[12:40] <jordi> sabdfl: things are quite ok tehse days
[12:41] <jordi> still getting used to the new job and stuff
[12:41] <sabdfl> jordi: cool, nice to see you around
[12:41] <jordi> but I've had two vacation weeks just before joining the new place and last week
[12:41] <jordi> so I can say the last two months have been really good
[12:41] <jordi> Tunisia and Norway
[12:41] <jordi> Tunisia was just incredible
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> Has there been any cool developments in dialect support in Rosetta since I dropped by last (Decemberish)?
[12:42] <jordi> tonyyarusso: I guess not, but you should try to find out from the Rosetta devels, danilo and carlso
[12:42] <jordi> carlos
[12:42] <jordi> can't type, ffs
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> ok
[01:50] <ausimage> Hello, I have a special favor to inquire with you about....
[01:50] <ausimage> I was just approved for membership... my LP username is tjaustinbardo, but I really want ausimage for my @ubuntu address.
[01:51] <sabdfl> is anyone using ausimage as an lp name?
[01:51] <ausimage> hmmm let me check
[01:51] <sabdfl> apparently not
[01:52] <sabdfl> i think then you can rename yourself
[01:52] <spiv> You can rename yourself.
[01:52] <spiv> There's a "change details" link on your user page.
[01:52] <spiv> (at least that's what it's called on the beta UI...)
[01:52] <spiv> It'll take you to https://launchpad.net/~tjaustinbardo/+edit
[01:53] <spiv> You can change the name there.
[01:53] <ausimage> got it thanks :)
[01:54] <ausimage> hmmm do you know if the addie is automatic or do you have to wait?
[01:54] <spiv> I'm not sure, sorry.
[01:54] <ausimage> BTW thanks spiv
[01:55] <ausimage> K just wondering later
[05:04] <BjornT> mdz: html isn't the default content type for bug attachments. do you have any examples of html ones that should be text/plain?
[05:08] <jamesh> mdz/BjornT: Firefox will do content sniffing for text/plain documents, which is worth keeping in mind
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #3786 in malone ""Report a bug" link in report page is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3786
[05:13] <jamesh> BjornT: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/How_Mozilla_determines_MIME_Types#HTTP
[05:16] <BjornT> thanks jamesh. doesn't look like it would sniff it to be text/html, though.
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #28575 in malone ""Report a bug" should not be mixed with bug-specific actions in bug page menu" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28575
[05:24] <encompass_> does launchpad have an rss feed to see newly added projects and other information?
[05:29] <LaserJock> BjornT: is there a rough ETA on bug #79671? I'm not sure how long these things take usually
[05:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79671 in malone "Allow +filebug?tag=... URLs for pre-setting tags" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79671 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[05:31] <BjornT> LaserJock: sorry, can't give you an ETA atm. it's implemented, and i'm going to land it into the mainline as soon as i've fixed some test failures.
[05:32] <BjornT> LaserJock: however, since we're working on the new beta, we don't do regular rollouts as usual, and i think that this feature will go live when the beta goes live.
[05:33] <LaserJock> you mean when 1.0 is released?
[05:36] <BjornT> yeah. the 1.0 is our mainline atm, and it's not trivial to backport that feature to the non-beta branch.
[05:39] <LaserJock> and that'll be out soonish?
[05:42] <BjornT> LaserJock: well, i don't think there's a date set for 1.0 yet, but i'm hoping it won't be too long now. kiko should be able to give you a better answer, though.
[05:43] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88280 in launchpad "Deleted files still rendered with a download icon" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88280
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88282 in launchpad-bazaar "better text formatting for whiteboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88282
[07:17] <LaserJock> would it be possible to have a package whiteboard?
[07:36] <lamont> W: Unable to locate package whiteboard
[07:36] <lamont> (LaserJock: something tells me that's not what you meant)
[07:36] <LaserJock> hehe, no
[07:36] <LaserJock> in LP
[07:37] <LaserJock> each package's +source page have some sort of whiteboard area
[07:37] <lamont> ok.
[07:38] <LaserJock> didn't think it was *that* bad of an idea ;-)
[07:39] <BjornT> LaserJock: what would you use the whiteboard for?
[07:39] <LaserJock> maintainence notes
[07:39] <LaserJock> I've been tossing around the idea of writing it myself for MOTu
[07:40] <LaserJock> but my python isn't that great and it might be useful for more than just the MOTU
[07:41] <LaserJock> the problem, IMO, with MOTU using LP is that for the most part it doesn't really help en masse package maintainence
[07:41] <LaserJock> it's difficult to mine data
[07:41] <LaserJock> and it's difficult to let other people know things about a package
[07:41] <LaserJock> and it's difficult to sort of pull things together into task lists
[07:42] <LaserJock> it's a big task and perhaps would be a corner case for LP, I'm not sure
[07:44] <BjornT> LaserJock: i'm not sure, it sounds like a sane idea. it'd be better to talk to cprov about it, or kiko, since i'm not involved much in that part of launchpad.
[07:45] <BjornT> LaserJock: i think it'd be a good idea to start with filing a bug about it, where you list your use cases. if a simple whiteboard would help, it shouldn't be impossible to add.
[07:45] <LaserJock> I'll have to think about it a bit more
[07:46] <LaserJock> but in principle it'd be a good feature I think
[07:46] <LaserJock> right now we basically do everything through bugs
[07:47] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if a "everything is a bug" model neccessarily is the way to go
[07:52] <BjornT> yeah, it can happen that the bug tracker eventually gets too overloaded and will get harder to user. although i think it's quite good to start with tracking tasks in the bug tracker as an experiment, to see how things work out.
[09:06] <carlos_> morning
[10:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #2181 in rosetta "Rosetta automated e-mail should come from @launchpad.net" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2181
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #44186 in soyuz "language-support-* upload generates rejected mail for old version" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44186
[12:01] <cprov> good morning !
[12:02] <Hobbsee> morning cprov!
[12:03] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi.
[12:03] <sabdfl> moin moin cprov
[12:03] <cprov> sabdfl: moin
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88342 in launchpad "portlets should be expanded by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88342
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87638 in apport "Attempting to upload a crash report, apport failed with "HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error"" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87638
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88353 in launchpad "team name truncated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88353
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88363 in rosetta "Merge wiki page into +about page" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88363
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88398 in launchpad "Not possible to reassign a team when the owner is a proposed member of that team" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88398
[04:48] <gord> hi, Im just wondering if there is any kind of rss feed for the support tickets? would help those of us that like to answer those but have wandering minds that go off and do other stuff by accident ;)
[04:54] <sabdfl> good idea, gord
[04:54] <sabdfl> i don't believe this exists but it would not be hard for us to publish
[04:54] <sabdfl> main issue would be performance, and having some of those cached
[04:57] <gord> well I look forward to it hopefully :) 
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88435 in launchpad "User pages GPG link incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88435
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88436 in malone "assigning bugs to a series" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88436
[07:27] <crimsun> was there a period today when bug reports contained beta.launchpad.net URLs?
[07:27] <crimsun> bug report emails, sorry.
[07:29] <kiko> crimsun, not that I'm aware of -- beta shouldn't send out emails at all
[07:30] <crimsun> kiko: http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[07:31] <kiko> crimsun, that's pretty weird. did you get another copy of that bugmail?
[07:31] <kiko> flacoste_lunch, ping when you're back -- check out crimsun's screenshot.
[07:33] <crimsun> kiko: I didn't receive a duplicate of that one, no
[07:34] <crimsun> kiko: however, when keybuk reassigned that bug to the proper source package, beta.launchpad was not used in the URL of the bug email [notification?] 
[07:34] <kiko> most odd
[07:37] <crimsun> searching through Inbox and Trash, I've over 50 such emails
[07:38] <crimsun> they all appear to be initial bug reports, and the occurrences do not seem to be tied to whether the reporter is a member of the launchpad-beta-testers LP team
[07:39] <kiko> odd.
[07:40] <crimsun> I wouldn't have noticed, but I'm not yet a member of said LP team, so I have to strip the "beta." portion from the URL
[07:40] <kiko> crimsun, why don't you apply to the beta team?
[07:40] <crimsun> I did.
[07:40] <kiko> and you weren't approved? :)
[07:41] <crimsun> not yet, but it shouldn't be tied to whether I'm a member, I'd think
[07:48] <flacoste> kiko: pong
[07:50] <flacoste> kiko: beta does send mail
[07:51] <flacoste> and some bug notifications are sent from the web app (instead of by the bug-mail cron script)
[07:51] <kiko> hmmm 
[07:51] <kiko> how odd.
[07:51] <flacoste> so these will contain beta urls... most notifications from the answer will also have this problem
[08:04] <kiko> flacoste, bummer in particular because recipients may not have beta access.
[08:04] <flacoste> indeed
[08:04] <flacoste> should we use a special canonical_url() wrapper for generating URLs in email?
[08:04] <flacoste> that always return the main site?
[08:05] <kiko> mmmm
[08:05] <kiko> that would be a solutio
[08:05] <kiko> n
[08:05] <flacoste> kind of kludgy though
[08:05] <kiko> but in how many callsites would we have to do that?
[08:05] <flacoste> a lot
[08:05] <flacoste> mostly confined to mailnotificaiton.py though
[08:05] <kiko> that file needs love
[08:05] <kiko> like massive love
[08:06] <kiko> actually, more like an orgy than just plain love :)
[08:06] <flacoste> lol
[08:06] <flacoste> i did heavy surgery on the answer tracker notifications last fall
[08:07] <kiko> the code in that file is pretty scary stuff
[08:07] <flacoste> they are now refactored in a nice OO hierarchy, lot less parameters passing in several functions
[08:09] <kiko> salgado, did you see the email Subject: Re: ubuntu-dev and motu team cleanup
[08:09] <kiko>  ?
[08:09] <newz2000> I just started using beta and can't figure out how to create a new bug... can someone tell me where the link/button to do that is?
[08:10] <newz2000> (not a bug for launchpad, a bug for ubuntu-art)
[08:10] <kiko> newz2000, you need to get to the ubuntu-art product first, so:
[08:10] <kiko> bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu-art
[08:10] <kiko> of course
[08:10] <kiko> you could also search for ubuntu-art from beta.launchpad.net
[08:10] <newz2000> oh, that's my problem
[08:11] <flacoste> newz2000: beta.launchpad.net/+filebug
[08:11] <newz2000> I was on the group, not the product
[08:11] <flacoste> you can select any target there
[08:11] <kiko> there's a team with the same name?
[08:11] <kiko> there's that too
[08:11] <flacoste> newz2000: sorry: https://beta.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[08:11] <newz2000> no, I guess the product is something else, no clue what. :-)
[08:11] <salgado> kiko, I didn't; where is it?
[08:11] <kiko> lol
[08:12] <kiko> salgado, sent directly to you
[08:12] <kiko> From: Mark
[08:16] <salgado> kiko, that extra note sounds like a good idea, but I don't think letting all members expire is a good idea, since there's a bug in the notification of soon-to-expire memberships that would really annoy all these people
[08:16] <kiko> salgado, a bug?
[08:16] <salgado> (and this bug requires a db patch to be fixed)
[08:16] <kiko> salgado, I suggest you reply to that email then. :-)
[08:17] <salgado> the notification is sent daily if the member doesn't do anything about the membership
[08:17] <kiko> salgado, ah! and we have no way of telling whether he's been notified or not.
[08:18] <salgado> exactly
[08:18] <kiko> salgado, well, one easy solution is to notify him once X days before it expires, and then perhaps once again on the day it expires, and that's it.
[08:18] <kiko> where X is a constant
[08:18] <kiko> what do you think?
[08:19] <salgado> in the long term, I don't like it
[08:19] <kiko> salgado, it avoids a DB patch!
[08:19] <salgado> as a quick hack just to fix this issue it's okay, I think
[08:21] <salgado> kiko, the problem with this is that some people may not get notified
[08:21] <kiko> salgado, who?
[08:21] <salgado> that's why I don't think it's a reasonable solution
[08:22] <kiko> who wouldn't get notified?
[08:22] <salgado> anybody who had his membership set to expire less than N days from now, where N is the constant you mentioned
[08:22] <kiko> but I said:
[08:23] <kiko> "and then perhaps once again on the day it expires"
[08:23] <sabdfl> i agree with salgado
[08:23] <sabdfl> the problem here is that, if the script fails to run for any reason, that batch of people miss out on the heads-up
[08:23] <kiko> that's true.
[08:23] <kiko> (and our scripts do tend to fail)
[08:24] <kiko> but there's no other db-embargo avoiding solution.
[08:24] <sabdfl> true
[08:25] <sabdfl> as a first step, n-days before would be fine
[08:25] <sabdfl> just check the date code carefully :-)
[08:25] <sabdfl> kiko: it's getting the UI straightened out nicely, though
[08:26] <kiko> which needs to be done, I agree. but I still hate it. :)
[09:01] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible that the LP downtime cause @ubuntu.com addresses not to work temporarily?  (I seem to be missing a message)
[09:02] <kiko> tonyyarusso, no
[09:02] <kiko> the mapping file is generated periodically -- it's not online
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> kiko: All right, probably a typo then.  Thanks.
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88488 in launchpad "Add note about indirect membership on the expiration warning" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88488
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88496 in rosetta "hotkey-setup package does not update from 0.1-17ubuntu3 to hotkey-setup_0.1-17ubuntu5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88496
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88498 in rosetta "Update-manager does not show up. Ubuntu Feisty." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88498
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88499 in rosetta ""Report a problem..." option under System menu doesn't work. Ubuntu Feisty." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88499
[10:01] <kiko> frigging people stop reporting bugs on us!!!
[10:03] <kiko> LarstiQ, well, in this case it's more that these bugs are NOT ABOUT LAUNCHPAD :)
[10:05] <ajmitch> kiko: isn't it great to see people using launchpad? :)
[10:05] <LarstiQ> oh right :)
[10:05] <ajmitch> it's just so obvious that update-manager not showing is a bug in rosetta
[10:50] <alefteris> could someone please explain to me what "primary product"/"source package includes product" should i choose at Add distribution packaging record? Thanks
[10:53] <kiko> alefteris, if the source package is essentially a package /of that product/ then choose primary product.
[10:53] <kiko> if the source package includes a number of softwares, one of which is that product, choose the latter.
[10:57] <alefteris> thanks kiko 
[10:57] <kiko> most welcome
[11:00] <alefteris> i have notised also that when inserting a nug number that doesnt exist in malone https://bugs.launchpad.net/ the error bubble contains a u'' like: Bug u'1213213311' is not registered.
[11:01] <kiko> alefteris, that would be a bug. where does that happen?
[11:02] <alefteris> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ when inserting a rundoma number at the Jump to bug report
[11:13] <geser> can someplace look at but 88442 and tell my why I can't see ajmitch's +1 in the comments but only in the activity log and crimsun's +1 from the comments is missing in the activity log? 
[11:31] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:31] <flint_dude> hi everyone
[11:32] <ajmitch> good morning mpt 
[11:32] <flint_dude> good evening mpt
[11:33] <flint_dude> I have a bzr error
[11:33] <LarstiQ> flint_dude: better to discuss that in #bzr
[11:33] <flint_dude> ok
[11:34] <flint_dude> thank LarstiQ
[11:34] <matsubara> geser: that's because our not so clever algorithm thought it was a duplicated comment. would you please file a bug on it?
[11:35] <geser> yes, will do
[11:36] <flint_dude> I'll file a bug thanks again 
[11:38] <LarstiQ> ehm, I'm not sure if it's bug worthy :/
[11:45] <mpt> What isn't bug-worthy?
[11:45] <LarstiQ> flint_dude's problem
[11:55] <mpt> which is? :-)
[11:55] <LarstiQ> mpt: that's what I'm not sure about ;)
[11:56] <LarstiQ> last time his install had a mismatched bzr and bzrlib
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88531 in malone "Activity log and bug comments don't match" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88531
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88535 in malone "The link for the OpenPGP key in overview page of a person is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88535