=== Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-107-150.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === stgraber [n=stgraber@unaffiliated/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === holycow [n=hello@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kkubasik [n=kjk38@192.5.109.49] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th [n=manugarg@220.225.228.97] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th [n=manugarg@220.225.228.97] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === m0rg0th [n=manugarg@220.225.228.97] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === abogani [n=abogani@adsl203-157-083.mclink.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-7.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === arun_ [n=arun@chobie.cs.Virginia.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === rikai [n=rikai@unaffiliated/rikai] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === abogani [n=abogani@adsl203-157-083.mclink.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Eruantalon [n=hans@5634185c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-7.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === stgraber [n=stgraber@client80-83-51-125.abo.net2000.ch] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Zyrkon [n=Zyrkon@V332f.v.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:23] good morning, folks [12:24] i've noticed today that - when i upgraded my feisty kernel - it automatically tried to recompile a proprietary modem module i have on my system [12:24] this is a new feature, right? === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:53] BenC, ? === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:58] Was any sound driver update recently done in Feisty ? [01:59] I just have no sound anymore and only the PCM mixer in gnome-mixer :) === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-7.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === gismo_ [n=stef@178.246.6.195.dynamic.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:41] jwendell: No, sounds like the prop modem driver did that, not us [03:41] hello all [03:42] stgraber: Try alsamixe [03:42] alsamixer [03:42] I submited a bug last week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15/+bug/86848 [03:42] but we still don't have news [03:42] BenC, hmmm, smart driver, no? :) [03:43] jwendell: smart packaging (probably an init script) [03:44] lionel on ubuntu-motu just confirmed the bug and I tell to ask here === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:02] BenC: I've updated initramfs-tools to get rid of the 10MB size limit for /dev [04:02] so beware there's an ubuntu4 in the queue [04:03] Keybuk: Ok, thanks [04:04] Keybuk: what caused you to hit a 10Meg limit in /dev? :) [04:04] bootchart [04:04] the Debian bug that caused the 10MB being added to initramfs-tools complained that it was disjoint with their udev package [04:05] since our udev package doesn't have a 10MB limit either ... the bug was invalid for Ubuntu :p [04:11] BenC: same result as gnome-mixer : two playback channels pcm and mic with PCM doing strictly nothing [04:12] BenC: it's one of those HDA sound card [04:12] crimsun, how much do you know about hda_intel cards? [04:13] stgraber: File a bug, noting that it regressed in -9, and assign it to the Ubuntu Audio Team [04:13] ok, will do [04:13] kylem: I think one of crimsun's patches for hda regressed that actually [04:13] it's the only changes in the kernel for sound [04:13] eh? [04:14] my question was this Intel SDV exposes the pci device, but has no codec attached. was wondering if this is normal. :) [04:14] BenC: Any information I should attach from the -8 and -9 ? (dmesg doesn't give much information) [04:15] stgraber: There's a wiki on what to supply with audio bugs, but mainly "lspci -vvn" and "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#*" seem to be the most useful [04:16] ok, thank you [04:23] stgraber: which codec? [04:23] kylem: I know of a regression for conexant 504[57] that's fixed already, was too tired last night to push it [04:24] crimsun, this is not production hardware, so it's entirely possible that it is just missing the codec chip. [04:24] essentially, jack sense broke and does the precise opposite of what is intended (plug in headphones -> sound out of both speakers and headphones; unplug headphones -> no sound) [04:25] crimsun: ALC861 [04:25] kylem: ok, can you get lspci -vvn ? [04:25] unfortunately no. i can tell you that it's ICH8... [04:26] stgraber: right, when you've filed a bug with the info from DebuggingSoundProblems, I'll take a look after lectures [04:27] kylem: hmm, any additional codec info? [04:27] crimsun, i'll poke at it in a bit and let you know, the machine is powered off atm. [04:27] kylem: ok, thanks === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:42] crimsun: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/88400 [04:42] crimsun: Feel free to ask if you need any more information from the working or non-working kernel [04:43] ack, beta? [04:43] I can't log in there, using non-beta [04:43] just remove beta. [04:43] (I did) [04:49] stgraber: err, the codec and SSID are correct. Have you unmuted 'Mixer' and 'Line'? [04:49] that shouldn't be a regression at all, that's verified working for hardware from upstream [04:50] I can't :) [04:50] there are both in the Capture section [04:50] and I can't set a volume or mute/unmute them [04:51] ok, can you mute 'Mic'? [04:51] yes [04:51] still inaudible? (with speaker-test, let's say) [04:52] I just tried with playing a mp3 file (mplayer -ao alsa) and changing all the settings I can and strictly no change ... 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[09:14] kylem: Might be helpful [09:14] [17179579.020000] current capacity is 66055248 sectors (33820 MB) [09:14] [17179579.020000] native capacity is 234493056 sectors (120060 MB) [09:14] yow. [09:15] ... [09:15] i wonder if some vendor is selling modern sized disk as replacement for old small disk just by using HPA. [09:15] Really? [09:15] Oh, yeah, that's likely [09:15] Windows will just blindly respect it, I imagine. [09:15] kylem: Some disks are set to 32GB because Award BIOSes older than 1999 or so will explode [09:15] The Windows driver sets them back to full size during boot [09:16] so basically /everyone/ dumps the HPA... [09:16] Nah, these are usually drivers that come with the disk [09:52] huh. my ps2 keyboard stopped working. [10:05] BenC: I've just sent you a patch to let appletouch actually bind to recent Macs [10:06] mjg59: I thought you already sent me that patch [10:06] I sent one for appleir [10:07] ah, that's the one I remember then [10:07] kylem: Odd, I didn't get that email [10:07] BenC: Though, looking at the code, the one I just sent was insufficient [10:07] and I'm sure I sub'd to that list [10:07] BenC: Hang on, I'll update [10:07] maybe you got bounced? :) [10:07] mjg59: Ok [10:11] BenC: New one sent === ivoks [n=ivoks@23-23.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:32] mjg59: Thanks. I have a patch backlog that should go in tonight [10:32] BenC: No problem [10:33] I've one or two more minor Apple fixes to go [10:33] Will try to send them this evening [10:33] (Also, this machine compiles stuff bloody quickly) [10:40] mjg59: what sort of machine you using for builds now? [10:40] MBP? [10:40] trying to get my xeon upgraded to quad-core still [10:40] heh. [10:40] MBP at the moment [10:40] why haven't you? [10:41] kylem: waiting on "them" [10:41] Desktop core 2 otherwise [10:41] mjg59: Ah, yeah, my core2duo laptop compiled pretty quick [10:41] dual 2.33GHz with 2GB of RAM [10:41] It's the fastest machine I have [10:42] BenC, did you see the mail from "them" today? :) [10:42] mine's only 1.82GHz [10:42] 1.83 I mean [10:42] kylem: yeah, send them your address [10:42] Hm. We should ask Apple for permission to redestribute the firmware for the isight [10:42] someone should spec hacks for migration-assitant to copy all the windows drivers on livecd install. [10:43] so you can cut the firmware out. [10:43] (or mac os x drivers, clearly) [10:43] <- not volunteering, mind you. ;-P [10:43] mjg59: Not sure how well an email asking "Can you redistribute your firmware to facilitate a competing OS" will go over :) [10:43] kylem: Hm. Not a bad idea. [10:43] BenC: Haha. [10:43] BenC: Well, nothing to lose. Do we have people to handle this sort of thing? [10:44] mjg59: Yeah, we usually sick sabdfl on them [10:44] BenC, we don't really compete... [10:44] certainly not in battery life. ;-) === kylem ducks & runs. [10:44] Jesus. The build's finished already. [10:44] ah, to have decent batter life on linux [10:44] That's < 15 minutes for a full build [10:45] Though only one flavour [10:45] Ooh. Actually, it bailed partway through. [10:45] damn you and your speedy machines. [10:45] Right. it's actually going to take a bit longer now [10:46] Since it failed part-way through ubuntu [10:46] hm, I talked to someone from SARA at FOSDEM; they do linux kernel builds in 47 seconds and less :) [10:46] Ha === kylem usually builds in < 1 minute. [10:47] but i usually don't build all the crap ubuntu does. ;P [10:47] of course, they are a cluster research centre ;) [10:47] er s/crap/fine community supported drivers/ === Zyrkon [n=Zyrkon@V3caa.v.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:49] kylem: such diplomacy is admirable === kkubasi1 [n=kjk38@kjk38-laptop.student.cwru.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === arun_ [n=arun@chobie.cs.Virginia.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:05] kylem: heh... === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:06] damn...I forgot what I was going to say.. [11:06] how is it going Kyle? === kkubasi1 [n=kjk38@kjk38-laptop.student.cwru.edu] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [11:25] Hm. I've managed to build myself a kernel that won't boot. [11:25] "runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c" [11:25] If I've build myself the wrong architecture, I'll be jolly upset === rotarychainsaw_ [n=bj@68.38.180.249] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:46] Ah, no [11:46] It just turns out that cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage isn't what you want to do on amd64 [11:47] BenC: New patch for applesmc in flight [11:47] mjg59, hehe. [11:47] Just adds the PNP ID so it'll be autoloaded [11:47] Should really convert it to a proper PNP driver for resource allocation, but, well [11:48] gah. so much to do. so little day left.