[12:17] <LaserJock> h4writer: well, I honestly wouldn't count on it all being done for Feisty
[12:17] <LaserJock> depending on how things go
[12:18] <h4writer> And the first two?
[12:18] <tonyyarusso> the help center stuff?
[12:18] <h4writer> the other I don't care it is done after fiesty
[12:18] <h4writer> tonyyarusso: yes
[12:19] <tonyyarusso> ah
[12:20] <LaserJock> we've carefully gone over the yelp frontpage and have a yelp developer that is helping us
[12:20] <LaserJock> it'll probably take some discussion
[12:21] <h4writer> do you mean mkde? Or somebody else?
[12:21] <LaserJock> no, somebody else
[12:21] <dsas> h4writer: Don Scorgie I think.
[12:21] <h4writer> okey
[12:21] <LaserJock> mdke and Don do the yelp front page mostly
[12:22] <h4writer> uhu
[12:24] <h4writer> yesterday mdke was online at about this hour. That's why I'm waiting a bit to go to sleep. Hoping to catch him.
[12:25] <tonyyarusso>  /whois mdke
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> nvm me - was trying to check
[12:26] <h4writer> yes, I tried it a time ago to
[03:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3876 edubuntu/Makefile: fixed Edubuntu makefile
[03:18] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3877 edubuntu/Makefile: fixed type on makefile
[03:40] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[03:40] <jjesse> hiya
[03:40] <jjesse> i'm so far behind
[03:40] <jjesse> was !internet in training class
[03:40] <nixternal> LaserJock: the package so build this time, forgot the silly common/
[03:40] <nixternal> eww, no intarweb stinks
[03:40] <jjesse> in training class all day
[03:41] <LaserJock> nixternal: what?
[03:42] <nixternal> silly typos by me in rules
[03:43] <nixternal> like this one
[03:43] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3878 edubuntu/debian/rules: silly typo
[03:55] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty-package/
[03:57] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i owe you some work, i have been busy all day. I'll get it to you soon
[03:58] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, i fixed my "orphaned module" error, so I'll get the User Management stuff to you as well
[04:06] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: check mail
[04:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: we need to have eubuntu-docs depends on ubuntu-docs right?
[04:20] <LaserJock_> nixternal: did you get my message
[04:53] <LaserJock_> nixternal: alive?
[05:23] <nixternal> I am alive now
[05:23] <nixternal> watched the Bob Woodward special and made sure my mayor won re-election
[05:23] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: he won?
[05:23] <nixternal> of course
[05:24] <nixternal> landslide like always
[05:24] <nixternal> 70%+
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, well not with my vote
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> the other 30% was dead people in DuPage country
[05:24] <nixternal> LaserJock: are we going to make edubuntu-docs depend on ubuntu-docs then? if so I can fix that really quick
[05:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: I assume so
[05:25] <LaserJock> nixternal: I think the desription might also need to be updated to reflect that we aren't shipping HTML
[05:26] <nixternal> roger
[05:26] <nixternal> anything else b4 I rebuild?
[05:27] <nixternal> should I put this on revu or keep doing it the way I have and put it on my server
[05:27] <LaserJock> on the server is just fine
[05:27] <nixternal> roger
[05:27] <LaserJock> I don't like using REVU for non-NEW stuf
[05:27] <nixternal> let me rebuild really quick
[05:27] <LaserJock> *stuff
[05:27] <nixternal> hehe, k
[05:28] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3879 edubuntu/debian/control: fixing control to depend on ubuntu-docs and remove the html info from the description
[05:30] <nixternal> test building it now
[05:35] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty-package/
[05:42] <LaserJock> nixternal: I'me getting lots of errors
[05:42] <nixternal> ey?
[05:43] <nixternal> what kind of errors?
[05:43] <LaserJock> handbook/C/contribute.xml:9: warning: failed to load external entity "../ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent"
[05:43] <LaserJock> %gnome-menus-C;
[05:43] <nixternal> shoot
[05:43] <nixternal> one sec
[05:43] <LaserJock> has putting them in edubuntu/ messed up the Ubuntu ents ?
[05:45] <nixternal> no
[05:45] <nixternal> err
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: i haven't got feedback to you yet. is the doc work good so far?
[05:46] <nixternal> no it hasn't LaserJock, I just didn't have ubuntu/libs in the package
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> s/yet/since the first time
[05:47] <LaserJock> oh
[05:47] <LaserJock> well, you shouldn't have them in there
[05:55] <nixternal> LaserJock: I somehow blew away the libs/ dir earlier for some reason
[05:55] <nixternal> well ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent needs to be in there as a minimum
[05:55] <nixternal> and that is what I did this time around
[05:55] <nixternal> LaserJock: check my directory now
[05:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: ok, hang on though
[05:56] <LaserJock> those are installed by ubuntu-docs
[05:57] <LaserJock> we can't install files that are going to be install by ubuntu-docs
[05:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: that ent is just used to build the package
[05:58] <nixternal> it isn't installed locally to the machine
[05:58] <nixternal> oh wait, it is
[05:58] <LaserJock> it shouldn' t if you made the install file changes
[05:58] <nixternal> I did make the changes
[05:59] <nixternal> they go to edubuntu/libs/ now
[05:59] <nixternal> but for gnome-menu-C that is in ubuntu/libs and not trunk/libs
[05:59] <nixternal> but you know what, I don't have it copying over the ubuntu/libs or the libs/ though
[06:00] <nixternal> the us.archives are garbage
[06:01] <nixternal> LaserJock: this is goofy
[06:01] <nixternal> KDE FTW! :)
[06:02] <nixternal> LaserJock: the ubuntu-docs package slings the ent files everywhere as well
[06:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: it will work!!!!
[06:03] <nixternal> actually, the ubuntu-docs package is retarded
[06:03] <LaserJock> nixternal: yes, I'm just saying we can't be slinging the same files
[06:04] <LaserJock> what I had should work
[06:04] <nixternal> LaserJock: in the package I just created, the only /libs slung were the edubuntu ones and they went into gnome/help/edubuntu/libs
[06:05] <nixternal> why on earth am I using the Makefile then in Edubuntu docs if I am not building the HTML?
[06:05] <LaserJock> why are you?
[06:05] <LaserJock> I don't think you are
[06:05] <nixternal> all that needs to be done is cp edubuntu/$$doc/C/*.xml to the proper
[06:05] <nixternal> location
[06:05] <nixternal> the Makefile builds HTML
[06:05] <nixternal> so this stupid package I did, builds HTML into the build/ and does nothing with it
[06:06] <nixternal> this is e.tarded
[06:06] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:06] <nixternal> I am glad you are laughing :)
[06:07] <nixternal> man, take a look at the ubuntu-docs.install in the ubuntu-docs package
[06:07] <nixternal> there is no way that is correct
[06:07] <nixternal> *ent is put everywhere but /etc I think
[06:08] <LaserJock> I know
[06:08] <nixternal> LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7894/
[06:08] <nixternal> that is horsepoop
[06:08] <LaserJock> I said that's leftovers form when we were building HTML
[06:09] <LaserJock> that's why I gave you 1 line
[06:09] <nixternal> heh, and that is great
[06:09] <nixternal> but guess what, once you install the package, the docs aren't going to work
[06:09] <LaserJock> why?
[06:09] <nixternal> because the headers in each .xml file points to ../../../libs/blah and ../../../ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent
[06:09] <LaserJock> I believe they are there though
[06:10] <LaserJock> in ubuntu-docs
[06:10] <LaserJock> hence all the flinging
[06:10] <nixternal> dude, I don't want to hear it :)
[06:10] <LaserJock> we might be off by one becuase of the edubuntu/ thing
[06:10] <nixternal> after I stepped back and did the ../ and then ../ and then ../ I realized it will :)
[06:10] <LaserJock> but if you count the ../'s I think it might come out ok
[06:11] <nixternal> we won't be off because the the third ../ takes us out of edubuntu
[06:11] <nixternal> that is where I was getting confused
[06:11] <nixternal> the only problem though is still with the ../../../ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent
[06:11] <nixternal> there is no ../../../ubuntu
[06:11] <LaserJock> you sure?
[06:11] <nixternal> it is ../../../ubuntu-docs
[06:15] <nixternal> LaserJock: is it plausable to change the gnome-menus in the each xml just for the package to ubuntu-docs instead?
[06:15] <nixternal> but that is going to cause build issue
[06:15] <LaserJock> there's nothing to build!
[06:16] <nixternal> the package will have the entity error though
[06:16] <nixternal> building the package that is
[06:16] <LaserJock> maybe that's ok
[06:16] <nixternal> should we give that a try?
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:16] <LaserJock> seems like it's going to have issues regardless
[06:17] <LaserJock> because we are relying on ubuntu-docs
[06:17] <nixternal> that is rather hackish, and I would definitely put a README in debian/ explaining that
[06:17] <nixternal> we have already created the depends on ubuntu-docs
[06:17] <LaserJock> what in the build is complaining? scrollkeeper?
[06:18] <nixternal> I didn't see any scrollkeeper complaints. remember you just seen the entity errors during pbuilder
[06:18] <LaserJock> but nothing should be built
[06:18] <nixternal> you are right, I need to kill that Makefile
[06:18] <nixternal> that Makefile is giving us our errors
[06:18] <nixternal> man, I am used to building Kubuntu docs man
[06:18] <nixternal> and that is fixing as well next release
[06:19] <nixternal> I am changing all Kubuntu docs from .xml to .docbook and creating the cache.tar.gz and doing it like KDE
[06:21] <mpt> Has the simplified Help menu access been implemented yet in Feisty?
[06:21] <LaserJock> how simplified?
[06:21] <LaserJock> I can't remember what it's supposed to be
[06:23] <mpt> As in, not a submenu any more
[06:24] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpAndSupportAccess
[06:25] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3880 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: clarification
[06:27] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3881 edubuntu/Makefile: no building html for edubuntu-docs package
[06:49] <poningru> https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html
[06:50] <poningru> To activate DVD decryption, type the following line into a terminal prompt:
[06:50] <poningru> -- sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[06:50] <poningru> ++ sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:13] <LaserJock> mpt: yes, it has been implemented
[07:17] <mpt> LaserJock, awesome
[09:06] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:06] <mdke> hiya
[09:06] <mdke> how is everything going?
[09:10] <LaserJock> oh, decently well
[09:10] <LaserJock> and you?
[09:11] <LaserJock> mdke: you see the email from the forums guy wanting to redo the front page look?
[09:11] <mdke> yes, he mailed me privately first and I told him to mail the list
[09:13] <LaserJock> he was in here again today waiting for you
[09:13] <mdke> right
[09:15] <mdke> seems enthusiastic, any thoughts on his email?
[09:22] <LaserJock> well, I sort of think he needs to look at what we've got in Feisty already
[09:23] <LaserJock> I kinda like the little search bar in the sidbar
[09:23] <LaserJock> but it's kinda redundant with the search bar at the top
[09:24] <mdke> well, he removes the one at the top: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26035&d=1172327793
[09:24] <mdke> but yeah, he needs to work with the feisty code
[09:26] <LaserJock> it's more control-centerish
[09:27] <LaserJock> but like I told him today, we are quite far in the Feisty schedule to be starting this now
[09:29] <mdke> yeah
[09:29] <mpt> Control Center is not a good example to be starting from :-(
[09:30] <mdke> mpt: will you have a look at his mockups and give him some feedback? I wouldn't like him to get discouraged, even if he is working at the wrong time in the release cylce
[09:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:30] <LaserJock> I think we could use his enthusiasm for sure
[09:30] <mpt> mdke, sure
[09:30] <LaserJock> he's gotten in there and tweaked stuff
[09:30] <mdke> LaserJock: quite - the layout is not great atm
[09:31] <mdke> mpt: thanks
[09:33] <mdke> not long before string freeze now, we need to go over the docs and try and make sure there are no hideous gaps
[09:34] <LaserJock> well, I just loaded up yelp
[09:34] <LaserJock> and I can't access the man and info pages
[09:34] <LaserJock> when I click on them in the Advanced Topics it's a blank page
[09:37] <mpt> ok, docs-hacking time
[09:42] <mdke> LaserJock: confirmed.
[09:43] <LaserJock> k, it's always nice to know it's not just me
[09:45] <mdke> I think I know the reason
[09:47] <mdke> ok, off to work
[09:51] <mpt> mdke, why would he have said "I'm now using feisty, but the .xslt file isn't change"
[11:16] <mpt> ah, it was because I'd not only svn rm-ed something, I'd also rm-ed it
[11:16] <mpt> so svn silently sulked
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88615 in xubuntu-meta (main) "Default Firefox homepage in Xubuntu 6.10 says 'Xubuntu 6.06' (dup-of: 67966)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88615
[07:53] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3882 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: modem info (adsl, usb, and dialup) information added - ready for review
[08:15] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3883 kubuntu/ (hardware/C/hardware.xml libs/kde-menus-C.ent): added keycombo for ctrl-alt-backspace and added hardware content - ati and nvidia driver installation info still needed
[11:14] <h4writer> hi everybody, I'm getting some problems when I try to build yelp. When I run fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage, it stops with the error:
[11:14] <h4writer> dpkg-source -b yelp-2.16.2
[11:14] <h4writer> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> h4writer: You need an @ubuntu.com address in the Maintainer field of debian/control
[11:15] <h4writer> but I've got no @ubuntu.com address
[11:16] <tonyyarusso> You'll need a team one or something then - I'm not quite sure how those work
[11:24] <h4writer> I don't know it either:p
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> ^^ he might
[11:26] <h4writer> I'm now trying with autogen.sh
[11:26] <h4writer> that will probably work;-)
[11:29] <h4writer> tonyyarusso: I went to the #ubuntuforums channel a time ago and they said something of
[11:29] <h4writer> (11:20:42 PM) tsmithe: h4writer, you need "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com" as Maintainer
[11:29] <h4writer> (11:20:50 PM) tsmithe: and yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[11:29] <h4writer> and I didn't know what it means so I stopped searching. If I need to know I will know in the future:p
[11:30] <tonyyarusso> h4writer: That's along the write lines at least.  However, yelp is in main, so ubuntu-motu would seem a bit out of place.
[11:32] <h4writer> autogen.sh definitly worked, but I don't got the newest yelp. So I think you need to put in a certain way the .diff file in the source. Am I correct?
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure about applying changes yet - I'm still working on making the initial package myself.
[11:37] <h4writer> I think I've applied the .diff correctly
[11:37] <h4writer> it's now building again
[11:38] <LaserJock> h4writer: you could just make up an @ubuntu.com address if you're just testing
[11:40] <h4writer> and where do I need to specify?
[11:53] <LaserJock> h4writer: the Maintainer: field
[11:53] <LaserJock> in debian/control
[11:53] <LaserJock> mdke: around?
[11:54] <LaserJock> mdke: the server guide and packaging guide are built as html. but there's currently no provision in the packages to make it easy to read them
[11:55] <LaserJock> mdke: i.e. you have to open up /usr/share/ubuntu-serverguide/html/C/index.html in a browser
[12:06] <h4writer> mpt_, I can make your request. I know python and gtk, so here it is c and gtk. So I can read a half;-)