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gilligan_Hobbsee, actually i am not even sure if this scenario is supposed to be supported.. will dmraid be included in feisty final?12:13
Hobbseeno idea12:13
Hobbseehence the bugtracker might12:13
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gilligan_right,ok12:13
Hobbseeif it's not now, it's either a feature that isnt going to be done in time, most likely (as we're past feature freeze), or it's a bug, ie, it's supposed to work, but is broken.12:13
gilligan_okay well then i am pretty sure that it's not going to be in there.. had to install dmraid manually12:14
gilligan_and consequently grub doesn't get the right instructions to set up the device12:15
gilligan_well maybe it'll work with my manual tweaking12:15
gilligan_off to #ubuntu+112:16
gilligan_thanks again (and sorry..)12:16
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ogradmraid was never in main12:16
ograhmm ... to late12:16
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dokoseb128: vfb-run /usr/bin/make -C build-2.4 check12:23
dokoxvfb-run: error: xauth command not found12:23
dokomake: *** [build-2.4/build-stamp]  Error 312:23
dokoI didn't touch the check target12:23
seb128doko: that's an xorg-server bug, fix waiting for moderator ...12:23
seb128Mithrandir is not around apparently12:23
seb128doko: xvfb lacks a Depends on xauth12:24
dokoyes, seen as well12:24
seb128cjwatson: could you reject the gnome-python upload waiting for freeze approval?12:26
seb128and maybe accept the xorg-server one (add Depends xvfb which have been dropped)12:27
cjwatsonyou should be able to do the reject at least ...12:27
seb128hum12:27
cjwatsonbut I've done it12:27
cjwatsonq -Q unapproved reject gnome-python12:27
seb128I've not even though to do freeze work12:27
dokoseb128: why reject, rebuild should be ok?12:27
seb128ok, thanks12:27
cjwatsonit's not really freeze work as such - rejects are safe12:28
seb128doko: 0ubuntu3 has your patch and it breaks the non debug version12:28
seb128cjwatson: right, I will do that myself next time ;)12:28
seb128thank you12:28
cjwatsonseb128: accepted xorg-server, looks fine12:29
seb128thank you12:29
seb128doko: 12:29
seb128$ python -c "import gconf"12:29
seb128Traceback (most recent call last):12:29
seb128  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>12:29
seb128ImportError: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gconf.so: undefined symbol: _Py_RefTotal12:29
dokofrumble12:29
dokogrumble12:29
seb128the patch looks fine though, I'm wondering why it's doing that12:30
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dokohmm, I see, dh_install is called twice with different sourcedirs; should add -N *-dbg, and -p *-NOTDBG as args. checking ...12:31
seb128ah, right12:32
robertjare gtk input methods being deprecated for uim?12:32
seb128probably no need of -N12:32
seb128just -p binary should be enough12:32
seb128robertj: no idea12:32
robertjim-hangul seems to have dissapeared, which is of no great consequence because it has a replacement in uim I believe, but im-classicalgreek is unmaintained and does not12:34
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wasabi_dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address12:46
wasabi_who invented that and how do I turn it off?12:46
Hobbseeyou cant.  12:48
wasabi_bah.12:48
Hobbseeit's discussed on hte ubuntu devel ML, about maintainer fields12:48
wasabi_it's a bit flawed.12:48
Hobbseeif you want to read the thread (and associated spec), you're welcome.12:48
wasabi_I'm adding my personal local changes to an ubuntu deviated package... so my version is basically... 1ubuntu1wasabi112:48
jdongwasabi: change Maintainer: to an @ubuntu.com address12:48
jdongand it'll be happy again.12:48
wasabi_sure. make one up.12:48
jdongyeah12:48
wasabi_"bah"12:48
jdong:)12:48
jdongscrewthispolicy@ubuntu.com12:48
jdongthere.12:48
jdonguse that.12:48
Hobbseewasabi_: that works.  ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com also works12:48
Hobbseewhich is what most are changing to12:48
wasabi_Well, since it's a company internal package, I'd rather have MY address there. ;)12:48
sistpotywasn't there some upstream switch?12:48
wasabi_-W should at least disable it.12:48
wasabi_I have an overlay repository at the office.12:49
wasabi_And I regularily fix minor things or tweak things and introduce new versions.12:49
wasabi_Makes sense to have the contact address be me.12:49
jdongwasabi: I totally agree with you :)12:49
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wasabi_This has almost motivated me to being vocal... almost.12:53
wasabi_But not quite. =(12:53
mooeyshout it from the rooftop12:53
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wasabi_I should put together a system which automatically builds packages including specific CVS revision numbers from upstream...  So I can just jump to some web form someplace and type '123:124'12:53
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idnhi i was wondering if someone could help me point where im going wrong, im trying to set up anjuta to start hacking on my school project, im developing a gnome app. I need the dbus bindings so I include '#include <dbus/dbus.h>' but i get a warning saying there is no such file or directory. I have install the dbus-dev package so i cant seem to figure out what is wrong12:54
wasabi_Not exactly an appropriate question for this channel.  (but you need to specify -I to gcc)12:59
mooeyidn, this isn't a support channel12:59
mooeyplease consult the topic12:59
idnok12:59
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mjg59What happened to wine?01:15
mjg59Oh. 64-bit. Doh.01:15
sabdflwe dwunk it01:15
Gacomentcompile wine cvs01:15
kylemsabdfl, lol.01:16
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jdongcjwatson: do you think ubuntu-archive can process backports this Friday or whenever the next archive-day is?01:44
jdongit's been a while, once again01:44
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cjwatsonwasabi_: I agree with you that there should be a way to turn it off01:46
cjwatsonjdong: mail whoever's archive day it is as a reminder, maybe01:47
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jdongcjwatson: how do I determine whose archive day it is?01:47
cjwatsonjdong: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000250.html01:47
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jdongcjwatson: thanks01:48
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xstasihi02:24
xstasihttp://rafb.net/p/kWm1jy82.html02:24
xstasirunning feisty fawn on powerpc, herd 402:24
xstasihappens with any file, both mplayer and mplayer-nogui02:24
xstasito who should i report this? you or mplayer?02:25
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mjg59crimsun: I've attached a patch that gets speakers working for me here02:28
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bdmurrayRiddell: ping02:28
bddebianHeya02:29
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xstasiany developer?02:50
thelsdjaww, does migration assistant not import accounts from edgy? that seems kinda silly maybe feature just isn't complete :)02:53
Adri2000xstasi: hmm02:55
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Adri2000xstasi: bug #8555002:56
UbugtuMalone bug 85550 in mplayer "mplayer fails to decode mp3 audio on ppc" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8555002:56
xstasioh02:57
xstasii was just filling in reportbug02:57
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xstasilet's hope someone takes care about it02:58
xstasiit's a serious bug02:58
Adri2000xstasi: if you want to help, provide the informations requested in the existing bug report02:58
xstasimh, i'm right now compiling mplayer svn03:06
xstasii have the original ubuntu sources too, i can try recompiling them with debug symbols later03:07
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xstasiwell i have a backtrace anyway03:11
evandthelsdj: It should.  File a bug and attach /var/log/syslog if it doesn't.03:11
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g0suHello, i have a little problem with tmpfs, i can put the umask options. Why? http://pastebin.gulic.org/26603:41
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thelsdjhm, evolution in the 'Office' menu on feisty doesn't appear to have an icon?04:35
thelsdjah i see bug04:35
g0suin my feisty , my evolution have icon :S04:36
thelsdjg0su: is it in both menus?04:36
thelsdjinternet and office?04:36
g0suAplications -> office -> evolution04:36
thelsdj'evolution mail' in internet vs 'evolution' in office04:36
thelsdjhm mine doesn't have an icon, i installed flight 4 then updated04:37
g0suyes, i have two evolutions04:37
g0suevolution mail in internet and evolution in office04:37
thelsdjthe one in office doesn't have icon, not sure if i had one before update04:37
g0suyes same hier, flight four04:37
thelsdjweird04:37
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thelsdjwhere is the data for the menu?04:38
g0suthe data in my menu?04:38
thelsdji just mean where on disk is the data for the menu stored so i can see if bad path or something weird04:39
g0suich weiss nich, i dont know04:40
g0sui understand but i am not know when gnome store the menu04:40
thelsdjsure, thanks04:40
thelsdjdo both of your evolution icons look the same?04:41
g0suevolution in office is the evolution icon04:41
g0subut the icon of evolution mail is different04:41
LaserJock_ /usr/share/applications/ is where most .desktops are04:41
g0suone world with one letter04:42
thelsdjso appears the .desktop file has Icon=evolution-2.1004:44
g0su/home/user/.gconf/apps/evolution :s04:44
thelsdjand looks like both evolution and evolution-common install their own .desktop files, that seems kinda silly04:45
g0subut thelsdj evolution exec -> Exec=evolution-2.10 and evolution-mail -> Exec=evolution --component=mail04:47
thelsdjactually there are 3, i mean theres the mail one, and then there is evolution.desktop and evolution-2.2.desktop and neither appears to have a valid icon, though only one is enabled in the menus i guess, but not sure why there are 2 (maybe for people with an old version installed, i don't know)04:48
thelsdjhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/88439 was marked as resolved only a while ago, so maybe new package will fix eventually04:49
UbugtuMalone bug 88439 in evolution "[Feisty]  no evolution icon" [Low,Fix committed]  04:49
g0suthelsdj, use alacarte04:50
g0suyou can see the 3 evolution :D04:50
thelsdjyea thats where i first noticed there was a hidden one04:51
g0suhttp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9127/pantallazo1hc1.png04:51
thelsdjso 2.9.92-0ubuntu1 was released earlier today, i wonder if this bug was introduced by that04:52
thelsdjg0su: you update your feisty today?04:52
g0suthelsdj, yesterday04:52
thelsdjok so you might not have the buggy version :)04:52
g0su:D04:54
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SEJeffWhen was it decided that compiz would be installed by default?05:36
LaserJockit isn't05:37
_ionIt is.05:37
jdongit is05:37
LaserJockor rather it *is* installed05:37
jdongtoday.05:37
jdong:)05:37
LaserJockjust not turned on05:37
jdongLaserJock: I think that's what installed by default means.05:38
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LaserJockwell ...05:38
LaserJockinstalled by default usually implies used by default05:38
SEJeffLaserJock: I realize that, but I read last weeks dev meeting and the note from sabfdl that beryl and compiz should both go in universe05:38
LaserJockalthough not always ;-)05:38
SEJeffThis is confusing to watch compiz install from a dist-upgrade05:38
LaserJockSEJeff: apparently Mark decided to have it promoted05:38
SEJeffLaserJock: Very cool05:39
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jdongMark is magical.05:40
LaserJockI'm a bit suprised since it's not exactly Main material05:40
LaserJockbut the masses will be happy05:41
jdongmeh, Novell/Redhat at least somewhat believe it's enterprise-ready05:46
jdongto some degree :)05:46
SEJeffLaserJock: True, but that will likely give it much more testing (which can only be good in the end)05:46
jdongbut masses happy is good05:46
jdongbesides FC6 has been guinea pigging desktop-effects for us05:46
SEJeffRight05:46
LaserJockI don't look forward to the bugs/support problems05:47
jdongthe truth is people who want to enable desktop effects will go to all lengths to do it05:47
jdongand many are willing to risk that stability for it05:47
LaserJockbut yeah, hopefully it'll get cleaned up quick05:47
jdonglook at all the guides around for Xgl and Beryl and such.05:47
SEJeffjdong: and doing it in a somewhat supportable way is much better05:47
jdongdon't those make you CRINGE? :)05:47
jdong"delete libxmesa.this and copy libxmesa.that into it"05:47
jdubLaserJock: compiz is main material, just not for everyone :)05:47
LaserJockuhhh ;-)05:48
jdongyou mean like emacs?05:48
jdonglol05:48
jdongwell actually that's for no one.05:48
mptWhat Ubuntu needs is a decent text editor05:49
SEJeffmpt: sudo apt-get install vim-full && sudo update-alternatives --config editor :P05:50
_ionBut... It already *has* ed.05:50
mptSEJeff, I said "decent"05:50
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_ionIt is the standard editor.05:50
LaserJockI was going to say emacs, but didn't want to get shot05:50
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SEJeffemacs is a great operating system, it just needs a decent editor05:51
SEJeffLike vim05:51
mptok, I'll rephrase05:51
jdonggod emacs needs to C-x C-DIE a slow painful death05:51
LaserJockI like it for editing, not so much the OS part05:51
mptProgrammers currently using UltraEdit, EditPad, BBEdit, etc don't seem to have an equivalent editor they can use on Ubuntu05:52
SEJeffemacs is actually a lot less code than vim too05:52
jdongI like it for the fact that I can alias it to vim, not so much for the vim is not default on Athena part.05:52
jdongmpt: GEdit :D05:52
SEJeffmpt: And sadly, site is one of the best editors like that in the repos05:52
jdongactually GEdit is interestingly useful05:53
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SEJeffs/site/scite/05:53
jdongaren't I supposed to be doing some backport of scite.... hmm....05:53
mptjdong, I use gedit daily. It doesn't even have Find with grep.05:53
SEJeff*cough* python plugin05:53
mptwhat?05:54
jdongpython05:54
jdonggedit05:54
jdongimport re05:54
jdongand friends05:54
jdongvoila05:54
SEJeffmpt: Gedit is scriptable with python and really really easily05:54
jdonggedit can be an OS too.05:54
jdongbut it doesn't hurt your pinkie05:54
SEJeffOr make people hate you05:55
mptjdong, but see, if I have to learn python just to find regexps, I might as well just use emacs in the first place05:55
jdongmpt: well python is actually something useful to leran.05:55
mptwhereas with the other editors I mentioned, it's a checkbox in the Find window.05:55
mptIt's also modal, which is another thing that annoys me about gedit05:58
mpte.g. if you've nearly finished typing the thing you want to search for, and then you realize "oh, this thing needs to be a regular expression", you'd have to exit out of it and start again in the python console05:58
SEJeffmpt: Have you used the gedit CTRL K search? Doesn't sound like you have05:59
mptSEJeff, yes, I reported a bug about it yesterday05:59
SEJeffmpt: ok, just checking06:00
mptbut that's not quite relevant to this issue :-)06:00
mptwell, actually, it is06:00
mpte.g. start typing a Ctrl+K search, and then realize "oh, this search needs to be case-sensitive", so you have to exit out of it and start again in the Find window...06:00
LaserJockso all editors suck, emacs just sucks less?06:01
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mptSomething like that :-)06:01
jdong@lart LaserJock 06:01
jdong:)06:01
mptfor various values of "emacs"06:01
jdongfor extremely nonexistent values of emacs.06:01
LaserJockmpt: amazingly I've found a similar thing with web browsers, email clients, and OSs06:01
SEJeffWe need a meta-package called emacs-ng that just depends on vim-full06:02
LaserJockeww06:02
jdongactually vim-full Replaces: emacs06:02
jdongat least in my dreams06:02
jdonglol if I submit a patch... never mind :P06:02
g0suemacs vs vim? troll xD06:02
LaserJockI love vim, but that's just wrong :-)06:03
mptLaserJock, how do you mean?06:03
LaserJockweb browsers suck, email clients suck, OSs suck06:03
LaserJocksome just suck a little less than the others06:03
SEJeffSo write your own06:03
mptThis isn't really a matter of sucking, it's more a symptom of "lack of itch" on the part of the developers06:04
mptSame reason we don't have much kids' software06:04
LaserJockSEJeff: now why would I do that?06:04
LaserJockmpt: somewhat for sure06:04
SEJeffWell if it sucks, maybe you could make it better06:04
mptor an Internet connection assistant06:04
LaserJockSEJeff: extremely doubtful06:04
stubLaunchpad is going down in 26 minutes for a code update and data migration work. Estimated downtime is 3 hours.06:05
SEJeffLaserJock: That was sarcasm, nvm my OT06:05
mptbecause the people who would be able to solve those problems are the people who do not have them.06:05
LaserJockSEJeff: ;-)06:05
Hobbseestub: yay.  the one time where I *wasnt* about to do triaging work.  we're making progress here.06:06
LaserJockmpt: I understand what you're saying for sure. I'm a scientist and I'd love to see better scientific software. But it's hard for scientists to do it becuase they are busy doing science06:07
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supervillainWhy does NoDisplay=True doesn't work in Feisty?06:08
Hobbseesupervillain: please see the topic06:09
Hobbseesupervillain: after that, please think on not barging in and asking a question, and more importantly, about actually providing some context with your question - like, what app it's in.  also, checking the bugtracker adn reporting it, if it's not there, is useful.06:10
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g0suHobbsee, when i see one error when i report it? i am new with ubuntu, sorry. I am reading the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU but is so lange and i need some time.06:31
mpthmm06:31
mptSomeone tell me about package descriptions06:31
mptI see a lot of descriptions with lines that are blank except for "."06:31
mptWhat is that for?06:31
Hobbseeg0su: that's fine.  you can always ask for help on how to search, etc06:32
Hobbseempt: er, that's something to lart the maintainer over, if that's the only thing in the description.  "." is the way to get a new line.06:32
mptHobbsee, why can't you just get a new line with \n?06:33
Hobbseempt: dunno, actually...06:33
_ion\n is a record separator06:33
_ion...for the lack of a better word06:33
_ionin debian/control, that is.06:33
mpt_ion, I see plenty of other "\n"s in the description though06:34
Hobbseeoh yeah, as it says that the section below the space is unknown, or whatever.06:34
mptlooks like it's hard-wrapped06:34
mptSee, in Launchpad we have code that converts Ascii text to HTML06:34
mptso it inserts <br /> and <p> and so on06:35
_ionPerhaps the software is pedantic and the descriptions contain a space after the dot, or something like that.06:35
mptso for example, the sqcwa description ends up as06:35
mpt&nbsp;This program reads squid/access.log on the fly, analyses it and<br />06:35
mpt&nbsp;searches inside all text/html objects for some &lt;meta&gt; tags, and<br />06:35
mpt&nbsp;if found, tells squidclient to purge the page.<br />06:35
mpt&nbsp;.<br />06:35
mpt... etc06:35
mptNot as nice as it could be06:35
mptso it looks like package descriptions are using some not-quite-plain-text format06:36
mpthttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html doesn't describe the format06:39
mpthmm, I bet the MOTUs will know06:39
mptthey spend all day packaging :-)06:40
Toadstoolmpt: because control files follow rfc822 afaik and in rfc822, an empty line separates headers and an optional body06:40
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mpt"Blank lines, or lines consisting only of spaces and tabs, are not allowed within field values or between fields - that would mean a new paragraph."06:41
mpthttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html06:41
mptaha!06:42
mpthttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Description06:42
mpt"[Lines]  containing a single space followed by a single full stop character ... are rendered as blank lines. This is the *only* way to get a blank line[34] ."06:43
mpt"Completely empty lines will not be rendered as blank lines. Instead, they will cause the parser to think you're starting a whole new record in the control file, and will therefore likely abort with an error."06:43
mptfantascinating06:43
mptok, so Launchpad needs a new formatter06:43
mptthanks Hobbsee, _ion, and Toadstool 06:45
Hobbseeno problem06:45
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g0suFor search who packet have one file in ubuntu?(i only know in gentoo: equery f file XD)06:48
g0subecouse i am searching the dh_make06:48
g0suand i have dpkg-dev06:49
g0sulol dh-make i am searching with dh_make XD06:49
g0su7:00 and i dont sleep i think than this is the problem :P06:50
giftnudeldpkg-query -S06:54
g0sugiftnudel, i wont one children with you :P06:57
g0suthanks you a lot ;)06:57
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g0sugiftnudel, but this is only if i have install the package but if i dont install the package, and for example i dont know than lspci is in pciutils, what is the command for search lspci y the repository?07:22
LaserJockg0su: you probably want to use packages.ubuntu.com in that case07:25
Toadstoolor apt-file07:26
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Hobbseeapt-cache search is also good07:29
g0suroot@DarkTemplar:~# apt-file07:30
g0su-su: apt-file: orden no encontrada07:30
g0suroot@DarkTemplar:~# apt-cache search lspci07:30
g0suroot@DarkTemplar:~# 07:30
g0suoki doki i go to search the apt-file in  packages.ubuntu.com07:30
Toadstoolg0su: you have to install apt-file in order to use it but I guess packages.u.c is a better option for you07:31
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dholbachgood morning07:54
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_ionGood evening.07:57
dholbachhiya _ion07:57
_ionWhat's up?07:58
dholbachI'm slowly *waking* up :-)07:58
dholbachHow are you?07:58
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_ionI'm going to try to get unresting, make something to eat and then go sleeping. :-)07:59
dholbachsounds good :)08:00
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_ionWell, i should try to eat more often than every 24 hours or so. :-)08:01
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pittiGood morning08:15
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ajmitchmorning pitti 08:15
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sabdflyikes! what happened to thunderbird branding / palette?08:23
sabdfloh, it's every application. seems we lost something in the ubuntu-theme upload08:24
dholbachsabdfl: oh? can you post a screenshot? which version of human-theme do you have?08:26
sabdfldholbach: i'm up to date on feisty08:26
sabdflall the menus and dialogs look like windows9808:27
sabdflhmm... not all08:27
sabdflt-bird08:27
sabdfloo.o08:27
sabdflboth affected08:27
pittiI just dist-upgraded as well, and it looks fine so far; /me starts ooo08:27
sabdflcalculater too08:27
sabdflpitti: try rebooting / logging out and in?08:28
pittisabdfl: yep, will do; brb08:28
dholbachooo looks nice for me too - i did a restart when i dist-upgraded today08:28
dholbachthe human-theme upload i did was 'packaging changes' and it should only affect the window decorations anyway08:29
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pittihm, gnome-terminal is crashy-crashy now (hey dholbach)08:29
dholbachpitti: can you get me a debug backtrace?08:30
pittidholbach: will do in a minute08:30
pittisabdfl: today's dist-upgrade removed human-gtk-theme and installed human-theme; maybe something went wrong with that?08:30
dholbachpitti: I merged the two packages.08:30
dholbachand they should only affect the metacity window decorations08:31
pittidholbach: oh, oops, ENOLAUNCHPAD08:31
dholbachsabdfl: it'd be nice if you could post a screenshot - for the moment I'm clueless to what might have happened there08:32
pittiarrrgh08:32
pittidholbach: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/gnome-terminal.crash08:35
dholbachpitti: gracias08:35
dholbachpitti: it must be vte and there was a new release yesterday that seb128 wanted to take care of - i hope it'll resolve it08:35
pittidholbach: I already have yesterday's new release -- oh, you mean there's yet another one?08:36
dholbach0.15.508:36
dholbach0.15.4 is in the archive afaik08:36
Mithrandir       vte | 1:0.15.4-0ubuntu1 |        feisty | source08:36
Mithrandirso yes.08:36
Mithrandir(and I can't access the queue now, since LP is down)08:37
dholbachah no... 0.15.5 is not interesting08:37
dholbachit has the patch i merged in manually08:37
dholbachpitti: i'll forward it08:37
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ajmitch:)08:38
=== ajmitch dist-upgrades the laptop
sabdfldholbach: https://chinstrap.canonical.com/~mark/human-theme-issue.png08:39
dholbachsabdfl: and ooo looks just like that?08:39
sabdflyes08:42
sabdflneed to catch a car now08:42
sabdflcheers08:42
dholbachsabdfl: it can't be the human-theme upload - the window decorations are all correct. 08:42
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dholbachok see ... you08:42
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dholbachpitti: gnome bug 41297708:47
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pittidholbach: thanks08:48
pittiUbugtu: *shake* *shake* wake up, dude!08:48
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ajmitchpitti: I doubt it'll go with LP down :)08:48
ajmitchpoor pitti08:48
pittiajmitch: bugzilla.gnome.org != launchpad.net08:48
pittinot yet, at least :-P08:48
ajmitchpitti: I know, but still..08:48
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jdubanyone using bind on fisty? mine seems to be wedging every now and then, not answering anything (even rndc)09:04
jdubrt_sigsuspend([] 09:10
jdub^ strace sitting there...09:10
pittiMithrandir: could you please update the powerpc live CD? it's a week old, and the jigdo doesn't work any more09:12
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Mithrandirpitti: this morning's one should have built fine, but I'll check.09:12
pittiMithrandir: thank you!09:13
jdubhrm09:13
jdubstrace -f:09:13
jdub[pid 25742]  <... gettimeofday resumed> {1172650424, 797245}, NULL) = 009:13
jdub[pid 25742]  gettimeofday({1172650424, 797645}, NULL) = 009:13
jdub[pid 25742]  futex(0x80a6f90, FUTEX_WAIT, 9, NULL09:13
jdub09:13
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Mithrandircjwatson: what do you think of enabling the migration assistant by default now?09:14
jdubhrm, hitting that every few seconds09:14
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pittiMithrandir: hm, today's images seem to be out of date anyway, packages seem to be from < Feb 2609:21
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Mithrandirpitti: I'll go check on it now.09:23
pittino, wait, md5sum doesn't match09:23
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Mithrandirpitti: ah, of course.09:24
Mithrandirpitti: are you looking in /ports/daily or just /daily ?09:24
pittimight entirely be my silly ISP not resolving /current correctly09:24
pittiMithrandir: /daily, for amd6409:24
Mithrandirpitti: hmm, I thought you talked about the ppc ones?09:25
pittiMithrandir: that too, but there you are right, I need to swich my scripts to /ports; thanks09:25
pittiMithrandir: maybe the old ppc images could be removed from /daily-live/current to avoid confusion?09:26
Mithrandirpitti: yes, doing so now.09:26
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Mithrandir(from -daily)09:27
g0sua09:27
g0suare you really friki? do you like linux? sure? -> http://www.pubfoto.com/albums/album35/le_mutande_di_linux.sized.jpg XDDDDD09:27
Mithrandircjwatson: cdimage/ports/daily/hoary; can I remove that? :-)09:30
Mithrandircjwatson: and the stuff in cdimage:custom/, can that go?09:33
jdubelmo: you guys testing fisty on ubuntu infra yet?09:35
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pittihey seb128 09:44
seb128morning pitti09:44
pittidholbach: current amd64 live CD exposes this theme weirdness09:45
ajmitchhi seb128 09:45
seb128Hi ajmitch09:45
seb128hum, update manager is b0rked09:46
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ajmitchpython-apt issues?09:46
seb128hey mvo09:46
pittiseb128: summoning powers ;-P09:46
seb128I was just saying that update manager is b0rked :p09:46
ajmitchmorning mvo :)09:46
seb128  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/fakegconf.py", line 48, in save09:46
seb128    file = open(CONFIG_FILE, "w")09:46
seb128IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/root/.update-manager-conf'09:46
mvohey seb128! 09:47
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mvohey ajmitch09:47
mvoseb128: heh :) fixed, but my uploads are lost in soyuz09:47
=== ajmitch hopes compiz works properly on the laptop now
cjwatsonMithrandir: have you tested the migration assistant much yet?09:47
seb128mvo: are you sure they are just not blocked by freeze?09:47
seb128mvo: .7 is to the unapproved queue09:48
seb128mvo: like waiting for moderation09:48
cjwatsonMithrandir: ports/daily/hoary can go, not custom (need to archive that)09:48
ajmitchgah, upgrade broke, /boot full09:49
mvoseb128: currently there is 0.57.2 in the archive. and I uploaded quite a few since then. 0.57.5 is build sucessfully and marked "published"09:49
pittiajmitch: what's that thing with /boot on an extra partition? what does that buy you?09:49
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ajmitchpitti: / is LVM09:49
pittiajmitch: ah, and you cannot boot from that?09:50
ajmitchgrub doesn't know about LVM09:50
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ajmitchgrub2 may do, when we use that in the distant future :)09:50
pittiajmitch: I have / (including /boot) on md raid-1 on my server, and lilo boots it just fine09:50
seb128mvo: hum, k09:50
Mithrandircjwatson: no, I haven't tested it, but I'd either want to defer it or make it default soonish.09:50
ajmitchpitti: right, but that's lilo, I like keeping grub since xen is easier with it09:51
seb128Mithrandir: could you accept the vte update and the new desktop-effects (the diff with the previous version is basically a drop of the code which refused to activate compiz on xinerama)09:51
cjwatsonMithrandir: ok, I'll think about it this morning09:51
ajmitchpitti: my mistake was just making /boot too small :)09:51
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Mithrandirseb128: yes, I can once LP is back.09:51
seb128ah, didn't know that LP was out of order09:52
seb128thanks ;)09:52
ajmitchseb128: so compiz should work on dual-head nvidia now?09:52
Mithrandirseb128: production update.09:52
pittiseb128: scheduled downtime for feisty translations09:52
seb128ah, they didn't do it in the middle of the night that time09:52
Mithrandirit was supposed to be done half an hour ago09:52
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cjwatson2:30am would have got in the way of west coast US folks (e.g. mdz ;-))09:53
cjwatsonso it was moved to 5:30am09:53
Mithrandirstaging is up, though.  If you need to look at things, etc.09:53
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ajmitchseb128: xserver is dying with not finding fixed font, you uploaded a fix for that?10:00
=== ajmitch saw it discussed here earlier, can't remember who though :)
seb128ajmitch: no10:00
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seb128/usr/share/X11/fonts is probably a directory on your box10:00
seb128which broke the /usr/share/X11/fonts -> /usr/share/fonts/X11 creating10:01
seb128creation10:01
seb128we really need to workaround that10:01
seb128dunno why some install have a directory there :/10:01
ajmitchyeah it is a dir10:02
ajmitchold fonts.{alias,dir} that weren't removed on package upgrades10:03
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seb128ogra: new gnome-power-manager to package10:06
tepsipakkiseb128: we can bring back that patch which fixes the font-issue.. I tested it yesterday10:07
seb128tepsipakki: would be nice, do you have a debdiff handy? ;)10:07
tepsipakkiI can dig it10:07
seb128tepsipakki: I did an upload to fix the xvfb Depends which have been dropped during the merge10:07
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tepsipakkiseb128: ok, it's not visible in -changes yet though10:09
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seb128tepsipakki: weird, it was yesterday evening for me10:09
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tepsipakkiseb128: oh, I can download the new source10:12
tepsipakkiso it is in the archive10:12
seb128tepsipakki: it has been accepted like 10 hours ago, not a surprise ;)10:12
tepsipakkiyesh10:12
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zygahi I'm trying to install edgy server on a CF card and I'm having issues with GRUB - I'm tracking the problem down but I realized that we are using grub-0.97 aka grub 1 aka grub legacy that no longer accepts bug reports or patches, am I correcT?10:14
zygaIn other words, assuming that I manage to fix the problem my patch will probably be lost10:14
zygaI don't like that to happen10:14
dholbachogra: new gnome-power-manager10:18
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seb128ogra: I told that like 10 minutes ago :p10:20
seb128ups10:20
seb128dholbach: I told that like 10 minutes ago :p10:20
dholbachseb128: OKAY10:21
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ogradholbach, seb128, did you see ? there is a new gnome-power-manager :P10:26
seb128ogra: there is? cool! What about packaging it then :p10:26
pittioh, bazaar.lp.net is down too10:26
dholbachogra: ROCK10:27
ograheh10:27
ogralet me finish my mail ... then i'll get to it ...10:28
Mithrandirpitti: do you still have the amd64 live cd booted?10:34
pittiMithrandir: no, but I can do it quickly10:34
Mithrandirpitti: please, and if you can check whether installing gtk2-themes-ubuntulooks fixes the problem, that'd be swell10:35
pittiMithrandir: sure, doing now10:35
pittidholbach, Mithrandir: ^ confirmed, that repairs it10:42
Mithrandirthanks.10:42
Mithrandirdholbach: can you upload a new -theme package that depends on g-t-u?10:42
dholbachARG10:42
dholbachdefinitely!10:42
pittidholbach, Mithrandir: just to avoid errors in a hurry, it's s/themes/engines/10:42
Mithrandirthanks.10:42
Mithrandiroh, sorry, yes.10:43
pittihm, I just got another report about /usr/share/X11/fonts b0rkage; but I guess that's not h5 critical?10:43
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Mithrandirthat's an upgrade problem, not an install problem, isn't it?10:44
pittiyep10:44
Mithrandirhandle it later, then10:44
MithrandirIMO10:44
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Ngseveral people in #ubuntu+1 got bitten by the font path changing yesterday fwiw10:45
ograpitti, i have one hal bug where pressing the powerbutton generates two events, i think we should look into that before release10:45
pittiMithrandir: btw, did you see my dhcp3 freeze exception request from yesterday?10:45
pittiogra: ok10:45
Riddellbdmurray: pong10:47
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seb128hum11:16
seb128for things like xserver-xorg-video-* where we sync on Debian and just add an additional Conflicts,Replaces on xserver-xorg-driver-package, do we need to change the Maintainer?11:17
seb128or can we use a build1 version?11:17
pittiseb128: if we change debian/control, this needs to be -ubuntu1 and Ubuntu maintainer AFAICS11:20
seb128pitti: ok :/11:20
pittiseb128: otherwise the change would disappear automatically on next autosync11:20
seb128hum, that's a good point11:20
pittiyay LP!11:21
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cbx33ooho LP is back?11:23
dholbachMithrandir: the new gthumb works nicely for me - but i'm happy with waiting after herd5 - as you like it.11:23
ajmitchdholbach: you should be using f-spot instead :)11:25
Hobbseedholbach: did you get that message that YOU ROCK?11:28
dholbachHobbsee: yes, THANK YOU!11:28
ajmitchheh11:28
dholbachHobbsee: you ROCK too :)11:29
=== pitti sings d-hol-d-dhol-bach rocks!
dholbachHobbsee: what do I owe the pleasure? :)11:29
ajmitchdholbach: just being you?11:29
Hobbseedholbach: :)  the bzr wiki howto11:29
=== Hobbsee doesnt rock
dholbachyou're all flattering me :)11:29
=== Hobbsee does nothing
dholbachHobbsee: oh? which one?11:29
Hobbseeoh crap, i needed to put a new k-d-s upload thru.11:30
Hobbseedholbach: w.u.c/bzr11:30
dholbachHobbsee: i didn't work much on it11:30
dholbachHobbsee: troy_s started it and some #bzr folks improved it11:31
Hobbseeit's attributed to you and one of the LP guys11:31
Hobbseeahhh11:31
dholbachI chatted with troy about bzr before11:31
schwukIs gnome control center gone for good in Feisty?11:32
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seb128schwuk: no, it's still there, the menu item is just hidden11:33
schwukseb128: will it remain off by default?11:34
seb128schwuk: menus will be default for feisty11:34
seb128and we will reconsider shell next cycle11:34
dholbachseb128: you should write a DesktopTeam/FAQ :)(11:34
seb128it still has some bugs that would be nice to fix11:34
schwukbugger - now I have to re-re-write my chapter!11:35
seb128dholbach: yeah ;)11:35
seb128schwuk: sorry about that11:35
schwukseb128: It's not too bad - I just need to re-add the bits from the first edition11:35
schwukIt's a pain in the **** writing a book about an unfinished product. :(11:36
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Treenaksschwuk: nose?11:37
schwukfinalbeta: insert your own four letter word depending on how coarse you are! :)11:37
ograis it on purpose that we only have amd64 images ?11:37
schwukTreenaks: I was thinking jono actually :)11:38
Treenaksschwuk: 'a pain in the jono'? hmm..11:38
schwukTreenaks: It's his fault...11:38
mvoRiddell: it looks like adept is crashing with the latest apt on package removal *sigh*11:38
Riddellmvo: erk11:39
Mithrandirdholbach: cheers, sounds good.11:39
cjwatsonogra: you know where the logs are11:39
cbx33ogra: had some ltsp-build-client errors on edgy11:40
Mithrandirogra: the reason you don't have ppc images is I nuked them.11:41
dholbachMithrandir: i'll mark bug 86305 as fix committed then11:41
UbugtuMalone bug 86305 in gthumb "UVF exception: gthumb 2.9.3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8630511:41
ograMithrandir, i was more intrested in i386 :)11:42
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Mithrandirogra: i386-schaithreeeightysix. :-)11:43
Mithrandircjwatson: the normal soyuz bug is the problem; could you do your workaround?11:44
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Mithrandircjwatson: (d-i + tarfile = boom)11:44
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ogracjwatson, err ... the last log in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/edubuntu/feisty/ is from feb 16th11:46
cjwatsonMithrandir: meh11:46
cjwatsonogra: ah, this is the first I've heard of that. will investigate11:47
ograsome mirroring issue i guess11:47
ograpitti, bug 81227 was the one i was talking about earlier ...11:48
UbugtuMalone bug 81227 in hal "Logout screen appears twice [Feisty] " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8122711:48
Mithrandirdholbach: your changelog for human-theme is wrong (but the fix is correct).  You're adding g-e-u to Depends, not Build-Depends.11:48
cbx33is it a known bug that sometimes pressing the power button straight shutsdown the machine and doesn't prompt what to do?11:49
cbx33sorry may be the wrong place to ask11:49
dholbachMithrandir: sorry11:49
pitticbx33: happens to me on ppc11:50
cbx33pitti: happens to me sometimes on i38611:50
cbx33but i can't reproduce, random unfortunately :(11:50
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segfaultCongratulations on completing your LPIC-3 "Core" certification.11:52
segfaultwoohoo! :>11:52
cbx33w00t segfault 11:52
cbx33congrats11:52
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segfaultits nice11:53
cbx33my problem is I'm a JOATMON11:54
cbx33Jack Of All Trades, Master Of None :p11:54
segfaulthehe11:54
cbx33i do a bit of everything11:54
cbx33guess being a sysadmin doesn't help there11:54
segfaultsure it helps11:56
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ografeisty-server-amd64.iso              28-Feb-2007 00:48  596M11:59
ograOMG what do i do with all that space ?11:59
cjwatsonogra: build logs fixed; thanks. It was fallout from the old /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com compatibility symlink being removed.12:00
ograah, k12:00
StevenKAh, no-name-yet.com is getting the boot?12:00
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cbx33ogra, well the build failed again12:04
cbx33E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes12:05
cbx33this is ticking me off now12:05
cjwatson(fix the problems, don't add --force-yes ...)12:06
cbx33cjwatson: good advice ;) - If I knew where the problem lay12:06
Mithrandirmeh, mdebdiff doesn't handle the case of something having changed components.12:07
MithrandirStevenK: well, not having it means less hassle when tab-completing.. :-)12:08
cjwatsoncbx33: is this a CD build log?12:09
cbx33ogra is aunauthenticated instlalation of pacakges liable to cause it to fail here?12:09
cbx33no.....I installed from CD and ltsp build failed there 12:09
cbx33so i was trying a manual one, but it's failing here too12:09
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ogracan you do one that you log ? ands send me the log ? 12:10
ogra*and12:10
cbx33how do you want me to log12:10
cbx33just capture the output of the build?12:10
seb128Mithrandir: please accept the vte update (fix a crasher) and the xorg-server update (fix "fixed font not found" problem for people who had a /usr/share/X11/fonts directory before updating)12:11
ograyourcommand 2>&1 >/tmp/file.log12:11
ograsomething like that12:11
seb128hum12:12
Mithrandirogra: that does not do what you think it does.12:12
seb128Rejected:12:12
seb128Unable to find vte_0.15.5.orig.tar.gz in the distribution.12:12
Mithrandirblah > file 2>&1 is usually what you want.12:12
seb128Mithrandir: if I've an 0ubuntu2 to upload I should use -sa for it?12:12
ograMithrandir, wrong order ? 12:12
seb1280ubuntu1 has not been accepted12:12
ograright12:12
ogracbx33, ^^^^12:13
cbx33http://pastebin.ca/37551612:13
Mithrandirseb128: if there's no .orig.tar.gz in the archive, you should use -sa, yes.12:13
ogracbx33, a *full* log please12:14
cbx33okie12:14
ograthats edgy you said ?12:15
cbx33yes12:15
cbx33just running it again with full logging12:15
ograand you cleaned up properly before i hope :)12:15
cbx33just like you told me12:15
ogragood12:15
cbx33sudo rm /opt/ltsp/i386 -Rf12:15
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pittiholy sh**, my ddebs repository is 21 GB already; poor people.u.c...12:21
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Mithrandirseb128: with vte and xorg-server in, you have all the changes you want before herd 5 in?12:29
Mithrandircjwatson: you worked around the soyuz / d-i breakage?12:29
seb128Mithrandir: no, but the other are not really blockers12:29
seb128Mithrandir: I would like to have a gnome-panel inverting admin and system menus (the way they used to be ordered) and dropping the network applet (which dups with network-manager icon)12:30
seb128s/inverting/switching12:30
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Mithrandirseb128: do you have the packages for this ready?  If so, I can sneak them in.12:31
seb128Mithrandir: no, but that's just using again a patch we dropped and modifing a .schemas, that will be quick, doing that now12:31
Mithrandirseb128: go ahead, then.12:32
poningruhalp12:33
poningruwhat do you guys think should go in the herd5 'release notes'?12:34
poningruadded bunch of stuff like artwork etc.12:34
poningruapport12:34
seb128poningru: compiz on the CD?12:34
poningruxorg 7.212:34
poningruooh awesome12:34
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poningruvpn plugins12:36
poningrufor nm12:36
poningrukeep it coming btw12:36
Ngoh awesome, I'd been building the openvpn one myself :)12:36
poningruyeah soren hansen did those two12:37
poningruatleast checked them in12:37
poningru...12:37
cbx33ogra http://pastebin.ca/37554612:37
Ngponingru: well my thanks to whoever it was ;)12:37
cbx33is there a pipe to clipboard command?12:37
cbx33cat something | clipboard12:37
Mithrandirxclip?12:38
cbx33thanks12:39
cbx33ogra: it still failed with the same message12:39
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cjwatsonMithrandir: argh, sorry, not yet, doing now12:51
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Mithrandirseb128: should I hold the publisher waiting for you?12:55
seb128Mithrandir: package is building on my box, shouldn't take long, please do12:55
Mithrandirseb128: cheers; publisher on manual.12:56
Mithrandirtell me when your packages are uploaded?12:56
cjwatsonMithrandir: some amd64 oversizing in daily-checks mail12:56
Mithrandiralmost 10MB. :-(12:57
shawarmaNg: No problem. :-) (re: the network-manager vpn plugins).12:57
Ngshawarma: :)12:58
ogracbx33, hmm, strange i was expecting to see more errors above ... i wonder why it cant authenticate the packages ... i dont see that behavior here 01:02
cbx33no....it is odd and bloody annoying01:03
cbx33excuse my language01:03
ograany special optionsa you give to ltsp-build-client ?01:05
cbx33none01:06
cbx33jus ta straight run01:06
seb128Mithrandir: gnome-panel uploaded, I didn't do the menu switch, it should rather be done to the gnome-menus layout and can wait after herd, the other changes might be useful for herd (fix gdm_socket location, which is used for people using the upstream session dialog mode) and dropped the wireless applet from the profile (dup with network-manager)01:06
cbx33i really can't understand it01:06
cbx33is there a way i can check gpgv01:07
Mithrandirseb128: ok.01:07
cbx33see if that's causing the issue?01:07
cjwatsonMithrandir: so did you want that ubiquity migration-assistant change? I have it in bzr now01:08
cjwatsonwill try to do a test run first01:08
Mithrandircjwatson: if you think it's reachable for feisty, I think it's about time it's turned on.01:09
Mithrandirseb128: I'll accept the upload, but IMO you should reverse the test.  Right now, I can make gnome-panel unable to talk to gdm by doing "touch /tmp/.gdm_socket"01:10
seb128Mithrandir: good point01:11
seb128will fix that after the freeze01:11
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cbx33I tried running gpgv and it seemed to be ok01:15
cbx33ogra even apt-get update fails to run gpgv properly01:17
ograon the server ?01:18
ograor in the chroot ? where did you test that01:19
cbx33on the server01:19
ograMithrandir, there is a new g-p-m waiting in the queue01:20
cbx33Unknown error runn gpgv01:20
cbx33s/runn/executing01:20
Mithrandirogra: *sigh*; you just missed the publisher with that.01:22
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ogrameh01:22
ograi didnt want to push it untested, else i'd have been ready 15min ago :(01:23
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cbx33ogra got it01:26
cbx33damn it the clock had skewed....we should warn the user about this01:26
cjwatsonltsp-build-client should just use the gpgv option that ignores timestamp skew01:29
cbx33well it doesn't as yet :p01:29
cbx33cos apt-get update worked when changing the time01:29
cjwatsonbase-installer writes out an apt.conf.d fragment for the duration of the install that does that01:29
cbx33so i hope this will fix it01:29
ogracbx33, does /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/020-apt-get-update exist ? 01:29
cbx33lemme check01:29
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cjwatson        # Avoid clock skew causing gpg verification issues.01:30
cjwatson        # This file will be left in place until the end of the install.01:30
cjwatson        cat > /target/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00IgnoreTimeConflict << EOT01:30
cjwatsonAcquire::gpgv::Options { "--ignore-time-conflict"; };01:30
cjwatsonEOT01:30
ogracjwatson, it uses --ignore-time-conflict since dapper01:30
ogra(ltsp-build-client that is)01:30
cbx33yeh it's in there01:31
cbx33it exists01:31
cbx33but that's probably why my install failed too01:31
cjwatsonogra: if I were you I'd install an apt.conf.d fragment as above rather than just passing the argument to a single apt-get invocation01:31
ograoh, wait, i think i see the error01:31
cjwatsonogra: we tried the latter approach in d-i and it was too annoying to track down all the apt-get invocations that might call gpgv01:31
ogracjwatson, i only have one 01:32
cjwatsonogra: and besides the ltsp-build-client plugin that tries to do that is obviously broken01:32
cjwatson        chroot $ROOT apt-get update01:32
cjwatson        export APT_GET_OPTS="$APT_GET_OPTS -o Acquire::gpgv::Options::=--ignore-time-conflict"01:32
ograbut for fuiture releases apt.conf.d might make sense01:32
cjwatsonI'm not sure what that's meant to achieve ... :-)01:32
ogracjwatson, yep, right, just discovered that01:32
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ograit was in a different order once and the chrooted line had $APT_GET_OPTS in it01:33
ograsmells like a merge oversight01:34
ogracbx33, change the order of the two lines and make the second one: chroot $ROOT apt-get $APT_GET_OPTS update01:35
ograthen it should work01:35
cbx33well i have changed the time now...i will try it later on01:36
ograi wonder why i never saw it on my ibook, where the clock is wrong on *all* installs 01:37
ograthats a bit strage 01:37
seb128Mithrandir: I've uploaded a gnome-menus update to fix the menus order, if you come to do an another publisher run for whatever reason please accept it, otherwise it can wait for after herd01:44
jwendellseb128, please help me, i have a doubt about debdiff01:46
Mithrandirseb128: cheers.01:46
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seb128jwendell: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc01:47
seb128jwendell: or debdiff old.deb new.deb01:47
jwendellseb128, wow, i was typing my question and you answered! thanks!!!01:47
seb128np01:47
Mithrandiror debdiff old.changes new.changes.01:49
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cbx33ogra: if I have 2 nics setup in the machine, but don't want to use the dhcp server.....what do I have to do to set it up?01:57
cbx33anything special?01:57
ograwhy do you use two nics then ? 01:58
ograjust use one :)01:58
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cbx33ok....will try that01:58
ograand make sure your other dhcpd is configured properly indeed 01:59
cbx33yeh i wrote the book on that :p01:59
cbx33well not quite01:59
ogra;)01:59
jwendellseb128, a bug in gnome-screensaver must be assigned to desktop-bugs, right?02:00
seb128jwendell: no, ogra maintains that package02:00
seb128don't assign it02:01
jwendellok02:01
seb128he's subscribed to the bugs probably02:01
seb128what is the bug number?02:01
jwendellyep02:01
jwendellseb128, just a minute02:01
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cbx33ogra: on edgy....i thought ldm screen said edubuntu02:04
cbx33not ubuntu?02:04
jwendellseb128, ogra, bug 8466202:05
UbugtuMalone bug 84662 in gnome-screensaver "Xnest: ghost mouse" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8466202:05
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ograjwendell, already on my radar for post herd502:16
jwendellogra, thanks02:16
jwendellogra, did you see the debdiff?02:16
ograyep02:16
henoogra: you're still using the gartoon icon set right? (re: winfoss styling)02:17
ograyep02:17
henocool02:17
jwendellogra, did i do something wrong?02:17
ograjwendell, looks fine to me02:17
jwendellogra, i'm just learning, to, someday, become a ubuntu-dev ;)02:18
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seb128jwendell: waouh, that's a gnome-screensaver bug02:24
seb128jwendell: nice catch ;)02:24
jwendelljwendell, it wasn't me, i just made the debdiff02:25
jwendellseb128, but it's really interesting02:25
seb128that bug is annoying me for some time02:26
seb128nice to get it fixed02:26
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ograyep02:26
ograa good strep forward towards ubuntu-dev ;)02:26
ogra*step02:27
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ogracbx33, suedo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork02:28
ogra*sudo indeed02:28
ograit will check the chroots and switch the themes02:28
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Lathiatsome people have far too much time on their hands02:32
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fabbioneMithrandir: impressive.. you made /. with herd 5 main freeze02:57
Mithrandirmust be a slow day.02:57
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MithrandirI could understand a herd release showing up there, but those freezes are quite frequent.02:58
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pittiasac: argh, could firefox please stop telling me that I upgraded to 2.0.0.2? does this affect the stable updates as well?03:00
finalbetapitti: only told me once.03:01
asacits just once03:01
pittiit keeps telling me whenever I log in03:02
asacon feisty?03:03
pittiasac: yes03:03
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asacpitti:  in about:config ... what is set for key browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone ?03:08
pittiasac: rv:1.8.1.203:09
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asaci constantly switch back and force from and to different branches/minor version ... for it always pops up just for first time03:10
asacsounds reasonable03:10
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cjwatsonhttps://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/8727503:11
UbugtuMalone bug 87275 in partman-auto "feisty fawn herd 4 server loops when partitioning disks attempted" [Undecided,Needs info]  03:11
cjwatsonPartitioning method:03:11
cjwatson003:11
cjwatsonGuided - resize cdrom-retriever and use freed space03:11
cjwatson*blink*03:11
cjwatsonhow on earth did cdrom-retriever get there03:12
asacpitti: can you reproduce by simply restarting firefox or just on each login (session auto start)?03:12
pittiasac: hm, merely quitting/restarting DTRT; I'll investigate further and file a bug with some details03:13
asaci think you forcefully shutodwn firefox when log out -> preferences are not persisted03:13
asacand thus your browser.startup.homepage_override.mstone might still have been old?03:13
pittiperhaps03:13
pittiasac: ffox is started with the session for me, and I never bother to close it manually03:14
pittimaybe it even works now, since I manually closed it once now03:14
asacthere is not much we could do about that ... maybe firefox should try to persist preferences if killed?03:14
asacpitti: i would think so03:14
pittiasac: I think it should just restore the previous homepage right after displaying the upgrade one the first time03:15
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asachomepage is not touched03:16
asacits just that if milestone in pref is smaller then actual version, it will open the upgrade notice03:17
cbx33ping ogra, I have some machines that won't tftp boot.  PXE-E32 TFTP open timeout03:17
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asacpitti: if you file a bug, please drop info what signal firefox receives if you just logout ... e.g. SIGTERM?03:20
pittiasac: yep, will do if I can still reproduce it03:20
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iwjpitti: I thought I would do a few main inclusions if you're not busy with the queue right now.03:21
mvo_Mithrandir: could you please accept update-manager 0.57.7? it fixes a couple of issues and earlier versions were blocked by soyuz (and I did not knew aobut this)03:21
asacif its now gone ... set the mstone pref manually to 1.8.1.1 ... then use as you did before (e.g. never quit manually)03:21
pittiiwj: that would be appreciated03:22
pittiasac: ah, nice trick, yes03:22
Mithrandirmvo_: it's not in the queue yet03:22
mvo_Mithrandir: oh, sorry. it should be any minute03:23
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cjwatsonMithrandir: ubiquity 1.3.23 in the queue03:28
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Mithrandircjwatson: ugh, ok.  I just (before I had to go out with the dog for a couple of minutes) started a publisher run for the new u-m.  Oh well.03:39
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bddebianHeya03:41
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cjwatsonMithrandir: sorry, should have mentioned earlier to hold off :-(03:44
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Mithrandirtepsipakki: hmm, is the new xserver-xorg-input-keyboard herd5 critical?03:46
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seb128Mithrandir: no03:48
Mithrandirgood03:48
seb128Mithrandir: I keep uploading xorg updates but they are not for herd03:48
Mithrandirseb128: that's fine; thanks.03:48
cliebowfabbione:i got this monster solaris installing...pulled some memory did the trick03:48
seb128np03:48
seb128Mithrandir: if you still accept updates maybe consider the gnome-menus one? So we don't get a bunch of bugs complaining about the menus order ;)03:49
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seb128hi gismo03:52
gismohello seb128, hello all03:52
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bddebianHello gismo03:53
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Mithrandirseb128: you're aware your gnome-python upload FTBFS?04:09
Mithrandirseb128: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6563637/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.gnome-python_2.17.92-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz04:09
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seb128Mithrandir: need a retry with the xorg-server I've uploaded yesterday evening04:09
Mithrandirseb128: ok.  I'll do that once the new xorg-server is done, then04:10
seb128Mithrandir: xvfb 2:1.2.0-3ubuntu204:10
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seb128Mithrandir: it should be done, cjwatson accepted it like 16 hours ago04:10
Mithrandiroh, ok04:10
seb128I did another update since ;)04:10
Mithrandirgiven-back, then04:11
seb128thanks04:11
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AlinuxOSpitti, hello ;)04:31
pittihi AlinuxOS 04:32
AlinuxOSpitti, how are you ?04:32
pittipretty good, and you?04:32
AlinuxOSpitti, ok me too ;) Testing Feisty04:32
AlinuxOS(translation related testings)04:32
AlinuxOSpitti, here is Mozilla 2.0.2 with no locale package ...is it normal ?04:33
pittiAlinuxOS: feisty doesn't have langpacks yet04:33
AlinuxOSor maybe it's only english for a moment.04:33
AlinuxOSah04:33
AlinuxOS;)04:33
pittiAlinuxOS: ah, no firefox 2.0 translations for Georgian available, sorry04:33
AlinuxOSpitti, understood ;)04:33
pitti(these have nothing to do with language-pack-XX)04:33
AlinuxOSpitti, why so ?04:34
pittiAlinuxOS: well, noone updated the Goergian translatios for 2.004:34
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AlinuxOShttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox-locale-all/+bug/7358104:34
UbugtuMalone bug 73581 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "Providing Firefox 2.0 Georgian (ka) localisation." [Wishlist,Fix released]  04:34
AlinuxOSpitti, http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html  Georgian  is present.04:35
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pittiAlinuxOS: ah, maybe it was added for 2.0.0.204:36
pittiAlinuxOS: I didn't update it since 2.0.0.104:36
AlinuxOSI suppose final realise of Feisty will have 2.0.0.2 Firefox... ;)04:37
AlinuxOSso you could use official translation ;)04:37
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AlinuxOSpitti, I remmember you had a your private langpack repository 04:42
AlinuxOSis feisty supported ?04:43
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pittiAlinuxOS: no, Rosetta doesn't have Feisty translations yet04:44
pittiiwj: *grin*04:44
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docmurhello all04:44
thomiwj: should i even ask what you're doing with SOAP?04:44
pittithom: everyone needs to wash himself occasionally...04:45
AlinuxOSpitti, are you going update mozilla 2.0.2 langpacks in the near future for feisty too ?04:45
thompitti: wash in acid, should they happen to go near WS-* or SOAP...04:45
pittiAlinuxOS: yes, I will; you can file a bug to remind me04:45
AlinuxOSpitti, on wich package ?04:46
AlinuxOSpitti, ;)04:46
pittiAlinuxOS: mozilla-firefox-locale-all04:46
AlinuxOSpitti, ok ;) thank you...and have a nice day !04:46
mooeyis the system -> quit (logout) dialog part of gnome-session?04:48
seb128mooey: yep, why?04:48
mooeyseb128, but 88015 - it freezes - need to direct the reporter to get a backtrace from the right process04:49
mooeybug 88015 even *04:50
UbugtuMalone bug 88015 in linux-source-2.6.20 "shutdown window freezes everytime" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8801504:50
seb128mooey: I closed the gnome-panel task and just commented on that one like one min ago04:50
mooeyweee, just noticed that04:50
mooeytoo fast for me, heh :-)04:50
iwjthom: the main inclusion queue has some Java things in it.04:50
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thomrun! away!04:51
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iwjAs you say.04:51
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iwjAnd I had a headache today before I started on this.04:54
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docmurhello all04:55
docmurI'm trying to find a guide on how to set up a miniboot loader with a mini shell, thats it04:56
docmurI'm starting a project in college to make my own OS04:56
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docmurI can find the guide I saw it like 3 years ago04:56
iwjI think you're probably in the wrong place.  This channel is for people working on the development of Ubuntu.04:57
fabbionecliebow: so removing the ram made the problem go away? even for linux?04:57
docmurwell I don't know where else to go I figured on of you might know 04:57
iwjdocmur: I'm sorry but we're all busy developing Ubuntu.04:57
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superm1ping BenC 04:58
pittiheh, I /msg'ed that guy an URL, that URL seems to have kicked him out04:58
superm1haha04:58
superm1well i'll just shoot him an email if he doesnt come back in the near future04:59
BenCsuperm1: pong04:59
superm1heya BenC , i was wondering if upstream version freeze guidlines were as strict on things like drivers for the kernel.  ivtv 0.9.1 is with feisty, but 0.10.0 was released a few weeks ago and supposedly is a big redesign that is highly recommended05:01
BenCsuperm1: a) File a bug report and I'll prioritize it, or b) (best solution), get a patch against our tree to update it to 0.10.0 source, test build it, and send the diff to kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com05:02
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cliebowfabbione, yes i pulled two of four sticks and the prob went away..it appeared to load fine.but still boots to Solaris..so i must have picked wrong hd05:02
superm1sigh. my only feisty box doesn't have any PCI slots to throw a tuner in, i'll do A for now, unless I can manage to upgrade my box with tuners to feisty this weekend05:03
superm1okay05:03
fabbionecliebow: just change the boot disk in the OBP05:03
jelmer_siretart: hi05:03
cliebowok..ill sort that out then05:03
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cliebowthanks05:04
cliebow05:06
cliebowso setenv boot-device ?05:06
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cliebowbanner05:10
fabbionecliebow: yes.. boot-dev05:10
fabbionefeisty will fix that for you...05:10
fabbionebut dapper and edgy can't05:11
mooeyshould bug 87796 be refiled against evolution data server? the delay seems to occur when the clock is waiting for eds to fire up05:11
UbugtuMalone bug 87796 in gnome-panel "the calendar of the clock applet is slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8779605:11
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seb128mooey: not really05:12
mooeyalright05:12
seb128mooey: it happens also on the first click I think05:12
seb128I've evolution running, I just clicked on the applet and it took one second before opening05:13
seb128and even if starting e-d-s is the problem then gnome-panel should maybe do it in an idle loop so it's ready before clicking 05:13
mooeyhm. i don't get a delay when i've started evo first05:13
seb128it's a low priority bug though05:13
mooeyi can't set bug priorities :p05:13
seb128maybe the delay is shorted and you don't notice it05:14
mooeyi'll confirm it and report it upstream05:14
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mooeyif i dont start evo first the delay is noticible05:14
seb128mooey: thank you05:14
seb128look first if there is already a bug about it05:14
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mooeyof course 05:14
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jdongevince takes a ridiculously long time to start in Feisty05:18
jdongit happened like starting from last week05:19
jdong** (evince:12341): WARNING **: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.05:19
jdong^^ what's it trying to contact?05:19
seb128jdong: looks like a dbus problem on your side05:20
jdongseb128: :( anyway to debug it more?05:20
jdongno other apps seem to complain05:20
jdongjust evince05:20
seb128pitti or slomo might know better05:21
jdongit only happens once at the start of a session05:21
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jdongany subsequent evince runs normally05:21
AlinuxOSHello Devs, I can't see Georgian text files with emacs(or vim) in non X (=terminal mode) mode. Even then in Feisty "console-setup-1.13ubuntu6" has Georgian language support.(Georgian bitmap fonts are present).Cow can I solve this ?05:22
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cliebowfsabbione:  heh: i swapped the two drives..it starts to boot to    05:22
lems1|goneAlinuxOS: did you try #ubuntu?05:22
cliebowgentoolinux///mounting proc at /proc..mount command failed with error..proc already mounted05:22
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AlinuxOSlems1|gone, I'm talking about Feisty, and geo bmp font support is important for debian-installer. 05:24
lemsx1jdong: sounds like a possible problem with /etc/hosts and the caching of resolved names... make sure that 127.0.0.1 is in your /etc/hosts ... that usually slows things down a lot (when it breaks). and if you are running a caching daemon like nscd, stop it05:24
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lemsx1AlinuxOS: at first that sounded like a support question ;-)05:25
AlinuxOSlemsx1, sorry ;)05:25
carlosmvo_: hi, could you confirm whether https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/84349 is a bug with your ddtp scripts?05:27
UbugtuMalone bug 84349 in dict-gcide "E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_feisty_main_i18n_Translation-fr" [Undecided,Confirmed]  05:27
AlinuxOSlemsx1, I'm in contact with console-setup mantainer Anton Zinoviev, he included georgian16.bdf font in later console-setup version... but I can't see georgian letters in terminal mode.05:27
cjwatsonwe included that patch ages ago05:28
cjwatsonAlinuxOS: you might find that running 'sudo setupcon' helps - there's a problem with fresh installs of feisty setting up a broken initramfs that doesn't quite get it right05:29
cjwatson(running that from the console)05:29
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cliebow  r05:30
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AlinuxOScjwatson, ah ok I'll check. Can you tell me which font size is used in a terminal mode by default ?05:31
AlinuxOSconsole-setup supports for the moment only 16 an 14 sizes. (I'm working on remaning sizes).05:31
cjwatsonit depends, iirc05:32
cjwatsoncheck the config script05:32
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AlinuxOSiirc ?05:32
AlinuxOScjwatson, which config script ? (sorry I'm not a developer..I'm just translator...and little bit font designer) :)05:33
cjwatsonconsole-setup.config05:34
mvo_carlos: let me check05:35
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mvo_carlos: that was a bug in the script, but it should be fixed since ~4 weeks or so05:35
AlinuxOScjwatson, I've found that http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kbd-devel/2006-December/000474.html sadly there is no man page :/05:36
AlinuxOScjwatson, ah ok I've found some infos in a config file.05:37
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cjwatsonI mean /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.config05:38
hyakuheiI just saw M.Shuttleworths talk at work. Its awesome, keep up the good work all :-)05:39
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frenkelhyakuhei: which talk? link?05:39
hyakuheifrenkel: Dont have a link to it, It was the talk about where Linux in general is heading, visually it was just many slides with single points on them which he then discussed. Went over the things linux needs to do to be universally accepted05:43
dsas"n big challenges" or something, he turned it into a blog series.05:44
hyakuheiThe only link I can find is : http://computing-colloquia.web.cern.ch/computing-colloquia/upcoming.html#ubu05:44
frenkelah ok05:44
hyakuheiWas fun anyway :-)05:44
frenkelthnx05:44
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hyakuheiThough at one point during some question answering his laptop cut in with some seriously psychedelic swirling colours - I'm pretty sure from that point on he just hypnotised us to think his talk was great whilst he went out for a coffee....05:46
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mvo_doko: is python-bittorrent waiting in NEW? 06:06
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dokomvo_: maybe, didn't look06:12
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cliebowfabbione: still around?06:29
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fabbionecliebow: very busy...06:31
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fabbionecliebow: please just write in /msg and i will answer later06:33
fabbionecliebow: i need to feed my son now and i am not sure how long it will take06:33
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dokowhat do three blinking keyboard LEDs mean, if usplash fails to come up (on amd64)?06:49
zygadoko: kernel panic?06:51
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dholbachAccessibility Team meeting in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting.06:57
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tkamppeterpitti, Mithrandir: ping07:03
Mithrandirtkamppeter: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.07:03
tkamppeterpitti, Mithrandir, it is about the activation of the SNMP backend of CUPS.07:04
tkamppeterI have posted on the ubuntu-devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss lists about that.07:04
tkamppeterOn ubuntu-devel it seems that no one does the moderator task, I never got a message that my posting got accepted or rejected.07:05
tkamppeterOn ubuntu-devel-discuss I got no answer at all.07:05
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pittitkamppeter: hm, no idea;07:08
tkamppeterpitti, Mithrandir: My suggestion is to activate it and to see whether it causes complaints, there is still enough time to de-activate it again if it causes more problems than benefit. Small issues get probably fixed upstream quickly if we get bug reports.07:09
pittithat WFM07:10
tkamppeterpitti, WFM is "works for me"?07:10
pittiit's innocent enough AFAICS, the worst that can happen is that it doesn't work att all07:10
pittiand that's no worse than what we have now07:10
pittitkamppeter: yes; sorry07:11
tkamppeterThat's true if it has a bug and therefore does not detect the FooJet XYZ, the user is in the same situation as with snmp deactivated, but the user whose Paperwaster 1000 is detected will love Ubuntu.07:12
pittitkamppeter: the only thing I'd be concerned about is network packet flooding, but that doesn't seem worse with snmp than with cups browsing07:13
tkamppeterPackage flooding is no big problem as the snmp backend does not run permanently. It runs only 3-4 seconds once during running the add printer wizard of a printer setup tool.07:15
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tkamppeterAnd CUPS' broadcasting runs every 30 sec all the time.07:16
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delirei'm looking at putting Ubuntu onto a number of machines here at UNI. on trying out the Live/InstallCD on the Dell Optiplex workstations I'm responsible for i notice that the X server crashes on init. changing the driver to VESA fixes the problem. would it be possible to have a script for starting X that falls back on vesa in the event that a driver like ati fails? surely one could just pass it to sed and run it a second time with 07:19
delireas you know, many people that say they've tried and left Ubuntu do so because X doesn't start. there are a high percentage of these cases.07:21
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cjwatsondelire: that's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x, unfortunately didn't make it for feisty (actually the design never got finished)07:22
cjwatsondelire: safe mode is our workaround for now, but we would definitely like it to get done07:23
delireahh cool. well it's good to know. 07:24
delirea sys-admin here told me before i tried "Ubuntu doesn't work on Dell's, don't bother - we've already tried" ;)07:24
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cjwatsonunfortunately safe mode was broken in edgy, but it's fixed in feisty07:25
cjwatsonobviously we would also like to have some kind of workflow in there that lets us find out about the machines that are falling back to vesa and fix them eventually07:26
delireyes i was thinking about this too.07:29
delirecjwatson: are you thinking about some sort of user authorized report mechanism? eg sending dmesg Xorg.0.log to a db when the machine is next online?07:31
ograiwj, seeing you do MIRs, please dont bother with the libpam- libnss- ones, i'll redo them soon07:31
cjwatsondelire: dunno :-) I think there are rough notes in the bullet-proof-x page but they haven't been tidied up07:32
cjwatsondelire: gluing it into the apport crash reporting mechanism would be the obvious approach07:32
Robot101ogra: which pam/nss stuff are you adding?07:32
delirerighto well it sounds like you're onto the case. very good to see. 07:33
ograRobot101, libpam-{ldap,mount} and libnss-ldap07:33
cjwatsondelire: I'm not, personally, and nobody is working on this right now07:34
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cjwatsondelire: it is very high on the Canonical distro team's list of things that should get done07:34
cjwatsondelire: but we are still working on hiring an X maintainer so that we stand a chance of realistically doing them07:35
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delireright, well it is such a big showstopper it warrants that kind of commitment.07:35
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seb128ogra: run, *fast* :p07:37
iwjogra: OK, if you want to defer them, put them into the `needs work' section of the queue ?07:37
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ograiwj, oki07:38
iwjThanks.  This is good especially now that there are two of us doing these occasionally.07:38
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ogramoved ....07:41
ograi just didnt want to drop them completely to not forget about them07:41
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tepsipakkidelire: which version of the livecd are you using?07:53
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pochuheno, Mithrandir: I've just mailed you about herd-5 and xubuntu, because a xubuntu tester administrator mailed me this afternoon.08:00
henopochu: ok, thanks08:01
pochuheno: there's also a surprise in the mail ;)08:02
Adri2000Mithrandir: will the sync requests be processed before the end of the week?08:02
henopochu: I didn't get it yet. mails with attachments sometimes get caught in the spam filter08:02
pochuheno: if you don't receive it, tell me. I attached a image08:03
finalbetaOk, feel free to shoot me if I'm out of place. But I have Rhythmbox crashing on my when playing a certain song. apport doesn't come up, no crash log is left in /var/crash and only Segmentation fault is left on the terminal. How do I provide usefull information if I want to make a bug report?08:04
finalbetaOr, just ignore me, that will work 2, hehe08:06
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pochuyeah! I have my @ubuntu account :)08:11
pochuyohooooo08:11
deliretepsipakki: i downloaded an Edgy ISO around 1 week ago.08:13
deliretepsipakki: it doesn't pickup X on any of the Dell workstations using ATI cards (mostly Optiplex).08:14
imbrandonumm i thought we wenrnt doing the compiz/beryl , but now its in -desktop ?08:16
imbrandonwth08:16
pochuimbrandon: yeah, martin updated it, but it's not enabled by default08:17
imbrandonthat still sucks08:18
tepsipakkidelire: ok, you could try feisty herd 5 when it is released later this week08:18
pochuimbrandon: maybe if you have an ati card :P08:18
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j1mcMithrandir: Cody Somerville said I should contact you regarding the status of Xubuntu testing08:19
tepsipakkidelire: but you could file a bug and attach Xorg.0.log to it before that08:20
j1mcMithrandir: he's in the hospital, so I've been taking care of it.  Please see our test results on the wiki.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Current08:20
tepsipakkidelire: if you can get it out from the livecd-session ;)08:21
pochuj1mc: heya :)08:21
pochuj1mc: have you received my mail, about 15 minutes ago?08:21
j1mcpochu: no, not yet08:22
j1mcoh, wait . . . yes08:22
j1mcthanks for your reply08:22
pochuj1mc: np :)08:22
pochuheno: did you received it?08:22
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deliretepsipakki: i should've grabbed that log, but in a rush i've just gone ahead with the installations. 08:23
tepsipakkiwhat have you installed on them?08:24
deliretepsipakki: these Optiplex machines will be used as game/3d development workstations.08:25
tepsipakkiok, wife is grumpy, need to stop :P08:25
delire;)08:25
delirepochu: given that Compiz and ATI don't play well, around half of all laptops capable of running a 3D game won't be able to enjoy a 3D desktop.08:26
pochudelire: yes, but that's because ati drivers, isn't it?08:27
delireof course, but the user doesn't care/know about that. i'm not sure if Compiz should've been the default.08:27
delirealthough it is arguably more stable, when it does work.08:28
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pochudelire: it isn't prepared to be default, but it isn't enabled by default ;)08:29
j1mcpochu: here is the link to our current testing page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Current.08:29
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j1mcyes, I've flip-flopped the Testing & Xubuntu, and will get that corrected after the next herd release.08:30
j1mc:(08:30
pochuj1mc: yeah, I've read it, but we started a different way of testing images ;)08:30
pochuj1mc: oh, that's fine :)08:30
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sladendoko: your kernel has crashed.08:31
delirepochu: for so many users, and for reasons i largely find dubious, a 3D desktop is the difference between Ubuntu being considered as an alternative against Vista and OS X. for this reason i'd probably go with a default that has the highest hit-rate. ATI dominates the portable market and so alot of users will be disappointed with Compiz. nonetheless this is a well-worn conversation and doesn't need to be dragged around again.08:32
j1mcpochu: yeah . . .   i've just now gone back to find some of the info on where you're headed.  with cody being in the hospital, i expected to have revisions, but needed to get something up rather quickly.08:32
pochuj1mc: you have some useful links here:08:33
pochuhttps://launchpad.net/~isotesting08:33
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dokosladen: I did fear that ...08:36
j1mcthanks.  funny how i'm a member of that team.   https://launchpad.net/~jwcampbell  :)08:36
pochuj1mc: yeah, I saw it :)08:36
pochuj1mc: if you have any question, just ask it :-)08:36
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j1mcpochu: thanks.  well, i'm sure we'll be in touch more going forward, but for now my big concern is seeing if there will be a Herd 5 for Xubuntu.08:42
j1mcgiven the amount of effort and testing, I would hate for their not to be a Herd 5.08:43
Mithrandirj1mc: thanks a lot; I'll take a look08:43
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Mithrandirj1mc: if you're in touch with him, send my regards and wishes for him becoming well again.08:44
j1mcMithrandir: thanks!  I've just sent Cody a note, copying what you just wrote.08:46
pochuj1mc: thanks to you for your testing ;)08:46
j1mcnp.  Cody conned me into it.  :)08:46
pochuj1mc: did you received the image I sent within the mail?08:47
j1mcpochu: not yet08:48
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pochuargh! :)08:49
j1mci got the note you sent about an hour ago, though.08:50
pochuI'll sent the mail without the image, at least :)08:51
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mrec_hi guys, what's the best way to get involved with ubuntu development?08:52
mrec_I'd be interested to move my linuxtv project from linuxtv directly to ubuntu08:52
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pochumrec_: you may want to read this:08:55
pochuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment08:55
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j1mcpochu: i need to go, but feel free to be in touch via email.  i did get your email with the attached image.  thanks.09:00
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mrec_kylem: ping09:20
kylempong09:20
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mrec_just read that you're in the ubuntu video team, I have some problems with other linux-dvb developers and I'm now looking for a new home for my project09:22
mrec_maybe developing it directly with ubuntu would be a better way to get forward09:23
kylemoh.09:23
mrec_http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Em288009:23
mrec_it's about that driver here, around 50 new devices09:23
kylemcool.09:23
mrec_I'm sick of having endless discussions with them09:24
kylemwhat do you need?09:24
mrec_can I put that wiki site somewhere onto an ubuntu webserver?09:24
mrec_I'll split it off linuxtv now09:24
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mrec_it's fine to commit that code as a USB driver09:25
mrec_maybe some ubuntu guys are even interested in helping out with that project?09:26
mrec_the site has around 110.000 hits since 1.1.2006 :)09:26
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kylemBenC, ping09:28
mrec_the code is around 8000 lines at the moment09:29
mrec_the problems with the linux-dvb guys is about changing a smaller part of the dvb api to add support for a generic tuner interface09:30
mrec_so that 1 tuner module could be used with dvb or video4linux09:30
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mrec_since this is not possible and nacked by them and another solution didn't get proposed I will quit that community09:31
henopochu: thanks. you have mail09:31
mrec_(I've triggered 2 discussions about that and they end up nowhere as I expected at the beginning)09:31
pochuheno: looking :)09:32
mrec_but I don't want to delay the inclusion of that code another year09:32
kylemok.09:32
mrec_so the em28xx should directly interface the tuner module, and skip the official v4l and dvb tuner interface09:33
mrec_the problem is that tuner is a hybrid tuner for analogue and dvb-t09:33
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mrec_merging parts of the v4l and dvb framework is a nogo for them09:33
mrec_(so that was the background information)09:34
kylemfrom the sounds of it, there seems to be demand for this... we should probably be including this driver.09:38
BenCkylem: yo09:39
pochuheno: looks promising ;)09:40
BenCmrec_: We have a git tree (wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam is where you'll get all our info)09:40
mrec_I'm interested to join the ubuntu team to help improving it :) if interested09:40
henopochu: feel free to hack on it :)09:40
BenCmrec_: If you can work from the git tree, we can pull directly from you09:40
pochuheno: I'll try :)09:40
mrec_BenC: sure I can09:41
pochuheno: do you know what Mithrandir has been doing? just to not duplicate efforts09:41
pochuMithrandir: ^09:41
Mithrandirpochu: my approach is to store as much as possible in LP09:42
BenCmrec_: Are you worried that doing it this way will keep the driver from getting into upstream kernel?09:42
mrec_BenC: I'm in contact with Greg KH as I wrote, I know what I have to do to get it into upstream kernel. I just ran into wrong directions by thinking I could work with linuxtv guys09:43
mrec_the video4linux maintainer would accept my changes, but dvb maintainers are hell against it09:43
mrec_and discussions are over now with them.09:44
pochuMithrandir: sure. What I've been thinking is to make a page with the current state of each image, and links to them, so we can see in a moment which ones haven't been tested, or which need another try...09:44
Mithrandirpochu: yes, that's the goal.09:44
Adri2000Mithrandir: will the sync requests be processed before the end of the week?09:44
pochuMithrandir: but the reports would go to LP, and the status field in the LP report would be the status in the page09:44
pochu(IMHO)09:45
pochuas heno wrote in the wiki :P09:45
MithrandirAdri2000: I don't see why not.09:45
BenCmrec_: Excellent, because the ultimate goal would be to get it to that point. I look forward to the first pull of your driver :)09:45
BenCmrec_: Note, we're about to freeze the kernel, so the sooner the better09:45
mrec_I could do some amd64 too, since I work for AMD :)09:45
Mithrandirpochu: yes, but I'd also want to grab the list of subscribers and their comments from LP.09:46
Adri2000Mithrandir: ok :)09:46
BenCmrec_: Oooh, then maybe you can get AMD to be more Linux friendly :)09:46
mrec_BenC: let's see what the future will bring up09:47
mrec_that driver is a private project though09:47
pochuMithrandir: do you mean to show them in the 'overview page'?09:47
BenCmrec_: Right, understood09:48
Mithrandirpochu: yes.09:48
BenCmrec_: For future discussion on this, #ubuntu-kernel may be more suited09:48
pochuok :)09:48
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BenCmrec_: kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com for discussion and patch submission/git-pull request09:48
BenCmrec_: We take patches on the same basis as you would do for Linus09:49
mrec_fine :)09:50
mrec_BenC: so I'll try to migrate my driver during this weekend, the code should be available within a few days then.09:50
BenCmrec_: sounds good09:51
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psusiwhat's the argument again for not having the livecd mount hard disks?09:57
jdongpsusi: automatically without asking, or not having the ability to instruct Ubuntu to mount it after bootup?09:58
psusithe other day I found that with the dapper livecd, if you right click on a hard disk in gnome and choose mount, it says pmount failed... clearly this is not acceptable, but it seems it is intended that pmount not auto moun hard disks09:58
jdongI personally would not like a livecd implicitly mount without my permission09:58
jdongbut as far as the behavior you describe, I'd call it a bug.09:59
psusiwhy?09:59
psusiwould an acceptable solution then be to have pmount accept hard disks, but have hal not try to auto mount them?  thus the gnome mount option would work manually?09:59
psusior what if it only auto mounts them read only?09:59
jdongpsusi: what if my volume was badly damaged to the point where mounting it causes a kernel oops10:00
jdongand that's happened to me before10:00
jdongread-only is better10:00
psusithen that's a bug in the kernel and should be fixed ;)10:00
jdongbut read-only is not 100% read only either.10:00
psusithat is another bug that needs fixed...10:00
jdongi.e. some filesystems execute journal recovery anyway10:00
jdongwell, you go fix that10:00
jdongthen I'll agree to mounting read-only10:01
psusihehe ;)10:01
jdong</ubuntu attitude>10:01
jdongactually...10:01
psusiwell, you do agree that it should moun when you tell it too right?10:01
jdongabsolutely.10:01
jdongthat's agreed10:01
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mrec_BenC: what's the best place to move the documentation to?10:01
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psusiiirc, it is gnome-volume-manager that calls pmount... it should just not do that for hard disks automatically, but if pmount is called at the user's request, then it should not refuse to mount hard disks.... make sense?10:02
Mithrandirpsusi: g-v-m doesn't use pmount any more.10:03
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psusiohh?  it directly mounts itself?10:03
Mithrandirit uses some hal methods for doing it, AIUI.10:04
jdonghas seb128 already finished serving his archive day today? :(10:06
seb128jdong: no, I didn't do lot though, I'm not sure what I can do during a freeze10:06
seb128jdong: what do you need?10:06
jdongseb128: can you do all the in progress backports?10:06
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seb128ah, I can have a look at that, right10:06
jdongit's been... a month since an archive manager has paid any attention to it10:07
jdongthanks, I really appreciate it10:07
seb128I never done them, need to look what has to be done there first ;)10:07
Mithrandirjdong: "already"?  It's after 22:00, even seb needs to sleep once in a while.10:08
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jdongMithrandir: I'm sorry, I didn't know what timezone you guys are all in10:08
seb128archive team is to european time10:09
jdongok10:09
jdongif you don't want to deal with it, that's fine10:09
seb128jdong: I'll probably have a look tomorrow rather than tonight10:10
jdongok10:10
jdonggood night10:10
seb128'night10:11
Mithrandirjdong: np. :-)10:12
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mdkefabbione: ubuntu-serverguide is in the archive. Can you include it in the server installation and maybe have a think about some potential ways to make users aware of its presence?10:29
BenCmrec_: Documentation/ is good10:32
mrec_BenC: hmm, I put it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/em28xx, would be nice if you could move it10:35
BenCmrec_: Oh, that's fine too10:36
pochumrec_: have you thought in making subpages, to not make the page so long?10:37
pochuI think then it will look better :)10:37
mdkehow long does it take for mail to ubuntu-devel to be moderated nowadays? are there a good few moderators? or is it faster to write to -discuss for getting to the developers' attention?10:39
LaserJockit could take a little bit, I'm really not sure10:39
mdkei see waves of email coming into that list every now and again, so I have the impression the moderation isn't perhaps as frequent as it should be10:40
mdkeI don't understand the distinction with the two mailing lists anyway, I'll use -discuss10:40
mvomdke: have you seens that #74555 is now verification-done?10:41
mdkemvo: yeah thanks a lot! I've passed it onto dholbach for uploading10:42
mdke:)10:42
mvomdke: cool, thanks 10:42
mrec_pochu: feel free to change it :)10:43
mdkemvo: since you're here - do you know who is in charge of implementing the easy installation of binary drivers that mdz mentioned in his recent announcement?10:44
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mvomdke: originailly that was assigned to me, but then scott took it over11:14
mdzmdke: I believe pitti is working on it11:22
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