[12:41] <Adri2000> I wonder if I should upload the orig.tar.gz for tsmithe's package...
[12:51] <LaserJock> Adri2000: if it isn't in the repos already, yes
[12:51] <Adri2000> LaserJock: -0ubuntu1 is currently in NEW and I'm uploading -0ubuntu2
[12:52] <LaserJock> I think you want to include the .orig.tar.gz then
[12:52] <Adri2000> ok
[12:54] <slomo> Adri2000: and if LP already knows about the tar.gz and you upload with it you'll get a mail and can upload without again afterwards ;)
[12:55] <Adri2000> hmm
[12:56] <Adri2000> tsmithe: uploaded
[12:57] <shawarma> Do any of you already now know whether you'll be going to Seville?
[01:01] <shawarma> Guess not. :-)
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to decide
[01:05] <shawarma> LaserJock: What's the dilemma?
[01:06] <LaserJock> well
[01:06] <RAOF> Hm.  It seems that Specto has been stuck in NEW since the 14th.  Is there anyone I could/should prod to move it along?
[01:06] <LaserJock> my brother's getting married May 12th
[01:06] <LaserJock> and I keep getting sucked into Ubuntu stuff every time I go to UDSs
[01:06] <shawarma> LaserJock: Ah.. Valid point. You could leave early?
[01:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: You're trying to cut back?
[01:07] <LaserJock> have been since dapper
[01:07] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:07] <shawarma> LaserJock: Get out more. :-)
[01:07] <LaserJock> I'll probably try to attend UES
[01:07] <shawarma> UES?
[01:07] <LaserJock> Education Summit
[01:08] <shawarma> When/where?
[01:08] <LaserJock> it's the 3rd and 4th of May
[01:08] <LaserJock> same place
[01:08] <shawarma> Gah... So Education summit, Loco day, UDS all in a row?
[01:08] <shawarma> Sheesh.
[01:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'd like to go, but I know it won't happen
[01:10] <shawarma> ajmitch: time/money/both?
[01:10] <ajmitch> shawarma: NZ->spain is about half way round the world
[01:10] <LaserJock> maybe you can whip up a genius net auth scheme that Mark will *have* to sponsor you for? ;-)
[01:11] <ajmitch> HAH
[01:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: unless it's shiny, it won't happen ;)
[01:11] <LaserJock> what?!? net auth isn't sexy? :-)
[01:11] <ajmitch> of course not
[01:13] <LaserJock> anyway, I think I *could* go to UDS, I just don't know if I should
[01:14] <shawarma> LaserJock: Heh. For me, it's the other way around. :-)
[01:14] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I won't get sponsored :)
[01:14] <LaserJock> you don't know if you don't try I guess
[01:16] <ajmitch> there is no try
[01:16] <ajmitch> they aren't putting up a page for people to ask for sponsorship
[01:16] <shawarma> There's no "trying" about it. It seems sponsorships will be nominated.
[01:16] <shawarma> Well, that's what Mark said at one point, anyway. 
[01:17] <shawarma> Jono changed the text on the Wiki to "the specifics of this sponsorship are currently being discussed and more information will be available soon.", though.
[01:17] <LaserJock> ahh
[01:18] <ajmitch> I never do anything
[01:19] <Lathiat> ajmitch: just add some 3d effects to your network auth and it'l be fine :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I'll make it a beryl plugin
[01:20] <ajmitch> I reckon if I do some network visualisation on the desktop...
[01:20] <shawarma> Oh, the horror! :-)
[01:20] <ajmitch> who wouldn't want a 3d spinning globe with packets flying everywhere as their desktop?
[01:21] <LaserJock> that would be sweet
[01:22] <ajmitch> hook it into iptables, so you can see packets burn up as they hit the firewall
[01:25] <shawarma> what the... Is that the time?!?
[01:25] <ajmitch> no
[01:25] <shawarma> Oh, good.
[01:25] <ajmitch> you can stay for another few hours
[01:25] <shawarma> I was really worried it was really late for a while.
[01:26] <ajmitch> it's only just after lunch
[01:26] <shawarma> Then I forgot to eat. :-(
[01:27] <shawarma> Well, I think I'll go take a nap then. 
[01:27] <shawarma> Goodnight!
[01:28] <ajmitch> night
[02:11] <pochu> slomo: ping?
[02:11] <slomo> pochu: pong
[02:11] <pochu> slomo: do you know if liferea 1.2.7 will hit feisty? bug 86982
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86982 in liferea "UVF exception: liferea 1.2.7" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86982
[02:11] <pochu> slomo: it seems the archive admins have forgotten to include it :)
[02:12] <pochu> as they did with 1.2.6 :)
[02:12] <slomo> pochu: i would be surprised if not... i'll ask tomorrow ;) any specific reaons why you want it?
[02:13] <pochu> slomo: no, I just use liferea everyday and would like to get those fixes :)
[02:14] <pochu> but if finally it isn't include and I really need any of those fixes, I would make a .deb myself :)
[02:14] <slomo> pochu: want the source package? or a x86 binary of 1.2.7? :)
[02:15] <pochu> slomo: if you have a 1.2.7 x86... :)
[02:15] <pochu> slomo: but I don't mind to wait for its inclussion :)
[02:17] <pochu> slomo: just if you know it, and if you have time: do you know anything about python-mozembed, and if it's broken in ubuntu?
[02:18] <pochu> slomo: gtkhtml?
[02:18] <slomo> pochu: why should it be broken? (no idea)
[02:18] <pochu> wasn't it deprecated?
[02:18] <slomo> pochu: yes, just in case you still had it installed, that's only a transitional package
[02:19] <pochu> slomo: a problem with listen (I've fixed it with a patch)
[02:19] <pochu> http://www.listen-project.org/ticket/588#comment:1
[02:20] <slomo> pochu: your connection is broken it seems ;) well, listen upstream is right... this is distro specific, they should look at the pkg-config output of firefox/mozilla to get the correct path
[02:21] <pochu> slomo: yeah, it seems...
[02:21] <pochu> I've never got a file with xchat :)
[02:21] <pochu> slomo: pkg-config?
[02:22] <pochu> I see :)
[02:22] <slomo> pochu: you should have all liferea binary packages now, no?
[02:22] <pochu> slomo: yeah, ty! :)
[02:22] <pochu> finally it has downloaded it :)
[02:23] <slomo> pochu: and mozilla is always a pain... just keep this patch for ubuntu and tell upstream to use pkg-config to determine the correct path ;)
[02:23] <slomo> pkg-config --variable=libdir firefox-gtkmozembed
[02:23] <slomo> pkg-config --variable=libdir mozilla-gtkmozembed
[02:23] <slomo> one of them should give the answer
[02:26] <pochu> slomo: lol, he already uses it
[02:26] <pochu> ajmitch: which one?
[02:26] <slomo> ajmitch: which one?
[02:26] <ajmitch> mozldap
[02:26] <slomo> poor ajmitch 
[02:26] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:26] <ajmitch> ugly, nasty thing
[02:26] <pochu> hehe
[02:26] <pochu> GTKMOZEMBED_PATH = $(shell pkg-config --libs-only-L mozilla-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null || pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null | sed -e "s/-L//g" -e "s/[ ] /\,/" -e "s/[  ] //g" )
[02:26] <pochu> CONFIGURE_IN_MOZEMBED_HACK= sed -e 's!GTKMOZEMBED_PATH!LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(GTKMOZEMBED_PATH)!g' 
[02:27] <pochu> ^_^
[02:28] <pochu> the strange thing is that listen builds fine, even without patch, with dpkg-buildpackage, however it builds, but doesn't work, with pbuilder
[02:28] <pochu> (builds an works with the patch)
[02:29] <slomo> jdong: i doubt MD 0.13 will get through UVF freeze ;)
[02:30] <jdong> slomo: aww :(
[02:30] <jdong> slomo: that'd be a shame
[02:30] <slomo> jdong: the release notes sound very nice... but it will make everybody from the uvf team cry ;)
[02:31] <slomo> jdong: next release... 
[02:32] <jdong> slomo: yeah that's fine... you think you can find the time to make feisty-esque packages though :(
[02:32] <paulproteus> Is it too late to get a new version of my tiny little Debian package (already in Debian) into Ubuntu 7.04?
[02:32] <jdong> or preemptively upload it to feisty-backports? :)
[02:32] <jdong> paulproteus: don't ask slomo . he's really mean. :)
[02:32] <paulproteus> jdong, Well, okay, who else can I ask? (-;
[02:33] <paulproteus> Should I file the appropriate Lunchpad bug?
[02:33] <jdong> paulproteus: you can try filing a UVF exception
[02:33] <jdong> and see what comes out of it
[02:33] <paulproteus> Sounds okay, how do I do that?
[02:33] <jdong> paulproteus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[02:33] <slomo> jdong: hehe, packaging MD is always painfull, upstream likes to place all kinds of nice breakages all over the sources... i'll just wait until debian has the new version
[02:34] <ajmitch> slomo: f-spot is a dream by comparison
[02:34] <slomo> jdong: or do it once feisty+1 opens
[02:34] <jdong> slomo: ok, sounds good... I toyed for 30 min and couldn't get it to build still :)
[02:34] <jdong> so I'm glad it's not just my incompetence
[02:34] <slomo> jdong: if you take less than 2 hours for updating to a new MD version you did something wrong ;P
[02:35] <jdong> lol
[02:35] <slomo> ajmitch: everything is a dream compared to MD... except mono maybe
[02:35] <jdong> slomo: you want a stab at xserver-xgl? :D
[02:38] <pochu> emilio@kiko:~$ pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null
[02:38] <pochu> -L/usr/lib/firefox
[02:38] <pochu> anybody can tell me what's break there??
[02:38] <pochu> hehe
[02:39] <slomo> jdong: sorry, not interested in bling
[02:39] <jdong> lol
[02:47] <LaserJock> slomo: not interested in bling?
[02:48] <LaserJock> slomo: don't you do a fair amount of multimedia stuff?
[02:48] <ajmitch> jdong: I've updated xserver-xgl before, it's not too hard
[02:49] <jdong> ajmitch: I attempted to do so at bug 87687
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87687
[02:49] <jdong> but I couldn't front-port that xinerama patch
[02:49] <jdong> I really have no emotional attachment to it though
[02:50] <jdong> I just want a working Xgl (at least single-monitor) in Feisty
[02:50] <jdong> ajmitch: are you motu-utf though?
[02:50] <LaserJock> oh yeah, ajmitch is very Unicode
[02:50] <LaserJock> ;-)
[02:51] <jdong> lol
[02:51] <jdong> same (deb)diff
[02:53] <slomo> LaserJock: yes, with bling i meant all the compositing stuff
[02:53] <jdong> ajmitch: current feisty version is totally broken by xorg 7.2 uploads.
[02:54] <jdong> and current feisty version does not compile against new mesa and x11 libs
[02:54] <LaserJock> slomo: audo bling :-)
[02:54] <LaserJock> *audio
[02:54] <jdong> hence there is no risk of regression.
[02:55] <jdong> ajmitch: .... the alternative is to ship a completely broken Xgl....
[02:55] <jdong> which means you're just gonna get one terrible checkinstalled xgl deb after another post-release
[02:55] <ajmitch> jdong: you could always convince slomo
[02:55] <jdong> I really don't think that's the better alternative
[02:55] <jdong> he's mean.
[02:55] <jdong> :)
[02:55] <ajmitch> I'm meaner
[02:56] <ajmitch> excellent
[02:57] <ajmitch> bddebian can back me up here
[02:57] <slomo> jdong: get a package that could be uploaded and in general this sounds good... not working at all is imho a much bigger regression than any other possible regression ;)
[02:57] <jdong> bddebian: is it really true that ajmitch ate babies at a Ubuntu conference?
[02:58] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:58] <jdong> slomo: I have source packages for a new version attached on that bug report and I can personally attest that they work. In addition several people at the forums have tested it and reported back that it fixed their beryl issues
[02:58] <bddebian> jdong: Dunno never been to one but it sounds like him :-)
[02:58] <jdong> :)
[02:58] <pochu> jdong: please fix that beryl issue!
[02:59] <pochu> it's annoying to have dozens of beryl bugs, which we are going to reject inmediately :)
[02:59] <jdong> pochu: well the AIGLX side will fix itself as more Xorg gets uploaded... but Xgl will require this UVFe to be fixed....
[03:00] <jdong> pochu: and compiz is equally as effected :)
[03:00] <jdong> so you can't just immediately reject it with a beryl copout :)
[03:00] <pochu> hehe
[03:00] <pochu> jdong: but we don't reject compiz bugs... which is worse :)
[03:00] <pochu> any idea about this? --->
[03:00] <pochu> root@kiko:/# pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null
[03:00] <pochu> root@kiko:/#
[03:01] <pochu> what package provides pkg-config?
[03:01] <ajmitch> pkg-config
[03:01] <bddebian> hehe
[03:01] <pochu> xD
[03:01] <pochu> ty :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> it was a challenge to think of that one
[03:02] <pochu> ajmitch: hehe
[03:02] <pochu> hmm
[03:02] <pochu> I have pkg-config in the build-deps...
[03:03] <pochu> so the problem isn't that
[03:03] <ajmitch> and you have firefox-dev in the build-deps?
[03:03] <pochu> root@kiko:/# pkg-config --libs-only-L firefox-gtkmozembed 2>/dev/null
[03:03] <pochu> root@kiko:/#
[03:04] <pochu> that's after installing pkg-config
[03:04] <pochu> ajmitch: no, I haven't
[03:04] <pochu> ajmitch: do I really need it?
[03:04] <ajmitch> then why are you surprised that it doesn't work?
[03:04] <ajmitch> pkg-config has to get its data from somewhere
[03:04] <pochu> ajmitch: because /usr/lib/firefox/gtkembedmoz is in firefox
[03:05] <ajmitch> so?
[03:05] <ajmitch> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/firefox-gtkmozembed.pc
[03:05] <pochu> root@kiko:/# dpkg -L firefox | grep embedmoz
[03:05] <pochu> /usr/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so
[03:05] <ajmitch> is in firefox-dev
[03:05] <pochu> hmm
[03:05] <pochu> ajmitch: I hope you're right :)
[03:05] <pochu> are you?
[03:05] <ajmitch> this is why we have -dev packages
[03:05] <ajmitch> of course I'm right, I just checked it
[03:06] <pochu> ajmitch: no, I mean if that will fix the problem :)
[03:06] <ajmitch> considering that the critical file is in firefox-dev, it should
[03:06] <pochu> ajmitch: I'm a newbie :) I didn't know the finality of -dev packages... just I used it to compile because otherwise source packages didn't compile :)
[03:06] <pochu> hehe
[03:07] <pochu> ajmitch: will try tomorrow :)
[03:07] <pochu> ajmitch: if it works, should I remake a package and request an uvf exception?
[03:07] <ajmitch> pochu: for what?
[03:08] <pochu> ajmitch: for drop 2 patches I added to skip the pkg-config step :)
[03:08] <ajmitch> uvf exception is only for new upstream versions
[03:09] <ajmitch> are you packaging a new upstream version?
[03:09] <ajmitch> or just modifying what we have?
[03:09] <pochu> ajmitch: lol, I forgot it :)
[03:10] <pochu> ajmitch: ty anyway :)
[03:18] <pochu> slomo: ty for the liferea package :) it works fine, at least till the moment ;)
[03:18] <slomo> pochu: works since days here ;)
[03:18] <pochu> night motus!
[03:18] <pochu> slomo: :)
[03:18] <slomo> gn8 pochu 
[03:19] <pochu> ajmitch: ty for your help :)
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Anybody with a PPC machine to test build on?
[03:42] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Fix all those problems already? :-)
[03:43] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: The lintian warnings you mean?  Can't really, at least not without a huge amount of nonsense.
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: unless you know how one would go about patching to move all the images.
[03:45] <bddebian>  cp
[03:45] <bddebian> mv
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> Where?  rules?
[03:46] <bddebian> yep
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> What about the fact that everything will be trying to use them in the other location in the actual program?
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> That's a lot of source changes.
[03:47] <bddebian> Then it's stupid upstream
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> I know that.
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> We're working on it, slowly.
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> I can ask the upstream guy to change it, but I'm kind of doubtful about this sort of change.
[03:59] <bddebian> tonyyarusso: Does it set --datadir anywhere?
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: grepping...   config/autoconf.mk:datadir              = ${prefix}/share
[04:02] <bddebian> I know that, I mean you aren't overriding that in rules or anything are you?
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> not that I can see.
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> I have no arch-indep rule right now, btw.
[04:04] <tonyyarusso> I assume there should be one, but I'm not sure what it would say.
[04:05] <bddebian> Something is just wrong with that package
[04:07] <tonyyarusso> We've established that; I'm looking for hints of how to fix it.  If you aren't sure, that's cool - I'll keep poking, just thought you'd be good to check with though.  :)
[04:07] <bddebian> I'm looking, it just looks like a lot of the dir structure is just wrong
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> The main thing I need to establish first is whether that's my fault in packaging or upstream's.
[04:08] <bddebian> Aye, that's what I'm looking at now :-)
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> cool
[04:16] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: okay, what now?
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: Look in /usr/lib and /usr/share, and tell me which has nvu directories.  If both, look for image files (gif, xpm, etc), and say where they are.
[04:19] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: how do I do that?
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: Place > Computer > Filesystem > usr > share/lib
[04:20] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I found lib in the gui and I don't see anything referring to nvu
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> examples include /usr/lib/nvu-0.77/res/html/gopher-telnet.gif
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> Might be /usr/lib/0.77/ or some stupid thing on Dapper
[04:22] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: nothing like that, there's a bunch of things like libhistory.so.5
[04:22] <sparklehistory> And I don't have a share folder in the filesystem.
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: /usr/share, not /share
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> /usr/lib and /usr/share
[04:24] <sparklehistory> oh, okay
[04:24] <sparklehistory> yeah, now there's a nvu-1.0 directory in /usr/lib
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> is there a res/ in that?
[04:25] <sparklehistory> yes
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> just keep going down and holler if you find images :)
[04:26] <sparklehistory> there's a whole bunch of .gif images in /res
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> roger that
[04:26] <sparklehistory> and in /res/html there's some .gif images
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: Maybe it's not my fault after all  ;)
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: is there even nvu stuff in /usr/share/ at all?
[04:27] <sparklehistory> hang on
[04:28] <sparklehistory> nope, don't see any
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> ok
[04:28] <sparklehistory> you still want me to keep looking for images in /usr/lib ?
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> bddebian: That doesn't necessarily mean I couldn't hack up something to fix that - not sure how such a thing would be done.
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: Nah, there's like 80 of them.
[04:29] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: okay, anything else you want me to do?
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> no
[04:30] <sparklehistory> 'k
[04:33] <LaserJock> anybody know if we can say "this needs to be fixed upstream" in a bug report
[04:34] <imbrandon> sure, then file a bug upsteam and then link it to the bug report
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> LaserJock: I think I've seen things like that before.  Maybe "should be" instead of "needs" if we're worried about sounding demanding.
[04:34] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock 
[04:34] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon 
[04:34] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[04:35] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I was thinking more like "somebody please file it upstream"
[04:35] <LaserJock> for like a junior job or something
[04:35] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe
[04:35] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: If you create an upstream task, it will appear in listings of those needing forwarding.
[04:36] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ah
[04:36] <LaserJock> does it have to be a trackable upstream (i.e. something with a bug tracker that is registered with LP)?
[04:38] <Fujitsu> It will only appear on the list if it isn't linked to an upstream bugtracker (or they use Malone officially).
[04:39] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[04:39] <LaserJock> it seems odd to do an upstream task if we can't track the upstream bug
[04:39] <Fujitsu> How?
[04:41] <LaserJock> it seems like a good way to have a bunch of obsolete task sitting in Malone
[04:41] <LaserJock> i.e. you have to close the bug twice, once upstream and once in Malone
[04:42] <Fujitsu> The point of having the task unlinked is to make it appear on the list of things needed to be pushed upstream.
[04:42] <Fujitsu> So it shouldn't be being closed upstream until it is reported there in the first place.
[04:45] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!!
[04:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: right, I'm just saying we have to track the status upstream as well as in Ubuntu with that
[04:46] <LaserJock> which takes a fair amount of effort
[04:46] <LaserJock> I hate filing bugs upstream (debian even)
[04:47] <LaserJock> but it's the best way to get things fixed for good
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!!
[04:48] <bddebian> Jesus, Mozilla's build system is atrocious
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Ya noticed eh?
[04:49] <RAOF> Poor tonyyarusso, with his Komposer build
[04:50] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: It runs now, on at least x86 and amd64.  Not sure about PPC, and there are some lintian issues.
[04:50] <RAOF> Huzzah.  Why can't write endian and 64bit safe code?
[04:51] <tonyyarusso> come again?
[04:51] <jdong> tha'ts what she said.
[04:51] <jdong> oops wrong channel
[04:52] <jdong> actually... that kinda worked
[04:52] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Well, if it doesn't work on PPC then it's got endian-unsafe code.
[04:53] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: And if you had to patch it to make it work on amd64, it's got 64bit unsafe code.
[04:53] <jdong> RAOF: a lot of ALTIVEC assembly will do that too ;-)
[04:53] <jdong> *cough* x264
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: It failed on one PPC that I had access too, but the owner says they've had issues too.  Yes, I had to patch for 64.  /me takes no responsibility for the upstream that's not even the current dev.
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: If you looked at the source, would you be able to patch it for PPC?
[04:54] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Eeeep, no.  Almost certainly not.
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> ok
[04:54] <RAOF> I mean, I could look through it, but I'm not sure I'd be able to fix it, or even identify the problem.
[04:54] <RAOF> Particularly since I don't have a PPC lying around :)
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: odd thing is, I think it must have built for PPC for Edgy.  I can get you a build log from a PPC if that helps.
[04:55] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: No, I'm in no way the kind of C god that can actually *fix* endianess issues.
[04:55] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: I merely snipe from the sidelines :)
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: well, if you can pinpoint that might be enough - I can send your comments upstream.
[04:59] <RAOF> Hm.  I'm going to lose my internet for a couple of days soon.
[04:59] <bddebian> Hmm, thuban builds with wxgtk2.6 stuff.  I wonder if it actually runs.
[04:59] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: You can email me the build-log if you like (chalserogers@gmail.com), but I can't promise anything!
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Okay.
[05:01] <bddebian> Gah WTF, thuban 1.1.x is in Debian.. Grr
[05:03] <LaserJock> why?
[05:04] <RAOF> Incidentally, I'll just ask this again: it seems that Specto has been stuck in NEW since the 14th.  Is there anyone I could/should prod to move it along?  Is there anywhere better than here to ask?
[05:04] <jdong> cjwatson, mithrandir
[05:04] <jdong> don't tell them I said that
[05:04] <jdong> shhhhh....
[05:04] <jdong> speaking of that I need to prod backports queue forward
[05:04] <LaserJock> naughty
[05:05] <jdong> tha'ts what.... never mind
[05:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: It just seems like I'm constantly doing shit for nothing
[05:05] <bddebian> Now, why did thuban not automagically get merged and isn't on any merge lists?
[05:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: how long has it been in Debian?
[05:07] <LaserJock> bddebian: oh man, that has been a while
[05:07] <bddebian> Oh, nevermind it's in experimental, duh
[05:08] <LaserJock> oh, yeah
[05:08] <LaserJock> I just saw that too
[05:08] <bddebian> But even that was back in March of 2006, wtf? :)
[05:08] <LaserJock> well, could have been like goffice
[05:08] <LaserJock> and merged from experimental
[05:11] <LaserJock> hmm, only 42 items in the NEW queue, not too terrible for just having FF
[05:13] <RAOF> jdong: Is it kosher to prod mithrandir or cjwatson about stuff in NEW?  You seem to suggest the answer is "no" :)
[05:13] <jdong> RAOF: it's not good practice to prod archive managers about their jobs
[05:13] <LaserJock> depends on the mood of the archive admin
[05:13] <jdong> but I've done it a few times when backports fell near a month behind
[05:13] <jdong> and cjwatson was very understanding and courteous about it
[05:14] <RAOF> Fair enough.  I can live with a few weeks, then :)
[05:23] <crimsun> paulproteus: #87958 is a feature freeze (FF) exception request. What's the rationale?
[05:23] <crimsun> ("it'd be nice to have the Ubuntu release be in as close sync to Debian as possible" is insufficient)
[05:25] <paulproteus> crimsun, It's a tiny bugfix release by upstream.  It therefore doesn't violate a feature freeze.
[05:25] <crimsun> paulproteus: hmm, sorry, mis-synced apt cache
[05:25] <paulproteus> crimsun, I don't know what you're apologizing for, but I think I'm okay with it anyway. (-:
[05:28] <crimsun> paulproteus: all that's necessary is the entry from ccd2iso (0.3-1) unstable; urgency=low
[05:28] <crimsun> argh
[05:28] <crimsun>  .
[05:28] <Fujitsu> crimsun: We don't have FF in universe any more! It's NewPackagesFreeze these days.
[05:28] <crimsun>    * New upstream release
[05:29] <crimsun> I think my pointer is conspiring against me
[05:29] <paulproteus> crimsun, I see! (-:
[05:29] <crimsun> right, so paulproteus, just include the new debian/changelog entry
[05:29] <paulproteus> crimsun, In the bug?  'Kay.
[05:31] <crimsun> Fujitsu: nice
[05:31] <Fujitsu> It was renamed a few nights back.
[05:33] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: what?
[05:33] <Fujitsu> paulproteus: We have Mozilla's approval to use Firefox, so I doubt it will happen.
[05:33] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What?
[05:33] <LaserJock> FF was renamed?
[05:33] <crimsun> NewPackagesFreezeUniverse
[05:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Yep.
[05:34] <Fujitsu> As it isn't like main FF.
[05:34] <paulproteus> crimsun, Added, thanks.
[05:34] <paulproteus> Firefox != FeatureFreeze
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, that's certainly a better description but it would have nice to change that *before* I sent out the announcement ;-)
[05:35] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It was only changed a little after the announcement.
[05:35] <LaserJock> paulproteus: sorry, I know
[05:35] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: that's my point
[05:35] <paulproteus> LaserJock, It's okay, I was taking advantage of the pun. (-:
[05:35] <LaserJock> it's bad when we have clashing acronyms at the same time ;-)
[05:36] <Fujitsu> The officially-sanctioned shortened Firefox is `Fx' anyway, not `FF'
[05:36] <crimsun> paulproteus: ACKed, awaiting 2nd ACK.
[05:37] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ewww, I like FF much better
[05:38] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: But it has an `x' in it! It must be cooler/13373r/better/etc.!
[05:38] <crimsun> yep, just like high definition audio!
[05:39] <ajmitch> fine, I'll leave
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: I thought the two-ack thing was gone for you?
[05:43] <crimsun> err, huh?
[05:43] <tonyyarusso> last MC thing - skimmed that.  haven't been quite following here though so ignore me if necessary :P
[05:44] <crimsun> that's for new source packages from REVU by an ubuntu-dev/motu LP team member to enter Ubuntu
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> ah
[06:05] <user__> hi
[06:06] <LaserJock> hi
[06:10] <imbrandon> hello
[06:10] <RAOF> hello imbrandon.
[06:13] <imbrandon> hum does ffmpeg play 3g2 files
[06:13] <RAOF> It should, I think.
[06:13] <RAOF> You mean 3gp, or whatever it is that mobile phones produce?
[06:13] <crimsun> no, it's the new 3g2 made just for brandon
[06:13] <imbrandon> no i mean 3g2 , its close to 3gp
[06:14] <imbrandon> and also made by phones
[06:14] <imbrandon> and pda's
[06:14] <RAOF> Probably.  It's probably just another mpeg4 + aac in almost-mp4.
[06:14] <_ion> Someone should tell programmers it's actually possible to have more than 3 characters after the last dot nowadays.
[06:14] <imbrandon> heya crimsun 
[06:14] <crimsun> hi
[06:14] <RAOF> _ion: No, that would kill DOS compatibility!
[06:15] <RAOF> _ion: I get a lot of work done on my DR DOS box :P
[06:15] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Can you /please/ do a spelling/grammar check on ubuntuwire.com? It isn't exactly great at the moment... :P
[06:16] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, it was a 3am blurb when i was tired, i'll get to it today lol
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Have you had many sign up for it yet?
[06:16] <imbrandon> about 200
[06:16] <crimsun> although "spamed" could probably pass for a legitimate, new, opt-out thing
[06:16] <imbrandon> not too bad for 24 hours
[06:17] <Fujitsu> Not bad at all, imbrandon.
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh yea but @jabber.org keeps dropping my connection so now i can just use my own ;)(
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:22] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: it's a cool idea and nice that you offer it :)
[06:25] <imbrandon> lotusleaf, ;)
[06:26] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: btw kubuntu rules k thx ;)
[06:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:27] <LaserJock> imbrandon: and I didn't eve get a mention? tsk tsk ;-)
[06:27] <imbrandon> there fixed the spelling check
[06:27] <imbrandon> LaserJock, where?
[06:28] <LaserJock> imbrandon: on the blog post
[06:28] <imbrandon> ohh about the name
[06:28] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:28] <imbrandon> yea , heheh i should add that
[06:28] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:38] <imbrandon> LaserJock, updated hehe, thanks, btw you dont have an index.{html,asp,php} on laserjock.us ?
[06:38] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[06:38] <LaserJock> I was going to fix that
[06:39] <LaserJock> I was using drupal, but in the end it was just overkill for just me
[06:39] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, just looked , 167 to be exact ( the number of users )
[06:39] <imbrandon> but only aobut 15 logged into jabber avg
[06:39] <imbrandon> some may use it just for the email
[06:41] <LaserJock> I've never really had a problem with jabber.org
[06:41] <LaserJock> or maybe I have but I didn't know it
[06:42] <imbrandon> i seem to get disconnected every 4 or 5 hourts from jabber.org , maybe its just me
[06:42] <imbrandon> no real big deal really
[06:43] <imbrandon> actualy it hasent happened lately, it might have just been a spurt a few weeks ago
[06:43] <Fujitsu> One of the main points of Jabber is that it's decentralised... If everybody uses jabber.org, it's silly.
[06:44] <imbrandon> very true
[06:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think I've been on for 4-5 hrs at a time
[06:44] <LaserJock> I don't use it much
[06:44] <imbrandon> decentralized is good ;)
[06:45] <LaserJock> sometimes
[06:46] <imbrandon> any other blatent mistakes i'm missing on ubuntuwire.com ?
[06:46] <imbrandon> i think i snagged them all
[06:47] <Fujitsu> Ah, I've found one!
[06:47] <Fujitsu> You're using PHP.
[06:47] <imbrandon> heh
[06:47] <imbrandon> i dont have mod_python on that server i dont think
[06:47] <imbrandon> not installed atleaste
[06:48] <imbrandon> guess i could but it would be overkill for a simple post script
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Where'd my gnome-{terminal,panel} and Abiword (with a fair bit of work in it) go?
[06:51] <Fujitsu> Curses.
[06:53] <LaserJock> feisty been a little ... unstable for me ;-)
[06:53] <LaserJock> especially KDE
[06:53] <LaserJock> I can't use it when I'm working
[06:54] <Fujitsu> That's the only instability I've had in months...
[06:54] <Fujitsu> And apport didn't trigger, so it must have been a fairly strange crash.
[06:54] <RAOF> Gnome hasn't been particularly unstable for me.
[06:54] <crimsun> leaving apport running makes my system unusable
[06:54] <Fujitsu> crimsun: How?
[06:55] <crimsun> move mouse -> entire screen freezes for one second -> repeat
[06:55] <lifeless> oh, interesting
[06:55] <lifeless> hasve you filed a bug ?
[06:55] <Fujitsu> I like lifeless' idea.
[06:55] <crimsun> lifeless: I haven't had time to reproduce it with -i810 [I use -i810-modesetting] 
[06:56] <lifeless> crimsun: I use modesetting too
[06:56] <LaserJock> Gnome's been better for me
[06:56] <lifeless> crimsun: but apport should be unrelated to that
[06:56] <crimsun> I'll do that in the morning, and if it's still present with -i810, I'll file a bug.
[06:56] <LaserJock> my only problem is really is hard freezes
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Probably modesetting segfaulting every time you move your cursor :P
[06:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I've not had one of those.
[06:56] <LaserJock> once I figured out the KDE "hard shutdown via Keyboard Shortcut"
[06:56] <LaserJock> KDE is giving me lots of those
[06:57] <LaserJock> have to reset my laptop
[06:57] <RAOF> Owch.
[06:57] <LaserJock> last time fschk had a failure
[06:57] <LaserJock> fsck
[06:57] <LaserJock> but a reboot seemed to work
[06:57] <RAOF> Worst I've had is resuming from suspend you need to kill X (with ctrl-alt-sysreq-k) and login again.
[06:57] <Fujitsu> I used to have problems with my monitor remaining off after reopening it in some circumstances, but that seems to have resolved itself now. 
[06:58] <LaserJock> RAOF: I haven't had that one
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Suspend on this laptop works flawlessly, which is good.
[06:58] <LaserJock> suspend to ram doesn't work on mine
[06:58] <RAOF> Apart from that, suspend is working awesomely.  And it seems fixed.
[06:58] <LaserJock> suspend to disk does
[06:58] <crimsun> the beast that is "suspend"
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Suspend-to-disk used to work, but I now use crypto-swap.
[06:58] <RAOF> Once Xorg gets fully merged, I'll find out if Compiz kills suspend :)
[07:00] <LaserJock> I just want an X that doesn't freeze
[07:00] <RAOF> I've got one of those!
[07:00] <LaserJock> lucky! :p
[07:00] <crimsun> the X in the upper right corner of your windows freezes?
[07:00] <LaserJock> heh
[07:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:01] <LaserJock> the whole screen just freezes
[07:01] <LaserJock> I've never really seen anything like it
[07:01] <LaserJock> it's just dead
[07:01] <lifeless> Fujitsu: does crypto swap stop it working ?
[07:02] <Fujitsu> lifeless: It's a random key on each boot... So yes.
[07:02] <imbrandon> RAOF, and to awnser you from earlier most new phones and pda type mobile cameras do 3g2 == 3ggp2 == 3gp second gen
[07:02] <imbrandon> just FYI
[07:02] <imbrandon> and yes its a form of mp4
[07:02] <Fujitsu> I'm really happy with the Linux compatibility of this laptop, especially now (thanks crimsun!) the HDA stuff works properly, with microphone and all.
[07:03] <crimsun> ugh, HDA scars.
[07:03] <Fujitsu> crimsun: It does look really painful to work with.
[07:04] <imbrandon> s/3ggp2/3gpp2/
[07:04] <imbrandon> anyhow
[07:05] <RAOF> And so I presume ffmpeg handles it?
[07:05] <imbrandon> not gotten that far but mencoder does so i would assume its useing ffmpeg
[07:05] <imbrandon> brb
[07:05] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:06] <RAOF> night bddebian
[07:06] <imbrandon> night bdmurray 
[07:06] <imbrandon> err
[07:06] <imbrandon> and it looks to be vorbis audio not aac
[07:06] <imbrandon> anyhow
[07:07] <RAOF> Woah.  Someone using an open codec in a real-life device?  Crazy! :)
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <imbrandon> 'heya dholbach 
[07:09] <Fujitsu> Hi dholbach.
[07:09] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[07:09] <dholbach> hey Fujitsu
[07:12] <LaserJock> ok, fixed my site, thanks for reminding me imbrandon 
[07:12] <LaserJock> morning dholbach 
[07:14] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[07:14] <imbrandon> hehe np
[07:14] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I didn't want to just leave there in mid air
[07:14] <LaserJock> but I forgot that I didn't do it
[07:15] <LaserJock> I was working on another website and forgot
[07:15] <imbrandon> heh i have done that a few times
[07:15] <LaserJock> If I get a little wild some day maybe I'll figure out how to use PHP to do something nifty
[07:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:17] <imbrandon> i might add mod_python to my webserver tonight possibly
[07:17] <imbrandon> just to have it incase i wanna use it
[07:17] <imbrandon> Seveas keeps preaching python for the web , he might convince me one day
[07:18] <_ion> pffft
[07:18] <_ion> from __future__ import ruby
[07:18] <LaserJock> bah
[07:19] <LaserJock> how do you know if a webserver has mod_python?
[07:19] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Where's your site hosted?
[07:19] <LaserJock> somewhere
[07:19] <LaserJock> not my machine
[07:19] <LaserJock> but I actually can't remember the name of the place
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Trinsite, perhaps?
[07:20] <LaserJock> yeah, that might be it
[07:20] <LaserJock> I guess I could have figured that out ;-)
[07:21] <Fujitsu> Probably :P
[07:21] <LaserJock> hmm, I've got PHP 4.4.2 on here
[07:22] <LaserJock> aren't we getting rid of PHP4?
[07:22] <imbrandon> yes 
[07:22] <imbrandon> everything save drupal uses 5 now
[07:22] <imbrandon> 5 has been out ages
[07:23] <Fujitsu> PHP 5 has been out since '03 or so, I think.
[07:23] <LaserJock> how about apache2?
[07:23] <Fujitsu> What about apache2?
[07:23] <imbrandon> apache2 uses 5 ( or 4 or 3 for that matter )
[07:23] <Fujitsu> apache2 uses whatever, yep.
[07:26] <LaserJock> but how long has it been out?
[07:26] <LaserJock> I don't think my server has it
[07:26] <imbrandon> how long has what been out ?
[07:26] <imbrandon> apache2 ? years
[07:27] <imbrandon> apache and the php verison have little or nothing to do with each other
[07:28] <imbrandon> LaserJock, you can install either one, apache or apache2
[07:28] <imbrandon> my servers use apache2 and php5
[07:28] <LaserJock> I just wondered
[07:28] <LaserJock> my home server is running Feisty so I have apache2 and php5
[07:29] <imbrandon> i have dapper servers with apache2 and php5 ( or breezy )
[07:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:30] <LaserJock> well yeah
[07:30] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That's because you have libapache2-mod-php5. -php4 is the PHP4 version (which should be removed soon).
[07:30] <LaserJock> yes yes, I know
[07:30] <LaserJock> I was just wondering how old they all were
[07:30] <imbrandon> but you can still choose to install apache 1.3 or php4 , apache and php can have diffrent versions installed side by side like python2.4 and 2.5 etc
[07:31] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ dpkg -l|grep apache
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  apache-common                1.3.34-4ubuntu1             support files for all Apache webservers
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  apache2                      2.0.55-4ubuntu4             next generation, scalable, extendable web se
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  apache2-common               2.0.55-4ubuntu4             next generation, scalable, extendable web se
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  apache2-mpm-prefork          2.0.55-4ubuntu4             traditional model for Apache2
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  apache2-utils                2.0.55-4ubuntu4             utility programs for webservers
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  libapache-mod-php4           4.4.2-1.1                   server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
[07:31] <imbrandon> ii  libapache2-mod-php5          5.1.6-1ubuntu2.1            server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag
[07:31] <imbrandon> thats why i have on my server atm
[07:31] <imbrandon> s/why/what
[07:33] <imbrandon> well atleaste the one that runs imbrandon.com and ubuntuwire.com ( and a few other misc sites )
[07:54] <imbrandon> ...
[07:54] <imbrandon> i shushed everyone
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Dinner required consumption.
[08:02] <minghua> So "no speaking at dinner table" apply to IRC too? :-)
[08:02] <Fujitsu> Pretty much. Though they allowed me to when I was chatting with sabdfl a while ago.
[08:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:14] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, do you have win32codecs installed ?
[08:17] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: Certainly not.
[08:17] <imbrandon> hum ok
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Why?>
[08:18] <imbrandon> i wanted your to play a file in mplayer and tell me what codec its trying to use, no biggie, i'm just trying to find a good way to convert these damn 3g2 ( apparently qt codec needed ) to ogg 
[08:18] <imbrandon> or similar free video
[08:19] <imbrandon> i recorded some videos at the club last night and ..... well yea
[08:31] <tsmithe> Adri2000, thanks :)
[10:45] <Fujitsu> Beryl seems to run at a reasonable speed on this i915 now... The only change is the new xorg-xserver, but that surely can't do it.
[12:41] <ajmitch> StevenK: dbmail is a fairly substantial update
[12:41] <StevenK> ajmitch: Indeed, but one that I think is worth it.
[12:53] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:54] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty 
[12:54] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty, ajmitch 
[12:54] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[12:54] <sistpoty> ajmitch: should I file a FreezeException for supertux-stable? or any other thoughts on this topic?
[12:55] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it's a mess, I haven't followed it closely
[12:55] <ajmitch> have you heard from upstream, rather than from a random user?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes
[12:57] <sistpoty> dholbach: do you have any further thoughts on supertux? 
[12:58] <sistpoty> or crimsun, gpocentek: ^^ ?
[12:59] <gpocentek> I only quickly read the thread
[01:06] <Hobbsee> gpocentek: and so they stop whinging at us for not providing it
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ahh, there we go...
[01:08] <gpocentek> I agree with Rocco, I'd prefer having an -unstable package... but it's not possible with the backport
[01:10] <sistpoty> gpocentek: well, I guess it'd be possible with supertux-stable and supertux-unstable both providing supertux, but that would be even going more out of sync with debian
[01:11] <gpocentek> true
[01:17] <dholbach> there's nothing wrong with rolling back to 0.1.something
[01:17] <dholbach> and leaving the bug in edgy
[01:17] <sistpoty> well, there are quite some users who'd rather have the 0.3 version instead of the stable one
[01:17] <dholbach> either have an epoch or a version named 0.3.is.really.0.1.<something>
[01:18] <dholbach> the first thing I'd do talk to upstream and explain them the benefits of users "tracking development versions"
[01:18] <dholbach> and name GNOME and others as examples for that
[01:18] <dholbach> that's the most beneficial approach to the problem :)
[01:19] <Hobbsee> dholbach: upstream is happy with us having both, but we need to label which is which.
[01:19] <sistpoty> dholbach: so you'd disencourage of having both versions in the archive?
[01:20] <dholbach> sistpoty: that's ok too - I was just poiting other possibilities
[01:20] <sistpoty> dholbach: ah, k :)
[01:21] <sistpoty> (or it was lost on the debian games ml *g*)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:26] <sistpoty> at least there weren't complaints on the debian-games ml *G*
[01:26] <sistpoty> (though there was a longer thread about 0.3.0)
[01:31] <sistpoty> ok, I'm now out for a cigarette, and then I'll upload supertux/supertux-stable, unless someone complains in the meantime ;)
[01:32] <Adri2000> supertux 0.3.0backto0.1.3-0ubuntu1 and supertux-unstable 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 < why not something like that ? :)
[01:33] <Adri2000> people will update to the stable version when upgrading their feisty or when upgrading to feisty from edgy (with backports or not). those who want 0.3.0 will use supertux-unstable.
[01:41] <sistpoty> Adri2000: well, but I guess quite many ppl. actually want 0.3.0 so (and have it installed from backports), so they'll end up with the old version once upgraded
[01:55] <sistpoty> ok, uploaded
[02:19] <sistpoty> later folks
[02:28] <fernando> moin all
[02:40] <giskard> slomo, again? uff 
[02:41] <giskard> hey motu* when you have time could you please take a look on the beryl packages?
[02:41] <ajmitch> you avoided use of the fragment shader compiler now?
[03:02] <hub> oh great, python is foobared
[03:07] <slomo> giskard: yes, but i fixed it now ;)
[03:07] <giskard> slomo, thank you
[03:08] <giskard> stupid me, btw
[03:08] <slomo> giskard: oh, did i fix it? wait, this was galago-sharp that i fixed... sorry ;)
[03:08] <slomo> giskard: t# stilln needs to be fixed... do you want to do it?
[03:09] <giskard> what was the fix for g-sharp
[03:09] <slomo> giskard: dropped libdbus-1-cil build dependency, adding new required build dependencies (libgnmoe2.0-cil) and don't buildnig tests to not use dbus
[03:09] <giskard> slomo, ah! oki
[03:10] <slomo> giskard: i don't care enough about it to really maintain it... i just want to get rid of libdbus-1-cil ;)
[03:11] <giskard> :P
[03:11] <giskard> oki
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:28] <Adri2000> heya bddebian
[03:28] <bddebian> Hello Adri2000
[03:29] <Adri2000> doko: can you take a look at bug #83097
[03:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83097 in python-gammu "versions <= 0.16 don't work with python 2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83097
[03:29] <Adri2000> doko: please :)
[03:30] <Adri2000> doko: I don't know if I can update it (with an UVF exception), or if you plan to do it
[03:31] <doko> Adri2000: write a report to ask for an UVF exception (following the documented procedure)
[03:32] <Adri2000> ok
[03:32] <doko> thanks
[03:32] <Adri2000> np :)
[03:34] <bddebian> I wonder if it's worth filing a UVFe sync request for thuban..
[03:43] <Adri2000> ERROR: Package gammu is too old!
[03:43] <Adri2000>        You need version 1.9.20, but 1.9.0 is installed
[03:43] <Adri2000> pbuilder: Failed autobuilding of package
[03:43] <Adri2000> :(
[03:44] <bddebian> Always "fun" isn't it? :)
[03:44] <Adri2000> ehehe :p
[03:47] <Adri2000> the solution would be to update python-gammu only to 0.17 (which includes python 2.5 support), the "Compatibility with current gammu releases" is only in 0.18. what do you think doko?
[03:48] <doko> Adri2000: your decision; you are motu, arn't you? I don't know the package ...
[03:49] <bddebian> Adri2000: In other words go ahead, but break it and you die ;-P
[03:49] <Adri2000> ok :
[04:50] <bddebian> Oh crap, I probably wasn't supposed to upload a UVF eh?
[04:50] <bddebian> We have a team for that?
[04:51] <Adri2000> bddebian: you uploaded a new upstream version?
[04:52] <bddebian> Yeah, it was ack'd by dholbach but I suppose I wasn't supposed to
[04:54] <bddebian> Oh, maybe I'm OK, we only need 1 ack from a UVF team member apparently
[04:54] <Adri2000> dholbach is in motu-uvf, so...
[04:55] <dholbach> no, you need two
[04:55] <dholbach> if the bug is confirmed, then it's good to go
[04:55] <bddebian> We do?  That's not what the Exception page says
[04:56] <Adri2000> bddebian: you filed a bug for this UVFe? or just asked dholbach?
[04:56] <bddebian> Adri2000: No, it was already file by tuxmaniac, I was just "helping"
[04:56] <bddebian> filed even
[04:58] <Lure> dholbach (or other MC members): any news regarding the mailing list for applying for MOTU? 
[04:58] <tuxmaniac> err. so is there something wrong with the procedure followed now? dholbach bddebian or is it fine?
[04:59] <dholbach> Lure: I'm repeatedly pinging the sysadmin team
[04:59] <dholbach> Lure: i'll announce it once it's there. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm not blocking this. :-(
[04:59] <Lure> dholbach: ok, so just a question of getting Mailman list?
[04:59] <Lure> dholbach: thanks
[05:00] <dholbach> Lure: yep, exactly
[05:02] <bddebian> Anyone have a feisty machine that wants to test a package for me quick?
[05:02] <Adri2000> bddebian: yep
[05:02] <bddebian> Let me throw it on REVU quick
[05:04] <tuxmaniac> bddebian, is it gnusim8085 by any chance? :-)
[05:05] <Adri2000> tuxmaniac: this one is already uploaded ;)
[05:05] <tuxmaniac> Adri2000, :-)
[05:09] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: No, thuban
[05:10] <bddebian> Adri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4504
[05:11] <Adri2000> building
[05:12] <bddebian> Adri2000: I know it'll build, I just need to know that it "works" :_)
[05:14] <Adri2000> yep, I'm building it in order to test it :)
[05:15] <bddebian> I know :)
[05:22] <Toadstool> g'morning!
[05:22] <Adri2000> morning Toadstool
[05:23] <Toadstool> hey Adri2000 
[05:23] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:23] <Toadstool> hi bddebian 
[05:24] <Adri2000> bddebian: bad news for you
[05:25] <Adri2000> bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7660/
[05:27] <bddebian> Gah, wtf
[05:36] <bddebian> This is supposed to handle that:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7661/
[05:38] <bddebian> Oh crap, 1.1.0 is a development release
[05:38] <Adri2000> ahah :D
[05:38] <slomo> bddebian: what are you doing? :)
[05:41] <bddebian> slomo: Nothing constructive, that's for damn sure
[05:42] <bddebian> I was trying to update/whack any packages still building with wxgtk2.4
[05:44] <bddebian> Gah, maybe I just need to finally give up altogether :'-(
[06:32] <imbrandon> moins all
[06:34] <jwhitlark> imbrandon, 'sup.  u missed pycon.
[06:36] <imbrandon> yea , we eneded up getting a new big project at work and there was a ton of overtime associated
[06:37] <imbrandon> but the good news is i got Ubuntu Live tickets already and working on getting to spain too
[06:37] <zul> hey imbrandon 
[06:37] <imbrandon> heya zul 
[06:37] <zul> imbrandon: must be nice to be independtly weatlhy :)
[06:38] <imbrandon> hahaha i wish
[06:38] <zul> imbrandon: heh...if you dont eat for a whole month you can fly to spain ;)
[06:38] <imbrandon> independnt yes, weathty no ;)
[06:38] <imbrandon> lol
[06:43] <fernando> hi imbrandon 
[06:43] <imbrandon> ello fernando 
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[06:44] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[06:46] <bddebian> Adri2000: Thanks for testing btw
[06:46] <tsmithe> hi imbrandon
[06:46] <tsmithe> hows the hand?
[06:47] <imbrandon> good
[06:47] <tsmithe> cool!
[06:47] <imbrandon> almost healed
[06:48] <tsmithe> great
[06:54] <nixternal> boo
[06:56] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[06:57] <nixternal> well hello there mister
[07:03] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:03] <bddebian> hrmph
[07:04] <LaserJock> hmm, I missed whatever somebody said
[07:05] <bddebian> Just lowly ol' me saying Hi :-)
[07:10] <zul> ummm...interesting im not a motu anymore according to launchpad
[07:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:10] <LaserJock> I brought that up when sistpoty was making the changes
[07:10] <zul> im free!! :)
[07:10] <LaserJock> hehe, not exactly
[07:11] <LaserJock> or maybe
[07:11] <LaserJock> hmmmm
[07:11] <zul> or fired...heh
[07:11] <LaserJock> it used to be that you were a MOTU if you were a core-dev
[07:11] <LaserJock> because ubuntu-core-dev was a member of ubuntu-dev
[07:12] <LaserJock> but now ubuntu-core-dev isn't a member of motu
[07:12] <LaserJock> so technically core devs aren't MOTUs anymore
[07:13] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:13] <zul> dang..
[07:13] <zul> one less emblem..
[07:13] <LaserJock> "Burn 'em!"
[07:13] <zul> more witches!!
[07:14] <LaserJock> there should be some "Law" that states how long it will take a Linux IRC chat to reduce to Monty Python references
[07:15] <zul> i happen to like monty python
[07:15] <LaserJock> I love monty python
[07:15] <LaserJock> somehow it seems appropriate for every occasion
[07:15] <zul> indoubely
[07:17] <bddebian> "A duck"
[07:18] <LaserJock> do we have 61 MOTUs now
[07:18] <LaserJock> *so
[07:18] <bddebian> WHAT?
[07:19] <bddebian> 60, take me off the list
[07:19] <LaserJock> whatever
[07:21] <tsmithe> add me to the list!
[07:21] <bddebian> tsmithe: You can take my spot.  I'm useless anymore
[07:21] <tsmithe> woohoo
[07:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: stop it
[07:22] <bddebian> Speaking of which, did we lose ESR already? :-)
[07:22] <tsmithe> eh?
[07:22] <LaserJock> maybe the doc team scared him away :-)
[07:22] <bddebian> heh
[07:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: maybe we just gave him too much to do greping out all the Ubuntu man pages
[07:24] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:25] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, no kidding
[07:26] <Q-FUNK> motu et bouche cousue
[07:32] <bddebian> yeah, what he said
[07:44] <ajmitch> morning
[07:46] <tsmithe> hiya ajmitch 
[07:46] <zul> heya ajmitch 
[07:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[07:49] <LaserJock> hola ajmitch 
[07:54] <cbx33> hey ajmitch 
[07:58] <fernando> moin ajmitch 
[08:16] <Adri2000> any motu-uvf to give a quick +1 to bug #88042 ?
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request]  python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88042
[08:23] <LaserJock> imbrandon: around?
[09:00] <sacater> gpocentek?
[09:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock, pong
[10:38] <tsmithe> haha!
[10:38] <Hobbsee> yay, tsmithe!
[10:38] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[10:39] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[10:39] <tsmithe> imbrandon, meh. mine's .com :P
[10:39] <tsmithe> mrgh
[10:39] <imbrandon> oh i have a ubuntu.com one too and imbrandon.com and brandonholtsclaw.com and ubuntuwire.com and ton of others ;)
[10:40] <_MMA_> Hobbsee: tsmithe is using your stick in other channels.
[10:40] <tsmithe> does that by chance mean i have to use kde?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[10:40] <tsmithe> damn
[10:40] <tsmithe> can i have an address anyway just for being great?
[10:41] <imbrandon> if you have a ubuntu.com one you have a kubuntu.org one iirc
[10:41] <LaserJock> I've got an @edubuntu.org address so :p
[10:41] <imbrandon> and edubuntu.org too
[10:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:42] <_MMA_> Hobbsee: "tsmithe: i'll just get my own stick. and it'll be longer and pointier" <- Stick envy.
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:42] <tsmithe> _MMA_, tell tale
[10:42] <_MMA_> lol
[10:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:43] <tsmithe> mm?
[10:43] <LaserJock> you can't go around stealing people's sticks
[10:43] <LaserJock> it's bad form you know
[10:43] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:44] <tsmithe> that's why i got my own :)
[10:44] <tsmithe> and it wasn't theft damnit!
[10:44] <tsmithe> just, erm, borrowing
[10:44] <LaserJock> sure ....
[10:47] <imbrandon> haha you stoped downloading and i went from 900kb/s upload to 10kb/s upload
[10:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ^^
[10:48] <LaserJock> lol
[10:48] <LaserJock> uni badwidth FTW
[10:48] <LaserJock> *bandwidth
[10:48] <tsmithe> pahs
[10:53] <Hobbsee> uni bandwidth here sucks.
[10:54] <imbrandon> work bandwidth rocks
[10:55] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I can get 4MB/s if I get a good mirror
[10:55] <Hobbsee> nice...
[10:55] <LaserJock> CD .iso in 1.5 mins
[10:55] <Hobbsee> 6% [5 libbonobo2-common 371917/595kB 62%]  [4 supertux-data 2682577/37.0MB 7%]                                               27.9kB/s 28m53s
[10:56] <imbrandon> yea i can get 100 if i get a good mirror , i've only got 60 so far ( both ways )
[10:56] <ajmitch> imbrandon: MB/sec? :)
[10:56] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea
[10:56] <ajmitch> you suck
[10:57] <tsmithe> woah
[10:57] <imbrandon> thats the ones ubuntuwire.com and the buld boxes are on
[10:57] <tsmithe> a whole CD in six seconds?!!!
[10:57] <imbrandon> and imbrandon.com
[10:58] <stgraber> tsmithe: You have to consider the harddisk speed :)
[10:58] <tsmithe> haha - forgot about that
[10:58] <tsmithe> i wish i was at a point where the HD was slower than the line
[10:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:00] <imbrandon> hrm lemme test it real fast
[11:01] <ajmitch> tsmithe: why, I can get up around 100MB/sec on my hard drives
[11:01] <tsmithe> random access?
[11:01] <tsmithe> or is the contiguous data?
[11:03] <ajmitch> contiguous, tested with bonnie++
[11:03] <imbrandon> hum i must have picked a slow mirror , i only got about ~10mb/s this time
[11:03] <imbrandon> Length: 721,965,056 (689M) [application/x-iso9660-image] 
[11:03] <imbrandon> 100%[[11:03] <ajmitch> so a sustained write speed to the filesystem of 100MB/sec
[11:03] <imbrandon> i've had it upto 60 before
[11:03] <ajmitch> though that is RAID, not a single disk 
[11:05] <imbrandon> that mirror probably had a 10mb/s upload max
[11:05] <imbrandon> is why
[11:10] <ajmitch> tsmithe: building packages goes a bit faster on raid 0 :)
[11:10] <tsmithe> mrgh
[11:10] <tsmithe> stop boasting
[11:11] <ajmitch> sure, I could boast about my high speed adsl
[11:11] <tsmithe> go away :P
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[11:12] <ajmitch> I live in NZ
[11:12] <ajmitch> decent connectivity is a mythic creature, not often seen
[11:12] <tsmithe> i live in the UK
[11:12] <tsmithe> decent connectivity is pretty much ubiquitous
[11:13] <tsmithe> unfortunately, i'm about four miles from my exchange, so adsl is slow
[11:13] <ajmitch> telecom are rolling out adsl2+ "real soon now"
[11:13] <imbrandon> ajmitch, hehe
[11:13] <imbrandon> fiber in the DC ftw
[11:14] <imbrandon> i'm not even sure how much total bandwidth we have but i know our avg out is about 200MB/s 
[11:14] <imbrandon> but my 100MB/s nic is connected to a cisco thats direct to the core
[11:14] <imbrandon> so i get a full 100MB/s if i can use it
[11:15] <ajmitch> lucky
[11:15] <ajmitch> though you probably wouldn't get away with saturating that
[11:15] <ajmitch> management may not be happy
[11:15] <imbrandon> in bursts they dont care, i've done that, if i went over 50mb/s avg they might balk
[11:15] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:16] <imbrandon> but as of this moment i do about 2mb/s avg total accross all my domains
[11:16] <LaserJock> holy freaking cow
[11:16] <LaserJock> sorry, I mean, wow!
[11:18] <LaserJock> I think I use of something like 100mb/month on laserjock.us ;-)
[11:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:29] <tsmithe> imbrandon, that's not true: "
[11:29] <tsmithe> Remote host said: 550 <tsmithe@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table"
[11:29] <tsmithe> :'(
[11:29] <imbrandon> ahh maybe not then heh
[11:30] <tsmithe> :)
[11:30] <imbrandon> i know both of mine work, but i'm also in kubuntu-team and ubuntu members
[11:30] <tsmithe> yea
[11:34] <Adri2000> bddebian: how is wx2.8 going?
[11:34] <imbrandon> oh snap i just realized this router i got given to me supports openwrt
[11:34] <imbrandon> nice
[11:40] <Adri2000> ajmitch: around? would you give a +1 for my UVFe? :) bug #88042
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request]  python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88042