal application menu [05:41] And that's more difficult than knowing where it is in the menu? [05:42] yes it is [05:42] How? [05:42] all I have to know is the name of the app [05:42] in some cases not even that [05:42] I just have to know word processor [05:42] Or web browser [05:44] You can't honestly think that typing digikam is harder than hunting around for it in Multimedia [05:47] DaSkreech: it not teh typing, its teh remebering when there are several apps that do the same thing [05:51] n8k99: I'm not arguing that katapult is replacing the kmenu I'm saying it's easier to use once you know the name of the application. Easier even than the k-menu [05:52] and is more useful to newbies [05:52] DaSkreech: i don't disagree with you [05:52] It's the same reason why in windowsXP once you have found an application it sticks to the menu because it's easier than going through the menu [05:52] and wish that it had some more functionality like Quicksilver does [05:53] That's being worked on :) [05:53] n8k99: it has lots of plugins now... and more are coming :) [05:53] great! [05:54] n8k99: What quicksilver thing do you miss as a matter of polling [05:54] append text [05:54] ah that would be a plugin [05:54] it'd be really great if it ould append text into knotes [05:54] I'd love if it could show text floating on the screen but that's really a KDE issue === blackmoon [n=IRC@host97-95-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] could [05:56] Yeah I'll make a note of that [05:56] knotes? baskets!! :D [05:56] j/k [05:57] well in reality it would be sweet if most kapps could drop some functionality if they wanted into katapult === wahle [n=wahle@c-24-19-248-215.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] hey, anyone have any problems with the updates today removing kubuntu-desktop and apt-updater, etc etc? === guglielf_ [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:00] wahle: no, what updated? [06:01] dunno [06:01] hi, i've found a non critical bug (but i don't know if this can be callled bug) in amd64 dvd. the kubuntu logo at startup (in live mode) is flat and 8-bit color, and not like the jelly bright on 32-bit version... i've thested on diferent amd64 machines but with same result... === apokryphos gives Riddell a wave 8) [06:01] did an update today and it removed a bunch of packages including kubuntu-desktop [06:02] then i didn't have the graphical installer anymore (i forgot what it is called) and so i went and installed aptitude and tried to install kubuntu-desktop and it gives me a dependency error that says . . . [06:03] adept-* depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.52 [UNAVAILABLE] [06:04] wahle: edgy or feisty? === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] hola apokryphos [06:04] blackmoon: that's deliberate [06:05] Riddell: feisty === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] Riddell: any ideas? [06:11] k-d-s still not overwriting kdmrc :( [06:12] wahle: I confirm, maybe we need to recompile adept [06:12] yuriy_: why should it? [06:13]