[12:54] <j1mc> i'm having trouble rsync'ing to update my current feisty iso.
[12:54] <j1mc> it seems to connect just fine, but doesn't seem to update anything
[12:56] <j1mc> hrrmmm . . .
[12:56] <j1mc> :(
[01:20] <vnaughtdeltat> Can anyone help me with changing my x resolution?
[01:21] <fxr> whats the deal with lmsensors and dual core cpu's?
[01:23] <vnaughtdeltat> quit
[01:28] <ollie_> Hi, just a quick question. I'm having a little play with XDMCP type stuff. On the Ubuntu login screen, on the menu at the bottom left there is an option to "Remote Login via XDMCP". How do I get this option on the Xubuntu login screen? Or elsewhere in Xubuntu for that matter!?
[01:35] <ollie_> actually, no worries, googling has finally turned up an answer - press F10!
[01:51] <akao> how do i install extra fonts in xfce?
[02:00] <BFTD> akao fontforge
[02:00] <akao> hm
[02:06] <akao> if i have a tar file with the fonts can i simply extract them to a particular directory?
[02:07] <j1mc> is anyone in here running xubuntu feisty?
[02:18] <s|k> I get a really bad refresh rate when I move my windows around on the desktop or when I scroll a document in a browser
[02:19] <s|k> anyway to improve that? I have a 8mb ati radeon rage xl :/
[02:20] <akao> you might not be using the right driver
[02:21] <s|k> hrm is there a friendly driver in synaptic?
[02:21] <s|k> for ati?
[02:21] <akao> not really
[02:21] <s|k> :(
[02:21] <akao> welcome to the hellish existence of an ATI graphics card owner
[02:21] <s|k> :(
[02:21] <akao> if you look around the web there are some instructions but it can be hit or miss
[02:22] <s|k> hrm
[02:22] <s|k> I paid $20 for this card
[02:22] <akao> if i were you i'd go on the ubuntuforums and look for your specific graphics card
[02:22] <akao> see what other people are doing
[02:22] <s|k> ok thanks
[02:23] <j1mc> s|k, which version of xubuntu are you running?
[02:25] <s|k> hrm
[02:25] <s|k> lemme check
[02:25] <s|k> Xfce 4 Desktop Environment
[02:25] <s|k> version 4.3.99.1 (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[02:26] <Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[02:27] <j1mc> thx . . . there's a bug in 4.4 final which causes the terminal to move across the screen in a kind of choppy manner.
[02:27] <j1mc> . . . like when you move the terminal window.
[02:27] <s|k> oh
[02:27] <j1mc> that's what someone at my glug told me yesterday.
[02:27] <s|k> there's no fix yet?
[02:27] <s|k> hrm
[02:28] <s|k> let me try another desktop
[02:28] <j1mc> he said that you can fix it by editing your bash profile . . .
[02:28] <j1mc> but i'm unable to reach him to find out what the change was.
[02:28] <s|k> oh
[02:30] <j1mc> i haven't had any trouble with moving around other apps, though.
[02:30] <j1mc> just the terminal
[02:30] <s|k> nah it's everything for me
[02:31] <s|k> not just the terminal
[02:32] <akao> in kubuntu on my desktop with x1800GTO radeon the windows do that stutter thing
[02:35] <s|k> yeah I have this problem when I first install windows before I install the nvidia drivers
[02:35] <s|k> on my other pc
[02:36] <akao> it's probably the drivers man, i'd look up other people with your graphics card, see if there's a particular solution. It's unfortunate but the drivers for ATI cards really suck
[02:36] <s|k> yeah I've been searching the forums
[02:36] <akao> any luck?
[02:36] <s|k> they all seem to say i have to recompile the kernel with the non free ati drivers :(
[02:36] <s|k> maybe I'll just get a cheap nvida card
[02:37] <s|k> I don't remember if I had this problem with slackware
[02:38] <s|k> I guess it's not that big of a deal
[02:47] <Marintia> Hello
[02:47] <Marintia> How can I install beryl ?
[02:48] <Marintia> ideaS?
[02:52] <s|k> I just saw some threads about it in the forums Marintia
[02:52] <Marintia> it's possible ?
[02:52] <s|k> well
[02:52] <s|k> it didn't say xubuntu
[02:52] <s|k> so I don't know
[02:53] <Marintia> btw i can't run firefox cuz a windows is running but is freeze hwo can i force t to close?
[02:53] <s|k> dunno
[02:54] <Marintia> ok brb
[02:54] <Marintia> rebooting
[02:54] <s|k> heh
[02:54] <s|k> could have just shutdown x
[02:54] <s|k> :/
[03:04] <lukaswayne9> Does Xubuntu include OO.O on the install disk?
[03:06] <j1mc> lukaswayne9, yes, it only includes openoffice.org writer by default, though.
[03:06] <j1mc> the other OO.o files are available through download
[03:06] <j1mc> they are easy to get, though.
[03:06] <Marintia> how can i add a repository  ?
[03:06] <j1mc> Marintia, what version of xubuntu are you using?
[03:07] <Marintia> uhm how can i know ?
[03:07] <lukaswayne9> alright
[03:08] <j1mc> Marintia, go to the "Applications" button, and select "About Xfce 4"
[03:08] <Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[03:08] <j1mc> what version does it say you have?
[03:08] <Marintia> 4.3.99.1
[03:09] <j1mc> cool.  thanks.
[03:09] <j1mc> ok, go to "Applications" --> System --> Synaptic Package Manager
[03:09] <Marintia> done
[03:10] <j1mc> it will ask you to enter your password, then go to "settings"
[03:10] <j1mc> and select repositories
[03:10] <j1mc> you should be able to check the boxes for the different repositories.
[03:11] <j1mc> did that work?
[03:12] <Marintia> yes
[03:12] <Marintia> but i want to install beryl
[03:12] <j1mc> ah . . . ok
[03:12] <Marintia> i found this: http://aruljohn.wordpress.com/2007/02/05/installing-beryl-xubuntu-on-compaq-presario-r3000/
[03:12] <Marintia> no idea how to do it :( is my first day :) with linuix
[03:13] <j1mc> you will need to do that manually, but it's not hard
[03:13] <j1mc> do you know whether you have an ATI or Nvidia video card?
[03:13] <j1mc> or possibly intel?
[03:14] <Marintia> my pc is intel inside pentium 4
[03:15] <j1mc> hrm . . .   we need to know the type of video card, though.
[03:15] <j1mc> try typing "lspci" (without the quotes)
[03:15] <j1mc> type that into a terminal
[03:16] <Marintia> ok
[03:18] <j1mc> do you get a line anywhere (maybe near the bottom) that says, "VGA compatible controller"?
[03:18] <Marintia> how can i copy
[03:18] <Marintia> in theterminal
[03:18] <j1mc> to copy from the terminal, press Cntrl-Shift-C
[03:18] <j1mc> (after you've highlighted the text)
[03:19] <Marintia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7598/
[03:19] <Marintia> look there
[03:22] <Marintia> How it looks ?
[03:23] <j1mc> good.  you have an intel video card, which is good for linux.
[03:23] <j1mc> intel has open source video cards
[03:23] <j1mc> or, open source video card _drivers_
[03:23] <j1mc> ok, go here to see how to add the right repositories
[03:23] <j1mc> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX#Add_repositories
[03:23] <Marintia> ooooooooooooooooooooooOK :)
[03:24] <j1mc> do not add the experimental respositories
[03:24] <Marintia> let's see
[03:24] <j1mc> and you will need to import the GPG key to make sure the packages are authentic
[03:24] <j1mc> the instructions are there, though.  you can copy and paste . . .
[03:25] <Marintia> let me check
[03:25] <j1mc> you might want to try "sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list" instead of ". . . nano . . . "
[03:26] <Marintia> i need to send:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:26] <Marintia> right?
[03:26] <j1mc> try "sudo mousepad . . . " instead
[03:26] <j1mc> you can type that into the terminal
[03:27] <j1mc> mousepad is just easier to work with for beginners than nano
[03:27] <Marintia> let me see
[03:28] <Marintia> sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:28] <Marintia> en la terminal
[03:28] <Marintia> in the terminal
[03:28] <Marintia> now ?
[03:28] <Marintia> i need to paste this line:  deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main , in that .txt file ?
[03:28] <j1mc> yes
[03:29] <j1mc> at the bottom is fine
[03:29] <Marintia> wherever ?
[03:29] <Marintia> ok ok
[03:29] <Marintia> bottom you mean in the top ?
[03:29] <j1mc> no, at the bottom of the text file . . . after all of the other lines
[03:29] <spasticteapot> Any developers/gurus here?
[03:30] <j1mc> what's up spasticteapot
[03:30] <spasticteapot> I was curious about some odd quirks in the XFCE user interface.
[03:30] <spasticteapot> jlmc: Hello!
[03:30] <j1mc> ask away.  see if anyone is around who can help
[03:31] <Marintia> jlmc: like this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7600/
[03:31] <spasticteapot> I noticed that I can't click, drag, and move things in and out of Thunar windows and on and off of the desktop.
[03:31] <Marintia> this is the line:  deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
[03:31] <spasticteapot> Strictly speaking, the desktop does'nt work properly at all.
[03:31] <j1mc> you pasted them at the top, but it should be fine.
[03:31] <j1mc> heh
[03:31] <spasticteapot> Is this just me?
[03:32] <Marintia> now i shoud save it right?
[03:32] <j1mc> Marintia, yes
[03:32] <Marintia> ready pasting this in the terminal: wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[03:32] <j1mc> spasticteapot, maybe your comments and questions would be better directed to the xfce IRC channel.
[03:32] <Marintia> done
[03:32] <j1mc> Marintia, cool.
[03:32] <Marintia> now: 2. Update and upgrade
[03:32] <Marintia> apt-get update
[03:33] <spasticteapot> jlmc: I'll check it out.
[03:33] <j1mc> sudo apt-get update . . . yes
[03:33] <Marintia> i need to send , apt-get update , in the terminal right?
[03:33] <spasticteapot> j1mc: Sorry..misspelled your name.
[03:33] <j1mc> np, spasticteapot :)
[03:33] <Marintia> torro@torro-desktop:~$ apt-get update
[03:33] <Marintia> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:33] <Marintia> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[03:33] <Marintia> :/
[03:33] <j1mc> Marintia, you need to close "Synaptic"
[03:33] <j1mc> (don't worry, i do that myself some times)
[03:34] <j1mc> close the graphical program that we used to check the repositories
[03:34] <spasticteapot> Must say that I love Xubuntu.
[03:34] <spasticteapot> At least the bugs are mostly cosmetic.
[03:35] <j1mc> :)
[03:35] <Marintia> nothign is open
[03:35] <j1mc> try again . . . make sure you type "sudo" at the start
[03:35] <Marintia> OK
[03:35] <j1mc> sudo apt-get update
[03:35] <Marintia> done :) !!
[03:35] <Marintia> master
[03:36] <Marintia> Reading package lists... Done
[03:36] <j1mc> ok . . . you should be able to procede with the instructions from the website you found.
[03:36] <j1mc> be careful . . . beryl is still in heavy development.
[03:36] <j1mc> it looks pretty, but doesn't always work right.
[03:37] <spasticteapot> Murrine works FLAWLESSLY.
[03:37] <spasticteapot> Faster than the default window-rendering thingamajig.
[03:38] <Marintia> is updating something
[03:38] <Marintia> or something like that i sent apt-get upgrade
[03:38] <Marintia> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:38] <j1mc> Marintia, those directions you found are for installing beryl on an Nvidia graphics card, and they likely will not work for you.
[03:39] <Marintia> isn't work ?
[03:39] <Marintia> it's not going to work ?
[03:40] <j1mc> it will work, you just need to follow different instructions.
[03:40] <j1mc> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX#How-to_install_Beryl_with_AIGLX_on_Edgy_Eft
[03:40] <j1mc> if you follow the instructions from the page you found, it won't work.
[03:40] <Marintia> :o
[03:40] <Marintia> tel me see your site then
[03:41] <j1mc> see the link above.
[03:41] <j1mc> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX#How-to_install_Beryl_with_AIGLX_on_Edgy_Eft
[03:41] <j1mc> that one
[03:42] <j1mc> Marintia, i have to go.
[03:42] <j1mc> those instructions should be pretty good.  just take your time with them.
[03:42] <Marintia> thank you very much !!
[03:42] <Marintia> :)))
[03:42] <j1mc> yw.  good luck!
[03:42] <Marintia> ok thank you!!!have a nice day / night !!
[03:42] <j1mc> :)
[03:50] <Marintia> what mean to the botomm of the file ?
[03:50] <Marintia> bottom
[03:55] <Marintia> hey
[03:55] <Marintia> someone can help me the site that he sent me please!!!
[04:10] <BFTD> !44bsd-rdist
[04:10] <ubotu> 44bsd-rdist: 4.4BSD rdist.. In component universe, is optional. Version 20001111-6 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 100 kB
[04:10] <BFTD> hrm
[04:11] <BFTD> what is it though
[04:13] <joshua__> hey folks, I just installed xubuntu 6.06 how can I upgrade to 6.10?
[04:14] <jlowell> not sure if that worked, let me type it again:
[04:14] <jlowell> hey folks, I just installed xubuntu 6.06 how can I upgrade to 6.10?
[04:16] <BFTD> jlowell the recommended way is to download 6.10 and do a clean installation
[04:17] <BFTD> or...you can do the unrecommended way and change your source.list to edgy and do a dist-upgrade
[04:17] <BFTD> where'd he go?
[05:17] <Soccer5555> how i have opened orage, a callender thingy, and it keeps opening up on start up
[05:17] <Soccer5555> how do i not have it start up
[06:50] <Darkkish> how do i mount a drive in live CD?
[06:59] <posingaspopular> i think its /mnt
[07:01] <Darkkish> mount /dev/<dev> /mnt/<dir>
[07:01] <Darkkish> something like that
[07:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Where <dev> is the device node for the drive and <dir> is an empty directory, yeah.
[12:59] <RememberPOL> Hey, how can I specify non-accelerated mouse speed? (sensitivity)
[02:03] <lawlitech> Hi, I've just installed the alternate cd Xubuntu for PowerPC on an old G4 400(PCI). Everything seems to be working but the screen resolution is incorrect and will only allow resolutions higher than 800x600, when I know the graphics card allows resolutions up to 1600x1200. The monitor is a Daewoo 431X which I've used higher resolutions on before. I've tried adding the resoution I want to xorg.conf but it hasn't helped, what el
[02:04] <lawlitech> sorry that should be up to 800x600.
[02:12] <grazie> !xorg | lawlitech
[02:12] <ubotu> lawlitech: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:13] <lawlitech> ok thanks
[02:13] <grazie> np
[02:13] <lawlitech> can i get some games to put on this as well?
[02:14] <lawlitech> i'm fairly new to the ubuntu family
[02:15] <lawlitech> i miss my mahjong
[02:15] <grazie> lawlitech: I suppose...I'm not into games...you'll not be able to play 3d video games though
[02:16] <grazie> lawlitech: use synaptix to search for mahlong
[02:16] <lawlitech> ok thanks
[02:16] <grazie> synaptic*
[02:16] <lawlitech> i'll have to get it online as it's stand alone at the moment
[02:30] <Carcenomy> Good evening everyone
[02:33] <Carcenomy> I was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers on making adjustments to Xubuntu Dapper...
[02:37] <Carcenomy> hmm, apparently not. Never to mind, thanks anyways.
[03:29] <nyu2> Is xfce 4.4 in xubuntu yet?  If so, is it only in experimental, and not unstable?
[03:32] <gpocentek> it's in unstable (we don't have experimental)
[03:32] <gpocentek> unsatble = feisty
[03:34] <nyu2> Oh.  Ok.
[03:34] <nyu2> So to install it, I would apt-get install xfce4 -t feisty?
[03:35] <nyu2> I'm reasonably sure that I'm using edgy right now.
[03:39] <pansen> hi i have problem to access programs today. an example: it takes 2 minutes to start thunar. when i start thunar as root it starts instantly
[03:39] <pansen> can anyone help me
[03:41] <nyu2> Check in 'top'.  How much memory is 'xfce4-menu-plug' using?
[03:43] <pansen> there is no process called xfce4-menu-plug
[03:43] <pansen> i dont thin it is a xfce specific problem when i want to choose a theme for sylpheed for example it takes also 2 minutes
[03:44] <nyu2> You're not using xfce?
[03:44] <pansen> yes xfce
[03:47] <nyu2> Sorry.  Someone else will have to help you.
[03:47] <pansen> k
[04:12] <wes_1977> what is the proper way to upgrade from herd 3 to herd 4?
[04:13] <wes_1977> does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do it?
[05:31] <jpc> Hi.
[06:31] <frankabel> why "Settings->Display Settings" don't show me 1024x768 resolution even is the resolution that I have configure?
[06:34] <grazie> frankabel: have you restarted X? Did you make the settings manually?
[06:36] <frankabel> nop
[06:36] <frankabel> grazie: I just install and when go to "Settings->Display Settings" not see the resolution 1024x768
[06:37] <grazie> frankabel: how did you configure?
[06:37] <frankabel> grazie:I install two months ago.. but I never had change the configuration
[06:38] <frankabel> grazie: I don't remember how I did the configuration
[06:38] <frankabel> grazie: but I'm sure that was in the instalation
[06:39] <frankabel> grazie:I mean... I haven't touched anything related to the X configuration
[06:39] <frankabel> grazie: do you see 1024x768 resolution on your machine?
[06:40] <frankabel> grazie: Thanks anyway
[06:40] <grazie> frankabel: I have higher resolution. if you're system supports 1024x786 you're going to have to configure it
[06:41] <grazie> frankabel: the following is a good gude to configuring xorf
[06:41] <grazie> !xorg | frankabel
[06:41] <ubotu> frankabel: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:50] <frankabel> grazie: Thanks again... but I just want to know what I can do to show all reselutions available in my system on "Display Setting" GUI app
[06:51] <frankabel> grazie: as I say before I already have 1024x768
[06:51] <frankabel> grazie: I mean... that is my current configuration... but it don't appear as a option in the "Display Setting" GUI app
[06:53] <grazie> frankabel: if 1024x768 is not in "Display Settings" it has not been configured...I cannot tell you why
[06:54] <grazie> frankabel: the easiest way to configure xorg is by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:55] <grazie> frankabel: you  have to some knowledge of you graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc
[06:56] <frankabel> grazie: ok, thanks
[06:57] <grazie> np
[07:15] <Odd_Bloke> Hi guys, will I regret trying to use the testing system on amd64?
[07:25] <jhford> i was just wondering if anyone could point me to where the config files for font sizes are?
[07:25] <maxamillion> !fonts
[07:25] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[07:25] <maxamillion> hmmm....
[07:26] <maxamillion> !fontsize
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fontsize - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <maxamillion> jhford: apparently our all knowing bot doesn't know .... i would say check ubuntuforums.org, ubuntuguide.org, or http://wiki.ubuntu.com and search each one respectively
[07:26] <jhford> thanks
[07:26] <jhford> where are the general config files for xfce?
[07:27] <maxamillion> jhford: /home/<username>/.xfce
[07:27] <maxamillion> jhford: wait ... i lied
[07:27] <jhford> no go
[07:27] <jhford> hah, ok
[07:28] <jhford> i have been a long time gnome/kde user and just making the switch to XFCE has been nice so far, except for configutation seems to be very blackboxish
[07:28] <maxamillion> jhford: really? ... you not played with the settings manager?
[07:29] <maxamillion> actually ... i have to run ... very sorry
[07:29] <jhford> it has only one font setting,
[09:23] <cubdukat> Good afternoon, all.
[09:25] <cubdukat> If I were looking to undo a mistake I made with icons in XFCe that's keeping me from booting into it, where would I look?
[09:27] <hellcattrav> hey all
[09:27] <hellcattrav> whats the difference between xubuntu and kubuntu
[09:27] <Odd_Bloke> The desktop environment used.
[09:27] <posingaspopular> hellcattrav: xubuntu is based on xfce and kubuntu on KDE
[09:30] <grazie> cubdukat: what mistake have you made?
[09:30] <hellcattrav> im currently running kubuntu, but a classmate suggest xubuntu, and npw im trying to compare
[09:30] <posingaspopular> hellcattrav: ah why did they suggest xubuntu over kubuntu?
[09:31] <hellcattrav> he said xubuntu is faster and more lightweight, i guess it works better on laptops?
[09:32] <cubdukat> The other day, I was having problems making the taskbars appear, but I was told to type xfce4-panel, which got them back.
[09:32] <posingaspopular> hellcattrav: well it requires less resources yea, mostly its suggested for lower end and older computers
[09:32] <grazie> cubdukat: this no longer works?
[09:32] <cubdukat> While I was looking for the place to make that change permanent, I accidentally selected an icon theme that no longer exists.
[09:33] <hellcattrav> well ive a new laptop and kubuntu works fine
[09:33] <cubdukat> yeah, I'm not sure how it stopped working. Suddenly, whenever I booted into Xubuntu, I would get a message "Either --appname or --package arguments are required," but all that appeared on the desktop were the icons.
[09:34] <grazie> cubdukat: how did you select it if longer existed?
[09:34] <cubdukat> i had a Konsole icon on the desktop, so I typed it in from the shell.
[09:36] <grazie> cubdukat: I'm a bit confused...did you edit a config file in the console?
[09:36] <cubdukat> No, I just typed in "xfce4-panel," and it brought back the taskbars.
[09:36] <cubdukat> It's like somehow they got switched off, but I can't figure out what would have done it.
[09:37] <cubdukat> I had the exact same error in Kubuntu, but I fixed that by uninstalling it, deleting the .kde folder and reinstalling it.
[09:39] <grazie> cubdukat: you can restore xfce settings by using a default xfce system file....I can't remember one(s) at the moment
[09:40] <grazie> s/one(s)/which one(s)/
[09:40] <cubdukat> Would uninstalling and reinstalling xubuntu-desktop and doing something similar to deleting .kde work, and if so, what would that folder be?
[09:41] <cubdukat> I looked and there's no .xcfe folder, either in root or in my own directory
[09:43] <grazie> cubdukat: no need to uninstall.....but reinstalling will not overwrite your dodgy config...hang on I'll see if I can find something
[09:43] <cubdukat> Thanx.
[09:44] <grazie> cubdukat: Take a look at this >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=323317
[09:46] <cubdukat> Thanx. It's coming up now.
[09:46] <grazie> great!
[09:48] <cubdukat> Done. I'm gonna reset and see if that works.
[09:49] <cubdukat> back in a bit.
[09:52] <cubdukat> back again.
[09:53] <cubdukat> It didn't work, garzie. It just did what it did before--it showed the wallpaper I was using, then it kicked me right back to the login screen for Xubuntu.
[09:53] <cubdukat> Sorry, that should be grazie...
[09:55] <grazie> cubdukat: if you can't login, you've got more than just xfce cofig problems.
[09:57] <cubdukat> That's kinda what I figured. I can get into Kubuntu, Ubuntu and all of my other window managers, but I can't boot into Xubuntu.
[09:58] <grazie> cubdukat: have you got any important data on the xubuntu installation?
[09:58] <grazie> cubdukat: do you share the /home partition bewtween the different distros?
[09:58] <cubdukat> Nope, I could afford to reinstall the entire system. But if I do, I don't think I'll be going back to Edgy.
[09:59] <cubdukat> I never had this many issues with Dapper.
[10:00] <grazie> cubdukat: re-installing would be quicker than figuring out the problem
[10:01] <cubdukat> Yeah, I'm beginning to suspect that.
[10:02] <cubdukat> I just wish I had some way to back up my system after it's reinstalled so that I can fix problems like this.
[10:03] <cubdukat> unfortunately, the laptop it's on doesn't have a burner and it only has USB 1.1.
[10:03] <cubdukat> Not to mention I don't have an external drive to back it up to.
[10:03] <cubdukat> Oh, well. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the help.
[10:25] <Soccer5555> i have done something incredibly
[10:25] <Soccer5555> stupid
[10:25] <Soccer5555> i have accidentely deleted my panels
[10:25] <Soccer5555> how do get them bCK
[10:25] <Soccer5555> back
[10:43] <grazie> Soccer5555: try this ... alt+f2 and enter xfce4-panel
[10:43] <Soccer5555> i have solved the problem
[10:43] <Soccer5555> thanks
[10:43] <grazie> k
[10:44] <leaphisto> anybody using x11vnc?
[10:46] <kumamoto> leaphisto, can I suggest a better vnc like app ?
[10:47] <leaphisto> please do
[10:48] <kumamoto> http://www.nomachine.com/
[10:48] <leaphisto> how do I install it?
[10:49] <kumamoto> it has a debian package for it
[10:49] <leaphisto> okay
[10:49] <kumamoto> http://www.nomachine.com/download.php
[10:49] <leaphisto> yeys.
[10:49] <leaphisto> and it's better?
[10:50] <kumamoto> faster and easier and eliminates most the commandlne commands and if you are using xubuntu it will install it for you both the server and client
[10:50] <leaphisto> okay... :D
[10:50] <leaphisto> sounds rather good
[10:50] <kumamoto> once you install the client you can test here http://www.nomachine.com/testdrive.php
[10:51] <leaphisto> ummm... there's a slight problem
[10:51] <frojnd> any good GUI torrent client?
[10:51] <leaphisto> i need a client for windows machine
[10:51] <kumamoto> once I got it installed i got rid of vnc
[10:51] <kumamoto> it has one
[10:51] <leaphisto> frojnd: azureus?
[10:51] <frojnd> and not java
[10:51] <leaphisto> okay..
[10:51] <kumamoto> you can install the server on your xubuntu box and client in windows
[10:51] <leaphisto> why GUI?
[10:52] <leaphisto> good good :D
[10:52] <frojnd> couse it's easy to use
[10:52] <frojnd> :)
[10:52] <leaphisto> try rtorrent
[10:52] <leaphisto> and find out it's goddamn intuitive
[10:52] <frojnd> ok I've installed it
[10:52] <leaphisto> and you won't touch GUIs ever again
[10:52] <frojnd> how can I run it
[10:53] <leaphisto> go command line rtorrent.
[10:53] <leaphisto> but it's not GUI
[10:53] <leaphisto> it's just goddamn good
[10:53] <frojnd> ok
[10:53] <frojnd> I did: rtorrent
[10:53] <leaphisto> and then happened what?
[10:53] <frojnd> [View: main] 
[10:53] <leaphisto> yes.
[10:53] <frojnd> and than black
[10:53] <frojnd> and at the and
[10:54] <leaphisto> now press backspace to open any torrent
[10:54] <leaphisto> just type the torrents filename and press enter
[10:54] <frojnd> it's now like: >
[10:54] <leaphisto> yes
[10:54] <leaphisto> if you press tab you can see the files available
[10:55] <frojnd> oh
[10:55] <frojnd> I see desktop
[10:55] <leaphisto> yeah
[10:55] <leaphisto> where do you have the .torrent?
[10:55] <frojnd> in desktop
[10:55] <frojnd> :)
[10:55] <leaphisto> sweet :(
[10:55] <leaphisto> :(=78l9j
[10:55] <leaphisto> :)
[10:55] <frojnd> haha
[10:55] <leaphisto> f*ckd up.
[10:56] <frojnd> I allwasy delete tham after I run ir
[10:56] <frojnd> it*
[10:56] <frojnd> so,... how can I open it
[10:56] <frojnd> type dsktop?
[10:56] <frojnd> nop..
[10:56] <grazie> frojnd: in case yoiu don't like rtorrent....ok guis are transmission + deluge (not in repos)... a gui but under wine is utorrent of course
[10:56] <frojnd> now that I am on half way..
[10:56] <frojnd> I wanna learn rtorrent
[10:56] <frojnd> :)
[10:57] <leaphisto> okay
[10:57] <frojnd> backspace
[10:57] <leaphisto> so you type the name of the .torrent
[10:57] <yaccin> does beryl work ok with xfce?
[10:57] <kumamoto> gnome has it own bittorrent client
[10:57] <kumamoto> it is called Bittornado
[10:57] <frojnd> yeah I wrote
[10:57] <grazie> yaccin: it supposed to work just fine
[10:57] <frojnd> but somehow It could't opened it
[10:58] <yaccin> grazie: thanks :)
[10:58] <frojnd> maybe couse I am not in "Desktop" but in /home/user ?
[10:58] <leaphisto> frojnd: exactly.
[10:58] <grazie> yaccin: can be awkward to set though I believe
[10:59] <frojnd> leaphisto: but how can I go to Desktop ?
[10:59] <yaccin> grazie: hmmm im kinda expierienced with beryl now, so shouldnt be a problem ^^
[10:59] <grazie> yaccin: great
[10:59] <yaccin> but svn is broken atm, so doesnt matter now :D
[11:00] <leaphisto> frojnd: just type /home/user/Desktop/XXX_Granny_Porn_with_Cows.torrent
[11:00] <leaphisto> or whatever you download
[11:01] <grazie> leaphisto: hey can you me send that torrent! :)
[11:01] <leaphisto> grazie: no, my grandma doesn't like me spreading that video.
[11:01] <leaphisto> though it's good.
[11:01] <yaccin> lol
[11:01] <grazie> :(
[11:01] <leaphisto> damn good
[11:02] <leaphisto> almost as good as a cocktail of urine and gasoline.
[11:02] <aztun> hi
[11:02] <leaphisto> kumamoto: i did dpkg -i nxserver.blaablaa.deb but it bugs about some dependencies
[11:02] <leaphisto> what 2 doo?
[11:03] <frojnd> wohoo I am downlaoding :)
[11:03] <frojnd> oading ::P
[11:03] <kumamoto> are you accessible to your xubuntu box
[11:05] <frojnd> oh, how can I see what port do I use?
[11:05] <frojnd> leaphisto: have time to explain this?
[11:06] <aztun> anyone installed xfce4 on kubuntu without using "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"??
[11:06] <aztun> I want xfce but not xubuntu boot image or gdm
[11:10] <leaphisto> frojnd: that's too hardcore for me
[11:10] <leaphisto> kumamoto: of course i am
[11:10] <leaphisto> or do you mean like to the desktop?
[11:11] <yaccin> is there something like xfce based on qt?
[11:12] <yaccin> (not kde :P)
[11:13] <kumamoto> ok ok thought maybe you were remotely logged into your box
[11:13] <kumamoto> I think it is better you install it using the dpkg gui
[11:14] <leaphisto> umm, yes i am remotely logged to my box...
[11:15] <kumamoto> brb
[11:15] <leaphisto> isn't there a way to do it with dpkg
[11:19] <grazie> leaphisto: do you know if you can stop and restart up/downloads with rtorrent?
[11:20] <leaphisto> yes
[11:20] <leaphisto> ctrl+d stops
[11:20] <leaphisto> ctrl+s restarts
[11:20] <grazie> and thats after a reboot or whatever?
[11:22] <leaphisto> oh. then no
[11:22] <leaphisto> just open the torrent again
[11:23] <leaphisto> it checks the hash and then decides that "yes, we downloaded this a bit before. Let's continue!"
[11:23] <grazie> leaphisto: and that's quite reliable
[11:25] <leaphisto> well, hasn't crashed on me yet.
[11:25] <leaphisto> and i've downloaded a bit with that thing
[11:25] <grazie> leaphisto: great thanks
[11:27] <leaphisto> grazie: no probs
[11:37] <leaphisto> is there something like aptitude for dpkg
[11:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In what way?
[11:39] <leaphisto> so that package dependencies would be automatically fetched from apt-sources
[11:40] <leaphisto> just some program that can do that would be freakin' sweet
[11:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's what aptitude and apt-get do.
[11:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (Unless I'm missing something from your description...)
[11:41] <leaphisto> okay...
[11:41] <leaphisto> then how do i install a .deb package through aptitude
[11:41] <leaphisto> the point is:
[11:42] <leaphisto> i type "dpkg -i somefreakinsoftware.deb"
[11:42] <leaphisto> it bugs me about dependencies that don't match
[11:42] <leaphisto> it stops installing
[11:42] <leaphisto> then i go and download the package it needs
[11:43] <leaphisto> it bugs me about another dependency
[11:43] <Odd_Bloke> leaphisto: This is what apt-get does. It doesn't work with all .debs because that is decidedly non-trivial.
[11:43] <leaphisto> okay.
[11:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> In your example, `somefreakinsoftware` isn't in the repo, but the dependency is?
[11:44] <leaphisto> well, yes.
[11:44] <leaphisto> the second dependency isn't
[11:44] <leaphisto> but the first dependency is
[11:44] <grazie> leaphisto: if you install .debs outsite the package manager, you just have to take responsibiliy for the dependencies
[11:46] <leaphisto> okay.
[11:46] <leaphisto> so i just gotta download every single dependency i need?
[11:47] <grazie> always check the repos first, but if they're not there yes
[11:48] <grazie> there shouldn't be too many that aren't...that's what's great about debian/ubuntu
[11:48] <leaphisto> okay.
[11:50] <soccer5555> ok ive basically gotten all the links on the task bar that i want
[11:50] <soccer5555> but i want to move them
[11:50] <soccer5555> ive tried the move icon
[11:51] <soccer5555> but when i place it in the place i want and left click
[11:51] <soccer5555> it just goes back
[11:54] <yaccin> where is the xfce-session saved?
[11:54] <yaccin> theres nothing like ~/.xfce
[11:54] <soccer5555> im not sure
[11:54] <soccer5555> but i was successful in moving the workspaces
[11:54] <soccer5555> but not this icon
[11:54] <soccer5555> its annoying the heck out of me
[11:56] <grazie> yaccin: ~/.config/xfce4-session
[11:57] <yaccin> thx ill try it
[12:27] <aztun> hi
[12:27] <aztun> which is the best image viewer for xfce?
[12:27] <aztun> and irc client and text editor?