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| shawarma | stgraber: No problem. I also think they're an important piece of the big easy-networking puzzle. | 12:35 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:02 |
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| Kagou | hi | 07:39 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:41 |
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| dholbach | ogra: new gnome-screensaver for you :) | 07:44 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir, cjwatson_, mdz: can you consider bug 86305 please? | 07:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86305 in gthumb "UVF exception: gthumb 2.9.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86305 | 07:54 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: I pushed a gdm last night, you might want to check that I didn't b0rk the setup.py | 08:08 |
| dholbach | kwwii: alrighty | 08:10 |
| dholbach | kwwii: looks super | 08:12 |
| kwwii | dholbach: great :-) | 08:12 |
| kwwii | now if I could get the session splash to appear for more than 3 seconds I could finish that as well | 08:13 |
| kwwii | dholbach: do you know where the bg color is set? (ie the bg color shown while the session splash is shown)? | 08:13 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: do you have a diffstat? | 08:17 |
| dholbach | kwwii: feisty-wallpapers ubuntu-wallpapers.xml.in | 08:18 |
| kwwii | dholbach: thnx :-) | 08:19 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: attached | 08:20 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: I'm wary of it; it's a large bunch of changes. | 08:20 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: however, bugs like 409799 looks quite scary. | 08:21 |
| dholbach | yeah :-/ | 08:22 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: have you played with it for a bit to see if you can spot any immediate problems? | 08:23 |
| dholbach | i played a bit with 2.9.2 and that was fine, I'll let you know about 2.9.3 once I'm through with the other gnome updates | 08:24 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: thanks. | 08:31 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: what's the status of the RC tarballs from gnome and getting them packaged? | 08:32 |
| dholbach | working hard on it - looks like most of them got rolled over night | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | it was a question, not a nag. :-) | 08:33 |
| dholbach | I understood it as that. :-) | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | good to hear. | 08:34 |
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| pitti | hrmpf #$(*# no X after reboot | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | did you try mv'ing your xorg.conf out of the way? | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | that worked for me today | 08:49 |
| tepsipakki | pitti: I guess it doesn't find all fonts? | 08:51 |
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| fabbione | pitti: Xorg.0.log please? | 08:51 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: if that's the case, one patch has been dropped in the merge | 08:52 |
| pitti | no, don't worry guys, it's just that lrm for -9 is not yet available | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh good, as i'm just updating :P | 08:52 |
| fabbione | pitti: true that :) | 08:52 |
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| Mithrandir | oh, this'll be a fun herd, then. | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes, so it isnt | 08:52 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: and what's different from the others? :) | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | heya Mithrandir! | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oh, herd this Thursday? | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: indeed. | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oh, then I indeed need to talk to you | 08:53 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you get my report yesterday? | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I did, yes. It looks quite good. | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: shoot | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: my plan right now was to review/promote compiz/desktop-effects and put it into the -desktop seed | 08:53 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: good... hopefully we will fix the export format to something more readable | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: should that go into herd 5? | 08:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: go for it. | 08:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: we still need the new GNOME tarballs which are due today. | 08:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ah, I'll NEW lrm and backports-modules, ok? | 08:54 |
| Mithrandir | thanks a lot. | 08:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: also, I would like to sort out bug 67925 RSN | 08:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67925 in Ubuntu "Do not ship translations without matching input support" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67925 | 08:55 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: but that'll require large amounts of CD space, so dropping some translations in exchange | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | we're not very high on the number of translations atm. | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | iirc | 08:55 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: at least the good thing is that the fewer translations we ship, the fewer input methods we have to ship | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 08:56 |
| pitti | the thing that sucks is that the Chinese input tables require some 10 MB, and it's on the top of the list | 08:56 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'll do some more detailled research and come back to you with the plan | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | ok, thanks. I think post-herd5 might be a plan. | 08:57 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: ok, so I'll don't do that for h5 | 08:57 |
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| LaserJock | you're going to put compiz into Main? | 08:58 |
| pitti | LaserJock: under protest, but yes | 08:58 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: fiddling with what goes on the cd is a lot less painful if you don't have me standing over you asking whether we're there yet. :-) | 08:58 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: heh, yes :) | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | pitti: yikes, good luck with that :-) | 08:59 |
| pitti | LaserJock: s/)/(/... that thing really sucks in various dimensions (usability, slowness, not working at all with nvidia, etc.) | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: compiz is being put as default now? | 09:00 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: noooo! | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: didnt think so. hence why are you putting it into the desktop seed? | 09:01 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: but we want desktop-effects installed by default for an 'one click to break your desktop' experience | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | yes, we'll remove metacity and kwin. | 09:01 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: ahhhh....gotcha. | 09:01 |
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| pitti | it's all part of GettingRidOfTheDesktop spec | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | so it'll be install, just not turned on? | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | *installed | 09:01 |
| pitti | LaserJock: right | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | seems sort of reasonable | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: neither beryl nor compiz works with kwin terribly well | 09:02 |
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| pitti | no, I'm not bitter | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: heh | 09:03 |
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| Mithrandir | :-) | 09:03 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: yay candies! | 09:03 |
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| LaserJock | well, considering all the trouble we go to with MIRs, it seems like a bit of a double standard | 09:03 |
| Lathiat | not working with nvidia? i found compiz/beryl worked far more often with nvidia than ati | 09:05 |
| Lathiat | in fact i cant get neither compiz or beryl to run on my ati atm | 09:05 |
| pitti | Lathiat: well, if you count 'being slow and having no window decorations at all' working, then it works | 09:05 |
| pitti | Lathiat: the window decorations can be fixed with a magical xorg.conf option | 09:05 |
| Lathiat | hrm, works fantastically for me *shrug* | 09:05 |
| fabbione | i was never able to get compiz to work with nvidia | 09:05 |
| fabbione | i should probably give it another shot | 09:05 |
| Lathiat | pitti: oh yeh i think i had that option.. good point :P | 09:06 |
| pitti | which in turn breaks other things, but makes compiz work | 09:06 |
| Lathiat | heh | 09:06 |
| Lathiat | yeh the compiz+beryl stuff is still not "even nearly there" ;) | 09:06 |
| Lathiat | its a fantastic demo | 09:06 |
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| Lathiat | and i dont mind using it for a bit but then it does weird things and then i just turn it off :P | 09:06 |
| Lathiat | with jsut the basic plugins, *mildly* wobbly windows, cube, brief fade in/out | 09:06 |
| Lathiat | burning windows is a bit much for me | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | burning windows? neat! | 09:07 |
| Lathiat | yeh its neat the first time | 09:07 |
| Lathiat | then you find the "multi color" option, its neat the second time | 09:07 |
| Lathiat | and then suddenly its extremely annoying | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:08 |
| Mithrandir | I want exploding windows, with particle effects. And sounds. | 09:08 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: you have tried xblast, presumably? | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | does launchpad.net prevent google indexing bug reports or something | 09:10 |
| Lathiat | trying to find the bug where the fireworks screensaver with sounds interupts him & his girlfriend | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | and causes his grandmother to faint | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | and the neighbours to make a complaint | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | or something along those lines | 09:13 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: no sound and no particle effects, iirc? | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | but google & launchpad search are failing me | 09:13 |
| Lathiat | oh well home time back later | 09:14 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: true that. but blasting windows is fun | 09:14 |
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| mneptok | everybody out of the pool! | 10:33 |
| pitti | hi lool | 10:33 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: hm, u-meta upload is still missing, the current ./update does very weird things for me (removed tons of stuff) | 10:36 |
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| carlos | pitti, seb128: Feisty opening is planned for tomorrow morning | 10:37 |
| carlos | (translations) | 10:37 |
| pitti | yay! | 10:37 |
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| carlos | and we will start importing all new .pot and .po files from feisty (at that time, we will get a copy of Edgy) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | carlos: nice! | 10:38 |
| pitti | maybe they'll make it to herd-5 | 10:38 |
| seb128 | how long is going to take the import? | 10:38 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: hmm. | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: I doubt of it, import is going to takes days probably | 10:38 |
| pitti | ah, right | 10:38 |
| carlos | pitti: and Thursday, I will prepare new language packs for it | 10:38 |
| carlos | seb128: at least two days... | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | tepsipakki: argh. my downwards scroll has broken. (on my touchpad) - the rest seems to work, though | 10:40 |
| poningru | question... isnt thursday supposed to herd5... would the import cause troubles for that?... just a thought being thrown out I really dont have any clue about the process | 10:42 |
| Mithrandir | poningru: I don't see why it would cause problems for that? | 10:43 |
| poningru | ok cool | 10:43 |
| tepsipakki | Hobbsee: ok, I'll look around for a fix | 10:51 |
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| fabbione | feh | 10:51 |
| fabbione | so what's the workaround for X server not being able to find fixed fonts? :) | 10:51 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: you tell me :) | 10:51 |
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| fabbione | tepsipakki: does reverting the server to an older version work? | 10:52 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: it seems that for some /usr/share/X11/fonts is left behind by some package | 10:52 |
| fabbione | that shouldn't matter | 10:52 |
| tepsipakki | and so the symlink is not made | 10:52 |
| fabbione | ah | 10:52 |
| fabbione | where are fonts now? | 10:53 |
| asac | hmmm ... how can I decouple falsely marked duplicates in lp? | 10:53 |
| seb128 | /usr/share/fonts/X11 | 10:53 |
| fabbione | seb128: ok thanks | 10:53 |
| seb128 | asac: click on "mark duplicate" and empty the entry | 10:53 |
| seb128 | fabbione: np | 10:53 |
| fabbione | but.. hmm | 10:54 |
| fabbione | /usr/share/fonts/X11 should be hardencoded in the server | 10:54 |
| fabbione | i recall this patch somewhere | 10:54 |
| asac | seb128: naturally :) | 10:54 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: in our previous version? | 10:54 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: yes | 10:54 |
| fabbione | checking now... | 10:55 |
| fabbione | it might be you forgot or drop a patch by mistake | 10:55 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: Debian dropped some patches and changed configure option for fonts | 10:55 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: we (and debian) used to have "--with-fontdir" as a configure option | 10:56 |
| tepsipakki | and that was changed by debian in September to --with-font-path | 10:56 |
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| tepsipakki | don't know if that has anything to do with this | 10:56 |
| seb128 | fabbione: what do you think about http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/xorg-x11-server/devel/xorg-x11-server-1.1.1-builtin-fonts.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup ? | 10:56 |
| fabbione | seb128: i can't look at it right now.. i am in deep text mode :) | 10:57 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: it might easily be... | 10:57 |
| seb128 | fabbione: | 10:57 |
| seb128 | -#ifdef KDRIVESERVER | 10:57 |
| seb128 | BuiltinRegisterFpeFunctions(); | 10:57 |
| seb128 | -#endif | 10:57 |
| seb128 | "- Enable builtin fallback versions of cursor and fixed fonts." | 10:57 |
| seb128 | patch from Fedora | 10:57 |
| fabbione | might be | 10:57 |
| seb128 | that would be a good idea maybe, if that makes xorg robust to fonts problems like that | 10:58 |
| fabbione | seb128: i am checking some diff stuff now.. but i will stay in text mode to test the fix so i am unable to do a bunch of things easily | 10:58 |
| tepsipakki | fedora also has "built-ins" appended to the --with-font-path | 10:59 |
| tepsipakki | which maybe is what makes that patch to actually work | 11:00 |
| fabbione | i can see a patch has been dropped between 1.1.1 and 1.2 | 11:01 |
| fabbione | 11_debian... | 11:01 |
| fabbione | in 1.1.1 | 11:01 |
| tepsipakki | looking.. | 11:01 |
| fabbione | the change is relevant to that font-path/font-dir change | 11:02 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: ok.. sigh | 11:03 |
| tepsipakki | the numbering confused me | 11:04 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: the patch was dropped by Debian | 11:04 |
| seb128 | [ Eugene Konev ] | 11:04 |
| fabbione | but we need to understand why | 11:04 |
| seb128 | * Use --with-default-font-path instead of --with-fontdir. | 11:04 |
| seb128 | * Set RGBPath through --with-rgb-path. | 11:04 |
| seb128 | * Drop 11_debian_always_use_default_font_path.diff. | 11:04 |
| seb128 | * Drop 14_debian_always_look_in_our_module_path.diff. | 11:04 |
| seb128 | * Ship SecurityPolicy in xserver-xorg-core. | 11:04 |
| seb128 | right | 11:05 |
| tepsipakki | oh, it was at the same time | 11:05 |
| tepsipakki | the change was made.. | 11:05 |
| fabbione | ahhhh | 11:05 |
| fabbione | it looks like a typo somewhere | 11:05 |
| fabbione | indeed | 11:06 |
| fabbione | check the font path in debian/rules | 11:06 |
| fabbione | " X11/fonts/Type1" | 11:06 |
| fabbione | there is an extra space | 11:06 |
| fabbione | let me try to rebuild without that space | 11:06 |
| fabbione | that path seems just wrong to me | 11:07 |
| seb128 | hum, right | 11:07 |
| fabbione | hmm no | 11:08 |
| fabbione | there is the correct one right before | 11:08 |
| fabbione | never the less.. that one is wrong | 11:08 |
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| fabbione | Whisky Foxtrot Tango! | 11:11 |
| fabbione | well ok. i understand what's wrong... | 11:11 |
| fabbione | basically with the old patch + configure command the default path was added dinamycally | 11:12 |
| fabbione | with the new behaviour, we switch to it only if the font path in xorg.conf is totally bogus | 11:12 |
| fabbione | in this case the font path is valid because of left overs | 11:12 |
| fabbione | and we never look in the other path | 11:12 |
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| fabbione | so either we fix configs (difficult and bad) or we repatch the server | 11:13 |
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| tepsipakki | easy to decide ;) | 11:13 |
| seb128 | or we use the fedora way and use builtin fonts? | 11:14 |
| fabbione | seb128: we can try for sure | 11:14 |
| tepsipakki | fedora uses both --with-fontdir and --with-font-path | 11:14 |
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| fabbione | in fact.. as soon as i change the config and add the correct paths it works | 11:15 |
| fabbione | seb128: i have a test case here.. so it's easy for me to test... | 11:15 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:15 |
| fabbione | seb128: can you put that fedora patch somewhere i can scp it? | 11:15 |
| fabbione | seb128: like chinstrap? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | fabbione: done, on my user dir on chinstrap | 11:17 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: and we should probably do that too.. the 2 are not mutual exclusive | 11:17 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: seb128 tested it yesterday and that alone doesn't help, but maybe with 'built-ins' added to --with-font-paths it does | 11:17 |
| seb128 | I was going to say that | 11:17 |
| fabbione | yeah | 11:18 |
| fabbione | let's try one thing at a time | 11:18 |
| fabbione | first seb patch | 11:18 |
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| === fabbione gets nausea for looking into X once again... | ||
| fabbione | i HATE YOU ALL :P | 11:20 |
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| pitti | seb128, Mithrandir: btw, do you plan to update the X video/input drivers for or after h5? | 11:22 |
| tuxcrafter | hello guys | 11:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: there is not lot to update in fact | 11:22 |
| tuxcrafter | i have a discussion with some claws mail guys and need some adivce | 11:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: upstream didn't roll much of new tarballs for drivers apparently | 11:22 |
| tuxcrafter | i am trying to build there cvs | 11:22 |
| tuxcrafter | but there are errors in it | 11:23 |
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| seb128 | tuxcrafter: that's not an user support chan, you might want to try #ubuntu | 11:23 |
| tuxcrafter | they say the cvs is not for compiling | 11:23 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, ok; is there a list/repo somewhere? I'll add the other packages to my 'to be rebuilt for maintainer' list then | 11:23 |
| tuxcrafter | what do you think? | 11:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: no, but I'm going to keep looking at them today, any hurry or is that afternoon fine for giving you a list? | 11:24 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, don't worry, I won't get to 'X' before next week ;) | 11:24 |
| seb128 | ok, so I will let you know | 11:24 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm still at 'l' | 11:24 |
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| tuxcrafter | can someone point me to the rules of using a cvs checkout | 11:30 |
| tuxcrafter | i believe in this: | 11:30 |
| tuxcrafter | i don't want to use tarballs i want to use cvs checkouts and dependencies need to be pointed out before compiling when run the .autogen.sh or .configure.sh script not when you are installing and get errors | 11:30 |
| tuxcrafter | but i want some feedback on it | 11:30 |
| fabbione | tuxcrafter: this is not the right forum or place to discuss certain things. | 11:31 |
| fabbione | please ask in #ubuntu | 11:31 |
| tuxcrafter | but ubuntu is for normal users i have developing questions | 11:33 |
| tuxcrafter | #ubuntu-motu check them out | 11:34 |
| seb128 | tuxcrafter: that's not a developing question | 11:36 |
| seb128 | or not about developing Ubuntu, what is what the chan is about | 11:36 |
| tuxcrafter | fabbione: sorry to have bother this list but it is very unclear than what kind of people are in this list. thought there were developers? | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | tuxcrafter: there are. they're also in other channels. | 11:37 |
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| fabbione | seb128: the patch is not enough | 11:43 |
| seb128 | fabbione: :/ | 11:43 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: how does fedora call --with-fonts-dirs? or path? | 11:43 |
| tepsipakki | ah, they have "--with-default-font-path="unix/:7100,built-ins"" | 11:44 |
| tepsipakki | and "--with-fontdir=%(pkg-config --variable=fontdir fontutil)" | 11:44 |
| tepsipakki | looking at the changelog they added "built-ins" to the path right after that patch | 11:46 |
| fabbione | our fontdir would be empty | 11:46 |
| tepsipakki | yep | 11:46 |
| fabbione | or we need a build-dep | 11:46 |
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| fabbione | tepsipakki: trying that | 11:48 |
| fabbione | built-ins... | 11:48 |
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| fabbione | tepsipakki: do you have any option to also check what pkg-config in fedora returns? | 11:52 |
| tepsipakki | I have access to rhel4/5 | 11:54 |
| tepsipakki | but they are servers | 11:54 |
| fabbione | that won't help | 11:54 |
| tepsipakki | oh wait | 11:55 |
| tepsipakki | a friend of mine is a fedora-addict :/ | 11:55 |
| fabbione | ask in #fedora? :) | 11:55 |
| fabbione | or even #xorg-devel | 11:55 |
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| tepsipakki | I'll check my friend first :) | 11:55 |
| mneptok | hmmm .... maybe i should deploy a FC VM here ... | 11:56 |
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| fabbione | even with ccache it takes ages to build this code | 11:58 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: nope.. config path and patch don't help | 11:59 |
| fabbione | seb128: ^ | 11:59 |
| fabbione | so either their server works because of the pkg-config output | 11:59 |
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| fabbione | or we can safely revert the debian changes into the old ones | 11:59 |
| tepsipakki | on FC6 it returns /usr/share/X11/fonts | 11:59 |
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| seb128 | <alex__> seb128: fc6: /usr/share/X11/fonts | 12:01 |
| seb128 | confirmed :p | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | heh | 12:01 |
| fabbione | oh wait | 12:01 |
| tepsipakki | so we could hardcode --with-fontdir to /usr/share/fonts/X11? | 12:02 |
| fabbione | one more test | 12:02 |
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| fabbione | no never mind | 12:03 |
| fabbione | ok i am back to X and we can look at the solution | 12:05 |
| tepsipakki | heh | 12:05 |
| tepsipakki | crashed quickly?-) | 12:05 |
| ogra | seb128, meh, all gdm related code is vanished from gss | 12:06 |
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| seb128 | ogra: and that's not good because...? | 12:06 |
| seb128 | ogra: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407964 | 12:07 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 407964 in dialog "direct fast user switching" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 12:07 |
| ogra | yep, saw it in the changelog | 12:07 |
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| seb128 | that's the work from fedora guys, they want user switching working out of the box for FC7 | 12:08 |
| seb128 | which seems to be a good thing | 12:08 |
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| ogra | right | 12:09 |
| fabbione | re | 12:10 |
| ogra | so looks lik i can drop that one completely, nice ... | 12:10 |
| ogra | and we need no dep on gdm :) | 12:10 |
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| Hobbsee | gah....can someone write me a program to always be able to find my carkeys please? | 12:10 |
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| cjwatson | Hobbsee: #include <stdio.h>\nint main(int argc, char **argv) { printf("they're down the back of the sofa\n"); return 0; } | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: hahaha | 12:16 |
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| fabbione | tepsipakki, seb128: imho we should temporary revert to the old behaviour | 12:20 |
| fabbione | it's know to work | 12:20 |
| seb128 | fabbione: why "temporary"? | 12:20 |
| seb128 | either that's right and we should do it | 12:20 |
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| fabbione | because it might take a while to get to the right fix | 12:21 |
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| seb128 | or it's not and we should better to fix it properly now | 12:21 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: wouldn't it be enough to add "--with-fontdir=/usr/share/fonts/X11"? | 12:21 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: i am not sure... i didn't try that solution | 12:21 |
| fabbione | and we keep adding vars.. patch/config options.. etc. | 12:22 |
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| fabbione | but anyway.. we know what it is | 12:22 |
| fabbione | i leave it up to you how you prefer to fix it | 12:22 |
| tepsipakki | I'll try --with-fontdir | 12:22 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: can you reproduce the bug locally? | 12:23 |
| fabbione | otherwise i can drive you on how to do it | 12:23 |
| fabbione | it's pretty simple tho | 12:23 |
| seb128 | just delete the symlink | 12:23 |
| tepsipakki | I should be able to | 12:23 |
| tepsipakki | haven't tried | 12:23 |
| seb128 | and make xorg.conf uses the /usr/share/X11/fonts path | 12:24 |
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| jsgotangco | good idea | 12:25 |
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| mvo | Mithrandir: could you please have a look at bug https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-cd/+bug/86133 ? | 12:26 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 86133 in debian-cd "ubuntu-minimal cannot be found - herd 4 upgrade fails" [High,Unconfirmed] | 12:26 |
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| tepsipakki | hmm, I really need to set up a local package cache.. painful to keep three machines uptodate via 1Mbit downlink :) | 12:28 |
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| Mithrandir | mvo: u-m isn't Essential and it seems to be in the archive just fine.. | 01:08 |
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| cjwatson_ | mvo: FYI ubuntu-cdimage product not debian-cd sourcepackage in Ubuntu | 01:11 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: oh, sorry, I misread the bug report completely. Ignore me. :-) | 01:14 |
| mvo | cjwatson_: oh, sorry. I will remember this for the future | 01:14 |
| cjwatson_ | mvo: applying, thanks | 01:15 |
| mvo | cjwatson_: cool, thanks a lot! lets see if it works as it should :) | 01:15 |
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| tepsipakki | fabbione: --with-fontdir didn't help.. so I think we'll need to add that patch again | 01:16 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: WDYT about an UVFE for bug 87675? changelog looks reasonable | 01:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87675 in utf8-migration-tool "Please sync utf8-migration-tool (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87675 | 01:16 |
| Ng | `/win 82 | 01:16 |
| Ng | gah | 01:16 |
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| ogra | dholbach, do you know if glibs handling of gthread changed somehow ? i cant get gss to build here ... | 01:18 |
| dholbach | ogra: what is the build error? | 01:18 |
| ogra | /tmp/buildd/gnome-screensaver-2.17.8/src/gnome-screensaver-dialog.c:529: undefined reference to `g_thread_init' | 01:18 |
| dholbach | ogra: i doubt it's glib's fault that g-s-s does not build | 01:19 |
| ogra | i'm already depending on glib2.0-dev | 01:19 |
| dholbach | last glib upload: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:24:11 +0100 | 01:19 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: FYI, u-meta uploaded for desktop-effects | 01:19 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: thanks. | 01:19 |
| ogra | and the configure output even lists it | 01:19 |
| ogra | Base libs: -pthread -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lfontconfig -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXfixes -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lX11 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgconf-2 -lORBit-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lgobject-2.0 -lgnome-menu -lglib-2.0 | 01:19 |
| dholbach | ogra: how many patches onfor g-s-s do we have? | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: how's the new tarballs coming? As in, should I freeze now-ish and just let the rest through or would you rather I wait for a bit? | 01:20 |
| ogra | dholbach, one ... the one that checks for the LTSP_CLIENT env var | 01:20 |
| ogra | a two liner | 01:20 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: better ask seb128 once he's back on irc | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: kthx | 01:20 |
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| dholbach | Mithrandir: I just came back from helping a friend with moving | 01:20 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: so i need to read mails first | 01:20 |
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| dholbach | ogra: can you upload the source package - I'l have a look | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: tbh, I think we should just throw it out of main. | 01:21 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I just thought the same; but syncing it would be a good idea nevertheless | 01:21 |
| ogra | dholbach, sure, but i'ts not complete yet, so please dont upload it ... | 01:21 |
| dholbach | ogra: sure | 01:21 |
| seb128 | what package? | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: oh sure, if the motus want it. | 01:21 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: hiya; how's the tarballs coming along? | 01:22 |
| dholbach | seb128: g-screensaver ftbfs - i'll take a look at it | 01:22 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I'll go ahead and unseed/demote/sync it then | 01:22 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: cheers. | 01:22 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: mostly done, there 6-7 small tarballs left | 01:23 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: coolie. Are you ok with me freezing now and just letting the last ones through when they show up, then? | 01:23 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yes | 01:23 |
| ogra | seb128, gss | 01:23 |
| ogra | <ogra> /tmp/buildd/gnome-screensaver-2.17.8/src/gnome-screensaver-dialog.c:529: undefined reference to `g_thread_init' | 01:23 |
| ogra | but | 01:23 |
| ogra | <ogra> Base libs: -pthread -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lfontconfig -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXfixes -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lX11 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgconf-2 -lORBit-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lgobject-2.0 -lgnome-menu -lglib-2.0 | 01:23 |
| ogra | seb128, ^^^ | 01:23 |
| seb128 | ogra: does it #include <glib.h>? | 01:24 |
| ogra | libgthread is there and linked ... but the compiler complains about it | 01:24 |
| ogra | yes | 01:24 |
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| pitti | ogra: do you want desktop-effects/compiz in edubuntu-meta? | 01:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: are we getting compiz to desktop now? | 01:25 |
| pitti | ogra: and, initially, -desktop seed of course | 01:25 |
| seb128 | ogra: where is the source package? | 01:25 |
| pitti | seb128: already done, as per last week's discussion | 01:25 |
| ogra | pitti, nope | 01:25 |
| pitti | ogra: 'k, because I need to merge seeds | 01:25 |
| ogra | pitti, it's in main through ubuntu-desktoip, right ? | 01:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: good, would be nice to fix desktop-effects, I'll have a look at it today | 01:25 |
| pitti | ogra: right | 01:25 |
| pitti | seb128: what to fix in particular? | 01:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's not working atm I think, it breaks the plugins list | 01:26 |
| ogra | thats enough ... i fear it might distrub ltsp ... | 01:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: I start compiz with "compiz --replace gconf" when I try it | 01:26 |
| seb128 | ogra: the error is a linker one? | 01:27 |
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| ogra | seb128, nope, compiler | 01:27 |
| seb128 | ogra: do you have -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include ? | 01:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: do you want compiz-kde in kubuntu-desktop? | 01:28 |
| pitti | Riddell: (I guess not, but checking) | 01:28 |
| ogra | seb128, only -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so | 01:28 |
| seb128 | ogra: do you have the src package somewhere? | 01:29 |
| ogra | seb128, still uploading, give it a second, my upstream BW sucks | 01:29 |
| Riddell | pitti: since it's an empty package it wouldn't do much good | 01:30 |
| pitti | oh, heh :) | 01:30 |
| ogra | seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gss/ | 01:30 |
| seb128 | ogra: | 01:30 |
| seb128 | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GNOME_SCREENSAVER_DIALOG, | 01:30 |
| seb128 | libglade-2.0 >= $GLADE_REQUIRED_VERSION | 01:30 |
| seb128 | gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED_VERSION) | 01:30 |
| seb128 | that should be enough | 01:31 |
| seb128 | let me try | 01:31 |
| ogra | gah, autoconf mess | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | it should PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GSS, [libglade-2.0 ... ] ), btw. | 01:31 |
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| dholbach | ogra: new dia also | 01:47 |
| ogra | dholbach, already on it | 01:47 |
| dholbach | yoohoo | 01:47 |
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| ogra | how do we handle packages that are one version ahead of debian but use their packaging of the older package, do i need to add XSBC-Original-Maintainer or just change the maintainer field to my name ? | 02:06 |
| ogra | (dia is such a candidate) | 02:06 |
| seb128 | ogra: we use XSBC-Original-Maintainer for GNOME packages atm | 02:08 |
| ogra | so i should add it additionally then, right ? gss doesnt have that prob, its your package ;) | 02:09 |
| seb128 | ogra: gnome-screensaver builds fine on my desktop | 02:10 |
| ogra | hmm, in pbuilder ? | 02:10 |
| seb128 | no, on feisty | 02:10 |
| seb128 | you might lack a Build-Depends then | 02:10 |
| seb128 | let me try with pbuilder | 02:10 |
| ogra | i added lobglib2.0-dev already ... | 02:11 |
| ogra | *lib | 02:11 |
| ogra | that shouldnt be the prob ... | 02:11 |
| seb128 | and you are sure it was installed? | 02:11 |
| seb128 | to your pbuilder | 02:11 |
| ogra | unlkess gthread went secretly to its own package :) | 02:11 |
| seb128 | nop | 02:11 |
| seb128 | let me try with pbuilder | 02:11 |
| ogra | yes, i saw it getting installer | 02:11 |
| ogra | *installed | 02:11 |
| ogra | i wouldnt ask here if i hadnt tried all options i know ;) | 02:12 |
| seb128 | does it build on your desktop? | 02:12 |
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| ogra | hmm, thats something i usually dont try ... have to wait for dia eating my cpu ... | 02:13 |
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| ogra | seb128, btw dont we need a package of consolekit ? seems gdm, gss and gpm all switch to it before 2.18 | 02:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: ^ | 02:16 |
| seb128 | did you look at it? | 02:16 |
| seb128 | Fedora is going to have user switching integration with it for FC7 | 02:16 |
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| seb128 | would be nice ot have, we are past feature freeze though | 02:16 |
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| seb128 | but since those features are part of GNOME 2.18 we might want to give it a try | 02:17 |
| pitti | seb128: argh | 02:17 |
| seb128 | what? | 02:17 |
| seb128 | that's not policykit | 02:17 |
| pitti | shouldn't Gnome be past feature freeze as well? | 02:17 |
| seb128 | it's consolekit | 02:17 |
| pitti | right, I know | 02:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: they have those options for a while | 02:18 |
| pitti | I'll take a look at it if we really need it | 02:18 |
| seb128 | that's just optional | 02:18 |
| ogra | seb128, well, i'm not very keen on having it either, ldm doesnt support it yet and i dont know what happens if you have a desktop without it | 02:18 |
| seb128 | but if FC7 will have that | 02:18 |
| seb128 | we could try to do it as well | 02:18 |
| ogra | in the beginning it looked lik i just have to set some env vars, but it mutated a lot | 02:18 |
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| ogra | seb128, weird, gss builds on my desktop | 02:23 |
| ogra | oh, wait | 02:23 |
| ogra | no, i lied | 02:23 |
| seb128 | ogra: it's building to pbuilder for me atm | 02:23 |
| seb128 | ? | 02:23 |
| ogra | gnome-screensaver-dialog.o: In function `main': | 02:24 |
| ogra | /home/ogra/packages/gnome-screensaver-2.17.8-bastel/src/gnome-screensaver-dialog.c:529: undefined reference to `g_thread_init' | 02:24 |
| ogra | again ... | 02:24 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: can you post the build log somewhere? | 02:24 |
| seb128 | k, doing the same with pbuilder there | 02:24 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7795/ for the relevant part | 02:24 |
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| ogra | i can get you a full log of the desktop build if that helps | 02:25 |
| Mithrandir | yes, please. | 02:25 |
| Mithrandir | (if that's failing?) | 02:26 |
| ogra | both is failing here | 02:26 |
| ogra | pbuilder as well as a plain debian/rules binary | 02:27 |
| seb128 | ogra: you lack a Build-Depends on libgnomekbdui-dev BTW | 02:27 |
| ogra | meh, i know i added that at some point when 2.17 started ... | 02:27 |
| ogra | i'll add it | 02:27 |
| seb128 | it's not there | 02:27 |
| ogra | no, but do you remember me nagging ? | 02:28 |
| seb128 | ogra: and on libxkbfile-dev | 02:28 |
| ogra | ok | 02:28 |
| seb128 | that fixes the build problem | 02:28 |
| seb128 | maybe the code path when building without it is buggy | 02:28 |
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| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gss/gss_log.txt | 02:29 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ^^ | 02:29 |
| ogra | seb128, trying now | 02:29 |
| ogra | i wouldnt understand why it fails on g_thread_init then though | 02:31 |
| ogra | hmm, but it looks good ... | 02:32 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: uh, that build log doesn't look like it failed? | 02:33 |
| ogra | Mirv, hmm, right, the end is missing | 02:34 |
| ogra | Mithrandir indeed | 02:34 |
| seb128 | ogra: | 02:34 |
| seb128 | -LIBGNOMEKBDUI_CFLAGS='' | 02:34 |
| seb128 | -LIBGNOMEKBDUI_LIBS='' | 02:34 |
| seb128 | +LIBGNOMEKBDUI_CFLAGS=' ' | 02:34 |
| seb128 | +LIBGNOMEKBDUI_LIBS='-pthread -lgnomekbd -lgnomekbdui -lxklavier -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgnomeui-2 -lSM -lICE -lbonoboui-2 | 02:34 |
| seb128 | -lgnome-keyring -lxml2 -lgnomecanvas-2 -lgnome-2 -lpopt -lart_lgpl_2 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 | 02:34 |
| seb128 | -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lfontconfig -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXfixes -lpango-1.0 | 02:34 |
| seb128 | -lcairo -lX11 -lbonobo-2 -lgnomevfs-2 -lbonobo-activation -lgconf-2 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lORBit-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lgobject-2 | 02:34 |
| seb128 | .0 -lglib-2.0 ' | 02:34 |
| seb128 | ogra: something probably benefit from the LIBGNOMEKBDUI_LIBS definition | 02:34 |
| dholbach | kwwii: would you mind if i change the maintainer field of the artwork packages to ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com? | 02:34 |
| ogra | but that seems somewhat wrong ... | 02:35 |
| seb128 | ogra: as said before | 02:35 |
| ogra | anyway, it builds with the added deps | 02:35 |
| seb128 | " maybe the code path when building without it is buggy" | 02:35 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 02:35 |
| seb128 | np | 02:35 |
| dholbach | three cheers for magic Sb | 02:35 |
| ogra | do you think thats worth an upstream bug ? | 02:35 |
| seb128 | ogra: yep | 02:36 |
| ogra | oki, will file | 02:36 |
| seb128 | ok, gotcha | 02:38 |
| seb128 | gnome_screensaver_dialog_LDADD =\ | 02:38 |
| seb128 | $(GNOME_SCREENSAVER_DIALOG_LIBS)\ | 02:38 |
| seb128 | $(SAVER_LIBS)\ | 02:38 |
| seb128 | $(AUTH_LIBS)\ | 02:38 |
| seb128 | $(LIBGNOMEKBDUI_LIBS)\ | 02:38 |
| seb128 | $(NULL) | 02:38 |
| seb128 | 02:38 | |
| seb128 | none of those has -lgthread-2.0 out of LIBGNOMEKBDUI_LIBS | 02:38 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: I have new goffice and gnumeric almost ready (gnumeric is building), is it ok to upload them, do I need to provide something? | 02:38 |
| seb128 | ogra: ^ | 02:38 |
| ogra | aha | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: they should be fine to just upload. | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: goffice and gnumeric are part of gnome or not? | 02:39 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: no | 02:39 |
| seb128 | gnome-office is not official part, it doesn't follow the GNOME schedule, freezes, etc | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: ok. Have they traditionally have had standing UVF exceptions? | 02:39 |
| seb128 | usually we do file UVF exception requests and they are accepted | 02:40 |
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| gpocentek | Mithrandir: I can file UVF bugs if you prefer | 02:40 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: please. | 02:41 |
| gpocentek | ok | 02:41 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: could you check if my xfwm4 upload is stuck somewhere (4.4.0-0ubuntu2) please? | 02:41 |
| gpocentek | I didn't receive a rejected/accepted mail | 02:42 |
| seb128 | ogra: | 02:42 |
| seb128 | --- configure.ac.orig 2007-02-27 14:41:46.000000000 +0100 | 02:42 |
| seb128 | +++ configure.ac 2007-02-27 14:42:19.000000000 +0100 | 02:42 |
| seb128 | @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ | 02:42 |
| seb128 | 02:42 | |
| seb128 | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GNOME_SCREENSAVER_DIALOG, | 02:42 |
| seb128 | libglade-2.0 >= $GLADE_REQUIRED_VERSION | 02:42 |
| seb128 | + gthread-2.0 | 02:42 |
| seb128 | gtk+-2.0 >= $GTK_REQUIRED_VERSION) | 02:42 |
| seb128 | AC_SUBST(GNOME_SCREENSAVER_DIALOG_CFLAGS) | 02:42 |
| seb128 | AC_SUBST(GNOME_SCREENSAVER_DIALOG_LIBS) | 02:42 |
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| seb128 | ogra: that fixes it probably | 02:42 |
| ogra | likely | 02:43 |
| Mithrandir | gpocentek: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6527059/bWLxhr0amPIG26EQeuM5mxMFP3U.txt ; use @, not at. | 02:43 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: could you give a retry to the random GNOME packages which didn't build on amd64 and sparc? | 02:43 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: yes, I've just been waiting for canvas to be published, but I think it is now | 02:44 |
| kwwii | dholbach: sure, if you think that will help | 02:44 |
| gpocentek | Mithrandir: ah ok, thanks | 02:44 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: ok, good, thank you | 02:44 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: but thanks for the prod nevertheless. :-) | 02:44 |
| seb128 | np ;) | 02:44 |
| pitti | argh, gnome-spell is ftbfs in feisty | 02:45 |
| pitti | yay me for becoming TIL for so many packages :) | 02:45 |
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| seb128 | pitti: don't complain, you didn't touch libx11, xorg and xorg-server :p | 02:46 |
| pitti | seb128: urgh, can you please have a quick look? might be a transient problem http://librarian.launchpad.net/6556688/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.gnome-spell_1.0.7-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 02:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: cf what I said to Tollef like 1 min ago ;) | 02:46 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I see; sorry | 02:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: nothing to be sorry about, that's going to sort itself ;) | 02:47 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: already given-back | 02:51 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: cheers | 02:51 |
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| Mithrandir | Riddell: your kde4base upload broke; looks like a missing build-dep on libldap-dev | 02:52 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: curious, I'll look into it | 02:52 |
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| ogra | whee, evo crash out of the blue ... | 02:57 |
| ogra | sigh, 35Mb apport .... | 02:59 |
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| jdong | ogra: hehe ever had Xgl using 450MB RAM crash on you? ;-) | 03:02 |
| jdong | the apport is quite a tad more interesting. | 03:02 |
| ogra | nah, i dont use xgl :) | 03:02 |
| ogra | evo and ff are probably the biggest things i use regulary ... oo.o very rarely | 03:03 |
| jdong | :) | 03:03 |
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| ogra | gah | 03:11 |
| ogra | apport wins ... | 03:11 |
| pitti | \o/ | 03:11 |
| pitti | apport FTW! | 03:11 |
| ogra | tar: gnome-screensaver-2.17.8/data: Cannot mkdir: No space left on device | 03:11 |
| ogra | pitti, ten mins ago i had 35M more space on my disk :P | 03:11 |
| seb128 | ogra: just upload, it builds fine | 03:12 |
| seb128 | if you tested it on your desktop I mean | 03:12 |
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| elmo | ogra: buy a bigger disk | 03:12 |
| ogra | it just cheated to make gss stop building :P | 03:12 |
| elmo | if you can't afford 35M of space, you have bigger problems | 03:12 |
| seb128 | doko: what did you change to gnome-python to make it not Depends on python2.4? | 03:12 |
| jdong | BenC: ping; curiousity, what's up with iwlwifi? will it be in Feisty? will it replace ipw3945? | 03:13 |
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| sebas | Seveas: ping | 03:14 |
| sebas | Seveas: LH just told me you've got email from her. | 03:15 |
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| doko | seb128: disable the linking of the extension module with -lpython | 03:17 |
| seb128 | doko: you changed the Makefile.am and ran autotools then or patched the Makefile.in by hand? just trying to figure the easier way to do that | 03:17 |
| doko | let me look | 03:18 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, dia and gss for approval in the queue | 03:21 |
| doko | seb128: sent you email | 03:22 |
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| gismo_ | hello all | 03:26 |
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| seb128 | hi gismo_ | 03:28 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: cheers. | 03:30 |
| gismo_ | I posted my question on ubuntu-motu, I think it's better | 03:30 |
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| eilker | hi to all, i need some advices... | 03:34 |
| eilker | we wanna replace all icons and all themes of ubuntu with my icons and themes, how can i do it ? any experience ?_ ,this may be a new iso, or a package in repo's to change all icons and themes of kubuntu, is it possible ? | 03:35 |
| eilker | where to start...etc... | 03:35 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: http://pastebin.ca/374339 -> trivial fix for dhcp3, ok to upload? | 03:37 |
| BenC | jdong: I tried it, and it didn't work | 03:41 |
| jdong | BenC: ah, ok :) | 03:42 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: could you accept the gedit upload, it should fix python plugins on amd64 | 03:44 |
| pitti | BenC: btw, is there anything I need to change in apport bug bug 87065? i. e. did the rules for CORE_REAL_RLIM change? | 03:44 |
| BenC | pitti: I'm pretty sure I commented on the changes in the bug | 03:44 |
| BenC | bug 87065 | 03:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87065 in linux-source-2.6.20 "does not set CORE_REAL_RLIM correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87065 | 03:44 |
| pitti | BenC: right, but I couldn't decipher it, sorry | 03:44 |
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| seb128 | doko: thanks for the mail | 03:45 |
| seb128 | doko: btw | 03:45 |
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| seb128 | doko: | 03:45 |
| seb128 | $ python-dbg -c 'import ORBit' | 03:45 |
| seb128 | Traceback (most recent call last): | 03:45 |
| seb128 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module> | 03:45 |
| seb128 | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ORBit_d.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4 | 03:45 |
| seb128 | doko: do you know what cause that and how to fix it? | 03:45 |
| seb128 | hum | 03:46 |
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| seb128 | looks like you did changes out of the debian dir for that package as well :/ | 03:46 |
| pitti | BenC: i. e. I already do check the variable, but it's not set correctly ATM | 03:46 |
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| BenC | pitti: Basically, CORE_REAL_RLIM is always set now | 03:46 |
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| BenC | pitti: it can be >= 0 | 03:46 |
| pitti | BenC: ok, so the second case in comment 4 doesn't happen any more | 03:48 |
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| BenC | right | 03:49 |
| BenC | so you always need to check it to decide how much to write out | 03:49 |
| pitti | BenC: right, and I already do | 03:49 |
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| jdong | BenC: got any ideas on tifm7xx1 not working anymore? | 03:49 |
| jdong | it's some sort of 2.6.20 regression | 03:50 |
| pitti | BenC: btw, for unlimited, it's set to '-1' now in -9, so I need to update the test | 03:50 |
| jdong | and I've seen it tossed around lkml too.... | 03:50 |
| BenC | pitti: Ah, I had forgotten that | 03:50 |
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| BenC | pitti: So -1 is the same as your second case | 03:50 |
| pitti | BenC: ok, so maybe the test suite just fails differently due to that now, I'll check | 03:51 |
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| doko | seb128: no, looking at it. most likely it's built with -I/usr/include/python2.5, not -I/usr/include/python2.5_d | 03:53 |
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| pitti | BenC: ah, indeed it seems to work now with the smaller ulimits (it's not empty any more); great! | 03:53 |
| dholbach | kwwii: I just thought it'd reflect more who'S in charge | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:53 |
| seb128 | doko: well, I update GNOME packages by keeping the debian dir, I'll look for what you changed out of it and which got dropped | 03:54 |
| doko | seb128: I probably didn't put the regenerated files in a patch file, sorry; the non-rebuilt part should be in configure.ac or acinclude.m4 | 03:56 |
| seb128 | doko: ok, thank you, and you run only aclocal and autoconf? | 03:56 |
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| seb128 | doko: or do you need other autotools for that? | 03:56 |
| doko | seb128: I know, that dholbach did run autoreconf -i for dbus-python, but aclocal & autoconf should be enough for the other gnome stuff; just make sure that $PYTHON-config --includes is used in the generated configure script | 03:58 |
| seb128 | ok, thank you | 03:59 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I need to upload a new apport to match the new 2.6.20-9 kernel behaviour: http://pastebin.ca/374373 | 04:11 |
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| kwwii | dholbach: as long as it does not bring a lot of discussions about decisions that are out of my hands, I am happy with the change :-) | 04:19 |
| dholbach | kwwii: I think that that mail address is more suited than mine ;-) | 04:20 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: tentatively uploading apport, btw | 04:28 |
| kwwii | dholbach: lol, yeah, probably so | 04:29 |
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| tbf | guess that question is too technical for #ubuntu, therefore I ask here: how do I permanently disable some binfmt without deleting it? | 04:38 |
| tepsipakki | tbf: update-binfmts? | 04:39 |
| tepsipakki | +man | 04:39 |
| tbf | tepsipakki: update-binfmts doesn't remember the settings on next startup | 04:39 |
| tbf | tepsipakki: and the manpage doesn't mention any configuration files | 04:40 |
| tepsipakki | ok | 04:41 |
| cjwatson | tbf: "without deleting it"> you mean without deleting the file in /usr/share/binfmts? | 04:43 |
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| tbf | cjwatson: more likely without removing it from the list "update-binfmts --display" generates | 04:44 |
| tbf | cjwatson: see, I cross-compile quite some stuff for win32 and there the cli-detector and wine cause problems | 04:45 |
| cjwatson | so you want it always to be disabled on startup, but to be able to selectively enable it if you want? | 04:45 |
| tbf | on the other hand I want to be able to reenable the detectors with some simple "update-binfmts --enable" | 04:46 |
| tbf | cjwatson: yup, maybe adding some lines to rc.local is the best solution for now | 04:46 |
| cjwatson | tbf: OK - I think your best bet is to edit /etc/init.d/binfmt-support | 04:46 |
| cjwatson | and either --enable selectively, or --disable certain things after --enable | 04:46 |
| tbf | yup. | 04:47 |
| cjwatson | tbf: could you file a bug about that? I should think about whether I can add a better facility for dealing with that sort of thing | 04:47 |
| tbf | cjwatson: ok, I do | 04:47 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 04:47 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: can you reject the human-gtk-theme upload next time you look? | 04:54 |
| hile | I think just adding /etc/default/binfmt-support with ENABLE="" and DISABLE="" variables, empty by default | 04:54 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: i'll merge human-gtk-theme and human-theme - the split never made sense (but that's post-herd material) | 04:54 |
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| hile | then, if you set something to DISABLE (space separated list), those are disables after --enable | 04:55 |
| hile | and if you set ENABLE="" to a value, only those formats are enabled and DISABLE is not used | 04:55 |
| hile | quite trivial to implement | 04:55 |
| hile | of course, as usual, this file only affects init script | 04:56 |
| cjwatson | hile: I think it needs to be more fine-grained than that, so you can ask for only certain binfmts to be disabled on startup | 04:56 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I upload a new nss-mdns to fix bug 87207; diff is relatively easy (http://pastebin.ca/374407), but feel free to ignore for h5; I just don't want to forget about it | 04:56 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 87207 in nss-mdns "libnss-mdns libraries should be /lib" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87207 | 04:56 |
| cjwatson | hile: oh, sorry, didn't read far enough | 04:56 |
| cjwatson | hile: something like that could work, yes | 04:56 |
| cjwatson | I want to think about it a little though, to make sure it fits in with the design of the rest of binfmt-support | 04:57 |
| hile | of course | 04:57 |
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| pitti | asac: ping | 04:58 |
| asac | pitti: pong | 05:02 |
| tbf | hile: could work | 05:05 |
| tbf | hile: as update-binfmt enables by default only the DISABLE variable might be needed. | 05:06 |
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| pitti | asac: got my /msg? | 05:08 |
| hile | yep | 05:08 |
| asac | pitti: yep :) | 05:08 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, one edubuntu-meta upload waiting for approval ... | 05:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | Does something in ubuntu-desktop depend on slocate to function? | 05:44 |
| bluefoxicy | I keep trying to remove it because I don't want slocate (I never use locate; and one day I noticed my computer was all laggy, updatedb had been running for 5 hours so I disabled locate), and now it fails to update because the post-install scripts return errors | 05:45 |
| bluefoxicy | there we go, removed and reinstalled slocate | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | I've just been curious why that has always been required though... it's not mentioned by the SUS as required in a standard Unix environment either (http://www.unix.org/version3/apis/cu.html) | 05:47 |
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| seb128 | doko: ok, the python packages are broken for most of the GNOME updates we did | 06:13 |
| seb128 | I've copied your modified .m4 and ran aclocal and autoconf, the configure is updated correctly, that doesn't fix the undefined symbol though | 06:13 |
| seb128 | and python-vte build breaks with cc: @PYTHON_LIBS@: No such file or directory | 06:14 |
| seb128 | I've upload a gnome-python fixing the Depends on python2.4 | 06:14 |
| seb128 | I applied to .m4 changes and aclocal, autoconf run, if you could have a look that would be nice | 06:15 |
| doko | seb128: so I'll look at vte, and gnome-python. anything else? | 06:17 |
| seb128 | doko: if you can look at those that would be nice, I will adapt fixes for the others if you figure what is wrong | 06:19 |
| seb128 | doko: should I scp them somewhere? I've uploaded gnome-python with some changes but it's blocked by the freeze | 06:22 |
| doko | seb128: would be nice | 06:25 |
| seb128 | doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/gnome-python/ | 06:26 |
| seb128 | doko: that version drops the Depends on python2.4, it still does that though: | 06:28 |
| seb128 | "ImportError: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gnome/_gnome_d.so: undefined symbol: Py_InitModule4" | 06:28 |
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| dholbach | seb128: which dir are you in, wenn you call python-dbg -c "import ..." ? | 06:29 |
| seb128 | doko: for vte you can start for the archive version, I've just copied acinclude.m4 from your package with aclocal and autoconf | 06:29 |
| seb128 | dholbach: ~ or ~/Desktop | 06:29 |
| dholbach | seb128: ok, hm | 06:30 |
| seb128 | $ python-dbg -c 'import vte' | 06:30 |
| seb128 | Traceback (most recent call last): | 06:30 |
| seb128 | File "<string>", line 1, in <module> | 06:30 |
| seb128 | RuntimeError: could not find _PyGObject_API object | 06:30 |
| seb128 | 06:30 | |
| seb128 | also | 06:30 |
| seb128 | dholbach: does that one work for you? | 06:30 |
| doko | seb128: do you test from the package dir? if yes, try to change the dir | 06:30 |
| seb128 | doko: no, I test from ~/Desktop | 06:31 |
| doko | hmm | 06:31 |
| seb128 | and I've nothing special on my desktop | 06:31 |
| seb128 | only some downloads and directories | 06:31 |
| dholbach | seb128: no | 06:32 |
| seb128 | ok :/ | 06:32 |
| seb128 | dholbach: vte is probably broken because the updated dropped the acinclude.m4 change and the configure update | 06:33 |
| seb128 | dholbach: when I try to apply them again the builds break with "cc: @PYTHON_LIBS@: No such file or directory" | 06:34 |
| jdong | lol I see pitti wants to join the desktop-effects club | 06:34 |
| jdong | </sarcasm> | 06:34 |
| dholbach | seb128: oh damn, i must have missed the change then :-( | 06:34 |
| seb128 | he's not around to read that :p | 06:34 |
| seb128 | dholbach: that was a change made out of the debian dir | 06:35 |
| dholbach | oh, hm | 06:35 |
| dholbach | i'll finish something up here, then take a look at it | 06:35 |
| seb128 | dholbach: thank you | 06:35 |
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| doko | seb128: hmm, I get in a chroot: | 06:56 |
| doko | ImportError: could not import gtk | 06:56 |
| doko | make[3] : *** [check-local] Error 1 | 06:56 |
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| doko | strange | 06:56 |
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| seb128 | doko: weird | 06:56 |
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| doko | seb128: in the acinclude.m4, PYTHON_EMBED_LIBS is always set to link with the shared library; I'm wondering why that change was made | 06:57 |
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| doko | setting it to the empty string should allow you to link without -lpython | 06:58 |
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| pmitros | Page up. http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~pmitros/ubuntu-first-run.txt | 07:03 |
| seb128 | doko: for what package? python-vte? | 07:03 |
| doko | seb128: gnome-python | 07:03 |
| sabdfl | thanks pmitros | 07:04 |
| seb128 | doko: I've fixed the Depends on python2.4 problem, that's the python-dbg import which is still broken, no? | 07:05 |
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| doko | seb128: yes, trying to build in a newer chroot now | 07:06 |
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| jwendell | seb128, bugs are closed (tagged as fix released) in LP automatically now? from their changelogs? | 07:12 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 07:13 |
| seb128 | jwendell: no, I just copy the changelog when closing a bug, why? | 07:13 |
| jwendell | seb128, just curiosity, because bug 43050 | 07:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 43050 in vino "vino-server crashes after connect if resolution has been changed via xrandr" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43050 | 07:14 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 07:14 |
| seb128 | usually I close it with the comment | 07:14 |
| seb128 | but you closed it first :p | 07:14 |
| finalbeta | What does this spec do then? Should be closing bugs from the change log : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/changelog-closes-bugs | 07:14 |
| ogra | if a spec exists, that doesnt mean its implemented | 07:15 |
| jwendell | seb128, another curiosity: in that upload, you dropped patch 70_relibtoolize.patch: "dropped, the new tarball has been made with the Debian libtool". what did this patch do? | 07:15 |
| finalbeta | ogra: my mistake, I was thinking implemented means that it's implemented. | 07:15 |
| seb128 | jwendell: reduce inflated depends due to libtool | 07:16 |
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| ogra | oh, right, its set to implemented, hmm | 07:16 |
| seb128 | ogra: the Ubuntu parts is implemented | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | probably a mistake ogra | 07:16 |
| seb128 | ogra: needs launchpad work now | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 07:16 |
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| ogra | aha | 07:16 |
| imbrandon | what needed to be implmented in ubuntu ( other than just a set way to type it in the changelog ? heh ) | 07:17 |
| thom | imbrandon: changes to dpkg, one imagines | 07:17 |
| thom | dpkg-parsechangelog or whatever the hell it's called | 07:18 |
| imbrandon | ahh right, yea | 07:18 |
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| cjwatson | pmitros: if you're stuck for other methods, I'm happy to get an e-mail with a brief summary of installation problems (cjwatson@ubuntu.com). Can't promise to help with stuff outside the installer itself though | 07:23 |
| pmitros | cjwatson: I've been filing bug reports right now. They seem a bit frivilous, though. | 07:23 |
| pmitros | cjwatson: I'll e-mail it to you, and you can decide what to do. | 07:24 |
| pmitros | cjwatson: Thanks. | 07:24 |
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| tenco | what's the purpose of "/bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg"? | 07:37 |
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| thom | tenco: preventing klogd running as root | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | replacing = with spaces makes your question a lot less clear, BTW | 07:40 |
| cjwatson | (it's bs=1 if=/proc/kmsg etc.) | 07:40 |
| thom | cjwatson: dd loses its ='s in ps | 07:41 |
| cjwatson | ah | 07:41 |
| seb128 | doko: vte depends on python2.4 seems to be an upstream bug, there is a new tarball with "- Do not link to libpython in the python bindings" | 07:41 |
| tenco | thom: thanks. just wondered. this process does heavy disk i/o for over 15 min on my system | 07:42 |
| thom | cjwatson: (i have no idea why, though) | 07:42 |
| cjwatson | tenco: check /var/log/kern.log to see if your kernel is spewing vast numbers of error messages | 07:43 |
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| tenco | cjwatson: no. maybe it's another process, but i couldnt spot any in ps output which could cause this. it's a bit annoying, that's all (at least for desktop systems...) | 07:46 |
| doko | seb128: gnome-python: dpatch deapply-all | 07:51 |
| doko | reverting patch 01_dont_build_with_lpython from ./ ... failed. | 07:51 |
| doko | make: *** [unpatch] Error 1 | 07:51 |
| seb128 | clean target bugged? | 07:51 |
| doko | yes, thats the clean target | 07:53 |
| doko | seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/gnome-python.diff | 07:53 |
| seb128 | doko: does that fix the dbg package as well? | 07:54 |
| doko | yes | 07:54 |
| seb128 | good | 07:54 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering why it worked before | 07:54 |
| seb128 | I didn't drop any change to debian/rules | 07:54 |
| seb128 | doko: thanks ;) | 07:55 |
| doko | and we should link the gnome-vfs thing with -lpython. the other fix avoids generating the dependency on python2.4 | 07:55 |
| seb128 | ok | 07:55 |
| seb128 | the 01_dont_build_with_lpython patch can be dropped then, right? | 07:55 |
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| khermans__ | is there a doc for upstart? i am trying to investigate how Ubuntu Server can boot up so quickly | 08:16 |
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| cypher1 | khermans__, i remember a blog by keybuk | 08:20 |
| khermans__ | cypher1, i found it thx | 08:21 |
| cypher1 | are there any C++ projects actively being developed by ubuntu itself ? | 08:22 |
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| cjwatson | I can't think of any, assuming you mean "by Canonical's Ubuntu team itself"; it's pretty hard to say what breadth of stuff is being done across the whole Ubuntu community | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | oh, there may be some things in Kubuntu | 08:24 |
| cjwatson | it would make more sense there | 08:24 |
| cypher1 | cjwatson, something like bugsquad tools | 08:24 |
| cjwatson | doing that in C++ would be pretty odd | 08:24 |
| cjwatson | all the bugsquad software is in Python as far as I know | 08:24 |
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| cypher1 | cjwatson, no what i had meant was like that some other project | 08:25 |
| cypher1 | cjwatson, i was going thru the teams registered in launchpad.. 848 teams ! | 08:25 |
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| cypher1 | cjwatson, pretty difficult to find a project one like to contribute :( | 08:25 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: we're switching to 2.6.20-9 for Herd 5, aren't we? | 08:27 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: we are | 08:28 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: debian-installer upload coming up then | 08:28 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: great, thanks. | 08:30 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, did you get my ping about the -meta upload ? i see no accepted mail | 08:32 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: yes, but I've been at my father's place for dinner so I haven't caught up with everything yet. I'll tend to it in a minute. | 08:33 |
| cypher1 | cjwatson, one question regarding usplash, i am curious to know whether "No Usplash Timeout" spec code has been checked into feisty | 08:33 |
| ogra | oki, didnt want to be pushy ... | 08:33 |
| cjwatson | cypher1: no; you can tell from "Implementation: Deferred" on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/no-usplash-timeout | 08:34 |
| cypher1 | cjwatson, ok just understood that | 08:34 |
| cypher1 | cjwatson, thanks ! | 08:34 |
| cjwatson | no-usplash-timeout is an utterly trivial spec though - it really mostly exists to depend on the fsck progress fix that's necessary first | 08:35 |
| cjwatson | removing the timeout without adding fsck/usplash progress interaction would be harmful | 08:35 |
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| cypher1 | cjwatson, yes | 08:35 |
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| cliebow | fabbione:ping | 08:53 |
| fabbione | cliebow: pong? | 08:54 |
| cliebow | im experimenting with sun server..have kernel and initrd loaded but know what it wants for a | 08:54 |
| cliebow | enter filename [install] | 08:54 |
| cliebow | install seems not found | 08:54 |
| cliebow | ogra thought you might be able to help | 08:55 |
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| ogra | you should point out that its sparc sun :) | 08:55 |
| fabbione | cliebow: i have no idea what you are doing.. | 08:55 |
| cliebow | heh.. | 08:55 |
| fabbione | first.. what release are you trying to install | 08:55 |
| fabbione | and how | 08:55 |
| fabbione | and on what machine | 08:55 |
| cliebow | i have sun server 450e trying to put ubuntu on | 08:55 |
| cliebow | and edgy sparc release | 08:56 |
| cliebow | 6.10 | 08:56 |
| cliebow | 450r | 08:56 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: d-i in the queue, seed changes all committed | 08:56 |
| cliebow | my apologies..i am on low end of learning curve with this | 08:56 |
| fabbione | cliebow: how are you trying to install? | 08:57 |
| cliebow | cd | 08:57 |
| fabbione | and btw.. best if you use dapper | 08:57 |
| cliebow | ok.. | 08:57 |
| cliebow | ill give that whirl with dapper then | 08:57 |
| fabbione | well i still would like to understand where you see that message | 08:58 |
| cliebow | appreciate your input | 08:58 |
| fabbione | i don't recall anything asking me for a filename | 08:58 |
| ogra | sounds like a openfirmware prompt | 08:59 |
| fabbione | no it's not | 08:59 |
| cliebow | yeah it does doesnt it | 08:59 |
| cliebow | i see "losading kernel2.6.17 | 09:00 |
| fabbione | -ENOPARSE | 09:00 |
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| cliebow | loading initial ramdisk | 09:00 |
| cliebow | Illegal instruction | 09:00 |
| fabbione | ahhh | 09:00 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:00 |
| cliebow | {0}ok | 09:00 |
| fabbione | known problem | 09:00 |
| fabbione | with plenty of bugs | 09:00 |
| cliebow | To you maybe 8!) | 09:00 |
| cliebow | so try dapper? | 09:00 |
| fabbione | it might not solve it.. not even feisty | 09:00 |
| cliebow | i see..it is not like i paid anything for it..but hate to see 2 gig of ram go to the dug hole | 09:01 |
| cliebow | and quad processor | 09:01 |
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| fabbione | cliebow: i have heard tons of stories on how to fix that error | 09:02 |
| fabbione | we still don't know what's the real cause of it | 09:02 |
| fabbione | suggestions: | 09:02 |
| fabbione | - update OBP | 09:02 |
| fabbione | - poweroff and keep the machine off for 1 minute and power on again | 09:02 |
| fabbione | - try netbooting | 09:02 |
| fabbione | - install solaris -> update the world -> install linux | 09:03 |
| cliebow | i will try two of three 8~) | 09:03 |
| fabbione | - oh.. try to remove a gig of ram for the fun | 09:03 |
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| fabbione | you may never know | 09:03 |
| fabbione | seriously.. this is the most annoying bug EVAR | 09:04 |
| cliebow | thanks for the suggestions | 09:04 |
| fabbione | no problem | 09:04 |
| fabbione | sorry i can't help more than this | 09:04 |
| cliebow | very good..!!i owe you a heineken.. | 09:05 |
| cliebow | or two | 09:05 |
| fabbione | brrrrrrr.... | 09:05 |
| fabbione | heineken? | 09:05 |
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| fabbione | that's like milk for breakfast :P | 09:06 |
| cliebow | i hope that is a good thing..i believe we sat at the bar for a little in Monreal last | 09:06 |
| cliebow | ubz | 09:06 |
| fabbione | probably | 09:07 |
| cliebow | ill get out of your hair...Happy Day! | 09:07 |
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| fabbione | thanks.. cya | 09:11 |
| cliebow | cya! | 09:11 |
| khermans__ | cliebow, dapper worked for me on my sunblade 150 where edgy failed | 09:12 |
| cliebow | Thanks:ill go after that then! | 09:14 |
| cliebow | Back to ltsp... | 09:15 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: +mount -t tmpfs -o size=mode=0755 udev /dev | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: isn't there a comma missing there, or size= should go away? | 09:23 |
| Keybuk | oops | 09:25 |
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| Keybuk | serves me right for re-editing after testing, instead of copying the tested version | 09:25 |
| Keybuk | can you reject that | 09:25 |
| Mithrandir | yes, I'll do that. | 09:25 |
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| Mithrandir | (done) | 09:25 |
| Keybuk | thanks | 09:26 |
| khermans__ | anyone know if or can tell me how to see if Garziks Native Command Queuing (NCQ) for SATA was backported from his patch on 2.6.18 into the 2.6.17 Edgy kernel? | 09:27 |
| mjg59 | We didn't | 09:27 |
| khermans__ | mjg59, how would i find details of things like this in the future? | 09:27 |
| mjg59 | khermans__: Check the kernel changelog? | 09:28 |
| khermans__ | mjg59, there is a specific ubuntu kernel changelog somehwre? | 09:28 |
| mjg59 | /usr/share/docs/linux-image-foo/changelog.Debian | 09:28 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, do the iso cronscripts run tonight, or are you on manual already ? | 09:28 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: they run tonight. Or rather, tomorrow morning. | 09:29 |
| ogra | ok, thanks ... | 09:29 |
| ogra | i just want to make sure i see what the seed changes affect in tomorrows build | 09:30 |
| ogra | so i have enough time to revert stuff if anything breaks | 09:30 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: does dia follow gnome release schedule, etc? (And should be regarded as part of the gnome RC release?) | 09:34 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, yes | 09:35 |
| ogra | at least according to seb128's ping frequency ... if new releases are out ... | 09:35 |
| ogra | :P | 09:35 |
| zul | *grumble* | 09:35 |
| zul | sorry.. | 09:35 |
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| sbalneav | I would like to suggest that *buntu come configured with mozex by default, with the text editor set up for vim, so that editing wiki pages can be done sanely from within vi, as opposed to a textbox in the browser. | 09:41 |
| sbalneav | Thank you for your attention :) | 09:41 |
| ogra | sbalneav, asac is the right address for such prayers | 09:43 |
| sbalneav | heh, I was just joking | 09:43 |
| sbalneav | Like anyone other than insane people like me want to edit wiki pages in vi :) | 09:43 |
| sbalneav | Oh! Crumb! This isnt #edubuntu! | 09:44 |
| ogra | hehe | 09:44 |
| ogra | many people would agree about mozex though i guess :) | 09:45 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: no, they don't, we have a 0.96pre version though and 0.96 is planned for soon | 09:45 |
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| ogra | seb128, but we agreed that it is in the general exception in hoary or breezy i think ... | 09:46 |
| seb128 | ogra: dunno about that, they don't roll new tarballs every 2 weeks, etc though so they don't follow GNOME cycle | 09:47 |
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| spacey | is /var/run a special device? During startup its complaining its expecting /var/run to be a special device. As far as i can see it is just a normal directory? (happened after a little var moving) | 10:01 |
| spacey | i know it would mount a tmpfs on /var/run but i don't see why it can't now | 10:01 |
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| mjg59 | crimsun: Hm. 2.6.20-9 still doesn't give me sound loving on an MBP. | 10:17 |
| mjg59 | crimsun: Headphones work fine | 10:19 |
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| Riddell | mvo_: I fixed a bug in dist-upgrade tool in update-manager bzr, could you upload a new version to whereever it goes? | 10:26 |
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| mvo_ | Riddell: it should be available via a normal update-maanger upload now, fancy to test this? alternatively I can do it via the "old" mechanism | 10:29 |
| Riddell | mvo_: sure, I can try that | 10:30 |
| mvo_ | Riddell: pleae do, thanks! | 10:30 |
| Riddell | mvo_: current version in ubuntu is 0.57.2, in bzr is 1:0.57.6 | 10:31 |
| Riddell | why the epoch? and why the missing versions? | 10:31 |
| mvo | Riddell: because the old raw-dist-upgrader had versions like 20061102.1 | 10:31 |
| Riddell | mvo: ok | 10:32 |
| mvo | Riddell: and the missing versions are because of a bunch of problems with the uploads (rejections, ftbfs because of python-apt breakage) | 10:32 |
| mvo | Riddell: rejection because of version nubmer to low for example | 10:32 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: don't accept gnome-python 2.17.92-0ubuntu3 if you didn't do it yet | 11:03 |
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| sebest | seb128: ping | 11:19 |
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| seb128 | sebest: pong | 11:19 |
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| sebest | hello, do you remember about the modifications with default samba config to allow nautilus-share to work out of box? | 11:20 |
| sebest | enabling net usershare | 11:20 |
| seb128 | yeah | 11:21 |
| seb128 | I need to talk to infinity about it | 11:21 |
| sebest | i posted on the mailing list, but there was no answer | 11:21 |
| seb128 | I know | 11:21 |
| seb128 | it's on the list of things we need to fix | 11:22 |
| seb128 | might be for feisty+1 though, feisty is feature frozen atm and the changes are non trivial | 11:22 |
| seb128 | changing samba might be ok, nautilus-share still had to be promoted, add an user, etc | 11:22 |
| sebest | add a user? | 11:22 |
| seb128 | for the shared directory | 11:23 |
| seb128 | or a group | 11:23 |
| seb128 | no? | 11:23 |
| sebest | yes a group | 11:23 |
| sebest | but this must be in the samba package | 11:23 |
| seb128 | and the location of that directory needs to be discussed, etc | 11:23 |
| seb128 | right | 11:23 |
| seb128 | that's why it might be for feisty+1 | 11:23 |
| sebest | i understand | 11:23 |
| seb128 | there is also the duplication with shares-admin | 11:23 |
| seb128 | nautilus-share is better for smb | 11:24 |
| seb128 | shares-admin do NFS though | 11:24 |
| seb128 | not sure how much users benefit from that | 11:24 |
| sebest | yes, nfs sharing... | 11:24 |
| sebest | mostly a server feature imo | 11:24 |
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| gilligan_ | i hope this doesn't fall under support leading to me being flamed for asking... :) BUT: I am testing feisty herd4 right now, and grub installation fails because the installation uses RAID and grub won't know where to install without first registering the device properly (device (hd0) /dev/maper/blabla..) -- ANYWAY: What other steps follow the grub installation that I should perhaps manually invoke now so that I can actually te | 12:01 |
| gilligan_ | st and run the installation at all ? | 12:01 |
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| gilligan_ | oops ..that got kinda long :) | 12:01 |
| mooey | gilligan_, you might want to try #ubuntu+1 if you have not already | 12:03 |
| seb128 | doko: your patch breaks the non-debug gnome-python modules | 12:04 |
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| gilligan_ | mooey, oh okay -- well I had a look at #ubuntu and quite honestly the "bullshit traffic" in there is so high it is hard to take | 12:04 |
| mooey | ubuntu+1 is a little quieter | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | gilligan_: i know i've just come in, but that still doesnt make this a support channel. | 12:06 |
| gilligan_ | Hobbsee, yes that is very true. I'm sorry.. I thought given that i am actually installing feisty for the sake of testing i would be forgiven.. :] | 12:07 |
| gilligan_ | Hobbsee, but that's beside the point.sorry again, I gonna shut up now :) | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | gilligan_: like i say, i didnt see the backscroll | 12:09 |
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| Hobbsee | gilligan_: also, depends if anyone here is awake/responding or not | 12:09 |
| gilligan_ | Hobbsee, oh ooops, you just joined..right | 12:09 |
| Hobbsee | gilligan_: right - i'd check if there are bugs on raid that mention feisty | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | gilligan_: otherwise, i'd ask cjwatson if he knows about the problems with raid in the installer, after you've filed a bug (bugs make great todo lists, not irc queries :) ) | 12:10 |
| gilligan_ | hehe | 12:11 |
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