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animimotushi12:23
animimotusit's here where we can ask for a backport?12:24
animimotusfor conky12:24
animimotusI have made a bug report in bugzilla12:25
animimotussome weeks ago :)12:25
animimotusplease, send the bits ^^12:26
lionelanimimotus: you have the process here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess12:27
lionelanimimotus: I can not find your bug report12:28
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Adri2000pochu: congrats :)12:53
pochuAdri2000: ty :)12:53
pochuI'm aboard :)12:54
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pochunight motus! :)02:15
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bddebianHeya gang02:37
tonyyarussohey02:37
geserhi bddebian02:37
bddebianHello tonyyarusso, how's it coming?02:37
bddebianHeya geser02:37
tonyyarussobddebian: a little better.  I talked to the lead Ubuntu Mozilla dev and some folks from Linspire today, and got some good suggestions about the issues I've been having, so we'll see where that gets me.02:38
tonyyarussoAlso, it is officially going to be allowed to be Nvu, so I can stop worrying about naming nuttiness.02:39
bddebianGreat02:43
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bddebianman it's quiet in here tonight04:10
ajmitchbecause some of us are working04:11
bddebianBah :)04:11
nixternalhi, I want to be a UTOM, what do I have to do?04:11
bddebianWorking is over-rated :-)04:11
nixternalajmitch either lied or made a damn good funny :)04:11
ajmitchlied?04:12
ajmitchwhy you say I lie?04:12
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LaserJockimbrandon: pingy pingy05:12
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bddebianCONTENTLESS PING, CONTENTLESS PING!!05:14
bddebian:)05:15
LaserJockof course05:15
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boredandbloggingwhats the page on the wiki for newbies interested in MOTU? like a page describing what mailing lists to sign up and process to even be MOTU hopeful? I'm interested in packaging ArgoUML05:18
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment05:19
RAOFboredandblogging: First, you don't need to be a MOTU to package stuff.  Second, I think that ubotu can...05:19
RAOF!packagingguide05:19
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources05:19
RAOF!revu05:19
ubotuREVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU05:19
crimsunit's linked from the topic, of course. Please actually READ THE TOPIC.05:19
boredandbloggingthe first thing MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment talks says is "After working a while with the MOTU community..."05:21
boredandbloggingassuming I haven't worked a while, where do I go?05:22
RAOFYou package something, and post it on REVU?  You look at motu bugs and fix them, attaching debdiffs to the bug reports?05:22
crimsunyou read a bit further down the page and click the UbuntuDevelopers link.05:22
boredandbloggingthat link to UbuntuDevelopers seems like its for if you want to go from MOTU hopeful to actual MOTU05:23
boredandbloggingnot for beginners05:23
crimsundid you actually READ UbuntuDevelopers?05:24
crimsunsee the leading section, Prospective Developers05:24
crimsunthe second and third bullets in that section are links to sections you'll want to read05:25
=== bddebian should read that
boredandbloggingwhy i click on the link if the text leading up to it says "General guide lines for membership approval (which seems like its referring to becoming a MOTU from MOTU hopeful)"05:25
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crimsunwhat is your interest? packaging only?05:26
crimsunif so, your first question is misleading, unclear, and serves to undermine our efforts to guide you05:26
crimsunLet us wrap it up in a nutshell. Say you want to package ArgoUML. Follow the Ubuntu Packaging and Debian New Maintainers' Guides. If you'd like to be able to upload your package(s) to Ubuntu, you'll need to 1) become an Ubuntu member; 2) become an MOTU.05:29
boredandblogginglet me start again, I'm looking into how to be MOTU hopeful...the UbuntuDevelopers link is embedded in a paragraph about  how you want to go from MOTU hopeful to MOTU.05:29
crimsunright, so you'll want to read carefully what I just typed.05:29
crimsunHere's what I recommend you do:05:30
boredandbloggingI understand, but telling me to read the topic doesn't lead me read UbuntuDevelopers, thats all I was saying. Didn't mean to get defensive or anything.05:30
crimsun1) Read the Ubuntu Packaging and Debian New Maintainers' Guides; 2) Work with an MOTU mentor to get up to speed with REVU and general MOTU processes; 3) apply for Ubuntu membership after sustained involvement; 4) continue working with MOTU [as MOTU hopeful] ; 5) after sustained involvement in Ubuntu universe, apply for MOTU05:32
boredandbloggingbut UbuntuDevelopers is what I was looking for05:32
bddebian*cough*05:33
crimsunI really don't see how that _isn't_ followed from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU05:33
crimsunhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers05:34
crimsun(or)05:34
lotusleafone link to rule them all!05:34
crimsunhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers05:34
boredandbloggingthe first sentence iin Recruitment is You have been a MOTU Hopeful for a while now05:35
crimsunwell, sure, I pasted https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment _hoping_ that you had, in fact, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU05:35
LaserJockdon't worry about that too much05:35
crimsunI'm sorry that I assumed people actually read the topic.05:36
LaserJockcrimsun: want me to take this one, you seem busy? :-)05:36
crimsunsure, take it all, fiic.05:36
nixternalLaserJock: did you break my system with today/tonights updates?05:37
nixternal;p05:37
LaserJockboredandblogging: don't worry about the MOTU Hopeful term05:38
LaserJockboredandblogging: it applies to anybody who is not an MOTU but wants to do motu work05:38
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LaserJockboredandblogging: does that make sense?05:41
boredandbloggingyes, in that case Recruitment makes perfectly good sense :-)05:42
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bddebianwb ajmitch :)05:57
nixternalOK, so what are the tricks to this new xorg 7.2?05:59
ajmitchmagic incantations?06:00
nixternalI need to disable my synaptics touchpad automagically when my external is connected. how do I go about that one now seeing we don't have a xorg.conf to work with?06:00
superm1xorg 7.2 scrapped xorg.conf finally?06:00
RAOFnixternal: Add an xorg.conf.  It still uses it.06:00
nixternalRAOF: well it didn't use mine06:00
nixternalit made me use tty1-6 :)06:00
RAOF:)06:00
nixternalwoohoo, it works. just have to remove the composite from xorg.conf06:11
jdongnixternal: fglrx?06:25
nixternalno no06:25
nixternalIntel06:25
nixternalit still runs Beryl though, but really nasty06:25
jdongoh06:25
jdonghmm Intels should do fine when composite is on06:26
nixternaloh, when I had composite enabled it rocked06:26
nixternalbut with xorg 7.2 when I enable composite, x-windows won't start06:26
jdonghmm06:26
nixternalunless they have it enabled by default06:27
jdongick Xgl is leaking on me.06:27
jdongwith the newest xserver-xorg-core composite is on by default06:27
nixternalya I am going to hold off on the composite stuff anyways06:27
nixternalquite useless actually06:27
nixternalahh, that is why06:27
RAOFI like scale.06:27
nixternalRAOF: +106:27
RAOFIt's non-useless :)06:27
nixternalme too, that is my favorite06:27
jdongyeah I like berl/compiz usability features.06:27
jdongscale06:27
jdongzoom06:27
jdongnegative, too06:27
jdong(death to bright neon colored websites!)06:27
jdongtransparency has also been really helpful for me06:28
RAOFThe switcher's not bad.  Particularly now that it has an application-window switcher.  At least on my box :)06:28
jdongthe ring-switcher is great06:28
jdongit helps see how many more tabs you need to hit to get to your window06:28
jdongand my classes distribute most of the reading material via PDF's06:28
jdongI'd like to save paper...06:28
jdongbut not kill my eyes06:28
jdonginverting the colors is a lifesaver.06:29
RAOFI'd quite like to see the ring-switcher.06:29
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jdongRAOF: the ring switcher is awesome...06:29
jdongI hope they port it to compiz soon06:29
RAOFMaybe I will.  I've looked at the code, and it seems fairly easy to port, at least :)06:29
jdong:)06:31
nixternaljdong: the ring switcher?06:33
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jdongnixternal: winkey+tab06:33
jdongit's a switcher where windows are oriented in a ring06:33
jdongrather than in a filmstrip line.06:33
nixternaloh well, beryl won't even start up now06:34
RAOFNo Composite for you?06:34
jdongpoor nixternal .....06:34
jdongfully dist-upgraded?06:34
jdongneed the new xserver-xorg-core appearing like 5hrs ago.06:35
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crimsunnixternal: composite has been enabled by default since edgy.07:00
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crimsunyou may have exposed a bug in 019_ubuntu_enable_composite.diff, though07:01
dholbachgood morning07:02
crimsunhi07:03
ajmitchhey daniel(s)07:05
dholbachhiya andrew, hi daniel07:06
cypher1dholbach, good morning !07:09
dholbachhiya cypher107:09
cypher1dholbach, have you used activkey  ?07:11
dholbachno, not at all07:13
dholbachwhat is it?07:13
cypher1dholbach, its a hardware for authentication07:13
cypher1dholbach, like smartcards07:14
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dholbachno, I don't have that kind of hardware - sorry07:14
tepsipakkinixternal: did you use my experimental packages?07:14
cypher1dholbach, ok no problem.. i am struggling to get it work under ubuntu :(07:15
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AnAntHello07:26
AnAntdid anyone manage to package nspluginwrapper ?07:27
AnAntI see that there is a package in the Debian queue07:27
nixternalI got it working07:31
nixternalI had a line under my graphics card that shouldn't have been there07:31
nixternalalthough for me 7.2 is a downgrade over 7.1 w/ Beryl07:32
nixternalscrolling is garbage07:32
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Kagouhi07:39
nixternaltepsipakki: which experimental package are you referring to?07:42
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tepsipakkinixternal: if you don't know about them, you haven't used them ;)08:12
tepsipakkinixternal: do you have the new xorg-server which was uploaded yesterday?08:13
LaserJockyeah, I had to whip out xorg.conf to get X working after the updates today08:29
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tepsipakkiLaserJock: whip out?08:31
LaserJockwipe08:32
LaserJockmv it aside08:32
tepsipakkiattach them to a bugreport ;)08:33
LaserJockwhy?08:33
LaserJockis it a bug?08:33
tepsipakkicould be08:33
LaserJockit's just a default xorg.conf08:33
tepsipakkidid you use EXA?08:33
tepsipakkioh08:33
LaserJockI don't think I changed anything08:33
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tepsipakkiso how could it be that, then ?08:34
tepsipakkiold configs should work just fine08:35
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LaserJockit looked like it was dying on either wacom or fonts08:36
LaserJockHobbsee!08:36
tepsipakkidid X fail to start and give some error?08:36
LaserJockyeah, the usual08:37
tepsipakkiplease diff the configs08:37
LaserJockwhat configs?08:37
tepsipakkiduh, the old vs new08:37
LaserJockthere is no new08:37
tepsipakkiah, so you are using it _without_ a config?08:38
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LaserJockthat's what I would gess08:38
HobbseeLaserJock!!!08:38
LaserJockI just move xorg.config to xorg.conf.bak and restarted gdm and it worked08:38
tepsipakkiok08:41
LaserJockis that not normal?08:41
LaserJockI guess it *should* work with existing xorg.conf files08:41
tepsipakkirunning without a config is supported with the new server08:41
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LaserJockthat's what I assumed it wanted, that's why I mv'd my existing one08:42
tepsipakkibut your old one should work08:42
LaserJockhmm, so that's 2 tonight that didn't work08:42
tepsipakkisomeone else had problems as well?08:43
tepsipakkithe wacom errors (~"missing device") are harmless08:44
LaserJockyeah, nixternal was having problems08:44
tepsipakkibut if there's something wrong with the fontpaths, it fails08:44
tepsipakkioh, of course08:44
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LaserJocksynaptics touchpad and composite were his issues I think08:45
LaserJocktepsipakki: I think it was the fontspaths perhaps08:45
tepsipakkiLaserJock: do you have the latest xorg installed? (the metapackage)08:46
tepsipakkiit should create a link from the old path to the new one..08:46
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LaserJocktepsipakki: I have no idea, it's just the latest dist-upgrade in Feisty08:47
tepsipakkihmm, maybe we need to make the fontpath more robust08:48
tepsipakkinot play with symlinks08:48
tepsipakkibut give the server proper config options08:49
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slytherinCan anyone tell me if https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html affects REVU uploads? I mean I will not be able to sign a package for REVU upload since I don't have ubuntu.com address. Am I right?08:52
lionelslytherin: yes, you have to put  Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> in the maintainer field and yourself in the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field08:57
slytherinlionel: Ok. I will try tonight.08:58
tepsipakkiLaserJock: please file a bug on xorg and attach your non-working xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log09:02
LaserJocktepsipakki: xorg or xorg-server?09:05
tepsipakkihum, the latter09:05
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LaserJocktepsipakki: bug #8831109:27
UbugtuMalone bug 88311 in xorg-server "upgrade to 1.2.0-3ubuntu1 killed X" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8831109:27
tepsipakkiLaserJock: thanks09:28
LaserJocknp09:29
tepsipakkijust as I suspected..09:29
tepsipakkifor some reason there is no FontPath entry for /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc09:29
tepsipakkiwhich has been there at least since dapper09:29
tepsipakkiand I just noticed a dupe ;)09:30
Lutinbuxy: ping09:30
buxyLutin: pong09:30
Lutinbuxy: may I pm ?09:30
buxyif you want09:30
Lutinok, thanks09:31
LaserJocktepsipakki: this was a fresh Edgy install dist-upgraded to Feisty09:32
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zakamehmm feisty borked today? I don't have X right now :/09:39
LaserJockheh09:40
tepsipakkizakame: https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/88254 ?09:40
UbugtuMalone bug 88254 in xorg "xserver fails to start - missing FontPath in xorg.xonf" [Undecided,Confirmed]  09:40
LaserJockcheck l-r-m or xorg.conf ^^09:41
zakametepsipakki: bingo09:41
zakamehmm is ph.archive.ubuntu.com down? appears so in ping09:41
tepsipakkizakame: what does 'ls -ld /usr/share/X11/fonts' show?09:41
zakamehmm, /usr/share/X11/fonts09:42
zakameyou mean ls -lR?09:42
tepsipakkiso its there?09:42
zakameif I do `ls -lR $font_dir` I just get encodings and scale files09:43
zakamethere are no font files installed09:43
tepsipakkithat should be a symlink09:43
zakameto?09:43
tepsipakkito /usr/share/fonts/X1109:43
zakameoh, there we go09:44
LaserJockhehe, I've managed to get KDE to look like Ubuntu, how naughty of me :-)09:44
tepsipakkixserver-xorg installs that, but if there is a directory already it fails09:44
tepsipakkiso we need to find a cure09:44
zakamehmm so I just delete the existing directory and do apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg?09:45
tepsipakkithat should work09:45
zakameor would just a plain rmdir/symlink to real loc would do?09:45
tepsipakkithat too ;)09:45
zakameheh09:47
zakamethanks tepsipakki, brb :D09:47
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shawarmaHow many ACKs do we need on UVFe's? I forget.09:56
LaserJock3 I think09:57
Hobbsee209:57
LaserJock109:57
LaserJockblast off!09:57
shawarmaBOOM09:57
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shawarmaw10:01
shawarmaWell that didn't help much. :-)10:01
zakameback10:01
zakametepsipakki: thanks for the heads-up!10:01
zakamenow it's the ipw3945 on 2.6.20-9 that's the problem :/10:02
tepsipakkizakame: so it worked?10:02
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zakameyeah10:02
Hobbseezakame: what's the problem with ipw3945?10:03
GNUro'lo!10:03
zakameHobbsee: no ipw3945, doesn't seem configured per iwconfig10:04
Hobbseehrm.10:05
Hobbseezakame: oh, got l-r-m installed?10:05
Hobbseeand updated?10:05
Hobbseeoh, here it comes now10:05
zakameexactly, there's no l-r-m-2.6.20-9-generic yet10:06
zakameand ph.archive seems to be down :/10:06
Hobbseeah yep, it's here now...10:06
Hobbseepitti put it threw NEW an hour ago?10:06
zakameoh, now its back up10:08
zakametepsipakki: what was the bug number again? #88254?10:10
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tepsipakkizakame: yep10:13
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LongPointyStickdone :)10:24
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LaserJockHobbsee: I've managed a whole evening in KDE without a random shutdown/hibernation or freeze :-)10:42
HobbseeLaserJock: yay!10:42
LaserJockand now that I turned it brown it even looks OK ;-)10:43
Hobbseehaha10:44
LaserJockI grabbed the Ubuntu chocolate wallpaper10:44
LaserJockand some Ubuntu KDE color scheme off of kde-look10:44
LaserJockand used the Human icons10:44
LaserJockand it sort of works10:44
Hobbseehehe10:45
Hobbseesad :P10:45
LaserJockI know10:46
LaserJockI mostly did it because my wife is used to Gnome and I'm going to try to set KDE as the default for a while10:47
LaserJockso if the desktop has the same colors and icons she won't really mind10:47
Hobbseeahhh10:48
LaserJocktepsipakki: so do I need to have a /usr/share/X11/fonts link?10:51
tepsipakkiLaserJock: yes10:51
tepsipakkiwith your old config10:51
LaserJockI've got one machine that had it as a directory and one that doesn't have it at all10:51
tepsipakkinone of my machines have it as a directory :/10:51
LaserJockthe machines should be basically identical10:52
LaserJockI installed edgy at the same time10:52
LaserJockand I upgraded to Feisty at roughly the same time (within a few weeks anyway)10:52
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fernandomoin all11:29
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tuxcraftercan someone point me to the rules of using a cvs checkout i believe in this:11:35
tuxcrafteri don't want to use tarballs i want to use cvs checkouts and dependencies need to be pointed out before compiling when run the .autogen.sh or .configure.sh script not when you are installing and get errors11:35
Hobbsee...why not use a tarball?11:36
tuxcrafteri em testing and helping debuggin11:37
tuxcrafterusing a cvs has always been my methot11:37
Hobbseetuxcrafter: are you looking to get these into the ubuntu archive at all?11:38
tuxcrafteryes11:38
tuxcrafterHobbsee: what is the normal whay of getting the source and helping a testing a program?11:39
tuxcrafterthe cvs or a tarball11:39
Hobbseetarball11:40
Hobbseewell, for getting it into the archives11:40
tuxcrafterand why is that11:40
Hobbseehave you seen the packaging guide?11:40
Hobbsee!packagingguide11:40
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources11:40
Hobbseebtw, you wont get it into feisty now.11:40
tuxcrafterHobbsee: it is for over 2 or 3 releasse11:41
tuxcrafterit needs to mature first11:41
Hobbseeright11:41
tuxcrafterHobbsee: oke so its better to use the source tarball instead of the cvs11:43
tuxcrafterfor testing11:43
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Hobbseetepsipakki: any chance of fixing https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/40021 as well?12:27
UbugtuMalone bug 40021 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptics side scroll is disable by default on Dell Inspiron6400" [Medium,Needs info]  12:27
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Hobbseetepsipakki: seems my scrollbar didnt wnat to work without an xorg.conf file.  weird.12:30
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tepsipakkiHobbsee: that bug seems easy01:20
Hobbseetepsipakki: indeed.01:21
tuxcrafterHobbsee: thank you for your help, i will speak with you later for help with maintaining a new package01:35
Hobbseeok01:35
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gismo_hello all03:27
gismo_I have a problem with vmware-player-kernel-modules under Dapper03:28
gismo_I submited a bug last week but I don't understand what's the problem03:28
gismo_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15/+bug/8684803:28
UbugtuMalone bug 86848 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-28 still missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  03:28
gismo_yes03:29
gismo_why it's still unconfirmed ? Is someone able to run vmware player on Dapper under 2.6.15-28 ?03:29
zuldev probably hasnt gotten to it yet besides this channel isnt for support03:30
gismo_oups sorry03:31
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tuxmaniacHeya gang03:36
tuxmaniacYesterday, bddebian uploaded gnusim8085 on to revu. But I am unable to see it listed. Any reasons? 03:37
lionelgismo_: I have just confirmed the bug. Try to speak with kernel team on #ubuntu-kernel for that03:39
gismo_ok thanks !03:40
Adri2000tuxmaniac: he uploaded it to the archive, not revu03:41
tuxmaniacAdri2000, aah ok. thanks03:41
tuxmaniac:-)03:41
imbrandonroot@akira:~# uname -m03:44
imbrandonmips03:44
imbrandonbwhahahaha03:44
imbrandonheya all03:44
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zulimbrandon: er...why?03:46
imbrandonzul, just because ( its my router )03:46
Adri2000hi imbrandon03:46
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imbrandonwith openwrt03:46
imbrandonello Adri2000 03:46
Adri2000imbrandon: what's the next build machine on the list? :)03:46
zulimbrandon: ah ok i guess thats acceptable then :)03:46
imbrandonAdri2000, definately not that mips , its only 200mhx and 16mb ram03:48
imbrandon;)03:48
Adri2000hehe03:48
jribare there any plans to get rid of the use of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates and replace it with something else?  Or can I still point people here if they want some program that isn't packaged?03:49
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fiXXXerMetHey everyone.  #ubuntu sent me here.  I was asking them how to request a package to be made for/added to ubuntu.03:50
jriboh here he is :)03:50
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imbrandonjrib, yes point them there is fine 03:50
imbrandonerr yea03:50
fiXXXerMetlol03:50
jribfiXXXerMet: you can request at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates03:50
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bddebianHeya gang03:53
fiXXXerMetthank you jrib03:54
jribimbrandon: thanks.  some motu's were telling me that it might be getting replaced and that was several weeks ago, so I wanted to make sure03:55
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jribhi bddebian 03:56
bddebianHello jrib03:56
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fiXXXerMetDo I need to edit the wiki, or is there a submit page?03:57
jribfiXXXerMet: you need to edit the wiki03:57
fiXXXerMetok03:57
imbrandonheya bddebian 03:59
bddebianHi imbrandon04:00
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=== tuxmaniac is unable to find it in archives also gnusim8085 :-(
bddebiantuxmaniac: In NEW?04:11
fiXXXerMetThanks everyone - I added the reques tot the list.04:12
fiXXXerMetHow do I monitor the progress of this - keep checking the page?04:12
tuxmaniacbddebian, unable to find :-(04:16
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bddebianIt shows on LP:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/gnusim8085/1.3-0ubuntu104:20
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crimsunouch04:30
crimsuncompiz is now in -desktop? That utterly broke.04:30
imbrandonwha?04:31
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crimsunubuntu-meta (1.36) feisty; urgency=low -> * Added desktop-effects ... -> apt-cache show desktop-effects |grep ^Dep |grep compiz >/dev/null ; echo $? -> 004:32
imbrandonwonderfull04:33
crimsunI restarted gdm, logged in, and was greeted with the black screen of death04:33
imbrandoni thought that was decided against04:33
crimsunended up mving ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf*04:33
imbrandondidnt sab post about that04:33
crimsunI don't think it's enabled by default04:34
crimsunI can't tell, though, because something definitely went wonky04:34
imbrandoni guess i'll know on reboot i just updates04:34
imbrandonupdated*04:34
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imbrandonand gnome is bugging me to reboot, but i was trying to finish my openwrt upgrade first04:35
crimsunI'm happy that I can properly log out now from gnome-session, though.04:36
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imbrandonyea that would be a good thing04:43
imbrandoncrimsun, are you actively using that debian image ( this moment )04:44
imbrandone.g. if i shut my router off for a little while will it effect you ?04:44
crimsunimbrandon: no, and no.04:51
imbrandonkk i'm gonna take it offline for a bit then04:51
imbrandonto switch to this openwrt router04:51
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larsivikvpnc don't work out of the box - something with kdesu05:49
larsiviAfter entering my su password, I get "Fann ikkje kommandoen su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/kvpnc ."05:49
larsivi which translated is "Couldn't find command ..."05:49
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larsiviI tried to symlink su-to-root to sudo, but -X is not an option for sudo05:50
larsiviI suppose I should report this somewhere, but to which tracker?05:51
_ionLaunchpad05:52
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LaserJock_imbrandon!07:13
imbrandonLaserJock_, !!07:13
tonyyarusso... someonewholovesme!!07:14
imbrandonheh07:14
zulhey guys07:14
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tonyyarusso:)07:14
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tonyyarussohi LaserJock_ 07:14
imbrandonheya zul 07:14
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LaserJock_imbrandon: KDE seems to be acting ok for me know. I used it all last night without a hitch07:17
LaserJock_imbrandon: btw, Ctrl-C doesn't work in konsole for me, I must have messed something up07:17
imbrandonhrm07:17
imbrandonstrange07:17
imbrandoni'll definately see why tonihgt07:17
LaserJock_it could be because I went in and mapped it to Shift-Del07:18
imbrandonpossibly, but most likely a bug07:19
LaserJock_how many of you guys thing a package whiteboard would be helpful on LP?07:20
imbrandonfor what?07:20
LaserJock_I was thinking leaving notes when we're doing stuff like merges07:20
LaserJock_i'm not sure if it'd get abused and turn into bug reports or not07:21
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LaserJock_I was just thinking that bugs aren't really that appropriate for non-bug related stuff07:22
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LaserJock_we use bugs quite a bit for process related stuff07:22
gesersomething to make comments (like sync requested, FTBFS, etc.) would be useful07:23
zulheh...i would leave grafitti on it ;)07:23
LaserJock_canadians *rolls eyes*07:23
geserso that one wouldn't need to redo a merge to figure out that there's a problem07:23
zulLaserJock_: we might be pacifists.....then again we might not07:25
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LaserJock_like, in my mind it'd be cool if I'm merging and first I go to the source page on LP and check the whiteboard and see that somebody else tried to merge the package but it had problem X07:27
LaserJock_or we did some funky short term fix so we leave a note that the change can be dropped next time07:28
LaserJock_or if we think gentoo is the suxor we can spray paint that somewhere ;-)07:29
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imbrandongrr07:32
imbrandonanyone else good with apache2 in here?07:33
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imbrandonhum got it07:45
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crimsunLaserJock_: more and more it seems like we need a ticket system; one central place to grab merges07:46
LaserJock_yeah07:46
LaserJock_I was thinking it'd be interesting to have a page that showed all the packages in some activity (unmet deps, merges, etc.) and then have like a checkbox for state and a comment field for who's doing it or notes07:47
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LaserJock_that would be a simplistic approach07:48
imbrandonyea lp becomes an erp ;)07:48
LaserJock_I think an essential issue with LP is that it looks at packages from a single maintainer point of view. It's not really designed for team maintainance I don't think07:50
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imbrandonwell upuntill ubuntu nothing was really designed for a team , package wise07:52
imbrandonso that kinda makes sense07:52
imbrandonbut not optimal 07:52
LaserJock_right07:53
mohammadHello I have uploaded a package to revu, now I am getting a lot of spam I decided to change my email adress to get rid of more spams but it seems that's impossible07:54
gesercrimsun: as you uploaded flashplugin-nonfree in the past: have you seen the debdiff in bug #85911? is it ok to upload it?07:55
UbugtuMalone bug 85911 in flashplugin-nonfree "Description should be Ubuntu-specific" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8591107:55
mohammadi uploaded once with my new email address but I could not login to revu 07:55
LaserJock_mohammad: if you upload a new package with your new address (make sure it's in your gpg key too) it should work07:55
mohammadLaserJock_: I added this new address to my previous gpg key then send the key to keyservers, then I uploaded the new package with new email, uploading was done successfully but 07:57
mohammadLaserJock_: but i am unable to login with new address07:57
LaserJock_mohammad: did you try the password recovery?07:58
mohammadLaserJock_: yes but it did not give me any encrypted password07:58
crimsungeser: +1, feel free to update & upload. Please consider rolling in fix for bug 80545 / bug 86089 in that upload, too.07:58
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LaserJock_hmm, when is the next MOTU meeting?07:58
UbugtuMalone bug 80545 in flashplugin-nonfree "Don't use /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree-unpackdir" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8054507:58
UbugtuMalone bug 86089 in flashplugin-nonfree "FHS violation, wrong install location" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8608907:58
LaserJock_mohammad: you might want to email the REVU admins07:59
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bddebianGaaah I hate my job some days08:00
mohammadLaserJock: thank you08:01
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crimsunok, so people are now requesting that we mute all sound during install and first boot08:02
ajmitchmorning08:02
crimsun('morning)08:02
LaserJock_what?08:02
LaserJock_why?08:02
LaserJock_hi ajmitch08:03
crimsunstuff like "too loud/I'm installing in X's office and don't want to disturb/installing or booting while in a meeting"/etc.08:03
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crimsunI have no idea what any sort of majority opinion would be, so I'll take it to -discuss08:04
crimsunthere's no way we can please everyone with either decision08:04
ajmitchah, getting warning of a 3 hour launchpad downtime a few hours before it happens08:05
nixternalcrimsun: tell them to install windows then :)  Oh wait, that install is obnoxiously louder and more annoying08:05
crimsuneither approach will generate more bug reports08:05
crimsun"omgsounddoesn't work -> I had to manually unmute"08:06
crimsun"omgsoundtooloud -> I had to manually mute"08:06
LaserJock_yeah08:06
crimsunmaybe implement crystalball() in the installer?08:06
LaserJock_although I'd tell people to just turn their speakers down if they don't want the noise08:07
ajmitchcrimsun: tealeaves() works better08:07
crimsunajmitch: ah, true08:07
ajmitchLaserJock_: harder to do that on a laptop08:08
LaserJock_ajmitch: it is?08:08
ajmitchLaserJock_: at least on mine it takes a little while before it'll respond to 'volume down' events from the keyboard08:10
ajmitchor at least it seems to :)08:11
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LaserJock_oh, mine has a little wheel on the side08:11
LaserJock_I don't use the keyboard for volume08:11
ajmitchlucky you :)08:13
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Adri2000crimsun: can you +1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-gammu/+bug/88042 please08:15
UbugtuMalone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request]  python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  08:15
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imbrandonlater ajmitch 08:16
crimsunbug 8804208:17
UbugtuMalone bug 88042 in python-gammu "[UVF exception request]  python-gammu 0.17-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8804208:17
crimsunAdri2000: ^08:18
Adri2000thanks08:18
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LaserJock_well, I got some good LP info today08:19
tonyyarussooh?08:21
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LaserJock_I figured out how +bugs-text works08:23
LaserJock_and +text08:23
LaserJock_so we can get plain text files for bug numbers and then bug info08:24
LaserJock_also got an estimate on when our +filebug tag preloading might roll out08:24
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LaserJock_so we can start moving package requests onto LP08:25
crimsunwhat I really need is a big red button on LP that functions as "reassign all my bugs to Jordan"08:25
imbrandonhehe08:26
LaserJock_ouch08:26
LaserJock_that would be entirely unproductive and a disaster08:26
crimsunbut _entirely_ productive and non-disastrous for me08:27
crimsunI must admit that tracking development gnome snapshots really destroys any sense of muscle memory I might have had08:28
crimsunSystem> Control Center? whateva!08:28
LaserJock_lol08:31
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imbrandonwoot , ssl working 08:38
ajmitchgood08:38
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imbrandonubuntuwire.com is now ssl enabled for signup ( and actualy redirected there if you dont goto https by default )08:39
imbrandonyea , apache is quite fun <rolls eyes>08:39
LaserJock_I'm going to KILL IT!08:42
ajmitchoh it is08:42
ajmitchcalm down LaserJock_ 08:42
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imbrandonheh08:43
imbrandonkill what LaserJock_ 08:43
zul LaserJock_: rant...you will feel better08:43
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LaserJock_imbrandon: I'm trying to set up a .htaccess for mod_python08:43
imbrandonahh08:45
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moxfyrehi admins... I've just created an updated GTKWave package (the old one hadn't been maintained in a couple years)08:48
tonyyarussoimbrandon: bah, apache's not that hard08:48
moxfyrecan someone ... uh ... "re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring"08:48
tonyyarussoas long as you don't mind reading four thousand docs ;)08:48
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moxfyrei've followed all the directions in MOTU/Packages/REVU, would like to get this into universe :-)08:50
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moxfyreany admins here?08:52
imbrandonmoxfyre, yea give me justa sec08:52
moxfyreexcellent!08:52
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imbrandonmoxfyre, done09:10
moxfyrethanks!09:13
imbrandonnp09:14
moxfyrethe package i uploaded was already in universe, but in a very old version... should i send some kind of explanation of what I did to REVU?  there's just a couple lines on it in the changelog09:17
imbrandonhum well honestly you would have been better off making a debdiff and attaching it to a bug on LP and subscribing u-u-s09:18
imbrandonREVU is more for NEW packages09:19
bddebianw00t, kiss my ass .NET! :-)09:20
moxfyreGotcha.  There was no maintainer for the gtkwave package on Launchpad, since it was just a package copied from debian unstable... so I thought I should put it on REVU09:22
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Q-FUNKmoxfyre: either that or submitted a patch to the maintainer on the Debian side.09:26
Q-FUNKmaybe offer him to co-maintain as well09:26
moxfyreokay, so if I get the Debian maintainer to update it, then that package will eventually find its way into Feisty?09:27
moxfyrewell... my REVU upload is still getting rejected anyway :-)09:29
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LaserJockzul: hehe, just can't help pit eh?09:36
ajmitchyay, short TB meeting09:36
zulheh...people are pissing me off09:36
LaserJockit happened already?09:37
ajmitchLaserJock: TB, or pissing zul off?09:37
LaserJockTB09:37
bddebianheh09:37
LaserJockzul getting pissed off this early isn't a suprise09:37
LaserJock;-)09:38
ajmitch:)09:38
zulthats not nice..09:38
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LaserJockuh oh, I've pissed him off now09:38
ajmitchLaserJock: yes, with the motu council supposedly handling new applications, it was a little shorter than most TB meetings09:38
LaserJockajmitch: anything of importance?09:38
ajmitchnew TB nominations announced soon?09:39
ajmitchthat was the only thing discussed, really09:39
LaserJockanybody noticed the +text pages on LP: https://launchpad.net/bugs/43150/+text09:39
UbugtuMalone bug 43150 in wxmaxima "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Medium,Fix released]  09:39
ajmitchI thought bughelper was using those?09:40
LaserJockoh, well that makes sense09:40
LaserJockI didn't know it existed09:40
ajmitchI forgot about them, but they've been there for awhile I think09:40
LaserJockI also figured out how to get +bugs-text to do what I want (i.e. show only open bugs)09:41
LaserJockwell, *I* didn't figure it out, kiko told me09:41
ajmitchuseful!09:41
ajmitchheh09:41
LaserJockI was complaining about +bugs-text to him today09:42
LaserJockI also got a estimate of the 1.0 release09:42
LaserJock*an09:42
LaserJockwhich is when the +filebug tag preloading will roll out09:43
ajmitchyes, I saw that09:44
LaserJockI think if we decide on a tag to use we can set up a doc for a junior job to move Candidates to LP09:45
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bddebianWho the heck is Alexandar Sack?10:11
zulhe is the new mozilla maintainer10:11
bddebianAhh10:11
ograor asac10:11
tonyyarussobddebian: ya, asac in #ubuntu-mozillateam10:12
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animimotuslionel: [mar fv 27 2007]  [00:28:08]  <lionel>   animimotus: I can not find your bug report -----> https://launchpad.net/edgy-backports/+bug/82543    ;)10:15
UbugtuMalone bug 82543 in edgy-backports "Please a backport Conky to Edgy ?" [Undecided,Confirmed]  10:15
animimotusthx Adri2000 ;)10:16
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gesercaravena: please don't assign bugs to motu-uvf which are only about new Debian revisions but not about new upstream releases10:21
caravenageser: ok.10:22
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LaserJockumm, so what would be the UVF exception policy for a Multiverse package?10:31
ajmitchLaserJock: same as for universe, the only difference is licensing10:31
LaserJockbut if it's a binary there's not much code to review10:32
tonyyarussoajmitch: exemption applications are done as bugs subscribing -utf, right?10:32
cbx333LaserJock, fixed the mod_python yet?10:33
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LaserJockcbx333: well, I just used what you gave me and am just doing 1 main .py per dir10:33
cbx333hehe10:33
ajmitchtonyyarusso: assigning to10:34
tonyyarussoajmitch: ah, ok10:35
ajmitchgeser: was it to motu-uvf, or to motu?10:36
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LaserJockwhy?10:38
ajmitchLaserJock: it doesn't really help anything by assigning a bug to motu for a uvf exception request10:39
LaserJockno, not if it's a uvfe10:39
geserajmitch: bug #88481 is assigned to motu-uvf, bug #88492 was also before my upload10:39
UbugtuMalone bug 88481 in unrar-nonfree "Please sync unrar-nonfree 3.7.3-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8848110:39
UbugtuMalone bug 88492 in tiemu "Please merge tiemu 2.00-3 from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8849210:39
LaserJockI thought you just ment in general10:39
ajmitchin general it's not really helping anyway :)10:39
jdongcan I prod bug 87687 towards motu-uvf?10:40
UbugtuMalone bug 87687 in xserver-xgl "New git snapshot required for xorg 7.2/feisty" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8768710:40
ajmitchjdong: sure, by following process & assigning it :)10:40
jdongajmitch: WTF half of you guys want subscribing and the rest want assigning :)10:41
ajmitchgeser: ah, bug 88481, that +1 is just confusing :)10:41
UbugtuMalone bug 88481 in unrar-nonfree "Please sync unrar-nonfree 3.7.3-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8848110:41
ajmitchjdong: yes, and it's all documented10:41
jdongajmitch: well I apologize profusely then.10:42
ajmitchthat's ok, you can pay later10:42
ajmitchjdong: having an additional version on top of one that's not uploaded just confuses things10:43
jdongajmitch: I'm sorry, didn't know how else to do it10:44
jdongajmitch: in my defense the original version worked at the time it was filed10:44
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jdongajmitch: should I open up a 2nd report or will you cope with it :D10:45
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ajmitchjdong: why would you need a second report?10:45
jdongajmitch: reject the current one and open one with just the latest patch?10:45
jdongor would that not be necessary?10:46
ajmitchyou're just making more work for everyone :)10:46
jdongajmitch: I'm sorry10:46
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sacaterhey does anyone know where gpocentek is11:06
mr_pouitsacater: he's sleeping :D11:07
sacatermr_pouit: how long has he been asleep, i need some mentoring11:07
sacaterive rebuilt a source package as he asked :P, and now hes asleep11:07
sacater:(11:07
sacaterany idea when hell be online tomoz11:08
Adri2000his tz is CET11:08
keescookhmpf. anyone run into issues with the xorg 7.2 update?11:09
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ajmitchI see holy holbach is going to be at it again11:10
keescookit's weird, everything looks fine, but the logs say it can't find the "fixed" font...11:11
Adri2000keescook: some fontpath is wrong in Xorg.conf11:12
Adri2000fonts/X11 // X11/fonts11:13
keescookAdri2000: I'll double check; the logs only complained about CID stuff being missing.11:13
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dlenskihi, earlier I asked an admin to re-sync the REVU keyring, so that I could upload a new package11:15
dlenskibut it doesn't seem to have gone through :-(11:15
dlenskii've followed the complete instructions in wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU11:15
dlenskican someone sync it again?11:15
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geserajmitch: ^^^11:17
phanatickeescook: had the same problem, a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg helped...11:17
keescookphanatic: cool, thanks.  bdmurray pointed me at 88254 too.11:17
phanaticbug 8825411:18
UbugtuMalone bug 88254 in xorg "xserver fails to start - missing FontPath in xorg.xonf" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8825411:18
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keescookah-ha, success!  xorg happy again11:23
phanaticgreat :)11:24
jdongXgl still isn't11:24
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ajmitchdlenski: ok, doing it11:24
jdongbeg(): return "pretty"+beg()+"please"11:25
ajmitchjdong: bug me further, and I'll ignore the bug :)11:25
dlenskiajmitch: thanks!  not sure what the problem was earlier11:25
ajmitchdlenski: you may have been in the keyring, but uploaded a binary package11:26
otherguyajmitch: have you looked at xserver-xgl in feisty yet? :)11:26
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dlenskiajmitch: i did accidentally try and upload a binary package, that's right11:26
jdong:)11:26
ajmitchdlenski: ok, I'll clear it & tell you when you can upload again11:27
dlenskiajmitch: thanks.  when i try to recover my password on revu.tauware.de, it gives me a GPG message which decrypts to the string "None"... seems like I confused a python program somewhere!11:29
ajmitchbecause you don't have a successful upload11:30
ajmitchdlenski: ok, what did you try & upload?11:32
shawarmaajmitch: You confirmed my UVFe: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rawstudio/+bug/88020 but did not subscribe ubuntu-archive... Is there a deeper meaning to that or did you just forget?11:35
UbugtuMalone bug 88020 in rawstudio "UVF: Please sync 0.5.1-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed]  11:35
dlenskiajmitch: i tried to upload the gtkwave package, but then someone suggest i contact the Debian maintainer instead11:36
gesershawarma: after an uvfe is confirmed it's up to you to continue11:37
dlenskiajmitch: ... and then i tried to upload the cpuid package11:37
ajmitchand did you get an email in reply?11:38
shawarmageser: Oh, really? Last time they did it for me. I assumed it was the procedure.11:38
LaserJockfor goodness sakes11:38
LaserJockI hate moving targets and Python on Mac11:39
ajmitchdlenski: the cpuid package doesn't appear on tiber, so I suspect you may have uploaded to the wrong place11:39
dlenskihmmm... i got "upload rejected" emails11:40
ajmitchthen you probably uploaded to ubuntu, not revu11:41
dlenskid'oh!11:41
dlenskiapparently, i'm an idiot11:42
dlenskii think that's what i did, i ought to learn to read the dput man page11:42
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ajmitch:)11:44
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dlenskiajmitch: sorry about that *whacks self on head*11:46
ajmitchno problem11:46
ajmitchok, it appears on revu now11:48
dlenskiindeed!  thanks a lot11:52
dlenskijust one thing to clarify: lintian doesn't like the distro name feisty11:53
dlenskishould it be unstable?11:53
ajmitchno, ignore that 11:53
ajmitchthat system doesn't have a recent lintian installed11:53
dlenskiah, gocha11:53
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sistpotyhi folks12:09
LaserJockhi sistpoty 12:09
sistpotyhi LaserJock12:09
sistpotyargl... missed TB meeting today :/12:09

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