[03:07] <vblanton> Hello all, for some reason when I install the kde 4 beta 3 packages, I recieve dpkg errors
[03:07] <vblanton> is anyone else having similar issues?
[03:08] <vblanton> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/config/khotnewstuffrc', which is also in package kde4libs-data
[03:08] <vblanton> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[03:08] <vblanton> has anyone else run into this?
[03:12] <vblanton> no one knows?
[03:16] <vblanton> going to try again, anyone know why installing the new kde4 packages is riddled with dpkg errors?
[03:16] <vblanton> should I uninstall the old beta 2??
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[04:28] <Jucato> Boom!
[04:28] <DaSkreech> :-P
[04:28] <jdong> Doom!
[04:29] <Jucato> DaSkreech: now you can ask me about lunch... which I haven't taken yet
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What about lunch?
[04:30] <Jucato> you asked me 12 hours earlier if I had lunch already...
[04:30] <Jucato> you asked me around midnight my time
[04:31] <DaSkreech> How much time do you spend online?
[04:31] <Jucato> depends on the day. also, even if my nick is here, doesn't mean I'm here :D
[04:31] <DaSkreech> As is starting to be true of me
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Shameful
[04:43] <jeroenvrp> anyone else have problems with adept mgr since last upgrade!?
[04:43] <firephoto> jeroenvrp: it crashes here.
[04:44] <jeroenvrp> firephoto: ok so my bug report is valid
[04:44] <firephoto> jeroenvrp: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7848/
[04:45] <jeroenvrp> #88584
[04:45] <jeroenvrp> Bug #88584
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88584 in adept "Since update 27 feb 06 Adept_manager crashes during startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88584
[04:46] <firephoto> jeroenvrp: your error looks different. it loads here but that last thing it does before it waits for user input and it crashes.
[04:46] <jeroenvrp> firephoto: me to, it loads first and than it crashes
[04:46] <jeroenvrp> no wait for user input
[04:47] <jeroenvrp> loads > crash
[04:47] <jeroenvrp> remembers me about a bug during the edgy developemnt
[04:48] <firephoto> jeroenvrp: actually that is the same crash output i get now... the one I pasted was from earlier as non sudo
[04:49] <jeroenvrp> oh well we have to wait
[04:49] <jeroenvrp> using synaptic as an alternative right now
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Brilliant
[05:25] <DaSkreech> feisty is not kernel panicing
[06:21] <Hobbsee> awww, mez is gone.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: that's always good
[06:21] <DaSkreech> You'd think so huh?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> He's on radio
[06:22] <DaSkreech> It's not doing anything now.... won't boot won't take commands
[06:23] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: even recovery mode?
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Still not booting :(
[06:29] <Hobbsee> ouch
[06:29] <Hobbsee> does it boot to anything else?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:29] <DaSkreech> it boots to recovery
[06:29] <DaSkreech> cupsys wasn't being installed correctly
[06:30] <DaSkreech> not on boot it sticks at running local boot scripts
[06:30] <DaSkreech> s/not/now/
[06:33] <DaSkreech> .o0(Wonder how I get the log to be more granular)
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Yup /etc/rc.local is broken
[07:20] <DaSkreech> how do I figure out what comes after running /etc/rc.local in the boot up sequence? I think that's what's stopping me from booting up
[07:33] <DaSkreech> yuriy: hey
[07:33] <yuriy> hey DaSkreech
[07:33] <DaSkreech> What's up?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope.  whcih layout?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hey _StefanS_!
[11:52] <_StefanS_> hi Hobbsee
[11:53] <_StefanS_> isn't getting late, or early in .au ? :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> almost 10pm
[11:53] <Hobbsee> time to cook dinner :)
[11:54] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:54] <_StefanS_> anything interested happening at the moment ?
[11:54] <_StefanS_> interesting
[11:54] <Hobbsee> here?  no
[11:54] <Hobbsee> i should be fixing k-d-s though
[11:54] <_StefanS_> k-d-s ?
[11:56] <Hobbsee> k-default-settings
[11:56] <_StefanS_> oh
[11:57] <_StefanS_> I should be working..
[11:57] <_StefanS_> but its soo damn boring
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:01] <_StefanS_> I rather be coding/learning some c++ instead
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:17] <Hobbsee> do it?  :)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: ^
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well I have do do something that will pay the bills.. then fun afterwards ;)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: heh. true
[01:46] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[01:53] <dinosaur-rus> ouch, Adept crashed
[01:56] <Riddell> I've uploaded a fix for that, you'll need to wait a few hours
[02:01] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: what're you talking about?
[02:06] <tonio> hi ;)
[02:06] <tonio> Riddell: ping ?
[02:06] <tonio> or kwwii ?
[02:07] <kwwii> howdy tonio
[02:07] <tonio> hi ken :)
[02:07] <tonio> kwwii: well I just got my macbook pro and I have a few questions ;)
[02:07] <Riddell> hi tonio
[02:07] <tonio> where is the "pipe" key ?
[02:07] <kwwii> lol, cool!
[02:07] <tonio> hey jonathan ;)
[02:08] <tonio> Riddell: f12 doesn't right click here, so I have no way to right click without an external mouse.... ay trick for this ?
[02:08] <tonio> and I don't find where is the "pipe" on the keyboard....
[02:09] <tonio> appart from those little issues, and a ndiswrapper issue with the kernel, everything just works, pretty cool :)
[02:10] <tonio> Riddell: works out of the box for you ?
[02:10] <dinosaur-rus> is it safe to delete /.hidden in Feisty (IIRC hiding of root directories is disabled in 7.04)?
[02:10] <tonio> Riddell: do you haved a "pipe" key on your keyboard on your mac ?
[02:11] <kwwii> tonio: there is one, you just have to find it
[02:11] <kwwii> erm, or did I edit my xorg conf to use another keyboard layout?
[02:11] <dinosaur-rus> usually "pipe" is Shift+\, but dunno about macs :P
[02:11] <tonio> kwwii: well I'm pretty sure there isn't
[02:11] <tonio> at list no symbol on any key
[02:12] <kwwii> lol, my powerbook will not even boot anymore, let me try it with the other mac
[02:13] <Riddell> tonio: I've never used a macbook
[02:14] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: yes it is
[02:14] <tonio> Riddell: ah.... I thought you had one
[02:15] <kwwii> tonio: my | is apple+<
[02:15] <kwwii> but I think I have set my own keyboard layout
[02:15] <tonio> kwwii: no way here.... but I'll investigate :)
[02:20] <dinosaur-rus> tonio: http://rant.mivox.com/node/310 :)
[02:23] <tonio> dinosaur-rus: thanks ;)
[02:23] <dinosaur-rus> tonio: so be ready :))
[02:24] <tonio> dinosaur-rus: I think the issue is now repared, I read about that a few weeks ago
[02:24] <tonio> new macbooks shouldn't have the issue
[02:55] <dinosaur-rus> tonio: the quote from one website about MBP: "forward delete key is (FN-Delete) and how to right-click on the Mac (either Control+Click or two fingers on the trackpad and click)."
[02:58] <dinosaur-rus> ahh... he's away
[03:10] <mhb> good afternoon
[03:10] <Jucato> hallow mhb
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya
[03:42] <Riddell> hmm, digikam should have been released on sunday
[03:42] <Riddell> doesn't look like it was
[03:42] <Riddell> ah, week's delay
[03:47] <Lure> Riddell: right, and some l10n teams would like to delay it for some days to get handbook translated
[03:48] <Lure> Riddell: but we should have packages ready early next week
[03:48] <Lure> Riddell: do we have general exception granted for inclusion or is this still to be done?
[03:51] <Riddell> Lure: it still needs to be done, we need a changelog and packages to test
[03:52] <mhb> Riddell: tell me when I should start making more buzz about testing, okay?
[03:57] <Riddell> mhb: I'm just waiting for the new dist-upgrade tar to appear in the archive
[03:58] <Riddell> it's all a bit broken in soyuz I believe
[04:02] <mhb> tomorrow's Herd 5, right?
[04:02] <mhb> too bad the dist-upgrade won't make it
[04:04] <Tm_T> ?
[04:04] <Tm_T> What's broken?
[04:04] <Tm_T> Xorg was bit broken a moment ago.
[04:08] <Lure> Riddell: rc1 packages are available on http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/feisty/
[04:08] <Lure> Riddell: we may also update to rc2 today/tommorow
[04:09] <Riddell> mhb: no, next week
[04:09] <Riddell> Lure: get mhb to poke some kubuntu-testers :)
[04:12] <ScottK> With the exception of my continued frustration with S/MIME signing in Kmail (which is not new with Feisty), KDE in Feisty is going VERY well for me.  My only big headache with Feisty at the moment is in the kernel (Bug #86742).
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86742 in linux-source-2.6.20 "D-Link AirPlus DWL-G650 Wireless (rev.C) - Atheros AR5212 (rev 01) does not work in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86742
[04:12] <ScottK> I think all the hard work is paying off.
[04:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[04:12] <Tm_T> :)
[04:26] <xerosis> is this chan okay for asking about a possible bug?
[04:27] <mhb> xerosis: this or #kubuntu-testers
[04:27] <mhb> xerosis: but go on
[04:28] <xerosis> since yesterday, amarok is claiming it can't play mp3s even though (i'm fairly sure) i haven't removed any packages
[04:29] <Lure> Riddell: I just did - mhb will test and will try to get more testers involved
[04:31] <Riddell> manchicken: any plans to sort out the column issues in adept?  (no arrow, columsn shift when expanded)
[04:31] <nixternal> Firefox user-agent for google.com and what not...What is new with it? I have never had an issue with FF and Google.com or gmail and such
[04:31] <nixternal> am I missing something?
[04:31] <Riddell> nixternal: konqueror now sends a FF user agent, which seems to make gmail and calendar work
[04:31] <nixternal> OH, Konqi :)
[04:32] <nixternal> got it
[04:32] <manchicken> Riddell: I need to tackle a lot of that stuff.  I'm going through a move right now so it may be another week or two before I actually get a chance.  I don't think I'm going to be able to get anything else in before feature freeze.
[04:32] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure that feature freeze passed some time ago
[04:33] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:33] <mhb> Riddell: there are some issues with gmail and Konqueror, but it's finally usable enough for me
[04:33] <xerosis> google calendar looks pretty bad in konq, too
[04:34] <manchicken> Sorry man, I've been going crazy with this move.  Mid-March things will be stable again.  Is it insanely crunch-time yet?
[04:34] <manchicken> I can try to crank if we're in a time crunch.
[04:34] <manchicken> I've also been having a hard time getting that silly changelog viewer crash sorted.
[04:34] <nixternal> what else is new for Herd 5?
[04:35] <nixternal> tomorrow is release, and I have an hour or so available to work on the release page
[04:35] <mhb> tomorrow or next week?
[04:35] <mhb> T.F.Heen (in the announcement mail) said tomorrow, but Riddell said next week
[04:35] <nixternal> March 1
[04:36] <manchicken> If someone could give me a hand witth that it'd be awesome.
[04:36] <Lure> nixternal: KDE4 Kludge?
[04:36] <nixternal> Riddell: I figured out that SSL ticket error I was telling you about. It only occurs when you do wiki.kubuntu.COM and not ORG
[04:36] <manchicken> I've changed it around on the updater-changelog whatever branch if folks wanted to look at it.
[04:36] <nixternal> KDE4 Kludge is in Herd 5?
[04:37] <manchicken> E.g. it's not creating new ItemChangelog objects for each item (performance boost), but it's still segfaulting the same.
[04:37] <Riddell> hmm, ok, herd 5 is tomorrow
[04:37] <allee> Lure, mhb, Riddell: I've updated digikam(imageplugins) pkging for rc2 last night.
[04:37] <Riddell> spose I should start testing
[04:38] <Lure> allee: great, I will then re-build for feisty
[04:38] <allee> Lure: you can pull from alioth and rebuild for feisty.  I'll do for edgy tonight
[04:38] <Lure> allee: will do tonight, I will hit do road soon ;-)
[04:38] <manchicken> Riddell: Will you be around on Saturday?
[04:38] <allee> Lure: k
[04:38] <Riddell> manchicken: I've no idea
[04:39] <Riddell> hmm, daily CDs don't look so good
[04:39] <manchicken> I want to keep plugging away, but that changelog issue is just sucking my life out and I just can't seem to find the problem.
[04:39] <manchicken> That one item has been taking my time up for more than 3 weeks.
[04:39] <nixternal> Riddell: are you planning on the KDE4 snapshot for Feisty at all?
[04:39] <Lure> nixternal: maybe we should mention xorg 7.2 (even though it is common to ubuntu)
[04:39] <manchicken> Probably just my weakness in C++ coming through.
[04:40] <nixternal> right now I have my KDE4 setup on a rather destroyed Slackware box built from SVN
[04:40] <nixternal> Lure: good point, forgot all about it and it gave me issues yesterday :)
[04:40] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, it's in up to kde4base
[04:40] <Lure> nixternal: koffice 1.6.2 is another point
[04:40] <nixternal> Lure: you are my new hero today :)
[04:41] <Riddell> manchicken: sounds like it's time to move on to something else :)
[04:41] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, but it's not okay that we get segv when you click the details button in adept_updater.
[04:41] <manchicken> I need to just send the issue over the mailing list.
[04:43] <manchicken> Riddell: Could you assign those bugs you mentioned to me?  I'll look at them this weekend.
[04:43] <Lure> nixternal: and font issue was resolved by my hero Tonio_ - this almost deserves mention ;-)
[04:44] <Riddell> dunno if they have bug numbers
[04:44] <Lure> nixternal: and he fixed translations, which Riddell liked a lot ;-)
[04:44] <manchicken> Okay.  I'll try to remember it.  I don't have access to my hackbox right now.
[04:45] <Riddell> Lure, nixternal: in kdesktop
[04:45] <nixternal> yes, font issue fixed
[04:46] <mhb> yes some do
[04:46] <mhb> nixternal: I'll send you the kdesktop-related bug numbers right away
[04:47] <nixternal> and that font issue that got fixed totally kills my emacs gui with the blocks again
[04:47] <nixternal> but other than that, it was nice seeing good fonts again this week
[04:48] <mhb> damn, UTF-8 doesn't seem to work in console again
[04:48] <Lure> nixternal: maybe we should mention basket 1.0 (major release), even though it is in universe
[04:49] <mhb> is kwwii going to add new artwork to Herd 5?
[04:49] <nixternal> Lure: it adds content since there isn't nothing major coming out this release really
[04:50] <nixternal> so I will add the basket :)
[04:50] <nixternal> KOffice isn't installed by default either :)
[04:50] <Lure> nixternal: that is my point too, and we want to make friends with upstream to do some marketing for their apps ;-)
[04:51] <nixternal> very true, I have a blog post about basket coming up soon as well since I have been using it to track work this entire release
[04:52] <mhb> nixternal: kdesktop-related bugs Tonio fixed: bug 78856 and bug 78318
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78856
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78318 in kdebase "Screensaver unlock dialog ignores translation" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78318
[04:52] <mhb> (hooray goes to him)
[05:00] <manchicken> Riddell: Crikey, I didn't know that I was that behind on time.  I'm gonna crank this weekend.
[05:03] <manchicken> Riddell: I'd forgotten the timeline.  I need to start putting timelines into my calendar with alerts so that I don't forget.  heh.
[05:05] <Lure> nixternal: and font problem is bug 78209
[05:05] <Riddell> easily done :)
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[05:06] <mhb> Riddell: have you edited the default polyester settings to disable all those menu items/buttons shadows?
[05:07] <mhb> Riddell: sorry if I'm bothering, I just remembered that
[05:09] <Riddell> mhb: I havn't no, tonio might have not sure
[05:11] <mhb> Riddell: okay, no problem - but that has to be done, without that the menus/buttons are hard to read
[05:28] <bdmurray> Riddell: I am working on fixing some English strings in the qtparted package but I am concerned about the translations.
[05:29] <Riddell> bdmurray: what's wrong with them?
[05:29] <Riddell> typos? or something more serious?
[05:29] <bdmurray> The English strings or the translations?
[05:30] <Riddell> bdmurray: wherever the problem is :)
[05:30] <bdmurray> Riddell: it was grammar problems in the English and I don't want to screw up the translations
[05:31] <Riddell> bdmurray: normally I'd say send it upstream, but since there isn't an upstream for qtparted that's not possible
[05:31] <Riddell> s/an/an active/
[05:32] <Riddell> bdmurray: qtparted isn't translated in the normal .po way so it's not in rosetta and so changes will loose any translations
[05:32] <Riddell> bdmurray: if it's not a serious problem I'd just keep the typos in.  if the wording is genuinely unclear then fix it
[05:34] <bdmurray> Riddell: Okay, I had already done some work on it though.
[05:34] <mhb> Riddell: so the new partitioner will not be translatable?
[05:35] <Riddell> bdmurray: may still be worth sending upsteam incase they are more active than I thought
[05:35] <Riddell> mhb: sure it will, same as the rest of ubiquity
[05:35] <mhb> Riddell: you had me for a minute .o)
[05:36] <mhb> Riddell: I'll probably poke you if there are some problems with translations of the essential packages (like last time with systemsettings)
[05:36] <mhb> or Tonio the superhero
[05:37] <Riddell> pleae do
[05:37] <Riddell> please do
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Riddell: qtparted is dead?
[06:31] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no, but it sitting in a corner growling and not letting anyone near it
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Sort of like the seamonkey packages?
[06:34] <Riddell> seamonkey has an upstream at least
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah but it's packages don't
[06:44] <DaSkreech> since they of course don't exist
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Riddell: The dev team bailed? or lost interest?
[07:42] <Zerlinna> ping Riddell
[07:53] <tonio_> crimsun: ping ?
[07:54] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2.png <-- too blue?
[08:04] <Lure> kwwii: maybe a bit on a dark side (which may be even good for boot/shutdown screen). otherwise I like new look
[08:05] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, I thought about that too...might lighten it a bit
[08:05] <Lure> kwwii: gears are much nicer now
[08:06] <kwwii> all in all it looks less like jelly and more like glass, I think
[08:06] <Lure> kwwii: did you maybe though to change blue in polyester scrollbars/selected menu? people complain a lot as (particularly) scroll bar is now very obvious (and is questionable if it should be)
[08:08] <kwwii> Lure: yes, at the time I suggested using polyester I also gave Riddell a color scheme
[08:08] <kwwii> it uses a much lighter/desaturated selection color
[08:08] <kwwii> also, we could turn the coloring off, but then I think the scrollbars don't look so nice
[08:09] <Lure> kwwii: I like it colored actually, but they really pop up a bit too much
[08:09] <Lure> kwwii: so desaturated sounds cool to me
[08:09] <kwwii> one of my biggest questions is whether we should stick to the blue-purple or use blue-blue this time
[08:10] <Lure> kwwii: btw, did you do new ubuntu usplash - I have seen it yesterday and it looks really cool?
[08:45] <mhb> Lure: yup he did :o)
[08:49] <mhb> is it possible to make the usplash screen colours more like the ones used with the new Kubuntu logo?
[08:49] <mhb> (the one currently on kubuntu.org)
[08:50] <mhb> the current one seems kind of flat to me, more like the Dapper one in that manner
[08:50] <mhb> (the current tester2, I mean)
[08:53] <mhb> the Kubuntu Edgy usplash logo is being my usplash logo favourite :o)
[09:14] <nixternal> did it recently get updated?
[09:14] <nixternal> my setup still looks the same last I looked
[09:14] <mhb> nixternal: commenting on the kwwii's screenshot he posted a while ago
[09:17] <nixternal> OOOOH!!! kwwii that logo and usplash are HOT!
[09:17] <nixternal> ttyl, remember if you have something for the Herd5 release page add it, and I will tweak it later
[09:18] <mhb> nixternal: hmm, I still prefer the old one :o)
[09:25] <neutraloss> anyone here using fglrx/xgl/feisty 4?
[09:25] <jdong> neutraloss: what's up
[09:25] <nixternal> weird, I just realized that Adept got uninstalled on my machine
[09:25] <jdong> xgl does not redraw?
[09:25] <neutraloss> not so much
[09:25] <neutraloss> I recompiled xserver-xgl
[09:25] <neutraloss> from the bug forum
[09:25] <jdong> yeah
[09:25] <neutraloss> my only problem is that the scrolling within frames is very slow
[09:26] <neutraloss> if I run xserver windowed it doesn't seem as bad, but I think that's just because the window is smaller
[09:26] <jdong> using Beryl?
[09:26] <mhb> oh and by the way, please check on my attempt to use another icon for the guidance-power-manager
[09:26] <neutraloss> independent of beryl atm
[09:26] <jdong> Xgl has gotten slower indeed since 7.2 came on
[09:26] <mhb> and tell me if you like it more/less than the current one : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8510/batteryscreenshot3qw3.png (It's Oxygen's battery icon modified a bit)
[09:26] <jdong> adding the GC redraw patch helps
[09:26] <jdong> but it still sucks
[09:27] <jdong> Compiz is noticeably faster though
[09:27] <neutraloss> I believe that was included in the diff patch
[09:27] <jdong> well then your options are (1) turn off CPU freq scaling (2) use Compiz
[09:27] <jdong> (3) write long threatening letter to ATI
[09:28] <neutraloss> oh john, it's you
[09:28] <neutraloss> lol it's your dsc
[09:28] <jdong> :)
[09:28] <jdong> yes it is :)
[09:28] <neutraloss> well
[09:28] <jdong> which the motu-uvf's are ignoring atm
[09:28] <neutraloss> It's independent of compiz well
[09:28] <jdong> it's slower with Beryl than with compiz
[09:28] <jdong> that is for sure
[09:28] <neutraloss> right now i'm not running either compiz or beryl, just starting an xgl server
[09:28] <jdong> it sucks with Xgl in general
[09:29] <kwwii> re
[09:29] <kwwii> Lure: yeah, I made the ubuntu stuff too
[09:29] <neutraloss> and the scrolling is slow within the frames, but the actual acceleration (turning cube) at least from the last time I installed Beryl, was the same.
[09:29] <jdong> yes
[09:29] <neutraloss> That's just odd.
[09:29] <jdong> scrolling causes Xgl to re-create the texture
[09:29] <jdong> each time you scroll
[09:29] <neutraloss> ahhh
[09:29] <jdong> it helps to turn off any apps that have a"smooth scrolling" feature
[09:29] <jdong> i.e. Firefox
[09:29] <neutraloss> not running that atm, konqueror?
[09:29] <jdong> ok
[09:29] <jdong> well, that's the fundamental issue with Xgl
[09:30] <neutraloss> nod ok
[09:30] <jdong> but seriously Compiz does it faster
[09:30] <jdong> for some really odd reason
[09:30] <neutraloss> does it faster than xgl standalone?
[09:30] <jdong> beryl is notably slower at scrolling on my machine
[09:30] <jdong> I kinda feel that way
[09:31] <jdong> but we need that xgl patch into Feisty....
[09:31] <neutraloss> actually, what's wierd is that I didn't even need to recompile, the performance is the same.
[09:31] <jdong> I'd laugh really hard if it misses RC freeze
[09:32] <jdong> didn't need to recompile what? Xgl?
[09:32] <jdong> Xgl will not work unless you recompile
[09:32] <neutraloss> xserver_xgl
[09:32] <jdong> Xgl would not redraw
[09:32] <jdong> the Feisty version
[09:32] <neutraloss> hrm....
[09:32] <neutraloss> I just recompiled the fglrx drivers and it happened to work.
[09:32] <neutraloss> Perhaps it does it automatically
[09:32] <jdong> what version of xserver-xgl is installed?
[09:32] <jdong> nothing is automatic
[09:33] <neutraloss> one moment
[09:33] <mhb> kwwii: I tried to point at my attempt of making the battery icon, but it got lost :o)
[09:33] <jdong> xserver-xgl from fesity actually does not build at all
[09:33] <jdong> in Feisty
[09:33] <neutraloss> seriously?
[09:33] <jdong> it will not compile against Xorg 7.2 and the new libmesa
[09:33] <neutraloss> but.. I was running it.
[09:33] <jdong> if you run the old version binary, it'll run
[09:33] <jdong> but as soon as you start beryl or compiz
[09:33] <jdong> the screen stops redrawing
[09:33] <kwwii> mhb: lol
[09:33] <neutraloss> oh, white screen of death?
[09:33] <jdong> not always white
[09:33] <jdong> sometimes it is just suspended animation
[09:34] <jdong> i.e. a screenshot
[09:34] <jdong> you can do all the 3D effects
[09:34] <jdong> but the actual contents don't redraw
[09:34] <neutraloss> yeah that's what I encountered during my last install
[09:34] <jdong> bug 86841
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 86841 in libxrandr "compiz/beryl does not refresh content of windows" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86841
[09:34] <jdong> fixed for AIGLX
[09:34] <jdong> broken for Xgl until new version is approved.
[09:35] <neutraloss> lol I can't get adept to stay open so I can see the version
[09:35] <jdong> apt-cache policy xserver-xgl
[09:35] <neutraloss> 7.2.0.git.20070224-0ubuntu2
[09:36] <neutraloss> /whimpers
[09:36] <jdong> Feisty is 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2
[09:36] <jdong> :)
[09:36] <jdong> your Xgl works because it's my new version :)
[09:36] <neutraloss> well yeah
[09:36] <jdong> downgrade and it will not work :)
[09:36] <neutraloss> I told you that already :)
[09:36] <jdong> well, I hope the new version gets into Feisty.
[09:37] <neutraloss> xorg 7.2 is standard on feisty right?
[09:37] <jdong> yes
[09:37] <jdong> it'd be really hilarious in the "I'm going to Fedora" way if the UVFe is ignored until a total freeze
[09:38] <jdong> (Xgl is not a part of the Xorg distribution)
[09:38] <neutraloss> well right now beryl is not usuable, the scrolling is too distracting
[09:38] <jdong> but Compiz is.
[09:38] <neutraloss> if you say that compiz improves the scrolling beyond that of stand-alone, I will try that.
[09:38] <jdong> and that's also part of a beryl issue too
[09:38] <jdong> ever since the 1.99 series, it's been somewhat slower
[09:38] <neutraloss> can I install compiz from the repo? or rebuild?
[09:39] <jdong> the repo is fine
[09:39] <jdong> and use beryl-manager to start it
[09:40] <neutraloss> the only thing other than beryl/compiz that is not working for me is my suspend, unfortunately, it appears to suspend fine, but can't come out, the screen flashes the login and then goes black.
[09:40] <neutraloss> i've tried installing hibernate and turning off vbetools, but that doesn't seem to help
[09:41] <jdong> neutraloss: turn off post Video BIOS and any other hacks, except double_switch_VT
[09:42] <neutraloss> is that in ram.conf? after installing hibernate?
[09:50] <jdong> no
[09:50] <jdong> well
[09:50] <jdong> I've never used hibernate
[09:50] <jdong> I use /etc/default/acpi-support
[09:50] <neutraloss> ahhh
[09:51] <neutraloss> should I comment them out or actually change the flag?
[09:53] <jdong> chagne the flag
[09:53] <neutraloss> thanks trying now
[09:58] <mhb> hmm...perhaps I'll try it once more :o)
[09:59] <mhb> please check on my attempt to use another icon for the guidance-power-manager and tell me if you like it more/less than the current one : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8510/batteryscreenshot3qw3.png (It's Oxygen's battery icon modified a bit)
[10:01] <Lure> mhb: you need to talk with kwwii ^^^
[10:01] <mhb> Lure: which I did, of course
[10:01] <Lure> mhb: I like it better if it gets filled from other side ;-)
[10:02] <Lure> mhb: and red should be more saturated to get attention
[10:02] <Erunno> mhb: The blue is different from the one in Crystal.
[10:02] <mhb> Erunno: yeah, it's more of a Oxygen blue (origin of the icon)
[10:02] <mhb> Erunno: amarok uses also a different shade of blue
[10:03] <Erunno> mhb: While looking at them side-to-side it sticks out a bit.
[10:03] <Erunno> mhb: I don't use Amarok very often :)
[10:03] <mhb> Lure: the point is kwwii suggested I get feedback from you folks - then we decide what to do with them
[10:04] <neutraloss_> /ghost
[10:04] <neutraloss_> woops
[10:07] <mhb> Erunno: I think the green is worse, IMHO :o)
[10:08] <Tm_T> mhb: How about CCCP-red? \o/
[10:08] <mhb> Erunno: the un-crystal green was the reason why I tried to find a new icon in the first place
[10:10] <Erunno> mhb: Green ? Do you refer to the original KDE battery applet ?
[10:11] <mhb> Erunno: no, the current guidance-power-manager icon
[10:12] <mhb> Lure: I can change those minor things, of course
[10:12] <fdoving> beryl is kinda cool. almost works sometimes.
[10:12] <jdong> lol its stability has gotten lower in the RC1/RC2 releases
[10:12] <jdong> 0.1.4 was very stable for me
[10:12] <jdong> and the Xorg 7.2 shakeup is still having its ripple effects
[10:13] <fdoving> i use 0.2.0+svn20070222-r4225+imudebian0
[10:13] <fdoving> on feisty.
[10:13] <fdoving> .. powerpc too, so it's kinda magic that it actually works.
[10:36] <fdoving> w
[10:36] <fdoving> ops.
[10:50] <mhb> Riddell: is adept going to be broken in herd 5?
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Good question
[11:07] <allee> please test/approve: libkexiv2 bugfix release: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4530   fixes a crash of digikam and possible kipi-plugins http://bugs.debian.org/141980
[11:09] <Tonio_> crimsun: ping ?
[11:09] <crimsun> Tonio_: pong
[11:10] <Tonio_> crimsun: concerning bug 87253
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 87253 in alsa-driver "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87253
[11:10] <Tonio_> crimsun: I just installed a macbook pro and it looks like it doesn't work even with your kernel patch...
[11:10] <Tonio_> crimsun: there is another patch suggested, from upstream alsa, deserves a merging ?
[11:11] <crimsun> Tonio_: I haven't looked, but if both you and Matthew OK it, sure
[11:11] <Tonio_> crimsun: and of course, the most important question : "howdy ?" :)
[11:11] <crimsun> I'm nowhere near my git trees, so I can't review atm [at an airport] 
[11:12] <Tonio_> crimsun: well I didn't test it for the moment ;) girlfriend in vacation atm, so no time for long builds and tests, but I will :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> crimsun: no emergency, just that it would be very nice to have that fixed before the release, as there are lots of issues with macbook pro on feisty that worked on edgy....
[11:13] <Tonio_> the speakers, ndiswrapper crashing -> no wireless, pommed for special keys
[11:13] <Tonio_> everything worked on edgy :(
[11:13] <imbrandon> Tonio_, you ever get a new alppy ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> crimsun: I'll ping you once reviewed
[11:13] <imbrandon> lappy*
[11:13] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yep, a macbook pro :)
[11:13] <imbrandon> nice
[11:14] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but I had bad news while upgrading to feisty :(
[11:14] <Tonio_> no wireless, no sound, no brightness managements etc.....
[11:14] <Tonio_> everything worked on edgy....
[11:14] <imbrandon> wow
[11:14] <imbrandon> airport express wireless ?
[11:15] <imbrandon> i have ae working on feisty
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: now it is atheros ar5008
[11:15] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: only ndiswrapper works for this, and ndiswrapper on feisty causes kernel panic
[11:15] <imbrandon> sweet
[11:15] <imbrandon> lol
[11:15] <Tonio_> yes ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> little issues, big consequences
[11:16] <imbrandon> i thought atheros worked ootb mostly
[11:16] <Tonio_> 3 bugs only for a laptop is not a lot, but when that touches all wireless, all the sound, and all the "special keys/acpi/brightness", that's quite a lot :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it does with madwifi, but not that one
[11:17] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: very new and powerfull card 802.11n compatible
[11:17] <jdong> ar5008....
[11:17] <jdong> hmm
[11:17] <Tonio_> that's why no driver atm
[11:17] <jdong> never used that chipset myself
[11:17] <Tonio_> jdong: works with ndiswrapper, but ndiswrapper crashes, so.......... :)
[11:17] <jdong> lovely :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> I'll contact pommed upstream (debian dev) to get infos to find out what is different with ubuntu
[11:18] <Tonio_> and why it doesn't work
[11:18] <mhb> hey Tonio_
[11:18] <mhb> how are you?
[11:18] <jdong> actually we built a radar gun out of one
[11:18] <Tonio_> but we really have to fix ndiswrapper before release.......
[11:18] <Tonio_> hi mhb :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> tired, after 20 hours trying to get everything to work on a macbook :)
[11:19] <Tonio_> lots of issues btw......... sad since even crappy edgy worked like a charm.... that's not good 2 month to the release....
[11:19] <mhb> Tonio_: my laptop is 2+ years old and still some stuff doesn't work
[11:19] <mhb> Tonio_: wifi doesn't communicate well with knetworkmanager, for instance
[11:19] <Tonio_> mhb: of course but this time it is not "some stuff"
[11:20] <mhb> Tonio_: ya, I read your trouble :o)
[11:20] <Tonio_> the stupid thing is that some very rare things like the remove work out of the box :(
[11:20] <Tonio_> but no wireless :) isn't that a shame? :)
[11:20] <mhb> Tonio_: have you looked at that "very tiny characters instead of password dots" problem?
[11:21] <mhb> Tonio_: also, there's another thing that needs to be done by someone, perhaps you
[11:21] <mhb> Tonio_: in polyester widget style, the menu item/button text shadows should be disabled as default
[11:22] <mhb> Tonio_: they render the text unreadable (often)
[11:22] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm not sure if that was done already
[11:22] <mhb> Tonio_: Riddell suggested you may have done that, so I'm asking you now :o)
[11:24] <Tonio_> mhb: yes I had it on that laptop
[11:24] <Tonio_> mhb: the bug just dissapeared without any update..... that's really weird....
[11:24] <Tonio_> mhb: looks like a xorg driver issue
[11:24] <Tonio_> mhb: no issue with vesa, sometimes issue with fglrx
[11:24] <Tonio_> no issue with intel chips....
[11:25] <Tonio_> mhb: hard to fix I'd say :)
[11:25] <mhb> Tonio_: I doubt that
[11:25] <mhb> Tonio_: plenty of people experienced that
[11:25] <mhb> Tonio_: I did too, and I have a fully working Intel card
[11:25] <Tonio_> mhb: and plenty don't..... with the same packages....
[11:25] <Tonio_> mhb: btw that's mior issue compared to ndiswrapper failing......
[11:26] <Tonio_> mhb: I'll look at that and try to fix while polishing, but I have better to do right now....
[11:26] <mhb> Tonio_: yeah, I'd like to "catch 'em all", you know :o)
[11:26] <Tonio_> mhb: that doesn't break any functionnalities, and lots of people might not even consider this a bug
[11:27] <Tonio_> mhb: but I promiss I'll have a look when I have time for this and critical issues are fixed...
[11:27] <mhb> Tonio_: I agree that there are worse out there
[11:27] <Tonio_> and concerning polyester, I must say I like the button text shadow :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> it makes them more visible, but that's just a mater of tastes, better talk to kwwii for this
[11:28] <Lure> allee: we do not have libkexiv2 in repo yet, but I will build it for feisty for your repo
[11:28] <mhb> Tonio_: well it makes the readability worse here, may be a different monitor/resolution or I dunno
[11:28] <Lure> allee: Riddell said that it makes more sense to push everything together with 0.9.1 as this library is actually a cut-out of digikam code and we need MIR
[11:28] <allee> Lure: afaik 0.1.0 is in still in ubuntu NEW queue
[11:28] <mhb> Tonio_: if it were a usability issue, I'd remove it
[11:28] <Tonio_> mhb: sure
[11:28] <Lure> allee: is it?
[11:28] <mhb> Tonio_: I'll ask him what he thinks and then poke back
[11:28] <Tonio_> mhb: ask kwwii :)
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: see you soon
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: maybe I'll try to have a look at that password character bug myself
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: tomorrow
[11:29] <Lure> allee: you are correct: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: instead of bugging you :o)
[11:29] <Lure> Tonio_: can you then upload new version? ;-)
[11:29] <allee> Lure: yes, without digikam libkexiv2 makes not much sense as it's currently the only dependency
[11:31] <allee> Lure: when pbuild finishes I've upload libkexiv2, digikam and digikamimageplugins for edgy
[11:31] <allee> ^^ (re)build digikamimageplugins right now
[11:34] <Lure> allee: nice, I am just finishing UVFe for strigi and kpowersave, then I go on digikam build for feisty
[11:35] <allee> Lure: pbuilder finished.  I do another revu upload with 0ubuntu1 for digikam in the meantime
[11:35] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably discuss macbookpro issues with cjwatson - he was doing some changes for better support recently
[11:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I will :)
[11:36] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for the tip
[11:42] <allee> Tonio_: ping me when you do it.  In interested in everything about kubuntu and macbookpro!
[11:43] <allee> oh shit. I've forgotten to specify the dput repo name and uploaded to ubuntu instead of my repo :(  Good that they don't trust me and will trough it away ;)
[11:52] <Tonio_> allee I will
[11:52] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:53] <allee> Tonio_: thx
[11:54] <allee> Lure: I've upload the edgy pkgs (this time to _my_ repo *flush*)
[11:55] <Lure> allee: ok, will pick them up and exercise my pbuilde ;-)
[12:07] <allee> Lure: I've forgot to remove libghoto2-2-dev in Depends: of digikam: http://rafb.net/p/609Rnn68.html   pbuiling a new digikam deb ...
[12:13] <Lure> kpowersave 0.7.2 is waiting to UVFe, but source is available if somebody want to try: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4531