[02:00] <h4writer> kwwii, still not online?:p
[02:03] <h4writer> I guess not
[02:03] <h4writer> goodbye, I'm heading for my bed.
[10:57] <kwwii> moin all
[12:44] <klepas> moin andreasn
[12:44] <andreasn> hi klepas
[03:39] <lapo> hi
[03:41] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[03:41] <lapo> yo MacSlow
[03:42] <lapo> any 3d accelerated news? :-)
[03:42] <MacSlow> what (CC)-licence is the tangerine set published under... I've a hard time finding that info...
[03:42] <lapo> ciao andreasn
[03:43] <andreasn_> what's up?=
[03:43] <MacSlow> I used the "left" arrow as a button in my talk I did at FOSDEM this weekend and now people want to see my .odp published... but for the 3rd-party artwork used I want to give proper credit
[03:43] <MacSlow> hi lapo, andreasn!
[03:44] <andreasn_> MacSlow: how was fosdem?
[03:44] <lapo> MacSlow: cc-by-sa
[03:44] <lapo> MacSlow: like tango
[03:45] <lapo> MacSlow: iirc the arrows are ulisse's work (derived from jimmac's?)
[03:45] <MacSlow> andreasn_ informative, sweet, thrilling and as always exhausting
[03:45] <lapo> MacSlow: btw you can check the metadatas in the svg
[03:45] <MacSlow> lapo, I generated a png form the svg added a bit of text in gimp and saved it as png
[03:46] <MacSlow> to be useable as "button" in my OO-presentation
[03:46] <MacSlow> so I created a derivative
[03:46] <lapo> MacSlow: yep, so it needs to be cc-by-sa as well
[03:47] <lapo> MacSlow: I can confirm that the tangerine arrows are ulisse's work
[03:48] <MacSlow> andreasn, I finally met Michael Meeks, Kristian Hoegsberg, pippin, Nat Friedman and Michael Daenzer in person
[03:48] <MacSlow> andreasn and so many more... it was totally wicked!
[03:48] <andreasn_> those are cool dudes, I think I've met most of them in person
[03:49] <lapo> MacSlow: c'mon amaze your friends with some new sweet stuff! :-)
[03:49] <MacSlow> andreasn, also ran into the people behind nouveau again this year... impressive what they put out with the little information they have for nv-hardware
[03:50] <andreasn_> MacSlow: yeah, that looks like a amazing project, more free beer to them!
[03:50] <MacSlow> lapo, ok... I think a README file, with proper credits, with my talk's .odp in a tarball will do?
[03:51] <lapo> MacSlow: I don't really know I'm not a license expert at all :-/
[03:52] <lapo> if it would depend on me I'd release everything with x license
[03:52] <andreasn_> what was your talk about?
[03:52] <MacSlow> and it looks like this year will be very demanding for me
[03:53] <MacSlow> andreasn  http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=18681
[03:53] <Ubugtu> OpenOffice.org bug 18681 in cs "Wrong characters in imported Word document" [Defect,Resolved: later] 
[04:08] <MacSlow> andreasn, what's ulisse's real name?
[04:08] <lapo> MacSlow: Ulisse Perusin
[04:08] <MacSlow> lapo, thx
[04:08] <andreasn> lapo should know, it's his cousin
[04:08] <MacSlow> ah ok
[04:09] <lapo> eheh
[04:12] <nysosym> hi there :)
[04:17] <kwwii> howdy nysosym, all
[04:18] <nysosym> hi kwwii :)
[04:18] <nysosym> how are u?
[04:18] <nysosym> very nice wallpapers
[04:18] <kwwii> nysosym: good, thanks :-) and you?
[04:18] <nysosym> http://www.hamaddarwish.com/
[04:18] <nysosym> also good :)
[04:21] <nysosym> what do u do kwwii?
[04:21] <kwwii> trying to figure out why the gnome session splash has a crapy line around it
[04:21] <kwwii> at first I thought it was a matter of using a colormapped pic
[04:21] <kwwii> but that is not the case
[04:22] <nysosym> as far as i know, can usplash only have a 1bit alpha channel, maybe is this the problem?
[04:23] <lapo> yo kwwii, nice work with gdm and usplash
[04:24] <kwwii> lapo: thanks...the gdm is still underway
[04:24] <kwwii> and the session splash simply sucks
[04:24] <lapo> kwwii: the session splash should die imho (it's fast enough now, it could be killed)
[04:25] <kwwii> lapo: yeah, that exact point makes testing is hard
[04:25] <kwwii> apparently it is a transparency issue
[04:25] <lapo> kwwii: for gdm please consider putting the session and language buttons back under the input box as it was in...uhm 5.10
[04:25] <kwwii> freaky, never seen this before
[04:26] <lapo> kwwii: can't you just kill it?
[04:26] <nysosym> kwwii: see my post above ;)
[04:26] <lapo> kwwii: it's a lot of work, for uhm...2 seconds? :-)
[04:26] <kwwii> nysosym: yeah, that guy made the vista pic wallpapers
[04:26] <kwwii> lapo: not really my decision  ;-)
[04:26] <kwwii> yet :p
[04:27] <nysosym> kwwii: no, i mean that usplash only can have a 1bit alpha channel
[04:27] <kwwii> nysosym: the usplash is 8 bit anyway
[04:27] <kwwii> this thing uses 24bit pngs but can't display the transparency in them corretly
[04:27] <lapo> kwwii: the usplash is really nice, you have a tiny bit of banding on the "ubuntu" gradient tho
[04:28] <kwwii> yeah, it was a trade-off for more glow
[04:28] <lapo> kwwii: did you try adding some dithering?
[04:29] <kwwii> lapo: it seems you've been busy drawing some pretty nice icons :-)
[04:29] <lapo> kwwii: not so busy with icons, I'm slacking a lot latelly :-)
[04:29] <kwwii> lapo: nope, none at all yet - wanted to wait to see about the space available
[04:31] <nysosym> kwwii: and when u remove the transparency border?
[04:32] <nysosym> something like this
[04:32] <nysosym> http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ubuntuslickab6.png
[04:35] <kwwii> nysosym: yeah, I basically just have to work around that
[04:40] <nysosym> kwwii: btw. do you work byside also on oxygen? I have heard that the next kde 4 release also have a completed interface (Oxygen, Plasma)?
[04:40] <kwwii> nysosym: yepp
[04:41] <nysosym> nice :)
[04:42] <kwwii> thanks :)
[04:42] <kwwii> gonna run to the store...bbl
[04:42] <nysosym> yeah, have fun ;(
[04:42] <nysosym> ;)
[04:43] <nysosym> kde 4 will be my first longer session with kde :D
[04:47] <kwwii> hehe, and I have been using gnome for the last month or so
[04:47] <kwwii> :-)
[04:47] <kwwii> ok, I am off
[04:47] <nysosym> ok, bye bye cu later ;)
[06:03] <kwwii> h4writer: hi
[06:03] <h4writer> hi
[06:04] <h4writer> I got already an update
[06:04] <kwwii> h4writer: now I know where to get help from ;-)
[06:04] <h4writer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7576/
[06:05] <lapo> kwwii: do you know if the OO.o jimmac's tango refresh will end up in feisty?
[06:05] <h4writer> that's the ./stylesheets/toc2html.xsl
[06:05] <kwwii> lapo: not sure but it should if possible
[06:06] <kwwii> h4writer: that looks like fun work :-)
[06:06] <h4writer> so it is plusminus updated, but it is not what I exactly wanted. But what I want isn't possible with only editing the .xsl files
[06:07] <kwwii> gotcha
[06:07] <h4writer> So I will try to do that to. But it will take some time.
[06:07] <kwwii> I asked around and someone said that you should also talk to the doc team about this stuff
[06:08] <kwwii> and dholbach will help with any packaging questions
[06:08] <h4writer> that would be helpful
[06:08] <kwwii> if you've a question, send it to me per email and I will forward it to him with an introduction :-)
[06:09] <kwwii> or, if you find him in chat, ask away :-)
[06:09] <h4writer> Is he able to edit the .c files, so I don't need to do that?
[06:09] <kwwii> I am sure he could, but he is really busy
[06:10] <h4writer> okey
[06:10] <kwwii> we're all really busy working on feisty
[06:10] <h4writer> yeah, hopefully, the more you do the better it will be;-)
[06:11] <h4writer> that's why I want to help
[06:11] <h4writer> I've heard feisty will not come with compiz by default enabled?
[06:12] <h4writer> and I love internet roaming, except the fact you can't specify the ip yourself. To bad.
[06:13] <kwwii> yeah, the 3d stuff is still too young to gowith it per defualt
[06:13] <h4writer> yes I know
[06:13] <h4writer> I've already tried it a couple of times, but I don't like it how compiz presents it
[06:14] <h4writer> all that jumping stuff. But I think it will be helpful to create new and better layouts
[06:14] <kwwii> once it works on most machines it will be, yes
[06:15] <h4writer> indeed
[06:15] <h4writer> I'm going to explore the source of yelp again, see you. If you want to say something. I'm still here, so writing my name will notify my;-)
[06:16] <kwwii> cool, will do
[07:21] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[07:21] <troy_s> woop
[07:30] <h4writer_> kwwii, I've send a mail;-)
[07:36] <h4writer_> kwwii, just saw it was the wrong email address. Now I've send it to the right one;-)
[08:03] <kwwii> h4writer_: erm, not sure exactly who to ask that about...let me check
[08:05] <h4writer_> okey
[08:05] <kwwii> h4writer_: well, danial is offline, not sure who to ask ... I guess that the doc team would be the right place to start
[08:06] <h4writer_> okey
[08:06] <troy_s> is this all for that minor change to the help system?
[08:06] <troy_s> it can't possibly be this difficult.
[08:07] <troy_s> h4writer_: ?
[08:08] <h4writer_> it isn't that much that has to be changed
[08:08] <h4writer_> but there are some things in C that need to change
[08:08] <h4writer_> Like I want the search layout be the same of the toc layout
[08:09] <h4writer_> but now there's almost no layout on search
[08:09] <h4writer_> So someone need to script the left bar in .C, so I can use it in search
[08:09] <h4writer_> that's mostly copy/paste work, because the source is there for toc
[08:10] <h4writer_> but I don't have the knowledge about it
[08:10] <troy_s> that will be an upstream issue
[08:10] <troy_s> as i believe it comes directly from gnome themselves
[08:10] <troy_s> again, your power player on that front who will be listened to might be andreasn
[08:11] <h4writer_> And I want to have the location bar away. But it need to become again visible when going to man/info/...
[08:12] <h4writer_> but I will ask andreasn when he comes online
[08:13] <troy_s> he is a wealth of information
[08:13] <troy_s> and he is very in touch with the gnome scene
[08:13] <troy_s> so if there is anything that is hard coded that is breaking theming rules
[08:13] <troy_s> he would probably be able to further the cause.
[08:14] <h4writer_> okey
[08:18] <h4writer_> that's what I have now: http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6084/screenshot1rf5.png
[08:46] <h4writer_> troy_s, I've seen somebody called mdke has already been busy with it. So I will address him;-)
[08:46] <h4writer_> http://www.mdke.org/?p=81#comments