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| BHSPitMonkey | ack | 09:02 |
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| BHSPitMonkey | I hope the "show desktop" icon is fixed in feisty | 09:02 |
| BHSPitMonkey | RE: transparency | 09:03 |
| Madpilot | Edgy's show desktop icon is smaller than Dapper's - just upgraded and noticed that. | 09:03 |
| BHSPitMonkey | it's also not transparent. | 09:03 |
| Madpilot | hadn't noticed that yet. | 09:04 |
| BHSPitMonkey | it actually has that whole gray background drawn onto it. | 09:04 |
| BHSPitMonkey | it's really irritating with transparent panels | 09:04 |
| Madpilot | did notice the round orange file tags in Nautilus - am not impressed. | 09:04 |
| BHSPitMonkey | yeah | 09:04 |
| BHSPitMonkey | you think "oh, okay" until you realize that there's none for what you -want- | 09:05 |
| Madpilot | it's more that they're all the same blasted shape - harder to tell them apart. | 09:05 |
| Madpilot | this was pointed out on the artwork list ages ago, actually. | 09:05 |
| Madpilot | while Edgy was still in beta, AFAIK, but it still released with those round useless icons. | 09:06 |
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| nysosym | hi there :) | 11:30 |
| nysosym | Hi kwwii, do u have improved usplash? :) | 11:32 |
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| nus_iced | hi there! | 05:19 |
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| trurien | anyone know where to get good usplash screens? | 05:23 |
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| fschoep | troy_s: ping | 05:46 |
| troy_s | wow | 05:47 |
| troy_s | it's like magic | 05:47 |
| fschoep | what is? | 05:47 |
| troy_s | your response to email | 05:47 |
| kwwii | howdy guys | 05:50 |
| fschoep | hi ken | 05:51 |
| kwwii | hi frank, how's things? | 05:51 |
| fschoep | well, pretty average and all | 05:51 |
| fschoep | :) | 05:51 |
| fschoep | how are you? | 05:52 |
| kwwii | fschoep: busy like a bee ;-) | 05:52 |
| darkmatter | *yawn* | 05:52 |
| fschoep | great, sitting around idling is no fun either | 05:53 |
| kwwii | that is true | 05:53 |
| fschoep | so, you're now something like AiC for u and ku, right? | 05:54 |
| kwwii | well, funny enough the title went away I guess | 05:54 |
| fschoep | you're just it | 05:55 |
| fschoep | but I mean, that's the idea | 05:55 |
| kwwii | something like that, yeah | 05:55 |
| kwwii | probably the best way to get me to use gnome :-) | 05:55 |
| fschoep | :) | 05:55 |
| kwwii | winning people over one job at a time | 05:55 |
| troy_s | ugh | 05:56 |
| fschoep | it's true though | 05:56 |
| fschoep | "Former Mac OS X addict kwwii switches to Ubuntu." | 05:56 |
| kwwii | I don | 05:56 |
| kwwii | erm | 05:56 |
| kwwii | I don't judge my opensource software by it's toolkit ;-) | 05:56 |
| fschoep | :) | 05:57 |
| darkmatter | kwwii, thats what she said | 05:58 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 05:58 |
| troy_s | uh oh... its the bi curious avatar guy. | 05:58 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, :P | 06:00 |
| darkmatter | quit making fun of sephiroth! | 06:00 |
| troy_s | it is like some strange gay pro wrestler. | 06:00 |
| troy_s | "The Undead Wanna Be Bi Curious Guy" | 06:00 |
| darkmatter | troy_s, say that to his face! | 06:00 |
| troy_s | Wholly cow. This is rather along the lines of "Wilma Flintstone is Hot!" | 06:01 |
| darkmatter | haha | 06:01 |
| kwwii | troy_s: so...in order to start the healing process, think you'd like to give a talk on artwork process with a few others? (irc chat really) | 06:01 |
| kwwii | during the open week thingy | 06:02 |
| troy_s | kwwii Can't, sorry. | 06:02 |
| troy_s | kwwii I have another show starting tomorrow etc. | 06:02 |
| troy_s | kwwii and our maid is coming in etc. | 06:02 |
| kwwii | troy_s: gotcha, maybe next time | 06:02 |
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| fschoep | ;) | 06:02 |
| troy_s | kwwii I think you are the guy to deal with that anyways. | 06:02 |
| kwwii | troy_s: I think it would be done best with people from the community as well | 06:03 |
| troy_s | No, too forced. | 06:03 |
| troy_s | if there is going to be a community, it probably needs to be mustered by folks who believe in the plan. | 06:03 |
| kwwii | otherwise it is me telling people how things are going to be, when a lot of it is still open to discussion | 06:03 |
| troy_s | and can contribute. | 06:03 |
| troy_s | Ultimately, I think the truth is probably the wisest. | 06:04 |
| troy_s | It is, and will be until there is a civil uprising, the way things are. | 06:04 |
| troy_s | kwwii -- 'still open to discussion' -- i think you would need to explain exactly what that is to the folks... | 06:08 |
| kwwii | troy_s: there is still a way for community involvement, but the extent needs to be well defined so that we do not make the same mistakes as last time | 06:09 |
| kwwii | right now, there is no involvement at all, but that fact can change | 06:10 |
| troy_s | well that's just it... i think that is predicated on the notion that the community will _want_ to flesh out sabdfl's ideas. | 06:10 |
| kwwii | the situation is like it is now because both sides reacted | 06:10 |
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| troy_s | as far as i can tell from a brief precursory exploration of the forums (granted not the best evaluation ground) | 06:10 |
| troy_s | it doesn't seem to be the case. | 06:10 |
| troy_s | there were no 'both' sides... | 06:11 |
| troy_s | remember -- prior to edgy there was nothingness. | 06:11 |
| troy_s | a vaccuum | 06:11 |
| troy_s | sabdfl's expectations were simply to get a product out there, and really that was too short term. | 06:11 |
| kwwii | yes, and the mistake with edgy was to let everyone think that they could decide whatever they wanted | 06:11 |
| kwwii | there has to be some form of acceptance | 06:12 |
| kwwii | even in the topic, "redhat gets it right" while the situation there is nothing like that in ubuntu edgy | 06:12 |
| troy_s | actually | 06:14 |
| troy_s | i could care less about who does what | 06:14 |
| troy_s | if the product is a solid cohesive presentation, i'll be pretty happy with it. | 06:14 |
| troy_s | if it communicates | 06:14 |
| troy_s | etc., all is well. | 06:14 |
| troy_s | that said, i _do_ firmly believe that there is strength in numbers and a gathering of heads. | 06:15 |
| troy_s | i have seen it work on so many high level projects that it is simply part of my belief structure. | 06:15 |
| troy_s | and the projects i have seen it work for are worth a helluva lot more than the entire capital involved with ubuntu. | 06:15 |
| kwwii | definitely...if we wanted to have more involvement people would be making themes now which could be presented in the first rounds for feisty+1 | 06:16 |
| kwwii | then make the decision making process really clear | 06:16 |
| kwwii | but anyway...I won't go on and on :-) | 06:18 |
| troy_s | well i personally think that is the only real 'community' element | 06:18 |
| troy_s | make it easier to get their work into the packages... | 06:18 |
| troy_s | that said, sabdfl is a stubborn bugger and from what i can see, things aren't going to change | 06:18 |
| troy_s | i sincerely doubt that he would be able to hire _anyone_ that he didn't know more than. | 06:18 |
| troy_s | and that attitude will severely cripple the body of work in the long term | 06:19 |
| troy_s | which is why 'gets it right' is relevant | 06:19 |
| troy_s | even if you dismiss the work on aesthetic grounds etc... the overarching pattern is solid. | 06:19 |
| troy_s | further still, it stands a very real chance of 'attracting' people because of the design. not creating an overwhelming sense of 'meh'. | 06:19 |
| troy_s | one would hope that a pattern will generate a visceral response -- love it or hate it. the fence is the worst place to sit. | 06:20 |
| troy_s | Anywho... I would suggest you exert your judgement kwwii and rally the community if that is required. If it isn't, just plod along and meet sabdfl's expectations. I got to jet. Send me an email if you get some thoughts on the issues at hand. | 06:24 |
| troy_s | Chat soon my friends. | 06:24 |
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