[12:42] <Enverex> Can anyone explain the Karma change to me at least a little more than briefly?
[12:51] <LaserJock> Enverex: probably not
[12:51] <Enverex> Ah ok then, nevermind
[12:51] <LaserJock> Enverex: have you seen the wiki page about it?
[12:51] <Enverex> No...
[12:52] <LaserJock> hmm, let me dig up the URL real quick
[12:55] <LaserJock> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation is a general one
[12:56] <LaserJock> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07 is the specific one
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #30900 in rosetta "can't remove an unavailable language from my preferences" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30900
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87933 in launchpad "package search doesn't find binary package names" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87933
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87934 in launchpad-bazaar "sftp rename dir1 dir2 will rename dir1 => dir2/dir1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87934
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87945 in launchpad-bazaar "map distro package name to branch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87945
[06:05] <Hobbsee> mpt: awww, but i wanted to work on Fooix the Wonder-Toaster!
[06:05] <LaserJock> yeah, too bad
[06:16] <ajmitch> has it gone?
[06:19] <mpt> No, but it will be gone in a few hours
[06:24] <Fujitsu> Aw...
[06:35] <Hobbsee> mpt: hehe!  :D
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87962 in launchpad "Special person icon for essential subscribers " [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87962
[09:09] <mpascual> hi
[09:09] <mpascual> any rosetta admin there?
[09:14] <mpascual> then, I'll be back later
[10:04] <spiv> BjornT: ping
[10:04] <spiv> REVIEW MEETING TIME
[10:04] <spiv> BjornT: you appear to be the only other relevant person in the channel
[10:04] <BHSPitMonkey> Yeah, he does
[10:04] <spiv> lifeless just phoned to say his laptop is having magic smoke issues.
[10:05] <carlos> morning
[10:12] <BjornT> hi spiv. is the meeting already?
[10:12] <spiv> BjornT: yes, in theory.
[10:13] <spiv> Although there's only two of us here.
[10:14] <BjornT> did we move it last week? ReviewerMeetingAgenda still says 1000 UTC
[10:14] <spiv> lifeless promised he'd have new meeting times by this time, but I suspect he didn't factor in his laptop breaking...
[10:15] <spiv> Hmm, thought it had been moved back an hour, like the bzrlp meeting.
[10:16] <spiv> I guess I'm imagining things.
[10:16] <spiv> BjornT: sorry about that, see you in 45 mins :)
[10:17] <BjornT> that's ok :) let's some some more people show up, though. although they probably won't, since i guess everyone else (except lifeless) are in north/south america...
[10:18] <spiv> Yeah.
[10:31] <sabdfl> mpt: needed to wait for CanonicalNames to land and shake out before we could collapse the terminology if distro/product/project
[10:32] <sabdfl> mpt, thumper: it will take a while for us to shake out how best to play with views of the data through a team lens
[10:32] <sabdfl> for example
[10:33] <sabdfl> sometimes you want to see all the data to which you are connected via a team membership
[10:33] <sabdfl> as thumper has been playing with in the branch view
[10:33] <sabdfl> sometimes, you want to see all the data associated with each team member individually
[10:33] <sabdfl> for example, in the blueprint system we have a page which lets you see the workload of each person in a team
[10:34] <sabdfl> sometimes you just want to see your own data, untainted by teams
[10:34] <sabdfl> let's experiment, figure out what works and write that up as best practice
[10:34] <sabdfl> so we can then enforce consistent terminology in the ui for each of these views
[11:04] <spiv> BjornT: my wrist is hurting... I'm going to have to skip the review meeting.
[11:09] <BjornT> spiv: that's ok. i had nothing to add to the agenda anyway, and my queue is under control.
[11:10] <danilos> carlos: hi
[11:10] <carlos> hey dude!
[11:11] <carlos> how was your trip ?
[11:11] <carlos> and your holidays?
[11:11] <carlos> -P
[11:11] <carlos> :-P
[11:11] <danilos> carlos: pretty nice, except for some Rio bits :)
[11:11] <danilos> carlos: btw, I managed to smuggle nokia in :)
[11:11] <carlos> cool
[11:11] <carlos> didn't they check it?
[11:11] <danilos> yeah
[11:12] <danilos> yeah, they checked, but I lost my form for "temporarily taking out" laptop as well, so that's what they concentrated on :)
[11:12] <carlos> :-P
[11:12] <danilos> (not to be mentioned that this is the first time they have actually checked my stuff :))
[11:13] <danilos> carlos: I've seen you had some problems getting back home? :)
[11:13] <carlos> did I?
[11:14] <carlos> danilos: it depends whether being in first class is a problem for you.... :-P
[11:14] <danilos> carlos: hahaha, no waaay
[11:15] <danilos> carlos: nice one, indeed... I remember reading that you only started working on Tuesday, but guess that's because you came tired in Monday from all the champange you drank in airplane :P
[11:15] <carlos> well, even being there, I was not able to sleep at all
[11:18] <danilos> carlos: yeah, right, you probably weren't tired enough
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88003 in malone "Bad layout in Activity log page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88003
[12:46] <cprov> good morning !
[12:48] <Hobbsee> morning cprov!
[01:21] <kiko> good morning
[01:22] <Hobbsee> morning kiko!
[01:48] <danilos> hey kiko
[01:48] <kiko> danilos!
[01:48] <kiko> hi Hobbsee 
[01:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:48] <danilos> kiko: it's only one of me :P
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88024 in launchpad "expire team memberships failing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88024
[03:34] <mpascual> hi
[03:34] <mpascual> could I get any help on creating a new ubuntu translation group in rosetta?
[03:39] <mpascual> mmm
[03:39] <mpascual> I'll try again later
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88044 in launchpad-bazaar "mirror branch-puller should skip sftp and bzr+ssh" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88044
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88046 in launchpad-bazaar "Mirror branches pointing to launchpad.net should not be allowed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88046
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88048 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller oops summary should separate out user errors" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88048
[05:25] <jikanter> I am struggling using launchpad via email. I use mutt and would like to sign bug edits using my gnupg(pgp) key. For some reason, when I go to send a message, it give me this "malformed user id error".  any help would be appreciated. My launchpad personal page is here: https://launchpad.net/~jikanter/ 
[05:26] <kiko> jikanter, are you saying that mutt is giving you that error, or launchpad is replying back to you with that error?
[05:26] <jikanter> mutt is giving me this error, I have no problem encrypting files manually from the command line
[05:26] <kiko> jikanter, have you tried #mutt?
[05:26] <jikanter> no, thanks kiko will do that right now
[05:27] <kiko> cool.
[05:38] <jordi> hey guys
[05:39] <jordi> carlos: https://translations.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-eu should be ready to be added to ubuntu translators now
[05:39] <kiko> ho
[05:40] <jordi> oi kiko
[05:40] <jordi> dude I was thinking about you the other day
[05:40] <kiko> ah?
[05:40] <jordi> while categorising pics in f-spot
[05:40] <jordi> I realise most of my pics for Canonical conferences and stuff are with you
[05:40] <LarstiQ> heh
[05:41] <jordi> hey, no!
[05:41] <jordi> just because we woke earlier than the rest to do some good running all over the places
[05:41] <kiko> early waking up rocks
[05:41] <jordi> kiko: there's a few very good in Sydney, at that small harbour
[05:41] <kiko> yeah, that was so cool
[05:42] <kiko> jordi, are you going to UDS?
[05:42] <carlos> jordi: ok, thanks!
[05:42] <carlos> jordi: how's going?
[05:43] <jordi> kiko: the Seville conf?
[05:43] <jordi> guess not if I don't get an invitation/permission etc
[05:44] <jordi> carlos: hey man
[05:44] <kiko> jordi, hmmm
[05:44] <jordi> carlos: pretty cool, just came back from vacation!
[06:06] <n8k99> can bugs be added/edited via gmane?
[06:16] <n8k99> hello
[07:02] <carlos> n8k99: what's gmane?
[07:03] <sabdfl> it's a web-based mailing list and newsgroup interface, iirc
[07:03] <kiko-fud> right
[07:03] <sabdfl> n8k99: i don't believe so, no
[07:03] <sabdfl> is lp-beta looking hot today OR WHAT?
[07:04] <sabdfl> babe took almost all my loving over the weekend
[07:04] <sabdfl> there was nothing left for the scandi's...
[07:04] <n8k99> i can read the latest bugs at news.gmane.org
[07:04] <n8k99> if i subscribe in knode
[07:06] <n8k99> i know that sending bugs via email if they are signed with my key are said to work 
[07:06] <n8k99> posts to the mailing list can be signed as well
[07:08] <LarstiQ> n8k99: hmm, where does gmane think the list resides?
[07:09] <LarstiQ> n8k99: since the to address is different for each bug
[07:10] <n8k99> just looked closer and its a read only mailing list 
[07:12] <n8k99> gmane.linux.ubuntu.bugs.kubuntu 
[07:12] <n8k99> so what i was thinking won't work as it is set up
[07:13] <LarstiQ> unless I'm misunderstanding the way gmane works, it isn't ever going to work either.
[07:13] <n8k99> i see
[07:14] <LarstiQ> s/work/is designed/ even
[07:14] <n8k99> huh?
[07:18] <LarstiQ> n8k99: substituting the one for the other, so it becomes: "unless I'm misunderstanding the way gmane is designed, it isn't ever going to work either.'
[07:20] <n8k99> oh thanks LarstiQ
[07:20] <Lutin> hay there. could some launchpad people have a look to support request #3888 ?
[07:21] <n8k99> is there a standalone app that can access launchpad or is it only through a web browser?
[07:25] <carlos> Lutin: you will need an admin for that, check the list at https://launchpad.net/~admins/+members
[07:27] <Lutin> carlos: ok, thanks
[07:30] <tsmithe> kiko-fud, thanks for setting up the ubuntustudio-project :)
[07:33] <shawarma> How does one become one of the launchpad beta testers?
[07:35] <shawarma> ..apart from applying to join the appropriate team on Launchpad, which I've of course already done.
[07:36] <shawarma> LOL! I *just* got an e-mail about it. Never mind.
[07:38] <LarstiQ> n8k99: I believe so, though I can't find the tool at the moment.
[07:39] <n8k99> LarstiQ: i would think such a tool would be great- at least just for dealing with malone
[07:39] <LarstiQ> it was malone I had in mind. For dealing with bazaar.launchpad.net, bzr copes fine ;)
[07:39] <shawarma> n8k99: I believe there was a SoC project about it. IIRC it's called soleil.
[07:39] <LarstiQ> but for malone I find I'm rather happy with the webinterface/mutt
[07:40] <n8k99> i know that kde has a program called bugbuster but i don't think it will access the launchpad bugs
[07:41] <jordi> I like how you guys have set the 1.0 beta test
[07:50] <sabdfl> thanks jordi
[07:50] <sabdfl> how's life?
[07:52] <Lutin> sabdfl: if you have a minute, could you have a look at support request #3888 please ?
[07:53] <sabdfl> Lutin: url? support requests numbers are product / distro specific
[07:53] <LarstiQ> https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3888
[07:54] <Lutin> sabdfl: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3888
[07:55] <LarstiQ> Lutin: have you read https://answers.beta.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3915 ? It may not be the same problem though
[07:56] <LarstiQ> though it looks as though it isn't solved yet
[07:57] <Lutin> LarstiQ: I can't change myself, the nick is owned 
[07:57] <LarstiQ> ugh
[07:58] <LarstiQ> Lutin: can you confirm the email adress of that user is not yours?
[07:59] <Lutin> LarstiQ: sure
[08:01] <sabdfl> Lutin: are you sure the user is not active?
[08:01] <sabdfl> his email address is confirmed...
[08:01] <Lutin> sabdfl: I tried to email him, but I got a mail delivery failure as the dns seems to be dead
[08:02] <Lutin> sabdfl: I've also searched wiki / doc / etc, didn't find anything
[08:03] <sabdfl> domain is not dead
[08:03] <sabdfl> maybe mail relay isn't setup
[08:03] <sabdfl> but the domain is active
[08:04] <Lutin> oh, ok, weird
[08:06] <Lutin> sabdfl: how can you see if it's active ?
[08:06] <sabdfl> whois domain.com
[08:14] <Lutin> sabdfl: do you think my nick can be changed as requested ?
[08:14] <sabdfl> Lutin: i will mail the current owner, ping me in a week, if there's been no reply i will change it
[08:15] <kiko> Lutin, sabdfl: what nick is this?
[08:16] <Lutin> kiko: i'm lutin- and would like to switch to lutin
[08:17] <kiko> Lutin, hang on.
[08:17] <Lutin> kiko: ok
[08:32] <stgraber> Hi there, I just did 1-2 mistakes with launchpad + bazaar, is there a way someone remove two of my branchs ? (one that's simply useless and buggy and the other which is a copy because of a name change)
[08:41] <kiko> Lutin, sabdfl: I'm going to do the renames now; lutin is a pure shipit user.
[08:41] <sabdfl> kiko: i've sent mail already
[08:41] <sabdfl> will be poor form to rename before he replies
[08:41] <kiko> okay.
[08:41] <sabdfl> if you'd caught me before mailing i'd have said +1
[08:42] <kiko> yeah, you can do that research to help make that call
[08:42] <sabdfl> how do i check if someone is just a shipit user?
[08:42] <kiko> I wrote a script with salgado's help
[08:42] <kiko> called list-person-references
[08:42] <kiko> you need to run it against staging of course
[08:42] <sabdfl> where do i run it?
[08:42] <kiko> on devpad
[08:42] <kiko> if you have staging access from there
[08:42] <sabdfl> do i have access to the staging db?
[08:42] <kiko> sabdfl, if you request it from stub and stub actually does it
[08:43] <kiko> he trashed permissions when moving to carbon apparently
[08:43] <kiko> so I lost mine; salgado ran the script for us
[08:43] <sabdfl> bitchy, for a man just returned from vacation :-)
[08:43] <kiko> well..
[08:44] <sabdfl> btw, there are only 3 major things i want to clean up before i start inviting people into LP beta group
[08:46] <Lutin> kiko, sabdfl okay, thanks
[08:47] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: one being the lack of submitter/date in the default bug view? </personal-gripe>
[08:48] <sabdfl> LarstiQ: i'm surprised that's not fixed, mpt and i discussed it a while back
[08:49] <sabdfl> should on the top of every bug page: Bug #23234, first reported by Foo Bar on 2006-12-13
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23234 in ntp "Time Synchronizing During Boot Never Works (dup-of: 20960)" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23234
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 20960 in ntp "ntpdate run on boot whether or not network configured yet" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/20960 - Assigned to Scott James Remnant (keybuk)
[08:49] <sabdfl> errr thanks ubugtu
[08:50] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: I believe mpt did say he was going to fix it one or two days ago
[08:50] <sabdfl> he landed something today, i'm surprised it was not in there
[08:51] <LarstiQ> sabdfl: rest assured I'll keep asking him about till it's fixed, it's the biggest annoyance I have with the beta (and just the missing date on the non-beta)
[09:24] <weed0r> hello guys 
[09:24] <weed0r> I have a question, ive made the bug report -> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/87859
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87859 in firefox "Firefox Crash [@gtk_style_realize] " [High,Needs info]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[09:24] <weed0r> could you please remove my coredump.gz from the bug report ?
[09:32] <weed0r> ?
[09:43] <Fujitsu> Hm, why on earth is that bug assigned to such a team?
[09:46] <weed0r> hmm is someone here who can help my removing this file from my bug report? I have some security reasons for requesting this..
[09:56] <matsubara> weed0r: please, file a request in https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket and I'll ask our DBA to remove it.
[09:57] <matsubara> weed0r: the fact that you can't remove the attachment yourself is bug 48771 and it's likely to be fixed soon.
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48771 in malone "It should be possible to delete attachments" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48771 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[09:59] <s|g> re
[09:59] <weed0r> thank you matsubara
[09:59] <s|g> maybe any launchpad admin is here online ?
[09:59] <weed0r> I will do this
[10:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:03] <s|g> mpt: hi
[10:04] <weed0r> matsubara I made a ticket -> Launchpad ticket       #3930 thanks for your help
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #3972 in launchpad "inactive products displayed on project page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3972
[10:25] <mpt> Seveas, is that a problem with Launchpad? If so, have you reported it?
[10:25] <mdz> I see a lot of attachments which end up as text/html when they should be text/plain...is text/html the default?
[10:27] <mdz> how is the MIME type chosen?
[10:31] <mpt> BjornT, ^^^
[10:35] <LarstiQ> morning mpt 
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88156 in launchpad "Karma category names aren't localizable or easily updateable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88156
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88157 in launchpad "Karma category names need updating (e.g. "Specification Tracking", ) need updating and recapitalizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88157
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88172 in malone "Reduce dataloss by combining HTML forms on bug page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88172