[12:39] <vprints> so no special letter problems?
[12:40] <Riddell> vprints: I've not heard of the problem no
[12:40] <Riddell> that doesn't mean it doesn't happen
[12:51] <vprints> k
[12:52] <vprints> still would like to clarify before filing a report
[12:52] <vprints> anyway
[12:52] <vprints> good night
[02:16] <manchicken> Kopete seems to be going stupid.
[02:16] <manchicken> There we go.
[02:16] <manchicken> Killing and restarting works fine now.
[02:38] <Majost> what does automounting on kubuntu?
[02:41] <yuriy> Majost: what's the problem?
[03:51] <nixternal> anyone have a wired mouse I can use to end it all right now? :)
[03:55] <Majost> yuriy, no problem
[03:55] <Majost> just curious
[04:01] <nixternal> dude, KHelpCenter in KDE4 is going to be solid!
[04:03] <Jucato> nixternal: glad to hear that :)
[04:03] <Jucato> now if only KControl would be rocking too :)
[04:03] <nixternal> me too, that means all of my work here at Kubuntu, will have to be redone once again
[04:03] <Jucato> ooh...
[04:04] <Jucato> well, you have time :D
[04:04] <Jucato> I mean... KDE4 is still so so :D
[04:06] <nixternal> OK, after this week I am going full time KDE4 dev stuff for at least 2 or 3 months
[04:06] <nixternal> helping out with the KDE 4 help stuff
[04:06] <nixternal> heh, helping out with help to help show others how to help themselves to help others
[04:06] <Jucato> O.o
[04:06] <nixternal> hehe
[04:07] <Jucato> good luck! I wish you the best :D
[04:07] <nixternal> I just need to stear clear, as everyone I am working with is using BSD
[04:07] <nixternal> they try daily to make me switch
[04:07] <Jucato> heh yeah PhilRod :D
[04:07] <nixternal> yup
[04:07] <nixternal> haha
[04:07] <nixternal> and others
[04:08] <nixternal> annma uses Edubuntu now I think
[04:08] <Jucato> philrod hasn't tried to make me switch yet. but Sho_ is marketing Gentoo to me at every oppurtunity
[04:08] <Jucato> she still uses a customized/compiled KDE on Mandriva
[04:08] <nixternal> haha, Sho tried the same with me as well
[04:08] <nixternal> heck, everyone in #kde gets the use Gentoo or goto #your_distro
[04:08] <nixternal> haha
[04:08] <Jucato> heheh
[04:08] <Jucato> so you've noticed :D
[04:09] <nixternal> she being annma correct?
[04:09] <nixternal> because you almost just confused the hell out of me I think
[04:09] <Jucato> yep. Anne-Marie
[04:09] <nixternal> ya, she has put me to KOffice2 work already
[04:10] <Jucato> hah! glad I'm not a dev yet :P
[04:10] <Jucato> no one can put me to work except in #kubuntu lol
[04:10] <nixternal> that is nuts, I get it to where I can start going through it, and then boom, it crashes into a downward spiral
[04:10] <nixternal> man, I just figured out/found out that you can make firefox respect the help:/ links like Konqi and KHelpCenter does
[04:11] <Jucato> oh?
[04:11] <Jucato> the Welcome to the wondeful world of Linux Firefox bug?
[04:12] <nixternal> that is gone
[04:12] <Jucato> ah kool
[04:12] <nixternal> we will be using a startpage similar to the other 3 distros
[04:12] <Jucato> hm.. I haven't seen the starting page of those...
[04:12] <nixternal> the issue was with using about-kubuntu for the ff front page
[04:12] <nixternal> one sec, let me see if I built it on the server
[04:13] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/firefox-startpage/
[04:13] <Jucato> btw, how about the indexing bugs in khelpcenter? fixed too?
[04:13] <nixternal> there it is
[04:13] <Jucato> ah kool
[04:13] <Jucato> hm.. ok that was a bit funny...
[04:13] <nixternal> those bugs will always be there until 1) we use something other than htdig
[04:14] <nixternal> 2) we get htdig from Novell since they can index and search w/o issues
[04:14] <nixternal> 3) we end up merging KHelpCenter w/ strigi
[04:14] <nixternal> which is what we are working on now
[04:14] <nixternal> but not for Kubuntu
[04:14] <nixternal> I don't think Riddell really likes the whole mono thing
[04:14] <Jucato> ah.. so basically unless those happen, search in khelpcenter for applications is a bit useles...
[04:14] <Jucato> i mean the Applications index
[04:15] <nixternal> Jucato: yes
[04:15] <Jucato> :(
[04:15] <nixternal> we are the only distro with a broken KHelpCenter
[04:15] <Jucato> ouch...
[04:15] <nixternal> We can grab it from Mepis
[04:15] <nixternal> brb, I am going to make a phone call really quick
[04:15] <Jucato> and help:/ isn't really that easy to use unless you know the pages
[04:15] <Jucato> ok
[04:17] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, it seems that there's an Ubuntu brown background behind the header on that firefox-startpage. it shows up before the header image can load, and there's a 1px gap between the header and the main content, which shows the color brown
[04:22] <yuriy> yay new start page
[04:22] <yuriy> nixternal: not gonna wait for feisty to move on to kde4 stuff? oh, are you moving on after string freeze?
[04:29] <nixternal> Jucato: I see that
[04:29] <nixternal> yuriy: yes
[04:30] <nixternal> not moving on leaving Kubuntu of course, but going to spend some time behind the scenes of the KDE camp for a bit
[04:30] <Jucato> we'll miss you :D
[04:30] <Jucato> er...  :(
[04:31] <yuriy> the more kde4 development the better
[04:31] <nixternal> yup, although my part isn't going to be all that hardcore just yet
[04:31] <Jucato> ugh!! another wake up call to get my act together and start learnign!
[04:31] <Jucato> learning*
[04:31] <Jucato> after lunch :P
[04:32] <nixternal> hehe
[04:32] <yuriy> we're doing the "canonical cover algorithm"
[04:33] <yuriy> i keep thinking hmm Canonical?
[04:33] <nixternal> lol
[04:33] <nixternal> we are covering canonical, unilineal, and some other type of culturalism in Anthropology, and I do the same thing
[04:37] <nixternal> 21:35:56 [     CIA-4]  Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3871 kubuntu/firefox-startpage/kubuntu.css: good eye Jucato, changed the header background color
[04:37] <nixternal> :)
[05:13] <Jucato> nixternal: heh thanks :)
[08:48] <freeflying> Lure: ping
[08:48] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[08:49] <Hobbsee> heya freeflying :)
[08:51] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[08:51] <Jucato> :D
[08:51] <Jucato> I am brought back to life by Hobbsee, goddess of the long pointy stick of doom :D
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:52] <Jucato> hehe
[08:52] <Jucato> brb... I shall return!!
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: wow, i just learnt soemthing else off the ML :P
[09:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what did you learn? :D
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ctrl+f{1,2,3,4}
[09:15] <Jucato> to switch virtual desktops?
[09:16] <Jucato> oh I see :D
[09:16] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+cursor keys works too (I think that's one of the defaults)
[09:33] <_StefanS_> mornings  !
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping ?
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Has the kde4 packages been built for feisty yet ? :D
[09:47] <Lure> freeflying: pong
[09:48] <freeflying> Lure: do you have time for kpowersave-0.7.2?
[09:49] <Lure> freeflying: I tried it just briefly, the issue is that 0.7.x is supposed to be unstable branch
[09:49] <Lure> freeflying: question is do we want it to have it in still
[09:50] <freeflying> Lure: :)
[09:50] <Lure> freeflying: otherwise I am more than happy if you do ;-)
[09:50] <freeflying> ok
[09:50] <Lure> freeflying: personally, I think it makes sense to include it as it works with HAL directly, so using Ubuntu ACPI support
[09:51] <Lure> freeflying: but on the other hand some users may use it because of powersaved which may work for their system (while ubuntu support does not)
[09:52] <freeflying> Lure: in this release dbus was intergrated
[09:52] <Lure> freeflying: yes, it uses dbus/hal directly (no powersaved dependacy)
[09:53] <freeflying> Lure: I see
[09:54] <freeflying> I can't use s2disk with powersaved
[09:57] <Lure> freeflying: I think HAL has full support for uswsusp (s2ram/s2disk) in Feisty, so you should be fine
[09:58] <freeflying> Lure: I'm on feisty already, never can s2disk :)
[10:03] <GNUro> 'lo!
[10:05] <Lure> freeflying: you have uswsusp installed?
[10:06] <freeflying> Lure: yes
[10:06] <_StefanS_> hi Lure
[10:06] <freeflying> Lure: now it's was removed due to dependancy
[10:09] <Lure> hi _StefanS_
[10:09] <Lure> freeflying: what kind of dependancy?
[10:10] <freeflying> Lure: libvolumeid0 (>= 093-0ubuntu9)
[10:14] <mhb> morning
[10:36] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[10:38] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[10:41] <Jucato> ooh
[10:44] <Jucato> Tonio_: sorry to poke you again. since I don't have feisty atm, I don't really know this. but have the Ubuntu-related Konqueror Web Shorcuts been updated in Feisty?
[10:45] <Tonio_> Jucato: not by me
[10:45] <Jucato> ah ok...
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: konq shortcuts got updated, yes
[10:46] <Jucato> Hobbsee: cool. will there be separate shortcuts for help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com? (the feisty ones only had w.u.c.)
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dunno
[10:46] <Hobbsee> dunno what was updated
[10:46] <Jucato> oh ok... guess I'll find out soon...
[11:02] <Riddell> _StefanS_: launchpad and apt will tell you
[11:33] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[12:00] <Hobbsee> does someone know that the feisty keyboard layout is apparently broken?
[12:00] <Riddell> works for me
[12:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in english, or what?
[12:01] <Riddell> british
[12:24] <Hobbsee> !laptop
[12:24] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[01:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works for me too (french layout)
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right
[02:20] <goldenear> Tonio_: I wonder : will feisty include the default folders I show you on my laptop (Music, Documents, Movies, ...) ?
[02:21] <goldenear> I use this little trick every day on my KDE (and many OS X users too) and I find it very useful and user friendly.
[02:45] <kwwii> Riddell: I guess I should add my stuff to the bzr kubuntu-default-settings ?
[02:46] <Riddell> kwwii: yes please, what do you have?
[02:49] <goldenear> Tonio_: are you around ?
[02:55] <freeflying> Lure: uswsusp in ubuntu is quite out-of-date, and also FTBFS
[02:55] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll have an usplash, kdm and ksplash
[02:55] <Riddell> rocking
[02:55] <kwwii> Riddell: basically the same as edgy but I've touched up the logo a bit
[02:55] <Riddell> kwwii: let me know when you've committed and I'll upload
[02:56] <kwwii> Riddell: will do, expect it sometime in the next couple of days
[03:09] <nixternal> moin
[03:11] <Jucato> moin nixternal!
[03:28] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:32] <dinosaur-rus> is there arts plugin for beep-media-player?
[03:54] <bddebian> heya
[04:04] <nixternal> boo
[04:05] <bddebian> heh
[04:25] <mhb> LongPointyStick: I did mention that my layout has broken recently
[04:26] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I find that works a lot of Kopete
[04:26] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: that feature you are requesting is already implemented in Feisty
[04:27] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: where can I enable that?
[04:27] <Jucato> I think it's automatic. debconf stuff, iirc
[04:31] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: but I still don't know what dpkg asked when removing the old kernel... :/
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: so I'm not absolutely sure that my system will load after rebooting..
[04:41] <manchicken> DaSkreech: What?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Lunch done?
[04:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: hm.. 12 hours early, 12 hours late
[04:46] <DaSkreech> manchicken: rebooting kopete
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Well go learn!!
[04:46] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: is that a backlog of replies?
[04:47] <Jucato> you are one weird dude...
[04:47] <larsivi> motu ppl : kvpnc don't work out of the box - something with kdesu
[04:48] <larsivi> (Jucato sent me here :P )
[04:48] <Jucato> I initially sent you to #ubuntu-motu though
[04:48] <larsivi> true
[04:48] <Jucato> it would probably also be nice if you could give more details about the error
[04:48] <larsivi> I will in a second :)
[04:49] <DaSkreech> all the chans have a slew of things to catch up on except #nepomuk-kde :)
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Idle buggers
[04:49] <larsivi> After entering my su password, I get "Fann ikkje kommandoen su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc ."
[04:49] <larsivi> which translated is "Couldn't find command ..."
[04:50] <DaSkreech> nixternal: no jjesse?
[04:57] <dinosaur-rus> larsivi: su-to-root ???
[05:01] <larsivi> dinosaur-rus: I found that somewhat curious too
[05:02] <dinosaur-rus> larsivi: as a temporary workaround, you may create a symlink to sudo
[05:09] <DaSkreech> hunger: Hello
[05:10] <larsivi> hmm, but -X is not an option for sudo ...
[05:12] <hunger> DaSkreech: Hi there!
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Wheeeeee
[07:05] <Riddell> fabo: what happened to ksniffer 2.0?
[07:23] <mhb> I'd certainly go for a "stable" source for libdvdcss packages
[07:23] <mhb> I mean a server you can count on will last and contain the packages you need
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Man I wish that the K-Menu could have profils
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Would so help with having ubuntu installed
[07:31] <Riddell> mhb: that's not really possible
[07:31] <mhb> Riddell: how come? I thought only getting it into the M/R/U/M repositories is not possible
[07:33] <mhb> Riddell: the problem is that the solution described on that page tells you to enable a third-party repository with a whole lot of third-party packages, which is rather dangerous when the only thing you need is one package
[07:34] <mhb> Riddell: I'd vote for a simple third-party repository (something like http://mhb.ath.cx/libdvdcss/ ) that would contain only this package
[07:36] <Riddell> well we can't rely on third party repositories being there indefinately, especially for packages which are illegal in the US and EU
[07:36] <Riddell> I mean, we don't have any choice but to point in those directions, it's just life that eventually they'll go away
[07:38] <mhb> yeah, but we can't do much about the fact that people need these packages
[07:39] <mhb> Riddell: can't we make the third-party repository outside these countries?
[07:39] <mhb> Riddell: I know sooner or later it will be illegal in other ones
[07:40] <Riddell> we can't make third party repositories do anything, that's what makes them third party :)
[07:40] <mhb> Riddell: hmm
[07:41] <Riddell> and servers outside the EU/US get bandwidth problems if we point large numbers of people at them
[07:41] <mhb> Riddell: I don't have many ideas left :o)
[07:43] <mhb> Riddell: I meant "we" as in "some normal folks who incidentally are Kubuntu devs"
[07:43] <larsivi> Hey, would someone mind looking at this and tell me if I need to check anything else before I get any feedback? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/73620  :)
[07:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73620 in kdebase "Sudden crash via QPixmap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[07:43] <Riddell> mhb: the only thing I care about is that it includes correct information for Kubuntu
[07:44] <Riddell> it didn't seem to mention kaffeine when I looked at it
[07:45] <mhb> Riddell: I think the person has complained about the fact that it's hard to find that repository
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: which is what I'm trying to solve :o)
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: yeah, I'll Kubuntuify it in the meantime
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: sorry for bothering you that much :o)
[07:46] <Riddell> no problem, thanks for taking it up
[07:50] <larsivi> and adept tells me installing kdebase-dbg for kde 3.5.6 will break, seems like it depends on the wrong version of libkonq4 (4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1 whereas there is no ~edgy1 behind the one installed)
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Question
[07:52] <Riddell> larsivi: what version of kubuntu?
[07:52] <larsivi> Riddell: Edgy with kde 3.5.6
[07:53] <Riddell> larsivi: what does apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a   say?
[07:54] <Erunno> Hi Mr. Riddel, small question: Are the new "Software Properties" ported over to qt ?
[07:55] <Erunno> *Riddell
[07:56] <larsivi> Riddell: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpf516qg.php
[07:58] <Riddell> Erunno: we now have software-properties-kde yes
[07:59] <Riddell> larsivi: same for libkonq4 ?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Riddell: How does k3b-mp3 get to be housed in universe? Isn't that a multiverse package?
[08:00] <Erunno> Riddell: Another question in case you can spare some time: Shouldn't SSLv2 be disablabled by default ?
[08:00] <Erunno> *disabled
[08:00] <larsivi> Riddell: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpcqqvad.php
[08:01] <nixternal> mhb: poke back
[08:01] <Riddell> DaSkreech: there's no copying restrictions on it
[08:01] <Riddell> Erunno: why?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Ah it doesn't make mp3s
[08:01] <Riddell> larsivi: it seems to have a rouge 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 installed, not sure where that would be from but you probably want to not have it there
[08:02] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it decodes mp3s sure
[08:02] <Erunno> Riddell: I read that it was deemed unsecure. It's not present in Firefox config and turned off in Opera by default.
[08:02] <mhb> nixternal: thanks :o) I actually kind of solved what I needed myself :o) Thanks anyway :o)
[08:02] <Riddell> Erunno: I generally follow the KDE default for stuff like that, they know more than I do
[08:02] <nixternal> mhb: no prob :)
[08:03] <larsivi> Riddell: hmm, how would I go about that?
[08:03] <larsivi> and wouldn't it be rogue instead of rouge ? :P
[08:05] <Riddell> larsivi: wget'ing the real packages and dpkg --install it/them
[08:06] <larsivi> hmm, ok, thanks :)
[08:08] <Riddell> larsivi: it may well affect all the kdebase packages you have
[08:09] <larsivi> Riddell: I'm not aware that I have installed any KDE packages not from either of the repositories in those pastes
[08:11] <Erunno> Riddell: Here's a link from a MSDN blog explaining that SSLv2 transaction can be decrypted.
[08:11] <Erunno> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/10/18/ssl-tls-amp-a-little-activex-how-ie7-strikes-a-balance-between-security-and-compatibility.aspx
[08:13] <larsivi> Riddell: which address would I use to wget the 3.5.6 packages?
[08:15] <Riddell> larsivi: dunno, look on the web server
[08:19] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hows Your inquier work?
[08:19] <nixternal> heh
[08:20] <DaSkreech> nixternal: going well I take it?
[08:20] <nixternal> lol
[08:20] <nixternal> sure deal
[08:21] <nixternal> you are talking about the recent blog post I take it?
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Yup
[08:28] <Erunno> Riddell: Oh, just remembered something: From the screenshots I've seen on the wiki the new software properties have no ok/apply buttons.
[08:29] <Erunno> Riddell: This seems inconsistent to me, most apps in KDE have ok/apply/cancel buttons.
[08:34] <mhb> ErunnoAway: true, it's more gnome-ish in that manner
[08:34] <mhb> Riddell: I'd go for ok/apply, too (it's not hard to code them AFAIK)... but it's not essential
[09:10] <kwwii> Riddell: ping?
[09:10] <kwwii> Riddell: if you are interested, we are having a meeting on oxygen in a bit, one topic is putting them in libs
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Oxygen libs?
[09:15] <Riddell> kwwii: ok, will be back in 15
[09:18] <kwwii> Riddell: great :-)
[09:32] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2.png
[09:34] <DaSkreech> As long as it doesn't bounce :)
[09:38] <gnomefreak> 2 progress bars?
[09:38] <sebas> That's for dualboot machines or dual processors.
[09:38] <sebas> Or dualscreen, maybe.
[09:38] <Erunno> lol
[09:38] <kwwii> lol
[09:39] <kwwii> no, the bottom, black one is the background of the actual progress bar
[09:39] <sebas> I think nobody understood that.
[09:39] <kwwii> the blue on will be shown on top of the black one
[09:40] <kwwii> but you have to make all the parts work with the same 256 color palette ;-)
[09:40] <sebas> kwwii: where's the meeting, by the way?
[09:40] <sebas> And will Wade attend?
[09:40] <sebas> And when exactly?
[09:40] <kwwii> sebas: it is in #oxygen in about 5 min
[09:40] <gnomefreak> kwwii: ah. i did see it like that with ubuntus the other day but i think it was lag causing it so wasnt sure if yours was lagging or not
[09:40] <sebas> Aye
[09:40] <Erunno> Would it be possible to get the option to show the boot output with F2 ?
[09:41] <sebas> Erunno: And hide it by pressing it again
[09:41] <kwwii> Erunno: it would be cool, but I think that the problem is that they reaccess the text after they turn it on-off-on or such
[09:42] <DaSkreech> Can We nothave the blue hardcoded in usplash?
[09:42] <kwwii> DaSkreech: ?
[09:42] <sebas> It is a theme, not hardcoded, right?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> i took off quiet in grub and it came up blue
[09:43] <DaSkreech>  I asked where the blue was coming from and was told it's hard coded
[09:43] <kwwii> freaky
[09:43] <kwwii> never heard of that
[09:43] <kwwii> ahh, you mean grub itself was blue
[09:43] <Erunno> I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble to switch back to the progress bar. I think someone should be able to endure the kernel output until the next reboot ;-)
[09:44] <Erunno> Even he the user hit F2 by accident.
[09:44] <kwwii> yeah, that is what the bootsplash does per default :-)
[09:44] <kwwii> I'll talk to some people and see what the deal is
[09:45] <Erunno> Much appreciated :D
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Erunno: You mean full screen instead of like removing quiet ?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> kwwii: if by the grub you mean the dmesg messages yes
[09:51] <kwwii> yeah, that is from the palette
[09:55] <Erunno> DaSkreech: Sorry, I didn't fully understand the question.
[09:55] <DaSkreech> kwwii: so it can be themed?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> you said press F2
[09:56] <DaSkreech> something you said after that made me think that you wanted either the Redhat style messages or the Term2 messages
[09:56] <kwwii> DaSkreech: I would guess that that can be changed somehow
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Not the ones that you get from taking out quiet from grub
[09:56] <kwwii> DaSkreech: the biggest problem is that there is nobody to ask about this stuff
[09:56] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Yup :_) in code
[09:57] <Erunno> DaSkreech: I haven't used Redhat in a while (FC 2 was my last try) so I'm struggling to see the difference.
[09:57] <Erunno> DaSkreech: Just ignore my, I'll find it out eventually ;-)
[09:57] <Erunno> *me
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Erunno: different between? I gave you three options awhile ago
[09:58] <mhb> kwwii: nice
[09:59] <mhb> kwwii: looking forward to the splash screen & background :o)
[10:00] <Erunno> DaSkreech: I don't understand the difference between "Redhat style messages" and "Term 2 messages". I'll try to learn about the difference to answer your question eventually.
[10:01] <Erunno> DaSkreech: And I don't want to clutter this channel with newbie questions when the answers can be found with Google.
[10:01] <DaSkreech> Erunno: In redhat it shows a window into Term2 but it's much less scary than dropping to a console (Term2) and having messages stream by
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Plus in Redhat in switch back to progress bar :)
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Personally I like having both :)
[10:03] <kwwii> mhb: I hope to have more done soon
[10:03] <mhb> Riddell: sorry about that mail, I didn't know about the issues
[10:03] <Erunno> DaSkreech: Sounds nice (in case I understand it correctly). I just wanted to be able to see the kernel output occasionaly
[10:04] <Erunno> DaSkreech: And yes, I know about dmesg will probably do the same for me :P
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Erunno: yeah I just take out the word quiet in /boot/grub/menu.lst and I get both :)
[10:05] <mhb> kwwii: okay, good to hear
[10:32] <seele> is there something wrong with DCOP?  i just got a series of errors (consecutive popups) on activating a context menu
[10:33] <seele> along with the regular message they said "Lame." "Blame." "Rename." ... what does that mean? (and why is it in an error message?)
[10:35] <mhb> kwwii: somehow I like the ubuntu splash more
[10:36] <mhb> kwwii: especially the logo
[10:36] <kwwii> mhb: yeah, I am still working :-)
[10:38] <mhb> kwwii: okay, just feedbacking you :o)
[10:39] <kwwii> mhb: thanks...I was looking at the first stuff and thinking the same thing
[10:40] <DaSkreech> mhb: strange huh?
[10:41] <mhb> DaSkreech: what is strange?
[10:42] <DaSkreech> That the gnome philosophy is having the system get out of your way for you to do work yet they have this bold stand in your face splash
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Whereas KDE is much more about equal beauty of the system along with functionality and the splash is much more subtle
[10:47] <toma> Riddell: how do i go from a confirmed uvf exception to a sync request?
[10:47] <Riddell> toma: main or universe?
[10:47] <toma> universe
[10:47] <Riddell> toma: add the details to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive I think
[10:48] <toma> oki thnxs
[10:48] <jdong> subscribe or assign? :)
[10:49] <jdong> I just got ratted out for subscribing uvf instead of assigning
[10:49] <Riddell> I've not heard of that
[10:50] <Riddell> who by?
[10:50] <jdong> a_j_m_i_t_c_h
[10:51] <jdong> my UVFe was ignored for a week because I subscribed uvf instead of assigning :)
[10:51] <jdong> lol
[10:51] <jdong> I think it's just everyone's duty here to give me a hard time :)
[10:51] <Riddell> ah, well, he's antipodean
[10:51] <Riddell> ubuntu-archive are wanting subscription last I knew
[10:52] <jdong> yeah, -archive wants subscription
[10:52] <jdong> (at least for backports)
[10:52] <jdong> speaking of which
[10:52] <toma> i assigned it to them, i'm ready to be screamed at ;-)
[11:10] <Lure> toma: you should subscribe ubuntu-archive, otherwise they will not process it
[11:11] <toma> done
[11:11] <toma> thnxs
[11:29] <mhb> good night