[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #87472 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Using chmod 400 ~/.recently-used does not work for the .xbel file" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87472
[12:36] <nixternal> shush Ubugtu
[03:28] <nixternal> what happened to the scanmodem utility?
[03:28] <nixternal> err, this is going to require some research unfortunately
[03:31] <nixternal> there is no way for us to document setting up a Linmodem, it would be the largest document ever
[03:31] <nixternal> I am looking at the linmodem.org website and it is nuts
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: I have dialup and home and a linmodem in my machine.  Prior to using Linux I didn't know what a winmodem even was.  Imagine how much fun my first week after my Hoary disks came was.  ;)
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> You're best shot at documenting it is "Use scanModem and send it to the linmodems.org mailing list.  Let them handle you."
[03:37] <tonyyarusso> *Your
[03:38] <nixternal> ya, this is for the system docs though
[03:38] <nixternal> I think what I will do is kind of hold their hand and point them to linmodems.org truthfully
[03:39] <nixternal> there are up to 500+ win/lin modem installations
[03:39] <tonyyarusso> Yeah
[03:40] <nixternal> I am chatting with a linmodem guy now. he said it would take us over a year to document each type, and by the time we finished, most of the docs would be outdated
[03:40] <nixternal> haha, lovely
[03:40] <nixternal> he just said the same thing as you, point them to their site
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> lolz
[03:40] <nixternal> I have a winmodem, I wonder if it even works
[03:40] <Admiral_Chicago> thats what i would do.
[03:41] <nixternal> dude, there is an old bug concerning getting this documented, no reason reinventing the wheel, plus we couldn't use their docs since they are gfdl anyways
[03:42] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the problem with GFDL?
[03:42] <nixternal> we are silly CC-by-SA
[03:43] <Admiral_Chicago> oh really...hmm
[03:43] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: how busy are you?
[03:44] <nixternal> I need someone to briefly document Kubuntu System Settings, shorthand would work so I can do a quick write up of each subtopic
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> just doing a bit of code. i can work
[03:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on it
[03:44] <nixternal> are you familiar with XML at all?
[03:45] <nixternal> let me meinproc this code really quick and get you a copy so you can understand my layout
[03:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i *know* XMl so far as I know the accronym / its applications.
[03:45] <Admiral_Chicago> okay.
[03:45] <nixternal> lol
[03:46] <nixternal> xml is pretty easy tagging wise
[03:46] <nixternal> DocBook makes it easier as well
[03:47] <Admiral_Chicago> well I have system settings open and I'm looking working on it.
[03:47] <Admiral_Chicago> we can worry about formatting when we have content. :)
[03:48] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: http://nixternal.com/docs/kubuntu/sysset-tmp/
[03:48] <nixternal> everything under the bold headers (i.e., Personal, Look & Feel, etc.) like About Me, Accessibility and what not
[03:49] <nixternal> just take KWord or whatever you use and write a brief description of what you can do with it, i.e., 1 or 2 lines
[03:49] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: on it
[03:49] <nixternal> I should have Mike do this since this is his baby, but oh well
[03:50] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: make it good so it makes my job easier and of course makes me look a little better than what I do now :)
[03:50] <nixternal> and I will get you some pimpage in the contribs file for system documentation
[03:50] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: truthfully, you have a couple of days if you would like to work on it
[03:51] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: nah truthfully I do have time and this is something I can do
[03:51] <Admiral_Chicago> so tonight I can look at something
[03:52] <nixternal> rock on
[03:52] <nixternal> just email it to me when you are done, and I can check it over and let you know
[03:52] <nixternal> thanks!
[03:52] <nixternal> oooh, I am hiring RJ right nwo
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: documentation away...
[04:13] <nixternal> go go go
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> just making sure its good so far
[04:14] <nixternal> did you email me?
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> yup
[04:15] <nixternal> making a phone call, bbiaf
[04:32] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3870 kubuntu/ (network/C/network.xml system-settings/C/system-settings.xml): work work work
[04:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3871 kubuntu/firefox-startpage/kubuntu.css: good eye Jucato, changed the header background color
[04:41] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: I replied to your email, but that is exactly what I am interested in
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: sweetness
[04:48] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, i haven't ran this through a spell checker, i run it through nano and kate.
[04:49] <nixternal> that's fine
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> I think nano has spell-check, actually.  I remember doing that once.
[04:53] <Admiral_Chicago> f 10 i think
[04:55] <Admiral_Chicago> f 12 but it failed for some reason
[05:19] <Admiral_Chicago> there is another one..
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: does it work?
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> err better question, is that good so far?
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i think I'll tackle one more section before the night is out
[05:28] <nixternal> can't tell you
[05:29] <nixternal> Feisty users,don't upgrade, otherwise you will have a wasted system for the time being
[05:29] <j1mc> no sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade tonight?  what'll it do?
[05:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i upgraded today...just finished..i'll just not shut down
[05:31] <nixternal> j1mc: it will leave you with tty1-6
[05:31] <Admiral_Chicago> is it the kernel?
[05:31] <j1mc> ah
[05:31] <Admiral_Chicago> it's on -9 now
[05:32] <nixternal> nah it isn't the kernel
[05:32] <nixternal> this lappy is hosed with the -8 and the -9 kernel
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> no problems here. i'm looking at a bug report...i'll let you know in the other channel
[05:35] <LaserJock> nixternal: what's hosed?
[05:35] <nixternal> x-windows
[05:35] <nixternal> I am guessing
[05:36] <nixternal> it is saying my last line in my xorg.conf is booged, but it is fine
[05:36] <nixternal> I have been using the same xorg.conf for a month now
[05:36] <nixternal> man I need this lappy for the morning too for school. I have to present my program
[05:36] <nixternal> what updates were there tonight?
[05:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: get rid of xorg.conf
[05:40] <nixternal> did that
[05:40] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:41] <LaserJock> and it still complains?
[05:42] <nixternal> ya, trying something really quick
[05:42] <nixternal> brb
[05:43] <LaserJock> I moved xorg.conf aside and restarted X and it worked fine
[05:44] <nixternal> yay
[05:45] <nixternal> LaserJock: what was that all about?
[05:45] <nixternal> I did dpkg-reconfigure
[05:45] <nixternal> 2nd time was a charm
[05:45] <LaserJock> we no long have xorg.confs
[05:45] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[05:45] <nixternal> wth?
[05:45] <nixternal> for real
[05:45] <LaserJock> xorg 7.2 has automagical stuff
[05:45] <LaserJock> it configs each time
[05:45] <LaserJock> no more config files
[05:46] <nixternal> lordy lordy that is nice?
[05:46] <nixternal> so I can remove my xorg.conf totally/
[05:46] <LaserJock> we'll see how well it works
[05:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:46] <nixternal> how do I enable composite for Beryl?
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> awesome
[05:46] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:46] <nixternal> heh
[05:46] <LaserJock> maybe it enables it if it's ok
[05:47] <nixternal> well I am going to try
[05:47] <LaserJock> it seems to work fine on my lappy
[05:47] <LaserJock> but I don't use anything fancy
[05:53] <nixternal> I found a downfall to no xorg.conf
[05:54] <nixternal> I have 2 mice once again
[05:54] <nixternal> I can't make changes to the xorg.conf to turn on the silly synaptics option to shut off the mouse when an external is plugged in
[05:56] <highvoltage> nixternal: quitter! :)
[05:58] <nixternal> haha
[05:58] <nixternal> this new xorg sucks
[05:58] <nixternal> I am sorry, I can't have this silly synaptics touchpad enabled the entire time
[05:59] <nixternal> I always hit it when I type
[05:59] <highvoltage> you can fine tune synaptics settings
[05:59] <LaserJock> you just need to find out how that's being handled nowadays
[05:59] <highvoltage> what you can do is, make it so insensitive, that you have to hammer it to get a response
[06:00] <highvoltage> nixternal: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/xorg.conf
[06:01] <highvoltage> look under the section "InputDevice"
[06:01] <highvoltage> you can copy and paste that into your Xorg.conf and make your touchpad less sensative, that way you can still use it, when you really want to
[06:01] <nixternal> ya, I need that SHMConfig enabled, which I had in my old xorg.conf
[06:01] <nixternal> which wouldn't boot
[06:02] <nixternal> my xorg.conf is gone, not here no more. 7.2 doesn't have it/use it
[06:02] <nixternal> I am wondering if 7.2 doesn't like the composite stuff
[06:03] <nixternal> omg the pissed off masses are coming!
[06:03] <nixternal> they can't use beryl!!!
[06:03] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:03] <nixternal> ooh, they can
[06:03] <Admiral_Chicago> too bad :(
[06:03] <nixternal> composite works
[06:04] <nixternal> quite crappy, but it works
[06:16] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[06:16] <nixternal> a little late for you isn't it?
[06:19] <jjesse> just got into the hotel in provo utah
[06:19] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:20] <nixternal> where did you fly out of?
[06:20] <jjesse> grand rapids
[06:20] <jjesse> grand rapids -> denver -> salt lake cirty
[06:23] <nixternal> fun
[06:24] <nixternal> I am hoping to have the Kubuntu docs complete here within the next few days so they can be proofed
[06:25] <jjesse> yeah i need to fiish the chpt for deb
[06:25] <nixternal> hopefully get about a week of proofing in, then submit for translations
[07:48] <LaserJock> nixternal: is your edubuntu-docs package ready to upload?
[07:48] <nixternal> ummm, no
[07:48] <nixternal> the handbook is garbag
[07:48] <nixternal> e
[07:48] <nixternal> it isn't complete, never been proofed
[07:49] <LaserJock> well, is it going to be ready before March 8th?
[07:49] <LaserJock> at least pretty much there
[07:49] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[07:49] <nixternal> there is its current state
[07:50] <nixternal> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/intro-installtype.html
[07:51] <nixternal> for instance, there are a lot of those pages that people said they would work on, however they disappeared
[07:51] <nixternal> I don't know how I got stuck with the whole thing, my job was to guide them, get them in our repos, and help them when needed (them being hedgemage, pygi, and such), but they all split
[07:52] <LaserJock> basic concepts is missing too :/
[07:52] <nixternal> I want to get it done, but seeing as I am the only one on Kubuntu docs, it is kind of tough
[07:52] <nixternal> LaserJock: maybe we can theive a little bit from ubuntu-docs?
[07:52] <LaserJock> well sure, I'm not saying you have to write the whole dar thing
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll proof a bit if you need me to
[07:52] <LaserJock> *darn
[07:52] <LaserJock> we can basically remove sections we don't get done
[07:53] <LaserJock> I'm just wondering if we'll have anything worth putting edubuntu-docs in Main for
[07:53] <nixternal> LaserJock: OK, I will go through them in the next couple of days and see exactly where we are
[07:53] <LaserJock> do you have a working edubuntu-docs package I could upload?
[07:53] <nixternal> about-edubuntu, releasenotes?, school advocacy
[07:54] <nixternal> I had that old one which needed the license stuff fixed and what not
[07:54] <LaserJock> I just saw pitti was up and was going to get him to do a MIR if we are set
[07:54] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty-package/
[07:55] <nixternal> that is the same as before though
[07:55] <LaserJock> which need the proper licensing, right?
[07:55] <nixternal> correct
[07:55] <nixternal> I swore you fixed that already, or did you fix some other licensing issues?
[07:56] <nixternal> next cycle will be a little bit better, as there won't be as much Kubuntu work, unless by the grace of God KDE 4 evolves
[07:56] <nixternal> but after freeze and importing translations, I am going to be hoofing it in the KDE camp for a bit working on some KDE 4 pieces
[07:58] <LaserJock> I fixed some other licensing stuff
[07:58] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[07:58] <LaserJock> but you need to make sure it's ok to relicense Edubuntu docs
[07:58] <nixternal> Will said it was, but I would confer with him again on it
[07:59] <nixternal> Will said do whatever so book implmentations could make their way in
[07:59] <LaserJock> then make sure to update the bookinfo files to the same as Ubuntu's
[08:00] <nixternal> ahh, I was lost for a sec. Gotcha, with the single &legalnotice; or whatever it is?
[08:01] <LaserJock> that might be all
[08:02] <LaserJock> the .omf needs updating
[08:02] <LaserJock> make sure it's CC 2.5
[08:02] <nixternal> roger dodger
[08:03] <nixternal> I can work on it from class
[08:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: would you mind popping an email to me letting me know what all needs to be done?
[08:03] <nixternal> and tomorrow in between classes I will work on it, get into the lab and get a pre-release upload
[08:03] <LaserJock> k
[08:03] <nixternal> and I will work on the Handbook this week along side the kubuntu stuff trying to fill it up
[08:04] <nixternal> I would love to have a week of proofing though
[08:04] <nixternal> at least
[08:04] <nixternal> crim$un will burn his eyeballs out proofing :)
[08:08] <nixternal> oh you will do proofing
[08:08] <nixternal> you are under my reigns here in Chicago homey!
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> gah...I have break the 9th of March, so throw any work you want at me
[08:09] <nixternal> I am the mob boss around here. I am Tony Soprano, you are, I don't know Pauly? Christopher?
[08:09] <nixternal> doesn't matter who you are really, you are about to get whacked
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm like...the bartender at your speakeasy
[08:09] <nixternal> haha
[08:09] <nixternal> or a dancer at the bada bing
[08:09] <nixternal> gahahahahha
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> lol. that's RJ
[08:10] <nixternal> alright, bed time
[08:10] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks! I hope to have some more work for you this week on it, I apologize for a little ball droppage on this one as well
[08:12] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:33] <LaserJock> hmm, where has mdke gone?
[09:38] <Madpilot> !now london
[09:38] <Madpilot> @now london
[09:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/London: February 27 2007, 08:38:56
[09:39] <Madpilot> enroute to work?
[09:40] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3872 edubuntu/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * edubuntu license fix
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  - SchoolAdvocacy moved to CC-BY-SA 2.5
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  - Edubuntu Release Notes moved to CC-BY-SA 2.5
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  - About Edubuntu moved to CC-BY-SA 2.5
[10:13] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * removed about-edubuntu legal.xml as it wasn't used anywhere
[11:15] <mooey> howdy. i'm triaging a bug about documentation in the desktop guide. i have filed it against the package 'ubuntu-docs', should i ask the reporter to refile it under the 'ubuntu-doc' product in launchpad?
[08:01] <nixternal> LaserJock_: I am here now :)
[08:01] <nixternal> sitting in the uni library, going to work on that package now
[08:01] <LaserJock_> nixternal: so you got my email?
[08:02] <nixternal> last night, yes
[08:02] <nixternal> I will make them install to edubuntu/ and change the omf files
[08:16] <nixternal> LaserJock_: Will has a patch for Edubuntu docs, yay! it adds a little more meat
[08:17] <LaserJock_> yeah, saw that
[08:17] <nixternal> I will apply that before doing this package
[08:19] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3873 edubuntu/handbook/C/introduction.xml: Will's introduction patch for the Edubuntu Handbook
[08:20] <nixternal> LaserJock_: gnome/help/edubuntu?
[08:22] <LaserJock_> yeah, you'll need to test it to make sure it still works
[08:22] <LaserJock_> but it seems logical that it would
[08:22] <nixternal> it will work, I can't test until tonight though, KDE only currently (and forever)
[08:31] <LaserJock_> nixternal: if you get the source package all ready I can test
[08:32] <nixternal> OK. Doing them now
[08:33] <nixternal> LaserJock_: I see what you mean about the lib files going everything
[08:33] <nixternal> err, everywhere
[08:35] <nixternal> I just noticed that the Ubuntu debian/copyright has GFDL and CC-by-SA 2.5
[08:35] <nixternal> ahh, nevermind, misread, got it
[08:38] <nixternal> LaserJock_: v0.4-1ubuntu1 for the release?
[08:38] <nixternal> shoot
[08:39] <LaserJock_> what is it now?
[08:39] <nixternal> haha, what version should I use for this package?
[08:40] <nixternal> the last changelog v was 19-May-2006 and was 0.4-1
[08:40] <nixternal> 0.5-1 for this one?
[08:45] <nixternal> LaserJock_: I have to head to class now, so this will have to wait a few hours
[08:45] <LaserJock_> k, I have to head to work, it's almost noon
[08:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3874 edubuntu/debian/ (changelog copyright install rules): edubuntu-docs ready for packaging
[09:16] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3875 edubuntu/ (4 files in 4 dirs): now its ready for packaging
[11:56] <h4writer> is it normal it takes a time before I mail something and it get on the archives of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/ ?
[11:57] <h4writer> *before => after
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> I think so, yes.
[11:57] <h4writer> okey, I wasn't sure, thanks
[12:05] <LaserJock> h4writer: I got your email
[12:14] <h4writer> (y)
[12:15] <h4writer> LaserJock: now hoping someone fix those things quickly, so I can work further. (I'm a bit workless now:p)