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| Adri2000 | I wonder if I should upload the orig.tar.gz for tsmithe's package... | 12:41 |
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| LaserJock | Adri2000: if it isn't in the repos already, yes | 12:51 |
| Adri2000 | LaserJock: -0ubuntu1 is currently in NEW and I'm uploading -0ubuntu2 | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | I think you want to include the .orig.tar.gz then | 12:52 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 12:52 |
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| slomo | Adri2000: and if LP already knows about the tar.gz and you upload with it you'll get a mail and can upload without again afterwards ;) | 12:54 |
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| Adri2000 | hmm | 12:55 |
| Adri2000 | tsmithe: uploaded | 12:56 |
| shawarma | Do any of you already now know whether you'll be going to Seville? | 12:57 |
| shawarma | Guess not. :-) | 01:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm still trying to decide | 01:05 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: What's the dilemma? | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | well | 01:06 |
| RAOF | Hm. It seems that Specto has been stuck in NEW since the 14th. Is there anyone I could/should prod to move it along? | 01:06 |
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| LaserJock | my brother's getting married May 12th | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | and I keep getting sucked into Ubuntu stuff every time I go to UDSs | 01:06 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Ah.. Valid point. You could leave early? | 01:06 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: You're trying to cut back? | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | have been since dapper | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 01:07 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Get out more. :-) | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | I'll probably try to attend UES | 01:07 |
| shawarma | UES? | 01:07 |
| LaserJock | Education Summit | 01:07 |
| shawarma | When/where? | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | it's the 3rd and 4th of May | 01:08 |
| LaserJock | same place | 01:08 |
| shawarma | Gah... So Education summit, Loco day, UDS all in a row? | 01:08 |
| shawarma | Sheesh. | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I'd like to go, but I know it won't happen | 01:10 |
| shawarma | ajmitch: time/money/both? | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | shawarma: NZ->spain is about half way round the world | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | maybe you can whip up a genius net auth scheme that Mark will *have* to sponsor you for? ;-) | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | HAH | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: unless it's shiny, it won't happen ;) | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | what?!? net auth isn't sexy? :-) | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | of course not | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I think I *could* go to UDS, I just don't know if I should | 01:13 |
| shawarma | LaserJock: Heh. For me, it's the other way around. :-) | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I won't get sponsored :) | 01:14 |
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| LaserJock | you don't know if you don't try I guess | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | there is no try | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | they aren't putting up a page for people to ask for sponsorship | 01:16 |
| shawarma | There's no "trying" about it. It seems sponsorships will be nominated. | 01:16 |
| shawarma | Well, that's what Mark said at one point, anyway. | 01:16 |
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| shawarma | Jono changed the text on the Wiki to "the specifics of this sponsorship are currently being discussed and more information will be available soon.", though. | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | ahh | 01:17 |
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| ajmitch | I never do anything | 01:18 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: just add some 3d effects to your network auth and it'l be fine :) | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: I'll make it a beryl plugin | 01:19 |
| === Lathiat grins | ||
| ajmitch | I reckon if I do some network visualisation on the desktop... | 01:20 |
| shawarma | Oh, the horror! :-) | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | who wouldn't want a 3d spinning globe with packets flying everywhere as their desktop? | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | that would be sweet | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | hook it into iptables, so you can see packets burn up as they hit the firewall | 01:22 |
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| shawarma | what the... Is that the time?!? | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | no | 01:25 |
| shawarma | Oh, good. | 01:25 |
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| ajmitch | you can stay for another few hours | 01:25 |
| shawarma | I was really worried it was really late for a while. | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | it's only just after lunch | 01:26 |
| shawarma | Then I forgot to eat. :-( | 01:26 |
| shawarma | Well, I think I'll go take a nap then. | 01:27 |
| shawarma | Goodnight! | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | night | 01:28 |
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| pochu | slomo: ping? | 02:11 |
| slomo | pochu: pong | 02:11 |
| pochu | slomo: do you know if liferea 1.2.7 will hit feisty? bug 86982 | 02:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86982 in liferea "UVF exception: liferea 1.2.7" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86982 | 02:11 |
| pochu | slomo: it seems the archive admins have forgotten to include it :) | 02:11 |
| pochu | as they did with 1.2.6 :) | 02:12 |
| slomo | pochu: i would be surprised if not... i'll ask tomorrow ;) any specific reaons why you want it? | 02:12 |
| pochu | slomo: no, I just use liferea everyday and would like to get those fixes :) | 02:13 |
| pochu | but if finally it isn't include and I really need any of those fixes, I would make a .deb myself :) | 02:14 |
| slomo | pochu: want the source package? or a x86 binary of 1.2.7? :) | 02:14 |
| pochu | slomo: if you have a 1.2.7 x86... :) | 02:15 |
| pochu | slomo: but I don't mind to wait for its inclussion :) | 02:15 |
| pochu | slomo: just if you know it, and if you have time: do you know anything about python-mozembed, and if it's broken in ubuntu? | 02:17 |
| pochu | slomo: gtkhtml? | 02:18 |
| slomo | pochu: why should it be broken? (no idea) | 02:18 |
| pochu | wasn't it deprecated? | 02:18 |
| slomo | pochu: yes, just in case you still had it installed, that's only a transitional package | 02:18 |
| pochu | slomo: a problem with listen (I've fixed it with a patch) | 02:19 |
| pochu | http://www.listen-project.org/ticket/588#comment:1 | 02:19 |
| slomo | pochu: your connection is broken it seems ;) well, listen upstream is right... this is distro specific, they should look at the pkg-config output of firefox/mozilla to get the correct path | 02:20 |
| pochu | slomo: yeah, it seems... | 02:21 |
| pochu | I've never got a file with xchat :) | 02:21 |
| pochu | slomo: pkg-config? | 02:21 |
| === pochu is a noob :) | ||
| pochu | I see :) | 02:22 |
| slomo | pochu: you should have all liferea binary packages now, no? | 02:22 |
| pochu | slomo: yeah, ty! :) | 02:22 |
| pochu | finally it has downloaded it :) | 02:22 |
| slomo | pochu: and mozilla is always a pain... just keep this patch for ubuntu and tell upstream to use pkg-config to determine the correct path ;) | 02:23 |
| slomo | pkg-config --variable=libdir firefox-gtkmozembed | 02:23 |
| slomo | pkg-config --variable=libdir mozilla-gtkmozembed | 02:23 |
| slomo | one of them should give the answer | 02:23 |
| === ajmitch hates mozila libs, and I'm packaging one at the moment | ||
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| pochu | slomo: lol, he already uses it | 02:26 |
| pochu | ajmitch: which one? | 02:26 |
| slomo | ajmitch: which one? | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | mozldap | 02:26 |
| slomo | poor ajmitch | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | ugly, nasty thing | 02:26 |
| === pochu wonders if he can flood a little :) | ||
| pochu | hehe | 02:26 |
| pochu | GTKMOZEMBED_PATH = $(shell pkg-config --libs-only-L mozilla-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null || pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null | sed -e "s/-L//g" -e "s/[ ] /\,/" -e "s/[ ] //g" ) | 02:26 |
| pochu | CONFIGURE_IN_MOZEMBED_HACK= sed -e 's!GTKMOZEMBED_PATH!LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(GTKMOZEMBED_PATH)!g' | 02:26 |
| === pochu hopes you don't ban him | ||
| === ajmitch has everything but the pkg-config file working for it, which isn't being used at all for some reason | ||
| pochu | ^_^ | 02:27 |
| pochu | the strange thing is that listen builds fine, even without patch, with dpkg-buildpackage, however it builds, but doesn't work, with pbuilder | 02:28 |
| pochu | (builds an works with the patch) | 02:28 |
| slomo | jdong: i doubt MD 0.13 will get through UVF freeze ;) | 02:29 |
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| jdong | slomo: aww :( | 02:30 |
| jdong | slomo: that'd be a shame | 02:30 |
| slomo | jdong: the release notes sound very nice... but it will make everybody from the uvf team cry ;) | 02:30 |
| slomo | jdong: next release... | 02:31 |
| jdong | slomo: yeah that's fine... you think you can find the time to make feisty-esque packages though :( | 02:32 |
| paulproteus | Is it too late to get a new version of my tiny little Debian package (already in Debian) into Ubuntu 7.04? | 02:32 |
| jdong | or preemptively upload it to feisty-backports? :) | 02:32 |
| jdong | paulproteus: don't ask slomo . he's really mean. :) | 02:32 |
| paulproteus | jdong, Well, okay, who else can I ask? (-; | 02:32 |
| paulproteus | Should I file the appropriate Lunchpad bug? | 02:33 |
| jdong | paulproteus: you can try filing a UVF exception | 02:33 |
| jdong | and see what comes out of it | 02:33 |
| paulproteus | Sounds okay, how do I do that? | 02:33 |
| jdong | paulproteus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess | 02:33 |
| slomo | jdong: hehe, packaging MD is always painfull, upstream likes to place all kinds of nice breakages all over the sources... i'll just wait until debian has the new version | 02:33 |
| ajmitch | slomo: f-spot is a dream by comparison | 02:34 |
| slomo | jdong: or do it once feisty+1 opens | 02:34 |
| jdong | slomo: ok, sounds good... I toyed for 30 min and couldn't get it to build still :) | 02:34 |
| jdong | so I'm glad it's not just my incompetence | 02:34 |
| slomo | jdong: if you take less than 2 hours for updating to a new MD version you did something wrong ;P | 02:34 |
| jdong | lol | 02:35 |
| slomo | ajmitch: everything is a dream compared to MD... except mono maybe | 02:35 |
| jdong | slomo: you want a stab at xserver-xgl? :D | 02:35 |
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| pochu | emilio@kiko:~$ pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null | 02:38 |
| pochu | -L/usr/lib/firefox | 02:38 |
| pochu | anybody can tell me what's break there?? | 02:38 |
| pochu | hehe | 02:38 |
| slomo | jdong: sorry, not interested in bling | 02:39 |
| jdong | lol | 02:39 |
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| LaserJock | slomo: not interested in bling? | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | slomo: don't you do a fair amount of multimedia stuff? | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | jdong: I've updated xserver-xgl before, it's not too hard | 02:48 |
| jdong | ajmitch: I attempted to do so at bug 87687 | 02:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687 | 02:49 |
| jdong | but I couldn't front-port that xinerama patch | 02:49 |
| jdong | I really have no emotional attachment to it though | 02:49 |
| === ajmitch doesn't care at all anymore | ||
| jdong | I just want a working Xgl (at least single-monitor) in Feisty | 02:50 |
| jdong | ajmitch: are you motu-utf though? | 02:50 |
| === jdong looking for +1's | ||
| LaserJock | oh yeah, ajmitch is very Unicode | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 02:50 |
| jdong | lol | 02:51 |
| jdong | same (deb)diff | 02:51 |
| slomo | LaserJock: yes, with bling i meant all the compositing stuff | 02:53 |
| === ajmitch would need a rather good reason to agree to changes | ||
| jdong | ajmitch: current feisty version is totally broken by xorg 7.2 uploads. | 02:53 |
| jdong | and current feisty version does not compile against new mesa and x11 libs | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | slomo: audo bling :-) | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | *audio | 02:54 |
| jdong | hence there is no risk of regression. | 02:54 |
| === ajmitch may consider it | ||
| jdong | ajmitch: .... the alternative is to ship a completely broken Xgl.... | 02:55 |
| jdong | which means you're just gonna get one terrible checkinstalled xgl deb after another post-release | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | jdong: you could always convince slomo | 02:55 |
| jdong | I really don't think that's the better alternative | 02:55 |
| jdong | he's mean. | 02:55 |
| jdong | :) | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | I'm meaner | 02:55 |
| === jdong changes ajmitch's tag to big fat meanie | ||
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| ajmitch | excellent | 02:56 |
| ajmitch | bddebian can back me up here | 02:57 |
| slomo | jdong: get a package that could be uploaded and in general this sounds good... not working at all is imho a much bigger regression than any other possible regression ;) | 02:57 |
| jdong | bddebian: is it really true that ajmitch ate babies at a Ubuntu conference? | 02:57 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 02:58 |
| jdong | slomo: I have source packages for a new version attached on that bug report and I can personally attest that they work. In addition several people at the forums have tested it and reported back that it fixed their beryl issues | 02:58 |
| bddebian | jdong: Dunno never been to one but it sounds like him :-) | 02:58 |
| jdong | :) | 02:58 |
| pochu | jdong: please fix that beryl issue! | 02:58 |
| pochu | it's annoying to have dozens of beryl bugs, which we are going to reject inmediately :) | 02:59 |
| jdong | pochu: well the AIGLX side will fix itself as more Xorg gets uploaded... but Xgl will require this UVFe to be fixed.... | 02:59 |
| jdong | pochu: and compiz is equally as effected :) | 03:00 |
| jdong | so you can't just immediately reject it with a beryl copout :) | 03:00 |
| pochu | hehe | 03:00 |
| pochu | jdong: but we don't reject compiz bugs... which is worse :) | 03:00 |
| pochu | any idea about this? ---> | 03:00 |
| pochu | root@kiko:/# pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null | 03:00 |
| pochu | root@kiko:/# | 03:00 |
| pochu | what package provides pkg-config? | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | pkg-config | 03:01 |
| bddebian | hehe | 03:01 |
| pochu | xD | 03:01 |
| pochu | ty :) | 03:01 |
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| ajmitch | it was a challenge to think of that one | 03:02 |
| pochu | ajmitch: hehe | 03:02 |
| pochu | hmm | 03:02 |
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| pochu | I have pkg-config in the build-deps... | 03:02 |
| pochu | so the problem isn't that | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | and you have firefox-dev in the build-deps? | 03:03 |
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| pochu | root@kiko:/# pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null | 03:03 |
| pochu | root@kiko:/# | 03:03 |
| pochu | that's after installing pkg-config | 03:04 |
| pochu | ajmitch: no, I haven't | 03:04 |
| pochu | ajmitch: do I really need it? | 03:04 |
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| ajmitch | then why are you surprised that it doesn't work? | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | pkg-config has to get its data from somewhere | 03:04 |
| pochu | ajmitch: because /usr/lib/firefox/gtkembedmoz is in firefox | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | so? | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/firefox-gtkmozembed.pc | 03:05 |
| pochu | root@kiko:/# dpkg -L firefox | grep embedmoz | 03:05 |
| pochu | /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | is in firefox-dev | 03:05 |
| pochu | hmm | 03:05 |
| pochu | ajmitch: I hope you're right :) | 03:05 |
| pochu | are you? | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | this is why we have -dev packages | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | of course I'm right, I just checked it | 03:05 |
| pochu | ajmitch: no, I mean if that will fix the problem :) | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | considering that the critical file is in firefox-dev, it should | 03:06 |
| pochu | ajmitch: I'm a newbie :) I didn't know the finality of -dev packages... just I used it to compile because otherwise source packages didn't compile :) | 03:06 |
| pochu | hehe | 03:06 |
| pochu | ajmitch: will try tomorrow :) | 03:07 |
| pochu | ajmitch: if it works, should I remake a package and request an uvf exception? | 03:07 |
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| ajmitch | pochu: for what? | 03:07 |
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| pochu | ajmitch: for drop 2 patches I added to skip the pkg-config step :) | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | uvf exception is only for new upstream versions | 03:08 |
| ajmitch | are you packaging a new upstream version? | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | or just modifying what we have? | 03:09 |
| pochu | ajmitch: lol, I forgot it :) | 03:09 |
| pochu | ajmitch: ty anyway :) | 03:10 |
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| pochu | slomo: ty for the liferea package :) it works fine, at least till the moment ;) | 03:18 |
| slomo | pochu: works since days here ;) | 03:18 |
| pochu | night motus! | 03:18 |
| pochu | slomo: :) | 03:18 |
| slomo | gn8 pochu | 03:18 |
| pochu | ajmitch: ty for your help :) | 03:19 |
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| tonyyarusso | Anybody with a PPC machine to test build on? | 03:36 |
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| bddebian | tonyyarusso: Fix all those problems already? :-) | 03:42 |
| tonyyarusso | bddebian: The lintian warnings you mean? Can't really, at least not without a huge amount of nonsense. | 03:43 |
| tonyyarusso | bddebian: unless you know how one would go about patching to move all the images. | 03:45 |
| bddebian | cp | 03:45 |
| bddebian | mv | 03:45 |
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| tonyyarusso | Where? rules? | 03:45 |
| bddebian | yep | 03:46 |
| tonyyarusso | What about the fact that everything will be trying to use them in the other location in the actual program? | 03:46 |
| tonyyarusso | That's a lot of source changes. | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Then it's stupid upstream | 03:47 |
| tonyyarusso | I know that. | 03:47 |
| tonyyarusso | We're working on it, slowly. | 03:47 |
| tonyyarusso | I can ask the upstream guy to change it, but I'm kind of doubtful about this sort of change. | 03:47 |
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| bddebian | tonyyarusso: Does it set --datadir anywhere? | 03:59 |
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| tonyyarusso | bddebian: grepping... config/autoconf.mk:datadir = ${prefix}/share | 04:00 |
| bddebian | I know that, I mean you aren't overriding that in rules or anything are you? | 04:02 |
| tonyyarusso | not that I can see. | 04:02 |
| tonyyarusso | I have no arch-indep rule right now, btw. | 04:02 |
| tonyyarusso | I assume there should be one, but I'm not sure what it would say. | 04:04 |
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| bddebian | Something is just wrong with that package | 04:05 |
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| tonyyarusso | We've established that; I'm looking for hints of how to fix it. If you aren't sure, that's cool - I'll keep poking, just thought you'd be good to check with though. :) | 04:07 |
| bddebian | I'm looking, it just looks like a lot of the dir structure is just wrong | 04:07 |
| tonyyarusso | The main thing I need to establish first is whether that's my fault in packaging or upstream's. | 04:08 |
| bddebian | Aye, that's what I'm looking at now :-) | 04:08 |
| tonyyarusso | cool | 04:08 |
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| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: okay, what now? | 04:16 |
| tonyyarusso | sparklehistory: Look in /usr/lib and /usr/share, and tell me which has nvu directories. If both, look for image files (gif, xpm, etc), and say where they are. | 04:17 |
| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: how do I do that? | 04:19 |
| tonyyarusso | sparklehistory: Place > Computer > Filesystem > usr > share/lib | 04:20 |
| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: I found lib in the gui and I don't see anything referring to nvu | 04:20 |
| tonyyarusso | examples include /usr/lib/nvu-0.77/res/html/gopher-telnet.gif | 04:20 |
| tonyyarusso | Might be /usr/lib/0.77/ or some stupid thing on Dapper | 04:21 |
| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: nothing like that, there's a bunch of things like libhistory.so.5 | 04:22 |
| sparklehistory | And I don't have a share folder in the filesystem. | 04:22 |
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| tonyyarusso | sparklehistory: /usr/share, not /share | 04:23 |
| tonyyarusso | /usr/lib and /usr/share | 04:23 |
| sparklehistory | oh, okay | 04:24 |
| sparklehistory | yeah, now there's a nvu-1.0 directory in /usr/lib | 04:24 |
| tonyyarusso | is there a res/ in that? | 04:25 |
| sparklehistory | yes | 04:25 |
| tonyyarusso | just keep going down and holler if you find images :) | 04:25 |
| sparklehistory | there's a whole bunch of .gif images in /res | 04:26 |
| tonyyarusso | roger that | 04:26 |
| sparklehistory | and in /res/html there's some .gif images | 04:26 |
| tonyyarusso | bddebian: Maybe it's not my fault after all ;) | 04:26 |
| tonyyarusso | sparklehistory: is there even nvu stuff in /usr/share/ at all? | 04:27 |
| sparklehistory | hang on | 04:27 |
| sparklehistory | nope, don't see any | 04:28 |
| tonyyarusso | ok | 04:28 |
| sparklehistory | you still want me to keep looking for images in /usr/lib ? | 04:28 |
| tonyyarusso | bddebian: That doesn't necessarily mean I couldn't hack up something to fix that - not sure how such a thing would be done. | 04:28 |
| tonyyarusso | sparklehistory: Nah, there's like 80 of them. | 04:29 |
| sparklehistory | tonyyarusso: okay, anything else you want me to do? | 04:29 |
| tonyyarusso | no | 04:30 |
| sparklehistory | 'k | 04:30 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know if we can say "this needs to be fixed upstream" in a bug report | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | sure, then file a bug upsteam and then link it to the bug report | 04:34 |
| tonyyarusso | LaserJock: I think I've seen things like that before. Maybe "should be" instead of "needs" if we're worried about sounding demanding. | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | hi imbrandon | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I was thinking more like "somebody please file it upstream" | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | for like a junior job or something | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hehe | 04:35 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: If you create an upstream task, it will appear in listings of those needing forwarding. | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: ah | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | does it have to be a trackable upstream (i.e. something with a bug tracker that is registered with LP)? | 04:36 |
| Fujitsu | It will only appear on the list if it isn't linked to an upstream bugtracker (or they use Malone officially). | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, ok | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | it seems odd to do an upstream task if we can't track the upstream bug | 04:39 |
| Fujitsu | How? | 04:39 |
| === ajmitch needs to forward some more bugs | ||
| LaserJock | it seems like a good way to have a bunch of obsolete task sitting in Malone | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | i.e. you have to close the bug twice, once upstream and once in Malone | 04:41 |
| Fujitsu | The point of having the task unlinked is to make it appear on the list of things needed to be pushed upstream. | 04:42 |
| Fujitsu | So it shouldn't be being closed upstream until it is reported there in the first place. | 04:42 |
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| ajmitch | Hobbsee!!! | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: right, I'm just saying we have to track the status upstream as well as in Ubuntu with that | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | which takes a fair amount of effort | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | I hate filing bugs upstream (debian even) | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | but it's the best way to get things fixed for good | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch!!! | 04:48 |
| bddebian | Jesus, Mozilla's build system is atrocious | 04:48 |
| tonyyarusso | Ya noticed eh? | 04:49 |
| RAOF | Poor tonyyarusso, with his Komposer build | 04:49 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: It runs now, on at least x86 and amd64. Not sure about PPC, and there are some lintian issues. | 04:50 |
| RAOF | Huzzah. Why can't write endian and 64bit safe code? | 04:50 |
| tonyyarusso | come again? | 04:51 |
| jdong | tha'ts what she said. | 04:51 |
| jdong | oops wrong channel | 04:51 |
| jdong | actually... that kinda worked | 04:52 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: Well, if it doesn't work on PPC then it's got endian-unsafe code. | 04:52 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: And if you had to patch it to make it work on amd64, it's got 64bit unsafe code. | 04:53 |
| jdong | RAOF: a lot of ALTIVEC assembly will do that too ;-) | 04:53 |
| jdong | *cough* x264 | 04:53 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: It failed on one PPC that I had access too, but the owner says they've had issues too. Yes, I had to patch for 64. /me takes no responsibility for the upstream that's not even the current dev. | 04:53 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: If you looked at the source, would you be able to patch it for PPC? | 04:54 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: Eeeep, no. Almost certainly not. | 04:54 |
| tonyyarusso | ok | 04:54 |
| RAOF | I mean, I could look through it, but I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it, or even identify the problem. | 04:54 |
| RAOF | Particularly since I don't have a PPC lying around :) | 04:54 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: odd thing is, I think it must have built for PPC for Edgy. I can get you a build log from a PPC if that helps. | 04:55 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: No, I'm in no way the kind of C god that can actually *fix* endianess issues. | 04:55 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: I merely snipe from the sidelines :) | 04:55 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: well, if you can pinpoint that might be enough - I can send your comments upstream. | 04:56 |
| RAOF | Hm. I'm going to lose my internet for a couple of days soon. | 04:59 |
| bddebian | Hmm, thuban builds with wxgtk2.6 stuff. I wonder if it actually runs. | 04:59 |
| RAOF | tonyyarusso: You can email me the build-log if you like (chalserogers@gmail.com), but I can't promise anything! | 04:59 |
| tonyyarusso | RAOF: Okay. | 05:00 |
| bddebian | Gah WTF, thuban 1.1.x is in Debian.. Grr | 05:01 |
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| LaserJock | why? | 05:03 |
| RAOF | Incidentally, I'll just ask this again: it seems that Specto has been stuck in NEW since the 14th. Is there anyone I could/should prod to move it along? Is there anywhere better than here to ask? | 05:04 |
| jdong | cjwatson, mithrandir | 05:04 |
| jdong | don't tell them I said that | 05:04 |
| jdong | shhhhh.... | 05:04 |
| jdong | speaking of that I need to prod backports queue forward | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | naughty | 05:04 |
| jdong | tha'ts what.... never mind | 05:05 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: It just seems like I'm constantly doing shit for nothing | 05:05 |
| === lotusleaf laughs and rubs magic backports lamp again now that it's warm | ||
| bddebian | Now, why did thuban not automagically get merged and isn't on any merge lists? | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: how long has it been in Debian? | 05:06 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: oh man, that has been a while | 05:07 |
| bddebian | Oh, nevermind it's in experimental, duh | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | oh, yeah | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | I just saw that too | 05:08 |
| bddebian | But even that was back in March of 2006, wtf? :) | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | well, could have been like goffice | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | and merged from experimental | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | hmm, only 42 items in the NEW queue, not too terrible for just having FF | 05:11 |
| RAOF | jdong: Is it kosher to prod mithrandir or cjwatson about stuff in NEW? You seem to suggest the answer is "no" :) | 05:13 |
| jdong | RAOF: it's not good practice to prod archive managers about their jobs | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | depends on the mood of the archive admin | 05:13 |
| jdong | but I've done it a few times when backports fell near a month behind | 05:13 |
| jdong | and cjwatson was very understanding and courteous about it | 05:13 |
| RAOF | Fair enough. I can live with a few weeks, then :) | 05:14 |
| crimsun | paulproteus: #87958 is a feature freeze (FF) exception request. What's the rationale? | 05:23 |
| crimsun | ("it'd be nice to have the Ubuntu release be in as close sync to Debian as possible" is insufficient) | 05:23 |
| paulproteus | crimsun, It's a tiny bugfix release by upstream. It therefore doesn't violate a feature freeze. | 05:25 |
| crimsun | paulproteus: hmm, sorry, mis-synced apt cache | 05:25 |
| paulproteus | crimsun, I don't know what you're apologizing for, but I think I'm okay with it anyway. (-: | 05:25 |
| crimsun | paulproteus: all that's necessary is the entry from ccd2iso (0.3-1) unstable; urgency=low | 05:28 |
| crimsun | argh | 05:28 |
| crimsun | . | 05:28 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: We don't have FF in universe any more! It's NewPackagesFreeze these days. | 05:28 |
| crimsun | * New upstream release | 05:28 |
| crimsun | I think my pointer is conspiring against me | 05:29 |
| paulproteus | crimsun, I see! (-: | 05:29 |
| crimsun | right, so paulproteus, just include the new debian/changelog entry | 05:29 |
| paulproteus | crimsun, In the bug? 'Kay. | 05:29 |
| crimsun | Fujitsu: nice | 05:31 |
| Fujitsu | It was renamed a few nights back. | 05:31 |
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| LaserJock | Fujitsu: what? | 05:33 |
| Fujitsu | paulproteus: We have Mozilla's approval to use Firefox, so I doubt it will happen. | 05:33 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: What? | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | FF was renamed? | 05:33 |
| crimsun | NewPackagesFreezeUniverse | 05:33 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Yep. | 05:34 |
| Fujitsu | As it isn't like main FF. | 05:34 |
| paulproteus | crimsun, Added, thanks. | 05:34 |
| paulproteus | Firefox != FeatureFreeze | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | well, that's certainly a better description but it would have nice to change that *before* I sent out the announcement ;-) | 05:34 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: It was only changed a little after the announcement. | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | paulproteus: sorry, I know | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: that's my point | 05:35 |
| paulproteus | LaserJock, It's okay, I was taking advantage of the pun. (-: | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | it's bad when we have clashing acronyms at the same time ;-) | 05:35 |
| Fujitsu | The officially-sanctioned shortened Firefox is `Fx' anyway, not `FF' | 05:36 |
| crimsun | paulproteus: ACKed, awaiting 2nd ACK. | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: ewww, I like FF much better | 05:37 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: But it has an `x' in it! It must be cooler/13373r/better/etc.! | 05:38 |
| crimsun | yep, just like high definition audio! | 05:38 |
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| === Fujitsu hasn't found it to be particularly high-definition, unsurprisingly. | ||
| === Fujitsu locks ajmitch out. | ||
| === LaserJock startles | ||
| ajmitch | fine, I'll leave | 05:39 |
| === LaserJock puts Fujitsu in the corner and unlocks the door | ||
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: I thought the two-ack thing was gone for you? | 05:41 |
| crimsun | err, huh? | 05:43 |
| tonyyarusso | last MC thing - skimmed that. haven't been quite following here though so ignore me if necessary :P | 05:43 |
| crimsun | that's for new source packages from REVU by an ubuntu-dev/motu LP team member to enter Ubuntu | 05:44 |
| tonyyarusso | ah | 05:44 |
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| user__ | hi | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | hi | 06:06 |
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| imbrandon | hello | 06:10 |
| RAOF | hello imbrandon. | 06:10 |
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| imbrandon | hum does ffmpeg play 3g2 files | 06:13 |
| RAOF | It should, I think. | 06:13 |
| RAOF | You mean 3gp, or whatever it is that mobile phones produce? | 06:13 |
| crimsun | no, it's the new 3g2 made just for brandon | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | no i mean 3g2 , its close to 3gp | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | and also made by phones | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | and pda's | 06:14 |
| RAOF | Probably. It's probably just another mpeg4 + aac in almost-mp4. | 06:14 |
| _ion | Someone should tell programmers it's actually possible to have more than 3 characters after the last dot nowadays. | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | heya crimsun | 06:14 |
| crimsun | hi | 06:14 |
| RAOF | _ion: No, that would kill DOS compatibility! | 06:14 |
| RAOF | _ion: I get a lot of work done on my DR DOS box :P | 06:15 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Can you /please/ do a spelling/grammar check on ubuntuwire.com? It isn't exactly great at the moment... :P | 06:15 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, it was a 3am blurb when i was tired, i'll get to it today lol | 06:16 |
| Fujitsu | Heheh. | 06:16 |
| Fujitsu | Have you had many sign up for it yet? | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | about 200 | 06:16 |
| crimsun | although "spamed" could probably pass for a legitimate, new, opt-out thing | 06:16 |
| imbrandon | not too bad for 24 hours | 06:16 |
| Fujitsu | Not bad at all, imbrandon. | 06:17 |
| === ajmitch might even sign up | ||
| === Fujitsu already has an Ubuntu-related Jabber address, so won't bother. | ||
| === ajmitch doesn't really care much about having an ubuntu-related address | ||
| imbrandon | heh yea but @jabber.org keeps dropping my connection so now i can just use my own ;)( | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:21 |
| lotusleaf | imbrandon: it's a cool idea and nice that you offer it :) | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | lotusleaf, ;) | 06:25 |
| lotusleaf | imbrandon: btw kubuntu rules k thx ;) | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: and I didn't eve get a mention? tsk tsk ;-) | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | there fixed the spelling check | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, where? | 06:27 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: on the blog post | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | ohh about the name | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | yea , heheh i should add that | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:28 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, updated hehe, thanks, btw you dont have an index.{html,asp,php} on laserjock.us ? | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | oh yeah | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I was going to fix that | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I was using drupal, but in the end it was just overkill for just me | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, just looked , 167 to be exact ( the number of users ) | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | but only aobut 15 logged into jabber avg | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | some may use it just for the email | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | I've never really had a problem with jabber.org | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | or maybe I have but I didn't know it | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | i seem to get disconnected every 4 or 5 hourts from jabber.org , maybe its just me | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | no real big deal really | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | actualy it hasent happened lately, it might have just been a spurt a few weeks ago | 06:43 |
| Fujitsu | One of the main points of Jabber is that it's decentralised... If everybody uses jabber.org, it's silly. | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | very true | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't think I've been on for 4-5 hrs at a time | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | I don't use it much | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | decentralized is good ;) | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | sometimes | 06:45 |
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| imbrandon | any other blatent mistakes i'm missing on ubuntuwire.com ? | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | i think i snagged them all | 06:46 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, I've found one! | 06:47 |
| Fujitsu | You're using PHP. | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | i dont have mod_python on that server i dont think | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | not installed atleaste | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | guess i could but it would be overkill for a simple post script | 06:48 |
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| Fujitsu | Where'd my gnome-{terminal,panel} and Abiword (with a fair bit of work in it) go? | 06:51 |
| Fujitsu | Curses. | 06:51 |
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| LaserJock | feisty been a little ... unstable for me ;-) | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | especially KDE | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | I can't use it when I'm working | 06:53 |
| Fujitsu | That's the only instability I've had in months... | 06:54 |
| Fujitsu | And apport didn't trigger, so it must have been a fairly strange crash. | 06:54 |
| RAOF | Gnome hasn't been particularly unstable for me. | 06:54 |
| crimsun | leaving apport running makes my system unusable | 06:54 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: How? | 06:54 |
| crimsun | move mouse -> entire screen freezes for one second -> repeat | 06:55 |
| lifeless | oh, interesting | 06:55 |
| lifeless | hasve you filed a bug ? | 06:55 |
| Fujitsu | I like lifeless' idea. | 06:55 |
| crimsun | lifeless: I haven't had time to reproduce it with -i810 [I use -i810-modesetting] | 06:55 |
| lifeless | crimsun: I use modesetting too | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | Gnome's been better for me | 06:56 |
| lifeless | crimsun: but apport should be unrelated to that | 06:56 |
| === RAOF needs to remember to file a bug about apport and sending large reports. | ||
| crimsun | I'll do that in the morning, and if it's still present with -i810, I'll file a bug. | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | my only problem is really is hard freezes | 06:56 |
| Fujitsu | Probably modesetting segfaulting every time you move your cursor :P | 06:56 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: I've not had one of those. | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | once I figured out the KDE "hard shutdown via Keyboard Shortcut" | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | KDE is giving me lots of those | 06:56 |
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| LaserJock | have to reset my laptop | 06:57 |
| RAOF | Owch. | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | last time fschk had a failure | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | fsck | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | but a reboot seemed to work | 06:57 |
| RAOF | Worst I've had is resuming from suspend you need to kill X (with ctrl-alt-sysreq-k) and login again. | 06:57 |
| Fujitsu | I used to have problems with my monitor remaining off after reopening it in some circumstances, but that seems to have resolved itself now. | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | RAOF: I haven't had that one | 06:58 |
| Fujitsu | Suspend on this laptop works flawlessly, which is good. | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | suspend to ram doesn't work on mine | 06:58 |
| RAOF | Apart from that, suspend is working awesomely. And it seems fixed. | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | suspend to disk does | 06:58 |
| crimsun | the beast that is "suspend" | 06:58 |
| Fujitsu | Suspend-to-disk used to work, but I now use crypto-swap. | 06:58 |
| RAOF | Once Xorg gets fully merged, I'll find out if Compiz kills suspend :) | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | I just want an X that doesn't freeze | 07:00 |
| RAOF | I've got one of those! | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | lucky! :p | 07:00 |
| crimsun | the X in the upper right corner of your windows freezes? | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | the whole screen just freezes | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | I've never really seen anything like it | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | it's just dead | 07:01 |
| lifeless | Fujitsu: does crypto swap stop it working ? | 07:01 |
| Fujitsu | lifeless: It's a random key on each boot... So yes. | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | RAOF, and to awnser you from earlier most new phones and pda type mobile cameras do 3g2 == 3ggp2 == 3gp second gen | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | just FYI | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | and yes its a form of mp4 | 07:02 |
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| Fujitsu | I'm really happy with the Linux compatibility of this laptop, especially now (thanks crimsun!) the HDA stuff works properly, with microphone and all. | 07:02 |
| crimsun | ugh, HDA scars. | 07:03 |
| Fujitsu | crimsun: It does look really painful to work with. | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | s/3ggp2/3gpp2/ | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | anyhow | 07:04 |
| RAOF | And so I presume ffmpeg handles it? | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | not gotten that far but mencoder does so i would assume its useing ffmpeg | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | brb | 07:05 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:05 |
| RAOF | night bddebian | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | night bdmurray | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | err | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | and it looks to be vorbis audio not aac | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | anyhow | 07:06 |
| RAOF | Woah. Someone using an open codec in a real-life device? Crazy! :) | 07:07 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | 'heya dholbach | 07:09 |
| Fujitsu | Hi dholbach. | 07:09 |
| dholbach | hey imbrandon | 07:09 |
| dholbach | hey Fujitsu | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | ok, fixed my site, thanks for reminding me imbrandon | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | morning dholbach | 07:12 |
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| dholbach | hey LaserJock | 07:14 |
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| imbrandon | hehe np | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I didn't want to just leave there in mid air | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | but I forgot that I didn't do it | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | I was working on another website and forgot | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | heh i have done that a few times | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | If I get a little wild some day maybe I'll figure out how to use PHP to do something nifty | 07:15 |
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| imbrandon | ;) | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | i might add mod_python to my webserver tonight possibly | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | just to have it incase i wanna use it | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | Seveas keeps preaching python for the web , he might convince me one day | 07:17 |
| _ion | pffft | 07:18 |
| _ion | from __future__ import ruby | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | bah | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | how do you know if a webserver has mod_python? | 07:19 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Where's your site hosted? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | somewhere | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | not my machine | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but I actually can't remember the name of the place | 07:19 |
| Fujitsu | Trinsite, perhaps? | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that might be it | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I guess I could have figured that out ;-) | 07:20 |
| Fujitsu | Probably :P | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I've got PHP 4.4.2 on here | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | aren't we getting rid of PHP4? | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | yes | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | everything save drupal uses 5 now | 07:22 |
| imbrandon | 5 has been out ages | 07:22 |
| Fujitsu | PHP 5 has been out since '03 or so, I think. | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | how about apache2? | 07:23 |
| Fujitsu | What about apache2? | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | apache2 uses 5 ( or 4 or 3 for that matter ) | 07:23 |
| Fujitsu | apache2 uses whatever, yep. | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | but how long has it been out? | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | I don't think my server has it | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | how long has what been out ? | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | apache2 ? years | 07:26 |
| imbrandon | apache and the php verison have little or nothing to do with each other | 07:27 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, you can install either one, apache or apache2 | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | my servers use apache2 and php5 | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | my home server is running Feisty so I have apache2 and php5 | 07:28 |
| imbrandon | i have dapper servers with apache2 and php5 ( or breezy ) | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | well yeah | 07:30 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: That's because you have libapache2-mod-php5. -php4 is the PHP4 version (which should be removed soon). | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | yes yes, I know | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | I was just wondering how old they all were | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | but you can still choose to install apache 1.3 or php4 , apache and php can have diffrent versions installed side by side like python2.4 and 2.5 etc | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | brandon@voyager:~$ dpkg -l|grep apache | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii apache-common 1.3.34-4ubuntu1 support files for all Apache webservers | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii apache2 2.0.55-4ubuntu4 next generation, scalable, extendable web se | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii apache2-common 2.0.55-4ubuntu4 next generation, scalable, extendable web se | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii apache2-mpm-prefork 2.0.55-4ubuntu4 traditional model for Apache2 | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii apache2-utils 2.0.55-4ubuntu4 utility programs for webservers | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii libapache-mod-php4 4.4.2-1.1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | thats why i have on my server atm | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | s/why/what | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | well atleaste the one that runs imbrandon.com and ubuntuwire.com ( and a few other misc sites ) | 07:33 |
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| imbrandon | ... | 07:54 |
| imbrandon | i shushed everyone | 07:54 |
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| Fujitsu | Dinner required consumption. | 08:00 |
| minghua | So "no speaking at dinner table" apply to IRC too? :-) | 08:02 |
| Fujitsu | Pretty much. Though they allowed me to when I was chatting with sabdfl a while ago. | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, do you have win32codecs installed ? | 08:14 |
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| Fujitsu | imbrandon: Certainly not. | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | hum ok | 08:17 |
| Fujitsu | Why?> | 08:17 |
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| imbrandon | i wanted your to play a file in mplayer and tell me what codec its trying to use, no biggie, i'm just trying to find a good way to convert these damn 3g2 ( apparently qt codec needed ) to ogg | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | or similar free video | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | i recorded some videos at the club last night and ..... well yea | 08:19 |
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| tsmithe | Adri2000, thanks :) | 08:31 |
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| Fujitsu | Beryl seems to run at a reasonable speed on this i915 now... The only change is the new xorg-xserver, but that surely can't do it. | 10:45 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: dbmail is a fairly substantial update | 12:41 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Indeed, but one that I think is worth it. | 12:41 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | hi sistpoty | 12:54 |
| sistpoty | hi ajmitch | 12:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey sistpoty, ajmitch | 12:54 |
| sistpoty | hi Hobbsee | 12:54 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: should I file a FreezeException for supertux-stable? or any other thoughts on this topic? | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: it's a mess, I haven't followed it closely | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | have you heard from upstream, rather than from a random user? | 12:55 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: yes | 12:55 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: do you have any further thoughts on supertux? | 12:57 |
| sistpoty | or crimsun, gpocentek: ^^ ? | 12:58 |
| gpocentek | I only quickly read the thread | 12:59 |
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| Hobbsee | gpocentek: and so they stop whinging at us for not providing it | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | ahh, there we go... | 01:06 |
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| gpocentek | I agree with Rocco, I'd prefer having an -unstable package... but it's not possible with the backport | 01:08 |
| sistpoty | gpocentek: well, I guess it'd be possible with supertux-stable and supertux-unstable both providing supertux, but that would be even going more out of sync with debian | 01:10 |
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| gpocentek | true | 01:11 |
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| dholbach | there's nothing wrong with rolling back to 0.1.something | 01:17 |
| dholbach | and leaving the bug in edgy | 01:17 |
| sistpoty | well, there are quite some users who'd rather have the 0.3 version instead of the stable one | 01:17 |
| dholbach | either have an epoch or a version named 0.3.is.really.0.1.<something> | 01:17 |
| dholbach | the first thing I'd do talk to upstream and explain them the benefits of users "tracking development versions" | 01:18 |
| dholbach | and name GNOME and others as examples for that | 01:18 |
| dholbach | that's the most beneficial approach to the problem :) | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: upstream is happy with us having both, but we need to label which is which. | 01:19 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: so you'd disencourage of having both versions in the archive? | 01:19 |
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| dholbach | sistpoty: that's ok too - I was just poiting other possibilities | 01:20 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: ah, k :) | 01:20 |
| === Hobbsee notes that debian hasnt been complained too yet. | ||
| sistpoty | (or it was lost on the debian games ml *g*) | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 01:22 |
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| sistpoty | at least there weren't complaints on the debian-games ml *G* | 01:26 |
| sistpoty | (though there was a longer thread about 0.3.0) | 01:26 |
| sistpoty | ok, I'm now out for a cigarette, and then I'll upload supertux/supertux-stable, unless someone complains in the meantime ;) | 01:31 |
| Adri2000 | supertux 0.3.0backto0.1.3-0ubuntu1 and supertux-unstable 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 < why not something like that ? :) | 01:32 |
| Adri2000 | people will update to the stable version when upgrading their feisty or when upgrading to feisty from edgy (with backports or not). those who want 0.3.0 will use supertux-unstable. | 01:33 |
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| sistpoty | Adri2000: well, but I guess quite many ppl. actually want 0.3.0 so (and have it installed from backports), so they'll end up with the old version once upgraded | 01:41 |
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| sistpoty | ok, uploaded | 01:55 |
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| sistpoty | later folks | 02:19 |
| fernando | moin all | 02:28 |
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| giskard | slomo, again? uff | 02:40 |
| giskard | hey motu* when you have time could you please take a look on the beryl packages? | 02:41 |
| ajmitch | you avoided use of the fragment shader compiler now? | 02:41 |
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| hub | oh great, python is foobared | 03:02 |
| slomo | giskard: yes, but i fixed it now ;) | 03:07 |
| giskard | slomo, thank you | 03:07 |
| giskard | stupid me, btw | 03:08 |
| slomo | giskard: oh, did i fix it? wait, this was galago-sharp that i fixed... sorry ;) | 03:08 |
| slomo | giskard: t# stilln needs to be fixed... do you want to do it? | 03:08 |
| giskard | what was the fix for g-sharp | 03:09 |
| slomo | giskard: dropped libdbus-1-cil build dependency, adding new required build dependencies (libgnmoe2.0-cil) and don't buildnig tests to not use dbus | 03:09 |
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| giskard | slomo, ah! oki | 03:09 |
| slomo | giskard: i don't care enough about it to really maintain it... i just want to get rid of libdbus-1-cil ;) | 03:10 |
| giskard | :P | 03:11 |
| giskard | oki | 03:11 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:28 |
| Adri2000 | heya bddebian | 03:28 |
| bddebian | Hello Adri2000 | 03:28 |
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| Adri2000 | doko: can you take a look at bug #83097 | 03:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 83097 in python-gammu "versions <= 0.16 don't work with python 2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83097 | 03:29 |
| Adri2000 | doko: please :) | 03:29 |
| Adri2000 | doko: I don't know if I can update it (with an UVF exception), or if you plan to do it | 03:30 |
| doko | Adri2000: write a report to ask for an UVF exception (following the documented procedure) | 03:31 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 03:32 |
| doko | thanks | 03:32 |
| Adri2000 | np :) | 03:32 |
| bddebian | I wonder if it's worth filing a UVFe sync request for thuban.. | 03:34 |
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| Adri2000 | ERROR: Package gammu is too old! | 03:43 |
| Adri2000 | You need version 1.9.20, but 1.9.0 is installed | 03:43 |
| Adri2000 | pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package | 03:43 |
| Adri2000 | :( | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Always "fun" isn't it? :) | 03:44 |
| Adri2000 | ehehe :p | 03:44 |
| Adri2000 | the solution would be to update python-gammu only to 0.17 (which includes python 2.5 support), the "Compatibility with current gammu releases" is only in 0.18. what do you think doko? | 03:47 |
| doko | Adri2000: your decision; you are motu, arn't you? I don't know the package ... | 03:48 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: In other words go ahead, but break it and you die ;-P | 03:49 |
| Adri2000 | ok : | 03:49 |
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| bddebian | Oh crap, I probably wasn't supposed to upload a UVF eh? | 04:50 |
| bddebian | We have a team for that? | 04:50 |
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| Adri2000 | bddebian: you uploaded a new upstream version? | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Yeah, it was ack'd by dholbach but I suppose I wasn't supposed to | 04:52 |
| bddebian | Oh, maybe I'm OK, we only need 1 ack from a UVF team member apparently | 04:54 |
| Adri2000 | dholbach is in motu-uvf, so... | 04:54 |
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| dholbach | no, you need two | 04:55 |
| dholbach | if the bug is confirmed, then it's good to go | 04:55 |
| bddebian | We do? That's not what the Exception page says | 04:55 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: you filed a bug for this UVFe? or just asked dholbach? | 04:56 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: No, it was already file by tuxmaniac, I was just "helping" | 04:56 |
| bddebian | filed even | 04:56 |
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| Lure | dholbach (or other MC members): any news regarding the mailing list for applying for MOTU? | 04:58 |
| tuxmaniac | err. so is there something wrong with the procedure followed now? dholbach bddebian or is it fine? | 04:58 |
| dholbach | Lure: I'm repeatedly pinging the sysadmin team | 04:59 |
| dholbach | Lure: i'll announce it once it's there. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm not blocking this. :-( | 04:59 |
| Lure | dholbach: ok, so just a question of getting Mailman list? | 04:59 |
| Lure | dholbach: thanks | 04:59 |
| dholbach | Lure: yep, exactly | 05:00 |
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| bddebian | Anyone have a feisty machine that wants to test a package for me quick? | 05:02 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: yep | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Let me throw it on REVU quick | 05:02 |
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| tuxmaniac | bddebian, is it gnusim8085 by any chance? :-) | 05:04 |
| Adri2000 | tuxmaniac: this one is already uploaded ;) | 05:05 |
| tuxmaniac | Adri2000, :-) | 05:05 |
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| bddebian | tuxmaniac: No, thuban | 05:09 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4504 | 05:10 |
| Adri2000 | building | 05:11 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: I know it'll build, I just need to know that it "works" :_) | 05:12 |
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| Adri2000 | yep, I'm building it in order to test it :) | 05:14 |
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| bddebian | I know :) | 05:15 |
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| Toadstool | g'morning! | 05:22 |
| Adri2000 | morning Toadstool | 05:22 |
| Toadstool | hey Adri2000 | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 05:23 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian | 05:23 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: bad news for you | 05:24 |
| Adri2000 | bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7660/ | 05:25 |
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| bddebian | Gah, wtf | 05:27 |
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| bddebian | This is supposed to handle that: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7661/ | 05:36 |
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| bddebian | Oh crap, 1.1.0 is a development release | 05:38 |
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| Adri2000 | ahah :D | 05:38 |
| slomo | bddebian: what are you doing? :) | 05:38 |
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| bddebian | slomo: Nothing constructive, that's for damn sure | 05:41 |
| bddebian | I was trying to update/whack any packages still building with wxgtk2.4 | 05:42 |
| bddebian | Gah, maybe I just need to finally give up altogether :'-( | 05:44 |
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| imbrandon | moins all | 06:32 |
| jwhitlark | imbrandon, 'sup. u missed pycon. | 06:34 |
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| imbrandon | yea , we eneded up getting a new big project at work and there was a ton of overtime associated | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | but the good news is i got Ubuntu Live tickets already and working on getting to spain too | 06:37 |
| zul | hey imbrandon | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | heya zul | 06:37 |
| zul | imbrandon: must be nice to be independtly weatlhy :) | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | hahaha i wish | 06:38 |
| zul | imbrandon: heh...if you dont eat for a whole month you can fly to spain ;) | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | independnt yes, weathty no ;) | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | lol | 06:38 |
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| fernando | hi imbrandon | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | ello fernando | 06:43 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 06:44 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: Thanks for testing btw | 06:46 |
| tsmithe | hi imbrandon | 06:46 |
| tsmithe | hows the hand? | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | good | 06:47 |
| tsmithe | cool! | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | almost healed | 06:47 |
| tsmithe | great | 06:48 |
| nixternal | boo | 06:54 |
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| bddebian | Heya nixternal | 06:56 |
| nixternal | well hello there mister | 06:57 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 07:03 |
| bddebian | hrmph | 07:03 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I missed whatever somebody said | 07:04 |
| bddebian | Just lowly ol' me saying Hi :-) | 07:05 |
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| zul | ummm...interesting im not a motu anymore according to launchpad | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | I brought that up when sistpoty was making the changes | 07:10 |
| zul | im free!! :) | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | hehe, not exactly | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | or maybe | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | hmmmm | 07:11 |
| zul | or fired...heh | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | it used to be that you were a MOTU if you were a core-dev | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | because ubuntu-core-dev was a member of ubuntu-dev | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | but now ubuntu-core-dev isn't a member of motu | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | so technically core devs aren't MOTUs anymore | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:13 |
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| zul | dang.. | 07:13 |
| zul | one less emblem.. | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | "Burn 'em!" | 07:13 |
| zul | more witches!! | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | there should be some "Law" that states how long it will take a Linux IRC chat to reduce to Monty Python references | 07:14 |
| zul | i happen to like monty python | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | I love monty python | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | somehow it seems appropriate for every occasion | 07:15 |
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| zul | indoubely | 07:15 |
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| bddebian | "A duck" | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | do we have 61 MOTUs now | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | *so | 07:18 |
| bddebian | WHAT? | 07:18 |
| bddebian | 60, take me off the list | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | whatever | 07:19 |
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| tsmithe | add me to the list! | 07:21 |
| bddebian | tsmithe: You can take my spot. I'm useless anymore | 07:21 |
| tsmithe | woohoo | 07:21 |
| === tsmithe takes a bath | ||
| LaserJock | bddebian: stop it | 07:21 |
| bddebian | Speaking of which, did we lose ESR already? :-) | 07:22 |
| tsmithe | eh? | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | maybe the doc team scared him away :-) | 07:22 |
| bddebian | heh | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: maybe we just gave him too much to do greping out all the Ubuntu man pages | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 07:24 |
| === fernando waits to be a MOTU some day | ||
| bddebian | LaserJock: Aye, no kidding | 07:25 |
| Q-FUNK | motu et bouche cousue | 07:26 |
| bddebian | yeah, what he said | 07:32 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 07:44 |
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| tsmithe | hiya ajmitch | 07:46 |
| zul | heya ajmitch | 07:46 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 07:48 |
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| LaserJock | hola ajmitch | 07:49 |
| cbx33 | hey ajmitch | 07:54 |
| fernando | moin ajmitch | 07:58 |
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| Adri2000 | any motu-uvf to give a quick +1 to bug #88042 ? | 08:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request] python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88042 | 08:16 |
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| LaserJock | imbrandon: around? | 08:23 |
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| sacater | gpocentek? | 09:00 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, pong | 09:09 |
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| === tsmithe waves his @ubuntu.com email address at Hobbsee | ||
| tsmithe | haha! | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | yay, tsmithe! | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | hey imbrandon | 10:39 |
| === imbrandon waves his @kubuntu.org address at tsmithe | ||
| tsmithe | imbrandon, meh. mine's .com :P | 10:39 |
| === Hobbsee waves her @ubuntu.com AND @kubuntu.org addresses at imbrandon and tsmithe | ||
| tsmithe | mrgh | 10:39 |
| imbrandon | oh i have a ubuntu.com one too and imbrandon.com and brandonholtsclaw.com and ubuntuwire.com and ton of others ;) | 10:39 |
| === tsmithe goes to find out how to get an @kubuntu.org address | ||
| _MMA_ | Hobbsee: tsmithe is using your stick in other channels. | 10:40 |
| tsmithe | does that by chance mean i have to use kde? | 10:40 |
| === tsmithe hides | ||
| Hobbsee | oh dear. | 10:40 |
| === Hobbsee thwaps tsmithe. yes. | ||
| tsmithe | damn | 10:40 |
| tsmithe | can i have an address anyway just for being great? | 10:40 |
| imbrandon | if you have a ubuntu.com one you have a kubuntu.org one iirc | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | I've got an @edubuntu.org address so :p | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | and edubuntu.org too | 10:41 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:41 |
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| _MMA_ | Hobbsee: "tsmithe: i'll just get my own stick. and it'll be longer and pointier" <- Stick envy. | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 10:42 |
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| tsmithe | _MMA_, tell tale | 10:42 |
| _MMA_ | lol | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 10:43 |
| tsmithe | mm? | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | you can't go around stealing people's sticks | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | it's bad form you know | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:43 |
| tsmithe | that's why i got my own :) | 10:44 |
| tsmithe | and it wasn't theft damnit! | 10:44 |
| tsmithe | just, erm, borrowing | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | sure .... | 10:44 |
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| imbrandon | haha you stoped downloading and i went from 900kb/s upload to 10kb/s upload | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:47 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ^^ | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | lol | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | uni badwidth FTW | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | *bandwidth | 10:48 |
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| tsmithe | pahs | 10:48 |
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| Hobbsee | uni bandwidth here sucks. | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | work bandwidth rocks | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: I can get 4MB/s if I get a good mirror | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | nice... | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | CD .iso in 1.5 mins | 10:55 |
| Hobbsee | 6% [5 libbonobo2-common 371917/595kB 62%] [4 supertux-data 2682577/37.0MB 7%] 27.9kB/s 28m53s | 10:55 |
| imbrandon | yea i can get 100 if i get a good mirror , i've only got 60 so far ( both ways ) | 10:56 |
| === Hobbsee --> class | ||
| ajmitch | imbrandon: MB/sec? :) | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | you suck | 10:56 |
| tsmithe | woah | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | thats the ones ubuntuwire.com and the buld boxes are on | 10:57 |
| tsmithe | a whole CD in six seconds?!!! | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | and imbrandon.com | 10:57 |
| stgraber | tsmithe: You have to consider the harddisk speed :) | 10:58 |
| tsmithe | haha - forgot about that | 10:58 |
| tsmithe | i wish i was at a point where the HD was slower than the line | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:59 |
| imbrandon | hrm lemme test it real fast | 11:00 |
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| ajmitch | tsmithe: why, I can get up around 100MB/sec on my hard drives | 11:01 |
| tsmithe | random access? | 11:01 |
| tsmithe | or is the contiguous data? | 11:01 |
| ajmitch | contiguous, tested with bonnie++ | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | hum i must have picked a slow mirror , i only got about ~10mb/s this time | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | Length: 721,965,056 (689M) [application/x-iso9660-image] | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | 100%[===================================================================================================================================================================>] 721,965,056 9.89M/s ETA 00:00 | 11:03 |
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| ajmitch | so a sustained write speed to the filesystem of 100MB/sec | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | i've had it upto 60 before | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | though that is RAID, not a single disk | 11:03 |
| === tsmithe is envious | ||
| imbrandon | that mirror probably had a 10mb/s upload max | 11:05 |
| imbrandon | is why | 11:05 |
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| ajmitch | tsmithe: building packages goes a bit faster on raid 0 :) | 11:10 |
| tsmithe | mrgh | 11:10 |
| tsmithe | stop boasting | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | sure, I could boast about my high speed adsl | 11:11 |
| tsmithe | go away :P | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | </sarcasm> | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | I live in NZ | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | decent connectivity is a mythic creature, not often seen | 11:12 |
| tsmithe | i live in the UK | 11:12 |
| tsmithe | decent connectivity is pretty much ubiquitous | 11:12 |
| tsmithe | unfortunately, i'm about four miles from my exchange, so adsl is slow | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | telecom are rolling out adsl2+ "real soon now" | 11:13 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, hehe | 11:13 |
| imbrandon | fiber in the DC ftw | 11:13 |
| === ajmitch gets < 4Mbps | ||
| imbrandon | i'm not even sure how much total bandwidth we have but i know our avg out is about 200MB/s | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | but my 100MB/s nic is connected to a cisco thats direct to the core | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | so i get a full 100MB/s if i can use it | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | lucky | 11:15 |
| === stgraber only has 7x10MB/s :( | ||
| ajmitch | though you probably wouldn't get away with saturating that | 11:15 |
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| ajmitch | management may not be happy | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | in bursts they dont care, i've done that, if i went over 50mb/s avg they might balk | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | but as of this moment i do about 2mb/s avg total accross all my domains | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | holy freaking cow | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I mean, wow! | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | I think I use of something like 100mb/month on laserjock.us ;-) | 11:18 |
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| imbrandon | hehe | 11:28 |
| tsmithe | imbrandon, that's not true: " | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | Remote host said: 550 <tsmithe@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table" | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | :'( | 11:29 |
| imbrandon | ahh maybe not then heh | 11:29 |
| tsmithe | :) | 11:30 |
| imbrandon | i know both of mine work, but i'm also in kubuntu-team and ubuntu members | 11:30 |
| tsmithe | yea | 11:30 |
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| Adri2000 | bddebian: how is wx2.8 going? | 11:34 |
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| imbrandon | oh snap i just realized this router i got given to me supports openwrt | 11:34 |
| imbrandon | nice | 11:34 |
| Adri2000 | ajmitch: around? would you give a +1 for my UVFe? :) bug #88042 | 11:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request] python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88042 | 11:40 |
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