=== ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@pool-151-201-133-227.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === coz_ [n=coz_@pool-151-201-133-227.pitt.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === msikma [n=Msikma@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@ppp167-251-133.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:02] ack [09:02] I hope the "show desktop" icon is fixed in feisty [09:03] RE: transparency [09:03] Edgy's show desktop icon is smaller than Dapper's - just upgraded and noticed that. [09:03] it's also not transparent. [09:04] hadn't noticed that yet. [09:04] it actually has that whole gray background drawn onto it. [09:04] it's really irritating with transparent panels [09:04] did notice the round orange file tags in Nautilus - am not impressed. [09:04] yeah [09:05] you think "oh, okay" until you realize that there's none for what you -want- [09:05] it's more that they're all the same blasted shape - harder to tell them apart. [09:05] this was pointed out on the artwork list ages ago, actually. [09:06] while Edgy was still in beta, AFAIK, but it still released with those round useless icons. === PseudoPlacebo [n=Placebo@user-0ceveav.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Trae [n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@ppp167-251-133.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B65C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:30] hi there :) [11:32] Hi kwwii, do u have improved usplash? :) === |Element| [n=Element@221.4.137.132] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-64-123-190-79.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h101n1fls31o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7B65C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lizardking_ [n=Miranda@host71-66-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === morgs [n=morgan@dsl-240-67-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@60-242-104-119.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === morgs [n=morgan@dsl-240-67-20.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === nus_iced [n=iced@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:19] hi there! === nus_iced is now known as trurien [05:23] anyone know where to get good usplash screens? === trurien [n=iced@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === fschoep [n=fschoep@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:46] troy_s: ping [05:47] wow [05:47] it's like magic [05:47] what is? [05:47] your response to email [05:50] howdy guys [05:51] hi ken [05:51] hi frank, how's things? [05:51] well, pretty average and all [05:51] :) [05:52] how are you? [05:52] fschoep: busy like a bee ;-) [05:52] *yawn* [05:53] great, sitting around idling is no fun either [05:53] that is true [05:54] so, you're now something like AiC for u and ku, right? [05:54] well, funny enough the title went away I guess [05:55] you're just it [05:55] but I mean, that's the idea [05:55] something like that, yeah [05:55] probably the best way to get me to use gnome :-) [05:55] :) [05:55] winning people over one job at a time [05:56] ugh [05:56] it's true though [05:56] "Former Mac OS X addict kwwii switches to Ubuntu." [05:56] I don [05:56] erm [05:56] I don't judge my opensource software by it's toolkit ;-) [05:57] :) [05:58] kwwii, thats what she said [05:58] ;-) [05:58] uh oh... its the bi curious avatar guy. [06:00] troy_s, :P [06:00] quit making fun of sephiroth! [06:00] it is like some strange gay pro wrestler. [06:00] "The Undead Wanna Be Bi Curious Guy" [06:00] troy_s, say that to his face! [06:01] Wholly cow. This is rather along the lines of "Wilma Flintstone is Hot!" [06:01] haha [06:01] troy_s: so...in order to start the healing process, think you'd like to give a talk on artwork process with a few others? (irc chat really) [06:02] during the open week thingy [06:02] kwwii Can't, sorry. [06:02] kwwii I have another show starting tomorrow etc. [06:02] kwwii and our maid is coming in etc. [06:02] troy_s: gotcha, maybe next time === fschoep hides [06:02] ;) [06:02] kwwii I think you are the guy to deal with that anyways. [06:03] troy_s: I think it would be done best with people from the community as well [06:03] No, too forced. [06:03] if there is going to be a community, it probably needs to be mustered by folks who believe in the plan. [06:03] otherwise it is me telling people how things are going to be, when a lot of it is still open to discussion [06:03] and can contribute. [06:04] Ultimately, I think the truth is probably the wisest. [06:04] It is, and will be until there is a civil uprising, the way things are. [06:08] kwwii -- 'still open to discussion' -- i think you would need to explain exactly what that is to the folks... [06:09] troy_s: there is still a way for community involvement, but the extent needs to be well defined so that we do not make the same mistakes as last time [06:10] right now, there is no involvement at all, but that fact can change [06:10] well that's just it... i think that is predicated on the notion that the community will _want_ to flesh out sabdfl's ideas. [06:10] the situation is like it is now because both sides reacted === darkmatter returns to branching Glory [06:10] as far as i can tell from a brief precursory exploration of the forums (granted not the best evaluation ground) [06:10] it doesn't seem to be the case. [06:11] there were no 'both' sides... [06:11] remember -- prior to edgy there was nothingness. [06:11] a vaccuum [06:11] sabdfl's expectations were simply to get a product out there, and really that was too short term. [06:11] yes, and the mistake with edgy was to let everyone think that they could decide whatever they wanted [06:12] there has to be some form of acceptance [06:12] even in the topic, "redhat gets it right" while the situation there is nothing like that in ubuntu edgy [06:14] actually [06:14] i could care less about who does what [06:14] if the product is a solid cohesive presentation, i'll be pretty happy with it. [06:14] if it communicates [06:14] etc., all is well. [06:15] that said, i _do_ firmly believe that there is strength in numbers and a gathering of heads. [06:15] i have seen it work on so many high level projects that it is simply part of my belief structure. [06:15] and the projects i have seen it work for are worth a helluva lot more than the entire capital involved with ubuntu. [06:16] definitely...if we wanted to have more involvement people would be making themes now which could be presented in the first rounds for feisty+1 [06:16] then make the decision making process really clear [06:18] but anyway...I won't go on and on :-) [06:18] well i personally think that is the only real 'community' element [06:18] make it easier to get their work into the packages... [06:18] that said, sabdfl is a stubborn bugger and from what i can see, things aren't going to change [06:18] i sincerely doubt that he would be able to hire _anyone_ that he didn't know more than. [06:19] and that attitude will severely cripple the body of work in the long term [06:19] which is why 'gets it right' is relevant [06:19] even if you dismiss the work on aesthetic grounds etc... the overarching pattern is solid. [06:19] further still, it stands a very real chance of 'attracting' people because of the design. not creating an overwhelming sense of 'meh'. [06:20] one would hope that a pattern will generate a visceral response -- love it or hate it. the fence is the worst place to sit. [06:24] Anywho... I would suggest you exert your judgement kwwii and rally the community if that is required. If it isn't, just plod along and meet sabdfl's expectations. I got to jet. Send me an email if you get some thoughts on the issues at hand. 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