[12:58] <Riddell> manchicken: hi
[01:04] <manchicken> Howdy
[01:04] <manchicken> Got time for a little /msging?
[01:05] <manchicken> I know you've got that fosdem thingy going on.
[01:21] <nixternal> woo Riddell! I have been reading about it over at the dot and planet.kde, fosdem looks like it was pretty good
[01:26] <Riddell> I'm going to sleep for a week now
[01:26] <Riddell> it was pretty tireing
[01:28] <ryanakca> sounds fun 
[01:28] <manchicken> heh
[01:29] <manchicken> Hopefully UDS will be like that.
[01:32] <manchicken> In conferences like that, if it's easy to get back to your room then you could have been more productive ^_^
[01:33] <manchicken> Or you haven't been drinking enough after supper.
[01:40] <Riddell> well UDS is just ubuntu
[01:40] <manchicken> Was fosdem more wide-reaching?
[01:40] <Riddell> but fosdem is all of free software, all at once
[01:40] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:41] <Riddell> there's 12 tracks of talks going on at any one time
[01:41] <manchicken> I know they have a lot more conferences in Europe for Free software than they do here.
[01:41] <Riddell> and the trick is to manage to get away from the ones your know like KDE and find projects you don't know so you can see how other people work
[01:42] <manchicken> That's cool.
[01:42] <manchicken> I'm gonna be telecommuting permanently, so I could definitely use some more practice.
[01:44] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to beef up my home office considerably.
[01:46] <manchicken> Like... buying a phone and a table.  heh.
[02:23] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Hello
[02:28] <ryanakca> that way I can follow it when I forget how to set it up 
[02:30] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:36] <DaSkreech> !freedroid
[02:36] <ubotu> freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (edgy), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB
[02:36] <DaSkreech> !freedroid feisty
[02:36] <ubotu> freedroid: A clone of Paradroid - a strategic shoot-em up. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.2+cvs040112-1 (feisty), package size 134 kB, installed size 312 kB
[02:37] <DaSkreech> What!
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Wait :)
[02:37] <DaSkreech> !find freedroid
[02:37] <ubotu> Found: freedroid, freedroid-data
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Hmm no freedroidRPG
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya
[02:58] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[02:58] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[02:58] <ryanakca> Anybody having trouble updating artwork on an iPod with amarok? Amarok tells me it's updated/transfered, but when I disconnect, I don't see it
[02:59] <ryanakca> hey bddebian, yuriy
[02:59] <bddebian> Hi ryanakca
[02:59] <yuriy> hey ryanakca
[03:00] <yuriy> hmm always read that as ryanacka before
[03:00] <ryanakca> lol
[03:03] <yuriy> ryanakca: no i'm not having trouble with it, i don't have such an evil device ;)
[03:03] <ryanakca> lol
[03:04] <DaSkreech> hi bddebian
[03:05] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Yo
[03:05] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Sup?
[03:18] <DaSkreech> !atlantik feisty
[03:18] <ubotu> atlantik: KDE client for Monopoly-like network games. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 377 kB, installed size 1080 kB
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Strange the version i kurrently have is 0.7.5 They must have done a hell of a lot of development
[05:40] <DaSkreech> http://canllaith.org/?p=28
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Heya Hobbsee
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:42] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> good :)
[05:42] <nixternal> boo
[05:42] <Hobbsee> trying to figure otu deliveries and rain
[05:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: BOO!!!!
[05:42] <nixternal> hiya kubuntueros
[05:42] <nixternal> ahhhh!@!@!#
[05:42] <nixternal> thanks DaSkreech
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Is he at FOSDEM?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I poked you hours ago!
[05:43] <nixternal> he is sleeping right now
[05:43] <nixternal> you did?
[05:43] <DaSkreech> and Hobbsee breathes in here and you wake up
[05:43] <nixternal> so did about 50 other people, so I may have overlooked it
[05:44] <nixternal> I have been cleaning up after an ice storm, then a snow storm, then another ice storm, then 2 or 3 more snow storms, and a small thunderstorm in between
[05:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Nice tropical home huh?
[05:44] <nixternal> and now we are currently getting another inch or 2 of snow
[05:44] <nixternal> hah, one of these days I will live in Mexico
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Or mexico will move to you one of the two
[05:45] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh
[05:45] <nixternal> heh
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: heh?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hehing the heh?
[05:46] <nixternal> heh
[05:46] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: at him waking up at me breathing
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Well I only use evidence presented
[05:47] <nixternal> I must say, Kivio sucks for flow charting
[05:47] <nixternal> Connecting is a pita
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: heh
[05:50] <DaSkreech> :-P
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Well nixternal and jjesse were ignoring me so I'm peeved
[05:51] <nixternal> what?
[05:51] <nixternal> haha
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Ah well Book is shipping off tomorrow
[05:52] <nixternal> I swore jjesse told me the freeze wasn't for a couple of weeks
[05:53] <DaSkreech> He might have. I don't know. He told me he had to get it off by Monday
[05:53] <DaSkreech> I don't know if the freeze is monday I sure hope not cause he had huge sections unwritten and incorrect
[05:53] <DaSkreech> draft 0.0.1 alpha maybe?
[05:54] <nixternal> hopefully
[05:54] <yuriy> what happened to the always use this action for this type of file option?
[05:54] <nixternal> there is a LOT of missing information
[06:00] <yuriy> nixternal: hmm i rather liked kivio actually. my roommate was impressed by it :D
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Has anyone seen the Gnome Screensaver in Feisty?
[06:02] <nixternal> wth is GNOME? :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> It's this evil european thing
[06:05] <nixternal> lol
[06:06] <DaSkreech> But the screensaver is envious
[06:24] <DaSkreech> When you do a preview of the screensaver you can press a next button  to see the next one in the list
[06:26] <yuriy> neat
[06:26] <yuriy> but you still can't actually configure the screensaver can you
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Nope Gnome is silly
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Course KDE did take out the one part of xscreensaver I love
[07:35] <DaSkreech> Did Kubuntu take screensavers out?
[07:37] <yuriy> hmmm?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> Just looked in the screensaver dialog. It looks sparse
[07:37] <yuriy> i have screensavers.. though i guess that's not an indicator of much..
[07:37] <DaSkreech> How many per category?
[07:38] <yuriy> oh whoa you're right
[07:38] <yuriy> all the openGL ones are still there, but the rest only have 2-3
[07:38] <yuriy> oh well why run a screensaver without opengl prettiness
[07:39] <DaSkreech> No drivers?
[07:41] <lotusleaf> there are extra screensavers to install
[07:41] <lotusleaf> search in adept/synaptic whatever for screensaver
[07:41] <DaSkreech> CD space?
[07:41] <DaSkreech> !find screensaver
[07:41] <ubotu> Found: gnome-screensaver, kscreensaver, kscreensaver-xsavers, screensaver-default-images, xscreensaver (and 6 others)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> It looks like some screensavers are really made just for KDE
[07:44] <yuriy> maybe kscreensaver-xsavers was installed before
[07:45] <yuriy> DaSkreech: have you seen the fireworkgs GL screensaver? it shoots up stuff like kde icons and text
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:46] <DaSkreech> yuriy: checked the config for it?
[07:46] <yuriy> no, why?
[07:47] <DaSkreech> You can add in new fireworks
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Ooooer
[07:48] <DaSkreech> pretty sexy
[07:48] <DaSkreech> We should have this one on by default
[07:49] <DaSkreech> Well good night all
[07:50] <yuriy> night DaSkreech
[07:51] <DaSkreech> yuriy: tried the new fireworks? add some bang to the show
[10:39] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[10:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: did you commit the guidance fix to svn ?
[10:39] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can prepapre a package
[10:49] <Jucato> Tonio_: hi! just wanted to as if it would be possible to make the ActionList: viewmode_toolbar an actual item under the "Available actions" column?
[10:51] <Jucato> because if it has been removed (like when customizing the toolbar), there's no way to get it back (unless you know the exact entry in konq-kubuntu.rc
[10:52] <Tonio_> Jucato: you can! it is in the options of the menubar
[10:52] <Jucato> ooh where?
[10:52] <Tonio_> if you customize the toolbar, you get the button...
[10:52] <Tonio_> I don't know exactly where, but I know it's in, since that's the way I configured it for kds defaults
[10:54] <Jucato> Tonio_: for example, I right-click on the toolbar -> Configure Toolbar -> put the actionlist item from the Current Actions to Available Actions,  it won't show up in Available Actions... at least not on Edgy...
[10:55] <Tonio_> ah ! viewmode toolbar ! sorry I was on something else :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> I don't think it is possible to add toolbars to those lists, but I'll have a look
[10:56] <Jucato> ah so that single button is actually a whole toolbar?
[10:56] <Jucato> hmm... interesting... :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> which button ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> you never talked about a button :)
[10:57] <Tonio_> I'm lost sorry...
[10:57] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:57] <Tonio_> yes, okay
[10:57] <Jucato> hm... I thought you were the one that patched Konqueror so that the 3 view mode buttons would be a single one
[10:57] <Jucato> :D
[10:58] <Tonio_> no that's a button, but not a standard one
[10:58] <Tonio_> technically it is a toolbar, since the default is 3 buttons
[10:58] <Jucato> ah. it's probably too late for feisty anyway. but thought you'd like to know that once it's gone, it's gone :)
[10:58] <Tonio_> I patched to get them merged, but I'd like to get that patch removed.... needs debatting
[10:58] <Tonio_> yes I know that's an issue
[10:59] <Tonio_> but that's kde defaults issue....
[10:59] <Jucato> ah
[10:59] <Tonio_> and no I don't think that's too late, that's not a spec.... that's really hackish, so I'd like to get that removed...
[11:00] <Jucato> ah so we're going back to the 3 view mode buttons?
[11:01] <Tonio_> I'd like too
[11:01] <Jucato> O.o
[11:08] <_StefanS_> hi there
[12:21] <Riddell> Lure: we have to get rid of konqueror not talking to websites if network manager isn't being used
[12:21] <Riddell> it doesn't do anything user friendly, it just has the same error message as if the web server is broken
[12:24] <mhb> Riddell: happens only when knetworkmanager is used but no connection found, right?
[12:31] <Riddell> mhb: well, when knetworkmanager is loaded
[12:31] <Riddell> but i've decided not to use it because it's not showing the network I know exists
[12:31] <mhb> Riddell: that's what I meant. More apps behave like konqueror in this manner
[12:31] <Riddell> there's just no advantage to it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yay, Riddell is here.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i tried to test the dist-upgrader, btw.
[12:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what happened?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: couldnt connect to the display 0:0, iirc
[12:46] <Lure> Riddell: they have same problem in gnome :-(
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that n-m is not aware of static interfaces
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: I am testing version of n-m that shows all interfaces, but it has side effects :-(
[12:47] <Lure> Riddell: you should talk with seb128 how they plan to address it for gnome
[12:50] <Lure> Riddell: re digikam> can we push libkexiv2 source package in Feisty on fast track as it is just code moved out of digikam into separate library?
[12:51] <Lure> Riddell: or we need to go standard way (FFe/UVFe for universe, MIR...)
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> wow
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> feisty is fast
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> even with the new eye-candy
[02:25] <jeroenvrp> good work folks
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> allthough I don't like all new eye-candy
[02:26] <Hobbsee> oh?
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> Hobbsee: the blue stripe on top of the active tab - the blue scroll bars (I like it to blend with the rest) - the blue columns-headers seems over the top for me - for the rest great
[02:30] <jeroenvrp> but all is my opinion
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> huh?
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> I had plastik
[02:31] <Jucato> oh...
[02:31] <jeroenvrp> how can that be changed
[02:32] <jeroenvrp> what is the default?!
[02:34] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: what is the feisty default style?!
[02:34] <Jucato> Polyester
[02:35] <jeroenvrp> oh
[02:35] <jeroenvrp> than I have the righ tone
[02:52] <jjesse> monring
[03:15] <toma> sebas: thats a really useless post !
[03:16] <sebas> toma: Right, mine, too :D
[03:16] <toma> ;-)
[03:18] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:21] <dinosaur-rus> does the current character for password boxes have code U+2219 ?
[03:23] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Hey hey
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Blue scroll bars?
[03:24] <sebas> Do more people here see flickering when hovering the location bar and there's a URL in it?
[03:26] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: if it flickers on my PC, I don't notice that? :P
[03:26] <sebas> Why not?
[03:27] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: may be it flickers faster than my monitor's refresh rate?
[03:27] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[03:28] <sebas> It's gotta be *very* low to not see that then
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:28] <sebas> It gets repainted but doesn't seem to be double-buffered though
[03:29] <DaSkreech> jjesse: ping
[03:30] <sebas> Hm, same on Edgy, it doesn't seem to be a regression then
[03:30] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: it's very strange if everything except only location bar with URL is double-buffered
[03:31] <sebas> Well, Qt3 doesn't double-buffer by default
[03:32] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: X Window should double-buffer. else EVERYTHING would flicker
[03:33] <DaSkreech> Riddell: By what measuring stick is katapult an advanced users tool?
[03:34] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: because not everyone can use parachute?
[03:34] <Jucato> O.o
[03:34] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: that's parakhute :)
[03:37] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: and almost nobody even knows what's a parakhute :))
[03:51] <jjesse> DaSkreech: pong
[03:51] <DaSkreech> jjesse: how goes the book?
[03:51] <DaSkreech>  Today is the deadline right?
[03:51] <jjesse> DaSkreech: good yeah today is the day
[03:51] <jjesse> screen shots today
[03:53] <DaSkreech> Ok
[03:53] <DaSkreech>  you got your insert here things cleaned up?
[03:53] <dinosaur-rus> who sent CTCP VERSION request to me?
[03:54] <Jucato> you can check see who sent the request
[03:55] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Want to send me the text while you take shotties so I can review quickly?
[03:57] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: my IRC client says "CTCP VERSION reply sent to freenode-connect: ...", but I can't believe that the server is so curious :)
[03:57] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: freenode sends that once in a while, specially during server problems
[03:58] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: ohh..
[03:59] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: statistics of IRC clients used on freenode?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I think 100% of them are connected
[04:08] <dinosaur-rus> what character is used for password boxes? U+2219?
[04:10] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I would download the source to kdebase, and check that... I honestly don't know.
[04:10] <jjesse> DaSkreech: not yet
[04:12] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Well I can read it without the screenshots :) Parallelization
[04:12] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ omg that'd be searching a needle in a haystack :)
[04:14] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: well, If you find the original article where the first finding was posted, and crosscheck that with the source, I think should easily find it
[04:14] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: you should ask danimo, since it is his patch.
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: is that his full nick?
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ isn't small dot Kubuntu-specific, is it? AFAIK vanilla KDE stays with big circle...
[04:16] <Jucato> yes
[04:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato thx
[04:16] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I'm looking at the patches now ..
[04:18] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: oh I don't think you should spend your time by doing something exclusively for me :P
[04:18] <_StefanS_>  dinosaur-rus: dont worry I wont , I have to do some regular work :)
[04:19] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_ :)
[04:19] <_StefanS_>  dinosaur-rus: couldn't find it at first glance
[04:21] <dinosaur-rus> _StefanS_: well, I just wanted to suggest U+2022 as it's something between small dot and big circle. I guess it should look better.
[04:22] <_StefanS_> dinosaur-rus: I know there has been alot of discussions regarding the size of those dots... you might want to talk to Riddell, or Tonio_ about the decisions made there
[04:26] <_StefanS_> you should ping him
[04:28] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: make that configurable?
[04:28] <sebas> That's even worse.
[04:29] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: you should only poke once, not twice within a one minute interval
[04:29] <Jucato> might also be better if you left a message instead
[04:29] <sebas> "Make it configurable" is often the poor reaction to "I'm too dumb to make a sensible default"
[04:29] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: in the first poking I made a typo in his nick
[04:29] <sebas> Really, noone wants a configuration dialogue cluttered with this kind of nonsense.
[04:30] <DaSkreech> sebas: I'd only want it configurable if I can change them to whatever I want. Not just little blobs
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: regarding to kubuntu-devel mailing list people don't like big circles nor small dots
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: that might be nice
[04:31] <sebas> Misinterpretation, *some* people don't have better things to do than bikeshedding.
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: make a poll?
[04:33] <sebas> No, make something default and cut the crap.
[04:33] <sebas> No more time-wasting on that.
[04:33] <sebas> It's plain ridiculous.
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Plus if you are going to make it configurable you'd have to go more whole hoggish which means you still have to come up with a good default. so you are back to here
[04:36] <Jucato> what's the big fuss about something you don't actually need to read, and only see for a flash?
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: so why not to stick on something "not too big and not too small"?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: It's distracting
[04:36] <DaSkreech> plus it may go against Kubuntu Code
[04:37] <Jucato> which is?
[04:37] <sebas> Ignoring common sense is against ... common sense.
[04:37] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: then what was the reason for changing big dot to small one?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> People with disabilites should be able to use the system easily (too small is bloody hard to read) while looking pretty too big is garish
[04:38] <Jucato> dunno. didn't even know they changed it :D
[04:38] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[04:39] <dinosaur-rus> sebas: increase font just to get bigger dots? it's even crazier than discussing what's better :P
[04:39] <Jucato> the point DaSkreech was making was accessibility.
[04:40] <Jucato> and people with those problems would be using bigger fonts anyway
[04:40] <sebas> No, that's for visually disabled people. If they can't see those dots, they're unlikely that they can read any letter.
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Well when you have small dots and aer trying to count them to see how many letters you have typed already they start to dance in front of your eyes
[04:41] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: dancing dots are Kubuntu's easter egg :))
[04:42] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: undocumented feature :))
[04:45] <jjesse> for taking screenshots for the chpater, the upgrade manager still shows the release notes mentioning feisty is still alpha, is there a way to get a screenshot of that w/ finial release notes?
[04:47] <dinosaur-rus> jjesse: final release'll be in April ;)
[04:47] <jjesse> i know, i'm just curiosu if there is a way i can chagne
[04:47] <jjesse> soemthign so it doesn't say alpha release or test release
[04:50] <dinosaur-rus> jjesse: IIRC the upgrade manager (if you're talking about what is at http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade) is Python script, so it shouldn't be hard
[04:50] <dinosaur-rus> to change that message
[04:50] <jjesse> dinosaur-rus: yes that's what i'm looking
[04:50] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Oh can I still send in my recipe?
[04:50] <jjesse> DaSkreech: sure
[04:54] <Lure> Jucato: it is never too late if you are a friend of Tonio_ ;-)
[04:55] <Jucato> hehe I think I've poked Tonio too many times :D
[04:55] <Jucato> Lure: maybe I can apply to be your friend too when I go to -motu and ask dozens of questions hehe :)
[04:56] <Lure> Jucato: Tonio_ really likes to do this kind of "final touches" to Kubuntu
[05:01] <dinosaur-rus> ohh, is it really necessary to do so many steps to upgrade Edgy to Feisty? I made that in easier way :)
[05:01] <DaSkreech> dinosaur-rus: It's one line
[05:03] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: I'm talking about steps described at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[05:09] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: those steps are for testing "the new Kubuntu Dist Upgrade tool"... not sure if those will be the same steps when actually upgrading (w/ or w/o the upgrade tool)
[05:12] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: ah... ok
[05:12] <jjesse> DaSkreech: will you get that recipe to my by tonight
[05:13] <DaSkreech> jjesse: I'll send it now
[05:14] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: actually they don't worry me as I've upgraded to Feisty when it got to Herd 3 stage :)
[05:14] <yuriy> mornin DaSkreech
[05:15] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: ah, you probably missed one of the highlights of Feisty :)
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: what exactly?
[05:18] <Jucato> the upgrade tool
[05:18] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: hehe, I don't care of it :)
[05:19] <DaSkreech> I don't get it. how can you miss that?
[05:19] <jjesse> the upgrade manager you have to add Riddell's repositories in order for it to work
[05:21] <DaSkreech> It's not like the majority of people moving to Feisty will use it
[05:22] <Riddell> ?
[05:22] <Riddell> they will, that's the whole point
[05:22] <nixternal> ooh, 1.6.2 is out for KOffice
[05:23] <nixternal> hiya jjesse, Riddell, DaSkreech, Jucato, and everyone else watching :)
[05:23] <Jucato> hi nixternal!!!
[05:23] <DaSkreech> It's in edgy already?
[05:23] <yuriy> Riddell: how?
[05:23] <Riddell> yuriy: the dist upgrade tool?  instructions are at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade#
[05:23] <Riddell> they're a bit out of date
[05:24] <yuriy> by adding the repo or will it be put into edgy when feisty comes out?
[05:24] <Riddell> yuriy: it'll be in edgy-updates
[05:24] <yuriy> oh nice
[05:24] <nixternal> I have 2 annoying bugs I believe with Feisty. 1) sometimes when I type it acts like I am holding down a key and it repeats and 2) KNetworkManager requires me to shutoff my wifi connection prior to logon and then turn it back on immediately after logging in
[05:25] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[05:28] <DaSkreech> Can We do anything above Wep for Wireless?
[05:28] <Riddell> above wep?
[05:29] <Riddell> nixternal: I have 1) all the time
[05:29] <Riddell> nixternal: benc also has it, so I'm hoping it'll get fixed
[05:29] <jjesse> i have 1 as well
[05:29] <jjesse> but i just tought it was my vm
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Security wise? WPA ?
[05:31] <jdong> NetworkManager does WPA out of the box
[05:32] <DaSkreech> ok. Someone was blogging that it doesn't
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: we had a stupid "password box character" discussion here, where I suggested U+2022 as a compromiss between small dots and big circles
[05:33] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: I don't want another endless holy war, just said my suggestion/opinion :))
[05:33] <Riddell> I've no idea where that's defined, if it is
[05:35] <n8k99> dinosaur-rus: i think that is in the theme polyester when you switch themesit goes back to *
[05:38] <jdong> DaSkreech: it doesn't always work with every card....
[05:38] <jdong> some cards are flakey
[05:38] <DaSkreech> jdong: as per driver situation?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Are we taking kate out of Kubuntu?
[05:39] <dinosaur-rus> DaSkreech: why?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> They are taking it out of kdebase
[05:39] <jjesse> what are they using instead?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> kwrite
[05:40] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no we're not
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Oh by what measure is katapult an application for advanced users?
[05:41] <Riddell> people have to know the application names and be prepared to type them
[05:41] <Riddell> it's not on the same level as autoconf, just a step above the normal application menu
[05:41] <DaSkreech> And that's more difficult than knowing where it is in the menu?
[05:42] <Riddell> yes it is
[05:42] <DaSkreech> How?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> all I have to know is the name of the app
[05:42] <DaSkreech> in some cases not even that
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I just have to know word processor
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Or web browser
[05:44] <DaSkreech> You can't honestly think that typing digikam is harder than hunting around for it in Multimedia
[05:47] <n8k99> DaSkreech: it not teh typing, its teh remebering when there are several apps that do the same thing
[05:51] <DaSkreech> n8k99: I'm not arguing that katapult is replacing the kmenu I'm saying it's easier to use once you know the name of the application. Easier even than the k-menu
[05:52] <DaSkreech> and is more useful to newbies
[05:52] <n8k99> DaSkreech: i don't disagree with you
[05:52] <DaSkreech> It's the same reason why in windowsXP once you have found an application it sticks to the menu because it's easier than going through the menu
[05:52] <n8k99> and wish that it had some more functionality like Quicksilver does
[05:53] <DaSkreech> That's being worked on :)
[05:53] <Jucato> n8k99: it has lots of plugins now... and more are coming :)
[05:53] <n8k99> great!
[05:54] <DaSkreech> n8k99: What quicksilver thing do you miss as a matter of polling
[05:54] <n8k99> append text
[05:54] <DaSkreech> ah that would be a plugin
[05:54] <n8k99> it'd be really great if it ould append text into knotes
[05:54] <DaSkreech> I'd love if it could show text floating on the screen but that's really a KDE issue
[05:55] <n8k99> could
[05:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'll make a note of that
[05:56] <Jucato> knotes? baskets!! :D
[05:56] <Jucato> j/k
[05:57] <DaSkreech> well in reality it would be sweet if most kapps could drop some functionality if they wanted into katapult
[05:59] <wahle> hey, anyone have any problems with the updates today removing kubuntu-desktop and apt-updater, etc etc?
[06:00] <Riddell> wahle: no, what updated?
[06:01] <wahle> dunno
[06:01] <blackmoon> hi, i've found a non critical bug (but i don't know if this can be callled bug) in amd64 dvd. the kubuntu logo at startup (in live mode) is flat and 8-bit color, and not like the jelly bright on 32-bit version... i've thested on diferent amd64 machines but with same result...
[06:01] <wahle> did an update today and it removed a bunch of packages including kubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <wahle> then i didn't have the graphical installer anymore (i forgot what it is called) and so i went and installed aptitude and tried to install kubuntu-desktop and it gives me a dependency error that says . . .
[06:03] <wahle> adept-* depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.52 [UNAVAILABLE] 
[06:04] <Riddell> wahle: edgy or feisty?
[06:04] <Riddell> hola apokryphos
[06:04] <Riddell> blackmoon: that's deliberate
[06:05] <wahle> Riddell: feisty
[06:07] <wahle> Riddell: any ideas?
[06:11] <yuriy_> k-d-s still not overwriting kdmrc :(
[06:12] <Riddell> wahle: I confirm, maybe we need to recompile adept
[06:12] <Riddell> yuriy_: why should it?
[06:13] <yuriy_> Riddell: the kubuntu theme config was moved into k-d-s instead of a patch to kdm, but since then the theme hasn't been showing up
[06:18] <wahle> Riddell: so just wait a few days and it should be fixed?
[06:18] <wahle> Riddell: hopefully :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> hail the manchicken
[06:22] <manchicken> Damn right hail the manchicken :P
[06:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Anything else you need into adept before feature-freeze?
[06:23] <Riddell> manchicken: work out why it's being uninstalled today with a dist-upgrade
[06:23] <DaSkreech> It's too good to hang out with the whippersnappers now
[06:24] <manchicken> heh
[06:24] <manchicken> Is it really?
[06:24] <Riddell> probably there's been a new version of apt library that it needs compiled against
[06:24] <blackmoon> i've build a custom application, but if i run this app with kdesu i can't see the text label... but if i run it with kdesu from root shell (sudo -s; kdesu my-app) it's all ok...
[06:25] <manchicken> Nice.
[06:26] <blackmoon> a kdesu bug? someone else said that work fine on fedora core 6
[06:26] <DaSkreech> manchicken: What do you know about debtags?
[06:26] <manchicken> Nopers.
[06:27] <Riddell> blackmoon: which text label?  can you see other widgets with text?
[06:29] <blackmoon> Riddell: labels on button, and so on... the only string that i can see is the one in the window title....
[06:29] <rouzic> Hi all
[06:30] <Riddell> blackmoon: try moving /root/.kde out the way
[06:31] <nixternal> Well, good old Dell is going to start selling desktops with Linux pre-installed
[06:31] <nixternal> right now they are working on a Novell deal, so lets hope there will be an Ubuntu/Kubuntu deal in there as well :)
[06:32] <blackmoon> Riddell: nothing to do, same result :(
[06:44] <DaSkreech> nixternal: link
[06:45] <nixternal> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen
[06:55] <blackmoon> Riddell: any other ideas?
[06:58] <Riddell> blackmoon: not really I'm afraid
[07:00] <nixternal> Riddell: you notice that wiki.kubuntu.org is doing the license stuff again?
[07:00] <Riddell> what stuff?
[07:01] <nixternal> where it pops up the ssl stuff for you to select OK to accept
[07:02] <nixternal> OK, there has got to be more than the ff user-agent for Herd 5
[07:02] <Riddell> works fine for me
[07:02] <nixternal> it popped up for me
[07:03] <nixternal> works fine in Konqi, but it did it in FF, I know it did
[07:05] <yuriy> what do you guys think? :D http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080237.0
[07:10] <blackmoon> Riddell: i'll try to see if i can find a solution (and then i'll post the result)... but i don't know... now i must go... i'll come back later...
[07:12] <DaSkreech> In a bash script with the line if (NR == 1) hostname = $1;  what's the NR for?
[07:14] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wh00t!!
[07:14] <nixternal> wh00t wh4t?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> D33l not being a leetist idiot
[07:18] <DaSkreech> If you disagree to any EULA on a dell machine it uninstalls the application
[07:18] <nixternal> DaSkreech: NR == Record Number
[07:19] <nixternal> i.e., Linux number I believe
[07:19] <nixternal> s/Linux/Line
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Number of what?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Ah
[07:23] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ping
[07:30] <manchicken> ping
[07:30] <manchicken> pong*
[07:31] <MrWGW> ahh manchicken
[07:31] <MrWGW> and how is my favorite pro RMS extremist doing this morning?
[07:31] <MrWGW> :-P
[07:32] <DaSkreech> http://xkcd.com/c225.html
[07:32] <manchicken> MrWGW: Those are big words for trolling ^_^
[07:32] <MrWGW> :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> manchicken: can you confirm something for me in adept?
[07:33] <MrWGW> :-P
[07:33] <MrWGW> and one who acutely wants to contribute
[07:33] <manchicken> Probably not right now.
[07:33] <manchicken> I presume you're talking Feisty?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> manchicken: In that case read the link above :)
[07:34] <MrWGW> I'm just wishing Kwwii would materialize so I can start planning, this week I want to start work on some artwork
[07:34] <manchicken> I'm on Edgy right now on my work machine.
[07:34] <MrWGW> I've pretty much wrapped up with PC BSD, my design work got approved, so I just have to find the time to send the files to the project lead so he can put them into 1.4
[07:34] <manchicken> I read it.  It's pretty funny.
[07:35] <manchicken> Although I would think that RMS would first correct them when they used the phrase "open source."
[07:35] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Even better :)
[07:36] <MrWGW> ROFL
[07:36] <MrWGW> that was funny
[07:36] <DaSkreech> manchicken: lookit gnat-4.1-doc and under details -> Additional information tell me what's the first value there?
[07:36] <manchicken> On edgy?
[07:38] <DaSkreech> si
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Hmm the feisty upgrade seems a bit crashy
[07:39] <manchicken> Yep.
[07:39] <manchicken> You got it crashing on feisty when you click details in adept_updater?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Yeah ::))
[07:39] <manchicken> Yup.
[07:39] <manchicken> If you wanted to triage that I
[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: what's it say in edgy?
[07:40] <manchicken> 'd be happy to fix it.
[07:40] <manchicken>  Documentation for the GNU Ada compiler in info format.
[07:41] <DaSkreech> -> additiona information
[07:41] <DaSkreech> The tabs at the bottom
[07:44] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ^^^
[07:44] <manchicken> No tags.  Is that what you're looking for?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> really?
[07:45] <DaSkreech>  I have purpose of application is Finance
[07:45] <manchicken> Naw, I don't see that.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I wonder if my tags aer just messed up
[07:48] <manchicken> http://img11.imagepile.net/view.php?file=91463updater2.png
[07:48] <manchicken> http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/91463updater2.png <--better
[07:52] <Riddell> toma: we didn't meet at fosdem :(
[07:52] <toma> Riddell: i know...
[07:56] <toma> i read you where at the kde4 talk, i left to the other building just before the start
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://img11.imagepile.net/view.php?file=45568snapshot4.png
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://img11.imagepile.net/img11/45568snapshot4.png
[08:29] <_Sime_> Riddell: you made it back home ok?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> manchicken: see? ^^^
[08:35] <Riddell> _Sime_: yes thanks
[08:43] <mhb> good evening
[08:45] <DaSkreech> evening
[09:00] <LaserJock> kind OT question: if I install kde4* is that enough to build KDE4 apps from svn?
[09:02] <DaSkreech> LaserJock: Yeah I think you can build them with a lot less but that's a good way to go
[09:04] <LaserJock> how much of KDE4 does Feisty have? I only see kdebase and kdelibs?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> It doesn't have any
[09:05] <DaSkreech> it has kuldge
[09:05] <DaSkreech> but that's not installed by default
[09:06] <LaserJock> how can it be installed?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !kde4
[09:07] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Blast :)
[09:07] <DaSkreech> check kubutnu.org
[09:07] <DaSkreech> It should have instructions
[09:08] <Riddell> LaserJock: only libs and base so far, I'll be doing more soon
[09:09] <Riddell> LaserJock: yes, they are what you need for compiling kde 4 stuff in svn.  note that svn is a moving target and there may well be incompatible changes to libs soon so you would need to compile that yourself too before long
[09:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:13] <LaserJock> I'm just wanting to compile kalzium from svn
[09:14] <Riddell> LaserJock: should be fine
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Riddell: What are the hopes for KDE4 for Grunting Giraffe?
[09:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: hard to say, it almost certainly won't be the default, may well still not be much that's usable to normal people
[09:18] <mhb> is the name set yet?
[09:19] <DaSkreech> mhb: take a guess :)
[09:19] <mhb> DaSkreech: you can compile it overnight, you know .o)
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Well that's one year post Vista
[09:20] <DaSkreech> That's a lot of settling into ways
[09:21] <Lure> Riddell: apt libs have changed abi - will you upload adept/debtags for rebuild?
[09:21] <DaSkreech> That's enough for people to be looking at KDE4 vs Vienna instead of Vista
[09:22] <DaSkreech> That's not helping the Bug 1 situation
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:23] <mhb> DaSkreech: sounds like a topic for #kubuntu-offtopic for me .o)
[09:23] <Riddell> Lure: yep, waiting on current compile to finish so I can do a check compile
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[09:29] <DaSkreech> mhb: What is? the schedule for kubuntu?
[09:30] <Riddell> Vienna?
[09:32] <Lure> Riddell: can we speed up inclusion of libkexiv2 package (as the code was cut out of digikam which is in main)
[09:32] <Lure> Riddell: or we need to get FFe/UVFe for universe first and then ask for MIR?
[09:33] <Riddell> Lure: I don't think it'll need the beurocracy
[09:33] <DaSkreech> Vienna is Vista+1
[09:33] <DaSkreech> as per Microsoft's naming scheme
[09:33] <Riddell> Lure: but it'll need to wait on the digikam release, they won't put it in until something depends on it
[09:33] <Lure> Riddell: ok, digikam final is on next weekend, so we need to push it next week
[09:34] <Lure> Riddell: test packages are available for edgy/feisty by allee
[09:35] <Riddell> so hopefully we can get it in for herd 5
[09:45] <DaSkreech> nixternal: If jjesse comes back can you just remind him to send me the document?
[09:46] <nixternal> sure, but I am getting ready to head to the uni for a couple of hours
[09:46] <nixternal> I should be back in about 3 hours I am thinking
[09:46] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:46] <DaSkreech>  fine
[09:48] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ping ?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> manchicken: did the package reach you yet?+
[09:49] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:49] <manchicken> I can't get that DVB thing to work.
[09:49] <manchicken> I need to pick up a cheap SATA controller.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> manchicken: you should use the latest video4linux if I remember correctly. Then there's a patch for the source to support that specific (newer) chip
[09:50] <manchicken> It seems like there's a firmware issue.
[09:50] <manchicken> I'll have to talk to you about it later, too.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> manchicken: alright
[09:50] <manchicken> Meetings... :S
[09:51] <_StefanS_> manchicken: hope you can put all the stuff to good use ;) - see you
[09:51] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:51] <manchicken> Once I get an SATA controller that drive will be nice.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yes I think so.. its pretty fast also.
[09:51] <manchicken> It'll make an excellent build archive drive ^_
[09:52] <manchicken> ^
[09:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yep.. I have a 500gb version of that one aswell, and it performs very nice
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: will that kde4 snapshot work for feisty ? or is it edgy only ?
[09:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the packages are in feisty, but not yet compiled, give it a few hours
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright great
[10:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[10:05] <Riddell> hi neversfelde
[10:05] <neversfelde> hello
[10:05] <neversfelde> Riddell: did you get our text for kubuntu.org/support?
[10:05] <Riddell> oh yes, it's somewhere in my e-mails, sorry for not acting on it
[10:06] <neversfelde> no Problem, just wanted to know if it is okay
[10:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: support.php updated
[10:48] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx
[10:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: Mailingliste: - die deutschsprachige Mailingliste zu finden.
[10:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: better "Mailingliste: - hier ist die deutschsprachige Mailingliste zu finden".
[11:24] <yuriy> ping Lure
[11:25] <Lure> yuriy: hi
[11:26] <yuriy> Lure: could you upload wineconfig with software-properties fixed? (see bug 88057)
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88057 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu Feisty Herd4; kde-systemsettings; Windows applications does not install wine" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88057
[11:26] <Lure> yuriy: I do not have upload rights, but I recall Tonio_ mentioned to plan an upload soon
[11:26] <yuriy> Lure: oh ok i thought you did it last time
[11:26] <Lure> yuriy: do not recall which bugfix he was waitng
[11:27] <Lure> yuriy: I just pushed on Tonio_ ;-)
[11:27] <yuriy> i think he was waiting for an actual version of guidance
[11:28] <Lure> yuriy: that would be even better. We need to talk with _Sime_ and sebas about this
[11:28] <_Sime_> whats up?
[11:28] <Lure> yuriy: Feisty beta is around the corner and having official version would be nicer
[11:29] <Lure> _Sime_: any plans to release new guidance version from trunk (0.7.1 or 0.8.0)?
[11:30] <_Sime_> Lure: there are plans for a 0.7.1 that could be packaged for edgy.
[11:30] <Lure> _Sime_: not sure if somebody will care to make SRU (it takes long time)
[11:30] <_Sime_> Lure: I just want to fix one more bug on 0.7.1 first, and then have it packaged and tested, and then pushed out to edgy.
[11:31] <_Sime_> Lure: and I can fix up a real 0.8 soon if needed.
[11:31] <yuriy> i need to fix a bug too actually. shoulda done it over break :(
[11:32] <Lure> _Sime_: maybe we should have something before Feisty beta. May need to ask Riddell what makes more sense
[11:33] <yuriy> the 22nd.. good got a couple weekends in there to fix it
[12:07] <vprints> hey
[12:07] <vprints> anybody from baltic region or sweden or finland?
[12:07] <Riddell> vprints: Tm_T is, why do you ask?
[12:09] <vprints> kopete problems with special letters :D
[12:09] <vprints>    
[12:10] <Riddell> unlikely to be specific to one language
[12:10] <vprints> i didnt think so :)
[12:11] <vprints> didn't
[12:11] <vprints> baltic region = 3 languages
[12:11] <vprints> + swedish + finnish
[12:11] <vprints> :)
[12:12] <vprints> have you heard from somewhere that special letters justdissapear?