=== Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@72.14.228.90] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Tonio__ [n=tonio@114.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-148.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44421.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-148.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-148.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-2.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kilohertz [n=vaxen@201.75.106.28] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong is now known as mewantXGL === vblanton [n=vblanton@72.173.16.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] Hello all, for some reason when I install the kde 4 beta 3 packages, I recieve dpkg errors [03:07] is anyone else having similar issues? [03:08] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/config/khotnewstuffrc', which is also in package kde4libs-data [03:08] dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) [03:08] has anyone else run into this? [03:12] no one knows? [03:16] going to try again, anyone know why installing the new kde4 packages is riddled with dpkg errors? [03:16] should I uninstall the old beta 2?? === jjesse [n=jjesse@72-254-14-225.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mewantXGL is now known as jdong === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-254-14-225.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-254-14-225.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@72-254-14-225.client.stsn.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:27] Blast! [04:28] Boom! [04:28] :-P [04:28] Doom! [04:29] DaSkreech: now you can ask me about lunch... which I haven't taken yet [04:29] Jucato: What about lunch? [04:30] you asked me 12 hours earlier if I had lunch already... [04:30] you asked me around midnight my time [04:31] How much time do you spend online? [04:31] depends on the day. also, even if my nick is here, doesn't mean I'm here :D [04:31] As is starting to be true of me [04:32] Shameful === Hobbsee waves === Hobbsee handed out a ubuntu cd === yuriy [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-204-106.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech saves Jucato by tossing him a life jakket === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] anyone else have problems with adept mgr since last upgrade!? [04:43] jeroenvrp: it crashes here. [04:44] firephoto: ok so my bug report is valid [04:44] jeroenvrp: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7848/ [04:45] #88584 [04:45] Bug #88584 [04:45] Malone bug 88584 in adept "Since update 27 feb 06 Adept_manager crashes during startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88584 [04:46] jeroenvrp: your error looks different. it loads here but that last thing it does before it waits for user input and it crashes. [04:46] firephoto: me to, it loads first and than it crashes [04:46] no wait for user input [04:47] loads > crash [04:47] remembers me about a bug during the edgy developemnt [04:48] jeroenvrp: actually that is the same crash output i get now... the one I pasted was from earlier as non sudo [04:49] oh well we have to wait [04:49] using synaptic as an alternative right now === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:25] Brilliant [05:25] feisty is not kernel panicing === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=root@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] awww, mez is gone. [06:21] DaSkreech: that's always good [06:21] You'd think so huh? [06:22] He's on radio [06:22] It's not doing anything now.... won't boot won't take commands [06:23] DaSkreech: even recovery mode? [06:28] Still not booting :( [06:29] ouch === DaSkreech found out that cupsys wasn't starting [06:29] does it boot to anything else? [06:29] ahh [06:29] it boots to recovery [06:29] cupsys wasn't being installed correctly [06:30] not on boot it sticks at running local boot scripts [06:30] s/not/now/ [06:33] .o0(Wonder how I get the log to be more granular) === _chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] Yup /etc/rc.local is broken === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-51-157.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] how do I figure out what comes after running /etc/rc.local in the boot up sequence? I think that's what's stopping me from booting up === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:33] yuriy: hey [07:33] hey DaSkreech [07:33] What's up? === chavo_ [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-114-251.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nael [n=nael@ppp-71-139-172-148.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lotusleaf [n=lotuslea@kernel-panic/member/carne.asada.burrito] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink is now known as raphink === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | test the upgrader https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | test KDE 4 "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.3/ edgy main" === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Feb 22 16:32:11 2007 === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] mhb: nope. whcih layout? === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] <_StefanS_> hi there [11:52] hey _StefanS_! [11:52] <_StefanS_> hi Hobbsee [11:53] <_StefanS_> isn't getting late, or early in .au ? :) [11:53] almost 10pm [11:53] time to cook dinner :) [11:54] <_StefanS_> hehe [11:54] <_StefanS_> anything interested happening at the moment ? [11:54] <_StefanS_> interesting [11:54] here? no [11:54] i should be fixing k-d-s though [11:54] <_StefanS_> k-d-s ? [11:56] k-default-settings [11:56] <_StefanS_> oh [11:57] <_StefanS_> I should be working.. [11:57] <_StefanS_> but its soo damn boring [11:59] hehe [12:01] <_StefanS_> I rather be coding/learning some c++ instead === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db443fd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] hehe [12:17] do it? :) [12:19] _StefanS_: ^ === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well I have do do something that will pay the bills.. then fun afterwards ;) === freeflying [i=root@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] _StefanS_: heh. true === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-4db443fd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-156-1-146-54.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950FE75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee decides the aussiechix stuff is too hard, and sends it all to /dev/null === Hobbsee /dev/null's the sponsors bugmail, too === hunger_t is now known as hunger === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === kwwii [n=kwwii@84.149.105.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeEdgy32 [n=edgy32@hydra.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dinosaur-rus [n=dinosaur@ppp91-76-76-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] hi [01:53] ouch, Adept crashed [01:56] I've uploaded a fix for that, you'll need to wait a few hours === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] Riddell: what're you talking about? === tonio [n=tonio@114.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] hi ;) [02:06] Riddell: ping ? [02:06] or kwwii ? [02:07] howdy tonio [02:07] hi ken :) [02:07] kwwii: well I just got my macbook pro and I have a few questions ;) [02:07] hi tonio [02:07] where is the "pipe" key ? [02:07] lol, cool! [02:07] hey jonathan ;) [02:08] Riddell: f12 doesn't right click here, so I have no way to right click without an external mouse.... ay trick for this ? [02:08] and I don't find where is the "pipe" on the keyboard.... [02:09] appart from those little issues, and a ndiswrapper issue with the kernel, everything just works, pretty cool :) === Riddell has no idea [02:10] Riddell: works out of the box for you ? [02:10] is it safe to delete /.hidden in Feisty (IIRC hiding of root directories is disabled in 7.04)? [02:10] Riddell: do you haved a "pipe" key on your keyboard on your mac ? [02:11] tonio: there is one, you just have to find it [02:11] erm, or did I edit my xorg conf to use another keyboard layout? [02:11] usually "pipe" is Shift+\, but dunno about macs :P [02:11] kwwii: well I'm pretty sure there isn't [02:11] at list no symbol on any key [02:12] lol, my powerbook will not even boot anymore, let me try it with the other mac [02:13] tonio: I've never used a macbook [02:14] dinosaur-rus: yes it is [02:14] Riddell: ah.... I thought you had one [02:15] tonio: my | is apple+< [02:15] but I think I have set my own keyboard layout [02:15] kwwii: no way here.... but I'll investigate :) [02:20] tonio: http://rant.mivox.com/node/310 :) [02:23] dinosaur-rus: thanks ;) [02:23] tonio: so be ready :)) [02:24] dinosaur-rus: I think the issue is now repared, I read about that a few weeks ago [02:24] new macbooks shouldn't have the issue === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] tonio: the quote from one website about MBP: "forward delete key is (FN-Delete) and how to right-click on the Mac (either Control+Click or two fingers on the trackpad and click)." [02:58] ahh... he's away === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:10] good afternoon [03:10] hallow mhb === mbiebl [n=michael@e180090102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] Heya [03:42] hmm, digikam should have been released on sunday [03:42] doesn't look like it was [03:42] ah, week's delay [03:47] Riddell: right, and some l10n teams would like to delay it for some days to get handbook translated [03:48] Riddell: but we should have packages ready early next week [03:48] Riddell: do we have general exception granted for inclusion or is this still to be done? [03:51] Lure: it still needs to be done, we need a changelog and packages to test [03:52] Riddell: tell me when I should start making more buzz about testing, okay? === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:57] mhb: I'm just waiting for the new dist-upgrade tar to appear in the archive [03:58] it's all a bit broken in soyuz I believe [04:02] tomorrow's Herd 5, right? [04:02] too bad the dist-upgrade won't make it [04:04] ? [04:04] What's broken? [04:04] Xorg was bit broken a moment ago. === xerosis [n=kieran@87-194-21-125.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] Riddell: rc1 packages are available on http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/feisty/ [04:08] Riddell: we may also update to rc2 today/tommorow [04:09] mhb: no, next week [04:09] Lure: get mhb to poke some kubuntu-testers :) [04:12] With the exception of my continued frustration with S/MIME signing in Kmail (which is not new with Feisty), KDE in Feisty is going VERY well for me. My only big headache with Feisty at the moment is in the kernel (Bug #86742). [04:12] Malone bug 86742 in linux-source-2.6.20 "D-Link AirPlus DWL-G650 Wireless (rev.C) - Atheros AR5212 (rev 01) does not work in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86742 [04:12] I think all the hard work is paying off. [04:12] Thanks. [04:12] :) === mhb is unhappy about the Kopete encryption problem [04:26] is this chan okay for asking about a possible bug? [04:27] xerosis: this or #kubuntu-testers [04:27] xerosis: but go on [04:28] since yesterday, amarok is claiming it can't play mp3s even though (i'm fairly sure) i haven't removed any packages [04:29] Riddell: I just did - mhb will test and will try to get more testers involved === Lure it is nice to have resources like #kubuntu-testers === manchicken [n=mstemle@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:31] manchicken: any plans to sort out the column issues in adept? (no arrow, columsn shift when expanded) [04:31] Firefox user-agent for google.com and what not...What is new with it? I have never had an issue with FF and Google.com or gmail and such [04:31] am I missing something? [04:31] nixternal: konqueror now sends a FF user agent, which seems to make gmail and calendar work [04:31] OH, Konqi :) [04:32] got it [04:32] Riddell: I need to tackle a lot of that stuff. I'm going through a move right now so it may be another week or two before I actually get a chance. I don't think I'm going to be able to get anything else in before feature freeze. [04:32] I'm pretty sure that feature freeze passed some time ago [04:33] Ah. [04:33] Riddell: there are some issues with gmail and Konqueror, but it's finally usable enough for me [04:33] google calendar looks pretty bad in konq, too [04:34] Sorry man, I've been going crazy with this move. Mid-March things will be stable again. Is it insanely crunch-time yet? [04:34] I can try to crank if we're in a time crunch. === mbiebl [n=michael@e180088015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] I've also been having a hard time getting that silly changelog viewer crash sorted. [04:34] what else is new for Herd 5? [04:35] tomorrow is release, and I have an hour or so available to work on the release page [04:35] tomorrow or next week? === mhb is confused [04:35] T.F.Heen (in the announcement mail) said tomorrow, but Riddell said next week [04:35] March 1 [04:36] If someone could give me a hand witth that it'd be awesome. [04:36] nixternal: KDE4 Kludge? [04:36] Riddell: I figured out that SSL ticket error I was telling you about. It only occurs when you do wiki.kubuntu.COM and not ORG [04:36] I've changed it around on the updater-changelog whatever branch if folks wanted to look at it. [04:36] KDE4 Kludge is in Herd 5? [04:37] E.g. it's not creating new ItemChangelog objects for each item (performance boost), but it's still segfaulting the same. [04:37] hmm, ok, herd 5 is tomorrow [04:37] Lure, mhb, Riddell: I've updated digikam(imageplugins) pkging for rc2 last night. [04:37] spose I should start testing [04:38] allee: great, I will then re-build for feisty [04:38] Lure: you can pull from alioth and rebuild for feisty. I'll do for edgy tonight [04:38] allee: will do tonight, I will hit do road soon ;-) [04:38] Riddell: Will you be around on Saturday? [04:38] Lure: k [04:38] manchicken: I've no idea [04:39] hmm, daily CDs don't look so good [04:39] I want to keep plugging away, but that changelog issue is just sucking my life out and I just can't seem to find the problem. [04:39] That one item has been taking my time up for more than 3 weeks. [04:39] Riddell: are you planning on the KDE4 snapshot for Feisty at all? [04:39] nixternal: maybe we should mention xorg 7.2 (even though it is common to ubuntu) [04:39] Probably just my weakness in C++ coming through. [04:40] right now I have my KDE4 setup on a rather destroyed Slackware box built from SVN [04:40] Lure: good point, forgot all about it and it gave me issues yesterday :) [04:40] nixternal: yes, it's in up to kde4base [04:40] nixternal: koffice 1.6.2 is another point [04:40] Lure: you are my new hero today :) [04:41] manchicken: sounds like it's time to move on to something else :) === Lure is just browsing trough his feisty-changes RSS feed ;-) [04:41] Riddell: Yeah, but it's not okay that we get segv when you click the details button in adept_updater. [04:41] I need to just send the issue over the mailing list. === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.241.64.96] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] Riddell: Could you assign those bugs you mentioned to me? I'll look at them this weekend. [04:43] nixternal: and font issue was resolved by my hero Tonio_ - this almost deserves mention ;-) [04:44] dunno if they have bug numbers [04:44] nixternal: and he fixed translations, which Riddell liked a lot ;-) [04:44] Okay. I'll try to remember it. I don't have access to my hackbox right now. [04:45] Lure, nixternal: in kdesktop [04:45] yes, font issue fixed [04:46] yes some do [04:46] nixternal: I'll send you the kdesktop-related bug numbers right away [04:47] and that font issue that got fixed totally kills my emacs gui with the blocks again [04:47] but other than that, it was nice seeing good fonts again this week [04:48] damn, UTF-8 doesn't seem to work in console again [04:48] nixternal: maybe we should mention basket 1.0 (major release), even though it is in universe === Zyrkon [n=Zyrkon@V3caa.v.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] is kwwii going to add new artwork to Herd 5? [04:49] Lure: it adds content since there isn't nothing major coming out this release really [04:50] so I will add the basket :) [04:50] KOffice isn't installed by default either :) [04:50] nixternal: that is my point too, and we want to make friends with upstream to do some marketing for their apps ;-) [04:51] very true, I have a blog post about basket coming up soon as well since I have been using it to track work this entire release [04:52] nixternal: kdesktop-related bugs Tonio fixed: bug 78856 and bug 78318 [04:52] Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78856 [04:52] Malone bug 78318 in kdebase "Screensaver unlock dialog ignores translation" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78318 [04:52] (hooray goes to him) [05:00] Riddell: Crikey, I didn't know that I was that behind on time. I'm gonna crank this weekend. [05:03] Riddell: I'd forgotten the timeline. I need to start putting timelines into my calendar with alerts so that I don't forget. heh. === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] nixternal: and font problem is bug 78209 [05:05] easily done :) [05:05] Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty] Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209 === Lure has to go -> bbl [05:06] Riddell: have you edited the default polyester settings to disable all those menu items/buttons shadows? [05:07] Riddell: sorry if I'm bothering, I just remembered that [05:09] mhb: I havn't no, tonio might have not sure [05:11] Riddell: okay, no problem - but that has to be done, without that the menus/buttons are hard to read === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy__ [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-200-99.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-4bbeaa1538937cd9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@c-24-21-235-175.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:28] Riddell: I am working on fixing some English strings in the qtparted package but I am concerned about the translations. [05:29] bdmurray: what's wrong with them? [05:29] typos? or something more serious? [05:29] The English strings or the translations? [05:30] bdmurray: wherever the problem is :) [05:30] Riddell: it was grammar problems in the English and I don't want to screw up the translations [05:31] bdmurray: normally I'd say send it upstream, but since there isn't an upstream for qtparted that's not possible [05:31] s/an/an active/ [05:32] bdmurray: qtparted isn't translated in the normal .po way so it's not in rosetta and so changes will loose any translations [05:32] bdmurray: if it's not a serious problem I'd just keep the typos in. if the wording is genuinely unclear then fix it [05:34] Riddell: Okay, I had already done some work on it though. [05:34] Riddell: so the new partitioner will not be translatable? [05:35] bdmurray: may still be worth sending upsteam incase they are more active than I thought [05:35] mhb: sure it will, same as the rest of ubiquity [05:35] Riddell: you had me for a minute .o) [05:36] Riddell: I'll probably poke you if there are some problems with translations of the essential packages (like last time with systemsettings) === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:36] or Tonio the superhero [05:37] pleae do [05:37] please do === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=mstemle@12.47.30.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz_ [i=kozz@81-232-134-52-no22.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C2bca.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:31] Riddell: qtparted is dead? [06:31] DaSkreech: no, but it sitting in a corner growling and not letting anyone near it [06:33] Sort of like the seamonkey packages? [06:34] seamonkey has an upstream at least [06:39] Yeah but it's packages don't [06:44] since they of course don't exist [06:45] Riddell: The dev team bailed? or lost interest? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A72556.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma is now known as toma_ === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:42] ping Riddell === xerosis [n=kieran@87-194-21-125.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |infinity| [n=TheInfin@pD950FE75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tonio_ [n=tonio@113.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] crimsun: ping ? [07:54] http://sinecera.de/kusplash_tester2.png <-- too blue? [08:04] kwwii: maybe a bit on a dark side (which may be even good for boot/shutdown screen). otherwise I like new look [08:05] Lure: yeah, I thought about that too...might lighten it a bit [08:05] kwwii: gears are much nicer now [08:06] all in all it looks less like jelly and more like glass, I think [08:06] kwwii: did you maybe though to change blue in polyester scrollbars/selected menu? people complain a lot as (particularly) scroll bar is now very obvious (and is questionable if it should be) [08:08] Lure: yes, at the time I suggested using polyester I also gave Riddell a color scheme [08:08] it uses a much lighter/desaturated selection color [08:08] also, we could turn the coloring off, but then I think the scrollbars don't look so nice [08:09] kwwii: I like it colored actually, but they really pop up a bit too much [08:09] kwwii: so desaturated sounds cool to me [08:09] one of my biggest questions is whether we should stick to the blue-purple or use blue-blue this time === apokryphos didn't like the purple so much [08:10] kwwii: btw, did you do new ubuntu usplash - I have seen it yesterday and it looks really cool? === yuriy [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-200-99.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=mstemle@network-65-167-67-16.doubleclick.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Erunno [n=matthes@stgt-590e2523.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:45] Lure: yup he did :o) [08:49] is it possible to make the usplash screen colours more like the ones used with the new Kubuntu logo? [08:49] (the one currently on kubuntu.org) [08:50] the current one seems kind of flat to me, more like the Dapper one in that manner [08:50] (the current tester2, I mean) [08:53] the Kubuntu Edgy usplash logo is being my usplash logo favourite :o) [09:14] did it recently get updated? [09:14] my setup still looks the same last I looked [09:14] nixternal: commenting on the kwwii's screenshot he posted a while ago === nixternal scrolls up [09:17] OOOOH!!! kwwii that logo and usplash are HOT! === nixternal heads to school [09:17] ttyl, remember if you have something for the Herd5 release page add it, and I will tweak it later [09:18] nixternal: hmm, I still prefer the old one :o) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neutraloss [n=neutralo@rrcs-24-97-98-201.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:25] anyone here using fglrx/xgl/feisty 4? [09:25] neutraloss: what's up [09:25] weird, I just realized that Adept got uninstalled on my machine [09:25] xgl does not redraw? [09:25] not so much === nixternal leaves [09:25] I recompiled xserver-xgl [09:25] from the bug forum [09:25] yeah [09:25] my only problem is that the scrolling within frames is very slow [09:26] if I run xserver windowed it doesn't seem as bad, but I think that's just because the window is smaller [09:26] using Beryl? [09:26] oh and by the way, please check on my attempt to use another icon for the guidance-power-manager [09:26] independent of beryl atm [09:26] Xgl has gotten slower indeed since 7.2 came on [09:26] and tell me if you like it more/less than the current one : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8510/batteryscreenshot3qw3.png (It's Oxygen's battery icon modified a bit) [09:26] adding the GC redraw patch helps [09:26] but it still sucks [09:27] Compiz is noticeably faster though [09:27] I believe that was included in the diff patch [09:27] well then your options are (1) turn off CPU freq scaling (2) use Compiz [09:27] (3) write long threatening letter to ATI [09:28] oh john, it's you [09:28] lol it's your dsc [09:28] :) [09:28] yes it is :) [09:28] well [09:28] which the motu-uvf's are ignoring atm [09:28] It's independent of compiz well [09:28] it's slower with Beryl than with compiz [09:28] that is for sure [09:28] right now i'm not running either compiz or beryl, just starting an xgl server [09:28] it sucks with Xgl in general [09:29] re [09:29] Lure: yeah, I made the ubuntu stuff too [09:29] and the scrolling is slow within the frames, but the actual acceleration (turning cube) at least from the last time I installed Beryl, was the same. [09:29] yes [09:29] That's just odd. [09:29] scrolling causes Xgl to re-create the texture [09:29] each time you scroll [09:29] ahhh [09:29] it helps to turn off any apps that have a"smooth scrolling" feature [09:29] i.e. Firefox [09:29] not running that atm, konqueror? [09:29] ok [09:29] well, that's the fundamental issue with Xgl [09:30] nod ok [09:30] but seriously Compiz does it faster [09:30] for some really odd reason [09:30] does it faster than xgl standalone? [09:30] beryl is notably slower at scrolling on my machine [09:30] I kinda feel that way === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@nrbg-4db44499.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:31] but we need that xgl patch into Feisty.... [09:31] actually, what's wierd is that I didn't even need to recompile, the performance is the same. [09:31] I'd laugh really hard if it misses RC freeze [09:32] didn't need to recompile what? Xgl? === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [09:32] Xgl will not work unless you recompile [09:32] xserver_xgl [09:32] Xgl would not redraw [09:32] the Feisty version [09:32] hrm.... [09:32] I just recompiled the fglrx drivers and it happened to work. [09:32] Perhaps it does it automatically [09:32] what version of xserver-xgl is installed? [09:32] nothing is automatic [09:33] one moment [09:33] kwwii: I tried to point at my attempt of making the battery icon, but it got lost :o) [09:33] xserver-xgl from fesity actually does not build at all [09:33] in Feisty [09:33] seriously? [09:33] it will not compile against Xorg 7.2 and the new libmesa [09:33] but.. I was running it. [09:33] if you run the old version binary, it'll run [09:33] but as soon as you start beryl or compiz [09:33] the screen stops redrawing [09:33] mhb: lol [09:33] oh, white screen of death? [09:33] not always white [09:33] sometimes it is just suspended animation [09:34] i.e. a screenshot [09:34] you can do all the 3D effects [09:34] but the actual contents don't redraw [09:34] yeah that's what I encountered during my last install [09:34] bug 86841 [09:34] Malone bug 86841 in libxrandr "compiz/beryl does not refresh content of windows" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86841 [09:34] fixed for AIGLX [09:34] broken for Xgl until new version is approved. [09:35] lol I can't get adept to stay open so I can see the version [09:35] apt-cache policy xserver-xgl [09:35] 7.2.0.git.20070224-0ubuntu2 === jdong gives neutraloss a dirty look [09:36] /whimpers [09:36] Feisty is 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 [09:36] :) [09:36] your Xgl works because it's my new version :) [09:36] well yeah [09:36] downgrade and it will not work :) [09:36] I told you that already :) [09:36] well, I hope the new version gets into Feisty. [09:37] xorg 7.2 is standard on feisty right? [09:37] yes [09:37] it'd be really hilarious in the "I'm going to Fedora" way if the UVFe is ignored until a total freeze [09:38] (Xgl is not a part of the Xorg distribution) [09:38] well right now beryl is not usuable, the scrolling is too distracting [09:38] but Compiz is. [09:38] if you say that compiz improves the scrolling beyond that of stand-alone, I will try that. [09:38] and that's also part of a beryl issue too [09:38] ever since the 1.99 series, it's been somewhat slower [09:38] can I install compiz from the repo? or rebuild? [09:39] the repo is fine [09:39] and use beryl-manager to start it === manchicken_ [n=mstemle@12.47.30.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:40] the only thing other than beryl/compiz that is not working for me is my suspend, unfortunately, it appears to suspend fine, but can't come out, the screen flashes the login and then goes black. [09:40] i've tried installing hibernate and turning off vbetools, but that doesn't seem to help === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@c-24-21-235-175.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:41] neutraloss: turn off post Video BIOS and any other hacks, except double_switch_VT [09:42] is that in ram.conf? after installing hibernate? [09:50] no [09:50] well [09:50] I've never used hibernate [09:50] I use /etc/default/acpi-support [09:50] ahhh [09:51] should I comment them out or actually change the flag? [09:53] chagne the flag [09:53] thanks trying now [09:58] hmm...perhaps I'll try it once more :o) [09:59] please check on my attempt to use another icon for the guidance-power-manager and tell me if you like it more/less than the current one : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8510/batteryscreenshot3qw3.png (It's Oxygen's battery icon modified a bit) [10:01] mhb: you need to talk with kwwii ^^^ [10:01] Lure: which I did, of course [10:01] mhb: I like it better if it gets filled from other side ;-) [10:02] mhb: and red should be more saturated to get attention [10:02]