[01:00] <a5benwillis> !seen ogra
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[05:25] <ToddEDM> hey guys, first time on Edubuntu....
[05:25] <ToddEDM> so far so good
[05:26] <ToddEDM> what are the differences between this and regular Ubuntu, just the software packages?
[05:26] <ToddEDM> and skin
[05:30] <LaserJock> well, kinda
[05:30] <edubuntugirl> LaserJock: by the way, highvoltage told me to tell you 'http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/26/solid-state-laser-sustains-67-kilowatts-approaching-battlefield/' 13 hours, 39 minutes and 33 seconds ago (on Mon Feb 26 16:50:33 2007)
[05:30] <LaserJock> there is some package difference that are pretty significant
[05:30] <ToddEDM> oh
[05:31] <LaserJock> Edubuntu includes an LTSP server and educational software
[05:31] <LaserJock> but they are both Gnome based and come from the same software repositories
[05:31] <ToddEDM> im trying to install it on a separate partition on my HDD, no luck, it keeps freezing
[05:35] <LaserJock> how much ram do you have?
[05:37] <ToddEDM> 512
[05:37] <ToddEDM> sorry, 1 gog
[05:37] <ToddEDM> gig
[05:37] <ToddEDM> amd turion 64 x2
[05:38] <ToddEDM> i think i might download the latest version, and burn it again
[05:39] <bimberi> There might be a "check the cd for defects" boot option
[05:42] <ToddEDM> lol i did that, but i was too impatient
[05:42] <ToddEDM> it is the AMD64 one i got, i might get the regular iso
[05:44] <bimberi> hehe (impatient)
[05:44] <ToddEDM> it seemed to be taking too long
[05:44] <ToddEDM> i think i was laying in bed too, so i was tired
[05:45] <bimberi> yes, i don't think i've ever let it run fully either :)
[05:48] <ToddEDM> i dont need to have an active internet connection while installing do i ?
[05:49] <bimberi> no
[05:50] <bimberi> if you do I think it will load updated packages during the install (not certain though)
[06:34] <ToddEDM> i got it installed
[06:34] <ToddEDM> :D
[06:34] <LaserJock> awesome
[06:34] <ToddEDM> ubuntu, not edubuntu, but its all good
[06:34] <ToddEDM> yeah, i just left the computer alone, didnt touch it, lol
[06:35] <ToddEDM> not i need to load up on some free software
[11:16] <TeePOG> hi everyone
[11:46] <willvdl> Nik0, please turn off your away notification
[12:08] <bimberi> shenki: /win 11
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[01:15] <constant_> mmm pete is not online...
[01:18] <constant_> anyone know when pete usually comes on?
[01:19] <constant_> ?
[03:48] <cliebow> anyonr remember the awesome rpm site..senior moment..
[03:49] <sbalneav> rpmfind.net?
[03:49] <rockprincess> hello :)
[03:50] <sbalneav> Hiya
[03:52] <rockprincess> the edubuntu network at my school is almost up and running....yesterday juliux connected the server pc to one of the clients.....but today i tried to boot all clients over the network and only got the PXE-E51 Error "NO DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were received."
[03:54] <bddebian> heya
[03:55] <rockprincess> heya bddebian :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Hello Princess :)
[03:55] <RichEd> hi sbalneav , rockprincess
[03:56] <rockprincess> hello RichEd!
[03:56] <RichEd> sbalneav: would you have a quick moment to give rockprincess a pointer on her question / issue above ?
[03:59] <rockprincess> hmmmm
[03:59] <sbalneav> rockprincess: OK, maybe you could tell us a bit about the network.
[03:59] <sbalneav> Do you have 1 network card in the server, or two?
[04:00] <rockprincess> sbalneav: two network cards in the server, one is connected to the dhcp server and the other ones has a static ip address
[04:02] <ogra> rockprincess, put the output of ipconfig -a and your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[04:02] <sbalneav> ok, so one of the interfaces (I'm assuming the backbone) is obtaining an IP address via dhcp.  The other one has a static address.  I'm assuming that network card's connected to a switch, where the terminals hang off of, yes?
[04:02] <ogra> that would be the default setup ...
[04:02] <rockprincess> do I have to type sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart everytime I boot the thinclients over my server?
[04:02] <ogra> no
[04:04] <rockprincess> ogra: ok, I'll do that tomorrow, because I'm not at the school right now, and i can't connect to the irc servers in the school, i think the firewalls are blocking them....
[04:04] <RichEd> thanks sbalneav & ogra : rockprincess is doing a project on edubuntu at the uni and it may influence adoption and attitudes
[04:04] <sbalneav> rockprincess: Was I correct with the way you've got the network layed out?
[04:05] <rockprincess> sbalneav: yeah you were absolutely right!
[04:06] <sbalneav> ok, what's the IP address of the static interface?  192.168.0.254?
[04:06] <rockprincess> sbalneav: yesterday juliux managed to boot one client over the network, so it all worked and i didn't change the setup at all....
[04:07] <rockprincess> sbalneav: I'm not sure, but I will take notes properly tomorrow....
[04:08] <rockprincess> the problem is just that I cannot log onto irc from school to ask for advice.....
[04:08] <rockprincess> I could only send my problems to the mailing list....
[04:16] <RichEd> rockprincess: look somewhere for a web based IRC service ... that will help you get outside the firewall on the usual allowed http ports
[04:16] <a5benwillis> !seen ogra
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[04:19] <rockprincess> RichEd: i searched for them this morning, but these web based IRC clients only seem to offer other servers but not irc.ubuntu.com....
[04:21] <RichEd> rockprincess: you need freenode.net ... and then join #ubuntu
[04:21] <RichEd> or even #edubuntu ;)
[04:21] <rockprincess> ok
[04:32] <ogra> a5benwillis, pong
[04:33] <a5benwillis> ogra: Good morning sir. I just wanted to tell you that the NCP authentication with LTSP5(edubuntu) hasnt gone well at all.
[04:33] <ogra> hmm
[04:33] <a5benwillis> Im looking at the pam_ncp_auth.so source now to see if any changes might help.
[04:33] <ogra> where did it fail ?
[04:34] <a5benwillis> Some of themodules functions dontplay well with SSH
[04:34] <a5benwillis> Ifyou have time I can go throughthe whole process? If not I can another time?
[04:36] <ogra> no, i'm preparing a milestone CD atm ... did you try to switch off privilege separation in ssh ?
[04:36] <a5benwillis> Yes
[04:36] <a5benwillis> Maybe we can talk about it another day. It was quite an ordeal. Im tryig to switch itto xdmcp now.
[04:36] <a5benwillis> But a learning experience for sure . :-)
[05:20] <cbx33> ping ogra
[05:34] <a5benwillis> Anone have an easy fixfor the grun error 18 problem?
[05:36] <a5benwillis> grub error 18
[05:45] <Petaris> Hello
[05:47] <Petaris> ogra: I have tried that how-to on LDAP auth that you pointed me to several times all on clean installs but every time the machine becomes un-bootable.  Even to recovery mode.
[05:48] <Petaris> But I don't think it is a authentication issue as it doesn't even get that far
[05:48] <Petaris> for recovery mode it dies after finishing /scripts/init-bottom
[05:49] <Petaris> I can't see what it dies on in normal mode
[05:49] <Petaris> any thoughts?
[05:49] <Petaris> oh, and this is 6.10 LTSP install
[05:50] <Petaris> I can only imagine that PAM has something to do with it as that is where the changes lie
[05:56] <sbalneav> Petaris: What is it you're trying to do with LDAP?
[05:57] <sbalneav> We use OpenLDAP here for authentication.
[06:03] <Petaris> sbalneav: I am trying to get the LTSP server to authenticate via OpenLDAP/OpenDirectory on an OS X server
[06:07] <Petaris> hrm
[06:07] <Petaris> apparently recovery mode isn't dead
[06:07] <Petaris> just being very slow all of the sudden
[06:08] <Petaris> now its to starting networking...
[06:09] <cliebow> that sparc install is exlcusively server..will ubuntu-desktop go on there ok?
[06:27] <Petaris> ahh
[06:27] <Petaris> finally a clue
[06:28] <Petaris> it looks like it has a incorect LDAP server ip address somewhere
[06:28] <Petaris> its looking at 127.0.0.1 instead of the real server
[06:28] <Petaris> still it should just move on to local authentication I would think
[06:28] <ogra> you nee a proper fallback to local accounts
[06:29] <ogra> what were the changes to your nsswitch.conf ?
[06:29] <ogra> if you get the order wrong, udev doesnt like that
[06:29] <Petaris> passwd: ldap compat
[06:29] <Petaris> group: ldap compat
[06:29] <Petaris> those were the only changes, as per the how-to
[06:29] <ogra> switch the order, that will fix it
[06:30] <Petaris> ahh
[06:30] <Petaris> ok
[06:30] <ogra> passwd:         compat ldap
[06:30] <ogra> group:          compat ldap
[06:30] <Petaris> I will boot a live cd and do so
[06:31] <Petaris> also strange that nss is looking for the ldap server at 127.0.0.1 even though I configured it with the right address
[06:31] <Petaris> though there was some weirdness during install
[06:31] <Petaris> I will try reconfiguring the package
[06:32] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:32] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[06:32] <cbx33> pm
[06:56] <ogra> just try it :)
[06:56] <cliebow> ok..going after it then..hope it has wheels..or even better 4 wheel drive
[06:56] <ogra> do you plan to make an ltsp server out of it ?
[06:56] <cliebow> i'd like to put it in service somehow..
[06:56] <cliebow> i was thinking that
[06:56] <ogra> juliux recently did that ... seems it was fine ...
[06:57] <ogra> you can use the tarball for it ...
[06:57] <cliebow> Cool! just build client on an 86
[06:57] <cliebow> right..
[06:57] <LaserJock_> ogra!
[06:57] <ogra> cliebow, or download my tarball and just unpack it :) its edgy ...
[06:58] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ltsp-tarball-20060211.tgz
[06:58] <LaserJock_> ogra: did you see my comments a long time ago on qcad?
[06:58] <ogra> LaserJock, nope
[06:58] <ogra> any probs with it ?
[06:58] <LaserJock_> ogra: qcad was approved for Main
[06:59] <LaserJock_> but pitti was a little hesitant becuase it doesn't have gettext support
[06:59] <ogra> oh, damned i wish i had known that half n hour ago ...
[06:59] <ogra> i just updated seeds and metapackages
[06:59] <LaserJock_> yeah, I guess I should have emailed you. I haven't seen you on IRC for some time
[07:00] <ogra> hmm, so it has no translations at all ?
[07:00] <LaserJock_> I'm not sure
[07:00] <ogra> i was travelling, came back monday night
[07:01] <cliebow> ogra: that is newe and improved from my own of a few weeks ago?
[07:01] <ogra> cliebow, its a default edgy chroot
[07:01] <ogra> if you already have one it shouldnt differ
[07:01] <cliebow> very good..
[07:03] <ogra> LaserJock, i just tested qcad, it starts a language selector in the beginning and german seems to be fine at least after i selected it
[07:03] <LaserJock_> ah ok
[07:03] <ogra> looks like it had the transalations builtin
[07:04] <LaserJock_> pitti just said that it wouldn't be able to use Rosetta
[07:04] <ogra> right
[07:04] <LaserJock_> so it was up to you whether you wanted it on the CD or not
[07:04] <ogra> thats a bit ugly
[07:04] <LaserJock_> but I had him approve it anyway so if we did want it it's there
[07:05] <ogra> i'll add it with the next -meta change
[07:05] <LaserJock_> I think it's the best CAD program we have
[07:05] <ogra> it's fine for the add-on CD#
[07:05] <LaserJock_> and CAD is very much in demand
[07:05] <ogra> right
[07:05] <ogra> i saldy didnt manage in time to repackage scribus-ng as scribus :(
[07:06] <ogra> else i would have replaced the package in main, DTP is as important as CAD
[07:06] <LaserJock_> I see
[07:06] <LaserJock_> yeah
[07:06] <ogra> cmake is an evil beast i'm not familiar enough with yet
[07:06] <LaserJock_> I'm going to make a push and see if I can't get octave
[07:26] <a5benwillis> Anyone have an easy fix for the grub error 18 problem after install in Vmware???
[07:27] <a5benwillis> Booting up live cd now to see if I marked the wrong partition bootable when I built the system.
[07:59] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock_
[07:59] <LaserJock_> hi Pete
[08:02] <cbx33> howz it going
[08:02] <cbx33> mod_python is installed
[08:03] <LaserJock_> I can't figure out how to use it though
[08:03] <LaserJock_> :(
[08:03] <LaserJock_> I have an example .py but it treats it as plain text
[08:03] <cbx33> hang on I may be able to help you out there
[08:03] <cbx33> did you get my other mesasge
[08:03] <cbx33> guess not
[08:04] <cbx33> I'm gonna copy a folder to your root called python ok?
[08:05] <LaserJock_> k
[08:07] <cbx33> LaserJock_, check it out
[08:10] <cbx33> LaserJock_, pm
[08:44] <sbalneav> ogra: still around?
[08:44] <ogra> yep
[08:45] <sbalneav> Just got suckered^h^h^h^h^h^h^h volunteered into helping a friend of mine set up an Ubuntu installfest for April in Brandon
[08:45] <sbalneav> Is the shipit shipping printed edgy cds, or only dapper?
[08:45] <cbx333> dapper
[08:45] <ogra> dappe
[08:45] <ogra> r
[08:46] <ogra> for LUGS etc there is an option to buy edgy CDs for a small fee iirc
[08:46] <LaserJock_> 1.5 euros /CD 100 minimum
[08:46] <RichEd> cbx333: you been upgraded ... with an extra 3 i see
[08:46] <cbx333> hehe
[08:46] <cbx333> I'm around in my original form too
[08:46] <LaserJock_> 100CD minimum
[08:47] <cbx33> See RichEd
[08:48] <RichEd> later to all people with split personalities / identities
[08:48] <cbx33> RichEd, did you get any info?
[08:48] <RichEd> cbx33: still finalising :)
[08:48] <RichEd> will let you know
[08:48] <cbx33> RichEd, awesome
[08:50] <highvoltage> RichEd, are you there?
[08:51] <cliebow> ogra: you know who installed ubuntu on sparc?
[08:52] <ogra> cliebow, juliux
[08:52] <ogra> not around atm
[08:53] <ogra> cliebow, fabbione used to maintain the port, you might find him in #ubuntu-devel
[08:53] <cliebow>  ok..i got kernel and initrd loaded..and a prompt for filename..havnt a clue what to put there
[08:53] <cliebow> ogra:great
[08:53] <ogra> but he's an early bird and usually on CEST
[08:54] <ogra> so might not be around anymore
[09:23] <bdoin> ogra: I went to the fosdem, I got an edubuntu CD from the ubuntu booth ;)
[09:23] <ogra> nice :)
[09:25] <bdoin> I went to the kde-edu meeting, there was childsplay author, skolelinux, tux4kids
[09:25] <bdoin> http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Fosdem_2007-02
[09:26] <ogra> i would have loved to go and hold a talk, but italy was agreed before
[09:26] <ogra> i hope we'll get some upstreams like kdeedu and moodle to the UES
[09:27] <cbx333> ogra, short meeting ;)
[09:28] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if Carsten (Kalzium dev) would want to go
[09:28] <LaserJock> ogra: have you tried out the add-on CD functionality
[09:29] <ogra> i just moved over the last bits and pieces, no i havent tried it beyond looking that all contents were there
[09:30] <LaserJock> do we need any changes to tasks or anything?
[09:30] <ogra> no
[09:30] <cbx333> ogra, can i ask a quick question?
[09:30] <ogra> g-a-i should care
[09:31] <cbx333> i have an app written in python..was going to try a C port to gain more knowledge.....know of a good primer on the net?
[09:31] <ogra> LaserJock, all apps should have a .desktop file in the g-a-i data directory on the CD ...
[09:31] <bdoin> what is UES ?
[09:32] <LaserJock> ogra: do we need to do that or is that automatic?
[09:32] <ogra> the edubuntu conference
[09:32] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla
[09:32] <ogra> LaserJock, the packages need to have it
[09:32] <LaserJock> ahh
[09:32] <ogra> mvo knows about automatisms
[09:33] <LaserJock> k, maybe I'll try to poke him about it
[09:33] <ogra> i think there are some hacks in LP so that existing .desktop files are grabbed
[09:33] <LaserJock> just so I know how it's done and make sure the 2nd CD apps have everything they need
[09:33] <ogra> or in app-install-data
[09:34] <ogra> cbx333, not really ... Cis the only thing i really learned from books ...
[09:34] <cbx333> ogra, heh, guess I'd better hit the books then
[09:34] <cbx333> Thinking then I can help out in even more ways
[09:35] <LaserJock> cbx33: I've been learning C++ with gchemutils
[09:35] <cbx33> yeh
[09:35] <cbx33> i remember
[09:35] <LaserJock> it's a good excercise
[09:35] <cbx33> i know
[09:35] <cbx33> so I'm gonna port phimage to C
[09:36] <cbx33> which it will benefit from
[09:36] <ogra> C is not the problem ... automake and friends are :P
[09:36] <cbx33> ogra, don;t say that :p
[09:37] <cbx33> but a single C file shouldn't be a problem
[09:37] <cbx33> besides I need experience in packaging compilable packages
[09:37] <cbx33> or more exp should I say
[09:37] <cbx33> people just generally use gedit for C?
[09:38] <cbx33> c/C++ fro ma file creation POV
[09:38] <cbx33> what's the diff?
[09:40] <bdoin> sad, I was not aware of the UES meeting, sounds very interresting
[09:41] <LaserJock> cbx33: the diff between C and C++?
[09:42] <cbx333> yeh
[09:42] <cbx333> ogra, mdz is quick on the old minutes isn't he
[09:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: I *think* it's mostly the object orientedness
[09:43] <ogra> dunno, is he ?
[09:44] <sbalneav> LOL
[09:44] <LaserJock> haha
[09:44] <sbalneav> I meant to type that over here
[09:44] <sbalneav> phhhy
[09:44] <sbalneav> Now I've made an *ss of myself :)
[09:45] <LaserJock> oh, I've seen much worse
[09:45] <LaserJock> not from you of course ;-)
[09:45] <cbx333> from MEEE
[09:46] <sbalneav> Oh, I've made enough of an idiot of myself online to last two lifetimes.
[09:46] <sbalneav> I've just now filled up ubuntu-devel with drivel.
[09:46] <sbalneav> My levity was meant for this channel :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> sbalneav: we understand :)
[09:48] <ajmitch> sbalneav: now, your name is on ubuntu-dev in the proposed members section - were you planning to apply for MOTU?
[09:48] <sbalneav> I am, but I need to get past probably another month of h*ll here at work
[09:48] <ajmitch> ok
[09:48] <ajmitch> the process has changed, etc
[09:48] <ogra> and he needs some more uploads
[09:48] <ajmitch> yep
[09:49] <sbalneav> We went live with a new program at work, and I've not had anywhere near the time I'd like to put in since about mid november.
[09:49] <ajmitch> ogra: we'll just have to follow up on all the proposed members, reminding them of the new process
[09:49] <sbalneav> Things are toning down now, but it's taken a bit.
[09:49] <ogra> sbalneav, nobody had (apparently) feisty looks lie edgy with new ltsp sound and second CD
[09:49] <ogra> *like
[09:50] <sbalneav> I'm now the boss here as well, so in addition to the new program, I've also had personel stuff to deal with.
[09:50] <sbalneav> ogra: hey, the sound alone's a big step forward.
[09:50] <LaserJock> at least there was progress
[09:51] <ogra> yes, but three of 8 specs is extremly lame ...
[09:52] <sbalneav> Most of them were the ldap stuff.  I assume that got deferred?
[09:52] <ogra> feisty was the worst average wrt specs since edubuntu exists ...
[09:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I did worse
[09:52] <ogra> LaserJock, me too ... i wasnt better this release
[09:53] <ogra> sbalneav, yeps, everything depends on ldap ... and ldap has major bugs with ssh as well as i want a better pam plugin handling before even starting to think about the other stuff
[09:54] <sbalneav> ogra: We're shooting for some good news though: jammcq and I are meeting this weekend.  We're going to get the ltsp5 tarballs out, based on the Ubuntu stuff, so that will be a big pr win.
[09:54] <ogra> great
[09:54] <ogra> sabdfl will love you for that
[09:54] <ogra> he was nagging me recently
[09:55] <ogra> after herd5 is out i'll finally bump the ltsp version
[09:55] <sbalneav> We finally just decided that unless we lock ourselves in a room, it will never get done.
[09:55] <sbalneav> So that's what we're doing in Toronto this weekend.
[09:55] <ogra> well, its trivial
[09:55] <ogra> an edgy tarbal exists, just take that one
[09:55] <sbalneav> If you're going to be around, we might ask you some questions.
[09:55] <ogra> all you need is some scripts for the server side
[09:55] <ogra> sure
[09:55] <sbalneav> Nah, I think we're going to use the feisty one.
[09:56] <sbalneav> We want the sexy sexy sound.
[09:56] <ogra> that needs a lot on the server side ...
[09:56] <ogra> gst   pulse plugin, libasound-plugins ...
[09:56] <sbalneav> Just gstreamer, right?
[09:56] <ogra> asoundconf ...
[09:56] <ogra> no
[09:56] <ogra> it emulates an alsa device on top of pulse
[09:57] <sbalneav> right.
[09:57] <ogra> hstreame just uses the alsasink from its autodetection :)
[09:57] <ogra> *gstreamer
[09:58] <ogra> (gst-pulse is needed for the gnome volume control ... not needed if you use alsamixer)
[10:02] <clm> pete here by any chance?
[10:04] <clm> ...
[10:10] <cbx333> pete who?
[10:10] <cbx333> me?
[10:10] <cliebow> ahh: there's Pete
[10:10] <cbx333> what did I do wrong?
[10:10] <cbx333> :p
[10:11] <cliebow> Couldnt figure out who Pete was 'til now 8~)
[10:11] <cbx333> is clm after me?
[10:12] <ogra> ask him :)
[10:12] <cbx333> hey Constant_M are you after me?
[10:13] <Constant_M> are yooooooou pete?
[10:14] <Constant_M> ....
[10:14] <cbx333> I am a pete yes
[10:14] <Constant_M> highvoltage: hey j
[10:14] <cbx333> ogra, you do screensaver stuff right?
[10:14] <ogra> sadly, yes
[10:14] <cbx333> what's the advantage of writing stuff with GLX instead of just GL
[10:15] <cbx333> awww don't say it like that :p
[10:15] <Constant_M> cool cool. jc said id find u here...
[10:15] <ogra> no idea, i only maintain the package
[10:15] <ogra> s
[10:15] <cbx333> awww...dang it ogra :p
[10:15] <cbx333> anyone who would know that you knwo of?
[10:16] <cbx333> Constant_M, what can I do for you
[10:16] <Constant_M> i understand ur goin to go work for Canonical?
[10:16] <cbx333> heheh...um...nope
[10:16] <cbx333> not that I know of
[10:16] <cbx333> I'd like to work for Canonical
[10:17] <Constant_M> u not the school sysadmin guy?
[10:17] <cbx333> I am indeed
[10:17] <cbx333> but I'm not going to work for Canonical, unless you know something I don't :p
[10:17] <ogra> cbx333, https://launchpad.net/~macslow
[10:17] <Constant_M> hehe oh then i prob misunderstood...
[10:17] <Constant_M> but you are leaving your job?
[10:17] <cbx333> I hoping to soon yes
[10:18] <Constant_M> cooooz, im working with jc (well used to,.. he finished 2day...)
[10:18] <cbx333> ahh
[10:19] <Constant_M> and he said ur leavin ur job
[10:19] <Constant_M> and im planning to leave for the UK soon
[10:19] <cbx333> ahhh how soon?
[10:20] <Constant_M> my visa is valid from the 1st of april
[10:20] <Constant_M> I can be in the UK on the 3rd
[10:20] <cbx333> well i don't think I'll have left by then
[10:20] <cbx333> I'm planning to leave by september
[10:20] <Constant_M> mmm crap
[10:21] <Constant_M> well I have a job already if I go
[10:21] <Constant_M> but i would love some kind of IT related job (pref. Linux related)
[10:22] <cbx333> well most of my job is windows
[10:22] <cbx333> but I have a linux desktop
[10:22] <cliebow> me too...oh forgot i already have one...but i watn the BIG bucks
[10:22] <cbx333> and I'm working on getting more linux in there
[10:22] <Constant_M> well the job I'm currently at is the first job I have that I actually work on Linux 24/7
[10:23] <Constant_M> the rest was Windows...
[10:24] <Constant_M> and here and there a mac
[10:26] <Constant_M> cbx333, you dont by any chance know any people in the IT industry over there that can offer me a job?
[10:27] <cbx333> hmm
[10:27] <cbx333> not at the moment
[10:28] <Constant_M> would it be possible for you keep an eye open for something like that? coz it's going to be kinda crappy to go to the UK and work on a farm... :)
[10:29] <cbx333> of course
[10:29] <Constant_M> tnx
[10:29] <cbx333> sorry i couldn't be of more help
[10:29] <Constant_M> it's cool
[10:30] <Constant_M> but im sure we can talk again in september..
[10:30] <Constant_M> hehe
[10:32] <cbx333> thanks ogra
[10:33] <Constant_M> im using GPRS to connect here... the lag is like 5 seconds..
[10:36] <Constant_M> thx for the help, I'll show up again sometime
[10:39] <LaserJock> ogra: so do we have a tool to select "young children, highschool and university" tasks when you load the 2nd CD?
[10:40] <ogra> LaserJock, nope
[10:40] <ogra> we have g-a-i popping up offering you the CD contents for now
[10:40] <LaserJock> so it's just an individual package basis?
[10:40] <ogra> no tasks yet
[10:46] <LaserJock> ogra: do you want to add some sort of task handling for Feisty or leave it as is?
[10:46] <LaserJock> mvo: I think we could do it like this: a) define a new applications.menu in menu-data on the CD that has a "tasks" category (or something like this)
[10:47] <LaserJock> mvo: and then we need to get three desktop files into the dir on the CD that install a collection of packages
[10:47] <LaserJock> [1:41pm]  mvo: but I think it would be better to talk with ogra about this (maybe the three of us + colin)
[10:47] <ogra> that sounds like getting hardly a FF exception
[10:47] <LaserJock> mhm
[10:49] <ogra> i.e. rather like a big change
[11:25] <ogra> :-D
[11:25] <ogra> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/197251
[11:32] <bimberi> wow, very nice
[11:33] <ajmitch> hey bimberi
[11:34] <ajmitch> ogra: good to see some press
[11:34] <bimberi> argh, the link to the NSW Department of Education article 404's :/
[11:34] <ajmitch> article by elkbuntu, too
[11:34] <bimberi> hi ajmitch :)
[11:34] <ajmitch> trailing ) on the url
[11:34] <bimberi> ooh yes, i missed the author!
[11:40] <bimberi> aah yes, thanks ajmitch
[11:41] <LaserJock> I like the comment at the bottom ;-)
[11:42] <ogra> sigh ... they still didnt get it ...
[11:43] <bimberi> I like 'No Hardware left behind'
[12:05] <RichEd> ogra: what did you mean by "sigh ... they still didnt get it "
[12:06] <RichEd> hi bimberi, LaserJock, ajmitch
[12:06] <LaserJock> RichEd: did you read the comment
[12:06] <LaserJock> hi
[12:06] <ogra> RichEd, they say that debian-edu is better because they ship KDE which in turn has Kdeedu
[12:07] <ogra> we ship Kdeedu without KDE ... thats what they still dont get ...
[12:07] <ogra> and it just fires up more flames on the GNOME vs KDE war
[12:07] <RichEd> should I mail melissa to comment as the author ... if we comment, it mght start some flaming
[12:07] <ogra> no, let them advertise if they are happy
[12:08] <RichEd> overall it's a nice article though ... will make some people think and visit i reckon
[12:08] <ogra> yep
[12:08] <ogra> i like it
[12:09] <RichEd> the NSW people may be worth inviting to the summit ... if we can get the right link from melissa
[12:09] <RichEd> i'll google the reference to see if I can find the correct page
[12:10] <ogra> we should also invite someone from the SA government after their announcement last week :)
[12:10] <ogra> *ZS
[12:10] <ogra> err
[12:10] <ogra> *ZA
[12:11] <RichEd> which announcement ?
[12:11] <RichEd> hilton theunissen (inkululeko ex tuxlabs) is trying to bring across some decision making people, and play host to them
[12:12] <ogra> http://www.info.gov.za/speeches/2007/07022211451001.htm
[12:12] <ogra> "Cabinet approved a policy and strategy for the implementation of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) in government. "
[12:12] <ogra> it was even on german newssites
[12:18] <RichEd> loading it now ... but remember policy and strategy is "bush speak" ... i'll wait for action myself