[12:31] <BFTD> scite for text editor(its a IDE) X-chat and irssi for IRC
[12:33] <aztun> I have found Mousepad as good graphical editor
[12:33] <aztun> and xchat as irc client
[12:33] <aztun> but havent found any good image viewer
[12:35] <BFTD> gimp
[12:37] <grazie> !gqview ! aztun
[12:37] <ubotu> gqview: A simple image viewer using GTK+. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 707 kB, installed size 2312 kB
[12:37] <aztun> thx grazie
[12:37] <aztun> gonna try
[12:38] <irvin> i use geany instead of scite
[12:38] <irvin> !info geany
[12:38] <ubotu> geany: A fast and lightweight IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-1 (edgy), package size 1076 kB, installed size 3664 kB
[12:39] <aztun> thx grazie, gqview is just what I was looking for
[12:45] <grazie> I thought gqview was installed by default on xubuntu
[01:38] <frojnd> does anyone know where are files that I've donwload via rtorrent
[01:38] <frojnd> in the same folder as the .torrent is?
[01:44] <jlamr> sometimes after sitting for a while my laptop looses the internet - I think its because I have dynamic ip addy - how can I restart /reset my network connection?
[01:52] <frojnd> unplugg the cable?
[02:02] <jlamr> no like init.d/reset
[02:03] <jlamr> cant figure it out
[02:12] <neozen> meep
[02:14] <neozen> ....quiet again...... arg
[02:14] <neozen> lol
[02:15] <jlamr> try apt-get moo
[02:16] <neozen> old joke
[02:16] <jlamr> heh, jst found it
[02:18] <neozen> aptitude moo
[02:19] <neozen> just keep asking for it to be more verbose
[02:19] <neozen> ie
[02:19] <neozen> aptitude -v moo
[02:19] <neozen> aptitude -v -v moo
[02:19] <neozen> etc
[02:20] <neozen> that should keep you busy for awhile
[02:20] <superkirbyartist> Hello, what kind of partition can Mac OS read?
[02:20] <jlamr> amazing misuse of system resources
[02:20] <superkirbyartist> I want to install OS 9.  What kind of partition should I use?
[02:21] <neozen> kirby: don't know
[02:22] <neozen> I believe it can read ntfs
[02:22] <neozen> ...but I doubt you'd want to use that
[02:22] <neozen> *fat32
[02:22] <jlamr> hes gone - think he got kiked
[02:23] <neozen> good
[02:23] <jlamr> heh
[02:23] <neozen> ...I had no idea what the right answer was
[02:23] <jlamr> !google
[02:23] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[02:23] <neozen> I'd have said wth are you doing in a xubuntu chat asking about that
[02:24] <jlamr> neozen, you on wireless right now?
[02:25] <neozen> yeah
[02:25] <neozen> why?
[02:26] <jlamr> did your card pick up automatically like windows?
[02:26] <neozen> ...yeah
[02:26] <neozen> intel pro wireless 3945abg
[02:26] <neozen> ...I did my hw
[02:27] <neozen> support was already included in the kernel
[02:27] <neozen> ...then I got lucky with network-manager-gnome
[02:27] <jlamr> ah - I got a cheapo had to hack the drivers
[02:27] <neozen> .....supports my card out of the box
[02:27] <neozen> I remember
[02:27] <neozen> broadcom right?
[02:27] <jlamr> lucky....yup
[02:28] <jlamr> wondering if mine will do the same, network-manager gives me no joy
[02:28] <jlamr> wifi-radar seems to work tho
[02:29] <jlamr> looking back, shoulda spent the extra 20 bucks
[02:29] <neozen> lol
[02:29] <neozen> yeah
[02:29] <neozen> name-brand hw is good for something
[02:29] <j1mc> if you have your wireless card operational, the command "sudo iwlist scan" will list all the access points it can find.
[02:29] <jlamr> but i appreciate way more now
[02:29] <neozen> ............if its operational ::grins::
[02:29] <jlamr> it is...usually
[02:30] <j1mc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[02:30] <jlamr> pretty much memorized all those commands
[02:30] <jlamr> ifconfig iwlist lspci
[02:32] <neozen> lol
[02:32] <neozen> brain got a firmware upgrade eh?
[02:32] <neozen> ...these things.. are good
[02:33] <jlamr> heh, after that weekend I was speaking in shell script
[02:34] <neozen> I need to find someone w/ experience dealing w/ usb_prism2
[02:34] <neozen> 's
[02:34] <neozen> specifically the one built into the netgear ma111v1
[02:34] <neozen> ....ubuntu forums don't seem to be helping much
[02:39] <jlamr> did you post there, they're some of the best forums ive seen
[02:40] <skywalker> what is a good version of wine to use?
[02:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> One that's listed as being compatible with the application(s) you want to run.
[02:42] <neozen> yeah
[02:43] <neozen> lol
[02:43] <neozen> jlamr: they are indeed
[02:43] <neozen> ....my one problem seems to be that their steps aren't working in my case
[02:43] <neozen> ::grins::
[02:43] <neozen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/NetgearMA111
[02:43] <neozen> that one's all gui based
[02:44] <neozen> *terminal
[02:44] <neozen> ....my friend who I'm loaning the card to is not exactly....... terminal savvy
[02:48] <neozen> and yet.... she's running edgy
[02:48] <neozen> ...and nothing works
[02:48] <neozen> ...all she has to do is switchback to dapper
[02:48] <neozen> ...buuuut.. she won't
[02:49] <neozen> oh well
[02:49] <neozen> thing worked out of box in dapper
[02:53] <skywalker> wine? anyone
[02:54] <Maul> sure
[02:54] <grazie> me too
[02:54] <skywalker> I dont drink
[02:54] <skywalker> sorry guys
[02:55] <Maul> I shall kill you and reap from your crop skywalker
[02:55] <skywalker> hahaha
[02:56] <grazie> skywalker: I've found with wine the later the version, the more that works, but sometimes things get broken
[02:56] <gopp> hey any here installed ubuntu on ppc how do I get yaboot to load
[02:56] <Maul> wine 0.9.31 does wonders
[02:56] <grazie> gopp: I'm on ppc
[02:57] <gopp> grazie how do I get ubuntu to load
[02:57] <Maul> I finally got iTunes to work today
[02:57] <gopp> all I see ? sad mac
[02:57] <skywalker> I want to run one windums prog
[02:57] <neozen> lol
[02:57] <grazie> gopp: what have you done so far?
[02:57] <gopp> I installed ubuntu
[02:57] <gopp> boot via open firmware the cd
[02:58] <gopp> and installed on my 160 gig hd
[02:58] <skywalker> and I did the make install for wine its installed but I need some files and I looked on the net but most of the sights I foung are old
[02:58] <gopp> but after it told me to reboot
[02:58] <gopp> all I get is
[02:58] <gopp> ?mac sad
[02:58] <skywalker> found*
[02:58] <gopp> you blinking
[02:58] <neozen> gopp awwwww
[02:58] <neozen> how old is this mac?
[02:59] <gopp> g4 pci graphics
[02:59] <grazie> gopp: did you use alternate or disktop cd to install?
[02:59] <skywalker> I did something realy stupied with the ppc files for susse
[02:59] <grazie> desktop*
[02:59] <gopp> I used desktop cd
[02:59] <gopp> ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-powerpc.iso
[03:00] <grazie> so live cd works? you can go online with it?
[03:00] <gopp> nope
[03:00] <gopp> nic didn't work
[03:00] <gopp> or at least when I tryed firefox and ifconfig
[03:00] <gopp> is network supported in ubuntu
[03:00] <neozen> yes
[03:01] <neozen> I believe so
[03:01] <gopp> how do I access yaboot
[03:01] <neozen> ...with futzing
[03:01] <neozen> gopp: no idea
[03:01] <jlamr> *usually
[03:01] <neozen> <---------------pc user here
[03:01] <grazie> gopp: i'm on g4 with no network problems
[03:01] <gopp> oh
[03:01] <neozen> whew
[03:01] <grazie> gopp: I'm asking the questions to find out your problems
[03:02] <gopp> grazie so how do I access yaboot
[03:02] <gopp> oh
[03:02] <gopp> I was able to boot from boot cd
[03:02] <gopp> in yaboot what do I enter I have boot: from my old yellow dog install
[03:02] <gopp> boot:
[03:02] <gopp> I know it isntalled in hdb
[03:03] <grazie> gopp: just hit tab to see the options
[03:03] <gopp> but it gives me the boot kernel for ydl
[03:03] <gopp> 2.4.22
[03:03] <gopp> and it boots me in to ydl
[03:03] <grazie> then yaboot is working fine
[03:03] <gopp> if I want it to boot in to
[03:04] <gopp> ubuntu how
[03:04] <grazie> it's just not set up correctly for ubuntu
[03:04] <gopp> how do I do that
[03:04] <gopp> in the boot:
[03:04] <gopp> or do I go somewhere else
[03:04] <grazie> gopp it would be good to see your /etc/yaboot.conf file
[03:04] <gopp> I want ubuntu to be defualt
[03:05] <gopp> so only way to access that is in ydl
[03:05] <grazie> ok
[03:05] <gopp> k let me boot up one secon
[03:05] <gopp> thanks dude
[03:06] <grazie> gopp: pastebin your /etc/yaboot.conf and /etc/fstab from ubuntu install
[03:07] <gopp> from the ubuntu install cd
[03:07] <gopp> k
[03:07] <gopp> if I can
[03:08] <gopp> it goign to take some mins
[03:08] <grazie> gopp: and the output from 'mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda' (ydl may use fdisk - I dunno)
[03:12] <gopp> k
[03:13] <gopp> I will do fdisk -l /dev/hda > hd.txt
[03:13] <gopp> smaba to the box
[03:13] <gopp> and open it in notepad and paste it
[03:13] <gopp> grazie I have three hardrives on this computers
[03:14] <gopp> so hda hdb hdc
[03:14] <gopp> or d
[03:14] <gopp> or just ssh better
[03:14] <gopp> k
[03:14] <grazie> do you know which you installed ubuntu on?
[03:15] <gopp> hdb
[03:15] <gopp> when I looked
[03:15] <gopp> but I can tell by size
[03:15] <gopp> 160 gig
[03:15] <grazie> mount it and pastebin the data
[03:15] <gopp> k ssh to the box
[03:15] <gopp> what the paste bin url
[03:15] <grazie> !pastebin
[03:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:17] <gopp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7738/
[03:17] <gopp> k all pasted
[03:18] <grazie> pastebin your ydl /etc/yaboot.conf on another page
[03:19] <gopp> k
[03:20] <grazie> gopp: looks like you've given me the ydl details there
[03:20] <gopp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7739/
[03:20] <gopp> the 160 gig hd is where I installed
[03:20] <gopp> ubuntu
[03:21] <grazie> gopp: looks like you've pasted the ydl details twice
[03:22] <neoze1> that would make things go boom if all that's actually in the file
[03:23] <gopp> oh I see
[03:23] <gopp> mount the yaboot config from ubuntu
[03:24] <grazie> gopp: mount the ubuntu disk from ydl
[03:24] <gopp> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdf /mntpount
[03:24] <gopp> mountpoint
[03:26] <gopp>  mount -t ext2 /dev/hdf1 /mnt/ubuntu/
[03:26] <gopp> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdf1,
[03:26] <gopp>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:26] <grazie> gopp: Are you sure you know which is the ubuntu drive?
[03:27] <gopp> Disk /dev/hdf: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
[03:27] <gopp> this one as this is 160 gig I bought today
[03:27] <neoze1> ok
[03:27] <neoze1> did you use ext2 or ext3 in the install
[03:27] <grazie> gopp: does mac-disk work on ydl?
[03:28] <neoze1> ...just noticed you used different file systems for the two mount lines above
[03:29] <gopp> nop
[03:29] <grazie> gopp: pastbin the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hdf'
[03:30] <gopp> this is starnage
[03:30] <gopp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7741/
[03:31] <gopp> err
[03:31] <grazie> gopp: looks like your install didn't work
[03:31] <gopp> what should I do
[03:31] <grazie> gopp: you got no errors?
[03:31] <gopp> nope
[03:31] <gopp> it said reboot
[03:31] <gopp> with the dilog box
[03:32] <grazie> gopp: are you sure you've got the right disk?
[03:32] <neoze1> straaaaaange
[03:32] <neoze1> bye all
[03:32] <grazie> nite neoze1
[03:33] <gopp> yea
[03:33] <grazie> gopp: which of the 3 install options did you choose?
[03:33] <gopp> I used the install icon
[03:33] <gopp> like when I did on a x86 box
[03:34] <gopp> should i reboot with  install cd
[03:34] <grazie> gopp: yes, but you get three options. 1 whole disk, 2, largest free space, 3 Manally paritition
[03:34] <gopp> oh I said 1
[03:35] <Darkkish> i give up
[03:35] <Darkkish> please help me with my broadcom wifi
[03:35] <Darkkish> i had it set up in kubuntu
[03:35] <Maul> ok
[03:35] <Darkkish> recently i installed xubuntu because... i thought i'd like it more
[03:35] <Maul> tell me whats happening
[03:35] <Darkkish> well
[03:35] <grazie> gopp: do you remember which you chose?
[03:35] <Darkkish> its recongnised in iwconfig
[03:35] <gopp> the whole disk
[03:35] <Darkkish> but it says "Access Point: Invalid"
[03:35] <Darkkish> in iwconfig under eth1
[03:36] <gopp> grazie do I pick live-powerpc
[03:36] <grazie> gopp: just hit return
[03:36] <Maul> Darkkish, try this "iwconfig eth1 essid <ap's name/network name>
[03:36] <grazie> gopp: did you prepare the disk before installing
[03:36] <gopp> j reboot
[03:36] <gopp> the cd
[03:36] <gopp> I just said whole disk
[03:37] <gopp> auto one
[03:37] <gopp> didn't prepare
[03:38] <grazie> gopp: as it's a brand new disk, you may need to prepare it (write partition map partition etc)
[03:38] <grazie> gopp: you've booted the live cd?
[03:38] <jlamr> Darkkish, if you have/can find the drivers, this worked for me -https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[03:40] <grazie> gopp: ?
[03:41] <gopp> k
[03:41] <gopp> it booted
[03:42] <gopp> going to desktop know
[03:42] <gopp> going to click instlal icon
[03:42] <gopp> install
[03:42] <grazie> gopp: no
[03:42] <gopp> grazie oh yea it brand new disk
[03:42] <gopp> oh don't click it
[03:42] <grazie> gopp: can you open gparted?
[03:42] <gopp> yea
[03:43] <gopp> loading gparted
[03:43] <gopp> scanning devices
[03:43] <gopp> it says more information
[03:43] <grazie> gopp: you still got osx?
[03:44] <gopp> nope
[03:44] <gopp> all I had was ydl
[03:44] <gopp> no mac os
[03:44] <grazie> gopp: gparted says 'more information...'
[03:44] <gopp> yea
[03:45] <gopp> like /dev/hdb1 unknown
[03:45] <gopp>  boot
[03:45] <grazie> can you not select /dev/hdf
[03:45] <Maul> well
[03:45] <gopp> well in the live cd it say hdb
[03:45] <grazie> ok
[03:45] <BFTD> well
[03:46] <BFTD> looks like Darkkish pinged out
[03:46] <gopp> why does it say ? 0.03 mb unknow
[03:46] <gopp> hdb1
[03:46] <BFTD> ohh
[03:46] <grazie> gopp: I'll need to look up how to prepare the disk
[03:47] <gopp> k thanks
[03:50] <Darkkish> idk
[03:50] <Darkkish> i had the card working rather well on kubuntu
[03:50] <Darkkish> but i don't remember all that i had to do to get it working
[03:50] <Darkkish> it was a rediculously lengthy process
[03:51] <grazie> gopp: I'm not going to be able to find out quickly enough...probably best to google or post on the ppc forum
[03:54] <gopp> ooo\
[03:54] <gopp> grazie what if I copy
[03:54] <gopp> that yaboot
[03:54] <gopp> in to ydl partion
[03:55] <grazie> gopp: you;ve not installed anything yet
[03:55] <gopp> so google it
[03:55] <gopp> I was able to mount it in
[03:55] <gopp> live cd
[03:55] <gopp> and I saw the yaboot .conf
[03:55] <AngryElf> hey all -- i'm trying to get mp3s working in amarok and i've installed libxine-extracodecs and gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly w/o luck -- any ideas?
[03:55] <grazie> gopp: ?
[03:55] <gopp> yea
[03:56] <gopp> I did mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt
[03:57] <grazie> gopp: right I think I may know partly why
[03:57] <gopp> aah
[03:58] <grazie> just found out the ydl uses pdisk (not mac-fdisk) for mac disks
[03:58] <gopp> ahh
[03:58] <gopp> k but know that I have
[03:58] <gopp> the information
[03:59] <grazie> ubuntu, gentoo, debian all use  mac-fdisk
[03:59] <gopp> oh
[03:59] <grazie> look like gparted isn't working properly also
[04:00] <gopp> aah
[04:00] <grazie> boot ydl again and we'll use pdisk this time...fdisk is for dos disks
[04:00] <gopp> aah'
[04:02] <gopp> k this is going to take some time
[04:02] <gopp> brb
[04:02] <gopp> rebooting
[04:07] <grazie> does the new disk show as /dev/hdf on ydl?
[04:07] <gopp> yea
[04:07] <gopp> and hdb in ubuntu
[04:07] <gopp> it rebooting
[04:07] <grazie> just to make life more interesting
[04:07] <gopp> yea
[04:07] <grazie> seems slow
[04:08] <gopp> 350 mhz
[04:08] <gopp> but it will suit me good
[04:08] <gopp> for what I want
[04:08] <grazie> did you install xubuntu?
[04:08] <gopp> the regular one
[04:08] <gopp> that the cdr Ihad
[04:09] <gopp> but I may do apt-get install xubuntu
[04:09] <grazie> gopp: that machine may have problems with 160G :(
[04:10] <gopp> hmm
[04:10] <gopp> it worked fine with 120 gig
[04:10] <grazie> my 350Hz G3 can't handle more than 120G
[04:10] <gopp> oh wow
[04:10] <gopp> even partions
[04:11] <grazie> no disk size is the limiting factor
[04:12] <grazie> gopp: you need to find out before we go any further
[04:12] <gopp> k
[04:12] <grazie> post on the pppc forum for more info
[04:12] <gopp> thanks for the help
[04:12] <grazie> np
[04:19] <gopp> k booted
[04:23] <grazie> gopp: you still trying?
[04:24] <Darkkish> woo
[04:24] <Darkkish> Maul your thing worked thanks
[04:25] <gopp> nope
[04:25] <gopp> gotother things to do
[04:25] <gopp> for tomrrow
[04:26] <grazie> just see if 'ofpath /dev/hdf' works if your still booted
[04:26] <gopp> k
[04:26] <gopp> I rebooted into ubuntu
[04:27] <gopp> beucase my ydl is all messed up
[04:27] <gopp> thta the reason I got new hd
[04:27] <gopp> to move all my data to this drive with a fresh distro
[04:27] <gopp> I mean ydl is slow
[04:27] <gopp> will try that
[04:27] <grazie> don't bother then
[04:27] <gopp> oh k
[04:27] <gopp> what another good distro
[04:27] <gopp> not ydl
[04:28] <gopp> all I want this box is for samba
[04:28] <gopp> it worked great foro 10 years as a samba box
[04:28] <grazie> for ppc there's not much choice
[04:29] <grazie> ubuntu is good for easily install. debian and gentoo can be made to go more quickly but take more effort
[04:29] <gopp> how is ubuntu server for ppc
[04:30] <gopp> I don't even need a gui much
[04:30] <gopp> I do but hmm
[04:30] <grazie> not tried ubuntu as a server. debain would be a better choice
[04:31] <gopp> for samba
[04:31] <Darkkish> what is a good wifi manager?
[04:31] <grazie> not there's not that much difference really
[04:32] <gopp> is it easy to get debian to load
[04:32] <gopp> as in install
[04:32] <grazie> debian is more hassle to install
[04:33] <gopp> oh
[04:34] <Darkkish> what is a good wifi manager?
[04:42] <robin> hello all
[04:43] <robin> i'm using xubuntu 5.10 (breezy), and on attempt to pull up synaptic or use gksudo apt-get.. i recieve a 'unable to copy xauthorization file..'
[04:43] <robin> halting the use of either function.
[04:43] <robin> could someone suggest the reason for why i'm seeing this?
[04:45] <Darkkish> purely out of curiosity why are you running breezy?
[04:45] <robin> i'm not fond of the round contours and goofy flash animation when i upgrade to dapper :S
[04:46] <Darkkish> lol
[04:46] <Darkkish> well i'm sorry i don't think i can help you with that problem
[04:47] <Darkkish> haha i just found your post on google though
[04:47] <Darkkish> how long have you been having this problem?
[04:47] <robin> i appreciate the response. just today
[04:48] <robin> i thought i'd try out xubuntu (have been casually using ubuntu dapper for a month now)
[04:49] <Darkkish> awesome, still don't think i can help you though, sorry
[04:49] <Darkkish> i've been using kubuntu with xfce installed
[04:49] <Darkkish> i really liked xfce so i switched to xubuntu and until just a few minutes ago, couldn't get my wireless working... but now i've got it
[04:50] <robin> hm. i really should have given dapper xubuntu a bit more time--as soon as i got to the desktop i hardbooted and started over haha
[04:52] <robin> do you know of any problems that could arise through upgrading to xubuntu (+to dapper) from a server install of ubuntu (breezy)?
[04:52] <Darkkish> I don't, but i havn't been using ubuntu since breezy
[04:53] <robin> well, linux isn't for loiterers i guess. i'll just update to dapper already and see if that fixes it heh
[04:54] <robin> nice talking to ya
[04:55] <Darkkish> lol k
[05:01] <jdrake> I am attempting to create a launcher that essentially runs a shell script to load up a screen connection on a remote computer through ssh. My attempts fail utterly with the window closing very fast.  My latest attempt is: xfce4-terminal -x ssh hcoop.net ~/screen.sh
[05:25] <Darkkish> ok
[05:25] <Darkkish> i give up
[05:25] <Darkkish> again.
[05:25] <Darkkish> what is a good battery manager for a laptop that will show up in the xfce system tray
[05:29] <Darkkish> what is a good battery manager for a laptop that will show up in the xfce system tray, does anyone know?
[05:30] <Jester45> could someone help me with kernal updates
[05:30] <Jester45> when i try my normal apt-get upgrade
[05:30] <Jester45> it holds the back but in synaptic it installs newones and updates others
[05:31] <jdrake> Jester45: in aptitude try a dist-upgrade
[05:31] <Jester45> but i only want one set wich ones would i remove
[05:31] <Jester45> jdrake: im allmost done the synaptic way
[05:31] <Jester45> i was just wondering why it wants to install others
[05:32] <firefish> !synaptic
[05:32] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[05:34] <jdrake> Jester45: My only experience involves certain packages being held back that only a dist-upgrade would solve. However I was only using aptitude at the time.
[05:35] <Darkkish> i don't really like synaptic
[05:35] <Darkkish> i really like adept >_>
[05:35] <Jester45> Install: linux-headers-2.6.17-11, linux-headers-2.6.17-11-386, linux-headers-2.6.17-11-generic, linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic upgrade: linux-headers-386, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic
[05:35] <Jester45> was the way it solved the helb back
[05:36] <Jester45> i think its was becase i removed the default kernel and replaced it with mine
[05:36] <Jester45> then when the upgrade was there apt didnt know how to deactivate the kernal and upgrade it because there was no other kernal
[05:38] <jdrake> Why did you replace the kernel with your own?
[05:38] <Jester45> becuase i wanted it to run faster
[05:39] <jdrake> ok...
[05:39] <jdrake> What makes you think that would make it run faster?
[05:40] <Jester45> because it optimized
[05:40] <Jester45> and it did i got 10 more fps from cube
[05:40] <crimsun> well, you know, those midgets sure pedal faster in a self-compiled kernel.
[05:40] <jdrake> Jester45: What was your previous fps and is this 3d accelerated?
[05:41] <Jester45> 140 and yes
[05:42] <jdrake> So you got an amazing 7% increase. Not really worth it.
[05:42] <Jester45> it is to me
[05:42] <crimsun> that's 7% more crack.
[05:42] <crimsun> Everyone can use 7% more crack.
[05:42] <jdrake> I doubt the average would even be that high as cube isn't exactly a good test.
[05:42] <Jester45> and its not only cude that runs faster
[05:42] <Jester45> cube
[05:43] <jdrake> Jester45: You could also recompile all the software you run to be 'optimized' for your processor.
[05:43] <Jester45> nope
[05:43] <jdrake> I am sure it wouldn't be too much trouble with the source packages...
[05:43] <Jester45> no much gentoo
[05:43] <Jester45> o well
[05:44] <Jester45> i will just leave it
[05:48] <jdrake> I have a flash drive that doesn't change too greatly, but I do store my school files on it. I have been making backup tarballs (tbz) at about 160mb a pop. I was sort of wondering if there would be a good solid (i.e. can be restored on other than linux) backup method that tracks changes rather than the whole file system image?
[05:56] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Would tar's built-in diff option be enough?
[06:10] <jdrake> Built in diff you say?
[06:10] <jdrake> That might be
[06:12] <jdrake> I am trying tar djvf tarfile.tar.bz2 locationoffilesystem
[06:14] <jdrake> tar: /media/FLASHY: Not found in archive
[06:15] <jdrake> -C seems to do something
[06:21] <jdrake> Doesn't seem to do anything than list files
[06:29] <highvoltage> 1/win 11
[06:29] <Darkkish> http://svn.xfce.org/svn/goodies/xfce4-mpc-plugin/trunk/ how would i add this to my repositorys?
[06:30] <Darkkish> how would i add this to my repositories? http://svn.xfce.org/svn/xfce/ **
[06:37] <jdrake> Darkkish: It sounds like you are suggesting that you want to put a svn repository into synaptic/aptitude, is that correct?
[06:39] <Darkkish> well... if thats even possible, yes
[06:41] <Darkkish> jdrake yes if thats possible
[06:47] <jdrake> Darkkish: No, they are two different things.
[06:47] <Darkkish> damn.
[06:48] <Darkkish> is it worth it?
[06:48] <jdrake> Well, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[06:48] <Darkkish> i'm trying to get xfce4-mpc-plugin
[06:49] <Darkkish> http://www.us.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.4.0/src/ i think this might be fore the repositories, does it look right?
[06:49] <jdrake> You could use that to download the source and compile it yourself, but your milage may vary.
[06:50] <Darkkish> well i have a tar.gz
[06:50] <Darkkish> but i have no idea where to put it... etc
[06:50] <jdrake> Wait a second, are you trying to get the 'mcs' stuff?
[06:50] <Darkkish> mpc
[06:50] <Darkkish> i just want an xfce repository
[06:50] <Darkkish> that contains everything
[06:51] <jdrake> Just do not overwrite xfce itself, that could be hazardous (I know: I have tried it).
[06:52] <Darkkish> I know that
[06:52] <Darkkish> I'm not trying to do that
[06:52] <Darkkish> I'm trying to download mods for the panels
[06:54] <Darkkish> what is the command for opening synaptic?
[06:55] <jdrake> synaptic
[06:55] <Darkkish> what about opening it so it asks for a password
[06:56] <jdrake> sudo synaptic
[06:57] <Darkkish> >_>
[06:57] <Darkkish> no
[06:57] <jdrake> eh?
[06:57] <Darkkish> even when you do that
[06:57] <Darkkish> it says its not open as root
[06:57] <Darkkish> or w/e
[06:57] <jdrake> hmm, go into a terminal and try it
[06:57] <Darkkish> well i have it open right now, so i can't really
[06:57] <jdrake> It should prompt you for a password
[06:57] <jdrake> Then close it
[06:57] <Darkkish> it does...
[07:00] <jdrake> You can download the mpc plugin from the svn repository. I can tell you that you have to change into the directory, do: ./configure && make, then sudo make install. If that worked, then it should now be installed. I make no guarantees about compatibility and don't have too much time to give fine tuned instructions.
[07:02] <Darkkish> i have no idea how to do that >_>
[07:03] <jdrake> Hmm, what is this thing and why do you want it?
[07:03] <Darkkish> well i have it downloaded
[07:03] <Darkkish> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[07:03] <jdrake> What does pwd give you back
[07:03] <Darkkish> sorry i'm a linux n00b so i'll be a bit of a pain
[07:04] <Darkkish> /home/nick/Desktop
[07:04] <jdrake> type ls, and copy the results to a pastebin site (like pastebin.ca and paste back the url)
[07:04] <Darkkish> xfce4-mpc-plugin-0.3.0.tar.gz
[07:04] <Darkkish> thats it.
[07:04] <Darkkish> :p
[07:04] <jdrake> ok, that is fine.
[07:04] <Darkkish> i keep it nice and clean.
[07:05] <jdrake> tar xzf xfce4- (the rest of the name can be completed by pressing tab)
[07:05] <jdrake> Then there should be a new entry.
[07:05] <Darkkish> ok there appears to be a new dir or file
[07:05] <Darkkish> a new dir
[07:05] <jdrake> ok, cd xfce4-mpc-plugin-0.3.0
[07:06] <jdrake> Or whatever the name is
[07:06] <Darkkish> k
[07:06] <Darkkish> in
[07:06] <jdrake> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[07:06] <Darkkish> wow
[07:06] <Darkkish> ok
[07:07] <jdrake> There may be other options, but I do not know them, so I am going simplified route.
[07:07] <Darkkish> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables -_-
[07:07] <jdrake> Type gcc
[07:07] <Darkkish> gcc: no input fules
[07:07] <Darkkish> files*
[07:07] <jdrake> Hmm, you are missing compiler stuff I suspect.
[07:07] <Darkkish> probably
[07:07] <Darkkish> its a pretty clean install'
[07:08] <jdrake> Find out if binutils are installed
[07:08] <Darkkish> yes it is
[07:09] <jdrake> libc6-dev
[07:10] <Darkkish> k i'm installing that
[07:10] <Darkkish> k thats installed...
[07:11] <Darkkish> now it appears to be working
[07:11] <jdrake> Go and check all of the xfce packages and make sure that all of the -dev versions are installed.
[07:11] <jdrake> Only the -dev versions for what you currently have installed that is.
[07:11] <jdrake> You will be installing quite a few packages I suspect.
[07:11] <jdrake> You can probably do a multiple selection with control and clicking each one
[07:12] <Darkkish> not in synaptic i don't think
[07:12] <jdrake> Also, I wouldn't be too concerned about you being a newbie, you are definitely trying and have a good grounding in some of the basics.
[07:12] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:12] <jdrake> I have done it in synaptic, but whatever, just get the task done some way :p.
[07:13] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:13] <Darkkish> shit
[07:13] <Darkkish> *** The required package libxfce4panel-1.0 was not found on your system.
[07:13] <Darkkish> please install or adjust yadda yadda
[07:14] <Darkkish> i don't really have time for this >_> i wish i did, i really want to get this working.
[07:14] <Darkkish> but i g2g man
[07:14] <Darkkish> thanks for all your help so far
[07:14] <Darkkish> night
[07:14] <jdrake> No, problem
[07:14] <jdrake> night.
[08:38] <leaphisto> anyone familiar with the nomachine nx software?
[08:48] <kristjans> how do i access
[08:48] <kristjans> my usb memory stick
[08:49] <SatanGolga> mine pops up on the Desktop
[08:50] <kristjans> okay
[08:50] <kristjans> i'll see if it is in the desktop directory, thx
[08:50] <kristjans> hm
[08:51] <kristjans> is it possible to restore files on it?
[08:51] <kristjans> :P
[08:51] <kristjans> i did something real stupid
[08:51] <kristjans> i know there were some applications
[08:51] <kristjans> for windows that restored hdd, but it's
[08:51] <kristjans> physical
[08:57] <cryosphere> how do I set up my printer?
[10:41] <leaphisto> how can i access my recent x-session?
[10:41] <leaphisto> or how can i start x11vnc by remote
[10:52] <Odd_Bloke> My terminal window takes a long time to refresh the screen whenever I change tabs or move to it from a different window. Is this to be expected?
[10:58] <NthDegree> Odd_Bloke, what spec PC do you have?
[10:59] <Odd_Bloke> NthDegree: Athlon64 XP3000+ w/GeForce2 (using nv drivers).
[10:59] <NthDegree> Odd_Bloke, try with the nvidia drivers
[10:59] <NthDegree> as opposed to nv
[11:00] <Odd_Bloke> NthDegree: Can't get them to work ATM.
[11:00] <NthDegree> there's 2 lots
[11:00] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, I know.
[11:00] <NthDegree> neither of them work?
[11:00] <Odd_Bloke> I'm getting a kernel/driver mismatch when I try the legacy drivers.
[11:00] <NthDegree> hmmm
[11:01] <Odd_Bloke> And the normal drivers never worked for me in Edgy.
[11:01] <NthDegree> that may be why it's slow
[11:01] <NthDegree> I haven't personally tried feisty
[11:01] <NthDegree> but I can tell you this:
[11:01] <NthDegree> it's likely to have a certain amount of debug stuff switched on
[11:01] <NthDegree> which will slow it a bit
[11:02] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, that probably explains it.
[11:02] <Odd_Bloke> It's no biggie, I was just wondering if I was doing something stupid. :p
[12:00] <Odd_Bloke> Where should I file bugs against Xubuntu Feisty?
[12:01] <gpocentek> Odd_Bloke: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[02:27] <Vincent_k> is there a command to check disk capacity?
[02:28] <Odd_Bloke> Vincent_k: 'df -h'
[02:28] <Vincent_k> thanks
[02:28] <Odd_Bloke> No worries.
[02:41] <linux_> hey anyone
[02:41] <darrend_laptop> anyone know why there's no init.d script for iptables?  What's the recommended way of re-applying rules on startup?
[02:41] <linux_> what about probel with desktop refresh in xubuntu?
[02:42] <linux_> gamin/thunar bug
[02:43] <darrend_laptop> (or am I better off asking in #ubuntu perhaps)
[03:41] <Darkkish^zZz> so did ./make --prefix=/usr
[03:41] <Darkkish^zZz> er
[03:41] <Darkkish^zZz> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[03:41] <Darkkish^zZz> and then ./configure && make
[03:41] <Darkkish^zZz> but the file isn't showing up where it should...
[04:48] <frojnd> I opened torrent with return
[04:48] <frojnd> and then I set the path to download by ^O
[04:48] <frojnd> it was like ./media/sdb2/games/
[04:48] <frojnd> and torrent is still unactive
[04:49] <frojnd> if I ^s torrent will start downloading?
[04:54] <grazie>  frojnd you talking about rtorrent? Don't know of a rtorrent channel.... maybe you should ping leaphisto? ....and take it #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:14] <BFTD> hey sacater
[05:14] <sacater> hi
[05:14] <sacater> how u
[05:17] <BFTD> not good
[05:18] <BFTD> I'm dieing
[05:18] <BFTD> some guy is stealing my village
[05:32] <frojnd> leaphisto: here?
[05:59] <sacater> BFTD: im back, village theft is terrible
[06:07] <BFTD> sacater, haha tribalwars.net
[06:07] <sacater> ah
[06:58] <BFTD> how would i open a .rar in linux?
[07:02] <Odd_Bloke> BFTD: Install unrar?
[07:05] <gabkdlly> BFTD: I like file-roller myself
[07:05] <gabkdlly> but you will still need to install unrar
[07:05] <BFTD> I can't find unrar
[07:07] <gabkdlly> did you try the synaptic search feature?
[07:07] <BFTD> got it
[08:30] <ephemeros> evening
[08:32] <grazie> hi there
[08:51] <grazie> Well 7 is about the lowest by far I've seen on this channel :)
[09:42] <tuxcrafter> JIM were are you
[09:43] <tuxcrafter> j1mc: are you thre
[09:46] <posingaspopular> tuxcrafter: he's not there
[09:46] <posingaspopular> he's not in #ubuntu-chicago
[09:48] <tuxcrafter> posingaspopular: do you no where he is
[09:48] <posingaspopular> tuxcrafter: probably work.
[09:48] <tuxcrafter> alright
[09:49] <posingaspopular> from what i know
[09:49] <posingaspopular> he usually logs in around 6
[09:49] <posingaspopular> or 3 hours from now
[09:49] <posingaspopular> chicago time
[09:50] <tuxcrafter> than it is midnight here :-D
[09:50] <tuxcrafter> here is +1 UTC
[10:26] <lesshaste> is it possible to get the beryl eye candy with xfce?
[10:27] <grazie> lesshaste: yes
[10:27] <lesshaste> grazie, could you give me some tips please :)
[10:28] <lesshaste> grazie, I want something to impress my mac friends :)
[10:28] <posingaspopular> lesshaste: if thats the case, get Aero
[10:28] <posingaspopular> I kid, I kid
[10:28] <lesshaste> I don't even know what aero is
[10:29] <grazie> lesshaste: on installing beryl or just getting a distro with xfce + beryl
[10:29] <OsamaBinAWESOME> lesshaste: it's the vista eye candy
[10:29] <OsamaBinAWESOME> it sucks
[10:29] <lesshaste> grazie, on installing beryl and making it beautiful I suppose
[10:30] <grazie> !beryl | lesshaste
[10:30] <ubotu> lesshaste: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:31] <grazie> lesshaste: or check out the forums...it can be tricky to get it working
[10:31] <grazie> lesshaste: you on x86?
[10:31] <lesshaste> yes
[10:31] <lesshaste> toshiba r200
[10:31] <lesshaste> intel 915G chipset
[10:32] <grazie> lesshaste: sam is a really good distro for checking out xfce+beryl...just download it
[10:32] <lesshaste> a new linux distro??
[10:33] <lesshaste> I would rather to it from the current setup.. reinstalling is a pain for me
[10:35] <grazie> sam is a live cd.
[10:35] <grazie> I don't like beryl particularly, although there's same great work been done...not the best person to ask
[10:37] <Dylan_> Is anyone here that could help me?
[10:37] <posingasopular> Dylan_: what did you break?
[10:38] <Prodoc> good evenin'
[10:38] <Dylan_> well, i am trying to install xubuntu on a ibook G3/ one usb/ blue laptop, but it tells me that i don't have enough ram, also if i get it to work, it loads so slowly that it took about a half hour to load the icons
[10:39] <grazie> Dylan_: you need the alternate cd
[10:39] <Prodoc> I just installed xubuntu and everything worked like a charm, congrats!
[10:39] <Dylan_> ah....where could i get that
[10:40] <grazie> Dylan_: same page you got the desktop cd?
[10:40] <Prodoc> even installing php5 and mysql worked without any problems but postgresql didn't
[10:41] <grazie> !download | Dylan_
[10:41] <ubotu> Dylan_: Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[10:42] <Dylan_> I do not under stand what teh alternate CD is... is it the other release?
[10:42] <Dylan_> Oh jeez, i said teh. Sorry.
[10:42] <Prodoc> first I used 'sudo apt-get install postgresql' but I got the following error: 'Package postgresql is not available...However the following packages replace it: postgresql-common postgresql-client-common'
[10:43] <Prodoc> so I entered 'sudo apt-get install postgresql-common postgresql-client-common'
[10:44] <Prodoc> though I've got the feeling nothing much got installed
[10:44] <grazie> Prodoc: synaptic is a great tool for searching and then installing related packages
[10:46] <Prodoc> heh, now why didn't I think of that :-$ I just did what was written in the ubuntu documentation
[10:46] <grazie> :)
[10:47] <Prodoc> should I remove postgresql-common and postgresql-client-common again?
[10:47] <Dylan_> Thanks, I see it now. It should work fine with only 3 gigs of Hard Drive memory, right?
[10:48] <grazie> Prodoc: I wouldn't unless you don't think you need them any more
[10:48] <grazie> Dylan_: it'll fit.. no much scope for lots of apps and data though....how much ram?
[10:49] <grazie> not*
[10:49] <Prodoc> to tell you the truth I don't have a clue what they are for, I just installed it because it was suggested in the error message
[10:49] <Dylan_> The person before me upgraded it.... so around 90 mb
[10:50] <grazie> Prodoc: they're client packages to a postgresql db//if that what's you want?
[10:50] <Dylan_> OSX was so slow and glitchy i had to get rid of it.
[10:51] <grazie> Dylan_: 90mb will work...no go for osx though :(
[10:51] <Prodoc> I want to run postgresql to play with it but I've never done it before
[10:51] <Dylan_> it took about 4-6 mins to start up
[10:52] <grazie> Prodoc: any particular reason for wanting postgresql rather than mysql?
[10:53] <Prodoc> because I want to get familiar with that db as well
[10:53] <Prodoc> so I'm setting up a dev environment
[10:53] <Prodoc> for website devb
[10:53] <Prodoc> -b
[10:53] <Prodoc> or at least trying to ;-)
[10:54] <Prodoc> but I see that those packages are required anyway
[10:56] <grazie> Prodoc: a db server is not much good without clients....would be easier to try one and then the other one later
[10:58] <Prodoc> I need both db's for different projects
[10:59] <Prodoc> where in xubuntu can I find an overview of my system specs?
[11:00] <Prodoc> I've got a second HD in my system which isn't partitioned yet though I can find a place to do so
[11:02] <skywalker> hello anyone have a problem with updateing?
[11:03] <grazie> skywalker: using update manager?
[11:04] <grazie> Prodoc: gparted is great tool to set up partitions on a disk
[11:04] <skywalker> yea when I update it changed my internet connection to wired connection and Iam on a wireless and then I cant get online anymore unless I boot to the other kern  10 not 11
[11:04] <avalon_> Can someone explain to me how I can get my USB Headset working with the Xine engine?
[11:05] <grazie> skywalker: so you've got a network config problem?
[11:06] <skywalker> only when I update
[11:06] <Prodoc> there's no tool included by default which can create one big partition on the second hd?
[11:06] <skywalker> so I picked install security updats only
[11:07] <grazie> skywalker: this happens every time you try to update?
[11:07] <skywalker> and I had the same problem with the 11 but I styll booted to 10 and I was wondering if the security updates are running in 10 as well?
[11:07] <skywalker> yes
[11:08] <grazie> Prodoc: there's no gui tools by default, but linux cli tools are standard
[11:08] <skywalker> in the software sources I have to conf
[11:09] <grazie> skywalker: I'm have trouble understanding. What do you mean by 10 and 11?
[11:09] <Prodoc> ok, and a gui for all general system specs? (CPU, RAM, etc)
[11:10] <skywalker> Iam running Ubuntu 10 the version of the kernial
[11:10] <skywalker> sorry tyop*
[11:10] <skywalker> tired
[11:10] <Prodoc> not as in usage but amount of RAM present, CPU spee, etc
[11:10] <Prodoc> +d
[11:13] <grazie> Prodoc: htop is a great little graphic tool (in the repos), but not a gui. There are lots of choices...it's up to you to find what you want
[11:15] <Prodoc> ok, thanks for all the info grazie
[11:15] <grazie> np
[11:15] <Prodoc> (gparted works like a charm)
[11:16] <skywalker> grazie the Kernel 10 upgradeing to 11
[11:17] <skywalker> Ubuntu 6.10
[11:17] <grazie> skywalker: in a terminal type 'uname -r'
[11:17] <grazie> skywalker: that will return the kernal version
[11:18] <grazie> maxamillion: hi
[11:18] <skywalker> ok 2.6.17-10-generic
[11:18] <maxamillion> grazie: hello
[11:19] <skywalker> now if I go and upgrade to 2.6.17-11-generic it changes my network card to wired connection
[11:19] <skywalker> no more wireless
[11:19] <skywalker> gone
[11:19] <skywalker> poof lol
[11:19] <grazie> skywalker: I understand now
[11:20] <skywalker> not realy a big problem Iam just alittel worried about the security
[11:21] <RememberPOL> Is there a GUI NTP client available?
[11:21] <grazie> skywalker: not a security problem I don't think
[11:21] <grazie> RememberPOL: ftp?
[11:22] <RememberPOL> NTP
[11:22] <BFTD> I art here
[11:22] <skywalker> mmm okthen I dont care
[11:22] <skywalker> great
[11:22] <skywalker> lol
[11:23] <grazie> skywalker: when the kernel is updated, kernel modules need to be updated too. Your wifi modules should have been updated too
[11:23] <RememberPOL> grazie: An interface to `ntpdate`.. It comes standard in Ubuntu.
[11:24] <grazie> RememberPOL: I don't know of any gui. What the gui called in Ubuntu?
[11:26] <RememberPOL> Probably gnome-*something.
[11:26] <skywalker> mmm grazie what is Proprietary drivers for devices?
[11:27] <RememberPOL> grazie: Actually, it appears to be `time-admin`
[11:27] <RememberPOL> And it _is_ available on Xubuntu...
[11:27] <RememberPOL> There's just no easy link to it...
[11:28] <RememberPOL> In Ubuntu's gnome setup, if you right click on the task bar clock, you get the option to invoke `time-admin`.
[11:28] <grazie> skywalker: I don't understand you question
[11:28] <lobianco> hello all ... it's my first time on IRC ;-)
[11:29] <maxamillion> lobianco: welcome :)
[11:29] <grazie> RememberPOL: can you not right click and get props in gnome?
[11:29] <RememberPOL> ....
[11:29] <skywalker> in the software sources
[11:29] <grazie> lobianco: hi there
[11:29] <RememberPOL> This is Xubuntu
[11:29] <RememberPOL> XFCE
[11:29] <lobianco> thanks maxamillion
[11:30] <grazie> RememberPOL: You telling about an app on Ubuntu!
[11:30] <lobianco> I have a problem installaing xubuntu...
[11:30] <lobianco> can I ask it here?
[11:30] <RememberPOL> grazie: Forget it.  I figured it out.
[11:31] <skywalker> I like Ubuntu I cant wate to put it my laptop
[11:32] <RememberPOL> I'm running Xubuntu 6.10 on my laptop
[11:32] <RememberPOL> Had mainstream Ubuntu, before
[11:32] <skywalker> its a IBM so it should be more compatidle
[11:32] <hyper_ch> !java
[11:32] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[11:32] <hyper_ch> !java virtual machine
[11:32] <RememberPOL> Everything works fine except for the fact I need to restart and turn off by holding the button at password screen because the system hangs on shutdown :|
[11:32] <maxamillion> !jvm
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <skywalker> compatible*
[11:32] <maxamillion> !info jvm
[11:32] <ubotu> Package jvm does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:33] <RememberPOL> !sun-java
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sun-java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <RememberPOL> *shrug*
[11:33] <jmichaelx> !ati
[11:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:33] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: you know what package jvm is?
[11:34] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: sun-java5-jvm
[11:34] <maxamillion> !info sun-java5-jvm
[11:34] <ubotu> Package sun-java5-jvm does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[11:34] <maxamillion> hmmmm
[11:34] <maxamillion> hold on
[11:34] <lobianco> I am try to install "alternative CD" on a old 64 MB laptop but I am suck with "Configuring anthy".. I mean hours on 65%.. and I am not the only one..
[11:35] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I have now installed cacao and jamvm
[11:35] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oooo ... it's jre for java runtime environment
[11:35] <grazie> lobianco: you can kill the process
[11:35] <maxamillion> !info sun-java5-jre
[11:35] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[11:36] <hyper_ch> where can I find the executable?
[11:36] <skywalker> I got wine 31 to run for the first time in my linuxing
[11:36] <Ubugtu> Wine bug 31 in misc-bugs "Enhancement:  Add ability for user to take bug with one click" [Enhancement,Closed: fixed]  http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31
[11:36] <grazie> :)
[11:36] <skywalker> lol
[11:36] <skywalker> wine
[11:37] <skywalker> wine31
[11:37] <skywalker> hoo  how come only 72 people
[11:37] <skywalker> why the other channel is 100000000000 people on it thats insane
[11:38] <lobianco> hello.. I am suck with xubuntu installation....
[11:38] <skywalker> wine 31
[11:38] <Ubugtu> Wine bug 31 in misc-bugs "Enhancement:  Add ability for user to take bug with one click" [Enhancement,Closed: fixed]  http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31
[11:38] <lobianco> it stops on 65% on "Configuring anthy"... any advise??
[11:38] <grazie> lobianco: you can kill the process anthy
[11:39] <grazie> lobianco: hit atl+f2
[11:39] <lobianco> how can find the PID...??
[11:39] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: /etc/java-1.5.0-sun/ /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/
[11:39] <maxamillion> hyper_ch:  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/
[11:39] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i dunno why my paste brought in the /etc/java-1.5.0-sun/  ... sorry
[11:39] <lobianco> grazie: "killall anthy" ?
[11:40] <grazie> lobianco: try that yes
[11:41] <lobianco> grazie: "no process killed".. really I think it is the installer process that is running, not anthy
[11:41] <grazie> lobianco: try 'grep aux | grep -i anthy'
[11:42] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: can you try getting a program to run?
[11:43] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: sure
[11:43] <maxamillion> what's up?
[11:44] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: http://www.steuern.sg.ch/home/sachthemen/eservices/ereigniss/schrit/download_der_steuererklaerung.Download.html?os=Linux
[11:44] <hyper_ch> trying to get this tax program to run
[11:44] <hyper_ch> http://www.steuern.sg.ch/home/sachthemen/eservices/ereigniss/schrit/download_der_steuererklaerung.html
[11:44] <grazie> lobianco: this should work  'grep aux | grep -i mkworddic'
[11:44] <hyper_ch> Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM.
[11:44] <hyper_ch> You can also try to delete the JVM cache file /home/hyper/.install4j
[11:44] <hyper_ch> but I pointed out that jre folder :(
[11:47] <lobianco> grazie: doesn't do anything.. also here they discuss of the same error: http://irc-archive.com/read/FreeNode/linux/2007-01-05/18 (user jonty_rocks3)
[11:47] <lobianco> grazie: now I try the latter one..
[11:47] <grazie> lobianco: here to >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1746624
[11:48] <BFTD> hyper_ch, it works great for me
[11:48] <hyper_ch> WHY=?????
[11:49] <hyper_ch> :(
[11:49] <BFTD> hrm...
[11:49] <BFTD> hold on
[11:50] <BFTD> hyper_ch do you have the multiverse and universe repos enabled?
[11:50] <hyper_ch> BFTD: yes
[11:51] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i can't speak the langauge ... but the application launched an installer ... is that enough of a test?
[11:51] <BFTD> hyper_ch install jre 1.6
[11:51] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: yes it is
[11:51] <hyper_ch> BFTD: what's the package?
[11:51] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: try running ... "sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java"
[11:51] <BFTD> not sure
[11:51] <BFTD> I'm not in Xubuntu atm
[11:51] <hyper_ch> BFTD: thx :)
[11:51] <BFTD> jsut search for jre or java
[11:52] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: hmm, I got it working now also after I did set the path in the installer.sh file itself
[11:52] <BFTD> I usually install everything on those subjects and se if it works :P
[11:53] <hyper_ch> thx for the help :)
[11:54] <lobianco> thanks grazie.. I didn't find it with google.. I solved with PS and then killing the process.. it is now continue the installation..
[11:54] <grazie> lobianco: great!
[11:54] <leaphisto> frojnd: now here
[11:54] <lobianco> ;-)
[11:54] <hyper_ch> I think it's great that they offer the tax program also for linux :)
[11:55] <hyper_ch> well, it's written in java hence not much complications to get it to run on windows or mac or linux :) but still it's great
[11:55] <frojnd> leaphisto: I have for my default path for downloading: /media/sdb2/ and now don't know how to reseed the torrents that are in ./
[11:56] <frojnd> we are talking about rtorrent
[12:05] <yaccin> anyone running feisty?
[12:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone
[12:05] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:05] <yaccin> :P
[12:05] <yaccin> is xubuntu feisty as stable as kubuntu feisty? ^^
[12:05] <maxamillion> yaccin: not at the moment i don't think so
[12:05] <yaccin> ah ok
[12:06] <atarinox> hi, can somebody help me out. i'm trying to figure out how to access windows shared folders on my local network in xubuntu
[12:06] <maxamillion> yaccin: but then again ... i haven't touched kubuntu so i could be wrong
[12:06] <yaccin> so better use edgy with xfce? :)
[12:06] <yaccin> heh
[12:06] <atarinox> i installed hte packages under system>shared folders
[12:06] <yaccin> im running kubuntu feisty now :)
[12:06] <maxamillion> probably
[12:06] <atarinox> now im lost
[12:06] <yaccin> atarinox: it would be easy with konqueror :/
[12:06] <hyper_ch> yaccin: konqui can also be installed :)
[12:07] <yaccin> hyper_ch: but isnt by default :D
[12:07] <yaccin> oh... how do i add gtk/metacity themes i downloaded from xfce-look or gnome-look?
[12:07] <yaccin> on kde tehres systemseetings where you can easyli install them
[12:07] <yaccin> *settings
[12:08] <yaccin> gah damn my typing :D
[12:08] <notMaxamillion> !language
[12:08] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:08] <notMaxamillion> bah!!!
[12:08] <yaccin> !(&$ my typing? ^_^
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about my typing? ^_^ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <yaccin> lol
[12:10] <hyper_ch> well, yaccin the things that are default were made upon a choice by someone but that choice doesn't say it's the best one for everybody :9
[12:10] <yaccin> !changethemes isnt really helpfull
[12:10] <yaccin> hyper_ch: i know :)
[12:11] <yaccin> hmm i would be happy if tehre was a DE like xfce, based on QT and not GTK annd as easyli configurable as KDE is ^^
[12:12] <grazie> yaccin: extract themes to ~/.themes and icons to ~/.icons...done
[12:12] <yaccin> ah thx :)
[12:12] <yaccin> thats great :D
[12:13] <yaccin> when you install xubuntu do you already have k3b or something like that?
[12:14] <grazie> yaccin: Xfburn....never worked for me...I use graveman which is great
[12:14] <yaccin> never heard of both :D ill take a look at them
[12:15] <skywalker> is thier anymore free emulatiors besides wine
[12:15] <yaccin> do they both burn DVDs also?
[12:16] <yaccin> graveman does :)
[12:16] <skywalker> I only run one windums app its a chat prog
[12:16] <maxamillion> graveman is awesome
[12:16] <grazie> yaccin: Xfburn - no
[12:16] <yaccin> !graveman
[12:16] <ubotu> graveman: graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.12-5-1 (edgy), package size 692 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[12:16] <yaccin> i love k3b :)
[12:16] <BFTD> !graveman
[12:17] <hyper_ch> yaccin: i use also k3b and k9copy
[12:17] <yaccin> hmm is there a gtk-based application like amarok?
[12:17] <grazie> k3b is out of place on xfce
[12:17] <yaccin> k9copy is great :)
[12:17] <yaccin> but i dont have a DVD Burner yet
[12:17] <yaccin> but i ordered one today
[12:17] <yaccin> :D
[12:17] <yaccin> graveman looks nice :)
[12:17] <yaccin> i think ill try it
[12:18] <hyper_ch> grazie: why?
[12:18] <grazie> hyper_ch:  those kdelibs....alternates are nearly always better
[12:18] <skywalker> !Microsucks
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microsucks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <hyper_ch> grazie: why? or rather compared to what are they better?
[12:19] <skywalker> !Nukerosoft
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nukerosoft - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <grazie> yaccin: never used amarok, but exaile is supposed to be getting good
[12:21] <grazie> hyper_ch: any app on xfce that doesn't need resource hungry kdelibs will always have advantages
[12:21] <hyper_ch> grazie: for something compared to be better you relay on some kind of value-system... however if you the basic principles on what you base your values on then something else can be considered better... in my case I don't restrict myself on gtk / qt issues
[12:22] <hyper_ch> grazie: your value system is only based on system usage... I base  my value system of what app can do the best for my needs...
[12:22] <grazie> hyper_ch: absolutely...each to their own....but I installed xfce to light...top priority
[12:23] <grazie> hyper_ch: having said always prefer to use opera over any of the alternatives
[12:23] <hyper_ch> grazie: I didn't... I installed it because default kde and gnome has just too much unnecessary eyecandy :) I differentiate between gui and usability :)
[12:24] <hyper_ch> grazie: shouldn't you go for lynx then instead of Opera?
[12:24] <yaccin> oh exaile looks nice
[12:24] <yaccin> and it has playlist-tabs :D
[12:25] <PGraves> Guys, I just installed Ubuntu on a brand new system and I can't get any sound.... I'm a linux novice and I've been googling, but not having too much luck on solving this problem. Can someone help me?
[12:25] <grazie> hyper_ch: being using opera for quite a while and I like it...lynx just doesn't compare