[12:19] <ogra> its a commitment at least
[12:19] <bimberi> hi RichE :)
[12:21] <bimberi> er, RichEd
[12:22] <RichEd> :)
[12:22] <bimberi> RichEd: the issue with the link to the NSW Dept of Ed story is a trailing ). Remove it and it works fine: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Video_DET_considers_Linux_on_the_desktop/0,130061733,339272567,00.htm
[12:24] <cbx33> nn RichEd -> pm
[12:25] <RichEd> thanks bimberi : getting a bit late to check loooong links in my browser :)
[12:25] <RichEd> i mean long URLs ... eyes are fading
[12:25] <bimberi> :)
[12:26] <lns> hey all
[12:27] <RichEd> bimberi: it's loaded ... i'll read it in the morning
[12:27] <RichEd> we're looking for people to invite to the education summit:
[12:27] <RichEd> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UES-Sevilla
[12:28] <cliebow_> ijn?
[12:28] <RichEd> NSW may have some candidates
[12:28] <cliebow_> in?
[12:28] <RichEd> Sevilla Spain ... check out the link
[12:28] <cliebow_> i am
[12:28] <RichEd> 2 days of education summit prior to UDS
[12:28] <cliebow_> 8~)\
[12:29] <lns> Hey this might be a real dumb question, but is there a more 'advanced' GUI user/group editor for Edubuntu/Ubuntu, other than the stock one? There's no search capability, some things sorting usernames doesn't even work..?
[12:30] <lns> I looked at schooltool but i don't think it delves into user management
[01:55] <ajmitch> interesting, hearing of edubuntu use in NZ
[11:30] <cbx33> ogra, if i install a 2 nic edubutnu server....but I don't want to use DHCP....will it still work?
[11:36] <cbx33> ltsp-build-client (edgy) just failed on this machine
[11:36] <cbx33> about creating the fd symlink
[12:27] <sorush20> hi
[12:28] <sorush20> what book would be good for finding out how to expand vocabulary in english
[12:37] <damien_> hi
[12:38] <damien_> is there anyone that can help me ?
[12:38] <cbx33> depends on the problem
[12:38] <damien_> :)
[12:38] <damien_> general questions regarding edubuntu
[12:38] <cbx33> shoot
[12:39] <damien_> my brother is french, disabled and I'm reseraching a good distro for the place where he lives
[12:40] <damien_> they have very old pc (pentium, pentium 2, pentium 3) but no big server fir LTSP
[12:41] <damien_> I have no idea if edubuntu is really good for impaired people and I can't find any local french community
[12:42] <cbx33> hmm
[12:42] <cbx33> well you don't have to install as LTSP
[12:42] <damien_> and of course there isn't anyone that know linux very well there
[12:43] <damien_> I just wanted to know if edubuntu is good enough in french and if software in edubuntu (gcompris for instance) are not ocmplicated for impaired people
[12:44] <damien_> (sorry for not being polically correct, but i don't know the right words in english)
[12:47] <damien_> so can I recommand Edubuntu for this use, knowing that i won't be there to support their network ?
[12:47] <cbx33> i would think it would be fine
[12:47] <cbx33> and your english is excellent
[12:49] <damien_> and can "anyone" manage about 20-30 pc without LTSP ?
[12:51] <stgraber> a dpend ce que tu entends par "grer", si c'est crer des comptes pouvant se loguer sur toutes les machines (style domaine Windows), il faudra un serveur grant les comptes, si c'est pour les mises  jour, il suffira que la personne se logue pour pouvoir le faire donc oui
[12:51] <stgraber> hi RichEd
[12:51] <RichEd> hi stgraber
[12:51] <RichEd> hello jsgotangco
[12:52] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hello long time no chat
[12:53] <RichEd> jsgotangco: been on the road so to speak
[12:53] <jsgotangco> oh a road warrior
[12:54] <RichEd> more like air warrior ... but yes armed to travel
[12:56] <jsgotangco> ive been travelling myself, i know the feeling :/
[01:01] <jsgotangco> so how's it going
[01:03] <damien_> Thanks for answering my question. I will recommend edubuntu. My brother will be happy for sure.
[01:03] <damien_> bye.
[02:39] <TeePOG> hi everyone
[02:56] <rockprincess> hello everyone! :D
[02:56] <rockprincess> good news!
[02:56] <rockprincess> i fixed the problem i had yesterday...
[02:59] <RichEd> hi TeePOG , rockprincess
[02:59] <rockprincess> hi RichEd :D
[02:59] <TeePOG> hi RichEd mate
[02:59] <RichEd> rockprincess: when you are done, we'll need to change your name to ubunturocksprincess
[03:00] <TeePOG> lol
[03:00] <rockprincess> hehe
[03:00] <TeePOG> girls love long, erm, nicks
[03:00] <TeePOG> *duck*
[03:00] <rockprincess> is mine really that long? ;)
[03:01] <TeePOG> well, if RichEd has his way with your nick, it will be
[03:01] <rockprincess> 5 of 6 machines booted fine :)
[03:01] <rockprincess> haha :) I'm fine with that ;)
[03:01] <HackphiL> salut there
[03:01] <TeePOG> hi HackphiL
[03:02] <HackphiL> I'm a newbie with edubuntu
[03:02] <RichEd> rockprincess: now if one of the boys asked that " is mine really that long? ;)" that would be an entirely different question.
[03:02] <TeePOG> why does edgy not have a manual entry for dhcpd.conf?
[03:02] <TeePOG> more to the point, which package provides it?
[03:02] <TeePOG> lol RichEd
[03:02] <TeePOG> we'd be talking about uptime
[03:03] <rockprincess> RichEd: hahaha, haven't thought on that :D
[03:04] <TeePOG> ciao RichEd
[03:18] <cbx33> hey rockprincess
[03:18] <cbx33> howz it going
[03:18] <cbx33> anyone here expereienced problems with TFTP
[03:18] <cbx33> E32 tftp open timeout
[03:18] <rockprincess> hey Pete :)
[03:19] <rockprincess> cbx33: my edubuntu network runs smoothly, thanks to Juliux :D
[03:19] <cbx33> nice
[03:20] <rockprincess> cbx33: I'll start with the User Testing next Monday :D
[03:25] <cbx33> does anyone know, hmm......i need to put my pxe on a different machine to the edubuntu server
[03:25] <cbx33> is this possible?
[03:27] <TeePOG> hmm
[03:27] <TeePOG> i know it's possible to put the ltsp on a different server than the dhcp server
[03:27] <cbx33> oh yeh I'm doing that already :p
[03:27] <TeePOG> but do not know enough about your problem cbx33
[03:27] <TeePOG> sorry
[03:28] <cbx33> bascially my NICs suck
[03:28] <TeePOG> ah
[03:28] <TeePOG> yes?
[03:28] <cbx33> and don;t respond properly to the DHCP
[03:28] <TeePOG> ahhh
[03:28] <cbx33> they try to connect to the DHCP server as the TFTP server
[03:28] <cbx33> and ignore boot server commnad
[03:29] <cbx33> i saw a post where someone placed their tftp server on the dhcp server as a workaround
[03:29] <cbx33> so i wanted to try that out
[03:30] <TeePOG> why not nfs-mount the pxe on a different server, and nfs-mount it to the edubuntu server?
[03:31] <cbx33> hang on runthat by me again
[03:31] <cbx33> how will that help?
[03:31] <cbx33> the tftp server actually hasto be running elsewhere, on the dhcp server
[03:32] <cbx33> http://syslinux.zytor.com/archives/2006-September/007287.html
[03:40] <cliebow> Yip Yip Yippee@@
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <cbx33> cliebow: you seem hapy in all channels :p
[03:47] <cliebow> well igot this "no hardware left behind" solaris installing!
[03:50] <TeePOG> bye all
[04:06] <sbalneav> Congrats to Ollie!!!
[04:06] <sbalneav> ogra++
[04:06] <sbalneav> edubuntugirl: ogra++
[04:08] <rockprincess> I'm back!
[04:08] <rockprincess> at one of the machines i got the following message:
[04:09] <rockprincess> BusyBox v1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[04:09] <rockprincess> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands
[04:09] <rockprincess> .... /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[04:10] <rockprincess> i then pressed ctrl+alt+del and rebooted the machine...and then it worked fine
[04:10] <sbalneav> Usually that's NFS slowness
[04:10] <sbalneav> Are you on a hub, or a switch?
[04:10] <rockprincess> switch
[04:10] <cliebow> somehow didnt get mounted filesystem?
[04:11] <sbalneav> Does it do it consistently, or a one-time thing?
[04:11] <rockprincess> that was a one-time thing....but i'm afraid it could turn up again....
[04:11] <rockprincess> could it be caused by starting two machines at the same time?
[04:12] <rockprincess> the performance of all 6 machines was fine :D
[04:12] <rockprincess> can't complain
[04:12] <sbalneav> It's possible.  What kind of network card is in the server for the terminals?
[04:12] <rockprincess> a 3com....but soon to be replaced by a Realtech
[04:13] <sbalneav> 3com what?  And what kind of realteck? Not an 8139?
[04:14] <sbalneav> Don't skimp on the network card.  Use something good, like an intel ether express 100, something that's got a ring buffer, and can store up a couple of packets per interrupt.
[04:14] <sbalneav> Otherwise, the network card can drop packets.  That interface will be very busy.
[04:15] <rockprincess> ok...i'll have a look for the intel ether express 100
[04:17] <a5benwillis> sbalneav: You're busy this morning, helping on two chans :-)
[04:17] <sbalneav> That, and actually trying to do my job, as well :)
[04:18] <a5benwillis> Good on ya.
[04:19] <rockprincess> sbalneav: i'm afraid the intel ether express is unavailable in austria....
[04:21] <sbalneav> e100?
[04:21] <sbalneav> Not available?  Man!
[04:21] <rockprincess> but maybe this is the same one, only labelled differently... http://geizhals.at/a10887.html
[04:21] <sbalneav> yeah
[04:22] <sbalneav> that
[04:22] <sbalneav> thats it.
[04:22] <rockprincess> what's the difference between the desktop and the server adapter?
[04:23] <sbalneav> Server will have more buffer space.  Get that one.
[04:23] <rockprincess> ok
[04:39] <cbx33> w00t
[04:39] <cbx33> it works ;)
[04:40] <cbx33> oooh I'm so blogging about this
[05:57] <highvoltage> see bee ex three three
[05:58] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[05:58] <cbx33> don;t do that man
[05:58] <cbx33> I'll never see you coming :p
[06:01] <cliebow> so im in recovery mode looking at filesystem on a sun with dapper installed..at normal bootup i see init version 2.85..then fails saying /proc is already mounted..can i assume contro is now in rc.sysiniit?
[06:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: :)
[06:18] <cbx33> damn Intel Boot Agent
[06:18] <cbx33> ;)
[06:18] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=247
[06:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: shouldn't that be "school's Edubuntu Server"?
[06:39] <highvoltage> cbx33: nice entry, btw
[06:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: and when you refer to Microsoft Windows, then you should spell Windows with a capital dubya
[06:46] <Burgwork> hey highvoltage, cbx33
[06:46] <Burgwork> highvoltage: you were going to PM me?
[06:58] <stgraber> Anyone with good knowledge of how gnome menus work ?
[06:59] <stgraber> I'd like to know how is determined who can/can't see the Administration/* items
[06:59] <stgraber> I think it's based on a group but I have a user who is part of adm and admin and still can't access to these items
[06:59] <stgraber> (and he has sudo rights)
[07:02] <stgraber> cbx33: If you are still looking for a way to have you Windows network drives mapped at logon, I did that this afternoon
[07:03] <Burgwork> stgraber: the admin group
[07:04] <stgraber> Burgwork: ok, so I have a problem, the users are part of the admin group :) but thank you at least I'm now sure that was the right group
[07:05] <highvoltage> hey Burgwork!
[07:05] <Burgwork> ahhh... work
[07:05] <Burgwork> it is killing me
[07:05] <Burgwork> I have too many hats
[07:05] <highvoltage> Burgwork: the many hats thing is bad, you need to merge your hats and throw some away
[07:05] <Burgwork> I wish
[07:06] <Burgwork> we are so bloody disorganized
[07:06] <Burgwork> we == Userfulk
[07:06] <highvoltage> my hats situation is getting more complicated too
[07:07] <highvoltage> I'm starting a new job tomorrow and the new company is going to do my old job to the old company (and previous companies I worked for).
[07:07] <highvoltage> not *that* can get quite complicated
[07:07] <Burgwork> yeesh
[07:07] <highvoltage> s/not/now
[07:41] <a5benwillis> ping cliebow
[07:42] <a5benwillis> Whats the command to regen ssh keys?
[07:52] <a5benwillis> .
[07:52] <a5benwillis> Anyone usingxdmcp with Edubuntu???????????
[07:55] <cliebow> WOOOOOT!
[07:55] <a5benwillis> clad you're having a good day cliebow
[07:58] <cliebow> a5benwillis, heh got ubuntu running on sparc
[07:59] <cliebow> as a server..so far
[07:59] <cliebow> brb
[08:13] <a5benwillis> Anyone using xdmcp with Edubuntu???????????
[08:20] <cbx33> ping Burgwork
[08:20] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:20] <Burgwork> cbx33: pong
[08:20] <Burgwork> no I haven't looked at your chapter, I am doing it tonight
[08:20] <cbx33> ok
[08:20] <cbx33> debs was asking me twas all :p
[08:21] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[08:21] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[08:21] <Burgwork> I chatted with her
[08:22] <cbx33> Burgwork, ok cool
[08:22] <cbx33> how are you LaserJock
[08:22] <a5benwillis> Anyone using xdmcp with Edubuntu???????????
[08:23] <Burgwork> a5benwillis: in what way?
[08:23] <ogra> a5benwillis, only people that dont want sound or localdev support
[08:23] <ogra> cbx33, no, mdz didnt have time yet
[08:24] <a5benwillis> ogra: I REALLY dont want to go xdmcp but I cant get NCP authentication to work with LDM/SSH so I have no choice at least for now.
[08:24] <cbx33> ogra, no was gonna ask something else
[08:24] <a5benwillis> ogra: I'vespent weeks on thessh issue.
[08:25] <a5benwillis> and obviously worn out my space bar LOL
[08:25] <ogra> well, there is no locqaldev implemenation for xdmcp in ubuntu ... you can wortk around the missing ESPEAKER variable in a user setting though
[08:26] <ogra> so sound should be possible, but localdev wont work without a fair amount of code changes
[08:26] <a5benwillis> I can livewithout localdev fornow I think.
[08:26] <cbx33> ogra how are we with time left for tcm
[08:26] <ogra> did you file bugs about the issues you had with ssh ?
[08:26] <a5benwillis> I wish I could getssh to work for me ideally.
[08:26] <ogra> i'm sure cjwatson would love to know about them to fix them
[08:27] <a5benwillis> I worked a little with Darren Tucker from SSH via email buthe's nowhere near as responsive as you guys are.
[08:27] <ogra> cbx33, the features we'll ship should be done before beta
[08:28] <ogra> a5benwillis, cjwatson is our ssh maintainer ... but her's a very busy man, filing bugs will pout such things on his todo
[08:28] <ogra> *put
[09:04] <LaserJock> do we have a meeting?
[09:06] <stelis> It's on now :_
[09:11] <ogra> edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting *now*
[09:14] <a5benwillis> ogra: How do I contact jwatson?
[09:14] <a5benwillis> erm, cjwatcon
[09:15] <ogra> a5benwillis, file a bug on openssh ;)
[09:15] <a5benwillis> 10-4
[09:27] <a5benwillis> Can someone point me to some info on how to apply a patch to source via apt-get????
[09:35] <ogra> a5benwillis, open your help viewer on the desktop ... look in the packaging guide ;)
[09:47] <LaserJock> ogra: on feisty you have to install packaging-guide
[09:47] <LaserJock> and look at the HTML
[09:47] <LaserJock> I gotta get a .desktop for that
[09:56] <cbx33> ogra, /me had to setup a second tftp server today
[09:56] <cbx33> as the Intel Boot Agent sux
[10:17] <Rondom> hi juliux
[10:17] <juliux> hi Rondom
[10:32] <cliebow> cbx33: is that mba on intel yu refer to?it sucks as well..
[10:32] <cbx33> hehe
[10:41] <a5benwillis> ping ogra
[10:41] <ogra> a5benwillis, pong
[10:41] <a5benwillis> Im working on patching the ssh source
[10:42] <a5benwillis> I downloaded thesourceviaapt-get
[10:42] <a5benwillis> patched it
[10:42] <a5benwillis> now Im trying to "sudo apt-get --build source openssh-4.3p2
[10:42] <a5benwillis> but I get an error "E:Unable to find a source pacckage..."
[10:43] <a5benwillis> any idea whatIm doing wrong?
[10:46] <a5benwillis> Ive tried running the command inside of the sourcedirectory and right outsideof it.
[10:48] <cbx33> ogra, ping -> pm
[10:49] <a5benwillis> Ok I tried "sudo apt-get --build source openssh" and I get a different error.
[10:49] <a5benwillis> i'll check back later. ttg
[11:36] <cbx33> nn all